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July 17, 2024
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Re: the Kennedys: Did someone post this earlier in this thread? Or did I find it in comments at Off-Guardian?
https://www.newsfromtheperimeter.com/home/2024/7/17/jfk-jr-and-the-jewish-curse-on-the-kennedys
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2024 3:23 utc | 801
It is true that urban mass transit was destroyed and inner cities became slums but that happened in the decades before the interstate was built. That is the reason the Interstate roads could just steam roll over already impoverished urban areas.
Posted by: jinn | Jul 20 2024 2:55 utc | 794
You’re having an argument with yourself now. Did your daddy design and build interstates in the 50s or something? Because it seems like you’ve had a disagreement with someone else about it before and are porting the talking points from those conversations to this one. For one thing, nobody mentioned the word “slums” except you. And in doing so, you’re completely off-base, because you’re applying a blanket derogatory term to inner city/city core areas that were doing just fine prior to the construction of many, many interstate highways through city centers. It’s offensive, frankly, to anyone who might have lived there and who fought for years to prevent their neighborhoods or boroughs from being steamrolled or artificially divided. There are just too many examples to name, but as noted, you’ve been provided with several already from Jane, myself and now psychohistorian.
To try claiming that the interstate system just steamrolled through “already impoverished” areas is ridiculous and requires completely ignoring the history of protests and local movements to prevent it. “Already impoverished” is not the same as “slums” either. Your words. You clearly have an axe to grind on this topic, but you haven’t come out and shown your cards yet. Why is this issue so personal to you that you have to fundamentally misrepresent or ignore easily provable history?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2024 3:32 utc | 802
Someone here recommended a few alternative search engines the other day. None of them were listed at Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines
Also it’s not listed here: https://swprs.org/advanced-online-media-use/
I was really looking forward to trying one of them, which I think either started with an “e” (not ecosia), “p” or “r” – but for the life of me I can’t remember or find the post.
Google is worthless now and Yandex is great but not for North American things like ‘americana’ or news.
Any suggestions appreciated.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2024 3:43 utc | 803
“That said, he’s [Tucker Carlson】 a phony and a psyop. A version of the stopped clock principle. Right twice a day, maybe a little more often. Follow and ‘like’ at your own peril.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 5:01 utc | 222
I am suspicious of him too, lately. His full-throated support of JD Vance is one reason. Also his constant needling against China. His promotion of UFO stuff awhile back was totally idiotic, and he laughs like a little girl.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 20 2024 3:47 utc | 804
“What makes it whole is the denigration of Marxism and Eastern Philosophy.”
Posted by: kspr | Jul 18 2024 5:22 utc | 233
I never denigrated either of those things in this thread. And if you can’t handle any questioning of your certitudes, you don’t belong in an open forum like this.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 20 2024 3:56 utc | 805
For those interested
China’s largest beer festival opens in Qingdao
https://english.news.cn/20240720/66f621148d0d49af82049b3b6349e446/c.html
the quote
The festival boasts over 2,200 beers, crafted both locally and from around the globe. Breweries from 11 countries will showcase 93 unique beer varieties, providing visitors with exciting tasting experiences, according to the organizer.
In addition, more than 2,000 activities — ranging from live music performances to art shows and sports events — are set to take place throughout the 24-day celebration.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2024 4:00 utc | 806
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 20 2024 3:47 utc | 804
Being a person with high empathy, I perhaps naively hold out hope that Tucker has, or will be, seen(ing) the light. I read some comments in his defense at the MPN link after posting and excerpting, and I can see why he has so many supporters. However, more than anything else I think it’s the dearth of dissenting viewpoints on Russia/Ukraine that make his dissenting takes on the subject so appealing. Never mind that, on that topic, he’s absolutely right. As is JD Vance. But yeah, it’s the stuff about China that bothers me. I was surprised that Carlson was willing to see the other side on Venezuela, though. See the Anya Parampil article I posted later on in this massive thread.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2024 4:01 utc | 807
@ psychohistorian | Jul 20 2024 3:04 utc | 795
thanks psycho – sounds much like the book i read which i was telling another 2 posters @ 784… thanks for the additional confirmation..
@ Peter AU1 | Jul 20 2024 3:14 utc | 798
we both like his style! he seems to speak truth to power – something few if any politicians seem capable of..
Posted by: james | Jul 20 2024 4:02 utc | 808
https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2024/07/17/mackinnon-donald-trump-truly-phenom-golf-course/
Empirical evidence of something…
“So whats trumps view on Hamas ?”
