Palestine Open Thread 2024-173
News & views related to the war in Palestine ...
Of interest:
We Volunteered at a Gaza Hospital. What We Saw Was Unspeakable. - Politico
Posted by b on July 20, 2024 at 9:16 UTC | Permalink
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Posted by: phenon | Jul 20 2024 9:21 utc | 2
The Zionists puppets infest just about every parliament in Europe.
"A leading lobbyist who described being made a member of House of Lords as a “once in a lifetime opportunity” to advocate for Israel is claiming thousands of pounds in public funds for his parliamentary work."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2024 9:40 utc | 3
phenon (1)
The LGBTQIA+ community already has the exact same Human Rights as everyone else, the puppet Scottish government the SNP has brought in some crazy laws recently with the HCA and the millions of pounds wasted on trying to force through GRRB, the latter would allow intact men to invade women and children's safe spaces.
Glasgow is my home town.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2024 9:46 utc | 4
Crumbs Republicofscotland the elite goal is to break up the family unit and distract from mis management and how well Scotland has been run previously.
Posted by: phenon | Jul 20 2024 9:52 utc | 5
Easy lawfare targets after the ICJ opinon yesterday :
US “charity” aids armed Israeli settlers
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/michael-f-brown/us-charity-aids-armed-israeli-settlers
Posted by: Exile | Jul 20 2024 10:04 utc | 6
Time to end the illegal apartheid entity and the new U.K. Labour government should rescind (of course it won’t) the ‘contract’ the U.K. supposedly entered into with the Balfour Declaration in WW1, to some Zion King, decades before the abortion of that Project even came into existence post ww2.
The Ziofascists has pushed it beyond the Pale- again!
The mass murder of the natives in both their losing fronts will not be forgotten and this time it won’t be the religious Semitic Judaist followers who will be used as Victims. It is the Kings - we know who they are and their shapeshifter ways.
From the River to The Sea …Hasbarats.
I have been sounding the alarm for months , times nearly up, no lifts soon and only a staircase escape soon.
GO! Run, now while you can take some of your clothes and stolen wealth.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 20 2024 10:33 utc | 7
Globe Eye News
@GlobeEyeNews
BREAKING:
Russia may give Yemen’s Houthis antiship missiles, according to American intelligence.
https://x.com/Currentreport1/status/1814220234275836131
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 10:36 utc | 8
Globe Eye News
@GlobeEyeNews
Russia will host 43,000 Palestinian refugees for six months as a humanitarian gesture.
https://x.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1814322893473669330
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 10:41 utc | 9
Hamas, Islamic Jihad call on PLO to withdraw recognition of Israel after Israeli parliament vote
Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) have called on the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) to withdraw its recognition of Israel in retaliation for the Israeli parliament's approval of a bill that rejects the establishment of a Palestinian state.
The groups made the announcement on Thursday following a meeting in Qatar between Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh and Islamic Jihad chief Ziad Nakhaleh and his deputy Mohammed al-Hindi, according to a statement made by Hamas.
Hamas and the PIJ said that the Palestinian people have a right to establish their own state with Jerusalem as its capital.
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 10:48 utc | 10
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 10:48 utc | 10
The PLO are such a bunch of cucks. They're probably so completely owned by the Zionists they'll still continue recognizing an entity that doesn't recognise them.
Glad to be proven wrong.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 10:52 utc | 11
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas restated his reservations about the role of the US in resolving the conflict with Israel.
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 10:54 utc | 12
Scrub #12
Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas will visit Russia on Aug 12-14 and meet Russian President Vladimir Putin on Aug 13, Russian state-run news agency RIA Novosti reported on Friday, citing a diplomatic source.
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 10:57 utc | 14
This is what happens in my home town (Glasgow) to people who protest against the Zionists genocide in Gaza and those who enable it.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2024 10:57 utc | 15
IDF said to have tracked drone that hit Tel Aviv for 6 minutes, but thought it harmless
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 10:59 utc | 16
Ramy Abdu| رامي عبده
@RamAbdu
The final embrace between a father and his child killed by Israel. Israel has killed over 16,000 Palestinian children in less than 9 months, with full Western support.
https://x.com/LailaAlarian/status/1814528233427112379
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 11:02 utc | 17
We Volunteered at a Gaza Hospital. What We Saw Was Unspeakable.
The two of us are humanitarian surgeons. Together, in our combined 57 years of volunteering, we’ve worked on more than 40 surgical missions in developing countries on four continents. We’re used to working in disaster and war zones, of being on intimate terms with death and carnage and despair.
None of that prepared us for what we saw in Gaza this spring.
MORE...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/19/gaza-hospitals-surgeons-00167697
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 11:09 utc | 18
Daniel Fooks
@DanielFooksArt
Israel has no right to exist.
Like Rhodesia, Apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany, it belongs in the dustbin of history.
https://x.com/DanielFooksArt/status/1814402315203555563
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 11:15 utc | 19
IDF said to have tracked drone that hit Tel Aviv for 6 minutes, but thought it harmless
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 10:59 utc | 16
That is the Trump SS defense :)
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 11:15 utc | 20
Thanks, b, for the politico link: horrific experiences of doctors visiting Gaza. US Americans need to know what they're paying for, however excruciating the details of genocide in progress. This long article is mainly blunt reporting on inexcusable injuries, such as children shot in the head. Toward the end, the following is one of the only plaintive notes...
