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Tom @ 96
If you think the rest of the world dont hate trump with a passion, you need to get out more.
He represents every thing the world hates about america.
Just look at the guys face OMG.
He looks like a bloated pig !
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 24 2024 23:55 utc | 101
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 23:51 utc | 99
It’s gotta be a parody account. Even the most basic spell checker would correct 90% of his “errors” before catching fire and exploding.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 24 2024 23:55 utc | 102
Trump has very low ratings on ‘Confidence to do the right thing with regard to world affairs’ in a large portion of the Western world, anglophone or not.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/06/11/globally-biden-receives-higher-ratings-than-trump/
Posted by: a stone | Jul 25 2024 0:01 utc | 103
Anybody catch that post where he corrected the spelling of one of his previous posts? LoL? He actually did it once, for god knows what reason.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 23:51 utc | 99
He (or it) has done this several times, correcting one spelling after the fact while affecting not to notice several other misspellings.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 25 2024 0:01 utc | 104
“My anecdotal experience with people in the EU and Canada is that they’re usually either neutral or like him (often in a strange fawning way, as if they could vote for him or something).”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 24 2024 23:54 utc | 100
The empire MSM isn’t US-specific, its globalist. The reactions of the hoi polloi in any “nation” under its influence is going to be largely the same. People here often say “Americans” are singularly gullible and susceptible to full-scale propaganda offensives, but I don’t believe it.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 0:02 utc | 105
Officers were on 2nd floor of building with windows facing roof used by Trump rally shooter
CBS Pittsbugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c7aTZZpL3o
JOURNO: We now know that LOCAL POLICE not only were inside the AGM complex, but also inside a two-storey building with windows facing the roof the shooter got onto.
~…
A LOCAL SNIPER TEAM was in a two-storey building attached to where Patsy was. You can see where the windows are above the roof level, where Patsy was. CBS NEWS reported A LOCAL TACTICAL TEAM spotted Patsy from those windows and snapped a picture.
Patsy then pulled out a rangefinder and the sniper alerted his team.
Patsy then likely used an air conditioning unit to climb onto the building near the snipers position.
At 5:51pm STATE POLICE alerted the SECRET SERVICE about a suspicious person…..
This^ is why the radio and other comms traffic has miraculously but predictably been “lost”.
When the LOCAL TACTICAL TEAM alerted Secret Service that Patsy was in the vicinity what *exactly* did they say?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 25 2024 0:04 utc | 106
Tim.Q.Collins @ 95
The Ad-ID tracking was set up by the Advertisers Association of America in order to track ads played on devices with a Mac address for royalties, etc.
All that is needed is the Advertisers permission to track their ads, basically.
Who knew you could do this without a three letter agency and a BS FISA warrant?!
Evidently the brilliant minds that copied the Dallas ’63 playbook didn’t because any user can turn it off on their phone
Or Crowdstrike, either, or they would have scrubbed it the other day!!
I blame our edu-macation system.
This is what happens when you don’t ask the question that George W. Bush asked back in 2000 —
Is our children learning?
Posted by: Lauren Michele | Jul 25 2024 0:10 utc | 107
You guys are truly bankrupt of idea’s or defence if the best you can come up with is ……. spelling
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 25 2024 0:11 utc | 108
/cheep
I used to like the Olympics. But then its media coverage got all melodramatic soap opera-like and cut out the minor events for more mini docu-dramas. Haven’t cared for decades after that… A pity, but not a surprise.
/laps up some spilt beer
/hops to window sill and nestles
Posted by: titmouse | Jul 25 2024 0:16 utc | 109
“He looks like a bloated pig !”
Lets not insult bloated pigs by comparing them to Trump.
Posted by: hightrekker | Jul 25 2024 0:19 utc | 110
Posted by: Lauren Michele | Jul 25 2024 0:10 utc | 107
OK, so that’s at least a start. Do you have any resources to expound on this, and the third party investigation, specifically? So far what I’ve seen are spotty, incomplete statements and “offers” to collaborate with LEAs. Specific to the Crooks phone(s), that is.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2024 0:19 utc | 111
Posted by: titmouse | Jul 25 2024 0:16 utc | 109
The Olympics have been overtly politicized by the fake west. Boring now. Glad to hear that they are having trouble conjuring excitement, and stadiums won’t be filled to capacity.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 0:20 utc | 112
Tom Q Collins @ 96, UW Dude @ 98:
In Australia at least, the mainstream news media encourages the public to disdain Donald Trump and laugh at his policies and appointments (while he was President) but there are people in this country who admire him and wish that Australian politicians would put their country first before the US and Israel, or before Israel and the US, whichever of the two lobbies or threatens or blackmails the politicians harder. Most such Trump admirers would probably have something in common with people in flyover country in the US: for example, they live in underprivileged socioeconomic regions, they feel they have been neglected by Federal and State governments, and they have seen enormous job losses in their areas over the years as a result of neoliberal economic policies that encouraged companies and businesses to shunt factories and jobs to Asia.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 25 2024 0:21 utc | 113
Posted by: a stone | Jul 25 2024 0:01 utc | 103
I don’t know about the polling, but again, my anecdotal experience at sites like this one and others with a “global” readership is that people abroad (non-US) tend to like Trump (various reasons including his celebrity pre-politics) or have a “meh” opinion of him. I rarely see anyone non-American these sites expressing clear dislike or TDS. Subject and methodology of the poll is also more nuanced than the current discussion. For one thing, it compares Trump and Biden and another they drill down into specific issues. IMHO in an informal online “popularity contest” among non-Americans, Trump beats Biden.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2024 0:27 utc | 114
kana | Jul 24 2024 16:47 utc | 22
Obamas mother was a CIA operative doing “village surveys” under the cover of the Ford Foundation during and just after the CIA sponsored massacares of leftists in Indonesia. She worked out of the US embassy. I bet the “village surveys” she did was to line up lefties for slaughter. The ultimate irony for the left. I have heard CIA hands give glowing reports of her work in Indonesia.