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 7:19 utc | 259
Trump is the zio wet dream. You and I aren’t that far apart. But when you do your your “Trump supporter” thing, it makes you look like a TDS person who supports Biden. And gives the Femocrats some kind of free pass. Biden has supported Israel with money and bombs all along.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 20 2024 4:23 utc | 810
Posted by: james | Jul 20 2024 2:13 utc | 787
ClusterfuckNation and Kuenstler has become just another Trump promoter. I no longer find that blog worthwhile.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 20 2024 4:39 utc | 811
@ Wisco | Jul 20 2024 4:39 utc | 811
that’s fine..find what you think that seems to resonate with your sense of truth.. share it, if you feel inclined.. cheers..
Posted by: james | Jul 20 2024 4:43 utc | 812
…and he laughs like a little girl.
@ Wisco | Jul 20 2024 3:47 utc | 804
But that’s one of the only things I like about TC. Almost makes him seem human.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 20 2024 4:52 utc | 813
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 20 2024 3:17 utc | 799
You denigrate the thread because you have nothing of value to contribute. Because, from what I seen, the only thing you ever contribute is book-learned ideolgical Marxism. That isn’t what the big threads are about.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 20 2024 4:58 utc | 814
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 20 2024 4:52 utc | 813
LOL you guys clearly keep skipping over Anya Parampil’s own take on Tucker … and his laugh.
Again: https://thegrayzone.com/2024/07/16/corporate-coup-assassination-venezuelas-maduro-boltons-plot/
With the (this time) relevant excerpt:
While many in the media project strident public personas to shield their vanity and lack of real-world charm, the larger-than-life personality Tucker displayed on air was his genuine character. The concerned gaze, over-the-top laugh, and mischievous twinkle in his eye were not an act for the camera. And though he could provide an endless stream of fascinating life stories himself (such as the time he accompanied civil rights icon Al Sharpton and left-wing academic Cornel West to civil war–torn Liberia20), he was just as inquisitive in person as with guests on his show. When I met Tucker in Finland, I found that despite our seemingly polarized political allegiances, we agreed on quite a lot. Unlike the jumped-up lapdogs overrunning Helsinki, Tucker was comfortable enough in his rank to view Washington’s elite with scorn—a consequential self-security he demonstrated during Trump’s tenure.
Throughout Trump’s presidency, Tucker solidified his place among the most influential media personalities in US history, with his primetime Fox program, Tucker Carlson Tonight, eventually earning the title of most-watched cable news show of all time.21 Tucker set himself apart from other corporate news hosts, including those at Fox, as the most articulate—and humorous—voice of Trump’s freshly awakened America First base. Each weeknight, Tucker spoke for millions of Americans who had borne the brunt of neoliberal policies such as NAFTA, deindustrialization, and the military’s misadventures in the Middle East. Personally burned by his own support for the Iraq War years prior, by 2019 Tucker had matured into a fervent anti-interventionist who regularly opened his show with lengthy monologues that systematically debunked his media colleagues’ narrative du jour.
Anya knows her shit on the historic evils of RW American politics toward Latin America. If she’s willing to give Tucker that degree of a benefit of the doubt, might be worth considering.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2024 5:07 utc | 815
You denigrate the thread because you have nothing of value to contribute.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 20 2024 4:58 utc | 814
Funny you call that out. Snobbery is a better way to put it.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2024 5:09 utc | 816
TDS seems to be something like bacteria pathogens. The can be gram negative or gram positive.
And similar, TDS can be Trump negative or Trump positive.
Oldhippie and Wisco have turned out to be surprise packages with the minor bit of excitement at the recent Trump rally.
A couple of casualties of this mind bending psychological war we in the west are subject to.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 20 2024 5:15 utc | 817
This thread reminds me of a fascist party,
After an antifa flash mob paid a vist, aah those were the days.
We got vareous piles of gruff vomit strwen about. A small gay cluster fuck.
An a couple of ole octagenarians on prosac
ring’n their hands an trying to make it all seem dignified. Plus tom rabbitin away to himself what every one’s ignorin.
Mad hatters tea party ?
Mental ward?
Metiphor for the US ? You pick.
b i’m sad for you. You desered better.
And shame on you lot.
