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July 17, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-170

News & views (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) …

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“You might think that this news item would gain traction on this erudite forum. But you would be wrong.”
Posted by: too scents | Jul 17 2024 18:00 utc | 19
Well… I don’t mean you argumentative but by the end of that sentence you would be right. Weird eh?
Why a person must grow accustomed to irony and contradictions to remain calm here.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 17 2024 21:48 utc | 101

Posted by: Lysias | Jul 17 2024 21:30 utc | 84
There is at least one photo where he is wearing a kipa.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 17 2024 21:50 utc | 102

OK Guys an Gals
I’ve had an earful of the shot in the ear …. etc.
Let’s get back to the World Stage … I just posted this at karlof1 subtrack –
# Link to Lavrov speech at UN – broader – and, imho, very important.
Lavrov’s Bold Speech at the UN Causes Shockwaves Globally!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C60vswMHd64 [20 mins well worth the time.]
# JD Vance – future POTUS 2028-2036 !! speech in one hour.
# Tomorrow poor VDL day of reckoning ….

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 17 2024 21:51 utc | 103

Carryover:
J.D. Vance is straight from the Swamp, except for the Trumpery that insists only elected politicians and civil servants regulating business and making rich people pay lawyers to avoid taxes without getting caught for tax evasion. The Swamp, if the term actually means anything, is Wall Street, the banks, the hedge funds, the policy institutes rich people pay for (like Heritage Foundation) and the Pentagon and MSM owned by rich people (whose customers are other rich people buying audiences, aka ads.) Politicians are not part of the Swamp because they use their offices to torment the rich with their mandates from the filthy masses, they are part of the Swamp because they are bought, especially in the primary process with the Duopoly’s built-in legal privileges. But, this is basically repeating myself: Vance is a Swamp creature. And his blatant subservience to Trump is an expression of how the Swamp has overall decided it prefers Trump. Trump is the ruling class candidate. (Yes, not every rich person, the ruling class is just as factional as any other class.) It is Trump who is the ruling class favorite (that’s why he’s pulling ahead in funding while Biden is losing his.) The ruling class media, both factions conservative and “liberal” turned against Biden after Afghanistan. Deranged Trumpers of course will not admit this, even while pretending Trump was an anti-imperialist win/win peacemonger who didn’t start any wars…except a hybrid war against Iran and hypercharging economic and political warfare against China.
The only true question is, what does it mean that Trump openly selected a Swamp Creature? The most probable meaning is that Trump, a Swamp Monster himself, recognizes one of his kind who is totally subservient to him, at least publicly. I think the last time a president picked a VP who was significantly different from himself with any claims to actual independent achievement was Lyndon Johnson. The last time any party convention had any “choice” in selecting the VP was Stevenson in 1956 by the way. The probability that Trump was trying to play some sort of deep political game by neutralizing an opponent is manifestly absurd, as Vance is not an opponent, but a toady. Another very low probability “explanation” is that Trump is reinforcing a commitment to ending support for Ukraine. Sorry, we had four years of Trump presidency to show that Trump will or cannot function as a leader competent enough to use the extensive powers of the presidency to change the administration. His effectiveness in stacking the judiciary with hacks is due to basically delegating the work to the Federalist Society. Swamp organizations like the Federalist Society or American Legislative Exchange Council and others provide what organizational coherence the conservative movement has nationally. That’s why Project 2025 is likely to play an outsize role, by the way, despite Trump’s recent denials. (Heritage fundraisers as I understand like to boast Reagan enacted about 80% of their recommendations.)
The last straw deranged Trump worshippers clutch at is the pretense that leaving Zelensky et al. to dies is going to end the war against Russia, if that even happens, which is more or less a coin toss. I say, losing on the battlefield in Ukraine will have far more to do with the course of events than Trump’s nonexistent patriotism. No, Trump will not allow the EU to resume buying energy from Russia, will not demand EU nations cut their social spending and buy weapons from the US, will not end sanctions on Russia, will not accede to de-dollarization, will not cooperate with BRICS+ and SCO and BRI and Eurasian Economic Union on a basis of equality. He doesn’t even pretend to. Plus, his flunky Johnson has already signed onto funding Ukraine, with Trump’s approval. Instead Trump touts ludicrous tripe about tariffs replacing income taxes! The mass of people are not overtaxed, they’re underpaid! Trump has no problem with rich people underpaying workers.
The deranged Trump worshippers will of course pretend this means endorsing Biden, and indignantly affirm their commitment to the ruling class favorite Trump. I recommend strenuous efforts to vote for somebody else, even if it means mastering the arcane regulations for writing in your own choice. My preference at the moment is Claudia de la Cruz.
Oh, forgot the Trump the Chaos Agent of Accelerationism theory, aka threadbare excuse. The people committed to Biden has been a vegetable for years theory—required for true deranged Trump supporting apparently—shoot themselves in the head: If that were true, it’s Biden who is likely to wreck the government. And it’s the stable genius Trump who will Make America Great Again—which is to say if you’re being honest, the #1 imperialist power. Why the demigod Trump didn’t already do this when he was president is a mystery except for deranged Trump supporters. If only they could talk coherently about how anyone who wasn’t committed to American imperialism would appoint someone like, say, John Bolton, in the first place…
Thinking everything is faked is a typical MoA commentariat trait. There’s no honest reason for thinking that habit will go away just because it’s Trump’s martyrdom. This is compounded by deranged Trumper notions of the motive, like Trump is definitely going to end the Ukraine war…just like he”ended” Afghan war, in the next president’s term when he doesn’t have to deliver or take the heat for it. Deranged Trump worshippers should remember Nixon had a plan to end the Vietnam war too. That said, the illusionist theory strikes me as typical of the worst of MoA kayfabe scenarios.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 17 2024 21:53 utc | 104

as it is 2024 baby

Posted by: Macpott | Jul 17 2024 21:54 utc | 105

“Read it!”
Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Jul 17 2024 18:00 utc | 20
I read his post the other day on it. When I look at what he emphasized it’s very diplomatic language.
But I certainly have to agree about the subtext. He’s calling the US a bunch of gangsters.
Let’s all just call things what they are.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 17 2024 21:55 utc | 106

On the other hand, we could get original at MoA commentariat for once.
Revelation 13:3 “And I saw one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast…”
Is this divine proof Trump is the Beast? Discuss.
(I can’t really, not being a believer in taking Revelation seriously as prophecy.)

