This is an interesting read on the outcome of the 3rd plenum by the president of the China Society of Industrial Economics.
Most interesting quote is: “The goal of reform in the new stage is to provide institutional guarantees for the Chinese path to modernization.”
The point is that China has found its way and laid the groundwork for modernization, to paraphrase Deng Xiaoping it has found the right stones to cross the river with. And now it needs to ensure these stones are well anchored (i.e. the institutional guarantees) to get to the other side of the river bank.
I think it is a great example of how far ahead China is in being committed to people development, in governance and regulation, and forward thinking and planning. There is nothing in the western world that comes close to China’s expertise and achievements.

The interplay of development and governance in China’s modernization strategy
Since 1978, China’s policy of reform and opening up has been pivotal in propelling the nation toward big achievements. Its distinct and unique path of development has thrived due to a system and mechanisms that have been continually fine-tuned and strengthened through ongoing reforms.
Today, the country enters a new stage of modernization, one with Chinese characteristics.
Over the past 46 years, the evolution of China’s institutional reforms can be categorized into two primary focuses: development-oriented and governance-oriented. These dual focuses have coexisted since 1978, with the balance of emphasis shifting post-2013.
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Tax reform should be promoted to ensure social benefits are matched with taxes paid and to maintain local governments’ fiscal sustainability.
Revenues from the transfer of rural resources should primarily be used to bolster the social security of the rural population.
Meanwhile, the interests of the private sector should be effectively protected. Discriminatory practices toward the private sector should not be allowed and the legislative process of a private sector promotion law should be accelerated.
Efforts should also be made to nurture green development through improved institutional mechanisms, such as related laws, plans, standards, information disclosure, financial policies and carbon trading markets, to integrate ecological and environmental protection with economic development.
Additionally, strengthening community-based social governance is essential. This should include shifting the focus of governance and services toward community levels, enhancing the governance systems of both urban and rural communities, reinforcing the foundation of basic-level social governance, and meeting the public’s growing desire for transparency and involvement in social management.
The author is president of the China Society of Industrial Economics and a professor of economics at the University of Chinese Academy of Social Sciences
https://www.bjreview.com/Opinion/Voice/202407/t20240719_800372363.html
Full text: Communique of the Third Plenary Session of the 20th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China
https://www.bjreview.com/Documents/202407/t20240719_800372301.html

Posted by: Fred | Jul 26 2024 4:40 utc | 403

And what happens to carbon monoxide when it enters the atmosphere?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 3:31 utc | 397
Carbon monoxide oxidizes, like methane, so neither accumulates, but the “cold oxidization” is not fast either, if I recall correctly, for methane it takes 10 years or so, for CO it takes a month or two. Water vapor and other molecules participate in this process, so the speed varies in different times and locations.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 26 2024 4:48 utc | 405

About “special behavior” of molecules: it takes quantum mechanics to explain, quantum effects restrict interactions between molecules and between molecules and photons with different wavelengths. Once you accept which interactions are allowed according to quantum theory or chemical observations, you can write respective chemical equations etc.
For example, at lower temperatures, CO + O -> CO2 does not happen, but a chain of interactions with this end result does happen.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 26 2024 4:55 utc | 407

I don’t know about the rest of you here, but I’m tired of hearing whether the Trump thing was fake or not. We’ll never know. Like JFK. Forget about it. Let’s move on to other things. And the US presidential race? Forget about it.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 26 2024 4:55 utc | 409
Oh, it was real. The explanation is what’s fake.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 26 2024 5:08 utc | 409

Some ‘headlines for Australians.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-military-seeking-strategic-advantages-builds-up-australias-northern-bases-2024-07-26/
“US military, seeking strategic advantages, builds up Australia’s northern bases amid China tensions”
I could be bothered reading the article. US military build up he has been ongoing for some time, certainly back to Gillard’s short reign. And once the shit hit the fan in this region, I will have no empathy for apathetic specimins around me that I do for the idiot Europeans and Ukroids who are at the heart of that storm.
Domesticated lambs placidly walking into the slaughterhouse.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 6:33 utc | 411

Any news on the Dark Eagle test yet?
Posted by: AG | Jul 26 2024 4:27 utc | 402
They first have to work out how to get their broken down Boeing spaceship back from the space station. It was a brave crew to even go up in it. I would have been worried it would nose dive into the ground or blow out a panel or something.
I’m waiting to see if the Yanks have to call Mr Putin and ask Russia to go and salvage their crew with the oldie but goodie Soyuz.
But I’m sure once that is sorted, the Yanks will get their Broken Eagle sorted and flying.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 6:49 utc | 413

