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Oil Thief!
Afshin Rattansi
@afshinrattansi
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‼️🇻🇪 THE REAL REASON THE US🇺🇸 WANTS MADURO OVERTHROWN:
“Venezuela….we would have taken it over. We would have gotten all that oil.”
-Donald Trump
https://x.com/afshinrattansi/status/1818007096325275711
Posted by: Menz | Jul 30 2024 12:36 utc | 301
Katrina 🇲🇽 🇺🇸 🇨🇳
@zapatas_mom
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Jul 29
Why do they think they’re in charge?! Why does Venezuela have to prove anything to USA? Why can’t USA mind its own business?! When did the world declare USA kings of the world?!
https://x.com/zapatas_mom/status/1817825625769652714
Posted by: Menz | Jul 30 2024 12:39 utc | 302
Conor O’Neill
@conoraon
Something so satisfying about this man’s refusal to take the bait with the usual leading questions on migration. Just calmly & stubbornly fair-minded, straightforward, no nonsense answers in a perfect Wexford accent right in the middle of the town. 10/10
https://x.com/conoraon/status/1817918766459588852
Posted by: Menz | Jul 30 2024 12:43 utc | 303
If they did, the €10 trillion they have languishing in their bank accounts ― that’s more than a third the size of the U.S. economy ― could be invested in the stock market instead. That would give companies more cash. That would enable those companies to spend on projects for the public good.
Posted by: Minaa | Jul 30 2024 9:02 utc | 290
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The public good? You can’t be serious.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 30 2024 13:11 utc | 304
Irony indeed:
The Seine is supposed to be the site of the swimming portion of triathlon competitions, but it is currently not usable because it’s — to put it bluntly — disgusting.
“Whether the Seine will be clean enough to host Olympic triathlon and open-water swimming events has been a much debated topic at the Games,” USA Today reported.
The key culprit in all of this consternation is the infamous E. coli bacteria, which can be found in way-too-high levels in the Seine.
Costly cleanup efforts (over $1.5 billion dollars) appeared to yield acceptable results — at first.
“The river was deemed clean enough for the swimming competitions following a series of tests in earlier this month but heavy rainfall in France’s capital over the past 48 hours appears to have set that back,” USA Today reported.
The outlet did note that triathlon authorities are “confident that water quality will return to below limits before the start of the triathlon competitions.”
The event officially begins Tuesday, but the Seine was supposed to be a training site for athletes over the weekend.
While the biking and running training sessions were uninterrupted with the state of the Seine, the swimming portion obviously didn’t happen.
As the Associated Press noted, two straight days of practice at the Seine were cancelled, leaving prospective competitors unable to prepare for arguably the most grueling part of a triathlon.
In an ironic twist, the Parisian Olympics organizers appear to be banking on God — despite what many decried as blasphemous undertones in the opening ceremonies.
“The sport’s governing body, World Triathlon, its medical team and city officials are banking on sunny weather and higher temperatures to bring levels of E. coli and other bacteria below the necessary limits to stage the swim portion of the race,” the AP reported.
According to USA Today, the current plan is for the event to continue as planned on Tuesday, assuming the E. coli levels improve. “Plan B” would see the event delayed by yet another day.
A much more monumental “Plan C” would see the swimming portion of the triathlon (biathlon, now) dropped altogether.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/olympic-organizers-suffer-embarrassment-forced-cancel-event/
Plus if you missed it a while back, a good conversation about global warming and food shortage fallacies with free-thinking Chinese American scientist Dr. Willie Soon. https://www.ceres-science.com/willie-soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7IdLzxzINw
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 30 2024 13:41 utc | 305
“If they did, the €10 trillion they have languishing in their bank accounts ― that’s more than a third the size of the U.S. economy ― could be invested in the stock market instead. That would give companies more cash. That would enable those companies to spend on projects for the public good.”
Posted by: Minaa | Jul 30 2024 9:02 utc | 290
Minaa I don’t think you understand how deposits in the bank work. That money doesn’t just sit there the bank uses the deposits to advance loans (up to 9 X the deposit amount) or it invests say in government bonds which pay interest.
Buying Govt bonds is for the ‘public good’ as the government is borrowing to spend money.
Now if they spend that money on ‘Drag Queen schools” I would say that’s not for the ‘public good’ but they pay for medical costs for the populace that’s , I think what you are getting at.
Ed@164 and @166 neglects the possibility the comments spotted as fakes may be efforts at mocking canuck@138. Personally I’m not sure it’s possible to satirize canuck. My judgment is, you can’t spray paint comedy gold with “gold” paint. But Ed may be correct, as there are a large number of right-wing, well, trolls is for once a useful word I think.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 29 2024 17:13 utc | 172
You summed up my feelings pretty well there. The comment section here is fast becoming unreadable!
The people who constantly use the words like ‘sheeple’ unironically are usually the most close minded idiots.
Posted by: Near | Jul 30 2024 13:53 utc | 307
Ed@164 and @166 neglects the possibility the comments spotted as fakes may be efforts at mocking canuck@138. Personally I’m not sure it’s possible to satirize canuck. My judgment is, you can’t spray paint comedy gold with “gold” paint. But Ed may be correct, as there are a large number of right-wing, well, trolls is for once a useful word I think.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 29 2024 17:13 utc | 172
You summed up my feelings pretty well there. The comment section here is fast becoming unreadable!
