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I watched the Dan Bongino Show on Rumble yesterday. The show had Tucker Carlson and Trump Junior as guests. Then I saw an article title on RT – “Trump (and Vance) will win the election but US will not”. Just perfect. I am now totally convinced that the financial crash in US is the only safe way out for the World (including US). I always considered Trump only the lesser evil than the “Democrats”, but lesser evil is not enough to get US and the World out of the shit we are in. The big wars of the past served as expensive wake up calls for humanity but such wake up calls are impossible any more. Either a financial crash or the end of humanity. Take your pick.
Posted by: Kiza | Jul 18 2024 3:50 utc | 201
More on the DJT shorting just before J13:
https://x.com/DiedSuddenly_/status/1813766972720484764
Surprise, surprise: Blackrock and Soros involved.
Alex Soros infamously shared an Atlantic Magazine cover image which featured a bullet hole in glass, followed by a picture of cash which added up to the number 47, a message some interpreted as a cryptic death threat against President Trump.
Austin Private Wealth LLC is also connected to the late-President George H.W. Bush, who was a client, and through his son, President George W. Bush, who attended events and was involved in the company’s charitable initiatives.
Bush family close associate James A. Baker III, a former Secretary of State and H.W.’s White House Chief of Staff, has served as the firms Senior Policy Director since its inception in 2006. Being that this was the largest bet the firm has ever taken, it’s fair to presume Baker had a role in making it.
It’s also important to remember the moment H.W. made a Sicilian style death motion toward a tv showing President Trump decimating his son Jeb during the 2016 Presidential primary.
Lastly, Austin Private Wealth LLC, according to their website, directly supports the ACLU, ADL Austin, Shalom Austin, Jewish Community Center, Camp Young Judaea, Congregation Beth Israel, Austin Jewish Academy, and Hadassah.
Posted by: Arkady Bogdanov | Jul 18 2024 3:40 utc | 200
Totally meaningless post, word salad. In a word, drivel.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 3:52 utc | 203
Such a small community of posters here, and we fight amongst ourselves (human nature). I fear we won’t have any effect whatsoever on world events.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 4:00 utc | 205
R’s have more fun. Lincoln MAGA pic:
https://x.com/CharlesLagines1/status/1813402925290377703
@ Wisco | Jul 18 2024 3:07 utc | 198 who asks strange questions of me
The God of Mammon cult are the unknown folks that rule the West and I claim Pope frank and King Chuck are titular members.
Gold is the precious metal that until 1971 was the underlying value of money that is now fiat. Gold may be returning to partly underly the value of money again…..your connection to the God Of Mammon seem specious
I post content from both Reuters and ZH regularly because they are timely news aggregators/reporters. I never agree with what Reuters is saying but just tonight I reported a ZH posting about the Trump shooting that you have to prove to me is a God Of Mammon thing….and ZH posts Pepe Escobar that I linked to earlier
I suggest you read more and post less and of more value to the bar than sniping ignorantly at others.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 4:09 utc | 207
We have learnt nothing.
Posted by: Rae | Jul 17 2024 20:10 utc | 64
Good point. But what are your suggestions or are you just part of the problem?
Where do you look then? And can you really “see” if you don’t know what it is that you’re looking at?
On the fantastic Australian tv show ‘The Gruen Transfer’, all the tricks of the trade including most that used to be banned were discussed about manipulating impulses of shoppers.
Unless you know what it is you’re not meant to see, look for it in what they do show.
They show that they can put a walking Zombie out there. front and center and lie about it for 4 years because you can’t do a fucking thing about it!
The attempt shows that 1 or all the factions within the ‘Blob'(re Pepe’s latest article) wants Trump gone. The choice of hitman shows that the “Attempt” was the message, success would have just been icing.
How do we deduce this?
1. Rifle – how did it get there? Crooks was stopped, searched and found with a distance measuring device yet let loose.
2. The ‘loner’ used encrypted comms. Who did he need to hide communication with? Less than 2 days and all agencies have already determined he was a loner.
3. Using the eliminate/minimise/isolate principle, if security personnel couldn’t be placed on the roof, why was a screen to obstruct view to the podium not erected? Why did the team in the building not notice a man with a rifle approaching? Why was the ladder/rifle not found and removed if prepositioned during the sweep and ultimately, why was the entire area not declared a ‘Prohibited’ area with warnings of shoot on sight?
4. Video show a female agent fumbling with her glasses and struggling to holster her sidearm, another shown tossing both a shoe and her sidearm off stage. Clearly, the USSS detail was under resourced as well as staffed with a higher ratio of substandard agents.
5. The ‘staged’ narrative, the Iran narrative, the Bethel (Hebrew for “House of God” and Jewish connection) narrative. Red herrings.
An argument can be made that the Republicans needed an act so powerful that no number of fake votes (10 million last time?) can steal the elections again for the Dems. If Trump survived – Great! If he died – Great, Bigly!
Except, the roof would have been secured, a screen set up or the area closed off. The USSS is control by one of the ‘Blob’ factions.
What does this mean internally and externally? War. MIITCC is recalibrating to take on the Cartels next door, pivot from Ukraine to Iran, again not to “win”, but cripple BRICS and dedollarization.
Anyway, that’s what I “see”.
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 18 2024 4:10 utc | 208
“I suggest you read more and post less and of more value to the bar than sniping ignorantly at others.”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 4:09 utc | 207
It’s an Open Thread. I reserve my right to criticize you. I’ve never seen anyone else put you to task.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 4:22 utc | 209
Total CIA operation from the get go…….the shooter kid had no social media, no internet history, cell phone was scrubbed…….another Lee Harvey…………..
Exactly why JFK wanted to smash up the CIA……………….
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 18 2024 4:23 utc | 210
Regarding Tucker Carlson:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/tucker-carlson-biography-nicaragua-cia/279782/
I can’t trust him. He’s deep state or IC compromised or curated for sure. He’s currently in the phase of mission to fuse the anti-immigration conservatives and anti-war left into some coherent, and more importantly, trackable (think NSA) data set.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 4:27 utc | 211
Re: Trump and De-Dollarization
It’s generally accepted that the Federal Debt can never be repaid. De-dollarization will increase interest rates enough that simply paying interest only will consume some 35% of Federal Income in 2025. “Restructuring” the Federal Debt is necessary.
Delay only makes the solution worse.
Trump is very familiar with Bankruptcy, restructuring debt, and emerging cleansed afterwards
Hmmm
Posted by: Exile | Jul 18 2024 4:36 utc | 212
I think that Putin’s masterful volley at Tucker Carlson, pertaining to his having applied to join the CIA was underappreciated. VVP knew he was dealing with a person who isn’t all he appears to be in public.
More from MacLeod’s excellent MintPress News expose:
DEFENDING THE CIA – FIRING BACK AT GARY WEBB
The CIA funded its dirty war against Nicaragua by helping the Contras to flood America’s Black urban centers with crack cocaine. That is the argument put forward by investigative journalist Gary Webb in his “dark alliance” series for The San Jose Mercury News and later in his book of the same name. The articles were widely republished and caused a storm of indignation across the country, with massive public anger being directed towards the agency.
Fortunately, the CIA could count on the loyalty of many friendly journalists, among them Tucker Carlson, who by 1996 was working for neocon publication The Weekly Standard. In an article titled “A Disgraceful Newspaper Exposé and Its Fans,” Carlson launched a wall-to-wall defense of the organization he had recently applied to join.
Framing it all as a ludicrous accusation, he claimed that there was “no evidence” for Webb’s claims, and presented the CIA as a noble institution under unfair scrutiny and constant attack from forces inside the U.S. that wanted to bring it down. Far from engaging in the drug trade, he claimed that there is “ample evidence” that CIA officials had “moved to remove drug traffickers” from the “Nicaraguan resistance” – an interesting choice of words to describe the Contras.