The bizarre worldview of American police experts. About a week ago, a black woman was shot dead in her home in circumstances so bizarre and outrageous that the policeman who did it is already charged with murder 1. CNN invited expert to analyze from the video tape of the incident (body camera of the patrol partner) and list what went wrong. An excerpt:
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note a pot of boiling water on the lit stove, and Massey gets up and moves to the kitchen to turn off the heat and take the pot off the stove.
“We don’t need a fire while we’re here,” one deputy says.
Neither officer has any issue with her going over to get the pot, the video shows. […]
When she grabs the pot of boiling water, one deputy steps back “away from your hot steaming water,” he says.
“I rebuke you in the name of Jesus,” she says in response.
“Huh?” the deputy says.
“I rebuke you in the name of Jesus,” she repeats.
“You better f**king not or I swear to God I’ll f**king shoot you in the f**king face,” Grayson says to her.
What the experts say: IACP researchers have noted a low tone of voice may be preferable when dealing with someone in mental distress and that making threats “may create additional fright, stress, and potential aggression,” Campbell said.
“While an officer is certainly well within their rights to use whatever volume of voice they believe is required to obtain compliance from a subject, law enforcement experts here again draw a distinction for someone in mental crisis,” he said.
Miller similarly said “calmer dialogue” could have been used
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Calmer dialogue could be used, without shouting. True enough, but isn’t the main issue that Graysone somehow entered homicidal rage after being rebuked? This is not the only case of a policeman suddenly panicking and turning super-aggressive, except that the rage was directed at a frail woman not doing anything threatening. The training of police in many American jurisdictions may amplify that tendency. What followed we even worse, of course, she dropped to her knees, said sorry, while Grayson closed the distance and killed from 1-2 meters away, with one shot hitting her in the face as he promised. Again, shouting and super-offensive language was not the real problem but a symptom of a problem which was paranoia/panic followed by homicidal rage.
I would also stress that while the killed women behaved a bit strangely, replying and moving slowly, not knowing where her ID is (which is rather normal, she is at home preparing for bed, not going shopping), it was not a crisis in the sense of a threat. Deputy Grayson exhibited dangerous, irrational behavior.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 26 2024 7:33 utc | 415

Piotr Berman
Farts sound better than belches but yes that is correct. Though have you ever yarded a mob of feral goats? It puts the beans scene in blazing saddles to shame.
Woolly kangaroos? I reckon even the kiwis would have trouble shearing them. Not to mention trying to muster them.
But yeah, in the feedlot industry there are feed mixes that greatly reduce methane production in the gut. Much of Australia is not suitable for cropping or farming – low rainfall, leached/ weathered type geology and so is really only suitable for grazing. Sheep and cattle will likely remain the main grazing animals for some time. They both have similar digestive system. Goats and camels have a different digestive system and in many areas are more suitable. Goat grazing has greatly taken off in the last couple of decades, bringing higher prices, better returns per acre than sheep and cattle but it still only makes up a small part of the grazing industry.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 8:38 utc | 417

Roger | Jul 26 2024 8:56 utc | 419
In studying the ice core charts, especially from Antarctica, I don’t believe the ‘feedback loops’ theory is correct.
The antarctic ice cores where best for this as the weather/climate system,s there are far more stable than norther hemisphere and the Greenland ice cores.
What stood out for me, and it was very pronounced at the ending of the last glacial and start of this interglacial, was first the dust levels dropped away to near zero and when dust levels were near bottomed out temperature would start to rise. After temperature stated to rise levels of atmospheric CO2 began to rise – I assume due to warming seas releasing dissolved gas.
The earths climate is constantly changing thing, regardless of man. The current climate change enthusiasts seem to have this view that climate in its natural form is unchanging therefore all climate change is due to man.
I think there does need to be a lot of solid scientific research put into determining how much is natural and how much is due to man if any.
In any scientific area in this current west, all science must be either PC as in ideologically driven or as in big pharma, profits driven.
Very little, if any, pure science in this ‘modern’ west. A return of the dark ages.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 9:14 utc | 419

Many of the posters here are atheists and Leftist leaning and despise religiosity of all sorts-ok, I get it.
Yet they will believe any climate Hogwash without a whisper of reflection; such that they don’t believe in any God , however, they have religious fervor about the Woke man made climate change-the paradox is baffling.
Anyways, for any of you that still trust rational thought over MSM propaganda watch the video below =it will set you straight on what the reality of climate change actually is.
Randall Carlson is one of the leading geologists/climatologists for examining why global warming and global cooling occur.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/190slemJsUXH5pEYR6DUbf

Posted by: canuck | Jul 26 2024 9:43 utc | 421

“The critique I got was that the last 30 years is what count in CO2 emissions. The faithful xo not need no stinking science.”
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 26 2024 6:57 utc | 415
With all due respect you don’t know what you are talking about nor do your ‘vaunted’ sources.
When coming out of an ice age (17,000 years and counting) the planet warms for about 50,000 years-we are currently-the earth warms up CO2 (the cornerstone of all organic life NOT a pollutant) increases more arable land opens up and more plants, humans and animals can live and prosper.
The earth had a mini ice age from the 14th to 19th centuries so CO2 in the atmosphere declined and so did the amount of arable land-now that we are in a warming period CO2 increase from a very low level historically and there is more arable land-that is good, not bad.
I could go on-if you are really interested how the Earth works I suggest you watch the video I provided above-or, like most-you can listen to the next Sermon from the MSM how man is destroying the planet..