The moment the United States cuts off military aid to Israel the bombs will stop falling and the troops will withdraw. We must decide, once and for all: are we for or against murdering children, doctors and emergency medical personnel? Are we for or against demolishing an entire society? Are we for or against starvation?
Are we for or against peace?
The answer to their question is the latter: we the people of USA are most effectively against peace. When the subject even arises. My fellow citizens are worried about Trump's "ear owie" (as Caitlin phrased it), Microsoft's blue screen of death going global, and when Biden will stumble to tumble. Gazans we murder have sunken below the news horizon.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 20 2024 11:16 utc | 21
Easy lawfare targets after the ICJ opinon yesterday :
US “charity” aids armed Israeli settlers
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/michael-f-brown/us-charity-aids-armed-israeli-settlers
Posted by: Exile | Jul 20 2024 10:04 utc | 6
Not sure in the US, but in Europe (particularly continental Europe) I would say that lawyers will be having fun
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 11:22 utc | 22
For the sake of Palestine, in the US what very much needs to be done is to educate the Trump loyalists on what is happening there. That may seem a fruitless task but it isn't. Their devotion to Trump and what happened to him a week ago is the key.
There are very positive aspects to his stated program but it is adrift when it comes to the recognition of Palestinian suffering and Zionist predation. There are difficulties but they are not insurmountable. Tact and diplomacy may seem weak helpmates but they are essential because already there are enormous possibilities opening up as diplomacy on the international front gradually opens up.
I was asked on the open forum how my 'beauty will save the world' mantra helps the Palestinian cause. This is my answer. There is beauty to be created in Trump's program for helping all Americans. It may seem crass and unfeeling but in this time of cruelty in the Middle East and a seeming ignorance of other faiths and their importance in a healthy world community, I yesterday breakfasted with my voluntarily homeless youngest son, raised in our little Orthodox church, who tells me he is currently studying the Koran. I was happy to hear it. His feet were cracked and bleeding and he 'volunteers' in a cemetary clearing the weeds. I brought him shoes and two pairs of socks. He told me he worries for the small insects he is displacing there; I told him, don't worry; they can move to the green places still surrounding the graves. We had a good time together.
Trump will help him; and we should help Trump understand more about where beauty lies, in our cemetaries that house everyone regardless of faith, and are gentle healing places for our traumatized homeless people. In concern about the smallest living creatures, such destruction of these is anathema. And we need to start from the ground up as we did here on this forum, to keep explaining what has happened in Palestine,is still happening there -- to understand what has happened to peaceful Islamic people and even to my son here in the US, who is turning to the Koran for solace in his voluntary, determined homelessness.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 20 2024 11:50 utc | 23
Juliana @ 23
"Trump will help him"? Trump will help anyone? What are you even talking about? Trump only brags about helping the rich to more wealth - last time he was in office, he did nothing - NOTHING - for the commons or the common man. I have not seen a single article about his "plans", (muddled though as he presents them, one can still suss out what he is saying), and none of it indicates any goodwill.
He's already said multiple times that he intends to help Israel "finish the job" quickly.
Posted by: teri | Jul 20 2024 12:12 utc | 24
This is Palestine related.
Did I call it?
Saw a headline regarding the security failure surrounding the Trump assassination attempt: "Malice **Or** Massive Incompetence".The security team could very well have been manned with substandard agents **by design**. And that situation would be malice on the part of the higher ups
at the DHS, an agency controlled by Democrats. "Malice" creating a situation of "Massive Incompetence". NOT necessarily an either/or situation.The two are NOT mutually exclusive - Malice and Incompetence.
Does this remind barflies of the security failure of October 7th?
Posted by: librul | Jul 15 2024 11:45 utc | 46
The assassination attempt was two days before this post.
A lot more detail has come out since then.
The assassination site **was** manned by blatantly "substandard agents".
Lots more detail needs to come out. Lots. The perpetrators, the Deep State and Democrats, will do all they can
to hide those details, as we all know.
For instance, it is one thing to create a security hole or lapse, it is another thing to have
a gunman take advantage of that hole at just the right time. How did the FBI, etal learn that
there would be someone to take advantage of that security hole?
On October 7th it was a piece of cake for Israel to know what was coming. They knew.
But what are the missing details surrounding July 13th?
I hope the parents of Crooks are on suicide watch. If they know something key then they are
a danger to those that planned the assassination.
Posted by: librul | Jul 20 2024 12:13 utc | 25
……Not sure in the US, but in Europe (particularly continental Europe) I would say that lawyers will be having fun
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 11:22 utc …..
Indeed - those associated in any way with that “Charity” will soon be on a EU, BRIC+, etc No-Fly list as well as having their assets frozen in those jurisdictions.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 20 2024 12:13 utc | 26
I hope the parents of Crooks are on suicide watch. If they know something key then they are
a danger to those that planned the assassination.
@Posted by: librul | Jul 20 2024 12:13 utc | 25
Reminder that Jeffrey Epstein was taken off his suicide watch just in time for his "suicide".