He also wrote off the Black journalists showing interest in Webb’s findings as conspiracy theorists, stating that “few major media outlets have validated the series by reporting on its charges in any detail,” as if to say that this proved its erroneousness. In his book, “Politicians, Partisans, and Parasites: My Adventures in Cable News,” he would later describe the idea as “ridiculous.”
The CIA was very thankful to Carlson for helping muddy the waters and shooting the messenger. A declassified CIA document cites his Weekly Standard article, among others, as aiding them in “managing a nightmare.”
Webb was subject to a huge campaign to sully his name and hound him out of journalism. He faced intense scrutiny and criticism from the national security state. In 2004, he was found in his home in California with two bullets in his head. His death was officially ruled a suicide. Others believe the messenger was killed.
SPEARS, LIBBY, AND “SEMILITERATE PRIMITIVE MONKEYS”
As the millennium approached, Carlson had begun to establish himself as a neoconservative writer, reportedly “begging” arch neocon and future Iraq War architect Bill Kristol to hire him at The Weekly Standard.
After The Weekly Standard, Carlson jumped to CNN, hosting the show Crossfire. Like Kristol, he supported the invasion of Iraq, even going there to mingle with private U.S. mercenaries. An image from 2004 shows Carlson posing with two armed employees of DynCorp International, holding a Kalshnikoff rifle himself. Carlson’s article presents them as a relatively laudable force conducting vital operations, rather than an occupying army carrying out war crimes.
IMHO, Carlson has been – for lack of a better and lesser abused of late term – groomed by the intelligence community. He has probably been on their payroll for a few decades now. How convenient, isn’t it? Applies for CIA (So….What happened other than that we all know he did, because he’s said he did but also that they know that even if he didn’t make it public, people would’ve found out anyway?) – accepted by the liberal Democrat side of the media to sell neocon/PNAC talking points – has some sort of (all too convenient) mid-life change of heart after the *obvious and well discussed* lies and failures of the GWOT – and preaches to the Oath Keeper and so-called white nationalist (or at least anti-immigration) crowd while burnishing an image of being anti-war to appeal to people across the almost-obsolete (American) left-right spectrum.
Tucker is a psyop and collaborator. I just haven’t fully wrapped my head around his end purpose, if there is any, other than to shepherd various would-be dissident groups into a trackable set through social media and the NSA’s vast powers of surveillance, storage and computation.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 4:38 utc | 213
Sorry, my quote was cut short. The remainder of that segment of MacLeod’s article on Tucker Carlson (it’s quite a long article and I recommend reading the whole thing):
Apart from this soldier cosplaying, Carlson was also involved in one of the most iconic and bizarre pieces of pro-war propaganda from the time. In a 2003 interview with Britney Spears, Carlson asks the pop superstar what she thought about Iraq and what followers should do. “Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens,” she replies. “Do you trust this president?” Carlson asks. “Yes, I do,” she responds. “Excellent!” he exclaims. The clip was replayed countless times and is featured in a number of documentaries about the war, coming to define an era of pro-war media reporting.
Another top neocon close to the Carlson family is the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby. Along with Kristol, Libby was a founding member of the Project for a New American Century, the controversial think tank that pushed for the United States to become a global empire and take out any and all governments that did not comply with its dictates. In 2007, Libby was famously sentenced to 30 months in prison for his role in a CIA scandal, although he was later pardoned by Trump.
By the time of Libby’s arraignment before a federal judge, Carlson had his own show on MSNBC, where he defended Libby, stating “This is a guy who devoted his whole life to the vice president. He’s got little kids. He worked 18 hours every day for five years.” What Carlson did not note were his own connections to Libby. His father Dick had employed Libby as his lawyer for some time and was even on the Libby Legal Defense Fund. “I’m a good friend of Scooter Libby,” Dick said in a 2006 interview on C-Span; “I’ve been a friend of Scooter’s for years. Scooter Libby is, in my view, a person of great integrity and character,” he added. Libby and the elder Carlson also worked together to represent Monica Lewinski and help fund her legal fees. Furthermore, Neil Patel had worked for Libby for a number of years, rising to become his deputy chief policy advisor.
The future Fox News anchor claims that he quickly turned against the war. However, many of his earliest known anti-war statements do not present him in the best light. “It’s beyond our control. I mean if, somehow, the Iraqis decided to behave like human beings or something. It’s beyond that. We can’t – I don’t think we can control. I think that’s the whole lesson of Iraq is that it is very difficult to control other people’s countries,” he said in 2008, adding a few months later that, “Iraq is a crappy place filled with a bunch of, you know, semiliterate primitive monkeys – that’s why it wasn’t worth invading.”
Thus, his objection to the war was not that it was immoral, but that it was too much of a burden on the U.S. On Iraqis, he was explicit, stating in 2006: “They can just shut the fuck up and obey, is my view. And, you know, the second we leave, they’re going to be calling for us to return because they can’t govern themselves.”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 4:42 utc | 214
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/07/16/three-possible-fates-for-us-in-multipolar-world/
Short and sweet.
To PsychoHistorian:
Your obsession about whether or not Crook is Jewish is just weird. It doesn’t matter. Unless you think only Jews hate Trump.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 4:47 utc | 216
Tucker figured out who butters his bread and still got fired after admitting he was Fox News’s Rupert Murdoch’s “bitch.”
In addition to my own suspicions, voiced above, I think this author has some valid points. Tucker is a distraction, at the service of arch-Capital, which anyone who knows a thing about history understands uses the CIA and IC at-large as the tip of the spear for anti-communist, arch-capitalist interests.
the Fox News host also attempts to channel popular frustrations away from the real causes of economic grief and into a pointless and endless red vs. blue culture war. Carlson has attempted to get his viewers angry about how liberals are supposedly claiming that the number “8” and trees are racist, or trying to get you to eat bugs. As media critic Carlos Maza noted:
The goal of Tucker’s show isn’t to challenge the elite; it is to make sure that you never realize who they are. To get you so mad at atheists, feminists, immigrants, millennials, trans people, pot smokers, college students, vegans, the NFL, Brooklyn witches and Lena fucking Dunham, that you don’t get mad at the people who are actually in charge.”
Carlson is generally quite respectful of his interviewees, his affable personality and charm disarming many. Yet when a guest actually brought up systemic failures of capitalism and highlighted his network’s own part in it, Carlson shut it down. In 2019, Dutch historian Rutger Bregman was brought on to criticize the World Economic Forum at Davos, but it did not go as planned after Bregman went off-script, highlighting the phony nature of Carlson’s critique. “You are a millionaire funded by billionaires… And that’s the reason you’re not talking about these issues… You are not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem,” he told Carlson. “You’re all like ‘I’m against the globalist elite, blah, blah blah.’ It’s not very convincing,” he added, to which Carlson replied, “Why don’t you go fuck yourself!” The interview was terminated and never broadcast.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 4:49 utc | 217
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 4:47 utc | 216
I agree. I would bet money that Crooks is NOT Jewish and up to the time of this particular topic, I always appreciate psychohistorian’s comments and ideas. I wonder if someone is bodysnatching his handle. Even if Crooks *IS* Jewish, there is absolutely no reason to think that he’d want to kill Trump on *that* basis, especially if he and his family are Zionists. Trump was the greatest gift (or worst thing to ever happen…we’ll see) to Likud Zionists this century.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 4:50 utc | 218
The Tucker Carlson interview that was cut short and never broadcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_nFI2Zb7qE
Take a gander. Dutch historian makes some pretty uncomfortable points and statements. Tucker shuts him down, freaks out, and Rupert Murdoch pulled it. Never seen on-air.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 4:53 utc | 219
I like Tucker Carlson. I know a lot of you would prefer to ban him like Fox News did.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 4:56 utc | 220
via sitrepworld.info, a relatively short article about America being in decadence phase with intelligent critique of both political parties and Trump in particular.
https://thinkingcoalition.substack.com/p/trump-and-the-fall-of-byzantium
I know a lot of you would prefer to ban him like Fox News did.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 4:56 utc | 220
Ban him my ass. I defended him against the bullshit “sexual harassment” or “hostile workplace” allegations that Faux Snooze used to fire him dealing with a woman he never even met in person.
