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July 20, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-173

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

Of interest:

We Volunteered at a Gaza Hospital. What We Saw Was Unspeakable.Politico

Comments

@ Arch Bungle @ 190:
Thank you for the Scott Ritter video; very powerful – and interesting how he had gamed out the likely Israeli actions going forward.
One statistic that never leaves my mind was given in a statement from UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini on July 9 this year: At least 10 children lose a limb every day in Gaza due to the continuing Israeli aggression.
I just cannot deal with the idea that this is allowed to continue. It’s too much to bear.

Posted by: teri | Jul 22 2024 16:54 utc | 201

DunGroanin | Jul 20 2024 18:47 utc | 74
It was a serious request thank you for your response. Yes I agree. We are all connected here. We are legion.
I wonder what titmouse makes of my theories that we are intimately connected to our Watchers and enemies that lurk here. You speak to them as well. My point in all of that is that we all agree on many things. I generally see people where their survival depends on keeping their mouth shut. Those people are enemies by circumstance and not by ideology. As such they are not my enemy. In fact, they could be allies.
Never shoot the piano player.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 16:56 utc | 202

“Essentially a slow burn strategy”
Posted by: Exile | Jul 21 2024 19:30 utc | 152
Hmmmmm. It will work.
I think they need to (either).
4) Show and build AD (air defense).
5) Ruin those 2 airports.
As I understand it, taking those steps are part of the escalation ladder. They would occur if war broke out.
Together with:
6) Ruin all Haifa infrastructure.
7) Destroy Haifa. Pop. 290K.
8) Take back the Golan Heights.
How much of this is correct and how much is missing?

Posted by: David G HorsmanDavid | Jul 22 2024 17:09 utc | 203

QUOTE
…. So what’s Hezbollah’s strategy moving forward? Events are fast paced…..
A multi-year war of attrition –
1) keep the 10-30km safe zone south of the Lebanese border safe and settler free
2) expand the underground fortress
3) tie down more than 100,000 IDF ground forces
Essentially a slow burn strategy
Posted by: Exile | Jul 21 2024 19:30 utc | 152

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:11 utc | 204

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalmeh, specialist and translator in the Hebrew media
“Israeli Public Radio:
The Knesset approves in the first reading three draft laws against UNRWA, under which the agency will be declared a terrorist organization, and its activities in Israel will be stopped.”
Tactical/strategic observation by Youssef Fares
https://t.me/youseffares19/42793
then via link there then translate – all the %r4t etc. are code for the Arabic text the link contains (which is probably why the first attempt at this post was eaten)
Re. is whole US population guilty ?
US weapons are knowingly supplied to be used indiscriminately on the whole Palestinian population.
So yes, by US own metric.
I don’t think of it like that, for the reasons argued somewhere above. However, if US turned on its own population this way, they would almost ALL ‘complain’.
So, enough of that self centered hypocrisy.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 22 2024 17:12 utc | 205

So in an Ideal World it seems that Hezbollah needs. to double the death of that safe Zone. I’m saying that based upon a range of motor fire.
I understand that there are some political problems around it but they need to force the evacuation of that Northern City close to Syria as well.
Syria needs to take the Golan heights back. Also, the several resistance groups in Iraq need to end their cease fire and do everything they can to Hammer American bases.
I have the vague impression that the lack of explosion on the resistance side is because resources. Not Hezbollah but the other groups.
This is the exact right time to humiliate Israel just after Benny is making hhis speech. In response to whatever the Americans predictably do.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:21 utc | 206

I just cannot deal with the idea that this is allowed to continue. It’s too much to bear.
Posted by: teri | Jul 22 2024 16:54 utc | 201
This will have civilisational impact for the next thousand years, if not more.
It represents the complete collapse of the facade of Western “Moral Authority”.
Because our rulers are corrupt and debased they haven’t yet grasped its import.
By the time they all realise what was lost (i.e the facade) it will be far too late.

The passing of this illusion would be a grand thing but for this fact:
It required the blood of children.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 22 2024 17:25 utc | 207

I think that every 100th missile that is launched by Hezbollah should include those little paper message pamphlets addressed to these trespassing settlers.
If it was me I would get Arch to write it and then have somebody else translate it into Hebrew. I don’t think it should take the typical kindly tone.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:26 utc | 208

Maybe you could mix up the messages a little bit. Kind of like Fortune cookies.
It was my idea, I want mine to say “Get the fuck out Zionist.” Short and sweet.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:28 utc | 209

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:28 utc | 209
I will work on it in my copious amounts of free time.
Happy to add an attributive footnote in the margins.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 22 2024 17:34 utc | 210

Posted by: Exile | Jul 21 2024 19:30 utc | 152
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:11 utc | 204
9) Make extensive use of mines where needed. Aerial dispersed.
10) (of course) continue development of mortar, missile and drone technology.
11) However we have seen signals of increased assistance it means key Technologies from Iran and Russia

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:40 utc | 211

The destruction of this Zionist illusion would be a grand thing but for this fact:
It required the blood of children.
Leave while you still can.