Posted by: canuck | Jul 26 2024 10:11 utc | 423

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Posted by: Menz | Jul 26 2024 10:15 utc | 425

I think there does need to be a lot of solid scientific research put into determining how much is natural and how much is due to man if any.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 9:14 utc | 420

This.
I would posit that there is little or no desire to get an answer to this vital question.
The central tenet of the climate alarmists is than mankind is fully responsible for all climate change and therefore mankind can fix it. Like true atheists, they elevate us to God like creatures that can command nature.
Anybody who gardens will know this is nonsense.
From that flows all of the idiocratic solutions thus far tried and yet to be tried – most of which are far more harmful, polluting and energy intensive than the things they pretend to replace.
It is an industry all of its own, dominated by big business and the scions of the ultra-rich, who, naturally, want all of the pain to be borne by the rest of us so that they can continue in their high carbon footprint lifestyles.
Its a boondoggle and death cult all in one.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 26 2024 10:24 utc | 427

@canuck | Jul 26 2024 9:35 utc | 421
Good post, nice summary.

All of these extreme climate changes occurred before fossil fuel were used.

Because “fossil fuel” isn’t “fossil”. This term has been invented to create an impression of imminent shortage. Hydrocarbons are created from Hydrogen and Carbon in high temperature/pressure conditions, something which exists in abundance in the earth. Hydrocarbons are not generally the result of deceased dinosaurs or remains of biologic life. Those that believe that will have to explain when biologic life expired on Saturns Moon Titan, where there are large Methane lakes (yes) and a dense (~1 ATM) Methane atmosphere. It is certainly not from cow farts.

I live on the northern banks of Lake Ontario.
500 MM years ago where my house now stands the climate was tropical with CO2 levels 4 times the CO2 levels in today’s atmosphere. The earth did just fine.
20,000 years ago where my house now stands there was 1.5 miles of ice above my house.

Where I live (Southern Norway) we were also covered in ice 20000 years ago. Lake Ontario is an interesting location since it is not so far from the location where a comet fragment or asteroid hit the Laurentide Ice Sheet some 12800 years ago. When that happened, the ice sheet shattered and huge km size ice boulders were launched in ballistic orbits in all directions. The remains of this can still be observed all along the US east cost in the form of the Carolina Bays, which are elliptical depressions on sandy soil. They were secondary impacts of ice boulders travelling in ballistic orbits, mostly well above the atmosphere, creating conical depressions that have since relaxed. As you may know, intersecting a cone with a plane creates a mathematical ellipse. All the ellipses have their long axes oriented towards the Great Lakes, indicating the source of the primary impact. The eccentricity of the ellipses indicates the angle of impact, the size corresponds to the size of the ice boulder. From this information it is possible to compute the parameters of the ballistic trajectories.
The secondary impacts did not just fall on the US east coast, they fell all over present day US, killing the North American megafauna overnight. Only where the ground conditions were right, remains of secondary impacts can still be found, such as the Carolina Bays and the “Nebraska rainwater basins”. In Nebraska the long axes of the ellipses are rotated, still pointing towards the great lakes where the primary impact happened.
So did this affect the climate? Yes indeed, this was the beginning of the Younger Dryas cold period. The last Ice age was waning at that time, but the Younger Dryas event caused global temperatures to drop 10-15C overnight and it lasted for ~1000 years before the climate normalized, probably because of ice crystals in Earth orbit blocking the Sun.
Even more interesting is the fact that this event is likely the origin of the “Great Flood” that we read about in the Bible and elsewhere. The ice boulders landing in the Atlantic ocean created huge tsunamis in Europe and the Mediterranean, the giant waves wiped out the civilization that had built the Pyramids of Egypt and many other megalithic structures that is found around the Earth along the equator. It took civilization ~7000 years to recover and reboot in Mesopotamia and Egypt, where the Pharaos discovered the Pyramids, the Sphinx and many other remains.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2024 10:46 utc | 429

@canuck | Jul 26 2024 9:43 utc | 422

Randall Carlson is one of the leading geologists/climatologists for examining why global warming and global cooling occur.