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 17 2024 21:56 utc | 107

with less then 4 months to go for the nov 5th usa election – all these open moa threads are going to get swamped with this ongoing madness… you have freaks on one side and freaks on the other side – both sides incapable of seeing how polarized they are… it is like a friggin’ sports match… guys typically love that kind of shit.. i find it really boring myself, but i suspect it will continue on indefinitely here at moa with moa reflecting a similar miasma that is found in the culture and cultures it seeps out of…

Posted by: james | Jul 17 2024 22:01 utc | 108

anon2020 @ 81

even if he could win against Trump, how decrepit would he be by the end of another term in office.

They’d never keep him around that long, the poopy diaper smell would be too much. If he wins it doesn’t matter, they can oust him the next day, or next few months for the sake of propriety, but the praetorians stay in charge. Maybe they gambled that they could hide the decline till election day but lost the bet. It could have been a fair bet, Reagan in the second term was worse off than Biden, completely non compos mentis, I think they had to feed him with a bib and spoon but they managed to get him through the election much like the Pantomime Princess Margaret in the Monthy Python sketches. It could have worked for the democrats too except for the internecine battle that fucked it up. Given expectations I thought Biden was passable in the debate, I noticed no disaster beyond the usual American dystopia, a PR campaign playing him up as success would have worked fine, no brouhaha, but instead the knives came out from behind the curtains and he was hit with an orchestrated attack from his own party, something the Reagan 2 managers didn’t have to worry about. Again, just tossing that out there.
Naive @ 85

Corrected

Thanks, he did indeed make it, unless that was a double getting up from the stage floor, uh-oh, +1000 posts here we go…

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 17 2024 22:04 utc | 109

James @ 108
Good point James so in your opinion should we…
“Wait and see”
Or is it.
“All to late”

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 17 2024 22:15 utc | 110

POTUS has Covid.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 17 2024 22:17 utc | 111

@Peter AU1 | Jul 17 2024 21:39 utc | 93:

Events on the itinerary for the coming 12 months. First up is the last charge of the Euro brigade. After that the infighting in Europe begins.
Trump crowned emperor January 2024 and the bandwagon moves to the Asia Pacific theater along with increased bullshittery and wars towards Iran, Palestine genocide ect.

I respectfully disagree. All talks of stopping China (Taiwan, SCS, mid-range mi9ssiles in Philippine, etc.) are just cost-free bluffs (or so they think to be cost free. They’ll pay a cost, take my words for it!). The best the war hawks of the Empire hope for is the gullibility of Taiwanese/Vietnamese/Philippinos, et al) of falling for the narrative, under the lingering impression that the Empire is still numero uno and would deliver bloody noses on China in ultimately coming to their aid, and make the kind of fatal errors the Ukies are now suffering from. The Empire itself has enough brain to keep score on where things stand. The farthest thing on their mind is to fight China in East/Southeast Asia. They know that today, unlike as late as 15 years ago, that they stand NO CHANCE of even delivering enough damages on China to make their casualties worthwhile, let alone delivering bloody noses.
They are aware of the certainty of being kicked out of Asia COMPLETELY if China confrontation comes to blows. As such, they would pull in their vassal when they see things getting to blows. Meanwhile, pumping chest like Tarzan do win votes and keep their politicians in offices at home, and this kind of meaningless PR will continue for a while until China says enough is enough. That won’t be too far into the future–like within 5 years. It will happen as China finds excuses to strangle Taiwan/Philippine economically and taunt the Empire to put their words into actions. That’s when the paper tiger whimpers away, tails between the legs.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 17 2024 22:20 utc | 112

james @ 108
Just wait till they replace Biden, or he croaks a week before the election, posts might hit >2000.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 17 2024 22:22 utc | 113

Has no one seen the Judge Napolitano interview where he takes time off from his vacation in Italy to interview Ray McGovern?
(Post 34) dysfunctional late capitalism in every aspect of US society.
FBI thrashing about to keep recent history under wraps also inept.
Trump incapable of hiring ‘good help’ because totally subjective.
Also will likely prove too cowardly anyway to expose FBI efforts to destroy himself.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 17 2024 22:25 utc | 114

Mark2 @ 110

“Wait and see”

I’m still waiting for the results of the Kennedy assassination, any updates?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 17 2024 22:26 utc | 115

LightYearsFromHome @ 115
Yup,
It was’nt a fake flesh wound,
He did’nt gain,
Oh and he died,
We think.
Cheers

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 17 2024 22:32 utc | 116

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 17 2024 22:26 utc | 115
LBJ was the mastermind behind the conspiracy with the help of the FBI, the CIA, the Mossad, the MIC, the oil-men, the mafia. Do I forget anyone?