[Sample pamphlet to the dropped on Israeli citizens based on a post by:]
Arch Bungle | Jul 22 2024 17:25 utc | 207

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:48 utc | 212

I will work on it in my copious amounts of free time.
Happy to add an attributive footnote in the margins.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 22 2024 17:34 utc | 210
I think what would benefit the resistant to most is suggestions from our community employment a better train military. So that’s not my purview.
But I am a strategic analyst with a focus on social media. I have an interest in how to amplify a signal. Metaphorically speaking. I apply unconventional tactics.
By the way, the rain could also do this. The subtext is that it is actually a show of Force, Beyond being propaganda.
So if you do it once it is a headline grabber. How much depends on the number of factors; some of which you don’t have control over.
Now, do it every week or every day and that’s a different animal. Countdown to the day when it changes to real missiles and deadly attacks. We’re talking psychological warfare now.
It’s a great way to permanently empty a neighborhood arch. Why I think the two of us should get together and start helping the land registry find rightful owners.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 18:00 utc | 213

Damn it I didn’t proofread the first paragraph. Sorry again everyone.
I think what would benefit the resistant the most is suggestions from our community members better trained military. So that’s not my purview.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 18:02 utc | 214

Omg
the rain=Iran could also do this. That is Bomb Israel with message pamphlets.
AI is going to take over any day now huh?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 18:05 utc | 215

@212
Short and sweet (and psyop)
“Keep Palestine clean”

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 22 2024 18:08 utc | 216

Syria needs to take the Golan heights back.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:21 utc | 206
When, better say if, RF lends a hand it’s for the kill.
Golem heights control a lot of the water that gets to israel
Karma if they ended up being the ones whose water was cut off…

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 22 2024 18:26 utc | 217

@213 me: “But I am a strategic analyst with a focus on social media. I have an interest in how to amplify a signal. Metaphorically speaking. I apply unconventional tactics.”
I hope it’s clear I have never been here doing that. In addition. It’s in a project requirement that I probably screaming transparent about my own ideology and views. Mores and values and all that.
However I am happy to make suggestions. 😉
Campaigns always require some minimal amount of money. Any kind of organizing does.
And in my view you need a core of dedicated and even motivated people.
Using MoA as an example, You have the later. Typically, there is money but nobody would donate to that.
That what? Political organization? Think yank? PAC? Non-profit probably. NGO.
The Sisterhood. I could make that work.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 18:29 utc | 218

“Golem heights control a lot of the water that gets to israel”
Karma if they ended up being the ones whose water was cut off…
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 22 2024 18:26 utc | 217
Yes that is exactly what I heard. It would be an understatement to call it a Target which area. All the way down to the lake. There’s a great deal of infrastructure.
There’s no scenario where everything doesn’t get flattened anyways. So a goal of taking out the military base and denying access to the rest of the area will be a key strategies objective.
Their current tactics of using known and missile attacks, Exile a attrition Warfare, does seem like the right path.
From what I can see it’s the most important and immediate territory to take. But cool patient about it sounds like the way to go. Ambiguity.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 18:40 utc | 219

Did this IDF officer get Fraged ?
….Monday, July 22, 6:30 pm (GMT+2)
ISRAELI ARMY: The Israeli occupation army announced the death of an officer in a hand grenade explosion in the Gaza Strip and said that the military police had opened an investigation….
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/gaza-live-blog-israel-reinvades-khan-yunis-netanyahu-biden-meeting-may-be-cancelled-massacres-in-deir-al-balah-al-zaytoun/

Posted by: Exile | Jul 22 2024 19:21 utc | 220

The Palestine Chronicle posted today this tweet by Yousef H. Alshammari:
‘The zionists are attacking Khan Younis right now…damn this world, all who’ve let this genocide continue nonstop and damn all the powers holding us back from expelling forever this imperial death machine.’
PLEASE go to his twitter/x account and read it. I read his older posts, as I have no x account.
My blood froze.
We have NO idea what the people of Gaza are going through.
https://x.com/YousefWryRonin/status/1815341626317009316?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1815341626317009316%7Ctwgr%5Ed5277cf8848b593e0e81e101f641d72e9705f7da%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.palestinechronicle.com%2Fgaza-live-blog-israel-reinvades-khan-yunis-netanyahu-biden-meeting-may-be-cancelled-massacres-in-deir-al-balah-al-zaytoun%2F