The estalishment has a cadre of individulas they mentor through the system on the way to the possible selection as president since the end of WW II. My esitmate is 50-100 people with Obama being just one. Prior to that the establishment did it by just running someone. Clinton, Obama, the shrubs, and Nixon were selectees. Biden and LBJ just proved their value over time. JFK was not supposed to win.
Carter and Reagan were anomalies. Trump is another anomaly. Carter lined right up with them hence no assination attempt. Reagan was shot by the son of a close Bush friend. There was no hiding that fact. Reagan knew it and it was very obvious. Bush ran things after that from the Basement. Reagan ended just like Biden. Drugged up just long enough to tell a few jokes.
As an aside, this stuff is done in a clear and obvious fashion to send a message to everyone in power. JFK was the prime example. The other guy was supposed to have his head blown open live on Fox news. They missed. Its a warning to all who upset the system.
Barack Obama, His Mother, and the CIA
A Company Family: The Untold History of Obama and the CIA
Its the best I can do with links for now. This stuff gets scrubbed as fast as it gets put up.
Posted by: circumspect | Jul 25 2024 0:28 utc | 115
Kamila Harris not only got the womens vote and the ethnic vote, but here’s the news…..
Kamila Harris also has the youth vote ! You trump guys are sunk ! Sunk i tell yee.
‘Kamila Harris, its going to be a bratgirl summer,’ ‘charli xcx’
Do a search.
You can thank me later.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 25 2024 0:30 utc | 116
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 25 2024 0:21 utc | 113
I think you’ve touched on something there. Maybe it’s just that pro-Trumpers from other countries are more vocal in their support. Likely not the same people who are represented in a lot of western/American polls. It’s interesting about Aussie media, though. I was always told it’s controlled by Rupert Murdoch and leans more to the right. Figured they’d have been fans of Trump.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2024 0:30 utc | 117
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 25 2024 0:21 utc | 113
Exactly the same thing as in the US. You have virtually the same MSM, which is globalist and not US-specific. Same thing here, many people still think Trump is “standing up strong to the deep-state globalist zionists”. People will fall for it.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 0:31 utc | 118
The evidence supports the open window theory imo.
Posted by: suzan | Jul 24 2024 16:19 utc | 13
The problem with either the open window or the ‘Crooks’ position firing the first three shots is that if Trump was actually looking at the Jumbotron he was point to, his head would be turned much further to the right, and he couldn’t have been shot in the right ear from either of those positions, he’d have been hit in the left side of the head. I don’t have a 3d model for this, but I think that the water tower is a position from which hitting the right ear could have occurred. So, if that’s the case, we have three shots from the water tower, nicking Trump and causing him to go to the ground, and then that sniper withdraws while ‘Crooks’ (who is probably Maxwell Yearick) starts spraying over the top of the roof, attracting the attention of the SS snipers behind Trump, who eventually shoot him.
I doubt Crooks was ever on the scene, I think he was meant to be a DOA fall guy when the FBI tracked him down, but they already had him custody, and when the assassination failed, they probably fed him to the hogs or sharks.
Easy to disprove this theory- show me a live Maxwell Yearick.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 25 2024 0:33 utc | 119
I believed Alastair Crooks, when he said, I think last week, “the speech” in front of congress would be an anti-Iran ruse. Well here is nutty spewing she-ite (sometimes sunni) in front of congress. You are an “useful idiout” for Iran if…
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jul 25 2024 0:34 utc | 120
The Olympics have been overtly politicized by the fake west. Boring now. Glad to hear that they are having trouble conjuring excitement, and stadiums won’t be filled to capacity.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 0:20 utc | 112
Yes. Politicized, commoditized, and militarized/prison-ized.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/24/paris-living-olympic-dream-city-feels-like-a-jail-21282851/
I’ve read elsewhere that there’s very little demand for tickets on the resale market as well.
https://www.afr.com/world/europe/france-faces-glut-of-unwanted-olympics-tickets-20240724-p5jw2z
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2024 0:35 utc | 121
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 0:31 utc | 118
Most Trump supporters consider the “deep state” simply anything leftist. If you were to ask them, they dont consider the deep state to be zionist.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 0:36 utc | 123
So biden promised everything and the cure for cancer
Not sure if his eyes belong to a live human
He wants to pass the torch, id vote for torching him 😀
And Kamala
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 25 2024 0:41 utc | 124
Monday scored an all-time record global average temperature, according to Copernicus:
The Earth has just experienced its warmest day in recent history, according to the Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S) data. On 22 July 2024*, the daily global average temperature reached a new record high in the ERA5 dataset**, at 17.15°C. This exceeds the previous records of 17.09°C, set just one day before on 21 July 2024, and 17.08°C, set a year earlier on 6 July 2023.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/new-record-daily-global-average-temperature-reached-july-2024
Around the first of August, Earth has its max temp, every year. 2023 was off the top of the chart, compared to which 2024 has declined to rough parity (with the previous year) lately, as La Nina (generally) cools things down. So I was surprised to see this sudden spike in global temps:
https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/t2_daily/?dm_id=world
Many municipalities are logging record temps, but the heft of this spike is hitting Antarctica — which is not good news at all for beachfront real-estate, I’ll tell ya.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 25 2024 0:43 utc | 125
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2024 0:35 utc | 121
Seems like the only American athlete of any concern to the MSM these days is the black gymnast Simone Biles. I watch MSM sometimes to see what they are pushing.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 0:47 utc | 126
The clueless SS suit in the 3min body cam vid names “Greg” as the sniper in the nearby window:
Would that be Gregory Nicol.? of the Monaca Pennsylvania Police Department?