Posted by: Naive | Jul 17 2024 22:33 utc | 117

My reference to Post 34 wrong. It was a reference to Post 38.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 17 2024 22:34 utc | 118

Lavieja 118. Wrong thread.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 17 2024 22:37 utc | 119

Still don’t know the name or nationality of the captain of ship Dali, must have missed it. At least I know that the person who someone said was captain wasn’t proven to be, so the actual captain wasn’t his nationality because of maybe being a different person.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 17 2024 22:38 utc | 120

Posted by: james | Jul 17 2024 22:01 utc | 108
I think you’re right. Its going to be a boring few months of incessant commentary on the USA presidential election. As if it matters who wins.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 17 2024 22:40 utc | 121

Don Firineach @ 111

POTUS has Covid.

Beats getting a part of your ear shot off!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 17 2024 22:40 utc | 122

Lavieja 119. Not wrong thread. Sorry for this microcosmic clown show.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 17 2024 22:41 utc | 123

Biden did a good job of crashing the semiconductor stocks today with his threat to tighten controls on sales to China, which will only result in lower sales for US and other Western chip makers and China working even harder to overcome the Western technology lead. Let’s see if that is actually the top for the AI bubble, or just another correction before the vertical blow-off.
Another area where the Biden tariffs will simply leave the US worse off and the Chinese further and further ahead is with the EV tariffs (backed up by the stupid Europeans and perhaps soon the US Corgi, Canada). I wrote a piece about this The Chinese EV Wave Will Not Be Stopped.
The US leadership are working to turn the US into the technology equivalent of East Germany with their self-harming tariffs, even being against Chinese manufacturers setting up plants in the US, and the 10,000s of Chinese academics deciding to go back to China rather than deal with the deteriorating US university sector, Security State harassment, and anti-China racism.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 17 2024 22:49 utc | 124

Future headline “President Biden has been greatly affected by complications from his COVID infection and therefore is stepping down as President and removing himself from the 2024 race, Kamala Harris has been sworn in as President and Gavin Newsom as Vice President. The Democratic Convention will pick the new presidential candidate in August.”

Posted by: Roger | Jul 17 2024 22:54 utc | 125

isitpossible | Jul 17 2024 17:34 utc | 12
*** Is it possible that there really was an Iranian assasination plot that the US government was aware of and the DHS Secretary deliberately made sure Trump’s security detail was underresourced? Maybe the DHS Secretary was hoping Iran would succeed and actively helping out?***
Slightly less probable than the simultaneous events of HRC spilling the beans on the Bidens, Mike Pompeo becoming a Playboy bunny, and Tony Blair confessing that he’s a war-criminal.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 17 2024 22:56 utc | 126

anon2020 @ 25:
From the tweet:

Both parents are registered Democrats.
🔸Father’s Occupation:
Matthew B Crooks is a psychologist. He has authored many academic books.
🔸Mother’s Occupation:
Elena Crooks is currently a homemaker. She previously taught in a primary school.
🔸Family Income:
The family’s annual income is reported to be $310,000

Are we sure about the father’s books? If so he is selling quite a few of them to raise the family’s income to $310K from $130K. The mother is a homemaker so her ‘salary’ is $0. Unless she has an Onlyfans.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 17 2024 22:57 utc | 127

Roger | Jul 17 2024 22:54 utc | 125
Now that Trump is the anointed one, it will be interesting to see how the powers that be work the Biden Dem narrative side of things to try and keeps some semblance of democracy fig leaf in place.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 17 2024 23:01 utc | 128

Meh, this digging into the shooter’s background is boring and unproductive, but on the basis of the previous posts, I did a quick search.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/17/us-news/thomas-matthew-crooks-father-profiled-by-donald-trump-campaign/
Highly unlikely BOTH parents are registered Democrats if they’ve got Trump/MAGA yard signs.

The father of would-be Donald Trump assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks was reportedly profiled by the former president’s 2016 campaign — as one neighbor claims the family had MAGA decor in their yard until recently.
Matthew Brian Crooks, 53, who legally purchased the AR-15 rifle used in his son’s attack in Butler, Pa., over the weekend, was identified by the Trump campaign as a crucial swing-state voter who was likely to respond favorably to pro-gun messaging, according to data obtained by the UK’s Channel 4 News.
The campaign’s private database analyzed 6.7 million people in the Keystone State — about half of the state’s population — to determine which voters could be targeted with messages about gun rights ahead of the 2016 election.
Crooks’ father, a registered Libertarian, was identified in the database as a strong Republican, likely a gun owner and “hunter.”
He was among the top 20 highest-scoring people in their hometown of Bethel Park, which has a population of 19,000, according to the report.
The gunman’s mother, a registered Democrat, was also flagged by the Trump campaign as a likely gun owner who would be receptive to pro-gun messaging.
[…]
The family’s Bethel Park home had pro-Trump and MAGA decor, including yard signs, in the front yard until recently, one of the family’s neighbors told WPXI.
“There absolutely was MAGA-supporting things for a while,” said neighbor Kelly Little, who was evacuated from her home for 24 hours as authorities removed a device from the Crooks family home.

https://www.wpxi.com/video/bethel-park-neighbors-still-shock-investigators-search-home-suspected-trump-rally-shooter/c1d158c5-6c60-45ec-902e-fc7c95e2870e/
I doubt his father was making $310K/year. That was probably just a person with the same name.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 17 2024 23:03 utc | 129

Well the internet cleanup is well underway.
The day the Trump shooter was named truepeoplesearch.com had the address , names of people living in the house. Today no record found. Same with Google.

