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July 31, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-180

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One thing leads to another. ACDC and ‘It’s a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll’ was very much my song when I was flying. A lot died and for whatever reason, I was doomed to live. Many flew staidly about like pregnant ducts, but still they died.
Getting down amongst the trees was what I liked. Using full stick and more. Full right stick on the ground and it was an inch or more from the GPS unit mounted over my right knee, but many times after a full on day, I would come back in and the knuckle on my right thumb would be skinned from hitting the GPS unit. Just memories now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1klG_HTv1c

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 11:01 utc | 101

@ Posted by: Honzo | Jul 31 2024 23:09 utc | 61
@ Posted by: Menz | Jul 31 2024 23:36 utc | 66
Absolutely delighted by your contributions keeping MoA highly informed and entertained.
You get free beers on me for covering the bar whilst the big guy is on R&R. Thanks.
Ps re Twatter/X-ite. Since the gob shite Kong Elon of Mars shut down access via browsers without having to register as a USER and therefore hand over lots of personal detail for AI harvest – I have not been following directly but via a ‘Nitter’ instance.
That allows the ability to see the tweets on their correct chronology and replies too.
Most of the time – until the Twattershitheads turn a particular instance off … but there are many ways to skin that fat cat twat.
Ps2 – What a fraud , he appears to have taken Maduros challenge to a fight because of his campaign against Venezuelan democracy on behalf of the ziofascist masters!
I look forward to the musk rat coming for hos Rumble in the Sabbana to get his weepy eyed slappable face smacked . Maybe he’ll arrive in one of his rockets at the top of Angel Falls and the pair can have unarmed hand to hand over that – bit like Sherlock and arch criminal Morriatti.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 1 2024 11:03 utc | 102

anon2020 | Aug 1 2024 10:53 utc | 100
They’re dumb as the Ukroids. Cannon fodder.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 11:08 utc | 103

@ PeterAU
> Triathletes Vomited After Swimming in the Seine
At least they didn’t eat the salmon mousse.
https://yandex.com/video/preview/241394855580956640
> I would come back in and the knuckle on my right thumb would be skinned from hitting the GPS unit.
Is it true that “it’s harder than it looks”?? 😉

Posted by: despondent | Aug 1 2024 11:09 utc | 104

@ Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 1 2024 5:04 utc | 87
Nah – this bar ain’t big enough for Fake Left/Right pseudo science/religious Narrative purveyors selling their old and new Zio created poisonous snake oils.
I invite such shit heads to dance when they push me.
It seems they don’t hang around much after that or they shut the fuck up.
So that we can carry on having a civilised piss up.
Be Seeing You 👌

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 1 2024 11:09 utc | 105

DunGroanin | Aug 1 2024 11:03 utc | 102
My money is on the bus driver.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 11:10 utc | 106

Peter, I loved Hendrix from the time I first heard him on the Woodstock Album in 1970. I was a 15 yo listening to The Devil’s music, according to my old man.
ACDC were great too.

Posted by: Menz | Aug 1 2024 11:44 utc | 107

“Imperial Japan at its height could not defeat China at its nadir, under Chiang Kai-shek and the warlords. The USA can’t defeat small countries like Vietnam. I really doubt they can defeat China in the 21st century.”
Posted by: lester | Jul 31 2024 18:59 utc | 33
That’s not quite correct , Lester; Chiang Kai-shek and the warlords teamed up with Mao and the Communists to defeat the Japanese.
See picture of Kai-Shek and Mao toasting victory below:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/bd1iqx/mao_zedong_and_chiang_kaishek_toasting_to/

Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2024 11:47 utc | 108

Nah – this bar ain’t big enough for Fake Left/Right pseudo science/religious Narrative purveyors selling their old and new Zio created poisonous snake oils.
I invite such shit heads to dance when they push me.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 1 2024 11:09 utc | 105
If that’s your characterization of bevin you can ram it DG.
If not and there’s a mix-up you can blame it on your writing style.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 1 2024 12:36 utc | 109

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 1 2024 10:53 utc | 100
You also have MSM. Confirming the transfer of Argentinian gold
https://english.elpais.com/economy-and-business/2024-07-28/the-mystery-of-argentinas-gold-milei-admits-that-it-was-transferred-abroad-without-specifying-the-quantities-or-destination.html#

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 1 2024 13:10 utc | 110

🚨🇩🇪🤯 German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock allegedly implicated in sex tourism scandal with an African escort, using public funds!
“She paid €2,500 to €3,500 per night, covering all travel expenses.”
A video has surfaced of an African escort, Kingsley, discussing his relationship with a high-profile client, believed to be Annalena Baerbock. He describes meetings in Nigeria, South Africa, and Côte d’Ivoire. “We met in Abuja in December 2022. She wore a beautiful purple dress,” Kingsley revealed.
The timeline aligns with Baerbock’s official trips. From Abuja in December 2022 to Pretoria in June 2023 and Abidjan in July 2024.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/26696

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 1 2024 13:44 utc | 111

🚨🇩🇪🤯 German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock allegedly implicated in sex tourism scandal with an African escort, using public funds!
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 1 2024 13:44 utc | 111
Good times when political problems were small misappropriation of funds, an escort here, a trip there…
Sweet von der Leyen stole millions in the defense ministry and billions in the commission. And let’s not talk about all the political decisions…

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 1 2024 13:53 utc | 112

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 1 2024 13:44 utc | 111
Baerbock is bad enough as it is. There is no need to post stupid stuff like that (I know you usually don’t).

Posted by: Cherrycoke | Aug 1 2024 14:07 utc | 113

from Army Times
Former Green Beret arrested for 2020 failed Venezuela raid

CARACAS, Venezuela — A former U.S. Green Beret who in 2020 organized a failed cross-border raid of Venezuelan army deserters to remove President Nicolás Maduro has been arrested in New York on federal arms smuggling charges.
A federal indictment unsealed this week in Tampa, Florida, accuses Jordan Goudreau and a Venezuelan partner, Yacsy Alvarez, of violating U.S. arms control laws when they allegedly assembled and sent to Colombia AR-styled weapons, ammo, night vision goggles and other defense equipment requiring a U.S. export license.
Goudreau, 48, also was charged with conspiracy, smuggling goods from the United States and unlawful possession of a machine gun, among 14 counts. He was being held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn.
. . . Despite the setbacks, the coup plotters went forward in a comical if tragic way in what became known as the Bay of Piglets. The group was easily mopped up by Venezuela’s security forces, which had already infiltrated the group. Two of Goudreau’s former Green Beret colleagues spent years in Venezuela’s prisons until a prisoner swap last year with other jailed Americans for a Maduro ally held in the U.S. on money laundering charges. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 1 2024 14:12 utc | 114

@Jane
To note:
UK is itself the end result of a long colonial reality.
Cromwell was not ‘particularly considerate’ of the Irish.
The Catholic church gifted Ireland to England.
The Scots historically lived in N. Ireland.
Now the Irish are busy guesting Ukrainians and rioting over middle-eastern migrants.
Are under heavy EU and American cultural influence, including right political and left sympathy for the ‘plight of jews’.
To note:
“Israel” synchretises with US “homeland” , the oppressed escaping to or being dumped onto a foreign land and then declaring their independence there.
That is also the US claim to authenticity, it was the fault of the ‘British’ and they expelled them, it was not the fault of US settlers, and after a few centuries it became a “fact on the ground” , a Lockian “the land belongs to those who work it”. “Israel” legitimacy is tied to US “legitimacy” , no matter how you (fairly) argue against it .
In the US the religious slant is of an “Israeli” “biblical homeland” , that reverse-morphs somehow into justification of settlement of the US . For if jews are able to settle by displacement using biblical context, then settling by displacement is acceptable, which includes US. It is a self justifying argument.
That is the level of argument you are up against, besides ‘it is ours now’ or ‘what solution do you have then’ , the latter being used for all sort of political chicanery that actually fuels social fragmentation and centralised authority.
So it is an impasse, and until society honestly absorbs its historical reality with understanding, the US will remain confused towards the world and at odds with itself.
I will not take this up in discussion here, will leave others to if it suits them…

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 1 2024 14:24 utc | 115

Anyone know what (US) State Department Dash 8 aircraft are used for?
A few hours ago there were a couple of them flying over Israel, Jordan and apparently over Iraq near the Iranian border. Also a RAF Voyager RRR9958 from Akrotiri in Cyprus, but the tracking disappeared over Jordan IIRC.