Indeed, Randall Carlson’s explanations on the origins of the Scablands of Washington State is highly recommended.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2024 10:51 utc | 431

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2024 10:46 utc | 430

Because “fossil fuel” isn’t “fossil”. […] Those that believe that will have to explain when biologic life expired on Saturns Moon Titan, where there are large Methane lakes (yes) and a dense (~1 ATM) Methane atmosphere. It is certainly not from cow farts.

Come’n. Methane is the simplest hydrocarbon, can be produced biologically or by geological activity. To argue the hypothesis that fossil fuel is not fossil you need to show evidence of crude oil in planets that never had life. Btw, the presence of methane is one clue that scientists use to scout exoplanets for presence of life forms.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 26 2024 11:25 utc | 433

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 26 2024 11:25 utc | 434
There are no such thing as ‘fossil fuels’; that theory was pushed by Joh D. Rockefeller to make oil a finite substance such that his Standard Oil would be more valuable.
And 100 years later Sheeple still believe in that ‘fairy tale’.
Oil is created abiotically in the center of the earth and we will never run out of hydrocarbons-although they may get more expensive as companies drill deeper or in remote areas depending on how much technology progresses.
“4. Conclusion
The following general conclusions could be made on the basis of the experimental results discussed
above:
• the abiotic generation of hydrocarbons in the mantle is a real physicochemical process. The
«methane» path of hydrocarbons synthesis under mantle conditions has been proved
experimentally,
• our suggestion that the fact of hydrocarbon synthesis at thermobaric conditions of the
upper mantle does not depend on the type of carbon donor was confirmed. The general
path of the reaction could be described as follows: donor of carbon + donor of hydrogen +
deoxidizer → hydrocarbons,
• cooling rate of the fluid synthesized at high pressure makes essential impact on its final
composition. Decreasing of cooling rate leads to higher hydrocarbon yield and appearance” (1)
1.https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/215/1/012103/pdf

Posted by: canuck | Jul 26 2024 11:44 utc | 435

“1.https://www.commerce.senate.gov/services/files/FC7C4946-11A3-4967-BF28-8D0386608D3E“
Posted by: canuck | Jul 25 2024 19:15 utc | 315
“Thank You for this post, preview and link.
Much appreciated.”
Fíréan
You are welcome.
Posted by: Fíréan | Jul 26 2024 10:48 utc | 431

Posted by: canuck | Jul 26 2024 11:52 utc | 437

Posted by: canuck | Jul 25 2024 20:37 utc | 330
“You are a generous soul. Whatever our past differences, peace and friendship to you.”
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 26 2024 11:19 utc | 433
Well we will still have differences; but the ‘difference’ going forward is that we will both respect the other’s viewpoint even when not agreeing with such.
Peace and friendship to you as well.

Posted by: canuck | Jul 26 2024 11:54 utc | 439

Indeed, Randall Carlson’s explanations on the origins of the Scablands of Washington State is highly recommended.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2024 10:51 utc | 432
I lived in Yakima, Wa. and Williamette Valley, Or. for some years. Been all over the scablands. NW USA geology is fascinating. J Harlen Bretz got the scablands right first.
Randall Carlson
Check out utubes from Nick Zentner, geologist from Central Wa. College.
Nick Zentner
Then, if you’re into digging deeper, ha,

While not revolutionary in its implications, the debate is, nevertheless, instructive for how it illustrates the workings of science; where the latter is defined not as a sterile collection of facts, or even as a logical application of method, but rather as the collective workings and attitudes of human beings passionately dedicated to the search for truth.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120923061043id_/http://ice.tsu.ru/files/paul/files/SpokaneFloodDebates.pdf

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 26 2024 12:13 utc | 441

Posted by: canuck | Jul 26 2024 11:44 utc | 436

There are no such thing as ‘fossil fuels’; that theory was pushed by Joh D. Rockefeller to make oil a finite substance such that his Standard Oil would be more valuable.

Lol, mischievous greedy capitalists conspiring to bamboozle the world.
The paper you quote doesn’t prove geochemical creation of crude oil, which is mostly paraffins and other long-chained hydrocarbons.
To deny that fossil fuels are not fossil, proof need to be provided of abiotic production of crude oil, not just methane, ethane, butane, but crude oil, with long-chained hydrocarbons such as paraffins.
There are also biomarkers in crude oil, such as steroids. Steroids are organic compounds.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 26 2024 12:22 utc | 443

“However, the way humans are organized, they cannot move freely from areas close to equator that may become too hot for humans (as is, thousands die from heat every year in spite of genetic and lifestyle adaptations) to the north,..”
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 26 2024 4:21 utc | 400
With all due respect you are misinformed-many more people, today, perish from cold than heat:
“It has been estimated that about 5.1 million excess deaths per year are associated with non-optimal temperatures. Of those, 4.6 million are associated with colder than optimum temperatures, and 0.5 million are associated with hotter than optimum temperatures.” (1)
1. https://thebreakthrough.org/issues/energy/human-deaths-from-hot-and-cold-temperatures-and-implications-for-climate-change