>Police Sergeant, K9 handler and SWAT sniper ?
>A: https://files.catbox.moe/endcbd.mp4
Greg mentioned by name being the one inside the window with line of sight to Crooks
>B: https://x.com/chrismartenson/status/1814114895065141491
Audio forensics showing multiple firearms were used and that the first 3 shots came from the location where Gregory Nicol was present
>C: https://files.catbox.moe/2qmase.mp4
Remember the interview Patsy’s school buddies? They were quickly exposed as having been set up by Butler County police to provide a cover story about identity of Crooks (incel loner who was bullied). This provides a false motive.
>D: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregory-nicol-612b80257/
Gregory Nicol of the Monaca police department. The main suspect.
The Congress Critters need to subpoena Greg Nichol before he commits suicide by shooting himself twice in the back of the head.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 25 2024 0:47 utc | 127
Here ist the water tower visible
https://x.com/AngelElitism/status/1814019173741191266/photo/2
The trees are not the problem. It’s the billboard that blocks the line of sight to Trump.
Posted by: mk | Jul 24 2024 20:53 utc | 60
I don’t see how you can make this claim from this evidence. To prove that we would need a line from Trump to the Water tower that is blocked by the jumbotron. From what I can see, it’s not clear that the shot is blocked in terms of the alignment on the ground, which would mean it wasn’t blocked at all, and it also appears that it is not blocked on the vertical axis as it looks like a sniper on the water tower would have LOS on Trump underneath the jumbotron.
Keep in mind that if Trump was actually looking at the jumbotron when the shot was fired, he couldn’t have been hit on the right ear from the rooftop or open window positions- he would have been hit on the left side of his head. However, if he’s facing the jumbotron, then a shot from the water tower could hit him in the right ear.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 25 2024 0:49 utc | 128
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 0:36 utc | 123
You are pretty much right. They often pretend to hate censorship and to love free speech, but then next day they are in favor of locking up pro-Paletine protesters. I see manipulation by media.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 0:51 utc | 129
I watch MSM sometimes to see what they are pushing.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 0:47 utc | 126
We rarely do, but I do admit to watching a lot of streaming content. They’ve been sneaking more and more sports onto those platforms including the Olympics. But all I’ve seen so far are ads. A LOT of them.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2024 0:55 utc | 130
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2024 0:27 utc | 114
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For sure, I can’t really speak to my own experience on Trump’s reputation to the Everyman on the street in the Rest of the World. The polling data is going to be confounded by many out of view factors, in general how a country’s population views the US in general. It’s just the only data I could quickly find.
Posted by: a stone | Jul 25 2024 0:59 utc | 131
“Most Trump supporters consider the “deep state” simply anything leftist. If you were to ask them, they dont consider the deep state to be zionist.”
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 0:36 utc | 123
They also tend to think the deep-state is “Marxist” and anti-capitalist and “communist”. They must be blind to billionaire donations. Or they just love their own billionaires. Blind.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 1:00 utc | 132
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 25 2024 0:30 utc | 116
Tell ne sir knight.
Who is this Kamila Harris to which you reference?
I know her not.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 25 2024 1:05 utc | 133
@ Melaleuca | Jul 24 2024 23:15 utc | 88
regarding the last part of your post – the short selling thing from the austin wealth group was shown to be an entrance error.. i didn’t listen to the video to see what they said about that, but there is not a leg to stand on with this theory of a humungous short sale.. it is bullshit.. however, i realize some folks are very attached to the conspiracy angle and i don’t want to take that away from anyone..
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 1:06 utc | 134
He represents every thing the world hates about america.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 24 2024 23:55 utc | 101
I think this expression is rather right.
Lets trying to explain.
“In the eyes of the citizens of Western countries, especially the centre-left newspaper readers, Trump is like an embodiment example of what they think of when they think of “the USA they hate.”.
An arrogant white man who does not show his tax sheets to citizens, has made a name for himself in unsophisticated businesses such as property speculation and reality shows, repeatedly insults international organisations for being pro-China and no money for pay them, and pressures allies to increase spending on the military industrial complex. He pays lip service to the US citizen especialy the right-wing and hawkish segments with big mouth that foreshadow new conflicts with Iran, China, Mexico, North Korea and others.
Yet, he did eventually turn out rather well with North Korea, but this did not, however, enhance his honour with newspaper readers.
Before that, did he need to unnecessarily keep insulting the other country’s leaders as rocket man?”
These were the images of Trump during his first term in office, and there is not a single reason why the centre-left segment would find him a likeable figure.
Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 25 2024 1:10 utc | 135
please don’t ask me to dig up the link i provided on this from 5 or so days ago..