Posted by: billb | Aug 1 2024 14:28 utc | 116

re: ADIZ
news
Two Russian Tu-95 bombers conducted a 10-hour flight over the Sea of Japan, entering Japan’s Air Defense Identification Zone, three times on Tuesday with Japan scrambling its fighters in response. Two Russian Tu-95 bombers and two fighter aircraft flew in from Russia Tuesday and headed eastward over the Sea of Japan before changing course off the Oki Islands archipelago to head north toward home, according to a Wednesday Japan’s Joint Staff Office release.
also
NORAD detected, tracked, and intercepted two Russian TU-95 and two PRC H-6 military aircraft operating in the Alaska Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) on July 24, 2024. NORAD fighter jets from the United States and Canada conducted the intercept.
US policy
An ADIZ is a transition zone in which aircraft are identified and if necessary ‘controlled’ by air traffic and defense authorities. The U.S. Navy’s Commander’s Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations states that the ADIZ applies only to commercial aircraft intending to enter U.S. sovereign airspace, with a basis in international law of “the right of a nation to establish reasonable conditions of entry into its territory”. “The United States does not recognize any claim by a state to apply its air defense identification zone (ADIZ) procedures to foreign aircraft not intending to enter national airspace, nor does the United States apply its ADIZ procedures to foreign aircraft not intending to enter U.S. airspace.” . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 1 2024 14:40 utc | 117

re: Trump on war
from The Hill

Defense-minded GOP senators viewed Trump’s invitation to Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán to visit him at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida after the NATO summit in Washington as a worrisome development, given Orbán’s close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin and his efforts to undermine NATO’s support for the defense of Ukraine.
GOP senators who support U.S. involvement in the war in Ukraine were dismayed when Trump selected Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio), who led the opposition to the Ukrainian assistance package, as his running mate.
And Senate Republicans are feeling uneasy about Trump’s assertion that Taiwan should pay more for its defense and refusal to commit to defending the island. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 1 2024 14:49 utc | 118

@ DunGroanin | Jul 31 2024 22:26 utc | 56
that is a funny thought – bevin as sockpuppet of b, lol… you can’t be serious… funny enough bevin responded to one of roger boyds substack posts yesterday.. he’s still around, just hasn’t come back to moa just yet..

Posted by: james | Aug 1 2024 14:53 utc | 119

A thaw in India-China relations will benefit BRICS and aggrevate US:
https://www.indianpunchline.com/winds-of-change-in-india-china-relations/
Ever since his reelection Modi has changed course away from US, much to my surprise. Multipolar world more real every day.
About the argentinean gold: when Germany tried in 2013 to repatriate it’s gold from New York, they had to back paddle quickly. Only 300 tonnes were brought back to Germany, over 1.200 tonnes of german gold still lies in New York and Germany was denied access to the vault to check the existence of the gold. The Merkel govt. grudgingly had to utter that the US is a trusted partner and it was reasonable to leave the gold in New York. However the process had started with the claim to repatriate everything.

Posted by: Ham | Aug 1 2024 14:55 utc | 120

” over 1.200 tonnes of german gold still lies in New York ”
Posted by: Ham | Aug 1 2024 14:55 utc | 120
How do you know2?
The 300 tonnes of Au Germany did get back were NOT the bullion that the US kept in trust!
Personally, I think all that gold is long gone-it only exists on paper.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2024 16:06 utc | 121

“Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 31 2024 16:25 utc | 13
True words. It’s my love for Australia that makes me so angry about the way that it is mismanaged, sold cheap, poorly governed, hollowed out, embezzled and kept in a permanent state of adolescence. I’d give anything to see a Keating or Whitlam back at the helm. For all their flaws they believed in the possibility of a sovereign Australia acting in its own interests and all its people. I fear that we’ll never outgrow our settler parochialism, our narrow horizons and our colonial self-loathing.”
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 31 2024 22:46 utc | 58
I feel the exact same way about Canada.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2024 16:09 utc | 122

Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2024 16:09 utc | 122
…….I fear that we’ll never outgrow our settler parochialism, our narrow horizons and our colonial self-loathing.”
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 31 2024 22:46 utc | 58
(canuck:) I feel the exact same way about Canada.

That’s by far the best one-line description of what living in Halifax, Nova Scotia felt like as have ever read.
Maybe it has changed in the past twenty years with internet etc. but unlikely…

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 1 2024 16:24 utc | 123

Menz | Aug 1 2024 9:07 utc | 97
Hendrix. There is a video of an interview with Angus Young. He talked about all those earlier american guitarists that had influenced him. Quite a different person to what is seen onstage with ACDC. But he talked about all those early American guitarists and would ‘knock out’ a few notes that captured them perfectly.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 10:34 utc | 99
In London Ontario in 1980 I saw Ac DC.
I was 16 there was six of us in a Chey Blazer and Drifty (we called him Drifty in the summer when he was working and had money as he was drinking and smoking pot manically-in winter when he was broke we called him ‘Thrifty’ as he would go to ashtrays at parties to smoke cigarette butts-he hated when we called him, ‘Thrifty’) well Drifty told us the mirror in his dad’s new truck (they were all across the whole top of the truck were fool proof for blind spots as me merged onto the 401-a major highway- and voila he missed a black van in the apparently not vanquished ‘blind spot’- he swerved violently and I thought it was over but he got control and we got to the concert-but Thrifty wouldn’t make it-as we smoked weed in the truck before the show the local cops arrested Thrifty , took the all weed and took Thrifty to jail-he gave me the keys .
Itwas in a 4,000 seat arena and I and my buddy Rob’ O’Leary managed to scoot up to the press box where we had to ourselves and a magnificent view of the band and danced our asses off.
One of the best concerts I have ever seen-here are my top concerts in no particular order.
Lou Reed- 1987, 2011
Rush -1979, 1981, 1984
Neil Young-saw him say 10 times
B 52’s 1980
Ac Dc 1980
The Who 1982
Bruce Colborne 1991
Rolling Stones 1980, 1996
Elton John 1982
David Bowie 1985
Steve Ray Vaughn -three weeks before he died-1991?

Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2024 16:26 utc | 124

“PS can you confirm you are not the sock puppet bevin?
It’s a curious coincidence of absence.
Whilst all look forward to your regular return some appear to be missing him/her/it.
😉 me …not so much.”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 31 2024 22:26 utc | 56
I know that idea is not correct.
If it were so I would’ve been banned permanently from this site a long time ago.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2024 16:31 utc | 125

Honzo: Thank you for the replies. Overall, it seems to me there is the fundamental notion of institutional continuity as somehow a property of faceless bureaucrats, regardless of who’s hiring the top administrators. The continuity is not so much in the middle managers of the CIA, for instance, especially those who live on their paychecks, as in the many institutions controlled ultimately by money. The Dulles CIA may have started the anti-Communist Russian studies institutions, for instance, but those have continued, funded also by wealthy donors. The notorious revolving door of academics, lawyers, businessmen and political appointees have been molded by those apparently outside interests. Things like the Council on Foreign Relations or the Foreign Policy Association, less well known groups like the Truman Project or Robert Farley’s outfit at UK or the Navy League, all are part of the true institutional continuity. The role in foreign policy of ostensible business groups like McKinsey or Carlyle Group are overlooked all too often I think. The ability of middle managers to resist “mere” political appointees reflects their ties to money men and their political, is a product of those ties. They are not parasites on the public payroll in the sense their expropriation of tax dollars gives them power. In the US, no one who thought patronage could substitute for a broad base of support in those wider institutions (once called “civil society) has ever been successful. Not Andrew Jackson, not Van Buren, not Tyler, not Fillmore. And that was when there was a lot less money to fight.
In my view Trump is just another one of the money men and all his disputes, such as they were, were over merely tactical/strategic. In addition to this continuity not just being bureaucrats, which is very often just a conservative swear word, the pattern is for changes to occur through an inside/outside process. Things like the infamous Powell memo, policy programs like Mandate for Leadership or Project 2025 or PNAC, are how institutional changes occur. They are never the people uprising against vile bureaucrats, they act for the ruling class. It is forgotten now that the “DNC” has been demonized but trying to change the institutional culture of a political party also involves such complex mobilizations. Back in the day, an outfit called the Democratic Leadership Conference, was a mechanism where the institutional continuity to impute to far too narrow a selection of officeholders, did away with the old liberalism, in favor of the emerging neoliberal consensus. (There hasn’t been a liberal president since LBJ. If you protest that LBJ was the Vietnam war as well as Voting Rights Act, well, the progressive nature of liberalism has been much exaggerated in my judgment.)
On the specific questions of Korean peace, I still think your elaborate hypotheses about what Trump would have done if only, rely far too much on mindreading plus an alternative history on top of that. Maybe, maybe, maybe…but I still think BSing Kim about actual negotiations is very much Art of the Deal. On Afghanistan, Biden was quite honest that the withdrawal was redeployment. The Taliban did not defeat the US army, it defeated the puppets after the US army cut them off and I think that refutes you. Your version puts effect before cause, which I reject. As to the wall, the “defense” seems to be the Deep State didn’t want a wall because, insert nefarious reasons, not that the project failed because it was fundamentally stupid and expensive and counterproductive to some rather visible, surface interests. And oh yes, rather cruel, though that is a plus for MoA commentariat.
On the very general issue of a civilizational/cultural continuity in esoteric tradition. My limited reading in that literature (decades ago) suggested to me that the writers were deliberately syncretistic, which one could view as faking a continuity that didn’t actually exist, was purely imaginary, however much it borrowed old tropes. I don’t think there really is a Deep State of esoterica. I think Deep State theorists overlook the Visibles, who are camouflauged not buried, for the good reason the underground has limited access to the halls of power because they are underground. And this Deep State theory of Illuminati or Free Masons (or Jews in many versions of this kind of thinking) similarly overlooks the obvious: Organized religions. They are genuinely powerful, and their continuity is not based on some supernatural power to subvert, but a vast panoply of property and privileges (in the more useful sense of legal privilege!) on a vast scale for long periods of time. Even there you can see visible changes in specific denominations, if you are familiar with them. The history of the Southern Baptist Convention on slavery and abortion is a piece of evidence against overemphasizing the role of institutional continuity, precisely because in the US, separation of church and state have limited the true roots of continuity: Inherited property. Or so I think.
Thanks again, for the clarifications.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 1 2024 17:43 utc | 126

There was recently some exchange of comments on whether all government statements are fictional, including even government economic statistics. The claim they are no more reliable than the DoD figures on Russian casualties was and is a huge claim. In my opinion, the defenses of this extravagance were not effective.
But, by coincidence, the economist Michael Roberts has posted a useful discussion of the Federal Reserve’s decision not to lower the Federal Funds rate, maybe in September. Along the way, he discusses inflation statistics in a very useful way. There is a difference between writing fiction and deliberately being confusing that has escaped too many of the commenters in that exchange I think. This should be very informative: https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2024/08/01/the-fed-fails/

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 1 2024 17:48 utc | 127

“Honzo: Thank you for the replies. Overall, it seems to me there is the fundamental notion of institutional continuity as somehow a property of faceless bureaucrats, regardless of who’s hiring the top administrators. The continuity is not so much in the middle managers of the CIA, for instance, especially those who live on their paychecks, as in the many institutions controlled ultimately by money. The Dulles CIA may have started the anti-Communist Russian studies institutions, for instance, but those have continued, funded also by wealthy donors. The notorious revolving door of academics, lawyers, businessmen and political appointees have been molded by those apparently outside interests. Things like the Council on Foreign Relations or the Foreign Policy Association, less well known groups like the Truman Project or Robert Farley’s outfit at UK or the Navy League, all are part of the true institutional continuity. The role in foreign policy of ostensible business groups like McKinsey or Carlyle Group are overlooked all too often I think. The ability of middle managers to resist “mere” political appointees reflects their ties to money men and their political, is a product of those ties. They are not parasites on the public payroll in the sense their expropriation of tax dollars gives them power. In the US, no one who thought patronage could substitute for a broad base of support in those wider institutions (once called “civil society) has ever been successful. Not Andrew Jackson, not Van Buren, not Tyler, not Fillmore. And that was when there was a lot less money to fight.”
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 1 2024 17:43 utc | 126
Blah, blah, blah blah, blah, blah balh, blah; the Western political and financial system have been controlled by the West since 1694-the machinations of how that has is accomplished and is executed today are de minimums details.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2024 18:14 utc | 128

billb@116….small regional passenger jets, I think made by Bombardier. I’m flying on one, Dash 8, next week. Vancouver to Comox, short trip jets.
Military might have different use….hmm, like renditions, or ISIS
Regional Commuters, quick delivery to pending terrorist hot spots.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 1 2024 18:25 utc | 129

I believe Dash 8 are in use with the SF.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 1 2024 19:10 utc | 130

Honzo @ 50
All your presumptions (and please, you are making some grand leaps here, not working “just the facts”) work just as well if the entire charade is played out without using any real bullets. Since the play’s the thing, why risk using real bullets? Someone might get hurt.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 1 2024 19:17 utc | 131

@ sean the leprechaun | Aug 1 2024 18:25 utc | 129
how long are you in comox for?? i have a gig this weekend and on the 15th..