Posted by: morongobill | Jul 17 2024 23:05 utc | 130

too scents | Jul 17 2024 18:00 utc | 19
*** Ursula von der Leyen’s bid for a second term as European Commission chief has been dealt a major blow
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 17 2024 17:14 utc | 5

You might think that this news item would gain traction on this erudite forum. But you would be wrong.
Hillbillies, hootenannies, joos and fabulous conspiracies are what most needs talking about.***
Given that everyone is well aware of how evil , corrupt and megalomanic the presently reigning queen of the EU is, and that the alternative chosen by the faceless arseholes in Brussels (with “advice” from NATO) would almost certainly be just as rotten ….
At this point, what more could be said?

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 17 2024 23:05 utc | 131

I would encourage those barflies that want to not see anything about the Trump shooter, go to Reuters and your wish will be fulfilled.
Reuters will tell you that Biden has tested positive for Covid (is that still around?) and so the seeds are being sown to foam the runway for Biden’s departure…..more to come.
I am the guy that said the shit show, that I continue to call it, would “be over” by early August and that is fast approaching. Is everyone entertained by the happenings in the past 6 months? I keep reading all these things tied to the US (s)elections and I still posit that Ukraine will go down before November and Occupied Palestine will/has to stop the genocide at some point….sigh…….hopefully soon as well.
The price of gold is setting new highs and showing signs of being part of the civilization war with the wild swings….I still don’t have a ChatGPT estimate of what it cost to short gold enough to drive price down by $10/oz for example….anyway, my speculation is that naked short selling by the US government is being used to drive the gold price down and that naked debt is being added to the backs of all us Americans in this war over public/private finance.
What sort of events will the next couple of weeks brings us humans?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 17 2024 23:06 utc | 132

Oriental Voice | Jul 17 2024 22:20 utc | 112
Thanks for that take. Entirely feasible. Will be interesting to see what eventuates.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 17 2024 23:08 utc | 133

Posted by: Roger | Jul 17 2024 22:49 utc | 124
The US leadership are working to turn the US into the technology equivalent of East Germany with their self-harming tariffs, even being against Chinese manufacturers setting up plants in the US, and the 10,000s of Chinese academics deciding to go back to China rather than deal with the deteriorating US university sector, Security State harassment, and anti-China racism.

Am nowhere near your knowledge level of such matters but read a while back that part of the Globalist Reset requires initial bifurcation of West vs ROW because the upcoming systemic changes will be handled differently. After the world is ready, then it will become one great unified whole again. Don’t know if this is one of the reasons but for example getting the West fully digitized and surveillanced etc. is going to be different in so-called liberal democracies with extensive rights to privacy etc. than it is in more traditional-authoritarian strong states like nearly all in Asia and around Russia. But once everything is up and running, however long that takes, it will all be unified at some point because essentially it will all be the same technologically driven socio-political matrix.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 17 2024 23:10 utc | 134

james @ 29

Kimberly Cheatle, the head of the US Secret Service, has cited safety concerns as the reason why her agents were not deployed on the roof

Safety concerns? They are paid to take a bullet for whoever they are protecting.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 17 2024 23:13 utc | 135

I’m still waiting for the results of the Kennedy assassination, any updates?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 17 2024 22:26 utc | 115
I saw a comment at Naked Capitalism earlier that made me laugh so hard I copied it. Didn’t get the username, but here it is.

The Japanese copy of a supposedly undoctored Zapurder film was briefly broadcast on TV at least 20 years ago. How plausible it is that an authentic copy of the Z film was even in existence is highly questionable, but it was immediately shut down. I happened to see it because back then I turned on the news while I cooked dinner and I was dumbfounded that it existed and it was believable. It showed JFK’s limo as it slowed and briefly stopped and the driver, William Greer, SS agent, turned completely around to face the backseat, raised a large handgun and blew off JFK’s head, whereupon Jackie’s jaw dropped, she looked at Greer, then she immediately tried to crawl out of the car, and etc. Apparently the 6 or so SS sharpshooters stationed around Dealy Plaza all missed their mark completely.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 17 2024 23:16 utc | 136