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 1:11 utc | 136
BroncoBilly @ 113
Why tis the legend of….
‘Robin Head by keith Christms.’
Tis but a search away, would dos’t like a cigerett.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 25 2024 1:12 utc | 137
An arrogant white man who does not show his tax sheets to citizen
Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 25 2024 1:10 utc | 135
LoL. This is nothing more than a talking point. Nobody actually cares about this.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 1:13 utc | 138
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 1:06 utc | 134
I have never heard of an “accounting error” on that level in short selling, much less a reversal of the short.
How in the hell does a “third party” “accidentally” put through a short or buy at 1,000 times the actual order?
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 1:17 utc | 140
I think most posters now can see now that this focus on the details of the “assassination attempt” isn’t going to lead anywhere definitive. What is more important is the results. The ol’ “cui bono” thing.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 1:18 utc | 141
Elon Musk visited Capitol Hill on Wednesday as a personal guest of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 25 2024 1:28 utc | 143
“They’ve been sneaking more and more sports onto those platforms including the Olympics. But all I’ve seen so far are ads. A LOT of them.”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 25 2024 0:55 utc | 130
I also do streaming, and I have noticed they are pushing a lot of “heroic” war movies lately, especially about WWII (definitely not about Vietnam).
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 1:29 utc | 144
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 25 2024 1:28 utc | 143
I wouldn’t doubt it one bit, but can you provide a link for that assertion?
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 1:35 utc | 145
@ UWDude | Jul 25 2024 1:17 utc | 140
okay, lol.. you forced me to find the post.. moa search feature is broken… it breaks off with large gaps in the time… i made a post july 19th – 611 in a 807 post thread… here is the link from it.. you can believe what you want to believe, as i have said to everyone on this topic from day one.. no one is ever going to know for sure.. what i do know is many folks here do not read others posts!!!
Why”>https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/why-was-a-major-bet-placed-against/”>Why Was A Major Bet Placed Against Trump’s Truth Social–Not Long Before The Assassination Attempt?
the critical note is in the comment section and i am going to share it.. again – believe what you want to believe!!!
“Mary Mc
Jul 18
The company posted an explanation on the first page of their website…
“Statement on Incorrect Filing with the SEC
7/17/2024
The SEC filing which showed that Austin Private Wealth shorted a large number of shares of Trump Media & Technology Group Corp (DJT) was incorrect and we immediately amended it as soon as we learned of the error.
No client of APW holds, or has ever held, a put on DJT in the quantity initially reported. The correct holding amount was 12 contracts, or 1,200 shares — not 12 million shares, as was filed in error. In submitting the required report for the second quarter of 2024, a multiplier was applied by a third-party vendor that increased the number of the shares by a multiple of 10,000 for all options contracts (not just DJT). We did not catch the error before approving the filing.
We filed the report on July 12 to reflect our positions on June 28. We amended it on July 16. ”
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 1:36 utc | 146
This is the most enjoyable video on world affairs in general that I have seen in quite a while. Not the least because the interviewee is Pepe Escobar, who needs no introduction here, though his host gives one, friend about friend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj8GSYV5Pm0
Pepe has insights on all topical fronts. I hope everyone enjoys it as much as I did.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 25 2024 1:37 utc | 147
i screwed up the link.. here is the link direct.. the comment from the poster is the critical bit of info you either believe or dismiss..
https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/why-was-a-major-bet-placed-against
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 1:38 utc | 148
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 1:13 utc | 138
Yeah, maybe if Trump really put the tax forms before our eye, critical citizens wouldn’t look it themselves.
Those who don’t like him don’t really want to assess the documents themselves.
But they are offended by his refusal to show them what his predecessors have shown them.
Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 25 2024 1:38 utc | 149
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 1:36 utc | 146
I fear that you are spending time and mental energy following trails which will lead to nothing but a black hole.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 1:42 utc | 150
But they are offended by his refusal to show them what his predecessors have shown them.
Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 25 2024 1:38 utc | 149
Only since Nixon. Before nixon it was not a thing, and it certainly is not law… …and nobody actually cares. Its just one more thing to add to a list of things they “hate about Trump”.
Hillary made a big deal about it because she thought it would help in her opposition research and to get at him, as well as finding areas she could blackmail or threaten him.
Rachel Maddow got his tax returns. Total nothingburger.
Even you cant explain why it is so offensive, and you started your little diatribe with it.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 1:45 utc | 151
Pepe has insights on all topical fronts. I hope everyone enjoys it as much as I did.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 25 2024 1:37 utc | 147
I think Pepe’s “insights” are about as valuable as Chris Hedges’ “insights”.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 1:52 utc | 153
Ahh we have a cluster of knuckle dragging US banderite trump suppoters on the thread.
A good advertisment for the democrats if ever ther was one.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 24 2024 21:25 utc | 71
Same Mob, different clothes.
Posted by: Menz | Jul 25 2024 1:54 utc | 154
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 1:38 utc | 148
Its probably some kind of scam they all pull all the time to launder money or cook books, as there is no way you could “accidentally” put through an order for a whole bunch of shorts 10,000 time more than you attended.
They did not name the “third party vendor”, because that would necessitate an investigation, or “third party” would be able to sue them for slander and win.
Who is this “third party vendor” that can accidently inflate orders by magnitude of ten thousand… ..on multiple orders?
P.s. a successful assassination would have made all shorts very happy, regardless of stock.