Bar a few exceptions, the sane have left the room. (For noa)
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 20 2024 5:32 utc | 818
Posted by: james | Jul 20 2024 4:43 utc | 812
Clusterfuck Nation and JHK has helped me a lot over the years, no doubt about it. Just saying lately he seems a bit too Trumptard. Better than Biden though. We got the two choices.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 20 2024 5:39 utc | 819
@ Wisco | Jul 20 2024 5:39 utc | 819
i have no choice on this matter as i am a canuck!! but i am sure the fallout on canada will happen regardless if all the pre election blather is any indication! cheers james
Posted by: james | Jul 20 2024 5:50 utc | 820
Lost some respect for Gruff reading the posts here lately. I see a lot of the Trump-worship around in real life now, and Gruff has been trying to leverage the emotion here. Seems like a true believer in an orange guru and a savior, very gullible. A victim of the other TDS – Trump Deity Syndrome.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 20 2024 6:04 utc | 821
Never give fascists free speech as soon as they get it they destroy free speech.
Examples ……
Main stream media.
The internet.
UK Labour party.
MOA.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 20 2024 6:35 utc | 822
“i have no choice on this matter as i am a canuck!! but i am sure the fallout on canada will happen regardless if all the pre election blather is any indication! cheers james”
Posted by: james | Jul 20 2024 5:50 utc | 820
Your post made me think about how insane this has to look to all of the USA puppet states like Canada, Australia, all of the EU, New Zealand, anyone else dependent on dollar reserve currency, I guess. A senile fool in dirty diapers vs a narcissistic 78 year-old fool who can only win a debate vs the dirty-diaper guy?
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 20 2024 6:37 utc | 823
Detroit was no different than any other US city.
Posted by: jinn | Jul 20 2024 2:38 utc | 791
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One can compare the rise of Detroit and the rise of Austin TX as an illustrative example.
During the automobile boom, while mass transit was being shut down, Detroit had the highest per capita income of any large metropolitan area in the USA. Just as Austin does now.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 20 2024 6:57 utc | 824
Let us consider Russia and China together as a single entity. The Ukrainian war then has its own logic: Every day Russia keeps grinding down US resources in Ukraine, is a day more for China to prepare itself for conflict. Also, if one considers Russia and China as a single entity, the percentage of GDP spent on the military is around 2%.
Assume the Biden administration is going to try to provoke Russia as much as it can during the months left before the elections. Do not take into account Europeans and Kiev, they have no agency. Assume Trump wins the elections, and is able to change US policy without meaningful opposition of the US deep state.
The [Trump proposals](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/13/opinion/jd-vance-interview.html) are
– freeze the territorial lines somewhere close to where they are right now
– guarantee both Kyiv’s independence but also its neutrality
– long-term US security assistance to Ukraine
– make it as hard and costly as possible for China to take Taiwan
In a nutshell, the policy is freezing the conflict on Russia/China’s western border (Ukraine), and ramping up the conflict on the eastern border (Taiwan).
The grinding down of the Ukrainian and Western forces is stopped, but the US gets to keep it’s color revolution in Ukraine. In return the US swaps the words “NATO membership” with “long-term US security assistance”. Same difference.
If you accept Russia and China as a single entity, are the Trump proposals attractive? Not at all. It’s zero-sum.
Are the Russians going to negotiate with the US? Certainly. Russia almost always negotiates with the enemy; but while Western countries fight or negotiate, Russia fights and negotiates at the same time. If you are thinking of negotiations as a way to pause the war and build up the Ukrainian army, it’s not going to work.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 20 2024 7:14 utc | 825
Passerby | Jul 20 2024 7:14 utc | 825
Not bad but you need to study the power structure (deep State) in the US a bit more. Saying it like that is a bit blunt, so please don’t take offense as it is not meant that way.
The President of the US has not much more agency than the bobbling heads of Europe or the comedian of Kiev.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 20 2024 7:26 utc | 826
Long thread – my apologies for not reading through all of it ….
I confess that I managed, somehow,to stay awake through Trump’s soporific, egoistic, waffling etc sure enough Bibi today set the stage for annexation of West Bank and East Jerusalem which bought and paid for DJT will applaud when the time comes, assuming he becomes POTUS. Poor Joe is clearly not well – has not been for some time – expect a surprise at the Democratic [which, of course is not democratic in any real sense] Convention.
To recover I popped over to karlof1’s subtrack and Maria’s erudite press conference – what a woman – incomparable to the 10second sound bites from the WH equivalent – albeit use of the term ‘equivalent’ here has no real empirical equivalence whatsoever … you know, the US should be up before the ICJ for crimes against the English language … the torrent of meaninglessness is simply overpowering which may be even intentional …
So, The Palestinians are going to get hammered one way or the other –
So,The Ukrainians will continue to be sacrificed on NATO’s blood red altar ..
So, The Europeans [excluding Russian Europeans] are going to get poorer
So, The South Americans will continue to be messed up by Uncle Sam
So, Look East and South – and see some light and hope ….