Frankly I don’t get any of the fuss about a bullet taking a tiny chunk outta trump’s ear.
I mean to say anyone with half a brain understands that these prez beauty contests have zero effect on what amerika does domestically or internally. The only function they perform is that of the patsy, the one person that all of amerika and to a less extent people of the world can focus upon to unload their disgust at the state of their existence
Absolute proof of this is shown by the fact that the ‘movers & shakers” aka the ‘deep state’ are at this stage anyway completely unable to swap out biden as the dims nominee. (although there is one failsafe method which may have been temporarily stymied).
The types capable of making an instant decision based on any trivial or inapt motive from imagining it will improve the numbers on some competition with another mover & shaker to anger at a mosquito which bit ’em on the arse the night before, can determine whether a few thousand families of workers starve or enjoy a secure existence, in the blink of an eye. Whether a nation prospers or plummets into violence & gangsterism.
Yet they cannot get some self-important 82 year old former dedicated skivvy of their most asinine impulses to quit. Why not? Because it doesn’t really matter. If the prez gig really did come with all the power the drongos out there who still believe imagine, access to that gig would be controlled by the movers & shakers, but it doesn’t matter in any way other than as yet another example of bragging rights among the elites, a way of showing whether one is really in total control.
That is why I reckon there is a good chance that genocide Joe is gonna fall off his twig, probably on live TV between now and August 22. It will be due to ‘natural causes’ of course. I had thought that was a dead certainty this week following his rejections of an easy path out but the donald’s ear will dominate thinking this week, so another auspicious time will have to be found.
That is the only way that dims could win back momentum from rethugs, the only issue being if the dims have the balls to do it, there is an even money chance they do not.
Whatever it really doesn’t matter long term, the ukraine civil war will keep meandering along until there aren’t any ukrainians remaining sufficient to resist larry fink & co’s takeover of its rump, the genocide in Occupied Palestine will accelerate as the leaders of west asia installed by aforesaid elite remain totally divorced from the views of their populations and the empire’s ship will shift from foundering to sinking, just as it would had a dim been elected prez.
Domestically little will happen either as has been demonstrated regularly throughout human existence, once humanity begins a shift into an already occupied area with the people ‘outside’ outnumbering those within, resistance is futile, the sheer pressure of numbers means that building walls is like trying to barricade an ant route, people will flow around, over and under any obstruction until they succeed in taking over.
They may even cry “manifest destiny” as they do it.
There is only one way to avoid this, that is to prevent the build up of pressure in the first place. The communities these people come from in central america, south america, west asia and east europe would have to be made as attractive as amerika in people’s imaginations.
This will not happen, amerikans who are as shortsighted en masse as any other large conglomeration of humans would go crazy if the funds currently being spent on making those regions of the planet inhospitable were instead diverted to developing the regions rather than destroying them, much less fixing up their own joints.
amerikans want that money spent on their nation fixing their broken systems, their feelings of hopelessness.
Of course doing that sounds attractive to amerikans but it will only increase the lure of the dispossessed ‘outside’ those communities which have been destroyed & depleted for elite gain for so long, making it seem far more attractive to be ‘inside’ amerika than outside, ramping up pressure significantly.
For those of us who can perceive that all the so called profits amerika’s elite has accumulated were only generated by the destruction and dispossession of those outside regions, we won’t care too much at the massive injustice this is because inevitably most of us will have a dog in the fight as well.
The problem is insolvable by amerikans, elite or no.
Hence my contention that all this fear & fury about trump’s ear is a huge waste of time & energy.
That doesn’t stop the usual arseholes from indulging in the time honoured amerikan practice of trying to make a buck outta it.
Think of last sunday when even the most xtian of the you tube, tiktok ‘influencers’ er sorry ‘independent media’, were out first thing on their sabbath breaking the rules they berate anyone else for ignoring, hawking their forks. Desperate to beat any other YTer to the commercial revenue, they expressed all sorts of weird conspiracies, new insights and opinions on a very prosaic amerikan occurrence; a young amerikan frustrated at his non-future, yet still clinging to some commonplace delusion, decided to commit suicide by cop in the most public manner imaginable.
In any other situation most would adopt the usual reaction to any young person’s scream of frustration with “nothing to see here, don’t even worry about it, move right along”.
People didn’t do that simply because once the corporate media which all claim to abhor, beat this mundane circumstance into shock, quelle horreur etc, as per usual, the independent media hucksters followed right along riding while attempting to feed off the entire sad but predictable happenstance.
I have no doubt that mass pressure is still too high for many to reflect on the entire kayfabe carry-on.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 17 2024 23:18 utc | 137

Scorpion | Jul 17 2024 23:10 utc | 134
If you are outside five-eyes, for any country outside five eyes, you they will merge into the multy-polar world where evey country is different, normal trades human interaction ect same as throughout history.
My greatest fear is that five-eyes will circle the wagons and become a brainwashed hermit kingdom that anyone trying to escape to the free world will be shot.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 17 2024 23:18 utc | 138

The price of gold is setting new highs
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 17 2024 23:06 utc | 132
Gold flowing from west to east. Price of gold says it all about western economies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 17 2024 23:23 utc | 139

104 Could choice of Vance actually be a smart move on part of Trump because coming from Appalachia Vance appears to come from the mythical “people.” What an distortion of the labor history of Appalachia where in 1921, the Battle of Blair Mountain largest labor uprising in US history took place. 10000 miners fought mine guards and national guard.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 17 2024 23:23 utc | 140

Roger@124, in the process of blaming Biden for hurting the stock market for techs and losing EV superiority for the US, wrote “The US leadership are working to turn the US into the technology equivalent of East Germany with their self-harming tariffs…” As it is, it sounds like it blames the leaders of East Germany for poisoning their local economy by eschewing the benefits of free trade. Aside from seeming to favor neoliberal imperialism’s commitment to free movement of goods, labor and capital when that is profitable, it seems to tacitly assume there was no effort by imperialist powers to restrict investment, trade, technology transfers. Even more shocking, it seems to omit that it was the Germany that actually paid very large reparations to the Soviet Union, reparations large enough to cause serious hardship. The contrast with the western part of Germany, which was one of the beneficiaries of the infamous Marshall Plan, would be shocking, if that was meant. But I can’t seen how I have misread it, a clarification please?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 17 2024 23:27 utc | 141

@ Mark2 | Jul 17 2024 22:15 utc | 110
people and moa posters will continue to do what they do.. good response to your question @ 113 from LightYearsFromHome
@ LightYearsFromHome | Jul 17 2024 22:22 utc | 113
yes, there is that too.. how about my astro prediction for zelensky with a dangerous time right into the november 5th date? if he gets knocked off, even that wouldn’t upset the usa election fru ha…
@ Siddhartha | Jul 17 2024 22:40 utc | 121
thanks.. yes – we have to put up with this for another 4 or more months unfortunately..
@ LightYearsFromHome | Jul 17 2024 23:13 utc | 135
DEI rules trump everything now.. doesn’t matter what the job description is… just make sure the proper number of women, indigenous, people of colour and etc. etc. – get hired… the ability to do the job is much further down the list of priorities..