Nevertheless, though this makes no sense, it looks like it could be a big wall street scam that has been going on and got noticed die to scrutiny of the event.
Only way I can make sense of it, without assuming they knew of the plot.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 1:56 utc | 155
Posted by: mk | Jul 24 2024 21:37 utc | 73
The “suspicious object on the top of the water tower” is….
An aircraft anti-collision light.
We are in agreement, but just wanted to point that out.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 25 2024 1:58 utc | 157
juliania | Jul 25 2024 1:37 utc | 147
I was hoping the link would not the same stuff as what is filling these open threads.
james and juliania – I look at it from two ways. 1) there is a possibility of mob warfare within the deep state. On the other side of the coin, absolute incompetence is now systemic within the US.
The politicians, presidents are nothing more than an indicator of where the power structure/deep state is. The defeat of Russia is now a lost cause and so we see the numbers in the deep state swinging toward the attack China group.
The ousting Biden with the so called debate was very much an indicator of that swing.
The Trump shooting could have been from the fanatical hate Russia faction remaining, or it could be just the incompetence that has swept across the US drowned the US in the last few decades and is now systemic.
As the hate Russia faction is now the minority, there may be some solid evidence turn up showing there involvement, but otherwise its just part of the collapse of empire and civilization that is occurring in the west.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 25 2024 1:59 utc | 158
@ Wisco | Jul 25 2024 1:42 utc | 150
thanks wisco..
@ UWDude | Jul 25 2024 1:56 utc | 155
like i said.. people are going to believe what they want to believe, regardless of any truth of the matter.. either it was an accounting error or it wasn’t… this is my last comment on it.. regards..
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 1:59 utc | 159
@ Peter AU1 | Jul 25 2024 1:59 utc | 158
thanks peter.. i like and agree with your speculation here –
“1) there is a possibility of mob warfare within the deep state. On the other side of the coin, absolute incompetence is now systemic within the US.”
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 2:01 utc | 160
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 1:35 utc | 145
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-attends-netanyahus-speech-congress-guest-rcna163506
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 25 2024 2:02 utc | 161
james | Jul 25 2024 1:06 utc | 134
short selling thing from the austin wealth group was shown to be an entrance error.
james. james, james. Sure, sure it’s an “accounting error”. …. Which was “corrected” only after DJT survived.
That’s why Crowdstrike took down the global internet, – to houseclean/ scrub.
There’s (now) “no evidence” of anything, because they’ve made sure to remove any/all evidence.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 25 2024 2:06 utc | 162
“people are going to believe what they want to believe, regardless of any truth of the matter..”
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 1:59 utc | 159
You nailed it.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 2:06 utc | 163
here is it on their website.. they are either lying or they’re not…you decide, lol..
https://austinprivatewealth.com/
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 2:08 utc | 164
@ Melaleuca | Jul 25 2024 2:06 utc | 162
actually it was corrected before the attempt.. again – believe what you want to believe.. cheers..
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 2:09 utc | 165
Who attempted to assassinate trump is pretty irrelevant. Nation is too polarized to get amy political traction from it one way or the other.
If you said “Iran did it”, then the Trump hating half of America would love Iran, and the Trump loving half would hate him.
Same with pinning it on Yearwick and Ukraine. The Trump haters would just say “stop, I got nowhere else to display my Ukrainian flags and Ukrainian flag emojis!”
Polarization is powerful for domestic control, but poison for manufacturing consent.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 2:11 utc | 166
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 25 2024 2:02 utc | 161
Thanks. I don’t think for a minute Musk is against “the deep state”. A mirage.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 2:13 utc | 167
actually it was corrected before the attempt.. again – believe what you want to believe.. cheers..
Posted by: james | Jul 25 2024 2:09 utc | 165
The “third party vendor” surely got the date right.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 2:13 utc | 168
Honzo | Jul 25 2024 0:49 utc | 128
if Trump was actually looking at the jumbotron
He wasn’t, he moved his head at the last millisecond to look at the teleprompter.
circumspect | Jul 25 2024 0:28 utc | 115
Thanks. Agree.
If you know you know… who all these people are, what they are connected to, and what they are capable of.
Reversing a several billion short sell because it went against them…. Is chicken feed to these people.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 25 2024 2:15 utc | 169
P.s. SEC went hard after little old lbry, the crypto that ran Odysee, and ended up destroying their little $3m market cap crypto.
Of all the cryptos, based on nothing, they went after the one sustaining a free speech, decentralized video sharing platform.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 2:17 utc | 170
@james.
Yep. They are lying.
The “evidence” to refute, is prooophf, gone. Next, everyone forgets and goes back to sleep.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 25 2024 2:17 utc | 171
All the argumentation about details and the focus on this or that assumes one thing: Trump is a hero and fully opposes the deep state, and he will save us. I don’t think he will.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 2:22 utc | 172
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 1:45 utc | 151
I dare say, jokingly, that for most ordinary people, what happened more than 20 years ago belongs to the ancient world.
so It is rather authoritative to be told that it has been going on since Nixon’s time.
And we are talking about image problem.
’He represents every thing the world hates about america.’
so the image that people from countries outside the US, although belonging to the Western alliance, receive when they hear news about US.
His Newspapers say, “This Trump guy didn’t show the tax forms that previous presidents have produced. How disrespectful he is.”
It’s already bad enough to get a bad impression if you read that.
Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 25 2024 2:25 utc | 173
If trump could part the red sea the izzys could bugger off back where they came from.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 25 2024 2:29 utc | 174
Just want to say that I really enjoyed watching UWDude destroy the Putin-hater Constantine today in what was a pretty epic series of posts.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 2:40 utc | 176
Just because I can’t stand Harris doesn’t mean that I’m for Trump. I realized a long time ago I was always voting against someone and never FOR someone.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 25 2024 2:45 utc | 177
There’s a good article on Black Agenda Report about the overheating clown cart that is USA’s uniparty.
neoliberal fake democracy
Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 25 2024 2:46 utc | 178
@ Honzo | Jul 25 2024 0:33 utc | 119
The video I posted yesterday, analysis by a gun guy, slowed down the video of the former president’s head movement, showing a turn to the right to look at the jumbo screen followed by a slight turn leftward which put his ear in line of fire. That’s why I mentioned Trump’s fortuitous head turn was reported by him to have a twist.
In Chris Martenson’s latest sound analysis the bullet signatures of shots 1, 2, 3 — 4,5…6…7, 8 – 9 —— & 10 are compared from audio from 5 different locations. He now thinks 9 is LEO kill shot and 10 is SS sniper shot.
https://peakprosperity.com/audio-analysis-raises-troubling-questions/
Posted by: suzan | Jul 25 2024 2:47 utc | 179
Suzan and Honzo, stop it. The details don’t matter. They are buried in piles and piles of disinfo. Look at “cui bono”.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 2:54 utc | 180
Another guy with another opinion:
UPDATE: After many days of analyzing audio, video and photographic evidence of the attempted assassination of President Trump, I cannot currently find any evidence whatsoever to support the notion that Crooks fired any shots at all. There is overwhelming evidence, however, in support of the idea that he was a patsy. The rifle was found 7+ feet away from his body. How did it get there if he was shot dead? Dead men don’t move rifles around. It’s clear the rifle was not in his hands when he was shot. No brass locations were apparently marked on the roof by the FBI or anyone else, and there are no brass casings present in the police body cam footage taken from the roof shortly after the shooting. Thus, we have zero evidence of any spent brass on the roof at all. The “crime scene” behavior and protocols by SS and LEOs is absolutely atrocious, as if they didn’t even consider it a real crime scene at all. The sniper named “Greg” in the second floor office of an adjacent building had a clear, open view of Crooks on the roof, yet did nothing to stop him, even after photographing him. The TMZ video showing Crooks at the very moment the first 3 rounds are fired shows NO RECOIL, no muzzle flash, and no brass ejecting from the right side of the rifle. How did Crooks fire a rifle with no recoil? The 1X optic or iron sights on the rifle also would have made it extremely difficult for Crooks to make a head shot with any sort of accuracy (without magnification). Furthermore, how did Crooks manufacture explosive devices that we are told were found in his car? Where would he have acquired such technical expertise to work with explosives without blowing himself up? Why was he allowed to fly a drone over the speaking location several hours before the event? Why was he allowed to use a rangefinger to range the podium location without being detained and questioned about his intentions? Why was he filmed walking around the grounds with no concern at all, almost as if he believed he was there with permission? (Training mission narrative.) How did he know this particular roof would not be covered by Secret Service? Who told him the roof was available to him? What seems to be emerging, in my view, is that Crooks believed he was on a training mission, working WITH law enforcement to determine vulnerabilities, and he was playing along as they told him things like, Here, take this rifle and climb onto that roof and tell us what you see. He did as he was told, put himself in position and then potentially somebody else took all 8 shots, after which Crooks was killed to wrap up the cover story. Although not yet provable – and perhaps never provable – this is emerging as a more likely explanation that fits the available data we have so far. It’s subject to change, of course, if new data points emerge, so I reserve the right to update or alter this analysis based on new data. Keep your thinking caps on. Keep crowdsourcing this investigation. The FBLie is now engaged in an active cover-up.
https://twitter.com/HealthRanger/status/1816273953079583127
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 25 2024 1:59 utc | 158
Thank you, Peter! I found the interview a nice change of pace. Admittedly Pepe is always at best fast moving and on the subjects that for me are the most hopeful. He’s interested in connections between countries and has been a belt and roader from the start. I was interested in his take on why Russia has been cautious about the Palestinian situation; I liked very much his emphasis that the Russia/China friendship puts the possibility of progress on that very agonizing front into a shared commitment over the longterm to what they do best — diplomacy.
It’s not going to be easy, but they are the ones that can accomplish this difficult task.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 25 2024 3:02 utc | 182
Found this on ZH.
Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle confirmed that Rep. Shiela Jackson was involved in the Oversight of the Secret Service
cui bono?
Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 25 2024 3:02 utc | 183
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 1:45 utc | 151
Rachel Maddow got his tax returns. Total nothingburger.
Even you cant explain why it is so offensive, and you started your little diatribe with it.
Am neither groupie nor hater viz Trump but viz the tax forms: some time during his first campaign a picture made the rounds showing his tax forms on a desk in front of him. They are about three feet high. This is because every operation he is involved with is separately incorporated and all are tied in with his personal form. The article mentioned that his tax forms were the longest/largest of any individual filer in the US.
Any hostile presstitute with access to all that stuff would have a field day making of it inuendo, misinfo etc. He was right not to submit them since only a very few are able to read such things properly. He exited all his businesses before assuming the office and then donated all his salary to charity. He is probably the only President in the last century to leave the office considerably poorer than when he entered it. He may have many faults but not all enunciated ad infinitum in the press are accurately or fairly depicted.