And, unless you are really into a decent revolution, make the best of every day.
p.s. I’m still waiting on a response from Maria to my invitation to dinner – only two years or so waiting – I can wait a little longer – and hope.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 20 2024 7:30 utc | 827
Trump is not going to stop the war in Ukraine. Boris Johnson said today that he is happy with Trump.
Trump is just another servent of deep state.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 20 2024 7:33 utc | 828
@vargas | Jul 20 2024 7:33 utc | 828
Morning vargas! Nothing beats an optimistic sTroll in the morning.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 20 2024 7:42 utc | 829
p.s. I’m still waiting on a response from Maria to my invitation to dinner – only two years or so waiting – I can wait a little longer – and hope.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 20 2024 7:30 utc | 827
Yeah. She is all woman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk7l1maHXIU
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 20 2024 7:49 utc | 830
Some classic Putin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhZOi2y75SM
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 20 2024 8:06 utc | 831
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2024 5:07 utc | 815
Thanks for a good read.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 20 2024 8:40 utc | 832
Sorry folks not going to read through all the petty Red-Blue slap happiness that is the Last American Selection Picture Show – soon be over… err 4 more months!
And then 2 more before whatever Democrat e potus refuses to leave the WH demanding an insurrection? It’s their turn!
I’ll wait and see – heard RFK had meet with Drumpff? What was that about? Is he going to get State? That would be a hoot.
Anyway to more serious matters.
@Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2024 4:00 utc | 806
Wow – that’s some beer fest!
I’m organising mine for August , got quite a few local micro breweries and local musicians. Proper ales and ciders as well as the now ubiquitous pale ales made with American Hops – I find them a bit floral on the tongue so can’t abide them unles it’s an emergency and no real ales are available. Bottles are always on standby for such occasions.
The craft brewers are being adventurous with their brewing – it’s better than the canned over advertised over marketed crap that’s been going mainstream over the last decade.
But hey I got to check out that Chinese in my lifetime – put it on my bucket list – probably the last item, doubt I’d make two days never mind a month of it. 🥴
@ Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 20 2024 7:30 utc | 827
Oi! She’s a married woman !
@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 20 2024 7:49 utc | 830
Phwoar!!!
That there is some serious high heel moves!
The stern put downs from the master communicator are the best gallows humour ever.
Her, Lavrov and Medvedev. Peskov, Putin… are the geniuses who have every one rolling around regardless of the seriousness of the situation.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 20 2024 9:37 utc | 833
ZH has a posting up with the title
Distraction? Blinken Says Iran Just 1-2 Weeks Away From Producing Material For A Nuclear Weapon
the quote
A well-timed distraction? Or is it real this time? The White House says Iran is on the verge of being nuclear weapons capable.
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken announced Friday that the Islamic Republic will have enough enriched uranium for producing fissile material to achieve a nuclear weapon within just “one or two weeks.”
“Iran, because the nuclear agreement was thrown out, instead of being at least a year away from having the breakout capacity of producing fissile material for a nuclear weapon, is now probably one or two weeks away from doing that,” Blinken said at a forum in Colorado.
It is Blinken after all. What do you expect in late game but more fear projection.
The shit show continues until it doesn’t and maybe we are two weeks away if you ask Blinken
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2024 11:26 utc | 834
Do I forget anyone?
Posted by: Naive | Jul 17 2024 22:33 utc | 117
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Cuban exiles.
Posted by: Gene Poole | Jul 20 2024 11:30 utc | 835
Trump is not going to stop the war in Ukraine. Boris Johnson said today that he is happy with Trump.
Trump is just another servent of deep state.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 20 2024 7:33 utc | 828
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Of course Trump will say he will not stop the war – because he knows that Russia will! Maybe the Donald is happy to let the stupid sassenach think and say what he likes.
Trump is one of the significant players in the reality of the western world.
But everything is changing.
Posted by: Ново З | Jul 20 2024 11:51 utc | 836
Peter AU1 @ 817
I can’t tell if that was a compliment or a dig. And responding to it belongs on this old thread. Hoping next thread is more interesting.
Whatever happened who benefited (cui bono?) was Trump. Either he was the beneficiary of Divine Providence or a rather elaborate production was staged. Politics and Divine Providence don’t mix. I just don’t believe Trump has either the chops or the team or the interagency reach to pull off what we saw happen. My guess, and we all are only guessing, is TPTB have made their decision and Trump was just anointed. He may not even have been told what would happen. He was damn effective mugging for the camera. The camera that should not have had him in sights.