Posted by: james | Jul 17 2024 23:34 utc | 142

“I am probably the only person at this bar who has ever been a roofer. That roof is painted white ferchrissake. Entirely possible in full sun on a hot day a surface thermometer could hit the temp you suggest. But I doubt it. The air at boot top height will be just fine for getting work done. My crew used to hang the thermometer at waist height and call it quits when it was 140F. Helps to be young.”
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 17 2024 21:42 utc | 96
You are right. I’ve never been a roofer but my house has a metal roof. Also consider that there was some wind that day, which goes a long way to mitigating roof heat.
The other thing to observe is that the SS sniper who is said to have shot the wannabe assasin was himself perched on a sloping metal roof. And in both cases, the SLOPE ANGLES of the roofs were so low as to not be particularly dangerous. Looks like less than 15° slopes to me.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 17 2024 23:43 utc | 143

White racist Peter Navarro, just out of jail, on stage now at RNC trying to kickstart the neu-US Civil War – back to the 1930s here.
This is torture – and so sad.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 17 2024 23:49 utc | 144

psychohistorian@132, after noting the report Biden is testing positive for Covid asks parenthetically “(is that still around?)”
This is madness. The ruling class decided long ago Trump had it right and the correct plan was to just let the masses die (there are too many eaters for them apparently,) and the correct concern forn Covid is use as an anti-China black propaganda tool. The effects of Long Covid are still entirely uncertain, so this Trumpery is yet another proof the Biden administration has no more concern for the working people of this country than the tin God Trump. Being so gullible as to swallow the propaganda—suppression of news, as in refusing to collect and publicize vital health data is perhaps the most insidiously vile form?—well, it’s not a good look.*
For others, yes, Long Covid + some type of Parkinson’s (speaking loosely of a group of neurological movement disorders) + age does raise questions about Biden’s long term ability to serve, just as any sickness would. Why the demonic powers of the DNC or whatever devil you invent didn’t easily dispose of this guy last July, making him announce his one term presidency, will forever remained “unanswered.” The likely explanation, he was too competent for them to do so, is doubly unacceptable. It both denies the sacred precept that the conspiracy that supposedly runs the world, doesn’t. And it denies the word from God that Biden has been a vegetable for years. The truly faithful will deny their lying eyes before denying the catechism.
*Most of the anti-vaxxers are cranks with to my eyes transparent political motives. The most obvious fact of mRNA vaccines, the creation of a number of new billionaires (relying on a lot of government funded research, including from the PRC no less!) is ignored, in favor of truly weird propositions like, a plan to crush the workers? The fact the pandemic cost most of the rich a lot of money is somehow ignored. But maybe someone will sigh and rise to the challenge of “explaining’ how it advanced the transgender ideology to destroy civilization, for fun?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 17 2024 23:50 utc | 145

Mark2.
A few thoughts. You have always come from the right place. An anger at injustices. I watched as you were attacked purely because of typos. Gaza is one of the greatest injustices we have seen.
To look at this world – we are at a turning point in history, a changing of an era where power’s moving from the west to the east. Many things our so called betters are behind is difficult to watch. In five eyes we live within the belly of the beast.
But that being attacked for your typos, it is no good to lash out at all and sundry.
To see this through, the nastiness of a dying empire and all that it brings, you will need a hide of leather while retaining the empathy for fellow humans within.
Don’t let emotions get the better of you.
Keep on keeping on.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 17 2024 23:54 utc | 146

James @ 142
Good point yet again james,
Dammed inconsiderate of trump, what.
If he’d only died in that assination attempt, we’d of been saved all the comments saying it was fake.
And the trump supporters and jewsh lobby groups could just get on with their planned cival war.
Cheers

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 0:00 utc | 147

Posted by: james | Jul 17 2024 22:01 utc | 108
“I think you’re right. Its going to be a boring few months of incessant commentary on the USA presidential election. As if it matters who wins.”
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 17 2024 22:40 utc | 121
It’s definitely “boring” for some, but obviously this one event has made the emotional interest in the upcoming USA election soar to unprecedented heights, even here on MoA. Already almost 200 posts on this brand-new “Open Thread” today, with the other thread a record of almost 1200 posts. Apparently it is not boring. Boring topics get only a few posts.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 0:00 utc | 148

What an distortion of the labor history of Appalachia where in 1921, the Battle of Blair Mountain largest labor uprising in US history took place. 10000 miners fought mine guards and national guard.
Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 17 2024 23:23 utc | 140
Thank you very much for mentioning this!
Hopefully some will be interested and follow the story.
The miners lived in company towns with company stores and company money, in accurate terms they were slaves.
When they rebelled they were fought with machine guns and aerial bombs.
It makes me ill today when people toss around the word “redneck.” They have no idea that a redneck was a slave rebelling against federally and state supported private corporations that were rapacious.
I raise my glass to the true Rednecks!

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 18 2024 0:02 utc | 149

oldhippie | Jul 17 2024 21:42 utc | 96
I’ve built a couple of sheds as has my son. The bullshit was immediately apparent.
A bit of a roofing story from the last one. That was after I got crook and the mate I was working for wanted a toy shop built onto the back of his existing shed.
We were putting the roof sheeting on, forgotten the angle but had walk on it with socks rather than boots. He would lineup the sheets from the top and I would line it up from the side, the he would clamp it to the last sheet to prevent it from sliding. I would then step onto it and get a couple of screws in.
One sheet, I had stepped onto, he decided to readajust the clamp and away I went. As I watched the edge of the roof go by, I thought “Fuck, this is gonna hurt”. But the sheet slid into a bank with tail end still propped by the roof and I slid down onto the ground like a kid going down a slide.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 0:15 utc | 150