Posted by: librul | Jul 20 2024 12:22 utc | 27
Who would have thought to run some drones up to the Mediterranean and come from that direction where zero air defence was. Almost like Thu Ukrainians and their surprise sneak attacks. A huge PR win in that department. Israelis call to flatten Yemen, funny thing is 50 yrs of war hasn't crushed them and Israel actually had a hand in helping the houthis against the UK installed monarchy , so the blowback irony is extra sweet
Posted by: Hankster | Jul 20 2024 13:33 utc | 28
As the US Congress prepares to pay homage to the war criminal, Bibi Netanyahu (four days from now, on July 24), the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinian people of Gaza has all but been forgotten.
Western media turns a blind eye towards the unspeakable suffering that American bombs and the Israeli bombardment and blockade of Gaza continues to produce, while Trump and Biden strive to outdo each other in their support of Israel.
What will the rest of the world see as Democrats and Republicans join together to give Bibi a standing ovation?
"Viva la Genocide!"
Posted by: Perimetr | Jul 20 2024 13:57 utc | 29
Israelis call to flatten Yemen, funny thing is 50 yrs of war hasn't crushed them and Israel actually had a hand in helping the houthis against the UK installed monarchy , so the blowback irony is extra sweet
Posted by: Hankster | Jul 20 2024 13:33 utc | 28
I take comfort in the fact that if 'Israel' hasn't been able subdue tiny Gaza in 9 months they have no hope of "flattening" Yemen to any degree resembling that description ...
Unless nuclear weapons become an option, in which case we're in a whole new phase of human existence.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 14:01 utc | 30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nep56kNkouI
Caitlin Johnstone. Powerful as usual. I won’t add a comment. It speaks for itself.
Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 20 2024 14:05 utc | 31
The Politico article has left me in tears. I have no words for it, except to thank the medical workers who risk their lives to bring a little mercy into the horror inflicted by Israel onto the Gazan people. All while my own government continues to support Israel and its campaign of atrocity!
Posted by: Clever Dog | Jul 20 2024 14:09 utc | 32
Who would have thought to run some drones up to the Mediterranean and come from that direction where zero air defence was. Almost like Thu Ukrainians and their surprise sneak attacks. A huge PR win in that department. Israelis call to flatten Yemen, funny thing is 50 yrs of war hasn't crushed them and Israel actually had a hand in helping the houthis against the UK installed monarchy , so the blowback irony is extra sweet
Posted by: Hankster | Jul 20 2024 13:33 utc | 28
Once again there is the why of showing so gently that they can.
As in the other drone's footage of military assets I am tempted to say that the objective is to move assets that are elsewhere to now guard that "hole".
But that only makes sense if a strike is coming from another direction.
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 14:28 utc | 33
Do Holocaust Memorials Kill People?
Visit the United States Memorial Museum online,
The first thing you might read is:
"The US Holocaust Memorial Museum teaches millions of people each year
about the dangers of unchecked hatred and the need to prevent genocide."
This is a fine message. It's intention is excellent. Unfortunately people, with their complex psychologies,
are not computers that you can deliver input into and then get the expected result out.
People don't function that way.
There is a quote and a warning, (rough quote) "a danger of war is that if it lasts long
enough you will become like the enemy."
I started to count the number of Holocaust memorials and museums in the world and it became a project.
It numbers in the hundreds. How many Holocaust related books, fiction and non-fiction, have there been?
How many movies?
The ostensible intent and purpose no one can have dispute with. But what has been the end result?
We see protests and protestors numbering in their thousands against the ongoing Genocide in Gaza.
So, clearly many have learned the lesson of the Holocaust. Genocide cannot be called "self-defense".
All life is sacred. It is inevitable that the greatest casualties in war are civilians, so war
must be avoided. We are all brothers, responsible for each other. These are the message of The Holocaust.
But people have complex psychologies. With all these museums, memorials, books, movies, speeches, articles...
can one say that the Holocaust ever ended?
Did the intended message of the Holocaust Museums become
twisted? Did the danger become a reality? ("A danger of war is that if it lasts long
enough you will become like the enemy.")
Yad Vashem is "Israel's official memorial to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust".
Every new recruit into the IDF is led to Yad Vashem with one intended lesson:
"They should learn, why we fight."
Posted by: librul | Jul 20 2024 15:02 utc | 34
Israel is not officially a member of Nato but that's it, in all other aspects it IS a member.
"With the exception of Canada, the Netherlands, Spain, and Belgium, the remainder of the 32 NATO members continue to sell/send weapons to Israel as Israel conducts genocide operations on Palestinians in Gaza. "
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/07/20/natos-obscured-relationship-with-israel/
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2024 15:22 utc | 35
"They should learn, why we fight."
Posted by: librul | Jul 20 2024 15:02 utc | 34
Hopefully, one day, when israel has been erased and the children of Gaza rule over Palestine, they too will have their Holocaust Memorials - built over the graves and memorials of the Zionists before them.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 15:24 utc | 36
If I was an American taxpayer or even not a taxpayer, I'd be bloody furious with this, the money should've been spent on American's or at the very least American infrastructure, and no doubt they'll be billions of more dollars on their way to aid Israel whilst many Americans live in poverty.
"Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since its founding in 1948, having received about $310 billion in economic and military assistance. Since Oct. 7, 2023, the U.S. has passed legislation that has provided at least $12.5 billion in military aid to Israel, which included $3.8 billion from legislation in March 2024 and $8.7 billion from a supplemental appropriation in April 2024."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2024 15:27 utc | 37
The 80 year curse:
Throughout the Jewish history, the Jews did not rule for more than eighty years, except in the two kingdoms of David and the Hasmonean dynasty and, in both periods, their disintegration began in the eighth decade.
-- Ehud Barak
Since the founding of 'Israel' it has been 76 years.
I've frequently made the prediction that by 2030 'israel' would be no more.
Perhaps I was off by 2 years, if this curse holds any weight.
tick ... tock ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 15:35 utc | 38
Yemen now, Zionist attack
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2024 15:38 utc | 39
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2024 15:38 utc | 39
That is a huge amount of civilian destruction.
I hope Ansarallah will stop joking around now.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 15:41 utc | 40
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2024 15:38 utc | 39
It's like the US/UK raids on Yemen. They can bomb all they like, but it changes nothing. In particular it doesn't open the port of Eilat again, a much more serious matter than one drone over Tel Aviv.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 20 2024 15:49 utc | 41
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 14:01 utc | 30
Arch said: "Unless nuclear weapons become an option, in which case we're in a whole new phase of human existence."
Yes indeed. And it'll probably a very brief one.
Posted by: Mexicana | Jul 20 2024 15:56 utc | 42
phenon@1920-21
Could be that the original gay liberation spirit has sustained itself in Scotland. As far back as the mid-70's gay liberation philosophy and action, closely allied with other liberation movements such as anti-war; Black Panthers and the American Indian Movement (AIM)...was superseded by outside financing as well as by culturally conservative "homophiles" and lesbian separatists/superiorists.
Here in the $tates, the top-down controlled "queer, fag and tranny" iterations...along with samesex marriage inanities...have been closely tied to the Democrat party and similar institutional mechanisms under the general aegis of the Deep $tate.
So good on the liberated gays in Glasgow.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 20 2024 16:06 utc | 43
I will repost these channels. From these , the flight squadron was filmed heading south at @ 14:30, the strikes took place @ 16:15 . It was already suspected that was the destination.
I don't know how up to date other sites are but the following are almost always, and also are careful for accuracy, and do not hesitate to correct mistakes.
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Not sure about other browsers or regions, but the unregistered preview pages offered above usually cover several hours of posts.
@41 Tel Aviv might well have been allowed through as pretext. The aim appears to be degradation of Yemen and show of superiority.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2024 16:07 utc | 44
Menz@1059
With their Ironic Dome in tatters it is not unlikely that the Izzys feared that they should not use up valuable anti-drone measures to take down that seemingly minor incursion.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 20 2024 16:12 utc | 45
Note times mentioned above are a european local time - in case anyone goes looking for any posts there based on those.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2024 16:13 utc | 46
I've frequently made the prediction that by 2030 'israel' would be no more.
Perhaps I was off by 2 years, if this curse holds any weight.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 15:35 utc | 38
I'm sure you're right, approximately. It could be longer. But the significant change since October 7th, has been the change in the perception of Israel from a modern eternal state to one of a foreign colony implanted in the Near East, a change which implies an end-point to the colonial status.
I hope Ansarallah will stop joking around now.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 15:41 utc | 40
That is not possible. Doing more than they are doing now depends on what missiles or drones they get hold of. In any case they are being very successful right now. They've succeeded in closing the port of Eilat, which is said to be on the point of bankruptcy. That's why the Israeli raid on Hodeideh, and in my opinion, why the Israeli propaganda video the other day suggesting there are queues of trucks lining up to transport goods from the Gulf to Israel by land. Israel is really hurting from this closure, and needs to suggest everything is going well, when it isn't.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 20 2024 16:16 utc | 47
"I have been sounding the alarm for months , times nearly up, no lifts soon and only a staircase escape soon.
GO! Run, now while you can take some of your clothes and stolen wealth."
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 20 2024 10:33 utc | 7
When I was highly active on social media half the time I was indirectly speaking to unseen listeners. Polluting their ideology and manipulating.... and making friends.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 20 2024 16:18 utc | 48
The aim appears to be degradation of Yemen and show of superiority.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2024 16:07 utc | 44
Impossible. It can't be done. US/UK didn't succeed; Israel won't have greater success.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 20 2024 16:19 utc | 49
Juliana@1150
Two peas in a pod...the two-party duopoly which are ruled by the DNC and RNC, respectively. The Talmudist ruling bankster crime clans maintain a steady hold on all major pro$titicians via campaign donations from both Talmudist financiers along with post S.Ct. "Citizens United" 'ruling' which gave corporations the empowerment to dumb zillions on the electoral process.
Though he talks a good populist game; the Trumpster is as OWNED as much by the money-mongers as are the Dems. One simple solution for all the pro$titicians in positions of high orfices would be an obligation to wear patches on their bespoke suits. Those patches, would in the manner of Nascar Drivers, reveal the various special interests who OWN their collective a$$es.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 20 2024 16:20 utc | 50
librul@1213
So the designated Patsy, whether or not he actually fired any shots, was taken down some three minutes after the SS Gauleiter informed the counter-shooters that they should hold fire until ordered to do so. Meanwhile, according to a recent Redacted podcast...and other sources...that there was at least one more shooter...this one caught on video atop a water-tower in the middle distance.