@ Scorpion | Jul 25 2024 3:02 utc | 181
Today as I went for my usual jog, at this time of year in heat and humidity, a sauna of a sort, I decided that the engineering student Crooks probably thought he was working with the good guys, getting into a special club, and so did exactly as he was told, precisely and punctually.
The rifle was thrown away from the body by the LEO and SS men who mounted the roof and were recorded on cam released today.
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@ Wisco
Who benefits? Still to be determined. This play is not over. Who wanted to benefit? Easier question to answer. Should the people remain silent and take what is dished out? Is that your argument?
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Re Trump and people liking him. They like the rhetoric. Which means little except it makes them feel better than listening to jerks who tell them all is well like the DNC arm of the establishment. Actually implementing policy to back the rhetoric is a completely different matter, understood by many, but it doesn’t really matter because, jerks. The system is so corrupt that only a Tsunami can clear the ground for reconstruction.
European ruling elites don’t like him because he’s not predictable, isn’t part of their elite club and he might do something to upset their grifts (if only to get his).
Posted by: Suzan | Jul 25 2024 3:27 utc | 185
Posted by: Suzan | Jul 25 2024 3:27 utc | 185
Shades of Parallax View.
Also, shades of Richard Reid.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 3:30 utc | 186
I think Mark2 should probably be banned. Just a shit-stirrer, look how so many fall for the bait. There are others here who do exactly the same thing but much more elegantly. I take it back, nobody should be banned. I like feee speech.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 3:36 utc | 187
The choices the US voters are given today are worse than they have ever have been and yet almost none of the voters consider voting for someone else besides the candidates that the TPTB offer them.
Posted by: jinn | Jul 24 2024 23:41 utc | 94
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You think the US electorate doesn’t love eating dog food? Look at the evidence.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 25 2024 3:58 utc | 188
Tom Q Collins @ 117:
Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation controls a lot of newspapers in Australia at national level (The Australian), state or city level (for example The Daily Telegraph in Sydney, not related to The Daily Telegraph in London which is published by a completely different business entity) and even local council or metropolitan level. News Corporation does not own or control any of the free-to-air TV channels. So-called “quality” newspapers like The Sydney Morning Herald or The Melbourne Age are owned by the Nine Entertainment company, the successor company to Publishing and Broadcasting Limited which was owned by the Packer family. Nine Entertainment also owns and runs the free-to-air TV station Channel Nine. Two of the other national free-to-air TV channels are public broadcasters (Australian Broadcasting Corporation or the ABC and Special Broadcasting Service or SBS).
So there is some competition but in ideology all these news media outlets are not very different from one another. The public broadcasters and the “quality” newspapers dislike Trump the most but on other issues, such as Israel’s genocide in the occupied Palestinian territories, they all stand together as one with the Murdoch media.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 25 2024 4:12 utc | 189
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 25 2024 2:45 utc | 177
I agree. I’ve noticed lately a lot of people saying online that unless you swear fealty to Trump, you must love Biden. Ridiculous.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 4:15 utc | 190
Scorpion@302
Thanks for sharing the disquieting info on Crooks and the circumstances surrounding all the oddities and mysteries.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 25 2024 4:37 utc | 191
The oddities and mysteries will last a long time with no closure. Better to just ask cui vono? Trump bono.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 25 2024 4:37 utc | 191
I saw that earlier you talked about the driftless region in MN-WI-IA. That area indeed is something very special. I remember being a kid on a bike on the west side of Madison in the early 70s and it was fun going into the hilly area just sw of the city. Madison is right on the edge of the driftless area.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 4:53 utc | 192
FBI boss Wray has stated in his testimony that the first eight shots were coming from Crooks and that he was taken out only by a single shot from the SS some 10 seconds later. So that’s the official story now.
I still have objections, however.
1 – There’s a tree blocking the line of sight between Crooks and the two sniper teams who were positioned on the roofs of the buildings near the stage. Just go google maps.
And that’s certainly no coincidence: Crooks checked out the situation before and chose a point where he could not have been seen by these snipers.
2 – The story implies that Crooks, after firing 8 shots, stayed at his position
for 10 seconds instead of retracting behind the roof where he could not have be seen: not credible!
3 – The story implies that the sniper fired at Crooks one singular shot. Why not firing a salvo to maximize the hit chances? Not credible!
Posted by: mk | Jul 25 2024 5:15 utc | 193
Suzan and Honzo, stop it. The details don’t matter. They are buried in piles and piles of disinfo. Look at “cui bono”.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 2:54 utc | 180
Who would have benefited from the assassination succeeding, or from the current situation? I’m guessing you mean the former,and while we can confidently say ‘not Trump,’ specifically who might be in a position both to organize the attempt and to benefit from it is not so clear. Had the attempt succeeded, one might assume that the Clinton/Obama/Biden Crime Syndicate would be the beneficiaries, but that assumes that they would benefit from the outbreak of an actual insurgency, which I think would be inevitable, given that they are also the most able to organize the attempt.