It all looks like vaudeville. Trump is good at vaudeville. I wish we still had a vaudeville stage so Trump could go there and leave us alone.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 20 2024 13:11 utc | 837
Posted by: james | Jul 19 2024 20:43 utc | 735
—————
Dont forget the evil twin, MI6 and the sidekick ASIO.
FUKUSA aka AUKUS , their duplicity are the legend.
Lies most vile.
CHINESE INVASION OF INDIA
Tibet Genocide
Xinjiang Genocide
HK GENOCIDE
TAM MASSACRE
CHINA VIRUS
POISON AMERICANS WITH FENTANYL
CHINESE HACKERSA
For [five liars], there aint no worst lie, cuz they keep getting better.
Posted by: denk | Jul 20 2024 13:40 utc | 838
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 20 2024 13:11 utc | 837
It all looks like vaudeville. Trump is good at vaudeville. I wish we still had a vaudeville stage so Trump could go there and leave us alone.
It does indeed. I note that two of the keynote speakers were Hulk Hogan and Dana White – modern vaudevillians now devolved into cartoon wrestling vignettes with hero-villain and slapstick comedy still retained.
As per your comment: there is no way of knowing what went down. Trump haters have settled on kayfabe and Trump lovers on Divine intervention, both narratives equally compelling and probably now set. Divisive division continues.
Trump speaks in code to Middle America, not racist dog whistles but milking ‘the forgotten man’ trope which actually has pith to it: modern civilization has dehumanized mainstream American culture whilst leading it to where most ordinary folk can neither understand nor embrace. So his call is powerful and authentic; translating that into actual reform, though, remains an open question, especially after the disheartening progression, under both teams, from 2016 to 2024 .
Whether Saturday was real or performative the narrative for most Americans is the same: Trump is now a transformative figure. Will this political capital actually return things to a more even republican checks-and-balances keel as Trumpites want, or usher in a digital, conformist utopian dystopia? Vance is a Silicon Valley pick but also a nationalist versus globalist. Dugin sees Trump as a multipolarist ally.
Though much is performative Reality TV Republic production, not all is performative. Trump is an actor but not only, as with each of us. The truth is in the middle somewhere: part theatre, part real. We are left scratching our heads.
Posted by: Arkady Bogdanov | Jul 18 2024 3:40 utc | 200
Totally meaningless post, word salad. In a word, drivel.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 3:52 utc | 203
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I think you should read it again… even if it touched a nerve.
Posted by: Gene Poole | Jul 20 2024 14:19 utc | 840
Key witness Greg Smith exclusively told the Gateway Pundit:
“I saw him [the sniper] right before he shots happened, and I didn’t see him turn around and confront anyone. I never saw that and it didn’t happen. We asked all the people around us and in our group and we didn’t see that. I heard the story about the officer falling and hurting his foot, no one saw that. I’ve heard the stories, but I have no idea what they’re talking about.”
Explosively, he also relates that the snipers in the 2nd floor section of the AGR building were watching the rooftop shooter as the shots rang out – and did nothing!
“I was looking all around to get law enforcement’s attention before the shots, and I could tell it was coming, because as I was standing there for several minutes I kept thinking ‘why is Trump still talking?’ You expect someone to be on the radio or whatever the protocol is, to get Trump off the stage. I knew this isn’t good. I expected the shots to start, and then they did. It was mass chaos. I was looking at the guys on the second story, my eyes were jumping three or four different places, I could see that they saw him and were looking at him and watching what he was doing, but they didn’t do anything.“
Butler County Sheriffs Deputies have said that their body cameras were turned off and there is no footage available from the incident.
Federal authorities have blamed Butler County for failing to secure the AGR Building, claiming it is outside of their “security perimeter.” Butler County has responded by saying they were only asked to take care of traffic control.
Local witnesses say that there was zero police presence on the ground the entire day around the AGR Building north of the Butler Farm Field where the Trump rally was held, and they saw no law enforcement whatsoever.
Key assassin witness Greg Smith tells the Gateway Pundit: “We didn’t see a single law enforcement officer the entire time until they were running around the building looking for the guy. We didn’t see a single bit of law enforcement.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/assassin-eye-witness-police-are-lying-about-rooftop/
Meanwhile this story, if it can ever get verified and probably never will (because ‘FBI investigation’) would tend to suggest that this was a Deep State hit, pure and simple, with Patsy on the Roof and a possible rumoured additional shooter on the Water Tower much further away. That makes the last-second movement of Trump’s head the real deal, and the notion of Divine intervention compelling for all so inclined to interpret things that way. It explains most of the things that don’t add up or strange coincidences. In short: a setup, pure and simple, foiled by Trump’s turning to point out Crooked Joe’s corrupt open border policy.