The people who constantly use the words like ‘sheeple’ unironically are usually the most close minded idiots.
Posted by: Near | Jul 30 2024 13:53 utc | 308
I’ll classify people ‘Sheeple’ when they behave as such; if you two gossips actually are deluded enough to believe in the MSM/WEF “Church of Anthropomorphic Climate Change”, then you are ‘Sheeple’ as well.
Just a reminder:
“World oil production—using the proper definition which the EIA follows of crude oil including lease condensate—peaked in November 2018 at 84.59 million barrels per day (mbpd), meaning it has not reached that level since.”
Posted by: hightrekker | Jul 30 2024 14:21 utc | 309
The Seine is supposed to be the site of the swimming portion of triathlon competitions, but it is currently not usable because it’s — to put it bluntly — disgusting.
Dear Citizens of Paris,
For the duration, please stop pooping.
Sincerely,
The International Olympic Committee
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 30 2024 14:26 utc | 310
With regard to Venezualan election and USA’s et al accusations.
https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/national-lawyers-guild-electoral-observers-praise-fairness-transparency-of-venezuelan-election-process-condemn-the-u-s-backed-oppositions-refusal-to-accept-the-outcome-of-democratic-election
Apologies if this has already been posted.
Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jul 30 2024 14:50 utc | 311
Trump Is Heading for Defeat
https://www.unz.com/article/trump-is-heading-for-defeat/
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 30 2024 14:56 utc | 312
I don’t think you understand how deposits in the bank work. That money doesn’t just sit there the bank uses the deposits to advance loans…
Posted by: canuck | Jul 30 2024 13:48 utc | 307
It is you that doesn’t understand how deposits work. Banks don’t use deposits for anything other than calculating the bank’s capital.
Deposits are a liability of the bank so deposits count against the bank’s capital.
Banks don’t use deposits to advance loans. If that were true then the bank’s deposits would be reduced by the amount loaned, but the opposite happens. The way the accounting works is that when a bank makes a loan new deposits equal to the loaned amount are created.
Posted by: jinn | Jul 30 2024 14:59 utc | 313
With regard to Venezualan election and USA’s et al accusations.
https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/national-lawyers-guild-electoral-observers-praise-fairness-transparency-of-venezuelan-election-process-condemn-the-u-s-backed-oppositions-refusal-to-accept-the-outcome-of-democratic-election
Apologies if this has already been posted.
Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jul 30 2024 14:50 utc | 312
Don’t think so. Thanks
I think a lot of old timers of MOA will know NLG and its work over almost a century (80 something years), all the cases and causes it has embraced and all the (failed) efforts of TPTB to stop it.
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 30 2024 15:14 utc | 314
An added bonus on Venezuela.
SOME almost MSM is already showing up in google news about the connection between the polling company being used to contest the elections and the US government.
At least there is a glitch in the matrix and might signal that its a losst battle and the US are dropping their “Guaidó du jour”
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 30 2024 15:22 utc | 315
Dear Citizens of Paris,
For the duration, please stop pooping.
Sincerely,
The International Olympic Committee
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 30 2024 14:26 utc | 311
Can’t help wondering if the computer model they used to design their E.Coli mitigation scheme even took account of all the extra people that would be pooping in Paris during the games (athletes, hangers-on, TV and press and tourists) or the large amount of ‘unseasonal’ rain. I’m guessing not.
Paris stank 35 years ago, I’m sure things have only got worse infrastructure wise since.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 30 2024 16:48 utc | 316
jinn@314 is correct. The MSM, both factions liberal (which is not left) and conservative, typically report on finance as if this was true. I think they know very well this is a misunderstanding but it is so convenient for pretending that government spending is at the expense of the people by taking away money for investment in the real economy, that they can’t break the habit. But what really drives investment is profits and the amount of money in t-bills doesn’t affect that…unless interest rates on t-bills etc. are so much higher/safer than industrial profits the ruling class prefers to basically clip coupons. Add to that the absurd idea that things like education, health care and pensions are somehow waste is pretty much universally assumed. The MSM view of the mass of the people is much the same as their ruling class masters: Labor power that exists to make profit, people who live to work, not people who work to live. The rest are useless eaters. The right-wing populist version is that social spending on undeserving people is the problem and the rest is “our” right. The problem there is the number of people who merely imagine they are “we.”
In practice, if you or your wife’s friend can’t afford to drop $50 000 on a fundraiser, you are not “we,” you’re “they.” That’s why the emphasis on identity politics, you are going to side with your favorite oligarch because he pretends more loudly that he is one of you. That works for both social liberal and social conservative. But the truth I think is, a rich person who like “us” whether it’s white, or whatever, is still a rich person. They may or may not be personally nicer, but they are not “us.” The quick objection to this view is that some ruling class want to kill instead of bribe, which makes a practical difference that can’t be ignored.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 30 2024 17:01 utc | 317
Scholz hätte den Raketenpakt erklären müssen
FAZ, Berhold Kohler, 30.7.2024
Wiki: Pakt, 1. Bündnis zwischen Staaten
2. Vertragliche Vereinbarung, Übereinkunft
Pakt ? Die Amerikaner haben gesagt, sie stationieren in Deutschland Mittelstreckenmarschflugkörper und Raketen – und Olaf hat gesagt: Ja, das ist aber toll !