Apparently, there are feuding factions within the ruling elite. The Deep $tate branch desperately wish to retain their both cushy and powerful bureaucratic positions. The other element works diligently to keep the populist resistance welded to the persona of the Trump$ter.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 20 2024 16:27 utc | 51
We often talk about the intersection of the left and right with a specifying what that means or giving anecdotal examples.
DunGroaning seems to speak for the classic conservatives. A group that is antiwar and skeptical of social change.
However this intersects with the true left and far left. The letter also being more likely to respond with military force.
Where do you sit politically DunGroanin? If you wish to expound of course.
I often like your style.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 20 2024 16:27 utc | 52
No end in sight to the genocide in Gaza. The Zionists will continue violating all international laws acting with complete impunity and disregard for human life.
Posted by: AI | Jul 20 2024 16:30 utc | 53
Republic of Scotland@1527
Here in the $tates, the ownership of both sides of the aisle in the Di$trict of Corruption by nefarious forces headquartered conjointly in City of London and Wall $treet, with their two-party monopoly over bought and paid-for pro$titicians; the $$$ will go to the WarDefense Industry, to the Izzies, to the Ukes, the "migrants"...but manifestly not to the American people.
It's a "rules based order", my man and as the in$iders love to reiterate their Golden Rule: "Them that owns the gold make the rules".
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 20 2024 16:37 utc | 54
"Russia will host 43,000 Palestinian refugees for six months as a humanitarian gesture."
https://x.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1814322893473669330
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 10:41 utc | 9
Really? What can they do to pass the time?
Training half a brigade is all well and good, but they have enough enlistees for an army of 300,000. Anyway it all helps. ;-)
Tx for your posts Menz. 🙏
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 20 2024 16:38 utc | 55
@Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 20 2024 16:27 utc | 51
Thanks, that is the first I have heard about a second shooter.
It has been in the back of mind, so to speak.
A second shooter, I felt, was almost a must if indeed this was a planned assassination.
I wondered if the opportunity for an assassination came at such a late moment that
there was not enough time to coordinate a thorough plan, that is, complete with
a second shooter.
Have to wonder, though, if this person on the water-tower is a false lead.
Interesting times we live in.
---
guess I'll get busy and see what is being said elsewhere about the "water-tower" shooter.
Posted by: librul | Jul 20 2024 16:39 utc | 56
@Posted by: librul | Jul 20 2024 16:39 utc | 56
Initial search finds this:
https://weapons.substack.com/p/the-trump-assassination-attempt-a
An audio forensic analysis by Catalin Grigoras, director of the National Center for Media Forensics at the University of Colorado in Denver, and Cole Whitecotton, Senior Professional Research Associate, also at Media Forensics, based on audio recorded in Butler Pennsylvania, appears to show the possibility of three shooters. According to these experts, "The first three shots were consistent with alleged weapon A, the next five were consistent with alleged weapon B, and the final “acoustic impulse” was emitted by a possible weapon C."
Posted by: librul | Jul 20 2024 16:47 utc | 57
"Not "probably, are owned by the Zionists"
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 10:55 utc | 13
I have always known that. My question is how strong is this faction. How big? How well armed?
Why are they tolerated? Trump got lucky. Their ruling is contingent and depends on thr people's support.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 20 2024 16:49 utc | 58
" Russia will host 43,000 Palestinian refugees for six months as a humanitarian gesture.
https://x.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1814322893473669330
Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2024 10:41 utc | 9 "
I'm sure it will be very " temporary ". It will be " temporary" in all the countries that are going to take them in. Israel will be very happy to facilitate this " temporary " arrangement.
Posted by: Moonie | Jul 20 2024 16:55 utc | 59
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 20 2024 16:38 utc | 55
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Huge public housing settlements for Palestinian refugees have been built just outside of Grozny with funding from Ramzan Khadyrov's family.
The Russians aren't building a Palestinian army. They are providing aide and relief.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 20 2024 17:05 utc | 60
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2024 16:07 utc | 44
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The Zionist Apartheid regime had to respond. The Yemenis tested out their new stealth drone with attacks on Tel Aviv.
The stupid thing about punching down against people who want to die as martyrs is that they will only increase their commitment to resistance.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 20 2024 17:08 utc | 61
@49
I do my best to stay out of propaganda slants and influence of sentiment, but at the same time to straight report or show opinion on anything will be caught up in those. So:
Yemen just got degraded. Straight off they lost oil refining and storage capability, electricity in the capital.
What US and UK did was to hit 'military targets'. What 'Israel' is prepared to do is to hit civillian infrastructure and cause misery. To degrade the lives of those in Yemen.
The show of superiority is obvious. It might also be an illusion given how future combat might evolve.
The effect on the composure, dignity and fighting moral of the country is something different. That will not be degraded I think. The ability to continue frustrating shipping related to 'Israel' will be little degraded.
The rest depends on what kind of escalation occurs, and what kind of support Yemen receives in its efforts to interupt the 'Israeli' genocide.
Potentially we have 'Israel', Saudi, UAE, US and UK interact to overthrow resistance in Yemen, with each working from a different platform. I do not like what I imagine might be the result of an effort like that. 'Israel' has no reputation to keep in terms of possible targets.
So, I personally am cold on a lot of what goes on.