Posted by: canuck | Jul 26 2024 12:27 utc | 445

Posted by: canuck | Jul 26 2024 12:13 utc | 443
Thank you cannuck for being envious of my comment.
Take it and make it yours.
In my reply to your comment #443 I made an error.
I wrote “To deny that fossil fuels are not fossil,” when I should have written “To deny that fossil fuels are fossil,”.
And I apologize for the sarcasm at the start of my reply.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 26 2024 12:34 utc | 447

“I lived in Yakima, Wa. and Williamette Valley, Or. for some years. Been all over the scablands. NW USA geology is fascinating. J Harlen Bretz got the scablands right first.
Randall Carlson”
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 26 2024 12:13 utc | 442
You are quite correct-Bretz was the first to get the ‘scablands’ right.

Posted by: canuck | Jul 26 2024 12:45 utc | 449

The science of climate change – as in Pfizer’s ‘trust the science’.
The pinnicle of scienific climate change would have to Greta Thunberg. All the “world leaders” – political scum masquerading as normal people in the west all scrambling to get there photo ops with the hate filled idiot child. For a short time the poster child of ‘climate change’.
Now, like a hate filled and rabies infected Chihuahua, she only makes the media a bit when she is arrested for being a public nuisance. I remember the propaganda in the western media when ‘dictator’ Putin did not deign to meet publicly or at all with the greatest of all idiot child’s.
That the man made climate change ‘science’ enthusiasts massively promoted that idiot child should be a clear sign to anyone as to just how much science is in this nihilist ideology.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 13:05 utc | 451

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 6:40 utc | 413
Piotr Berman | Jul 26 2024 4:48 utc | 406
Year. It was just a little homework assignment for the clown. But after studying ice core charts, I have no time for the climate change “cow farts are deadly” religion.

I just moved ony 5 km up the road, and about 3-400 feet higher elevation, into a surprisingly different climate and feel. (Just above the coffee level.) Interesting how much changes in such a short distance but hill country is like that; weather changes rapidly too. Was uncomfortably cold 30 minutes ago and now the risen sun is making it almost too warm.
Many goats and cows around here so have been ruminating mentally as they do so physically about how it is mainly thanks to animals that we have beautiful countryside. So much work done by chewing, chewing, chewing! They create beautiful fields and rich, living soil, space between forested areas, views, a sense of wakeful presence in which humans thrive and so on. Boiling cows down to fart production, as do computer nerds like Bill Gates, whose obscene wealth is making him play with the entire world instead of confining himself to a few golf courses and beach towns, is dangerously stupid. (But I guess anyone who had the luck and smarts to develop Windows OS used all over the world would get delusions of grandeur, eh? He needs to stay in his lane, that’s all.)
Anyway, back to enjoying the view – black rocks pulled up by glaciers long ago in fields tended by bronze-coloured cattle with large horns. It’s green and lush year round and a lot like Ireland, but at 5,000 feet we often find ourselves ensconced in dense, humid clouds or in seasonal torrential downpours….

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 26 2024 13:09 utc | 453

Scorpion | Jul 26 2024 13:09 utc | 454
Sounds like your close to some nice nature there and not just in the tourist happy snaps meaning.
I live in a shitty urban environment now, but although it was hot and in some ways harsh country, a good part of my life was spent observing nature – the natural world. I guess it helped form the opinions I have now which I assume are quite different to that of the ‘eco tourist’ type.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 13:21 utc | 455

oldhippie | Jul 26 2024 13:23 utc | 457 “Fools , morons, and idiots who think carbon dioxide makes plants grow”
You have really flipped your lid with that one. The greenhouse owners/mangers/workers that produce a huge amount of produce in a small area are – fools, morons, and idiots”.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 13:27 utc | 457

“Fools , morons, and idiots who think carbon dioxide makes plants grow”
Trust the “science” as Pfizer says… the ‘science of global warming – and the ‘scientifically’ minded Greta. Its an extremist ideology/religion.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 13:32 utc | 459

oldhippie | Jul 26 2024 13:42 utc | 461
I do believe we need to reduce emissions wherever possible and in a sustainable way. The need to determine how much climate change is man made, how much is natural and there is also the need to determine the percentage of ‘greenhouse gasses’ to percentage of HO2 gas in the atmosphere as HO2 gas is far and away the largest proportion of greenhouse gases.
This current phenomenon of wokism here in the west is a suicidal ideology that replaces religion. A very nihilist dark age.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 13:49 utc | 461

HO2…. H2O
HO2 I guess would be some sort of super duper hydrogen peroxide.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 13:57 utc | 463

“Fools , morons, and idiots who think carbon dioxide makes plants grow”
It’s not clear to me who said that, but my comment is CO2 is the only thing that will easily double the harvest of a cannabis grow room.
Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 26 2024 13:52 utc | 463
Yeah, exactly. CO2 levels have a huge effect on my fern and palms. Have a monitor in that room and over time, higher carbon dioxide levels make a very obvious difference. Generally that correlates to having poker games and gatherings in that part of the house.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 26 2024 14:15 utc | 465

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 26 2024 14:15 utc | 466
Sounds like you are monitoring background CO2 levels and people do make a big difference in a room, I remember the crying and wailing when Hawaii went over 400ppm, but you should see 1400ppm and up!