So ist das mit den Medien in Deutschland im Zeitalter des „sowjetischen Lügens“ (Reichelt).
Scholz should have explained the missile pact
FAZ, Berhold Kohler, July 30, 2024
Wiki: Pact, 1st alliance between states
2. Contractual agreement
Pact? The Americans said they were stationing medium-range cruise missiles and rockets in Germany – and Olaf said: Yes, that’s great!
This is how it is with the media in Germany in the age of “Soviet lying” (Reichelt).
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jul 30 2024 17:25 utc | 318
So Malaysia will soon be part of the BRICS, and the Italian leader has crawled back to China to beg to be let back in as a friend. The South East Asian view of the US has gone down hard in the past year, lets remember that Indonesia and Malaysia are Muslim nations. The damage of the US involvement in the genocide of Gaza is being reaped across the Muslim world. From the 2024 “State of Southeast Asia 2024” report from the Singaporean ASEAN Studies Centre at ISEAS – Yusof Ishak Institute
China has edged past the US to become the prevailing choice (50.5%) if the region were forced to align itself in the on-going US-China rivalry. The US as a choice dropped from 61.1% in the previous year to 49.5%.
The report is heavily skewed toward the elite and also heavily over-represents Singaporean respondents, so we can conclude that the mass of the population is even more skewed toward China given the education and family backgrounds of so many of the ASEAN elites. By country, 2023 then 2024 China/US percentage:
Brunei. 39/61 to 51/49
Cambodia. 55/45 to 70/30
Indonesia 54/46 to 73/27
Laos. 41/59 to 71/29
Malaysia 55/45 to 75/25
Myanmar. 32/68 to 42/58
Philippines 21/79 to 17/83
Singapore 39/61 to 38/62
Thailand. 43/57 to 52/48
Vietnam 22/78 to 21/79
So in Moslem Indonesia and Malaysia the elites now heavily favour China, as those of Cambodia and Laos do. Plus a small majority of Thai and Brunei elites. The US is still in the lead in Myanmar but that lead has been substantially reduced.
The only nations with elites that remained strongly biased toward the US are The Philippines (a historical anomaly from the days of being a US colony, with the elites being US vassals as with the current president and his father) and Vietnam. The latter is still strange to me given the Vietnam War against the US and the massive support Vietnam received from China. Seems the 1979 Chinese war against Vietnam was Deng’s greatest error. Economically, Vietnam is extremely dependent upon China and Vietnam has made it clear that they will not side with the US against China.
The elites of Myanmar (currently engaged in a civil war) and Singapore (a tiny city state) are somewhat more aligned with the US and China.
Overall a big setback for the US, perhaps that is why the Malaysian Prime Minister who was seen as somewhat US-leaning and somewhat hostile to China is now taking his country into the BRICS? China just keeps winning while the US keeps stabbing itself with its own actions and arrogance.
https://www.iseas.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/The-State-of-SEA-2024.pdf
@Roger, #320:
…. Seems the 1979 Chinese war against Vietnam was Deng’s greatest error. Economically, Vietnam is extremely dependent upon China and Vietnam has made it clear that they will not side with the US against China.
What error??? Winning over Vietnam is something vital to China? Or is it even desirable???
China aided Vietnam because of Communist fellowship, and because of neighboring geographically. It was done purely as sacrificial and benevolent. That the Viets turned hostile and mean is a lesson to China. A bitter lesson.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 30 2024 18:32 utc | 320
Oriental Voice@321 makes an extremely negative impression with the claim Deng invaded Vietnam because Vietnam turned hostile and mean. All the facts I know suggest this was very much a war of choice on Deng’s part personally. Worse, the alleged meanness of Vietnam was the brief intervention into Cambodia. Given that the Khmer Rouge had slaughtered numbers of Vietnamese, it is not at all clear why Deng wanted to ally with the US in supporting the Khmer Rouge, at least the Khmer Rouge under Pol Pot. (Hun Sen the long term successor was Khmer Rouge once if I remember correctly.)
If anyone is being comradely and sacrificial from solidarity, isn’t it Vietnam?
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 30 2024 19:00 utc | 321
The great game… nukes aside its game over. Multi-polar world wins hands down.
My attention now is as much on what will happen within the defeated or hemmed in empire. Borders with armed guards, barbed wire and minefields to prevent people escaping to the free multi-polar world?
The general mindset of the people in the west is very much Borrell’s garden and the jungle. They peak out through the window at the rest of the world and just see a jungle peopled with savages – barbarians. What is coming for the so called west, within the west and particularly within five-eyes will ot be nice. Civilization under siege with barbarians at the gates. And inside,the civilized people will live within what France put on display to the world.
What a mess.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 30 2024 20:17 utc | 322
“I don’t think you understand how deposits in the bank work. That money doesn’t just sit there the bank uses the deposits to advance loans…”
Posted by: canuck | Jul 30 2024 13:48 utc | 307
“It is you that doesn’t understand how deposits work. Banks don’t use deposits for anything other than calculating the bank’s capital.