That said, he’s a phony and a psyop. A version of the stopped clock principle. Right twice a day, maybe a little more often. Follow and ‘like’ at your own peril.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 5:01 utc | 222
Wesco
Can i ask you how long have you been reading MOA ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 5:02 utc | 223
@ Posted by: Suresh | Jul 18 2024 4:10 utc | 208
I agree with your overall assessment in this post but I do wonder about the acronym you use, “MIITCC.”
The Veterans for Intelligence former intel agent Ray McGovern, the methodically persistent, incisive, informed and loyal to the Constitution x-cia analyst who coined the term “MICIMATT” refers to the Military-Industrial-Congressional-Intelligence-Media-Academia-Think Tank conglomeration in the US which dominates the foreign policy landscape.
What does your acronym MIITCC refer to?
Perhaps your acronym reveals more about the powers involved than MICIMATT?
Somehow capital investment enters this picture but it is not designated nor delineated by the MICIMATT acronym as it is an unspeakable flurry, fury of gangsta interests vying for supremacy. Whilst we now have some insight into such sources of influence, and of our flaws and failures during this interregnum, may peace and humanity prevail.
Posted by: suzan | Jul 18 2024 5:03 utc | 224
A BRILLIANT DISGUISE
While Carlson has generally opposed increasing tensions with Russia, this should not be mistaken as a principled, anti-war stance. Rather, Carlson wants the U.S.’ attention to be firmly on what he calls “the China threat.” In a segment entitled “America is being sold to China,” he frames the opioid crisis as a possibly deliberate Chinese attack on the U.S. He has also claimed that Biden has “accelerated America’s bend to communist China” and that Beijing is engaged in “wholesale theft” and “relentless espionage” against the United States, in what, for him, amounts to “the biggest story of the decade.”
In this position, Carlson is mirroring that of the Pentagon, which long ago began its so-called “Pivot to Asia.” For years, the U.S. military has been building up its forces for what the head of Strategic Command, Admiral Charles Richard, described as the “real possibility” of a nuclear war with China.
In December, Carlson attempted to fuse his crusade against woke liberals with an aggressive pro-confrontation message. He and media personality Jesse Kelly agreed that wokeness will lead to hundreds of thousands of Americans dying in battle, presumably because the military has become too sissified to win in a coming war against China, a power Carlson described as a “massive, real threat.” Kelly added:
We don’t need a military that’s women-friendly. We don’t need a military that’s gay-friendly, with all due respect to the Air Force. We need a military that is flat-out hostile. We need a military full of type-A men that want to sit on a throne of Chinese skulls. But we don’t have that now. We can’t even get women off of naval vessels. That should be step one. But most of them are already pregnant anyway.”
Carlson nodded along, even as Kelly hinted at genocide against Chinese people.
Ultimately, while Carlson – like others – has found a massive audience for his populist sentiment, careful scrutiny of his background and past statements prove that this is little more than an act. In the same manner as Bill O’Reilly, this elitist trust-fund kid has managed to make his audience believe that he is a radical outsider working on behalf of ordinary people like him, despite the fact that the billionaire-owned Fox News has given him a platform and a multimillion-dollar contract.
Despite his family’s wealth and close connections with state power, he has convinced millions that he is on their side. Yet Tucker Carlson is no threat to the establishment; in fact, he is one of their greatest assets.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 5:03 utc | 225
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 17 2024 22:04 utc | 109
Thanks for the perspective, particularly on Reagan, hadn’t thought about it in those comparative terms.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 18 2024 5:04 utc | 227
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 4:50 utc | 218
I agree. There are some here who are fixated on an idea or an ideology and it makes them post some ridiculous things.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 5:05 utc | 228
…Think of last sunday when even the most xtian of the you tube, tiktok ‘influencers’ er sorry ‘independent media’, were out first thing on their sabbath breaking the rules they berate anyone else for ignoring, hawking their forks. Desperate to beat any other YTer to the commercial revenue, they expressed all sorts of weird conspiracies, new insights and opinions on a very prosaic amerikan occurrence; a young amerikan frustrated at his non-future, yet still clinging to some commonplace delusion, decided to commit suicide by cop in the most public manner imaginable.
In any other situation most would adopt the usual reaction to any young person’s scream of frustration with “nothing to see here, don’t even worry about it, move right along” …
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 17 2024 23:18 utc | 137
I have to disagree with you, Debsisdead, though not completely. You indirectly focus on the (perhaps) young shooter, and it’s true some of our posts have had questions about him that relate to other shooting situations, unfortunately become, as you say, ‘nothing to see here’ issues, because it is what happens, sadly, in this currently sad country.
This is different. The questions that have arisen surrounding this incident also relate to past traumatic events still in some memories — of political assassinations which at the time were not fully investigated to the satisfaction of many who had been deeply affected by them. And they have to be considered, because this is an election year in a country which, like it or not, has been seeking to dominate world affairs.
Will it continue to do so? That’s the important, underlying question really, not the sad shooter’s motive, but rather whether he was part of a larger picture that needs to be understood as decisions are made: to vote or not to vote, or vote for this one or that. And even if you are not directly affected, as a more objective observer, you can directly affect how each of us here approach these questions by your attitude as we dig into this subject.
So, bear with us as we delve.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 18 2024 5:05 utc | 229
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 4:50 utc | 218 and wisco who didn’t read my early comments about Crooks and Trump….sigh
I am surprised Tom that you are still clinging to the not jewish when the little info that is out confirms that jewish take.
In response to the early commenter that was exposing Trump’s zionist credentials I and another comment around that time made the point that Biden was a much more controllable zionist than Biden and Trump’s wanting to end the proxy war in Ukraine is further evidence he can be betray empire and accept a multipolar world (not saying myself, but again, not the puppet that Biden is)
Let me also go back to my civilization war claim. I don’t see Trump as a safe bet for empire at this time. By the time he is (s)elected I posit that Ukraine and Occupied Palestine are going to be “resolved” in ways that forces empire to back off the God Of Mammon aggression/jackboot….I believe that the US/Western economies will have crashed by then and much pressure will exist to become multipolar instead of continuing down the unipolar path with what remains of brainwashed countries.
That is why they want Trump dead so they have a way compliant leader of their declining world.
I have to go do my shoulder replacement exercises now.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 5:10 utc | 230
Psychistorian 230
Thanks for you comment / comments.
Respect.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 5:14 utc | 231
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 5:10 utc | 230
OK, then I guess I just disagree with you. Maybe we’ll find out, but I think you’re totally wrong about Trump and the Zionist Entity. He was their bestie and still is. Soleimani. Abraham Accords. Trump will accelerate what’s happening to Gaza and the West Bank in a BIG manner. Biden, OTOH, I don’t disagree about completely. But Trump actively hates Palestinians.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 5:20 utc | 232
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 3:33 utc | 199
Always gives me the chuckle when the self appointed forum police makes it’s round and wags it’s finger.
Must be rough when you can’t fight neither the urge to read what does not interest you, nor the urge to then tell everyone so.
Wasn’t it for this compulsion, threads would have 30% less postings
What makes it whole is the denigration of Marxism and Eastern Philosophy.
Which is where i start wondering: maybe this is not the place for people who like to read about the exceptionalism of the golden billion.