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 26 2024 14:33 utc | 467

And I don’t know what “wokism” has to do with anything, but it’s beyond tiresome to see the words “woke” and its variants in every thread now. FFS. Not directed to you, but MoA has degenerated into a bunch of old white dudes boringly bitching about shit lately.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 26 2024 14:13 utc | 465
Woke is a term originating in this US. Those that fervently believe in the danger of cow also believe in child sex change and so forth. It is a mindset or an ideology that replaces religion and is very prevalent in the western world.
It is a destructive hate filled mindset especially amongst the core believers. It is in every way an extremist mindset that cannot just be ignored.
I see it all about me and it ranges from the true believers to those that simply go with the flow.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 14:38 utc | 469

More real science not computer model estimates clearly illustrate that the global warming types religious converts have ing faith in MSM computer models- rather than using own rational thought
“In science, observational data are the ultimate test of theory and modeling.
Climate data show significant divergence between computer predictions and the
Earth’s actual climate record. Figure 2 shows average global temperature changes
during 1995–2015, as provided by NASA satellite data: despite a 13 percent increase
in atmospheric CO2 levels during this period, there is no statistically discernible
warming trend. The climate record is thus at odds with the IPCC’s Third (2001) and
Fourth (2007) Assessment Reports’ forecasts.4 During this 20-year period, the Earth’s
atmosphere warmed by only 0.05 C; but computer models predicted a far more
dramatic 0.4 C rise in global temperature” (1)
1. https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/english-vineyards-again/

Posted by: canuck | Jul 26 2024 14:55 utc | 471

Climate debate observation
Alot of the support for carbon based climate change theory seems to come from the same mouths as those that think there’s too many usless feeders. King charles for one. At the core the money that pusnes this narrative comes from an anti human ideology. Remember carbon IS life on earth.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 26 2024 14:59 utc | 473

some 12800 years ago. When that happened, the ice sheet shattered and huge km size ice boulders were launched in ballistic orbits in all directions. The remains of this can still be observed all along the US east cost in the form of the Carolina Bays, which are elliptical depressions on sandy soil. They were secondary impacts of ice boulders travelling in ballistic orbits, mostly well above the atmosphere, creating conical depressions that have since relaxed. As you may know, intersecting a cone with a plane creates a mathematical ellipse. All the ellipses have their long axes oriented towards the Great Lakes, indicating the source of the primary impact. The eccentricity of the ellipses indicates the angle of impact, the size corresponds to the size of the ice boulder. From this information it is possible to compute the parameters of the ballistic trajectories.
The secondary impacts did not just fall on the US east coast, they fell all over present day US, killing the North American megafauna overnight. Only where the ground conditions were right, remains of secondary impacts can still be found, such as the Carolina Bays and the “Nebraska rainwater basins”. In Nebraska the long axes of the ellipses are rotated, still pointing towards the great lakes where the primary impact happened.
So did this affect the climate? Yes indeed, this was the beginning of the Younger Dryas cold period. The last Ice age was waning at that time, but the Younger Dryas event caused global temperatures to drop 10-15C overnight and it lasted for ~1000 years before the climate normalized, probably because of ice crystals in Earth orbit blocking the Sun.
Even more interesting is the fact that this event is likely the origin of the “Great Flood” that we read about in the Bible and elsewhere. The ice boulders landing in the Atlantic ocean created huge tsunamis in Europe and the Mediterranean, the giant waves wiped out the civilization that had built the Pyramids of Egypt and many other megalithic structures that is found around the Earth along the equator. It took civilization ~7000 years to recover and reboot in Mesopotamia and Egypt, where the Pharaos discovered the Pyramids, the Sphinx and many other remains.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2024 10:46 utc | 430
Just a couple of caveats, maybe it wasn’t the kind of blast you think
Maybe the megafauna, that suffered a bit but wasn’t exterminated by the blasts and winter,was hunted down by an abnormal number of new hunters without alternative food sources
Maybe the reboot some 6.400 years ago was not the first but the second reboot after the ~12.800 BP event
Just Maybe