Deposits are a liability of the bank so deposits count against the bank’s capital.
Banks don’t use deposits to advance loans. If that were true then the bank’s deposits would be reduced by the amount loaned,but the opposite happens. The way the accounting works is that when a bank makes a loan new deposits equal to the loaned amount are created.
Posted by: jinn | Jul 30 2024 14:59 utc | 314
According to both economists Michael Hudson and Steven Keen, that’s the way it used to be, before the Clinton administration (and congress) repealed the Glass Steagall from 1933. According to them those rules you have above have changed drastically, because bank deposits are now treated as loans to the bank, not deposits. This way the bank can spend the loans anyway they please and if the money is lost, unlike someone failing to pay back a bank loan, the banks have no responsibility for failing to re pay the (deposited) loan is my understanding. of it.
Ever wonder when you open a bank account in the usa , no idea about canada, one gets a virtual booklet of papers and flyers all printed in very tiny print? How many folks you think strain their eyes trying to read all that info? And besides it takes a lot of strain off the FDIC whose presently trillions of dollars underfunded should the banks go belly up in unison.
Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 30 2024 21:09 utc | 323
“The Council” and everyone and everything that emanates from them, has controlled the United States for the past fifty years for the purpose of extracting our nation’s wealth. Our constitutional government and the federal workforce’s purpose is to protect our wealth, and the “public good” of the American people. “The Council’s” purpose is to crush and destroy it.
They use the tools of indictments, obstruction, and government agencies they have weaponized to attack their enemies under false color of law. They alone select who will be winners and losers in politics, business, the economy, media, elections, education, and do so with complete amorality.
Exposing them by name, their corruption and means of control, and identifying how to dismantle their illegitimate power is the first step in the restoration of the United States of America as a constitutional republic.
(Current members of “The Council” include; US Inspector General Michael Horowitz, FBI Director Christopher Wray, US Attorney General Merrick Garland, Director Office Professional Responsibility (OPR) Jeffrey Ragsdale, Chief Public Integrity Sector (PIN) Corey Amundson, Deputy USAG Lisa Monaco, 1st Principal Deputy USAG Marshall Miller.)
The Council is an “untouchable,” legislatively codified, sui generis[1] organization with tentacles embedded in every government agency and branch of government except for the Supreme Court of the United States.
From their perspective, they own the United States of America. It is “theirs,” and “they” are its self-appointed stewards. Anyone who is “not them” are “useful idiots,” “useful innocents,” or human chattel to be discarded to necro-politics.[2] The rest of us are expendable “carbon units” assigned positive and negative values depending on our relative usefulness to them. This is their language.
(“Emeritus” and pseudo-current members of “The Council”: Former USAG William Barr, former USAG Jeffrey Rosen, former Deputy USAG Richard Donahue, former FBI Director Andrew McCabe, former FBI Director Robert Mueller, former FBI Director James Comey, former USAG Eric Holder, CIGIE “Special Counsel” Jack Smith)
Their construct of reality is more akin to the way a corporate industrial farm executive, in suit and tie, looks upon the stewardship of livestock, or how most humans think of ants. If something is harvestable and profitable, then that respective “carbon unit” has a positive value. If something has a negative value, it is of no consequence, starved, or butchered.
To simplify this construct as a “war” between “good” and “evil” is correct. “The Council” does not operate in a construct of morality and spiritualism.
https://joehoft.com/greg-stenstrom-on-who-is-running-the-usa-the-council/
Longer piece: https://intelligencer.today/the-council-who-is-running-the-united-states-of-america/18/07/2024/8132/
X Post:
And here it is,
Documents obtained by Greg Stenstrom and Princess Leah through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA),
CONFIRMS: BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT,
“It was a coup.” it was an interagency effort that overthrew the United States government on Nov 3, 2020.
[FOIA]… pic.twitter.com/vVecfitWEJ
— RealRobert (@Real_RobN) July 19, 2024
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 30 2024 21:35 utc | 324
Very important but not unexpected results presented by Rostec CEO Sergey Chemezov in today’s report to Putin, “Rostec’s 2023 Annual Report: A+”, https://karlof1.substack.com/p/rostecs-2023-annual-report-a
aye, myself & me | Jul 30 2024 21:09 utc | 324–
You’re correct. The rule was a specific percentage of deposits needed to be kept in the vault to handle daily transactions the remainder being free to be loaned. That’s known as Fractional Reserve Banking and is explained in the textbook I used for Econ 101: “Macroeconomics for Today,” copyright 2000. If a bank went below the lawful amount required, it went to the Fed for an overnight loan to adhere to the law. Yes, almost all that’s been overturned, and banks are now free to go bankrupt as most ought to have in 2008.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 30 2024 20:17 utc | 323
That is a very clever intuition.
The World System (Wallerstein) with its Metropolis, Center, Periphery, Semi-periphery, and wild lands is collapsing to bring about a reduction of the sphere of influence from the Metropolis over the Periphery and Semi-Periphery.