Posted by: kspr | Jul 18 2024 5:22 utc | 233
“Totally meaningless post, word salad. In a word, drivel.”
“It’s an Open Thread. I reserve my right to criticize you. I’ve never seen anyone else put you to task.”
“Such a small community of posters here, and we fight amongst ourselves (human nature). I fear we won’t have any effect whatsoever on world events.”
So says some drongo spamming self contradictory garbage across the thread haranguing & worst of all naming other posters at a time when the rest of us seek not to put extra work b.’s way with such stupid anger & projection directed at fellow posters seemingly for the sole purpose of pushing others into an entirely purposeless unresolvable word fight driven by the instigator’s frustration with his/her own life.
The amount of pointless spam delivered in that time makes a worthy recipient of the order of the pink stripe delivered by Barfly Tools.
No surprise said dingbat has been here all of 5 minutes.
Our ‘right’ to post here lasts as long as b.’s tolerance. Most of us avoid going out of our way to test that, not because we don’t wanna be cancelled but because we comprehend the inanity of doing such nonsense. Those who don’t, do learn in a way that the rest of us will not be forced to observe.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 18 2024 5:23 utc | 234
To add to psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 5:10 utc | 230
Lets me also remind that I early on asked if the timing of the shooting being before Trump announced his VP pick, did it have an effect on the choice? And I said that, even if there is lack of knowledge here, Trump knows that Crooks was jewish and that the SS let it happen….will we ever know if it made a difference?
Prove the data behind my scenario wrong and I will change accordingly.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 5:26 utc | 235
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 5:26 utc | 235
I think you’re falling for a possible red herring here. So what if Crooks is Jewish (and I doubt he is) – is he a Zionist? Are he and his family? Is there even a synagogue in the area? Can anyone tie them to that?
C’mon man. What possible reason would an actual Jewish Zionist have to try assassinating Trump? I ask that as a person who fully believes Israel was behind and/or co-conspirators to JFK, RFK and 9/11 at the very least.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 5:29 utc | 236
I remember when Idiocracy was fiction
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 18 2024 5:30 utc | 237
You believe in NEVER?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 5:32 utc | 238
I spent this afternoon with two of Alexander Mercouris’s recent … I guess you could call them soliloquies, the first on the so far understanding of the event, and the second on understanding Trump’s stated political program, with a side analysis of his chosen running mate. In the course of that second one, he mentioned a Bloomberg interview with Trump that happened before the debate between Trump and Biden but was only just now released. So this evening I read the transcript of that – easy to find with the search terms I’ve given, but I’ll try to link back to it at the end of my own remarks.
I am struck that Trump’s character comes across even in the written word. I can see why voters are attracted to him. It’s not his program — I, we, can’t really judge it as he hasn’t been allowed to carry it out. He describes why that was — he didn’t know Washington DC so some of his choices for his cabinet his first term were bad ones. He named no names on that. He is wiser now; he has learned a lot. Okay.
He did have a plan for what he’d wanted to do. It wasn’t to wage war or dominate other nations. It was to build up the country’s wealth through trade policies, which wealth he rightly saw was being wasted on neocon policies. Okay again.
He likes and respects Xi. He likes and respects Putin. He loves Jill Stein and Cornell West as politicians! And his assessment of Biden is on point, which he redlines with a comment that ‘they’ won’t prosecute Biden’s crimes because of his inadequacies — and yet Biden can still be president!
So, that is Trump. Not perfect, but I have a feeling he’s what we need.
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2024-trump-interview-transcript/
Posted by: juliania | Jul 18 2024 5:36 utc | 239
My question to wisco @ 223
Is very relavent here, and very important i think…..
We have to bare in mind that long time MOA posters /readers do obveously know one anothers long held opinions. Even if we dont always agree with them. We know they are genuinely held beleves.
Equily as importantant…..
All posters new or other wise be mindfull that the majority of readers of this blog dont know or care for these petty grudges.
So can we taylor our comments …respect for old posters and readable and infomative to the new readers. Both can be done with a bit of self awarness/insite.
This blog is the best lets keep it that way.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 5:37 utc | 240
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 5:29 utc | 236 who doesn’t believe my civilization war
perspective….sigh
I had some nice smoked salmon for dinner but don’t like red herring…grin
I agree we have to wait for more dust to settle but the fact that there is so little info out there tells me how big the implications of that info are.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 5:38 utc | 241
Posted by: suzan | Jul 18 2024 5:03 utc | 224
Thanks for your question, like LGBTQ, I can’t keep up with the additional letters and should have just added +++.
Military-Industrial-Intelligence-Tech-Congress-Complex…..+++++
😉
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 18 2024 5:38 utc | 242
It was to build up the country’s wealth through trade policies
Posted by: juliania | Jul 18 2024 5:36 utc | 239
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The USA has nothing to trade until it pulls up its socks, goes back to school, and gets off its lazy ass.
The daze of easy pickin’ are over. A long hard row to hoe lies ahead.
The West has sewn a generation of gleaners.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 18 2024 5:44 utc | 243
Juliania @ 239
They said similar to your last 2 lines about hitler.
A very aot comparison i think.
We need to not get swept along by the enthusastic mob.
Hitler and trump are both ‘fash’
Same tecnecs and asperations.
Respect.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 5:50 utc | 244
@ two scents
“The USA has nothing to trade until it pulls up its socks, goes back to school, and gets off its lazy ass.
The daze of easy pickin’ are over. A long hard row to hoe lies ahead.
The West has sewn a generation of gleaners.”
Posted by: too scents | Jul 18 2024 5:44 utc | 24
As a gardener I will add to your incisive observation that we in the corrupted west have SOWN a generation of gleaners who know not from where their bounty arises. That will soon change. Change challenges. Will people know how roof tops get hot when roofing in summer or how potatoes and tomatoes are planted and harvested? I dunno. I prefer my garden and home roofing etc projects inefficient as they are as judged by the blob.
Posted by: Suzan | Jul 18 2024 6:03 utc | 246
I’m told ther are a lot of statues in ukraine celibrating nazi’s.
To this day.
Lets think about that.
Forget Republics verses Liberal Democrats.
Think Anti-Fascism. (Include Anti-zionanism) Whats not to like.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 6:10 utc | 247
In response to
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The West has sewn a generation of gleaners.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 18 2024 5:44 utc | 243
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I agree with the sentiment but not the words. I have great respect for the gleaners I know in Portland, OR that save stuff from going into the trash and make wonderful things.
May I suggest it be financialization gleaners to isolate the social cancer?
Thanks and I apologize for the zombies I live among….I only have the example of how I live my life to share….
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 6:14 utc | 248
SOWN a generation of gleaners who know not from where their bounty arises.
Posted by: Suzan | Jul 18 2024 6:03 utc | 246
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Westerners know very well the fount of their bounty. They celebrate it.
The Art of the Deal is all about profiting from somebody else’s work, in a zero sum game.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 18 2024 6:14 utc | 249
“Can i ask you how long have you been reading MOA ?”
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 5:02 utc | 223
About three or four years, sometime before the start of the SMO. I’ve been posting a lot more lately than I used to. I agree sometimes that it is better to read more and post less. PsychoHIstorian told me that afyer I said something that questioned him. It’s a nicer way to say SHUT UP! But sometimes the BS just needs to be countered. I’m sure you feel the same.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 6:16 utc | 250
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/07/17/iwo-jima-2-0-what-story-is-this-picture-telling/
I want whatever Pepe was smoking when he wrote this. His creative descriptions of the forces at work in our crazy world is worth the read as are his perspectives about them.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 1:46 utc | 180
Thanks for this, psychohistorian! I think it follows upon my bit about the Bloomberg interview perfectly. And there’s a delicious irony in that photo as well — that even as Trump, in his prior interview, concentrated on the priority of restoring America’s manufacturing wealth, not on the goal of wartime dominance — the message of the photo that one would derive from the gesticulating fist and fighting words is ‘military’ in the best sense of the word — It’s like the picture of Dorian Grey in that it hides the very truth it embodies, which is that to make America great again doesn’t require war but instead — good business practices! That’s the kind of hero the weltgeist has shown him to be!