Posted by: james | Aug 1 2024 19:50 utc | 132

All your presumptions (and please, you are making some grand leaps here, not working “just the facts”) work just as well if the entire charade is played out without using any real bullets. Since the play’s the thing, why risk using real bullets? Someone might get hurt.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 1 2024 19:17 utc | 131
Oooh, did you roll your eyes like a little bitch when you wrote that?
Are you claiming that there were no real bullets and nobody got hurt? If so, you have passed completely into the post-truth agnosticism that the CIA has been striving for since it came into existence. If you have evidence that the fireman shot in the head was not shot in the head and is still alive, please present it.
My post @50 does not suggest that the Butler event was ‘staged.’ My claim is that while the very top of the pyramid may have very unified interests and a pretty unified idea of how to promote them, the actual work is done by hierarchies of minions, and there are many such hierarchies, either nested, parallel or synergistic (ideally), and that the minion that actually make these hierarchies function have interests that are not congruent to those of the people at the top. Most of them have no idea who the people at the top are, or what their interests are, and even when they know who the people above them are, they don’t necessarily choose to follow their orders when their own interests are compromised by doing so. So, they break with the plan, do their own thing to protect themselves, and other minions are set in motion to stop them.
When the CIA killed JFK, they were carrying out the will of the PTB (who were directly involved in creating the agency). When elements of the SS and the Pa state police attempted to kill Trump, they likely believed they were doing the work of the supreme power, because that’s who they think the Clinton/Obama/Biden gang represents- and when the Blue Team apparatchiks made sure Biden was elected, that was about half correct- but opinion in the PTB is very much against Blue Team because they won’t stop prosecuting the war in Ukraine- which will cost them the victory they already had in 2023 over Europe- and they won’t stop backing unlimited atrocities by the Zionist Entity, which could lead to the kind of economic crisis in the US that could create the kind of crisis that the PTB might not survive, not to mention the prospect of nuclear war. Team Blue is out of control, though, all in on its wars, because the leadership is extremely vulnerable to jail time, which they probably wouldn’t survive, if they lose their grip on power. They probably could have just gone quietly into the night in 2020, but they thought they could win vs the powers above them, and they might be right. I don’t think this is going to end whether or not Trump is assassinated or returns to the White House, because Trump is a figurehead for Team Red with very little control over anything.

Posted by: Honzo | Aug 1 2024 20:04 utc | 133

Posted by: Q-lander | Jul 31 2024 23:31 utc | 65
Yes, Australia lost more men per capita than any other nation in WW1. And for what? Imagine what might have been… but we’ll keep doing it. What a tragedy.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 1 2024 20:04 utc | 134

Patroklos | Aug 1 2024 20:04 utc | 134
Those little towns along the Townsville to Mount Isa line, the Flinders highway, small towns like Julia Creek and Richmond. I was in that area from about 17 till jut before I turned 21. Very wide main streets for turning bullock wagons.
In the center of each town was a war memorial with a long list of names. They would have been busy towns back in the day, the stockmen, the shearers, the fettlers, the bullockies and so forth but…. those long lists of names for such small towns.
It was a bit staggering when I first saw those memorials and numbers from those owns that had died.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 20:26 utc | 135

#121 cannuck

Personally, I think all that gold is long gone-it only exists on paper.

Yes, that was the insinuation when I stated that german experts were denied access to the vault. About the 300 tonnes, I read somewhere that reminting is standard practice. I’m no expert so I wont judge the validity of this.

Posted by: Ham | Aug 1 2024 20:28 utc | 136

Overall, it seems to me …
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 1 2024 17:43 utc | 126
I think the points you raise actually confirm my position. The institutions are interlocked, and the various institutions of economic and state power are occupied by people from the Academic/educational complex, which is in turn supported/controlled by the economic and state power institutions. The faceless bureaucrats have been indoctrinated to support the current perspective, and it creates a major impediment to change from above, unless there is a lot of lead time in the ‘cultural/educational’ sectors. It’s pretty clear that the whole Identity Politics schema was introduced a bit at a time since at least the sixties in a very organized and coherent way, for instance, and an early part of this was capturing the entertainment complex and the academic complex. It has taken fifty years to bring that project to the current, hopefully final, point. BUT, without completely dismantling those institutions and rebuilding them in their entirety, it will take a similar amount of time to change the institutional culture there. Perhaps shorter with a thorough decapitation of the institutions and rapid promotion of the Red Team 20-somethings, but it would require a much harsher and more overt application of power to do that than the insidious methods that led us to Wokism as we know it.
Honzo
On the specific questions of Korean peace,
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 1 2024 17:43 utc | 126
I did not intend to project the impression I knew what Trump would have done. What people want to do and what they actually do are often very different things, but we really don’t know what Trump would have done if the Pentagon and the State Department had gone along with his initiatives. It is quite possible that at the end of the day, Trump would not have reached an agreement with Kim. I am only suggesting that Trump had very strong reasons to find a way to reach agreement with Kim- greater, really, than Kim’s reasons for reaching an agreement with Trump. But, in any case, the project was foredoomed by the intransigence of the Deep State.
Honzo
On the very general issue of a civilizational/cultural continuity in esoteric tradition. My limited reading in that literature (decades ago) suggested to me that the writers were deliberately syncretistic, which one could view as faking a continuity that didn’t actually exist, was purely imaginary, however much it borrowed old tropes.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 1 2024 17:43 utc | 126
If you think the esoteric traditions and mystery cults began with writers of the modern west, you haven’t studied the history very closely. One of their features has been, since ancient times, to tell initiates some ‘truths,’ and later tell them contradictory ‘truths’ stepwise up the ladder. This is a pretty good mechanism for protecting institutional continuity. It makes it very difficult for ‘the wrong people’ however defined to come to power.
I am not suggesting that there is an esoteric Deep State. It’s a parallel hierarchy- more probably, several parallel hierarchies. I would suggest that it relates to the Deep State in essentially the same way as the Academic complex, except that its target demographic is loftier than the day-to-day operatives of the Deep State. Mystery cults in the ancient Mediterranean cultures were schools for various kinds of leadership, including kingship. The Mithra Cult in ancient Rome was massive, focused on military matters- and it suddenly ‘disappeared.’ It wasn’t purged, there was no war, it simply vanished. Or- it turned into the Catholic Church. It’s at least as reasonable as Trotskyites becoming neocons.
I would suggest that not all religions are mystery cults and that not all that are remain so throughout their institutional lives. Especially protestant sects in which anyone can play- it makes no sense to organize a Southern Baptist mystery cult, but that doesn’t mean that important people in the hierarchy aren’t members/operatives of a mystery cult. In the US, everybody and their brother tried to join some equivalent of the Masonic Lodge, even to the extent of inventing their own. Fraternal Societies were huge for a century or so, and very influential in the business and political spheres. These are by no means all the same thing. The Shriners are not the Illuminati. But they may be a recruiting ground for more occulted organizations.

Posted by: Honzo | Aug 1 2024 20:44 utc | 137

Posted by: Q-lander | Jul 31 2024 23:31 utc | 65
Yes, Australia lost more men per capita than any other nation in WW1. And for what? Imagine what might have been… but we’ll keep doing it. What a tragedy.
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 1 2024 20:04 utc | 134
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Bullshit, you stupid ozzy smarterthaneveryoneelse –
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Conflict/War/World-War-I/Deaths-as-percent-of-population
The poms even suffered more than oz. Most colonials were fighting for mother england because that is where they or a parent or two were born. But they didn’t better old blighty’s contibution.
Maybe “we’ll keep doing it” because your brains heads are no less full of hubristic shit than muricans and many canucks.