Posted by: JB | Jul 22 2024 20:17 utc | 221

When, better say if, RF lends a hand
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 22 2024 18:26 utc | 217
They can’t do it and RF won’t get involved. Also RF has their own unsolved occupation/invasion problem at home. They’re so “good” that they’ve turned themselves into Syria

Posted by: rk | Jul 22 2024 20:21 utc | 222

SBUX starbucks stock is still in a tremendous slide, while the rest of the stock market parties.
It’s not so much Americans boycotting, but Arabs in the middle East boycotting, combined with competition in China from fast growing and cheaper coffee chains, Luckin and Cotti.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 22 2024 20:22 utc | 223

They’re so “good” that they’ve turned themselves into Syria
Posted by: rk | Jul 22 2024 20:21 utc | 222
Stupid.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 22 2024 20:38 utc | 224

Information leaked from both Izr (https://www.ynetnews.com/article/r1f5kqc00c) & Greek sources (in Greek, so use an online translator > https://www.kathimerini.gr/world/563137264/pos-egine-i-epidromi-ton-israilinon-stin-yemeni-i-prova-poy-eiche-proigithei-stin-kriti/) explicitly state that the Izr attack on Yemen was rehearsed in Greek FIR south of Crete last May, almost two months ago.
What a shame for Greece, once EU’s most prominent supporter of the Palestinian cause (not forgetting the August 1982 evacuation of PLO’s leader Yasser Arafat, his guards & a big number of Fatah officers & fighters from besieged Beirut onboard Greek ships, an operation approved by the then-Greek socialist PM Andreas Papandreou who welcomed Arafat in Athens on his way to Tunis and gave a scathing joint interview condemning the Israeli atrocities in Palestine & Lebanon), now a bankrupt vassal state rapidly becoming a mere supporting part of the genocidal entity (not unlike Cyprus).

Posted by: Memory Man | Jul 22 2024 21:03 utc | 225

Shoah Aza continues but many idiot comments call for Genocide as a plan to stop Genocide.
The problem is not all Israeli, lots of idiots on all sides getting free money for race war.
First reasonable step – alienate the Israeli Ruling Coalition.
That means Bibi, Ben Gvir, and Smotrich and their supporting cast of racists need to be punished financially and socially.
Threatening all Jews is supporting the Ruling Coalition

Posted by: Polli | Jul 22 2024 21:35 utc | 226

@226
I didn’t see anyone calling for genocide, even cryptically.
If that is what you read into a comment of mine it would be a real stretch from “You either leave propaganda distributed, or if you bin it then you are recognising Palestine”
I don’t have to remind that those in Gaza are subjected to a genocide that they could not escape if they wanted to. Those in “Israel” are free to leave at any time, even if it is to escape only their own rulers. If they collectively decided to do that, there would not be the genocide occuring in Gaza either. The same might occur but only while under fire, which I would imagine is also being arranged by some.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 22 2024 22:06 utc | 227

The crusader kingdoms in the Middle East folded, because the military cost outweighed the economic benefits.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 20 2024 20:38 utc | 82

Interesting. Intruiging. Can someone elaborate on the strategic calculations behind this campaign? I’d much apprecciate.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 22 2024 22:52 utc | 228

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Posted by: persiflo | Jul 22 2024 22:53 utc | 229

/alights
/cheep cheep
One of the funnier political ripostes I’ve heard these past few months was in regards to whether USA controls Israel, or Israel controls USA. It was in reply to “USA controls Israel, it’s its colony, Israel is merely its 51st state!” Riposte was, “Can’t be! Otherwise Israel would only have influence on two Senators and a few Congressmen!” ^o^ Ha ha ha!
There’s also that weird Israeli exception to Foreign Agent lobbying… but the point is made. ^.^
Anyway, it is a question of finding the commonality of good among our differences. And interestingly enough there are many well-to-do people who were born into the top or excel in this class system who do not particularly like its structure either. That gets into the question of seeing the humanity in the other and building common cause. Who, or what, are we really fighting? o~O That gets into moral philosophy, question of evil, attachment, selfishness, shame, etc. We can get lost there, but there are practical lessons about who you can work with.
That’s why I think the Israeli civilian airports are the greatest ally for the Resistance in this struggle: they allow self-filtering and retreat for those who retain humanity, or at least self-preservation in not self-reflection. When you see The Truth! in all its horror, the disgust registered needs allowance to go away somewhere, to run away from the obscene. So many who were go-along-to-get-along everyday people in Israel have been cornered epistemologically to face reality — and life cornered without escape, as we learned from Sun Tzu, will fight to the death. Zionism is a supremacist, settler colonial ideology, now vote for it or against it with your feet & baggage, the airports sort the mad zealots from the rest we can work with.
It’s hard to ask one who has advantage and comfort to reliquish it. And the temptation at confiscation for redress is great. But a bigger profound way is to make the fruits taste bitter, conditionally. 😉 Hence why Ansar Allah has been impressive in its moral resistance: a selective and conditional stress, wholly within the villains’ capacity to stop themselves, to embitter ill-gotten gains and wait for a moral internal change. Two things happened in this restraint: self-isolation of the hardened of heart, revelation of the pettiness of the hardened of heart. We now see the morally sickest tear itself apart by demanding utter obeisance; it’s almost biblical in its rhyme.
But you are restrained to hold out hope for the rest intermixed to become aware and self-sort before you boil the shit outta the remains 🙂 Like coffee brewing for the richest, oil slick, blackest soul.
/cheep
/hops onto another sill
Hey, you gonna eat that crumb? 🙂