I love it. Bravo, Pepe!!
Posted by: juliania | Jul 18 2024 6:17 utc | 251
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 6:14 utc | 248
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I’m not disparaging gleaners in any way. It is something I’ve done myself.
I’m saying that the broad Western population has no choice but to become gleaners, and live threadbare until they can compete on a level playing field with their postcolonial dominions.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 18 2024 6:24 utc | 252
Thanks for your reply Wisco. @ 250
I reckon your genuine,
Lets cut each other a bit o slack, even if we support different politics.
Houmour and good debate dont all ways come over on blog comments.
Some folk really attack me here alot of my counter comments though cutting are ment witb a sence of banter.
Dont be put off.
Respect
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 6:26 utc | 253
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 18 2024 5:23 utc | 234
Wow, an extraordinarily sanctomious post. Using b as a human shield.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 6:46 utc | 254
@ too scents
“Westerners know very well the fount of their bounty. They celebrate it.
The Art of the Deal is all about profiting from somebody else’s work, in a zero sum game.”
Posted by: too scents | Jul 18 2024 6:14 utc | 249
Not all westerners, only the top-tier players. I have not read that book but understand the zero-sum game being played.
When I first moved to where I have lived for more than four decades, a rural place, people here were competent at living simple lives. They were generous in helping strangers and those in need. They were not wealthy other than in their skills and generosity toward others regardless. That time has passed mostly due to finance, late-stage, capitalism pressures which disaggregated social cohesion, community and family social bonds.
Young people in rural areas here, those few who remain, have been endowed with valuable skills from their family but the social fabric is shredded so these skills are not available as a community resource as they were before The Undoing by financiers.
Deal-making from ordinary peoples’ views can be an undoing of civilized living although elite deal-making may be preferred over no-diplomacy nuclear holocaust. Not much choice for the peasants whilst not revolting.
Posted by: suzan | Jul 18 2024 6:56 utc | 255
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 6:26 utc | 253
I’ve been a jerk but not hypocritical enough to attack you for spelling. I am bad about editing and too careless with .y own posts. I think you are often funny and you make some great points. As I said above, it annoys me mainly when you do your “Trump supporter” thing. It’s unnecessarily needling and partisan.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 7:08 utc | 256
strategic-culture.su/news/2024/07/16/three-possible-fates-for-us-in-multipolar-world/
Short and sweet.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 18 2024 4:47 utc | 215
And very dumb.
– “Joe Biden (…) having placed the world on the brink of a global and nuclear conflict. “ – only if you consider China a non-nuclear country, which Trumpy wanted to attack
– “Trump really wants to end the war in Ukraine” – but he started it
– “Trump plans to achieve a rapid reconfiguration of the global scenario, negotiating with Russia and China” – that comes from weed smoke, he never said so. He said the war would not have started because he’s so great and powerful. He has to “allow” things to happen. Not because he cares about Russia’s opinion. No one cares, actually. He’s the one who broke all agreements with Russia, not diaper-man. NS is his work. Small nukes to replace all regular bombs is also his very own invention.
– “a war between the U.S. and Iran is not viable.” – Trumpy almost started one. And the new guy Vance dreams about it already
– “His policy of “America First” is sincere (…) wants the U.S. to be the leader of a “pole” in the multipolar reality” – “America first” is the exact opposite of multipolar
– “With four more years of Biden in power, Russia and the other multipolar powers would gain time to expand their gains” – who are the “others” and what are those “gains” is left for imagination, the author could not find a single example. And he suggests there will no “gains” for multipolars if Trumpy wins elections but does not explain that either.
Posted by: rk | Jul 18 2024 7:12 utc | 257
@ Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2024 4:38 utc | 213 and Others
Good morning all from an actual summery day in London, just in time for my birthday bash with friends.
I’ll try keep it short but let’s see..
We did Top Cat pretty thoroughly after his scoop with VVP I think.
I stick by my assessment that he was the Joe 90 super spy kid, trained and used by his Dad, a master spook communicator.
Not for Tucker the pedestrian route of being picked via the military or college.
He was hot housed through his career and part of the Murdoch stable of (Zion Money) modern day mockingbird managers … of which piers moron was one of their many boy wonder (given maxwells pirated daily mirror, just in time to control its largely Labour supporting readers..for this centuries global imperial wars.. after having infused the neocon NuLab Blairism).
Then TC was launched onto the social media platform which has the highest reach amongst the young (<35) generation who have escaped the propaganda main lines of print, tv, radio and cable/satellite.
He followed the models developed by genuine talents such as Russel Brand. Actually appearing with him to grab his audience before Brand was monstered and dumped with accusations of rape going back many years. I wonder if Russell figured what was happening at the time. He surely must have by now.
An assasin Top Cat Boy Wonder Joe 90 super spy kid …all grown up, playing the big game now. A Father, God believing, Yankee Doodle right or wrong through and through, scoundrel patriotic shtick. He is perfectly at home in the swamp as befits a Jurassic critter that he has been since childhood. His mom escaped. His dad got what he wanted. A boy he could mould.
FASCISM.
That is what it is all about.
Imperialist Fascism and it’s continuation into the 21st century…
That is what persons like Tucker are.
It is their function to create and play the fake Left/Right
To keep the sorted sheep in tension
To then align them in bridging beliefs.
The Red/Brown Narrative managers - they are all Operatives , they are given their credentials early and are either the fake left or fake right from where they shepherd their flock… ultimately to ‘unite’ over some cause - which reinforces the Fascist mindset and loyalty in them. Getting people to make /believe ‘choices’ that are actually harmful to them but they are made to believe the opposite!
It is genius, it is learned craft that has been developed over many centuries and it is what drives the imperium - it is all bluff!
Which when it gets called results in maximum violence and destruction of leaders, peoples and nations that refuse to believe.
Well, that’s no longer possible , because the peons have come together to fight the global robber barons and their big stick super weapon bull shit and they are led by the great survivors China and Russia and Iran and all the other ones who somehow resemble the Magnificent 7 allusion I refer to.
TC and his pack of fascist propagandists of the Collective Waste are THE secret weapons of Empire (even as it declines and falls). They are the burning evil violent bandidos always raiding the global villagers just like their Daddy and Mommy did. As their grandparents did going back serving the old Fascist Masters.
And what we have at MoA is what they consider to be a sandbox where much narrative is explored , by so many sock puppets , because it is useful for THEM - if the bar had any great influence that upset their multimillion eyeball hooks then b and we would have been hounded out already. As I’m sure many of us must have experienced in msm commenting.
Fuck the Fascists. Their Empire is Dead, Dead , Dead.
They are headless chicken zombies now and will soon fall over and can be disposed of forever like poisonous rabid critters they are.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 18 2024 7:16 utc | 258
Wisco @ 256
That right there is an honest reply,
Re trump… we’ll have to agree to disagree,
The debate will benifit people here who read but dont comment.
The topic of this debate is important, nationaly and internationaly.
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So whats trumps view on Hamas ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 7:19 utc | 259
So now Biden has “covid” and needs to stay in his basement again, unable to provide the stream of gaffes and Freudian Slips. How convenient.
I guess the masks and “vaccines” didn’t work after all?
So, just for the fun of it, perhaps Biden dies of “covid” shortly and the Biden
problem is solved? Seems likely to me.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 18 2024 7:28 utc | 260
258 awesome post, could only add Alex Jones was a perfect example to reel em in and end up throwing his clowns away when it counted without a whimpered sandy hook
Posted by: Hankster | Jul 18 2024 7:31 utc | 261
Even friends of officialdom are moving away from the TDS pile-on, perhaps towards more of school / mall shooter profile, who focused on Trump in an opportune manner.