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 1 2024 20:59 utc | 138

Honzo@137 Thanks again for clarification. The seemingly sudden disappearance of the Mystery Cults or Mithraism had a great deal to do with the expropriation and closure of temples (which by the way some of which were banks and/or government archives) by the emperors after Constantine, with Theodosius striking the final blows if I remember correctly. Culture to me is a way of life, not just a disembodied set of ideas—it is horribly difficult to communicate our personal ideas to others. It requires a material basis, all the more when facing opponents armed with legal privileges and tax support and state power to repress public expression of any sort. You can’t have higher level initiates when you can’t recruit neophytes. But I may be prejudiced, my brother-in-law is a Shriner while my son is inactive.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 1 2024 21:03 utc | 139

Per capita losses WWI
https://brilliantmaps.com/ww1-casualties/
Apart from that Hobo3, take your petty hatreds and shove em.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 21:08 utc | 140

“Honzo@137 Thanks again for clarification. The seemingly sudden disappearance of the Mystery Cults or Mithraism had a great deal to do with the expropriation and closure of temples (which by the way some of which were banks and/or government archives) by the emperors after Constantine, with Theodosius striking the final blows if I remember correctly. Culture to me is a way of life, not just a disembodied set of ideas—it is horribly difficult to communicate our personal ideas to others. It requires a material basis, all the more when facing opponents armed with legal privileges and tax support and state power to repress public expression of any sort. You can’t have higher level initiates when you can’t recruit neophytes. But I may be prejudiced, my brother-in-law is a Shriner while my son is inactive.”
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 1 2024 21:03 utc | 139
I disagree.
The cult of Mithras thrived in the 3rd century AD because Rome was falling apart-a militaristic cult was needed to establish control-after Diocletian the Empire was secured allowing the less milatristic Christin religion to thrive.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2024 21:15 utc | 141

#121 cannuck
Personally, I think all that gold is long gone-it only exists on paper.
“Yes, that was the insinuation when I stated that german experts were denied access to the vault. About the 300 tonnes, I read somewhere that reminting is standard practice. I’m no expert so I wont judge the validity of this.”
Posted by: Ham | Aug 1 2024 20:28 utc | 136
No reminting is not a standard practice though that is idea is disseminated profusely.
If a Sovereign places .999 Au in a NY vault why in the Hell would it have to be re-minted?
Only because the Fed has sold or collaterised (a Jewish banking trick) the original Au material and is supplying part of it back to keep some semblance of credibility.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2024 21:21 utc | 142

@ canuck | Aug 1 2024 21:15 utc | 141
You know waay too much Roman history. 🙂
“You’re a Roman, [Canuck]! Or, you should’ve been one.”
– proconsul Claudius Marcus

Posted by: despondent | Aug 1 2024 21:31 utc | 143

“Posted by: Q-lander | Jul 31 2024 23:31 utc | 65
Yes, Australia lost more men per capita than any other nation in WW1. And for what? Imagine what might have been… but we’ll keep doing it. What a tragedy.
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 1 2024 20:04 utc | 134
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Bullshit, you stupid ozzy smarterthaneveryoneelse –
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Conflict/War/World-War-I/Deaths-as-percent-of-population
The poms even suffered more than oz. Most colonials were fighting for mother england because that is where they or a parent or two were born. But they didn’t better old blighty’s contibution.
Maybe “we’ll keep doing it” because your brains heads are no less full of hubristic shit than muricans and many canucks.”
Posted by: Ново З | Aug 1 2024 20:59 utc | 138
hobo3 your primitive attack on Patrolkos is neither accurate or civil.
Of all the non geo non participant countries ie not in EUROPE-New Zealand, Australia followed by Canada suffered the worst.
You are not an idiot, but you are very uncivil-if you want your ideas to get proper reargd I would strongly suggest a bit more diplomacy.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2024 21:37 utc | 144

Maduro has made what I read as a warning that violence maybe used against reactionary players. About time.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 1 2024 21:38 utc | 145

Suresh | Aug 1 2024 21:38 utc | 145
Lessons can certainly be learned from Ukraine. The American proxies need to be put down with whatever force is required.
It seems to have fizzled a bit now so a matter of waiting to see if it will escalate or simply disappear like the morning mist on a sunny day.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 21:47 utc | 146

Apart from that Hobo3, take your petty hatreds and shove em.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 21:08 utc | 140
OK, Pete, bend over and spread ’em!
One hopes that given the aforementioned statistics Patroklos et al are capable of revising their certitudes.

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 1 2024 22:22 utc | 147

Ново З | Aug 1 2024 22:22 utc | 147
I’ve never caught on to what shit hole you emerged from, or perhaps you have never said. You seem to be a loyal pommy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 22:31 utc | 148

Ново З
The majority of the slaughter on all sides seems to have occurred in the first two years. The brits from the sums an ghettos of London and other industrial centers in Britain were fed into the slaughter. Very poor quality leadership and dumb as dogshit cannon fodder.
Here in oz, the main casualties were from the pastoral areas of huge sheep and cattle runs. Many itinerant workers but an entirely different breed than those from the slums of England. It was at some period, basically after those first two years, Australia began taking more control over its forces and disposing with the British lords and so forth.
But even WWII. Singapore, the Malay peninsular. The Brits ran like rabbits leaving the flank wide open and giving the Aussies and Gurkha’s no option but to make a fighting retreat. Stop, ambush, then retreat before the Japanese came around them in the vacant space left by the Brits. They fought all the way back to Singapore then the brits promptly surrendered to an inferior force.
Useless poms.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 23:14 utc | 149

From what I can make out, in WWI days and I think WWII, Canadians and Australians were pretty much the same. Canada though having a larger population base. Different from the Brits. The Americans were different again.
My grandfathers battalion seems to have had a photographer and in his stuff, I found a small tin box with maybe a couple of hundred photos. Their battalion was with the Americans when they broke through the Hindenburg line which apparently ended the war. A number of photos of that and the days afterward with writing on the back.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 23:43 utc | 150

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 1 2024 20:59 utc | 138
Thanks for sharing those WWI deaths-per-capita statistics. What I find most interesting is that both Australia and the UK lost more than 10 times per capita than the USA. And Canada lost about 7 times more per capita. And Serbia lost about 100 times more per capita than any of them. Not sure if that website’s stats are really reliable or not, but I assume that i round figures it probably is.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 1 2024 23:56 utc | 151

Correction: Serbia lost over 100 times more per capita than USA, but only 6-20 times more than Aus or UK or Canada.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 2 2024 0:04 utc | 152

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 23:43 utc | 150
My paternal grandfather was a USA soldier in WWI, he returned unharmed. He was a 2nd-generation ethnic German + German-speaking Swiss. His church at the time still conducted many services in the German language. There was a huge amount of anti-German propaganda at the time. Maybe worse than the ubiquitous anti-Russian propaganda now in USA. He was drafted into the military. He never bragged about his “service”. Here’s a Google AI snippet about WWI conscription:

The Selective Service Act of 1917 required men between the ages of 21 and 45 to register for military service. In August 1918, Congress amended the act to lower the age range to 18 and eliminate voluntary enlistment. By the end of the war, 2.8 million men had been drafted, and 2 million had volunteered, making up more than half of the 4.8 million Americans who served.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 2 2024 0:28 utc | 153

For anyone interested, here is an article about the anti-German propaganda in the lead-up to USA entrance into WWI. Keep in mind this was all happening about 80-90 years prior to the advent of the internet. And about 30 years prior to the dominance of television…
https://library.sewanee.edu/c.php?g=118671&p=773217