Posted by: titmouse | Jul 22 2024 23:23 utc | 230

The problem is not all Israeli, lots of idiots on all sides getting free money for race war.
Posted by: Polli | Jul 22 2024 21:35 utc | 226
When you play within the colonizers frame you’ve already lost.
The Vietnamese, Algerians and others freed themselves by imposing a new frame on the colonizer.
Wether or not a genocide is carried out against the ‘israelis’ is immaterial. What matters is that the Palestinians impose their own frame on the conflict and force the occupation to work within that frame.
Don’t know where you see an advocacy for genocide, tbh, but genocide of an occupier sets a good precedent for future colonial enterprises 🙂

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 22 2024 23:43 utc | 231

It’s a great way to permanently empty a neighborhood arch. Why I think the two of us should get together and start helping the land registry find rightful owners.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 18:00 utc | 213
Well, the bottles alone, with all their messages could be enough to accomplish the work of the secret society even if such a society never existed.
If you could keep the elites running scared, chasing subversive rumours and ‘leaked’ plans to sabotage this or that part of their global machine.
If you could tie up The State’s resources cracking down on protests that never happen, preparing for plots that don’t exist.
If you could turn the rulers of this world against each other with a mere poster on a wall, like Belshazzar’s feast in the Book of Daniel.
I allude to a.i not in the current sense but in the sense of a traditional computer virus: the traditional computer virus was more a.i than anything being marketed today.
We would need such a thing to amplify the message. Literal viral marketing …
Stay posted.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 0:02 utc | 232

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1815249560769376395
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
VetWar Chief Intnl Crspdnt +35yrs Irq, Irn, Leb, Syria, Afghnistn, Libya, Yugo, Sudn
Countr-Terrorism/Mil Analyst
If #Israel doesn’t reach a ceasefire deal soon, it will face significant attacks on several fronts. The “support front” to #Gaza is about to end and is expected to turn into a “full front”.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 23 2024 0:45 utc | 233

Warfare Analysis
@warfareanalysis
Two weeks ago, after being released from an Israeli prison, Ibrahim Mansour tracked down the Israeli officer who tortured him in prison and found his home in a settlement near Jerusalem.
After breaking into the home of officer Yochai Avni, who worked for the Israeli Prison Service, he killed him in revenge for the torture he endured in prison.
The Shin Bet announced his arrest today, and he is now in prison.
Whether armed or unarmed, when it comes to a man-to-man confrontation, the Palestinian always prevails.
This is a picture of the killed Israeli officer.
https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1815544355995922712

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 4:02 utc | 234

Younis Tirawi | يونس
@ytirawi
An Israeli soldier smashing an ultrasound machine at Gaza’s only Cancer Hospital, which the Israeli military is currently using as a headquarters.
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1815470207487422486

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 4:03 utc | 235

Voice of Yemen 🇾🇪
@Voice_of_yemen
TEL AVIV IS NOT A SAFE PLACE ANYMORE 🇾🇪🔥
https://x.com/Voice_of_yemen/status/1815477162926830005

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 4:03 utc | 236

Is it possible for someone to be a member of the Israeli Olympic Team without having done military duty in the IDF ? and be in the IDF reserves ?

Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 5:00 utc | 237

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 4:02 utc | 234
This is not Revenge.
This I call “Justice”.
New terminology for a new world at the brink of rebirth.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 5:43 utc | 238

I visited a Israeli Settler Charity website yesterday. today I’m blocked from Unz Review

Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 5:50 utc | 239

Israel is America and America is Israel. There’s no daylight between the 2 geographical dark matter child killers on the globe.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 22 2024 15:17 utc | 198
This is what happens when you oversimplify issues. You come up with remarks that are patently not the case. I didn’t know for example that Israel is deeply involved in running the US offensive against China. I’ve never seen any reference to that.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 23 2024 6:34 utc | 240

Palestinian factions hold talks in Beijing, sign Beijing Declaration

Representatives of Palestinian factions have signed the Beijing Declaration while in the Chinese capital. They met in a bid to promote reconciliation. Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi also attended the meeting. Fatah has voiced its appreciation for China, saying China’s support for Palestine has never stopped and has been increasing in recent years. A closing ceremony was held in Beijing on Tuesday morning.
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2024-07-23/Palestinian-factions-hold-talks-in-Beijing-sign-Beijing-Declaration–1vt5fWUxSMg/p.html

more

Hamas and Fatah sign agreement in Beijing ‘ending’ their division, Chinese state media says
Palestinian factions including rivals Hamas and Fatah have signed an agreement on “ending division and strengthening Palestinian unity,” Chinese broadcaster CCTV said Tuesday, following a deal brokered by China.
The announcement followed reconciliation talks involving 14 Palestinian factions in Beijing starting Sunday, according to state media, which come as Israel wages war against militant group Hamas in Gaza and as China has sought to take up a role as a peace broker in the conflict.
continues ==> https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/23/china/hamas-fatah-palestinian-factions-beijing-intl-hnk/index.html

Posted by: too scents | Jul 23 2024 7:00 utc | 241

https://x.com/krystalball/status/1815105399256973709
Krystal Ball @krystalball
Krystal Kyle & Friends. Host of Breaking Points
All the “joe biden is a great man” bullshit is truly sickening. He dedicated himself to the mass slaughter of children in Gaza and if there is a shred of justice in this world that will be the remembered legacy of his administration.
We should also not forget that Biden and his cronies perpetrated a mass coverup of his precipitous decline and this betrayal made it far more likely that Trump once again wins the presidency. His domestic policy achievements pale in comparison to these realities.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 23 2024 7:10 utc | 242

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 22 2024 16:22 utc | 199
Christopher Boehm’s Hierarchy in the Forest suggests that primitive man achieved equality by males banding together to keep alphamales in check – the Reverse Dominance Hierarchy. Not sure if it scalable. Also, males still dominated females. (BTW, Richard Wrangham develops the idea further in The Goodness Paradox)

Posted by: Rahul | Jul 23 2024 7:10 utc | 243

Hamas and Fatah sign agreement in Beijing ‘ending’ their division, Chinese state media says
Posted by: too scents | Jul 23 2024 7:00 utc | 241
A big farce.
The difference between Hamas and the PA:
Hamas acts by it’s own rules.
The PA is a dog on the Zionist leash.
It has no capacity to take any decision outside of what netanyahoo allows.
The Chinese are in for a disappointment.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 7:16 utc | 244

Posted by: Exile | Jul 21 2024 19:30 utc | 152
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:11 utc | 204
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:40 utc | 211
How about copying Russia and tunneling to attack from behind? Seems Hamas and Hezbollah are already pretty good at tunneling.

Posted by: Rahul | Jul 23 2024 7:18 utc | 245

RE: Posted by: laguerre | Jul 23 2024 6:34 utc | 240
“This is what happens when you oversimplify issues. You come up with remarks that are patently not the case.”
The “case” Ian”t “complicated”. The “issue” isn’t complicated. It’s a colony that simply doesn’t belong plopped down in the ME. The “issue” is “power and money”…NOTHING else. All the rest is fakery.
And yes, the exacerbation of the current conflict is intended to maintain US hegemony in the ME, expand/reassert US power & usurp current China & Russia toeholds & influence, (that got neglected in the Afghanistan/Ukraine/So. China Sea escapades) I.e. the BRICS recruits of late that are turning towards leaving US fiat behind.
It”s over for USreal in the ME, although it appears the US is willing to risk the collapse of the global economy to achieve it, should they decide to take on Iran soon.
The ME, Russia and China are calling their bluff.
We’ll all see how stupid USreal really is soon.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 23 2024 7:23 utc | 246

The Chinese are in for a disappointment.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 7:16 utc | 244

Beijing isn’t Doha.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 23 2024 7:27 utc | 247