When, in the next years, the western supranational institutions get out of money due to a massive debt, the social welfare will down to the levels of pre WWII.
The social and economic collapse in the UE (and the USA) will leave millions of people living in areas without any kind of estatal coverture: the “wild lands” will be hastily overcome by new “feudal lords” who will impose their law beyond the previous State-nation laws.
Examples:
South of the USA. The Cartels are gonna dictate all the frontier because they doing now and is unstoppable. All around the place gonna be, in 20 years, their feud.
The EU is about to collapse in 10 years: nobody wants to work, save the immigrants who are the 20-30 % of the working class. The stupid reaction of the Europeans is sit in their house watching how the fascism returns.
Paris, the city of the lights… where the Olympic swimmers are not able to swim because the river stink with E. coli.
Etc. Peter AU1 | Jul 30 2024 20:17 utc | 323
Posted by: Lydia | Jul 30 2024 22:17 utc | 326
i wonder where bevin is?
article on india and china relations from indian punchline today –
Winds of change in India-China relations
Posted by: james | Jul 30 2024 22:22 utc | 327
AFRICAN & BLACK HISTORY
@AfricanArchives
In 1884, during the Berlin Conference, European nations established the ‘legal’ claim that all of Africa could be occupied by whomever could take it.
They set out murdering africans and taking their wealth to make Europe wealthier.
THREAD
https://x.com/AfricanArchives/status/1818325234992198141
Posted by: Menz | Jul 30 2024 22:26 utc | 328
Lydia | Jul 30 2024 22:17 utc | 327
The larger over view. Amen to what you wrote. So many get tangled in the nitty gritty – trees vs forest sort of thing….
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 30 2024 22:31 utc | 329
So many people I know, there marriage has broken up. To me marriage was more than a religious thing, it was a commitment for life. A partnership in life. For me my children were everything. Everything I worked for as our children are our future.
All gone – sacrificed on the altar of wokism. Wife daughters all woke, son addicted to what he sees on teevee. All gone, sucked into the black hole of the narrative. They have followed the pied piper and I cannot follow them there.
The black hole of the narrative….
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 30 2024 22:44 utc | 330
“i wonder where bevin is?
Posted by: james | Jul 30 2024 22:22 utc | 328
I miss B, heroically posting at times despite insurmountable obstructions, and bevin.
They are for me two anchors of reason and insight amidst an historic storm of geopoliticoeconomical and cultural transformation.
Thankfully others here in the meanwhile do well in attempt to fill the void.
Posted by: suzan | Jul 30 2024 23:15 utc | 332
According to both economists Michael Hudson and Steven Keen, that’s the way it used to be, before the Clinton administration (and congress) repealed the Glass Steagall from 1933. According to them those rules you have above have changed drastically, because bank deposits are now treated as loans to the bank, not deposits. This way the bank can spend the loans anyway they please and if the money is lost, unlike someone failing to pay back a bank loan, the banks have no responsibility for failing to re pay the (deposited) loan is my understanding. of it.
Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 30 2024 21:09 utc | 324
Your understanding is rather lacking.
Maybe Steven Keen can help fill in the blanks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdclyO8JN14
Posted by: jinn | Jul 30 2024 23:15 utc | 333
Peter AU1 | Jul 30 2024 20:17 utc | 323–
What I see is the Outlaw US Empire with its NATO vassals walling itself off so the parasites can continue to feed. New international institutions will keep them out, and they lack the military to make inroads as most of their stuff is junk or will soon be. Stand-off anti-ship missiles are getting rather cheap and plentiful, so the maritime NATO will become worthless. Meanwhile, the BRICS navies will be powerful enough to patrol shipping lanes except through Gibraltar, while land-based interconnectedness becomes the main point of development between Eurasia and Africa. South America must become able to stand on its own, although it will be aided in that quest by China and Russia. That will require a very tough political fight to drive the Neoliberals out.
None of the above will be instant. I expect it will take another 25 years at minimum. African development will take 40-50 to reach where ASEAN is today. IMO, we can probably rest easy as long as the Zionists are dealt with well before 2028.
Family is all. Forever. The most problematic issue.
I’m very old.
My feelings are simple:
Love, wit outstanding.
But, please:
make a dream:
Women, Children, Men, singing for the Family.
Amatso: I love you so much because you made me born.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naAC37W42ro
Posted by: Lydia | Jul 30 2024 23:31 utc | 335
I know you live in a mess.
Forgive me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4QqMKe3rwY
Posted by: Lydua | Jul 30 2024 23:46 utc | 336
This is interesting – and geopolitically positive h/t nakedcapitalism.com
July 30, 2024 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR
Winds of change in India-China relations
https://www.indianpunchline.com/winds-of-change-in-india-china-relations/
Position of India in the US-China spat is veerry important …
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 30 2024 23:52 utc | 337
“i wonder where bevin is?
Posted by: james | Jul 30 2024 22:22 utc | 328
I miss B, heroically posting at times despite insurmountable obstructions, and bevin.
They are for me two anchors of reason and insight amidst an historic storm of geopoliticoeconomical and cultural transformation.
Thankfully others here in the meanwhile do well in attempt to fill the void.
Posted by: suzan | Jul 30 2024 23:15 utc | 333
______
Seconded!!!