I think that the COB gang loses either way. Civil war or Trump. Trump is also an arriviste, but he’s not a neocon, and now he’s got Vance to ensure his good behavior. The question is, who does Vance really work for? I don’t think it’s the COB gang, and that means that the PTB chose him to make sure Trump does in fact ‘drain the swamp’ of COB elements, but not more generally. Trump ‘chose’ Vance because he got the message at Butler Farm- you really can be assassinated, any time. The COB gang will keep coming for him, and he needs the other faction of the Deep State to protect him.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 25 2024 5:52 utc | 194
meanwhile back at the genocide ranch
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/leaked-un-report-israeli-war-has
Leaked UN report: Israeli war has killed 366 UN staff and family members as Netanyahu prepares to address Congress
The confidential report is the first to detail the toll faced by the families of UN workers in Gaza
“Israel’s assault on Gaza had killed at least 172 dependents of United Nations staff by the end of June, according to a confidential UN report obtained by Drop Site, in addition to 195 staff members.
The previously unreported data reflects the extraordinary toll not just for employees of the United Nations but for their families, and emerges as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu prepares to address a joint session of Congress Wednesday….”
In May, the U.N. reported that 188 staff members of UNRWA had been killed by then, but has not previously disclosed the extent of the familial casualties.
Among staff, the killings are similarly concentrated among UNRWA employees. The report was circulated internally July 1, before the U.N.’s International Court of Justice announced its landmark finding that Israel’s occupation of Gaza and the West Bank is illegal and must be ended….”
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 25 2024 5:59 utc | 195
Can trump turn water into wine, an walk on water.
Posted by: Mark2
what is this thing’s persona supposed to be? drunk guy with a history of inhalant abuse? creepy combination of corny and demented like its brain is malfunctioning from drowning in its own self hatred
Posted by: fart | Jul 25 2024 6:01 utc | 196
All the argumentation about details and the focus on this or that assumes one thing: Trump is a hero and fully opposes the deep state, and he will save us. I don’t think he will.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 25 2024 2:22 utc | 172
I certainly don’t assume that, or even entertain the possibility of it. Nor do I think my opinion will affect the course of events. Nevertheless, the details are as important as the generalities, because in order to act, it’s necessary understand both. It’s necessary to understand not only the structure, but who does what in the structure, and what their crimes are. Unless you want the kind of blood bath eliminates half the population, you have to know who it’s important to purge and who is merely a patsy or useful idiot. I don’t expect any of that to happen anytime soon, but knowing, and remembering, the perpetrators of past crimes has help in my understanding of the current crimes, and I would be surprised if that’s not the case for you as well.
We are in a time of flux, where small things can have major consequences. Institutions are breaking down, and are not, for the moment, simply instruments that can be wielded at will by the ruling class- which is divided against itself because of a capitalist crisis they cannot control, and the change in the correlation of forces and means between the west and the ROTW, militarily, technologically and economically- and, in many ways, morally and culturally. The difference between a civil war starting this month and not starting for the indefinite future is non-trivial. I can’t tell you which is ‘better,’ but I suspect that more of us will be around to argue about it for longer if we don’t have a civil war in the US.
So, if we accept that there was really an attempt on Trump’s life, and that it nicked his ear instead of blowing his brains out, then everything that follows hinges on that contingency. For the want of a nail, a shoe was lost, etc.
The lack of unity in the ruling class opens the world to myriad possibilities, and a fortuitous turn of the head has enabled some and prevented others.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 25 2024 6:07 utc | 197
small part pf Netanyahu’s speech rewritten for accuracy:
“…Israel is behind all the terrorism, all the turmoil, all the chaos, and all the endless killing. And that should come as no surprise….’
I notice that none of the networks or news channels like MBC, CNN or MSNBC or Fox do any ‘fact checking’ on all of Bibi’s 568 lies.
Bibi is one of the greatest liars and war-mongers in modern history, and this one below is for the history books (if there is a human history at 50+ years from now):
“….not a single Palestinian civilian was killed in Rafah…”
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 25 2024 6:14 utc | 198
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 25 2024 6:14 utc | 198
I stopped imbibing anything Bibi years ago but watched a few minutes of today’s speech; the lying quotient is off the charts. And yet he is such an accomplished speaker, delivering with such persuasive conviction. As such, he is a teacher about just how well some people can lie. Joe Biden did it later in the day; lie after lie.
Kamala Harris was more to the left than Warren or Sanders in the Senate. She is for UBI, medicaid for all including illegal aliens, abortion up to 1 minute before birth etc. I wonder if she is going to present herself to the nation as such; would be interesting to learn if the country wants to go that way or not. Many of the positions make sense emotionally though am not sure how practical they would prove in the American cultural context. Don’t know China well but it seems to be more or less socialist these days and runs better than Western polities at scale. Because more is involved than just neat-sounding policies, the entire society has to be appropriately oriented. Most of continental Europe is close to socialist as well compared to the US and seemed to be running well until the Elites decided to run it off a cliff, which appears remarkably easy to do with the population hardly objecting at all. I find it quite baffling.
Have yet to read anything persuading me that strong state / centralized models are proof against endemic corruption, the universal bugaboo.
Here’s a short clip from CBS illustrating my point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plkL5U-ady8
There were allegedly two sniper teams on two different roofs.
The first sniper team, positioned on the roof closer to Crooks, is very well documented by video. However, their view on Crooks was blocked by a tree. There’s no doubt about that.
The second sniper team, allegedly positioned on the roof of the building behind, seems to have a clear line of sight towards Crooks, so they must have been the ones that killed him. However, this depends on their exact position on the roof, because the tree is still a problem depending on this position – if there were snipers on that roof at all! Because I have yet to see a video showing this second sniper team – if someone knows such a video, please come forward.
Posted by: mk | Jul 25 2024 6:59 utc | 200