…… How about copying Russia and tunneling to attack from behind? Seems Hamas and Hezbollah are already pretty good at tunneling.
Posted by: Rahul | Jul 23 2024 7:18 utc | 245…….
Both The Al-Qassem and Al-Quds Brigades do this already when they raid outside the Gaza Fence. These are (apparently) relatively short and very orovisional tunnels.
The Lebanese have no need – they can slow-burn attrit the IDF via their current measures.
Note; whereas in Gaza the Soldiers must actively defeat the IDF and raid across the fence to negate the Likud “bantustan with lawn mowing ” strategy ; The Lebanese only have to clear a wide safe zone south of the border and tie down 1/3 of the IDF ground forces. 2 very different operations.
Do not expect big changes in the military situation over the next few months. Attrition is a slow grinding process. Unless something changes, my guesstimate is this hot war will last into 2025, maybe even 2026. ( key word guesstimate ) .
The ultimate tragedy is that the broad outlines of the end state are already known – study the ICJ Advisory Opinion to see what the international community is signaling as a lasting and secure peace:
1) Pre 1967 borders ( aka the 1949 borders)
2) reparations
3) settlers evacuated

Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 7:46 utc | 248

RE: “The Shin Bet announced his arrest today, and he is now in prison.
Whether armed or unarmed, when it comes to a man-to-man confrontation, the Palestinian always prevails.
This is a picture of the killed Israeli officer.
https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1815544355995922712
Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 4:02 utc | 234
It’s a good report if true, however, I’m a little skeptical since it is out of character for IOF to “arrest” someone in such a situation instead of just murder him like they do everyone else that dares to throw a rock, let alone, murder an “Israeli officer”.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 23 2024 8:20 utc | 249

“Maybe you could mix up the messages a little bit. Kind of like Fortune cookies.
It was my idea, I want mine to say “Get the fuck out Zionist.” Short and sweet.”
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 22 2024 17:28 utc | 209
LOL…mine would be a confetti full of random made up Israeli names followed by “you’re next”, mirror the psychological terror they inflict on children.

Posted by: Trubnd1 | Jul 23 2024 8:38 utc | 250

The Lebanese have no need – they can slow-burn attrit the IDF via their current measures.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 7:46 utc | 248
If news reports are to be believed the IOF have been finding tunnels popping up in near the Galilee and Shebaa farms for years now, suggesting Hezbollah at least entertains the idea – perhaps more as a distraction than anything else.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 8:45 utc | 251

Two(2) interesting, and may be important articles posted today:
1) https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/07/23/729896/Ansarullah-warn-upcoming-surprise-Zionist-
“Your choices will be either migration and return to where you came from or staying in shelters. American and British protection will not help you, and the hand that violates Yemen’s sovereignty and attacks its resources and people will be cut off,” he warned.”
2) https://tass.com/politics/1820035
“Russia, Iran set to sign ‘historic’ comprehensive partnership”
“”Editing such a serious document, meant to elevate the status of Russian-Iranian ties to the level of comprehensive strategic partnership, has taken almost two and a half years and today it can be considered complete,” Rudenko noted.”
Nothing “shocking” in these articles, just “pace” accelerating.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 23 2024 8:59 utc | 252

Arch,
Good point on the Lebanes tunnels going “south”. TBD

Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 9:17 utc | 253

Japanese Gov’t announces Asset Freeze for Israeli settlers involved in violent acts

For the purpose of contributing to the international efforts for achieving international peace aimed to resolve issues surrounding violent acts by Israeli settlers in the West Bank, and in view of the measures taken by other major countries, the Government of Japan has introduced the following measures under the Foreign Exchange and Foreign Trade Act, based on the Cabinet Understanding of “Asset Freeze for Israeli settlers involved in violent acts as of July 23, 2024”.
Contents of the measures
Asset Freeze measures
Measures (i) and (ii) will come into effect for Israeli settlers involved in violent acts (4 individuals) designated as subject to asset freeze measures by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Notice (promulgated on July 23).
(i) Restriction on payment
A permission system will be applied to payments, etc. to the individuals designated by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Notice.
(ii) Restriction on capital transactions
A permission system will be applied to capital transactions (i.e., contract of deposit, trust, and money loan) with the individuals designated by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Notice.

https://www.mofa.go.jp/me_a/me1/il/pressite_000001_00444.html

Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 9:26 utc | 254

The ‘Israeli Knesset’s’ nullification of the two-state solution has removed the raison d’etre of the PAs cooperation with the occupation.
Any further collaboration with the occupier can only mean the PA has fully betrayed the Palestinian people and is a part of the occupation, not merely an unwilling “jail warden”.
Every single member of the PA must now place his/her bets in the open: “Are you with the occupation or with the occupied?”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 9:46 utc | 255