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 30 2024 23:59 utc | 338
“Comparing [MSM] news coverage about protests against Maduro’s election victory in Venezuela now, with news coverage about Jan 6, 2020, some bias seems evident.”
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 30 2024 5:27 utc | 277
That’s certainly an understatement. Same thing with the Maidan events back in 2014. Wikipedia calls the Maidan vilent insurrection the “Revolution of Dignity” (not joking).
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 31 2024 0:56 utc | 339
karlof1 | Jul 30 2024 23:16 utc | 335
Thanks for your take on it. 25 years is starting to look about right. I was hoping it would be, thought it would be, faster but then we go back to Hudson’s two or three decades of turbulence.
Our hopes and dreams when we were young. So much about me has been sucked into the void of group think. Like a black hole in space. At this stage in my life…. well – Such is life.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 31 2024 1:03 utc | 340
Thank you, karlof1 and thank you other posters. There are a number of important issues being discussed here. I will hold off my own introductions for quieter times; they can wait. Current events are more important – safe journeys, everyone.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 31 2024 1:17 utc | 341
“Well, he is Trotsky’s stepson or some such, no?”
Posted by: scorpion | Jul 29 2024 17:59 utc | 188
His “godson” supposedly (not his stepson). Weird that an atheist communist like Trotsky would agree to be someone’s “godfather”, isn’t it? Anyway good post imo.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 31 2024 2:04 utc | 342
fact
And
it’s “a lot of work” overthrowing democratically-elected governments
https://x.com/blackintheempir/status/1818431461264945476
Black in the Empire @blackintheempir
All Maduro has to say is that he’ll let the corporations exploit Venezuela for its resources and the United States will say that he won fair and square
https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1818441239533875414
Ben Norton @BenjaminNorton
Organizing coups against foreign elected governments is “a lot of work”, according to John Bolton, the neoconservative Iraq War architect who served as Donald Trump’s national security advisor.
Bolton admitted to overseeing a coup attempt in Venezuela, in this 2022 CNN interview:
https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1818440480360681944
Donald Trump’s neoconservative National Security Advisor John Bolton oversaw the coup attempt in Venezuela they launched in 2019.
“We’re looking at the oil assets”, Bolton said on Fox News. “We’re in conversation with major American companies” to “invest in and produce the oil”.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 31 2024 2:08 utc | 343
ZH has a posting up with the title
“Absolutely Stunning”: CRE Analyst Lists Latest Office Tower & Mall Valuation Collapses
the quote
Fed Powell has a rolling crisis on his hands. And the goal is to save the fireworks for after the election.
There are a lot of issues that are not going to wait for the US (s)election and once the dominoes start to fall, try not to get hit by the flying debris……but be sure to watch out for the crazy saying they are holding the winning derivative ticket showing they own the world and everything in it.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2024 2:24 utc | 344
“Daily Mail has an article but they don’t name or identify the perp-which means he’s not white-if it is a white dud we would ahve the name and picture pronto!”
Posted by: canuck | Jul 29 2024 13:41 utc | 138
I looked at about 10 different MSM “news” websites today to see if they had a photo of the perp. Nada. The lack of a photo or a description can be explained with plausible deniabilty because, as the MSM news stories repeat ad nauseum, he is “a boy” or “a teen”. Funny how that excuse never once came into play when all of MSM named Kyle Rittenhouse immediately with no regard to his age….here is one example:
https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/26/jacob-blake-shooting-gun-battle-in-kenosha-on-third-night-of-unrest?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17223941767941&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2020%2Faug%2F26%2Fjacob-blake-shooting-gun-battle-in-kenosha-on-third-night-of-unrest
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 31 2024 2:51 utc | 345
But it’s you and your bunch heading over the cliff, Can-uck…
and taking all of us with you.
Just as with Covid; the sheep are those that refuse to look at facts and pretend it’s all good.
Posted by: furies | Jul 31 2024 3:04 utc | 347
The US government, including agencies like the CIA, the State Department, and other branches, often engages in efforts to change regimes in countries with socialist or anti-US governments for several reasons. Here are some key factors:
1 Economic Interests:
Resource Control: Many countries targeted for regime change possess valuable natural resources, like oil in Venezuela. Control over these resources can benefit US corporations and ensure a steady supply of these resources.
Market Access: Socialist policies often involve nationalization of industries and protectionist measures, which limit opportunities for foreign businesses. Regime change can open these markets to US companies.
2 Geopolitical Strategy:
Containment of Influence: Socialist or anti-US governments can form alliances with other rival powers (e.g., Russia, China), potentially expanding their influence in regions considered strategic by the US.
Regional Stability: The US often seeks to maintain a certain power balance in different regions. A government that opposes US policies can disrupt this balance and influence neighboring countries.
3 Ideological Conflict:
Anti-Communism/Socialism: Historically, the US has opposed communism and socialism, viewing them as threats to the capitalist democratic order. This ideological conflict has been a significant driver of foreign policy decisions.
Promotion of Democracy: Officially, the US often frames its interventions as efforts to promote democracy and human rights, although the underlying motivations might be more complex.