If enough Americans gradually absorb this narrative, then probably there will be a bona fide epic landslide victory in November with a clear mandate for substantive reform.
And if Trump really did dodge a bullet which otherwise would have ended his life, it is reasonable to assume that from now on he will be much more than the crass cartoon buffoon his critics incessantly depict, conveniently discounting that this is a man who ran for President and won twice and is going for a third and just got almost assassinated for so doing.
Not to mention: Orban likes him and Putin has already indicated he is open to negotiating an end to the SMO as per Orban’s recent shuttle diplomacy. If he is elected, chances are that’s what ensues.
It’s an Open Thread. I reserve my right to criticize you. I’ve never seen anyone else put you to task.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 4:22 utc | 209
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Your criticisms of psychohistorian don’t hold water. His response to them is that of a gentleman. I would suggest you take the advice he offered.
Posted by: Gene Poole | Jul 20 2024 14:35 utc | 842
The resurrection of Donald Jesus, we are in for a ride.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Jul 20 2024 15:21 utc | 843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp4KvbRlD0Q&t=428s
Apparently Pompeo was already at the Convention muster telling some people he would be VP. He was never on DJT’s list. Never heard any of this sort of thing before.
Robert Barnes has come down hard on inside hit narrative. Am inclined to agree at this point rather than remaining in limbo with so many mutually contradictory possibles.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 19 2024 22:46 utc | 754
Thank you, Tom. That’s a very helpful narrative.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 20 2024 15:56 utc | 845
Scorpion | Jul 20 2024 14:11 utc | 839
***The truth is in the middle somewhere: part theatre, part real. We are left scratching our heads.***
But only about the lesser activities and symptoms.
As per in the UK, there is no doubt at all concerning the main agenda / true loyalty.
The so-called “leaders” are 100% Zionist owned.
CFI, LFI, AIPAC, HJS, NATO, WEF etc. … plus foreign “leader” training initiatives by the allegedly US-empire … lots of inter-related groups which select, sponsor and inflict the array of spivs, traitors and “neoliberal” economic cultists to operate under various ‘Party’ flags of convenience.
Basically — once the rhetoric, semantics and media-projected superficialities of fake differentiation are stripped away — all the utterly rotten false flag shit-filled same.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 20 2024 16:16 utc | 846
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2024 5:58 utc | 616
Hello Ahenobarbus. I don’t think anyone else here would be interested in my details – apologies to them. My handle was chosen while I was mostly reading the MoA Ukraine thread, so a revolutionary born in the Russian Empire / Ukrainian SSR territory seemed fitting as an anonymous handle. I think Trotsky was a giant of the 20th century who made an enormous contribution to the world with his writing and expression of Marxist thought. Had he not been politically outmanoeuvred, exiled and assassinated who knows how the world would be today. You sound annoyed that I use the handle but don’t post in a strictly Trotskyist vein. Well firstly I’m not knowledgeable enough to do that and secondly I’m not under any obligation to do that, any more than I’d be obliged to post everything as profound and beautiful poetry had I chosen the handle Robert Zimmerman. I reserve the right to post anyway I choose, sometimes as satire and to ask questions even if others avoid answering the questions by labelling them dumb. If Bernhard was fit enough to post I’m certain that he would have posted an article asking questions about what went on at Bethel Park PA. I find it exhausting enough trying to follow this madness and I’m not doing cardiac rehab. Get well soon B. We miss your brilliant work.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jul 20 2024 16:19 utc | 847
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2024 19:01 utc | 722
Try to remain open minded William, on issues where we haven’t yet got all the facts.
You claim not to indulge in hyperbole…
“in front of 50,000 spectators”
I know that you’re keen to avoid the facts here, but there were around 500 spectators / Trump fans in Bethel Park PA. Most with smart phones videoing, yet no evidence from them either way.
All you have to do is provide evidence and it will be accepted as an answer to the many unanswered questions since last Saturday. I understand, you don’t want any of us to establish the material reality of what happened in Bethel Park PA, we are meant to simply accept the corporate media narrative.
It’s not just asking questions and establishing material reality that you’ve cancelled, you dismiss racism and misogyny and homophobia as if they have never existed. Tell that that to the Palestinian women living under a fascist apartheid state, or women and girls who are attacked by predators while making their way home. Tell it to the millions of slaves shipped in chains to the USA and other colonies whose offspring would later live as second class citizens in an apartheid segregationist society. And what business is it of yours or the state what are the sexual orientation of Sergei Eisenstein or Vaslav Nijinsky or Sergei Diaghilev or Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky or Marlene Dietrich or Alan Turing or Andy Warhol or Allen Ginsberg? Whatever consensual acts anyone indulges in is none of your business or business of the state and people ought to be able to live free of bigotry, hate and violence.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jul 20 2024 16:31 utc | 848
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jul 20 2024 16:31 utc | 848
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2024 19:01 utc | 722
Try to remain open minded William, on issues where we haven’t yet got all the facts.