Yes, there were a lot of comments on the earlier Open thread but also it was kept up for longer than usual because b is in recovering mode. That and it is not everyday you get an almost-assassination.
Continuing:
https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/1813697562609623396

BREAKING🚨🚨
A company called Austin Private Wealth LLC shorted 12,000,000 shares of $DJT via a put option. The filing date is July 12th, the day before the assassination attempt.
They have around $1 Billion in assets under management and this is by far the largest put placed. According to a source the trade represents 6% of total shares and over 16%! of the float of the stock given the fact that Trump owns 60% of the company.
This is a giant bet when you consider their total AUM but wait there’s more…
http://fintel.io/sosh/us/djt

That’s a Big Boy bet. Wonder if they knew something others didn’t?
At the R convention, there is a video playing of the Donald doing his dance moves. Love him or hate him he’s the most fun politician in decades. Peter Navarro just got out of jail and made a speech. Pretty cool moment. Explained the consequences of what happens when the Bad Guys control all three branches: first he got hit by the legislative (J6 ‘Sham’ Committee); then the Executive; then the Judiciary. It’s going to be a good argument for working hard to get both House and Senate, though Dems are for sure going to be cheating like hell to make sure that doesn’t happen.
And
So
It
Goes.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 18 2024 0:18 utc | 151

You might think that this news item would gain traction on this erudite forum. But you would be wrong.
Hillbillies, hootenannies, joos and fabulous conspiracies are what most needs talking about.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 17 2024 18:00 utc | 19
____
Meh. It won’t get in the way of her being awarded another term.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 18 2024 0:20 utc | 152

Peter AU1 @ 146
Thanks for your thoughts there Peter, thats a pretty dam good summary from you,cheers.
But as far as emotions go, i’m rock solid.
I tend to ignore the long term grudge holders and the folk who you can see just wana argument. Not least for b’s sake.
But some times enough is enough we all get our momments pete, i’v got the balence.
The more they try and fail, to get a rise the more obssesonal they get about me.
They hate the truth, and try to smother it.
For me its important to defend the truth over deliberate deception from the trump supporters.
The dude trump is a bad role modle.
Like a cancer.
The biden vegtable is the deep states garantee that trump will win.
Dam izzy’s.
Respect
And good night.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 0:25 utc | 153

@: Scorpion | Jul 18 2024 0:18 utc | 151
Are you for real? Peter Navarro is one vile hu.[scrap that] being.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 18 2024 0:30 utc | 154

May be we need a neither
Ukraine nor Palestine nor Trump the martyr thread ! 😉
Posted by: denk | Jul 17 2024 17:07 utc | 4
Since the topic of suggesting more work for b to “improve” the MoA website has been opened, here are my humble recommendations for additions…
– Marxist Analysis thread
– Eastern Philosophy thread
– US Political Theater thread
– Open Thread (get rid of the word “neither”)
But that might produce too much silo effect.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 0:30 utc | 155

Martyanov has a soft spot for JD Vance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPMURkhqsh0 [30 mins]
# Good Morning, Good Afternoon, Good night!

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 18 2024 0:32 utc | 156

I surmise Crook googled the venue, saw the roof he could go to, and strolled right in there Goole maps cellfone in hand, slung rifle on the other arm using Pennsylvania’s open carry statutes as reasonable cover to pull a dipshit stunt. See how far he could get kindan thing… 15 minutes of fame maneuver. SS incompetence and general police idiocy in stellar alignment probably shocked the hell out of him as his progress was unimpeded. Grinnin’ like an idiot as he feels super-empowered by the gods blessing him is actually able to draw a bead on ol’ Trumpi and shoots!
140 yard shot with a sighted in AR .223, prone, from an elevated position is as easy as it gets. We know from he didn’t make the cut for the high school rifle team for being not just a lousy shot but dangerous to be around with a loaded firearm. Bottom line – Trump had the luckiest day of his life last Saturday.
Try as I might I just can’t put the mangled pieces into a credible conspiracy theory, and I can be as wingnut as anyone.

Posted by: comrade simba | Jul 18 2024 0:37 utc | 157

LightYearsFromHome @78: “I thought the last >1000 posts on the Trump assassination not unworthwhile, but another 1000 posts on the same would suck.”
Not enough people buying the TDS narrative that Trump staged his own assassination attempt, so the spam will continue.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 18 2024 0:45 utc | 158

Question Barflies:
How does a Trump regime respond to De-Delloarization ?

Posted by: Exile | Jul 18 2024 0:51 utc | 159

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 17 2024 23:18 utc | 138
Scorpion | Jul 17 2024 23:10 utc | 134
If you are outside five-eyes, for any country outside five eyes, you they will merge into the multy-polar world where evey country is different, normal trades human interaction ect same as throughout history.
My greatest fear is that five-eyes will circle the wagons and become a brainwashed hermit kingdom that anyone trying to escape to the free world will be shot.