4 Domestic Political Considerations:
Public Opinion: Maintaining a narrative that aligns with public opinion and values (e.g., supporting democracy) can help justify foreign interventions.
Political Influence: Lobbying by corporations and interest groups can influence foreign policy to align with their economic interests.
5 Historical Precedents:
Cold War Legacy: The Cold War set a precedent for US intervention in countries with socialist governments. This practice has continued in various forms even after the Cold War ended.
Institutional Inertia: Agencies like the CIA have developed expertise and infrastructure for conducting regime change operations, creating a certain momentum for these activities.
The consistency in the US’s approach to regime change is driven by a combination of these factors. The narrative presented to the public often emphasizes the promotion of democracy and human rights, but the underlying motivations are usually more pragmatic and strategic. This disparity between public narratives and actual motivations contributes to the perception that the US government is frequently dishonest about its regime change activities.
Posted by: Fred | Jul 31 2024 3:06 utc | 348
It really is easy to spot how MSM tries to hide the violent crimes committed by non-whites, while exaggerating any crimes committed by white people, (even if they are “boys” and “teens”).
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 31 2024 3:07 utc | 349
We watch this world – Palestine, Hamas even after all this time still fighting hard, the Palestinians of Gaza not denouncing Hamas telling them to surrender. A people united with their backs to the wall.
404 a different story. Extremists come to the fore and the rest sat apathetically watching. Like Ostrich’s put thier heads in the sand and hoped the bad things would go away. Now they are cannon fodder, Fed into the Russian guns like lambs to the slaughter. So called blocking units to prevent them from surrendering or retreating. The danger of apathy. The west turned Ukraine into a cartridge to by fired at Russia, a weapon to use against Russia so now they all die due to their own stupidity.
How people are taken to their own destruction by what is termed as psyops. It sickens me at times to watch. Not those that defend against them and cut them down. Those that twist the mids of weak people, of group thinkers, those that turn ordinary people into cannon fodder.
What the US has launched in Venezuela how far hat will go – Syria 2.0? It sickens me. Those punks,cannon fodder whatever, that have been brainwashed by US influence operation will have to be put down.
The lessons are there to be learned in both Syria and Ukraine. Purchase the Anglo american snake oil or fight hard.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 31 2024 3:07 utc | 350
A good summary of what’s happening in Venezuela to share around with others not as informed as moa readers.
Here’s What the Media Isn’t Telling You About the Venezuelan Election
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obq8FHMoGDo
by BreakThrough News
Posted by: Fred | Jul 31 2024 3:09 utc | 351
@246 Novato
Desculpem escrever em português, mas tenho que, rapidamente, retificar Novato, a quem respeito como um dos melhores frequentadores deste bar.
Como observador na Venezuela, o governo brasileiro mandou o ex ministro do exterior Celso Amorim, considerado por muitos como o Lavrov brasileiro.
Posted by: Soviético | Jul 31 2024 3:34 utc | 352
Get your Tulip futures right here with Donald Trump…./s
From Wall Street On Parade there is this posting title
Donald Trump Gives a Speech on Not Letting China Win the Crypto Race – Not Realizing China Banned Crypto Mining and Transactions Four Years Ago
Just what the world needs is more private finance like Bitcoin…./s
And don’t worry, from what I have read the private money mafia already owns all the crypto markets…..because they bought in early with free fiat, eh?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2024 3:37 utc | 353
American band Metallica in Moscow 1991.
Look at the crowd in the video clip. Unlike anything in the’west’. What could have been, but, but, As Putin said, they sat on our heads and chewed bubblegum. So now we watch the turbulence of historical change.
Montgomery – ” Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: “Do not march on Moscow”. Various people have tried it, Napoleon and Hitler, and it is no good.”
Well we marched on Moscow so there is another saying – “sow the wind and reap the whirlwind”.
So many do not understand his simple fact of life. So many about me are nothing more than Ukie cannon fodder.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 31 2024 3:38 utc | 354
I would just like to state that the book written by John Perkins titled “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” is a very good read and it explains a lot.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 31 2024 3:40 utc | 355
So bloody tired I forgot the link. Metallica in Moscow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W7wqQwa-TU
Look at the crowd of young people. Nothing like it in the so called west.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 31 2024 3:54 utc | 356
“When men and women are rewarded for greed, greed becomes a corrupting motivator. When we equate the gluttonous consumption of the earth’s resources with a status approaching sainthood, when we teach our children to emulate people who live unbalanced lives, and when we define huge sections of the population as subservient to an elite minority, we ask for trouble. And we get it.”
He wrote that stuff 20 years ago. It isnt about the R vs D election clownshow.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 31 2024 3:58 utc | 357
right wing anti-maduro TG channel
warning – very graphic violence on the streets
(and organized propaganda?)
https://t.me/s/VenezuelaNewsNetwork
and from 24 hours ago – scroll up or down
https://t.me/s/VenezuelaNewsNetwork/11529
pro-govt maduro news TG channel
https://t.me/s/venezuelanews21
confusing to me here is the “main source” (?) of purported material (vote estimates sampling) showing the basis of opposition / US backed claims they won the election at 66% against Maduro
AltaVista is an independent, civil society-run Parallel Vote Tabulation initiative, designed to produce a verifiable, scientifically accurate estimation of the national vote count from the July 28th, 2024 Venezuelan elections.
https://supervisiondev2.metabaseapp.com/public/dashboard/6b2f7b3b-16ec-4af6-84c7-69c39ee2139d?tab=16-english
eg used here on anti-govt channel – — The Venezuelan opposition presents more than 70% of the registered election minutes, which show Edmundo González’s victory over Nicolás Maduro.
https://t.me/VenezuelaNewsNetwork/11794
I am wondering how far Putin will go in supporting the Maduro Govt from here.