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 2 2024 1:12 utc | 154

“Those little towns along the Townsville to Mount Isa line, the Flinders highway, small towns like Julia Creek and Richmond. I was in that area from about 17 till jut before I turned 21.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 20:26 utc | 135
I was in Townsville for a week or so in May of 2008 for work. A few random observations…
– taxi ride from airport to hotel was interesting. Shared part of the ride with a happy and loquacious woman who was clearly a bit drunk. Taxi driver informed me she was an aboriginal. She called me “nice American boy”, recognized my accent.
– Townsville struck me as very clean and safe. I walked around with no fear.
– There was some kind of military-appreciation holiday one day and I was impressed that people still respected it, military guys in full-dress in a parade around the port area.
– I had a really great time visiting the Great Barrier Reef, snorkeling, and spending some time on Magnetic Island. Met a very nice and intelligent woman from Melbourne, who looked really great in her bathing suit, on the tourist Reef-diving boat, and managed to get dinner with her. Tried to get more, but failed.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 2 2024 1:51 utc | 155

Wisco
I haven’t really studied the propaganda used in Australia at that time. Would have been the same as Britain I assume. That was less than 15 years after federation. Monarch of England as today the head of state. I dug copies of all mu grandfathers military records at the Australian war memorial site. On his enlistment papers he had signed up to serve King and Country or something along those lines.
From your link – “The Germans never fully understood that the effective propaganda against them capitalized on emotions, immediately understood terms, and vague ideas.”
Propaganda is largely unchanged to this day and mostly no more sophisticated yet people still believe it. It is surprising to me how shallow many people are.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2024 2:31 utc | 156

“@ canuck | Aug 1 2024 21:15 utc | 141
You know waay too much Roman history. 🙂
“You’re a Roman, [Canuck]! Or, you should’ve been one.”
– proconsul Claudius Marcus”
Posted by: despondent | Aug 1 2024 21:31 utc | 143
Thank you; when I was 8 years old (1970) I read Taylor Caldwell’s, ‘A Pillar of Iron” (recommended by my Mother, a biography of Marcus Tullius Cicero) and I have been hooked on Roman History ever since…the next volumes read were Edward Gibbons , “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”-I was living on a farm with two shitty Canadian TV channels on a 12″ shitty black and white TV so……
I am glad I was impoverished with entertainment when I was young -if I was growing up today I would know all the Taylor Swift’s lyrics but nothing of the history of Rome….
I got lucky….

Posted by: canuck | Aug 2 2024 3:04 utc | 157

Wisco | Aug 2 2024 1:51 utc | 155
A fairly large military base in Townsville. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavarack_Barracks
Might have been Anzac day though could have been something else with the military presence there.
A bout a year in the trenches of France and My grandfather wrote in his diary “Never again will we leave these sunny shores to fight another foreign war”.
Apparently he never spoke about the war when he returned, did not go to battalion reunions or anything like that.
Father inlaw similar. He was in an airfield defence crew and after New Guinea with the Americans as they island hopped across the pacific. The only thing he would talk about was defending the airfield from returning US aircraft. Apparently they had some success at that so the Americans booted them out and went it alone.
Another an uncle a few years older than me, he was sent to Vietnam as a conscript. He never spoke about it and never went to any unit reunions or anything like that.
The term “Lest we forget” is used with many of the WWI memorials, on AZAC day and that sort of thing, but the absolute futility of war, and Australians going away to fight in foreign wars is long since forgotten even by the people that say those words on Anzac day.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2024 3:05 utc | 158

lex talionis | Aug 1 2024 3:52 utc | 86
about German important writers – I am surprised that names of Oswald Spengler and Frank Thiess were not dropped.

Posted by: fanto | Aug 2 2024 3:08 utc | 159

“Might have been Anzac day…”
It wasn’t Anzax Day because that is on April 28. I was there in May. I know when I was there because the big and unusual tornado that ripped Windsor, Colorado happened while I was in Canberra, and I went to Townsville shortly thereafter. I saw the news on TV about the Windsor tornado while I was at a hotel in Canberra.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 2 2024 3:17 utc | 160

Wisco | Aug 2 2024 3:17 utc | 160
Tried a dew searches using that date, and nothing turned, also no annual events. Only date I found that could be connected was the 29th of April, which at some point was recognized as the end point for Australia’s involvement in Vietnam. A lot of Australians left from Townsville. Other than that, I haven’t a clue what it would have been.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2024 3:37 utc | 161

Chinese swimmers were subject to five times more dope test than gringo/Aussie, snubbed by Anglophone counterparts.
China’s 100m free style swimmer Pan Zhanle answered these insult with a WR shattering 46-40 win, leading the field with a full body length !
What a sweet way to shut up the haters !

Posted by: denk | Aug 2 2024 3:41 utc | 162

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2024 3:37 utc | 161
Another thing I do remember from the Canberra hotel is the amazing schnitzel. Nobody even knows anymore what “schnitzel” is supposed to mean in the USA now. But I sure enjoyed it in my time in Aus.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 2 2024 3:54 utc | 163

I’ve heard that Aussies affectionately (or not) call schnitzel “shnitty”. Lol.
Are you all vegans now and obligated to hate shnitty and other delicious meats?

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 2 2024 4:10 utc | 164

‘Chinese swimmers were subject to five times more dope test than gringo/Aussie, snubbed by Anglophone counterparts.”
Posted by: denk | Aug 2 2024 3:41 utc | 162
USA media tried to imbue a Taiwan tranny with the hate-label “Chinese”. Saw that today

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 2 2024 4:16 utc | 165

Wisco | Aug 2 2024 3:54 utc | 163
I’ve never been to America so cannot compare first hand. A mate has been a few time but just to a bog automotive show or something that is held annually. Lot of different venders there and he would come back with a small collection of tools and whatever.
Knew another bloke that worked in the US for awhile. He was the son of old Jerry that I spent a wet season with in the Kimberly’s. He worked for some rancher who would go up into the mountains catching wild bulls. Only every narrow trail winding up the top of the mountain. It must have been relative flat topped and large.
He had an interesting way of getting the bulls down of the mountain. He had a number of donkeys he would corn feed and take them up the mountain well. This was all horseback stuff. They would spend a few days roping bulls and tying them to trees.
After being tied to a tree with the rope around their horns for a few days, the bulls would get to where they could be led with the head rope. They would tie the bulls to the donkeys and if they tried charging the donkeys give them a kicking. The donkeys would wander around on the mountain for a few days grazing and water then head down the mountain with the bull in tow for a feed of corn.
They would also lead a small number of bulls down the mountain that were not tied to donkeys. The bulls had to be well quietened and leading well before that could be attempted. Apparently a number of people had been killed coming down the mountain when the bulls took them over the edge.
That American style roping is not something that is done here apart from rodeos but Mick got pretty good at from his time in the US. He would have the rope whistling when he threw it. Won the Derby rodeo calf roping fairly easily.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2024 4:21 utc | 166

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 2 2024 4:16 utc | 165
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The NYT etc etc are playing up the Chinese dope ‘scandal’ big time, even YT vid are full of snide comments like this..

Its called testosterone injections
Its as embarrassing as the man beating up a lady for the gold medal in boxing

Sore losers all.

Posted by: denk | Aug 2 2024 4:33 utc | 167

b wrote about this some years back when Biden crew brought in the ‘diversity’ rubbish to sports. I think b wrote at the time that it effectively ended women’s sports. This Olympics? the French debauchery, two males competing – competing is the wrong word for it – in women’s boxing.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-02/paris-olympics-boxer-quits-mid-fight-amidst-gender-arguments/104173584

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2024 4:38 utc | 168

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2024 4:21 utc | 166
The one and only time I got in a fight that cost me was against an arrogant cowboy and a rodeo guy who was in my dormitory. I knocked him out with a single hard straight left. Got kicked out of the dormitory for it. I felt bad, we were both a bit drunk and underage. Kids.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 2 2024 4:39 utc | 169

Pelham
@Resist_05
Argentinian President Milei has begun shipping part of Argentina’s supply of two million troy ounces of gold, valued at about $4.5 billion to Rothschild & Co private banking group in London.
https://x.com/Resist_05/status/1818832864496304455

Posted by: Menz | Aug 2 2024 4:45 utc | 170

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2024 4:38 utc | 168
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In this case the losers were accusing Pan won by injecting testosterone to gain a massive advantage over the rest, like a male boxer hammering a female opponent.