@ swiss previously, I meant to mention re. your brother and the pool. The pool would be the mother came to mind. Not sure if anyone already answered that.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2024 17:09 utc | 62
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/20/air-raids-hit-yemens
Israel says it struck Yemen’s Hodeidah in response to Houthi attacks The air raids against the port city come a day after a drone attack by the Yemeni group killed one person in Tel Aviv.…
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 20 2024 17:10 utc | 63
Palestine Chronicle live feed:
Saturday, July 20, 12:00 pm (GMT+2)
AL-JAZEERA: air raid sirens are sounding in the areas of Kibbutz Dan, Dafna and Sha’ar Yashuf in the Galilee Finger on the border with Lebanon.
AL-QASSAM BRIGADES: We blew up a tunnel with an Israeli infantry force west of Rafah.
AL-QUDS BRIGADES: We bombed the Nahal Oz site with mortar shells.
Comment: Plus many more items.,Also the Yemeni’s apparently hit 2 Israeli linked cargo ships
Posted by: Exile | Jul 20 2024 17:16 utc | 64
Yemen just got degraded. Straight off they lost oil refining and storage capability, electricity in the capital.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2024 17:09 utc | 62
Not really. It was straightforward vengeance, as they think, for their losses. You don't know how much damage was done, and I doubt if it makes much difference after nine years of Saudi bombardment.
I see among your sources the Palestinian journalist from Bethlehem who published the fake video of the convoy of trucks. It's obviously someone who's open to feeding Israeli propaganda into the system.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 20 2024 17:25 utc | 65
Yemen just got degraded. Straight off they lost oil refining and storage capability, electricity in the capital.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2024 17:09 utc | 62
Port of Haifa just became fair game...
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 17:34 utc | 66
Yemen just got degraded. Straight off they lost oil refining and storage capability, electricity in the capital.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2024 17:09 utc | 62
Not really. It was straightforward vengeance, as they think, for their losses.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 20 2024 17:25 utc | 65
1. This is not the first time the Port of Hodeida and it's oil terminal has been hit.
2. The Houthi can do the same level of damage to 'Israeli' oil infrastructure
3. Most importantly, the 'israelis' chose to strike a purely civilian infrastructure, leaving the actual Yemeni Armed forced untouched.
Given these facts, despite the spectacular optics at the port, despite the large amount of air power brought to bear, I can't see how this strike achieved anything in the way of degrading Yemen.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 17:37 utc | 67
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 17:37 utc | 67
Missed a piece:
4. Electricity in the capital has been on/off for the past decade now - I'm sure the Yemeni have a distributed, organically grown power grid. You're not going to get a monolithic electric grid that requires shipments of specialised equipment from Siemens in Germany to get up and running again ...
5. Storage capability is probably something that can be repaired in a reasonable amount of time, and is very likely disrtibuted geographically for redundancy - after all, the port has been hit multiple times before.
So again, nothing the Yemeni have not been handling for a decade minimum.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 17:41 utc | 68
Given these facts, despite the spectacular optics at the port, despite the large amount of air power brought to bear, I can't see how this strike achieved anything in the way of degrading Yemen.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 20 2024 17:37 utc | 67
And as an added bonus, either Egypt or Saudi Arabia should at least protest loudly or be subject to possible retaliations.
I'll assume they used the gof of Aqaba
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 17:44 utc | 69
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 17:44 utc | 69
There won't be more than protests. Neither Saudi nor Egypt are able to intervene. But they will protest, as their populations are very pro-Palestinian, and they need to show they're doing something.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 20 2024 17:54 utc | 70
There won't be more than protests. Neither Saudi nor Egypt are able to intervene. But they will protest, as their populations are very pro-Palestinian, and they need to show they're doing something.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 20 2024 17:54 utc | 70
Yes, but particularly for Egypt it's another jerrycan of oil into the fire (and even Saudis might prefer to not have added trouble, they have far bigger refineries to care for)
Another issue is how damaged the port is, "as the port plays the crucial role of delivering over 80 percent of food and aid to Yemen, several humanitarian agencies warned of catastrophic humanitarian consequences" (at the time of the 2018 Battle of Al Hudaydah when the saudis and allies tried to take it).
Another point is, at least for the F-35, I would say that the US had to "unlock them" for the mission envelope... including not only the destination bt also violation of saudi or egyptian airspace (or their accepting the overfly on both ways, speaking of which, they might miss them on the going, but unlikely on the return)
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 18:06 utc | 71
Headline Glasgow's Pride has raised concerns around plans for pro-Palestine protests at Saturday's parade.
Posted by: phenon | Jul 20 2024 9:20 utc | 1
Also Northern Pride today, in Newcastle upon Tyne.
There was a vocal pro-Palestine bloc in the parade (and did I see a Cuban flag too ?)
Posted by: Red Star | Jul 20 2024 18:21 utc | 72
in Newcastle upon Tyne.
There was a vocal pro-Palestine bloc in the parade (and did I see a Cuban flag too ?)
Posted by: Red Star | Jul 20 2024 18:21 utc | 72
With the labour victory they will be more hard pressed to stop it (regardless of thee leader's position)
P.S. OT question did you see the defeat aginst spain at home or at the Shark Bar?
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 18:31 utc | 73
The next time 20 a/c take off to attack it may be they will have nowhere to return.
This is War. Now the multipolar will come to the aid of these who ask.
@ Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 20 2024 16:27 utc | 52
I don’t know what to make of your query? I trust you ain’t fishing. My comment history should be fairly informative of my ‘position’.
I shall I repeat it for this record. In my understanding, I have come to realise :
There is no ‘Left/Right’ naturally. It is an artificial creation by the Top against all Below. To keep us slapping each other whilst they carry on exploiting the majority of humanity.
Just like the artificial division in ALL supposed democratic systems of the Collective West
Our imposition of bought ‘leaders’ limited by ‘democratic elections and fixed terms’
I don’t play their game any more.
I am a believer in public services for everyone
Life long security for all
No one should have to leave their native lands to find a Life.
Just like Russia and China and many others are doing for their Peoples.
The World and Human Civilisation depends on that reality coming to replace the Old Imperial World.
That’s why I shout into the Dark here, like many, so that anyone who hears knows they are not alone. Humanity must Win. We are Many. THEY are Few.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 20 2024 18:47 utc | 74
These stories of Israel in the Red Sea remind me a lot of the Crusader nasty, Rénaud de Chatillon, who was chief of Oultre-jourdain (or Transjordan, based in Kerak). Aside from other hyper-aggressive acts, he launched a raid down the Red Sea in 1184. It got as far as Jeddah, as far as I remember. Funnily enough, three years later in 1187, the Crusaders lost Jerusalem at the battle of Hattin. The problem was the same as today. Most of the European colonial population had already departed, and he was trying to compensate for the loss.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 20 2024 18:48 utc | 75
P.S. OT question did you see the defeat aginst spain at home or at the Shark Bar?
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 18:31 utc | 73
I didn't see it at all - I forgot it was on.
Posted by: Red Star | Jul 20 2024 18:49 utc | 76
Newbie | Jul 20 2024 18:06 utc | 71
The local news says the attack was coordinated with Saudi. Nato was involved
Posted by: rk | Jul 20 2024 18:55 utc | 77
The attack on Yemen - they said an Italian air tanker was used to refuel Israeli (or UK, or US, who knows) jets. Some sources said UK and US fighter jets were involved in the attack, and up to 20 F-16 jets in total.
I don't think Israel can muster 20 F-16 jets by itself. Whether or not UAE and Saudi territory was used as a launching pad is another question, could be.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 20 2024 19:03 utc | 78
You know folks, we don't need the Matrix because we are living Hollywood right now.
As reported by The Cradle
Biden delays presidential race withdrawal until after Netanyahu’s speech in congress: Report
and within that article it also talks about how when Trump gets in he will support the West Bank annexations.
These folks are playing out a movie that is not running in all theaters.
In their movie the capitulation of Ukraine happens after November/January of next year.
In their movie Hamas is put down in Gaza and the captives are freed. Hezbollah, Yemen, the Iraq/Iran resistance is neutralized and Syria is forced to give up the Golan Heights/West Bank.
I can't follow that movie any further but do believe that it will not comport with reality/history.
Will we ever get to meet the producers of the Western empire movie?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2024 19:47 utc | 79
The local news says the attack was coordinated with Saudi. Nato was involved
Posted by: rk | Jul 20 2024 18:55 utc | 77
Then a Saudi refinery might be next
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 19:56 utc | 80
MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin — US House Speaker Mike Johnson says some Democratic lawmakers may try to interrupt Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s address to a joint session of Congress next week but that they will be arrested if need be.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 20 2024 20:26 utc | 81
The crusader kingdoms in the Middle East folded, because the military cost outweighed the economic benefits.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 20 2024 20:38 utc | 82
I'd be surprised if the Saudis were involved in any significant way. MBS can't be so stupid as to support Israel in the twilight of the American Empire. Plus all signs are that the Saudis are in the process of switching sides.
Posted by: EoinW | Jul 20 2024 20:51 utc | 83
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2024 19:47 utc | 79
The question is who wants or can to stop "the movie"? There is no one. Please don't say RF, they love Bibi and only the sight of an American drone or British ship makes them piss their pants anyway. Now they're dancing with Shaman, the circus is in town! Iran or Hezbo are only marketing, nothing inside. Yemen tries but has no weapons and no one will give them any because they will use them to protect themselves, and that can not allowed. China does not even exist in this movie. Enjoy the "multipolars" in action, the US support group
Posted by: rk | Jul 20 2024 21:02 utc | 84
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2024 18:06 utc | 71
The F-35i uses indigenous software not the US maintained code base. Nothing to unlock.
Posted by: badjoke | Jul 20 2024 21:24 utc | 85
There is no ‘Left/Right’ naturally.Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 20 2024 18:47 utc | 74
Last time I differentiated between right and left was long ago, when the doctor asked me which one hurt.
Posted by: Leuk | Jul 20 2024 21:52 utc | 86
When are the Arab states going to withdraw their ambassadors? And when is the EU going to end the association agreement?
Or are they afraid of being bombed?
Posted by: Minaa | Jul 20 2024 22:13 utc | 87
librul | Jul 20 2024 15:02 utc | 34
*** I started to count the number of Holocaust memorials and museums in the world and it became a project.
It numbers in the hundreds. How many Holocaust related books, fiction and non-fiction, have there been?
How many movies?