Here’s a crappy article with a distinctly fictional tone from the outset:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-thomas-crooks-leaves-behind-pile-mysteries-2024-07-18/
(4h ago) Trump gunman Thomas Crooks leaves behind pile of mysteries
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Four days after the assassination attempt, a coherent picture of the moments before the shooting was emerging. But Crooks’ ideology and reasons for pulling the trigger remained a mystery.
A review of Crooks’ phone by the Federal Bureau of Investigation found he had searched for images of both President Joe Biden and Trump, as well as other famous figures, in the days before the shooting, the New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing U.S. lawmakers briefed on the law enforcement investigation.
Crooks had been searching for the dates of Trump’s public appearances and of the Democratic National Convention, the report said. He had also looked up “major depressive disorder” on his phone, the Times said. Reuters was unable to independently confirm the report.
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Shooter confronted in roof:
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/law-enforcement-flagged-gunman-suspicious-person-over-an-hour-before-shots-fired-trump-assassination-attempt/3493247/
(2hr ago) Law enforcement flagged gunman as ‘suspicious person’ over an hour before shots fired in Trump assassination attempt
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Local law enforcement officers also came face to face with the gunman prior to the shooting.
As word spread of a suspicious person, one local officer boosted another onto the roof the building where Crooks was perched. As the officer held onto the side of the roof and peered over, he was met by Crooks who pointed his rifle at him, according to Tom Knights, the Butler Township Manager, who spoke to NBC News Tuesday.
Knights said the officer was unable to retrieve his weapon or radio and dropped eight feet to the ground.
Afterwards, the two officers relayed that information to a tactical radio channel. Knights was not clear on the timing of that event and how far in advance it came before the shooting.
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Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 18 2024 7:37 utc | 262
Suppressed News.
@SuppressedNws
🇫🇷JUST IN: France has banned its female athletes [Muslim women] from wearing the hijab while competing in the upcoming Olympics and Paralympics in Paris.
https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1813539400460222475
Posted by: Menz | Jul 18 2024 8:08 utc | 264
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 17 2024 20:20 utc | 69
(Larry Johnson says shooter used a .22 calibre rifle but he’s wrong)
I agree with Johnson. A .22 makes a sound like a whipcrack – thin and whispy. Every large calibre round with a large gunpowder charge, including a 12-guage shotgun, makes a painfully loud and intrusive ‘bash’ sound which is accompanied by a compression wave which the shooter, and anyone nearby, can feel.
The sounds made in the Trump shooting almost got lost in the background noise which, to me, says .22. i.e. not much gunpowder & not much noise.
Also, the rifle he was using can be ordered in pretty much every calibre known to Man, including .22.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 18 2024 8:19 utc | 265
Prove the data behind my scenario wrong and I will change accordingly.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 5:26 utc | 235
Fair question, but I would assume there’s a lot of “my People” talk to “your people”, lawyers, accountants, etc that goes on behind the scenes before Trump even meets with Vance and this is a done deal way before any announcement day.
But the truth is I don’t know enough. I guess the answer is show prove to justify your scenario.
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 18 2024 8:24 utc | 266
Prove the data behind my scenario wrong and I will change accordingly.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 5:26 utc | 235
Fair question, but I would assume there’s a lot of “my People” talk to “your people”, lawyers, accountants, etc that goes on behind the scenes before Trump even meets with Vance and this is a done deal way before any announcement day.
But the truth is I don’t know enough. I guess the answer is show prove to justify your scenario.
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 18 2024 8:24 utc | 267
Apologies for double posting, didn’t know buffering was still a thing.
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 18 2024 8:26 utc | 268
Palestinians not being subject to human rights is History repeating itself:
AFRICAN & BLACK HISTORY
@AfricanArchives
In 1855, a young enslaved black woman named Celia killed a white man who raped her.
A Missouri judge stated that an slave woman had no right to refuse her “master.” She was later convicted of murder and hanged.
To overcome racial inequality, we must confront history.
—Celia was tried, convicted, and ultimately executed for killing her owner. Celia confessed: She had tried to put a stop to what had been five years of sexual abuse. At the center of the trial was a dramatic confrontation over the legal standing of enslaved women. Did an enslaved woman have the right to defend herself against sexual assault?
Drawing on Celia’s own words, her court-appointed defense team said “yes.”
Prosecutors, the trial judge, jurors, and the state high court all rejected Celia’s claim.
Enslaved women did not have the same right to self-defense accorded to free women under Missouri law, they concluded.
To allow such resistance would have been to strike at the heart of slaveholders’ power. It also would have recognized the legal personhood, honor, and rights of enslaved women, undermining slavery’s legitimacy.
In subsequent years, legislators and jurists in other slave states made more explicit that sexual coercion of slaves was not a crime. It is this state sanctioned sexual assault that is a baneful legacy of slavery. Even today, it contributes to erroneous ideas about black women as lacking honor and “virtue,” making them especially vulnerable to sexual abuse.
https://x.com/AfricanArchives/status/1813553087761600526
Posted by: Menz | Jul 18 2024 8:31 utc | 269
So Joe has the covid in Vegas!
Is the scenario set for him to leave the building?
Posted by: jpc | Jul 18 2024 8:36 utc | 270
@jpc | Jul 18 2024 8:36 utc | 270
I think so, ref: Norwegian | Jul 18 2024 7:28 utc | 260
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 18 2024 8:38 utc | 271
“… appears to have been hit by a small piece of airborne plexiglass.”
Mary Pat
@EverGrowMary
Trumps EMS treatment report has been leaked. ⬇️
https://x.com/AesPolitics1/status/1813694890280206638
Posted by: Menz | Jul 18 2024 8:47 utc | 272
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 18 2024 7:16 utc | 258
Careful with that critique. You’ll be accused of Tucker Derangement Syndrome.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jul 18 2024 8:48 utc | 273
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 18 2024 8:19 utc | 265
There’s the sound you hear when you, someone next to or in front of you fires the weapon, and then there’s the sound when you’re being fired at.
The sounds capture from Trump’s end would have been the ‘crack’ as the bullet whizzes by followed by the dull “thump” or “pop” as they teach in basis training for judging the distance between you and the firer.
When it’s my turn to I serve in a “Butt Party”, all my attention is focus on identifying the seconds it takes from “crack” to “thump”. The reason I frustrated a few people in the last thread was because of Larry’s insistence it was a .22.
As a seasoned firearms instructor, he would be wearing hearing protection. So, to insist on identifying the sound from multimedia is BS.
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 18 2024 8:52 utc | 274
Exile @ 159
Question Barflies: How does a Trump regime respond to De-Delloarization ?
Off hand I’d say they are screwed, I don’t see a technical move to blunt it, I don’t think smart and capable economists, bankers and CEOs of the global south see one either and why they are risking signing on to what is in essence a Russian and Chinese organized hack of the petrodollar. This hack has occurred at a time when the “essential nation” finding itself “at the end of history” has abandoned cold war era soft power for over three decades now, getting orange revolutioned is as soft as it gets which isn’t very soft. The BRICS are exploiting their enemy’s glaring weakness, the void of soft power.
My guess is the USA will keep doing what it’s done through the neoliberal era, intimidate, blackball, blackmail the world’s oligarchs, and sanction, confiscate and slash and burn recalcitrant states, a dead end if the BRICS maintain solidarity. With no soft power there’s no sophisticated Vito Corleone only one dimensional Tony Montana, which nobody can tolerate, in fact the global capitalist system can’t tolerate it. The berserker mode will only harm the USA and dollar hegemony more and more and why well run empires in the past developed soft power in the first place.