Posted by: denk | Aug 2 2024 4:48 utc | 171

@ Menz | Aug 2 2024 4:45 utc | 170 with the gold raping of Argentina….sigh
Is this the same Rothschild & Co that bevin said was nothing anymore?
The other question bevin kept away from was why, if the Rothschild’s are not powerful anymore, is the world of empire still implementing the Balfour Declaration?
Who are the God Of Mammon cult? I still posit Pope Frank and King Chuck are part of the team but unclear about others……I don’t think they are all jewish/zionists…..but they are all unipolar/monotheistic/patriarch/inheritance centered.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2024 5:02 utc | 172

INdian decoupling from China fails big time, Industries badly hit by rejection of Chinese engineers and supply chains.
Now Delhi wanna reopen its door to Chinese engineers, seek further Chinese investments in high tech,. infra structure.
Havent the Chinese learned enough lesson from the Xiaomi fiasco ?
Just like their gringo, limey, Jp, Mongols soul mates, sinophobia is deeply ingrained in Indian psychic,
Helping India to build up its industries and infra would turn up to be another massive own goal one of this day.

Posted by: denk | Aug 2 2024 5:22 utc | 173

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2024 5:02 utc | 172

“Who are the God Of Mammon cult? I still posit Pope Frank and King Chuck are part of the team but unclear about others……I don’t think they are all jewish/zionists…..but they are all unipolar/monotheistic/patriarch/inheritance centered.”

You harp on this quite a bit ph, but imho only frankie’s outfit’s been around long enough to have some clout? However, I’d suggest you should give Honzo’s reply, at #76, to Stephen T. Johnson at #69 a peruse. I believe his “Invisibles” are a better description of the folks you wonder about. Your last line Is quite likely very descriptive of them.

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Aug 2 2024 5:39 utc | 174

Who is behind this COVID madness? I accept the risk of triggering your “conspiracy theory” buttons by identifying the widely recognized “Global MIC -medical-petrochemical-pharmaceutical-BIG OIL-BIG AGRI cartel” as the only suspect that can wield the powers necessary to effect these frightening outcomes.
How convenient that Asia, and China in particular, is said to be the origin of this North American scourge at a time when Chinese-Anglo-American relations are strained to say the least.
In the days preceding the emergence of the first COVID cases, American raced to the Pacific Rim to impact escalating aggressions on the Korean peninsula, SCS, TW, ECS.
Communist China-a “most favored” trading partner with America, is politically allied with several American enemies, including those said to possess weapons of mass destruction, including IraN. Coincidental? Not likely when viewing the larger political picture involving the Ango-American oligarchy’s RMA and instigated “conflicts short of war.”
Ultimately, “We the People” have become the greatest victims of this latest fright, and the larger political agendas it serves.
https://rense.com//general36/scam.htm

Posted by: denk | Aug 2 2024 6:08 utc | 175

@ aye, myself & me | Aug 2 2024 5:39 utc | 174 with the suggestion about names of the cult that rules the Western empire.
I went and read the comments suggested and agree mostly with Honzo.
To keep the economic focus on the group I think Hand, The Invisible is a better moniker than just the Invisibles but still like my God Of Mammon name because of the monotheistic link, which we are seeing in the ME currently, is key.
The cult I am talking about hire people like the Dulles brothers and others to create and steer organizations or owners they can’t buy outright…..follow the money…..how much does the Catholic Church have?….they have had a bank and usury since 13th century….do the math.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2024 6:11 utc | 176

The US electoral system is such, that once president, it does not matter whether there was electoral fraud or not.
The wars must go on. In analogy with elections in EUrope, I assume that Trump is the candidate that cannot be allowed to win.
Kamala Harris will become president, but not even her fans will claim it was a clean victory.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 2 2024 6:52 utc | 177

denk | Aug 2 2024 6:08 utc | 175
I found a map of the first 150 cases or so in Wuhan. Markets ringed a large area where the outbreak was centered, then I looked up the US consulate in Wuhan and marked that on the map. It was smack in the center of the outbreak.
Diplomatic parcels are the best way to get something into a country. Eco health alliance was involved in the Wuhan lab and also involved in the pentagon bio weapons labs in Ukraine. I think the original virus was one that was being studied in Wuhan and Eco health alliance got some out and to the pentagon labs where it was developed into a bio weapon and from there smuggled back in in a diplomatic parcel.
Eco health alliance had put out a notice to all its people on the civilian side that if a Virus mutated ten times, they were to cease work on it immediately and notify EHA headquarters. Something that mutates fast is ideal for developing into a bio weapon.
As Pfizer terms it – Directed evolution. Same as a gardener developing a new variety of plant or a farmer developing a new breed of livestock.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2024 7:35 utc | 178

“As Pfizer terms it – Directed evolution. Same as a gardener developing a new variety of plant or a farmer developing a new breed of livestock.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2024 7:35 utc | 178
I have a different idea.
I believe the corona virus came from Ft Dietrich and when the army convention was held in Wuhan American soldiers brought the disease with them:
“MOSCOW, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) — The sudden shutdown of the Fort Detrick lab in the United States and the pneumonia outbreak that followed are far from coincidental and should be studied in the scope of the ongoing investigation into the pandemic’s origins, a Russian political observer has said.
In his article published in the Free Media online newspaper on Saturday, Sergei Plotnikov outlined some striking events that followed after the closure of the prominent military biological lab in Maryland.
Alongside a lack of transparency from the U.S. government in relation to the closure, there was little coverage of the unknown pneumonia outbreak that happened in two nursing homes in July 2019, which were “coincidentally” located close to the military base, Plotnikov wrote.
While the disease continued to spread throughout the United States with its cause and origins remaining unknown, the U.S. lab remained closed and was not involved in any research, he added.
Local authority quickly linked the unprecedented outbreak to e-cigarette use as victims in Wisconsin, northern Virginia and later other parts of the country continued to suffer from the lung disease.
Specialists from the U.S. National Institutes of Health believe that the coronavirus, which was unknown at that time, started spreading in the United States in the fall of 2019, according to Plotnikov.
“Some of the 24,000 blood samples collected in early 2020 from different places in the United States already had antibodies against COVID-19,” he wrote.” (1)
1. http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-08/04/c_1310107970.htm

Posted by: canuck | Aug 2 2024 9:33 utc | 179

“Is this the same Rothschild & Co that bevin said was nothing anymore?
The other question bevin kept away from was why, if the Rothschild’s are not powerful anymore, is the world of empire still implementing the Balfour Declaration?”
Who are the God Of Mammon cult? I still posit Pope Frank and King Chuck are part of the team but unclear about others……I don’t think they are all jewish/zionists…..but they are all unipolar/monotheistic/patriarch/inheritance centered.”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2024 5:02 utc | 172
bevy is seriously misinformed about this issue; they are not all Jews they are Ango/Zionists and they pull the string from the City of London