The ostensible intent and purpose no one can have dispute with. But what has been the end result?***
No it is not all right. It shows the self-appointed "exceptionalists" really couldn't care less about any other civilian casualties of WW2.
A vast number....
And worse still, glosses over -- or ignores and denies -- evidence that a lot of themselves (the haranguers) were actually in active collaboration with those they now hypocritically (and lucratively) condemn.
Not to mention that the "Frankfurt school", "Straussians" and other such vile, malignant inflictions upon western populations were largely comprised of their lot, and proceeded to destroy the very same countries in which they had been given shelter.
And now, having massively propaganda exploited their own previous losses, they gloat over the visible results of their own tribal / cultist mindset being allowed to do whatever it truly likes, and very conveniently imagines its deity thoroughly endorses .... ie. extortion and genocide.
But will the decent members of that tribe finally clean up its collective act?
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 20 2024 22:36 utc | 88
aristodemos | Jul 20 2024 16:20 utc | 50
*** One simple solution for all the pro$titicians in positions of high orfices would be an obligation to wear patches on their bespoke suits. Those patches, would in the manner of Nascar Drivers, reveal the various special interests who OWN their collective a$$es.***
Excellent idea -- should be done in Britain as well.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 20 2024 22:52 utc | 89
I am so sick of zionists saying that they feel "unsafe", "unwelcome" or "discriminated against" because of pro-Palestinian protests, BDS, etc. Let's call out this behaviour for what it what it really is:
RUNNING INTERFERENCE FOR THE IDF SO IT CAN CONTINUE KILLING INNOCENTS UNABATED.
Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 20 2024 23:27 utc | 90
Maybe the giant fireball strike on the port in Yemen was maybe like the giant fireball in the port of Beirut, a nuclear threat? "Just in case you are having trouble imagining what would happen, let us give you a hint..."
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 20 2024 23:49 utc | 91
Sara_Haj 🇱🇧 ރ
@SaraahHaj
Southern Lebanon 🇱🇧
"We bloom from beneath the ashes" ~ he says
The man's house in border town of Kfarkila was destroyed by 'israel', but he's happy he was able to pick grapes from his vine which is still giving fruits despite falling.
My people's undefeatable spirit 💛
https://x.com/SaraahHaj/status/1814597331880235471
Posted by: Menz | Jul 21 2024 0:22 utc | 92
Arya - آریا 🇮🇷🏴
@AryJeay
Footage shows the launch of an Arrow-type interceptor in Eilat, a short time ago, reportedly trying to intercept a ballistic missile launched from Yeme
https://x.com/AryJeay/status/1814757498181603403
Posted by: Menz | Jul 21 2024 0:23 utc | 93
Sulaiman Ahmed
@ShaykhSulaiman
🇱🇧 BREAKING: HEZBOLLAH STRIKES IRON DOME PLATFORM:
''We carried out an air attack with a squadron of assault drones on artillery and missile positions in Zaoura, targeting the locations and settlement of its officers and soldiers and the Iron Dome platforms there. The marches hit their targets accurately and achieved confirmed casualties.
The air attack comes in response to the Israeli enemy’s attack against the Lebanese town of Safad al-Batikh, and in support of our steadfast Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip and in support of their brave and honorable resistance.''
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1814721040758505495
Posted by: Menz | Jul 21 2024 0:26 utc | 94
The crusader kingdoms in the Middle East folded, because the military cost outweighed the economic benefits.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 20 2024 20:38 utc | 82
As it will be with this, the last, crusader kingdom.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 21 2024 0:27 utc | 95
Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸
@jacksonhinklle
🚨🇮🇱🇱🇧 ISRAEL is now bombing LEBANON, after their strikes on Yemen earlier.
https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1814739933300404305
Posted by: Menz | Jul 21 2024 0:29 utc | 96
Iran Observer
@IranObserver0
⚡️BREAKING
Russia says it cannot remain an observer forever while Israel continues to escalate
"Israel, not Iran, is interested in escalation. I cannot make this any more clearer, Russia will not remain an observer and will take its responsibilities, look at Syria as an example" – Russian Foreign Minister
https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1814718298887491585
Posted by: Menz | Jul 21 2024 0:33 utc | 97
NorwayUN
@NorwayUN
🇳🇴 in #UNSC: ICJ is crystal clear: Israeli policies and practices are to be considered annexation of large parts of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. This is in violation of international law and must come to an end.
Statement: https://norway.no/en/missions/un
https://x.com/NorwayUN/status/1814665415664050599
Posted by: Menz | Jul 21 2024 0:35 utc | 98
@ Menz | Jul 21 2024 0:33 utc | 97 with the Russia FM stern words....thanks
The rubber is hitting the road....whew! Way past time.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 21 2024 1:02 utc | 99
Posted by: juliania | Jul 20 2024 11:50 utc | 23
“Were I to be the founder of a new sect, I would call them Apiarians and, after the example of the bee, advise them to extract the honey of every sect”(Thomas Jefferson)
Posted by: solvable | Jul 21 2024 1:23 utc | 100
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw0yw6gepelo
Headline Glasgow's Pride has raised concerns around plans for pro-Palestine protests at Saturday's parade.
In text:
'The Glasgow Greens said there was "no conflict between standing for a free Palestine and celebrating our queer identities".'
Posted by: phenon | Jul 20 2024 9:20 utc | 1