You claim not to indulge in hyperbole…
“in front of 50,000 spectators”
I know that you’re keen to avoid the facts here, but there were around 500 spectators / Trump fans in Bethel Park PA. Most with smart phones videoing, yet no evidence from them either way.
How many do you estimate in this crowd? Certainly much more than 500. I think oldhippie confused crowd size with the group in the stands immediately behind the speaker which is usually only 2-300.
https://assets-varnish.triblive.com/2024/07/7531341_web1_ptr-TrumpRallyA-071424.jpg (pic taken shortly before the speech)
from: https://triblive.com/local/regional/thousands-gather-for-trump-rally-in-butler-county/
I don’t follow the numbers etc. but I doubt Trump has spoken to a crowd of 500 or less in years except behind closed doors addressing hoi poloi types.
Fact is, most of what is written about Trump is lies which is why anyone could seriously believe only 500 showed up to a rally in a county he won by over 60%, an absurdly lowball ‘fake news’ number.
Oops, forgot: fun EI meme take via Elon:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1814676935588344300
Scorpion
On the dead thread.
I think 200 is likely on the high side for behind podium, maybe. The crowd in front is only barely bigger. Yes, Trump could draw a bigger audience anywhere on minutes notice. A small enough crowd every one of them to be a paid extra.
Note also how completely Hollywood the SS in frame with Trump are. The last minute change in SS staffing and use of DHS with no personal protection experience at all. These are actually familiar tactics when staging these events.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 20 2024 18:45 utc | 851
ah! dead thread!
I’m almost dead after moving yesterday during a major fiesta period with nearly all streets closed down and the traffic cops making everything 10 times worse AND have rotten allergies this time of year in the zone I chose to move into. So I can barely walk, but am enjoying everyone else around me working hard. Roof being repaired – torrential downpour last night making it hard to choose first bed location, two women in the kitchen putting it together, four workers cleaning up construction mess and me the old fart up above napping to youtube inanities.
I like your descriptions of kayfabe. It’s usually my default assumption. But I think all the setups you are describing (did you catch that the photographer who made the bullet pic was also around 9/11 or some such) can be explained by a real hit which went wrong too.
Real hits do happen, right? Or do you think Miles M is right and both JFK and RFK weren’t really shot? Of course the niggle is that you really can’t prove that anything isn’t staged. That’s the nature of long distance modern communications, aka Reality TV Landia.
Anyway… I officially abandon this thread!!
814 Wisco and 816 Tom_Q_Collins regarding 799. Patroklos comment wasn’t a denigration and it wasn’t snobbery. Find something more substantial to puff about.
I was really looking forward to trying one of them, which I think either started with an “e” (not ecosia), “p” or “r” – but for the life of me I can’t remember or find the post.
Google is worthless now and Yandex is great but not for North American things like ‘americana’ or news.
Any suggestions appreciated.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2024 3:43 utc | 803
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I think there is something new AI-driven search engine (or browser? don’t quote me—functional Luddite) called Perplexity.
Posted by: Jane | Jul 20 2024 20:50 utc | 854
And if you can’t handle any questioning of your certitudes, you don’t belong in an open forum like this.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 20 2024 3:56 utc | 805
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Honestly, Wisco, this type of comment is in the class of things what don’t belong on this forum.
It is quite inappropriate for you to make pronunciamentos as to who “belongs in a forum such as this.”
Remember:
This is not your blog.
Posted by: Jane | Jul 20 2024 20:56 utc | 855
…when you can take down the insurance industry with a virus that shoots only 8 million computers, some oligarchs’ days are numbered!
Posted by: Minaa | Jul 21 2024 4:43 utc | 856
“I understand that the USA started mining REE’s in Nevada but they have to ship them to China to get them refined then ship them home. I guess that’s a start but you can see how the money lost selling the finished product for EV can be made up in refining and shipping fees.”
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 19 2024 17:12 utc | 709
You don’t understand how REE’s are refined.
China uses chlorinization (chlorine) to refine the REE’s; it is cheap and has great returns (90% plus recovery) on the ore-the bad news-it is extreme pollutant to creeks, rivers, lake and water tables such that it is banned in all Western countries.