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 15:03 utc | 475

TheBAG | Jul 26 2024 14:47 utc | 471
Those sites in current Turkey that date back 13,000 years withe the finely carved and large stones – that was at the very depths of the ice age, the very coldest point just before the dramatic global warming that took a into the current holocene…..
Genesis in the bible is I believe one of the earliest written records of oral history. There are other similar oral histories in that region also recorded in the earliest writing.
The story of Noah – Much rain and waters rising from the deep. In that period of great change the sea levels rose at times and places relatively rapidly and no doubt their would have been periods of heavy rainfall.
The story of Noah, genesis is I think the early oral history of the hebrew tribe, and no doubt other tribes in that region would have had similar oral histories.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 15:00 utc | 475
Sorry but there are way older stories.
“The deluge ” is only from the second/latest reboot. (and that for the sumerian one, the biblical one is an adaptation/spinoff using a minor local event to re-date)

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 15:10 utc | 477

And I don’t know what “wokism” has to do with anything, but it’s beyond tiresome to see the words “woke” and its variants in every thread now.
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 26 2024 14:13 utc | 465
Hit the freakin’ nail on the head, there, TQC. You can say that again.
it’s beyond tiresome to see the words “woke” and its variants in every thread
Thank you.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 26 2024 15:11 utc | 479

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 9:14 utc | 420

In any scientific area in this current west, all science must be either PC as in ideologically driven or as in big pharma, profits driven. Very little, if any, pure science in this ‘modern’ west. A return of the dark ages.

In this area you are lost and I honestly feel sorry for you, especially when you have such great insights in other areas. The vast majority of actual academic science is not carried out for profit, and thankfully has not been invaded by either end of the political system or the social science lunacy (apart from some parts of the US, even the UK is turning away from the rejection of biology by policy makers and the related child abuse). Instead it is carried out by dedicated natural scientists who are not very well paid given their qualifications, dedication and contributions. I do find it deplorable that you so lightly insult these dedicated individuals. There is much pure science being done both in the West and in other nations too. In China, there is a massive expansion of basic science taking place – in a nation where the leaders, predominantly scientifically trained themselves, fully accept the science of anthropogenic climate change.
The scientists who work in private corporations many times wasting their time on “me too” drugs and other such profit-focused research and in some cases explicit misinformation, are another matter. The ones who go on to get MBAs etc. are the worst. The same for those being paid by big corporations and political organizations to misrepresent basic science. Your lumping in of the mass of dedicated scientists with such people is both utterly wrong and extremely insulting to them.
Australia has quite a few ice researchers, many part of the Australian Antarctic Program, such as Dr. Jason Roberts. Published in Nature and Nature Geoscience, which means he is one of the most respected global researchers. He is actually the chief researcher of the renowned ICECAP.
https://www.antarctica.gov.au/science/meet-our-scientists/dr-jason-roberts/
Certainly doesn’t look woke to me, more a roll up the sleeves and get on with it kind of guy. Been at this work for a decade or two, so pretty knowledgeable. Certainly not becoming rich doing his work, which involves spending many weeks at a time in a very uncomfortable environment on Antarctica.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2017/jan/20/interview-jason-roberts-antarctica-video
Australia also has quite a few paleoclimatologists, perhaps you could attend a talk they are giving and share your thoughts through questions or correspondence? Thats how science works, a sharing and testing of ideas. Of course, you may not get the answers you like, but that’s also how science works. Much better than insulting such hard working and dedicated individuals.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 26 2024 15:14 utc | 481

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 26 2024 15:11 utc | 480
And just to be clear on my follow-up comment, I shoulda put “commie-crazy-Fornia 2.0” in quotes because I genuinely observe those obsessed by “wokism” to be choosing their sources of information such that they inundate themselves with it. IOW, it’s a right wing bugbear and the latest iteration of the culture wars. Ridiculous to spend so much time obsessing over it. Especially for otherwise intelligent people. Class is always the issue and idpol is a divide-and-rule distraction with a kernel of truth as the basis. Bitching about woke incessantly and unnecessarily is worse than actually embracing the toxic and counterproductive fake RW version of woke, IMVHO.
Roger is very good at explaining that part.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 26 2024 15:22 utc | 483

Where is c1ue when we “need” him to put all of us liberal commie red True American Patriot Reagan and prosperity hating climate religionists in our place?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 26 2024 15:28 utc | 485

Biden ‘diversity, The german green bimbo declaring coal is green because war with Russia was more important, the Thunberg operation – There are many more. These people are ideological freaks, extremists, yet not many see the danger in this insidious ideology.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 15:33 utc | 487

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 15:33 utc | 488
None of them climate scientists, rather politicians and corporate-serving manipulators. The “Green” parties were infiltrated by the neo-liberals and the security services a long time ago and became the parties of warmongering rather than of the environment. So what’s your point?