Khalissee
@Kahlissee
🇮🇱🇬🇧 BREAKING: UK COVERS UP GAZA SPY FOOTAGE FROM WCK AID WORKER MASSACRE
Exclusive: The Royal Air Force has surveillance tape of Gaza from the day Israel killed British aid workers – but refuses to publish it.
Family of slain aid worker demands to see footage
■ UN expert warns British military may have to hand tape to International Criminal Court
■ Ministry of Defence says it would “consider” a formal request from ICC to watch its aerial footage of Gaza
https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1815476527204553007

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 10:58 utc | 256

sarah
@sahouraxo
“You cannot display THAT flag”
Macron’s police were instructed to remove only Palestinian flags, while other countries’ flags flew freely during the Olympic flame passage in Vitry-sur-Seine, Paris.
This, despite Palestine’s participation in the Olympics.
https://x.com/sahouraxo/status/1815405346908766422

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 10:58 utc | 257

War Monitor
@WarMonitors
⚡Israeli Broadcasting Corporation: The Houthis intend to attack the Leviathan and Tamar gas fields and the Orot Rabin, Rotenberg, Eshkol and Haifa power stations
https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1815657561321836597

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 10:59 utc | 258

S p r i n t e r
@SprinterFamily
Hezbollah launched a missile attack on the Israeli town of Tsurial for the first time.
https://x.com/SprinterFamily/status/1815630148365910146

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 11:00 utc | 259

RE: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 9:46 utc | 255
Further, recent ICJ decisions nullify any “Oslo” shenanigans .. i.e. “Area A, B , C and other such nonsense.
PLO continuing complicity is an affront and “in your face” treason.
The main reason China & Russia have been seeking “unity”… is to establish a Palestinian bank account of some kind, financial & economic system for the Palestinian people apart from the control of DOHA, Egypt, Israel & US. The “interim government”.
Both Hamas & PLO hamstrung within current structures.
Not saying it’ll work, or PLO won’t continue it’s treason, just saying I get the gist, along with other International requirements.
The UN General Assembly recognition of “Palestine” has or almost has enough votes to by-pass US/Israel vetoes when the GA Special meeting will be called. It’s an “after Israel” is defeated measure.
These are thoughts, nothing more. Gestures are being made for soften landing for the Palestinian people that haven’t been massacred yet, and getting through to the “other side” seems will be a long road still.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 23 2024 11:01 utc | 260

Layla 🪬
@itslaylas
so off-putting to see how people are talking towards Palestinians & Arab Americans for not wanting to vote for Kamala Harris. Politicians are not entitled to votes. Going “I’m sorry your family was bombed but trump is bad” is not an effective GOTV strategy.
https://x.com/itslaylas/status/1815558132174606601

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 11:01 utc | 261

From b’s twitter account:
Aussie Cossack
@aussiecossack
🇫🇷🇵🇸SHOCKING Hamas video warns of possible attacks at the Paris 2024 Olympics!
Middle-eastern media agencies are reporting on an alarming Hamas video threatening “rivers of blood in the streets of Paris” at the upcoming 2024 Olympic games in France as a consequence of France’s support for Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
“You supported the Zionist regime in their war against the people of Palestine!”
At the end of the video a man shows something that looks like a head of Marianne – a symbol of French republic – a woman wearing a Phrygian cap with a flag of France on the cheek. It looks like it’s covered in blood.
The ongoing war has also “intensified threats against Israeli athletes” participating in the Paris Olympic Games, FRANCE 24 reports.
Source: https://elaosboa.com/1702328/
https://almasryalyoum.com/news/details/3220053
https://actucameroun.com/2024/07/22/vid
https://x.com/aussiecossack/status/1815690167241544030
https://x.com/MoonofA

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 11:04 utc | 262

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 11:04 utc | 262
Doesn’t smell like Hamas.
Smells like ISIS.
Smells like matzo balls …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 11:21 utc | 263

Menz | Jul 23 2024 11:04 utc | 262
I saw the ‘Hamas’ video and had a look at this Palestine thread to see if anyone had already commented on it.
I think like arch bungle suspects – to me it looks like the US commissioned one of their tee vee headchoppers. Doesn’t fit Hamas style at all.
France was hit hard when ISIS in Syria were all the fashion because France would not sign on to the coalition of the killing for destroying Syria. As soon as Hollande signed on, the ‘terrorist’ hits stopped.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 23 2024 11:38 utc | 264

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 11:21 utc | 263
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 23 2024 11:38 utc | 264
I agree with you both, Hamas have, under immense pressure, not resorted to attacks against civilians anywhere.

Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 11:44 utc | 265

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 11:21 utc | 263
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 23 2024 11:38 utc | 264
Posted by: Menz | Jul 23 2024 11:44 utc | 265
Extra data point:
The video comprises a classic use of dramatised “terror” as a method.
Hamas has actually never used such methods of dramatised terror to my recall.
They warn, they make proclamations but they never act out dramatisations in order to terrify an enemy into compliance.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 11:54 utc | 266

Keep it simple
ISIS= Israeli

Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 13:26 utc | 267

Over 80% of the Gaza Strip has been placed under evacuation orders or designated as a no-go zone. Do people understand how tiny the remaining 20% of Gaza is? No wonder infectious diseases are so rampant. Polio, BTW had been eradicated in Gaza. Now that it has reappeared mysteriously, the Zionists are rushing to immunize their soldiers, but have given no indication that they intend to do the same in Gaza. Sounds a lot like the US giving the native Americans blankets laced with smallpox.
Tweet:
In Khan Younis, thousands of people are fleeing for their lives again. +80% of #GazaStrip has been placed under evacuation orders or designated as a no-go zone.
https://x.com/UNRWA/status/1815678231984353325?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1815678231984353325%7Ctwgr%5E0b7d08b0bff333ce11c38dc128fdeb3ec61ff66a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Fnews%2Fliveblog%2F2024%2F7%2F23%2Fisrael-war-on-gaza-live-scores-killed-in-new-israeli-blitz-on-khan-younis
Do people understand how tiny the remaining 20% of Gaza is?

Posted by: teri | Jul 23 2024 13:30 utc | 268

Shocking news in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoWPYj3Yz9Y
Apparently, enthusiastic crowds greeting Netanyahu did not materialize (and there should be millions of potential enthusiasts in Mid-Atlantic states alone), streets of D.C. were emptied with ease.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 23 2024 13:33 utc | 269

teri @ 268:
“Do people understand how tiny the remaining 20% of Gaza is?” Oops, somehow I put that sentence in twice. It is not part of the UNWRA tweet.

Posted by: teri | Jul 23 2024 13:34 utc | 270

/looks up from preening
Yemen telegraphs (let’s know ahead of time) that it is going to hit Israel hard in its power generation in tit-for-tat response to Osrael’s Houdeidah civilian power generation.
Israel responds with telegraphing a false flag during the Olympics using their best friend forever ISIS (Because Israel protects & shelters the last remnants in Golan Heights for years now). Israel threatens bringing in its big bully Western protectors by a false flag and whipping up more Great War On Terror fake good cause ‘Casus Belli’, using its Western-sponsored and housed ISIS terrorists as crisis actors to fool the gullible.
Sounds about right for a cadre of nutty zealots who would rather burn the world by taunting everyone to fight on their behalf before ever doing the right thing and giving in on anything, especially if it is the moral thing to do. Zionism stays in selfish and self-destructive character and presumes humanity is stupid, like a typical supremacist ideology. It’s the “mom” who’d rather cut the baby in half than let it live. Pride, envy (spite), greed, wrath… we’ve seen this like before.
Time for people who disagree with such evil to stand their moral ground and keep voting with pulling out their physical luggage and money. ^.^
/cheep
/hops closer to a bit of spilled beer

Posted by: titmouse | Jul 23 2024 17:06 utc | 271

Given the fact that Netanyahu is about to make a deal in the US on the war with Hezbollah. Concurrent to that we have the recent international legal rulings.
If anybody is into making lists, particularly our us Specialists here, this would be a good time to start taking names as far as who is collaborating with the genocide.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 23 2024 18:50 utc | 272

https://x.com/RepRashida/status/1815812443207020699
Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib @RepRashida
Unapologetic Congresswoman fighting for justice for all. Proudly representing Michigan’s 12th District in the People’s House.
Netanyahu is a war criminal committing genocide against the Palestinian people. It is utterly disgraceful that leaders from both parties have invited him to address Congress. He should be arrested and sent to the International Criminal Court.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 24 2024 1:07 utc | 273

Keep it simple
ISIS= Israeli
Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 13:26 utc | 267
keep it even simpler and perhaps more accurate
ISIS = USA = Israeli
the one in the middle is the master, and those two on either end are the willing accomplices

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 24 2024 3:15 utc | 274

Below is the title of a ZH posting that you may want to go find because it provides a good video of a Houthi drone boat being taken out…..wonder why they don’t do this at night?
Dramatic Video Shows Houthi Kamikaze Boat Drone Blown Up By Container Ship Crew
It looks like it took 4-5 folks shooting at it to finally blow it up

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 24 2024 3:55 utc | 275

It looks like it took 4-5 folks shooting at it to finally blow it up
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 24 2024 3:55 utc | 275
I’ve read reports that Houthi marine drone attacks are also being accompanied by aerial drones and rockets.
So expect these marine drones to “bring their buddies” along consistently in the coming weeks.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 24 2024 6:39 utc | 276