But the West won’t or can’t tariff Chinese REE’ production as it would be too expensive for them to refine the rare earths without using chlorinization.
“Best explanation on why Trump didn’t fake his ear injury: Because he would have had to fake it while real bullets are flying around him, killing people beside him and trust the DS not to kill him in the process. I can’t see a plausible counterargument.”
Posted by: Turk 152 | Jul 19 2024 18:22 utc | 718
Agreed.
Only those with severe TDS cling to their Hail Mary idea that Trump stage managed to get his ear shot off.
“loose canuck claims CIA only turned rogue after Cheney,..”
Posted by: denk | Jul 19 2024 20:01 utc | 731
I assume you meant to call me a ,’loser’, but didn’t have the mental acuity to form get that done ergo your weak attempt is about my ‘sexual mores”?
Hmmmmnnnn….
I stand behind the idea Cheney turned the CIA MORE roguish when he threw out all the CIA agents whom could speak the native languages of the countries the US was harassing hence dulling their intelligence capabilities and making the agency more provocative.
“As Greg Poulgrain’s 2020 book “JFK vs. Allen Dulles: Battleground Indonesia” makes clear, JFK opposed the plotting of the CIA and the Brits against Sukarno.”
Posted by: Lysias | Jul 19 2024 21:16 utc | 740
Thank you for the reality check; denk is wrong ……..one…..more…..time.
“HOWEVER, the advent of the interstate system did help in enabling the rise of suburban and exurban communities, which led to (or benefited from) “white flight” and the increased use of automobiles to get to and from work and shopping in the city centers.”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2024 0:05 utc | 766
Agreed-that the most fundamental reason suburbia came into being which led, of course, to inner city poverty.
“Well firstly I’m not knowledgeable enough [to write intelligently] to do that…”
Posted by: Lev Dumbovich | Jul 20 2024 16:31 utc | 848
Agree 100%!!
It’s an Open Thread. I reserve my right to criticize you. I’ve never seen anyone else put you to task.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 4:22 utc | 209
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“Your criticisms of psychohistorian don’t hold water. His response to them is that of a gentleman. I would suggest you take the advice he offered.”
Posted by: Gene Poole | Jul 20 2024 14:35 utc | 842
Since this open thread is now “dead”, I would like to respond to this.
First, I admit I made a mistake when I said “criticize you”, I should have said “…criticize your posts” instead.
Second, a few months ago I criticized psychohistorian’s post for too often containing accusatory language of “patriarchy”. I noticed thereafter that that particular accusatory language was mostly abandoned, much for the better imo.
Third, I mostly like psychohistorian’s posts, but I got annoyed about what I perceived as an utterly useless obsession repeated on many posts – whether or not the dead patsy was Jewish.
Fourth, I probably should read more and post less. Psychohistorian is arguably correct about that. I think the same goes for a lot of people posting here. But if we all did that it wouldn’t be the same lively discussion board.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 22 2024 0:45 utc | 864
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 20 2024 13:11 utc | 837
That’s how I see it, well said. By no means am I a “Trump hater” no matter how it is spun. Scorpion is simply wrong to say “Trump-haters have settled on kayfabe”. No they haven’t. Real Trump haters hate “conspiracy theorists” most of all.
Anyway, the new “Squirrel!” theatre is now all about Kamala.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 22 2024 1:06 utc | 865
…and he laughs like a little girl.
@ Wisco | Jul 20 2024 3:47 utc | 804
But that’s one of the only things I like about TC. Almost makes him seem human.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 20 2024 4:52 utc | 813
True. It does make him seem almost human. He says some very obvious truths. Then blows it.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 22 2024 1:44 utc | 866
Posted by: canuck | Jul 21 2024 11:43 utc | 858
You focus your attacks only on the “chlorinization” but ignore the other giant elephant in the room, the high radioactivity of the most high-grade sources of REE. Thorium, mainly.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 22 2024 1:53 utc | 867
The real inside story of why Biden dropped out of the race:
https://babylonbee.com/news/jill-biden-drops-out-of-presidential-race
Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 22 2024 2:13 utc | 868
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-wakes-up-from-nap-asks-if-he-missed-anything
Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 22 2024 2:13 utc | 869
Who or what is behind the Trump shooting – we’ve discussed this extensively on MoA. RT RT DE has polled the issue among its readers, and found for the most popular MoA theories:
4.4% believe in the Fase Flag theory (all is staged by the Trump team)
8.8% believe in the lone wolf theory
78.7% see the Deep State as the driving force, wanting to keep Trump out of the White House
Posted by: grunzt | Jul 22 2024 17:47 utc | 870