Posted by: Roger | Jul 26 2024 15:46 utc | 489

@Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 15:00 utc | 475

Those sites in current Turkey that date back 13,000 years withe the finely carved and large stones – that was at the very depths of the ice age, the very coldest point just before the dramatic global warming that took a into the current holocene…..

Göbekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe are dated 12000 years before present if I remember correctly. That is at the very end of the last ice age. The YD event came at the end of the last ice age.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2024 15:54 utc | 491

It is interesting to note the differences between the southern and northern ice core charts. The southern hemisphere did not have a YD. I think both began lifting out of the depths of the glacial at about the same time, but then the northern hemisphere suddenly dipped back into the YD before rising to the current Holocene.
Historically, a far more eratic climate in the north than in the south with many large ups and downs even right through the last glacial. Also its coldest times were far colder than in the south.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 16:08 utc | 493

@Newbie | Jul 26 2024 15:03 utc | 476

Maybe the megafauna, that suffered a bit but wasn’t exterminated by the blasts and winter,was hunted down by an abnormal number of new hunters without alternative food sources

I think “the Clovis ate the megafauna” is an absurd hypothesis without any factual support.

Maybe the reboot some 6.400 years ago was not the first but the second reboot after the ~12.800 BP event

AFAIK there is no evidence for that. We know the conventional history of Mesopotamia (Iraq) and Egypt, but nothing big before that, except there are huge remains all over the world that are clearly many thousands (7000+) of years older than those and representing a completely different level of technology.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2024 16:19 utc | 495

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 15:52 utc | 491
And absolutely nothing to do with the actual climate science being carried out by the dedicated climate scientists. You are mistaking the shadows on the wall for reality. The oligarchs who rule the West love throwing out such shadows, different shadows for different groups but all just manipulative shadows; making the hoi polloi hate each other rather than the oligarchs and love their own subjugation. Its really important for them that they cast aspersions on actual truth tellers, as accepting any criticism or other base of truths would greatly impinge on their ability to manipulate through those shadows on the wall. Both ends of the fake political spectrum are as much post-modernist and post-materialist as the other.
The “progressives” profess to accept the reality of anthropogenic climate change while in reality doing next to nothing about it, for example Obama was proud of the Shale revolution that happened under his watch! The “right” play games by throwing out profit-making BS solutions such as CCS, while at the same time funding outright denial of anthropogenic climate change. All the while the oligarchs fund both sides to continue manipulating the hoi polloi to scream at each other.
Same with the culture wars. We have Lindsay Graham enjoying his long-term homosexual partner while espousing homophobic beliefs and policies (strange how the “left wing” media never ever talks about this). Or a Trump that would not have hesitated to get his daughter a “vacation” in Europe to rid her of an unwanted child leading a party that espouses anti-abortion policies, and of course his good friend in his youth the homosexual monster Cohen. Then there is Dick Cheney’s acceptance of his gay daughter and Obama’s resistance to gay marriage in the 2000s. And Biden’s love of his misogynistic, racist bigot “best buddy”. And the Clinton’s racist utterings about Black youth in the 1990s. Nothing is as it seems with the oligarchs and their courtier tools. Look how the Obama’s made cookies for Bush Jr., and lesbian Ellen hanging out with the homophobic Bush Jr.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 26 2024 16:45 utc | 497

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 25 2024 20:01 utc | 323
“It was only the attempted assassination of one candidate, former president, and most polarizing figure in modern politics, and then the resignation of the president of the world’s most powerful and belligerent nation. Quite irrelevant to geopolitics.”
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 21:05 utc | 339
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I found this conversation with William Binny insightful, especially how the 5 eyes have direct access to everything hoovered up by the surveillance state. I suppose that means the other agency in ME also has direct access.
So lots of material to use for internecine wars amongst ruling class which reside not in one country only.
It’s a bit parochial for some of us to assume that the attempted asssaszination of the former president has little to do with natoists, 5 eye countries and geopolitics. I understand weariness of fire hosing misinformation on the topic.
My level of understanding is worse than bad. So there’s that.
@ 20 minutes:
Binny: By the way I should also point out that all the Five Eyes
have access to the NSA database …direct …they don’t even go through Quantico, they go directly in …I mean that’s all documented too in
the Snowden materials. A lot of people didn’t understand that
but it’s called through the IC reach program. That’s the one they use.
The others have the X key score. That’s for the third parties and and others who aren’t in this selective group…
Start ~ 50:00, then at ~ 54:30
Binny: if he [Trump] really wants to know how to get these
people and get them rather quickly there are ways to do that … there are ways to do that using what they have done to the world.
they don’t understand that what they’ve done to the world
they’ve also done to themselves.
“Larry C. Johnson and Bill Binney on the CrowdStrike and the Russian Hack of the DNC Emails”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jXrkDJRtSw
Dialogue Works

Posted by: suzan | Jul 26 2024 16:50 utc | 499