Posted by: canuck | Aug 2 2024 9:37 utc | 180

Germany joined the United Nations Command. Other than it might sound, this is not a UN mission, though. While the SU was boycotting the UNSC over the Taiwan question, the US pushed through a resolution that allows their coalition of the willing against North Korea – under US command, of course – to carry the UN flag (resolution 84).
Baerbock correctly stated that this step is aimed at keeping up the rules-based order.
https://x.com/AuswaertigesAmt/status/1819304221373604041?t=SpovADqQ2oYBo6Gwt68bpQ&s=19

Posted by: gynt | Aug 2 2024 10:18 utc | 181

The edge of the abyss gets closer in the U.K. as the so far unexplained attack in Southport ( a curious target mainly with a ‘scouser’ community, a long standing actual working class area of the North West, traditional Labour voting except for a few turncoats who tried to wreck that years ago.
Which is escalated to false flag-ish child murder attack type proportions with an unprecedented naming of a teenager whilst it had been declared it was not ‘terrorist’ related – a measly word for ‘couldn’t find a Muslim’ this time.
It being just in time to raise the profile of the Great Knight Dope Brave Sir Keerf; Imposition of further fascist laws is the FIRST announcement he has made
Reminiscent of the Manchester attack at the other Yankee poodle barbie singers concert a few years ago – a suppose blowback from the Libyan families used to take down Gadaffi.
Adrianne Grande then – Taylor Swift now.
Tie that in with the Ziofascist owned Yaxley-Lenin’Tommy’ suddenly appearing in the news a few days before and his rent-a-thug mobs of garrison town brain dead not so youngsters – the English Defence League – they wouldn’t know how to pass a basic English language exam never mind any other subject – who can go where they like when they like – even in Westminster – PROTECTED by the police! From anti fascists who would make them piss their pants at 10 yards!
Little gammons at the behest of the dog whistler big gammon Fartage.
This is a fucking attempt to raise the miltary recruitment from such areas as the new Leader of the Gang – starmztrooper is tasked with leading the Collective Wastes imperialist natzio war making.
For the record in London – there is no signs of any such protests in the unanimity of areas and most people have nothing to say about it except what they are forcefed as news – being poor isolated lonely folks whose only friend is the propaganda trumpet and lasers straight into their deluded little Britain minds. Whilst they are abandoned by their families and grandkids who have on the whole escaped for their annual summer holidays – idiots leaving a hot summer to find intolerable temperatures in places such as Egypt!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 2 2024 11:21 utc | 182

Republicans against Trump
@RpsAgainstTrump
FLASHBACK
1993-In congressional testimony, Donald Trump said that Native casino owners didn’t deserve special status because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”
https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1818777659629093361

Posted by: Menz | Aug 2 2024 11:45 utc | 183

Another thing I do remember from the Canberra hotel is the amazing schnitzel. Nobody even knows anymore what “schnitzel” is supposed to mean in the USA now. But I sure enjoyed it in my time in Aus.
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 2 2024 3:54 utc | 163
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That’s because Germans have no idea how to make a proper Schnitzel, let alone Americans who cook in German restaurants.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 2 2024 12:30 utc | 184

I’ll be taking this post in an unusual direction for MOA
MSM in non western countries is not as tightly controlled and was about to check on some details for venezuela and found 3 interesting public positions from Celso Amorim (Lula’s special aid and former master diplomat and minister)
1. Venezuela opposition cannot prove fraud
2. Radical positions on ukraine will not solve the problem
3. The death of Hamas leader was an excess that might prove expensive
And he still found the time to drop in on the china/brazil proposal (Li Hui) for the general council of the UN on ukraine.
Go BRICS!

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 12:38 utc | 185

Pre-market order matching system just puked up a CRWD hairball.
Its going to be a wild day.
The Telegraph says so ==> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/02/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-stock-sell-off-interest-rates/

Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2024 12:40 utc | 186

Intel is down 25% pre-market.
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/intc

Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2024 12:43 utc | 187

Where the jobs gone ??? ==> https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/non-farm-payrolls

Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2024 12:54 utc | 188

Olympic humanity.
The three podium pairs China, North Korea AND South Korean taking joyful selfies together.
Natzos and fascists weeping!
The brouhaha about the Arab man beating up the European girl boxer – BULLSHIT.
1.’Man’ was born WOMAN – NOT trans.
2. That Woman was beaten by a Irish Woman last Olympics
– was the Irish girl a guy?
3. The Italian claims hardest she has ever been punched!
She didn’t get knocked out by that hardest punch.
I assume women are able to land ko punches.
– the eytie being surrender monkey whinger as usual when they get their make up slightly scuffed.
That is all.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 2 2024 12:55 utc | 189

Intel is down 25% pre-market.
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/intc
Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2024 12:43 utc | 187
After a 5% drop on close…
Scary…
and most techs seem to be heading for -2.5% on pre-market

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 12:58 utc | 190

That Woman was beaten by a Irish Woman last Olympics
– was the Irish girl a guy?
Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 2 2024 12:55 utc | 189
Likely 😀

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 12:59 utc | 191

Scary…
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 12:58 utc | 190

Exciting!

Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2024 13:02 utc | 192

Scary…
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 12:58 utc | 190

Exciting!
Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2024 13:02 utc | 192
Not really, hadn’t taken a look for a long while, nasdaq-wise it is all strongly within a long term (from 1974) support line that was only broken 2008/2011 but retaken since

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 13:14 utc | 193

Not really …
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 13:14 utc | 193

The order matching engine is going to break. Maybe today.
That market technology didn’t exist when long term trends were set.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2024 13:18 utc | 194

Gold is loving it.
https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/metals/precious/gold.quotes.html

Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2024 13:41 utc | 195

Not really …
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 13:14 utc | 193

The order matching engine is going to break. Maybe today.
That market technology didn’t exist when long term trends were set.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2024 13:18 utc | 194
The market could/should have corrected further in 2008/2011 but the FED can print more money than you can short a stupid market.
for now it’s not even a battleground, it’s a triumph parade that has entered stratospheric levels.
Even if it takes a plunge they’ll catch it above 10.000, you can bet on it.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1320/nasdaq-historical-chart

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 13:44 utc | 196

they’ll catch it above 10.000
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 13:44 utc | 196

When market breaks they will reprice the “10.000” marker before it resumes.
Nominally it will still be “10.000”. In real value it will be smaller.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2024 13:51 utc | 197

Gold is loving it.
https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/metals/precious/gold.quotes.html
Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2024 13:41 utc | 195
Another manipulated market… should be much higher or stocks much lower.
But as it is it looks a lot like a final 5.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 13:53 utc | 198

I was convinced it was real, not faked…but someone much cleverer than me, briefly displayed this party trick on open sale. It contains, a fake blood pouch, that you hide behind your ear. You slap your ear in open view, as if stung by a wasp, and there is the blood around your ear, dripping down your face…
Even this did not convince me, and I am still not convinced yet…
But yesterday, I saw even more evidence of Trump’s Ear, less than 2 weeks after the event – a photograph in extremely high definition, and his ear is totally healed.
The bloke is nearly 80 years old, even for a teenager, who wants to wear ear rings, it takes a little bit longer for the hole in the ear to completely heal.
However, even that photo might have been faked.

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 2 2024 14:05 utc | 199

canuck | Aug 2 2024 9:33 utc | 179
I did look at that a bit and thought it likely to be a forerunner (partially developed) or even a different respiratory virus.
I it was the same strain as that released in Wuhan then it would have quickly spread throughout the US and around the world. That one seemed to be constrained or for whatever reason stayed withing a relatively small area. Perhaps quickly mutating back into something harmless.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2024 14:15 utc | 200