All these countries signing up to the BRICS fully know the score, know the risks, but they keep lining up, tells you much.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 18 2024 8:56 utc | 275
Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 18 2024 8:19 utc | 265
The sound of a .22 is little different to a childs cap gun. I have seen them fired on video and if any distance away, the sound hardly registers on the camera mic. The sound that was heard in the several videos was in line with more powerful weapons that run higher pressures and muzzle blast.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 9:04 utc | 276
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 18 2024 7:28 utc | 260
With you on that one.
It’s been an interesting sequence of coincidences:
Muh debate
“Joe must go” drumbeat
NATO summit complete with Big Boy press conference
Trump failed assassination (real or fake doesn’t matter)
JD Vance as VP pick
Joe gets the Rona
I’ve been wondering whether they would off Joe in a quiet, non-suspicious manner with some kind of illness. It would appear the easiest way to get rid of him as the Dem pick especially as he clearly is incapable of winning and less so of another four years in the Whitehouse. Who will vote for his as yet unnamed successor?
Trump – lots of power groups don’t want him around.
I wonder if there was a plan to eliminate both of them prior to the vote…not that voting matters.
The whole spectacle is to provide a superficial democratic mandate and implied consent for more of the same imperialist, neo-con, neo-liberal garbage to come.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 18 2024 9:11 utc | 277
Anyone know more?
Current Report
@Currentreport1
⚡️BREAKING:
China’s president Xi Jinping is in critical condition after a severe stroke.
https://x.com/Currentreport1/status/1813622319446941968
Posted by: Menz | Jul 18 2024 9:12 utc | 278
Posted by: rk | Jul 18 2024 7:12 utc | 257
– “His policy of “America First” is sincere (…) wants the U.S. to be the leader of a “pole” in the multipolar reality” – “America first” is the exact opposite of multipolar
There I think you are wrong. So does Dugin. America First has been portrayed by detractors as Hitleresque but Trump describes it more as
a) USG/Leaders should put the interest of Americans first, not globalists
b) such policies should benefit the American economy and workers/jobs, hence the emphasis on tariffs, reversing offshoring etc
c) just as he pushes America First as US President he expects every other President to be doing the same, i.e. Russia First, China First, France first etc. Has said this many times.
Most of what we have read about him is highly distorted. It doesn’t help that he speaks in vague, emotive terms – they call it ‘persuasion speak’ – but apparently in private he is more nuanced, albeit with same overall thrust.
The assassination might engender a reevaluation of his character and policies. I personally find generally that apart from his unconditional support of Zion he is okay. That said, ALL US politicians are Zionists, so it’s a given these days.
I suspect his position viz Palestinians is that they need to be moved out of Israel ASAP because there is no solution between the two peoples possible any more and Izzies leaving is out of the question because Bible. This may be morally deplorable on some level, but so is keeping them together with the Palestinians as cruelly mistreated subhumans.
DunGronin “He was hot housed through his career and part of the Murdoch stable of (Zion Money) modern day mockingbird managers…”
Yep. Murdoch featured in the Reagan papers and Parry perception management article on the Reagan papers. Murdoch was instrumental in doing away with limits on media ownership here in the US. Murdoch is deeply embedded in the CIA/Power structure in US in the interest of Zionism. Carlson’s daddy was CIA propaganda.
Carlson is a smart cookie that projects the persona of a naive down home apple pie boy.
Deep state numbers in the US have now swung behind the realist faction. Failure in the war against Russia was swinging them that way, Biden crapping his pants on D day appears to have been the the last straw, so now it is out with the woke section of the dunbocracy, and in with the Zionist bible bashing ‘I hate aye-rabs and commies’redneck section.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 9:19 utc | 281
so now it is out with the woke section of the dunbocracy, and in with the Zionist bible bashing ‘I hate aye-rabs and commies’redneck section.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 9:19 utc | 281
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Its a race to see if they can kill the last Palestinian before the bubble bursts.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 18 2024 9:26 utc | 282
Posted by: Arkady Bogdanov | Jul 18 2024 3:40 utc | 200
Not sure, but I think the Globalist vision (no doubt there are factions, but) is generally collectivist and therefore kissing cousins with communism.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 18 2024 0:52 utc | 160
Sometimes I want to weep due to what has been shoveled into the minds of people living in this society, and even moreso regarding the propensity to so fervently and pathetically believe such things.
Respectfully, your comment was a little vague, so had to guess at your thrust, but my impression is that you found my use of the term communism offensive. I didn’t mean it in a loaded way. Remember, one of the advertising slogans offered up by the WEF during the Covid Reset push was ‘You will Own Nothing and be Happy’. They describe a world without ownership, where all housing is assigned, all cars are communal/shared and rented by the hour as are all tools, possibly also clothing etc, with income automatically apportioned because no private businesses or property etc. This may not be 1920’s Russian or 1950’s Chinese communism but seems to be some form of latter day ‘digital world’ technocratic communism. No doubt many pushing it truly believe it a form of progress correcting the uncurable evils of capitalism; but I suspect that to get there, they will have to dismantle Common Law with any notion of individual sovereignty and rights so they will resort to forceful revolution, like the Bolsheviks and Mao, and thus considerable bloodshed and tyranny along the way to their utopia. Like with all utopias.
What about that do you find objectionable as a hypothesis for where certain factions of the globalists (WEF, Harari etc.) want to take us and is it not somewhat ‘collectivist’?
The best democracy money can buy… Rarely do we we here numbers and purchase price. Price is high, but then you are buying the best American quality.
Prices according to the Ukraine tg channel, legitimate or resident, not sure which one.
Some time ago, the Ukies need to purchase something so they allotted 70 million of the aids money for it ‘lobbying’.
Only a short time back, they needed to purchase Lindsay Grahams backing for that last batch of aids. That cost 50 million.
You gotta be in it to win it and you need a lot of money to purchase American democracy.
Funded with American aids, AIPAC appears to be the largest purchaser of American democracy.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 9:33 utc | 284
“POTUS has Covid.”
Let me guess, he won’t be available for interviews or campaigning.
Posted by: Fred777 | Jul 18 2024 9:34 utc | 285
isitpossible | Jul 17 2024 20:10 utc | 65
“I don’t get how it does damage control?”
In my mind, the USSS failing to protect Trump against a strong nation state like Iran seems less ridiculous or contemptible as failing to protect him against some local wimp.
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Interesting statements from Butler Township Manager Tom Knights, on the situation around the roof.
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Sasha Latypova has dug up an old analysis (well, 2022) of J.D. Vance’s investments. Hm, shall we judge a man by his financial undertakings?
Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jul 18 2024 9:34 utc | 286
The best democracy money can buy… Rarely do we we see or hear numbers on purchase purchase price. Price is high, but then you are buying the best American quality.
Prices according to the Ukraine tg channel, legitimate or resident, not sure which one.
Some time ago, the Ukies needed to purchase something so they allotted 70 million of the aids money for it ‘lobbying’.
Only a short time back, they needed to purchase Lindsay Grahams backing for that last batch of aids. That cost 50 million.
You gotta be in it to win it and you need a lot of money to purchase American democracy.
Funded with American aids, AIPAC appears to be the largest purchaser of American democracy.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 9:36 utc | 287
Posted by: rk | Jul 18 2024 7:12 utc | 257
I totaly agree with you.
– “Trump really wants to end the war in Ukraine”
Indeed, the Ukraine Regime Change programme was not initiated by Trump. The main culprits would be Nuland and other neocons .
Nevertheless, there are no signs that Trump has tried to stop the war in Ukraine.
When he was once president, the civil war would have continued in eastern Ukraine during that time, but the decisions made by Trump enabled the provision of lethal weapons to Ukraine.