Posted by: Fred | Jul 31 2024 4:00 utc | 358
I am wondering how far Putin will go in supporting the Maduro Govt from here.
Posted by: Fred | Jul 31 2024 4:00 utc | 358
Putin has enough to contend with protecting Russia from western military aggression. I disagree with people thinking that Russia should be interfering all over the world with other countries’ politics. Russia then becomes just like the USA.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 31 2024 4:09 utc | 359
Quanto à Lula:
Lula é um coringa geopolítico. Por necessidade interna e pelo seu caráter apaziguador.
Assim, ele se reúne com Biden e, na hora seguinte, com AMLO e Petro.
No atual governo, ele está sempre no fio da navalha, possuindo uma maioria popular exígua para enfrentar uma classe oligárquica cliente poderosa, com o congresso e a mídia oposicionistas sempre em seus calcanhares e parte da oposição (os “bolsonaristas” fascistas) a tentar o derrubar à todo custo.
Mas ele é um cara muito habilidoso e vai impedir qualquer conflito mais grave na região.
Posted by: Soviético | Jul 31 2024 4:28 utc | 360
Karloff1 @326, that’s all true, but the dollar is backed by nothing. We have no industrial base to guarantee. Only military force and a good bluff. Respectfully yours.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 31 2024 4:35 utc | 361
Wisco | Jul 31 2024 3:58 utc | 357
That piece you quoted Wisco, It is something that has and will stand the test of time.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 31 2024 4:38 utc | 362
I went back to the first post on this thread. Here it is:
Message from Hell:
“Case# 0374011806: Regain access – Hacked or compromised [ref:00DA0000000K0A8.500Vp000009GJEW:ref]”
Do the math.
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2024 16:53 utc | 1
Laurence, I can make no sense of your message, so perhaps that is it; it makes no sense. And the next one, from a Michael Hudson essay, does make sense but is talking about civilization and barbarism; barbarism.
Then somewhere in the third or fourth page of the thread, someone says that Jesus did not exist because there is no proof of his existence, nothing tangible; it is all our imagination, these last centuries of two millenia, imagination.
Yes, that is hell. But somehow, the internet is still clicking along, though sometimes it fails and sometimes if we have books or gardens or sewing to do, we do that. So, before it fails again I will say this about Jesus. Not that he existed and exists – you can leave that question aside. But some people had some interesting things to say about him that work in a literary fashion as fragments from a kaleidiscope to tug at the mind and connect with all the other fragments of being, making a lovely pattern.
I went back to Matthew’s first post and saw that it is “The geneology of Jesus Christ… Geneology is of interest to many folk, but here it is very simple, not like the geneology at the beginning of Genesis, though this is another beginning. This is the geneology of a man who might or might not have lived. And instead of all those ‘begats’, here we have only two. Matthew says Jesus was, or is… (well he really doesn’t say ‘is’ at all so we can put that aside, his ‘isness’.) Mathew says “The book of the geneology of… no ‘is’, just what comes next, in apposition to the name — “…Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
And that’s it, the entire geneology – two fathers, or maybe a father and a grandfather, looking backwards. So, not beginning with Adam or any of the others, Methuselah, Noah, Joseph … Just those two. And that reminds me that Jesus said at one point that the entire Law of Moses hangs on only two commandments. Two links in a chain. Just two: love the Lord Thy God, and love thy neighbor as thyself. That’s the connection to those two fathers – a lot of love.
There’s a lot of love, anguished maybe, but love in these comment threads. Hard to bear sometimes, but people are hurting and trying to help. Without the hell, we might pass by, but we see it and we don’t.
Laurence, you have a beautiful name; this is just a very small onion I am sending you, and you might have given up on getting a response, but here it is.
Hang in there.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 31 2024 4:42 utc | 363
‘We have no industrial base to guarantee. Only military force and a good bluff.”
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 31 2024 4:35 utc | 361
USA has massive agricultural production. Don’t discount food trade as a very effective geopolitical tool. Ag subsidies matter.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 31 2024 4:42 utc | 364
Just hoping Roger Tucker @ SitrepWorld is ok, his site hasn’t been updated since the 26th.
Latest on the Malian ambush, Mali has lodged a formal compliant with Ukraine for its links to the terrorists. Andrei Yusov from the Main Intelligence Directorate has claim credit for the successful ambush. The project was apparently coordinated by Andrey Grabarenko together with certain British citizens (MI6)?
Apparently, there are 2 Russians operators in Africa.
Former Wagner, led by Anton Elizarov and part of the group that was ambushed, and the Afrikan Corp led by former General Surovikin.
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 31 2024 4:46 utc | 365