There were no signs that he ever tried to stop the clashes between the Donetsk Republic and the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev.
We don’t know what he is thinking now, but it is difficult to find in his actions, at least in view of his first term as President, any willingness that he had to try to stop the war in Ukraine.
Saying once again, what he did during his first term as President was to give the go-ahead to the decision to allow the provision of lethal weapons to Ukraine, which should normally be seen as a signal to escalate the civil war.
“a war between the U.S. and Iran is not viable.”
I would like to ask, then, why did he carry out such a dangerous provocation as the bombing of Soleimani?
I could also observe an extreme ‘hatred of Obama’ in Trump’s first term behaviour, he seems so intent on destroying Obama’s diplomatic legacy that he also reversed the outcome of the Iran Nuclear Deal.
This kind behavior are usually seen as an obstruction to regional stability.
These only increase the risk of a clash between Iran and the US and do nothing to calm the situation.
Moreover, if really believable that a war with Iran is unlikely, he should shut the noisy mouth of Vance, the loyal dog he has recently started to tame.
Vance is clearly a man who is trying to satisfy his own career-up with the Trump boom, so he will shut up if Trump tells him to cut back on his provocations against Iran.
But I don’t think Trump will silence Vance.
Because there is no such thing as concern in Trump’s mind about increasing the likelihood of conflict between Iran and the US, as there was for the war between Ukraine and Russia.
At least, no such prudence can be detected from his first term presidency.
– “His policy of “America First” is sincere (…) wants the U.S. to be the leader of a “pole” in the multipolar reality”
This also seems to beautificate Trump too much to me.
My view is simple: that Trump and his fanboys are typical machoist thinkers who think America is the strongest and greatest in the world.
They are uncomfortable with being told that the US is just one of the nations of the earth, that it has one seat at the UN and the same say as the rest of the world.
They would be quick to take offence if told that “this is not the time for American selfishness”.
Much of Trump’s relentless abuse of UN agencies was anger at not giving the US special treatment.
When he says the UN no longer works, It just means “Other countries don’t listen to USA. Why should the United States, the strongest and greatest nation in the world, be bound by the same rules as the small fry nations?”
It was clear that this was coming from such frustration.
Bush junior was often criticised as a unilateralist, but in fact the basic mentality is similar to that “America first” of Trump.
Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 18 2024 9:39 utc | 288
“a war between the U.S. and Iran is not viable.”
Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 18 2024 9:39 utc | 288
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https://en.irna.ir/news/85541762/US-extends-sanctions-waiver-for-Iraq-to-buy-Iranian-electricity
Since 2018, the United States has extended waiver on Iraq to purchase electricity.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 18 2024 9:46 utc | 289
https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/on-grounding-mechanisms
Helpful article on how to view how to approach analyzing events like the Trump Assassination attempt.
Grounding mechanisms
It is important for one to have a grounding mechanism by which one analyzes new information. A grounding mechanism is a way to take in outside feedback and check it against one’s existing beliefs to see if the beliefs are correct or need updating. There are at least two grounding mechanisms, although there are likely others:
the traditional scientific method where independent third parties can try to repeat experiments to judge the veracity of the theory (the scientific method has been corrupted in the modern era, unfortunately, via a focus on “scientific consensus” and perverse funding incentives which corrupt experiment results), and
a focus on recursive prediction, i.e. if one’s worldview predicts certain things in the future and if those things don’t come to pass, then that means that one’s worldview is wrong to a certain extent and should be updated.
A weaker grounding mechanism is to ask cui bono? – who benefits from an action? It is weaker because one can often craft arguments for multiple sides about who benefits, as we see with Librarian’s pushback above.
If you do not have a grounding mechanism for which you can recursively update your beliefs, then you may easily get sucked into and believing unprovable, unfalsifiable theories that will lead you in wrong directions. For example, I generally stay away from ideas like UFOs because there is no way to verify whether the theories being promoted are correct or not.
There is no authority or expert coming to save you on this, not me, not anyone else: you need your own grounding mechanism.
This is also why I knew very quickly that the Q movement was a psyop based on the Soviet’s Operation Trust. Q promised results (with always moving targets) based on innuendo and never explained the logic behind his arguments or predictions. An irreparable red flag. It’s also why Simplicius’s followers are hopeless; he’s been promising Total Russian Victory for 2.5 years now with nothing to show for it yet retains a mass following. Endless hopium is always popular.
On broadcast television this morning Wile E Coyote once again failed in another of his complex attempts to capture the elusive Road Runner : Tweet Tweet.
Posted by: Fíréan | Jul 18 2024 9:51 utc | 291
@ Fíréan | Jul 18 2024 9:51 utc | 291
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Are you in Ireland?
Why are they rioting in Belfast?
The riots are reported. The cause? Not so much.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 18 2024 9:56 utc | 292
Wile E Coyote once again failed in another of his complex attempts to capture the elusive Road Runner : Tweet Tweet.
Posted by: Fíréan | Jul 18 2024 9:51 utc | 291
Nah. Its beep beep. I used to like watching those cartoons as a kid. Now its not politically correct. Too much violence.
Now kids cartoons have the obligatory mandated allotment of homosexual and lesbian and all things that are correct according to the ideology of the day.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 9:58 utc | 293
Chinese Americans, better run for cover
pronto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaVpcwuxN88
Be back.
Posted by: denk | Jul 18 2024 10:06 utc | 294
Question for the bar: if Trump has been killed, who might have received the Republican nomination instead? Would Vance have been a realistic contender or do others stand out?
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 18 2024 10:17 utc | 295
if Trump has been killed
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 18 2024 10:17 utc | 295
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If you want to entertain hypotheticals I purpose if Trump were assassinated there would be no election.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 18 2024 10:28 utc | 296
@290 at the end he quotes a study
“If this study is accurate, most people may simply be meat robots, lacking thoughts inside their heads, and they react to stimuli as they experience it.”
The things people study never ceases to amaze me. That so few have these kinds of inner experiences and dialogues is a revelation in itself. I had no idea.
Posted by: Pluto2 | Jul 18 2024 10:34 utc | 297
Menz @ 278:
That photo in the post you linked to is apparently an old one going back to March 2024. It shows XI wincing after drinking from a cup. In the meantime there have been no credible reports of Xi suffering from a stroke. For the time being, treat such reports the same as you would reports about Vladimir Putin suffering from cancer / leukaemia / Parkinson’s disease / any other terminal condition.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 18 2024 10:36 utc | 298
anon2020 @ 295
Question for the bar: if Trump has been killed, who might have received the Republican nomination instead?
A good question, but in Clown World impossible to answer. Anything is possible in Clown World – it’s why it’s so hard to leave.
Really, I don’t think it could have been Vance, to much, too soon, they would have risked their investment and two decades of grooming, maybe a year ago with time to grow the brand, but not out of the blue with four months left. The GOP got lucky, DNC is just plain cursed and what they get from communing with Satan, don’t they watch B-movies?
too scents @ 296
No matter how obsolete or pointless, no matter how all encompassing the super state, there will always be elections in America, that’s the magic, they will never destroy the magic.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 18 2024 10:39 utc | 299
Menz @ 278:
That photo in the post you linked to is apparently an old one going back to March 2024. It shows XI wincing after drinking from a cup. In the meantime there have been no credible reports of Xi suffering from a stroke. For the time being, treat such reports the same as you would reports about Vladimir Putin suffering from cancer / leukaemia / Parkinson’s disease / any other terminal condition.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 18 2024 10:36 utc | 298
Thanks, was about to say the same.
Anyway, the plenum ends today and will probably set things right.
Yesterday I was about to ask if anyone had anything interesting about the Chinese plenum (so far apart from some speculation about what SHOULD come out, and some stock rise in market cap I have seen nothing , and it is an important issue)
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 18 2024 10:41 utc | 300