Not sure, but I think the Globalist vision (no doubt there are factions, but) is generally collectivist and therefore kissing cousins with communism. So individual rights will be gradually retired, also perhaps private property. Could get nasty. I suspect 5+Eyes is going to be declining steadily to be closer to second world for most with a shrunken middle class whilst the RoW moves up until that is true for most of their citizenry too, though Latin America and Africa have much further to go than Asia.
So in the West, the elites will be dismantling Magna Carta and Common Law without saying so. To which end I suspect war will soon be declared to serve as cover.
Meanwhile Trump’s circle says they are going to end the Ukraine conflict in days; if true maybe they are charting a different course. Dugin (says he) believes that Trump is a true multipolarist; but of course there are probably different factions of multipolarists too, some all behind Brave New Word technicity, others into more traditional civilization state ethos like Dugin. Always layers within levels, turtles all the way down; so we’ll see. But looks like 5 Eyes is in for a century of decline – which started about 20 years ago – and the Heartland will be coming into its own for the foreseeable future.
If only the West could break free from the shackles of its Money Power. Let us pray…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 18 2024 0:52 utc | 160

“Martyanov has a soft spot for JD Vance”
Andrei is a little bit too much of a Trump-is-Savior guy sometimes. There are two TDS at play:
– Trump Derangement Syndrome (normie liberals who hate Trump no matter what he actually does)
– Trump Deification Syndrome; people who will defend Trump and his actions no matter what he actually does.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 0:52 utc | 161

Gruff
whats happened to your Jake Blanchard charactor as soon as i exposed him as yet another of your fake names he disapered.
You do b a great deservice.
You make fools of people who mistakenly respect you.
And your a stranger to truth, reality and intentegrety.
No respect.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 1:04 utc | 163

Not enough people buying the TDS narrative that Trump staged his own assassination attempt, so the spam will continue.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 18 2024 0:45 utc | 158
You are doing a lot of strawman stuff on this topic. Unworthy.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 1:05 utc | 164

Western peasant ‘society’….
In high school/secondary school, it was a change from upfront corporal punishment to punishment of the mind.
There were the mandatory classes and the optional classes. I chose woodwork and metal work as my optional classes.
I was always a bit of a rat and in primary school would get periodical wheeled up to the headmaster for six of the best.
In that period of change, the metalwqork teacher was realities young but still old school. Pragmatic.
Second day in that that class we had to show our homework from the first class. A mob of us hadn’t done it so he gives us the option of the straight edge or the corner. I thought the straight edge wouldn’t hurt much and wasn’t going to stand in the corner. Fuck, could he swing that straight edge. It brought tears to my eyes.
Next week the same group of us had not done their homework. I wasn’t going to stand in the corner but I sure as shit was not so dismissive of that straight edge. I would have to go through the fires of hell to chop up some metal.
He gave me a pass and I never had to do homework. The rest of hem stood in the corner for the rest of the year. They should have taken up cooking or sewing or something. At the time, I couldn’t believe how weak they were, but now the bulk of society seems to be the same.
Todays so called western world is definitely not my world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 1:08 utc | 165

“Meanwhile Trump’s circle says they are going to end the Ukraine conflict in days…”
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 18 2024 0:52 utc | 160
That would be great, but I haven’t seen any evidence of it. That kind of assertion needs to have some links to verifiable and recent statements.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 1:09 utc | 166

156 Don Firineach. Prediction: Vance is going to salvage the liberal Dems, bring them and Repub govt. together, so they can work on putting the ship in order on the home front shoring up the rulers and keeping the masses contained as they get poorer. Maybe a war on Iran will help them in this project?

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 18 2024 1:10 utc | 168

Wisco | Jul 18 2024 1:09 utc | 166
I susect from the Trump regime, we will see both Rocketman art of the deal type stuff and genuine killem destroyem warfare.
Some things will actually be good, other things particularly nasty and in your face.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 1:14 utc | 169

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 1:04 utc | 163
Jake Blanchard has been conspicuously absent from these Trump assassination threads. Maybe he is busy with real.life, or maybe as an Aussie he doesn’t feel that ot is appropriate to comment on US political theater, or maybe he is judiciously waiting for all the speculation to play out. Who knows. But I seriously doubt Jake Blanchard is William Gruff.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 1:17 utc | 170

Thanks for the new thread. Cheers and good health to you, brother!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 18 2024 1:18 utc | 171

ZH has a posting up that Trump shooter detail barflies may want to read…the title
Cops Radioed “Blanket Tactical Channel” About Shooter After Rooftop Confrontation, Yet Nothing Was Done
The quote

After Crooks was positioned on the roof, one cop boosted another cop up to the roofline – only for Crooks to point his weapon at him. At that point, the boosted cop fell.
Both of them radioed the threat on a “blanket tactical channel” before the shooting, on which “everyone who was on the tactical channel heard it” according to Butler Township manager, Tom Knights.

The shit show continues until it doesn’t

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 1:19 utc | 172

I susect from the Trump regime, we will see both Rocketman art of the deal type stuff and genuine killem destroyem warfare.
Some things will actually be good, other things particularly nasty and in your face.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 1:14 utc | 169
If the son of a bitch only ends US support for Ukronazis, it’s a huge improvement. If he renegs, then he deserves all the instability he’ll get.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 18 2024 1:20 utc | 173

Question Barflies:
How does a Trump regime respond to De-Delloarization ?
Posted by: Exile | Jul 18 2024 0:51 utc | 159

By de-industrialising Europe (there’re locked in and will not de-dollarise), imposing tariffs (to protect US trade and industry) and offering incentives to to make the dollar more appealing.

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jul 18 2024 1:20 utc | 174

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 1:09 utc | 166
“Meanwhile Trump’s circle says they are going to end the Ukraine conflict in days…”
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 18 2024 0:52 utc | 160
That would be great, but I haven’t seen any evidence of it. That kind of assertion needs to have some links to verifiable and recent statements.

Search for Orban in the last week or so. He just did a world wide tour and ended it by writing a letter to all European leaders saying Trump has a plan to end this which Russia and Ukraine could stomach. After which Europe is moving to have Orban ostracized even though he holds the rotating chair (Presidency?) of the European Council.
Is the plan spelled out in detail? No. Nor should it be. Has to be actual negotiations once Trump is elected and will have Executive powers of the Office of the Presidency. But what happened last week was the first time all the main parties agreed in principle to a way forward (though to be honest I don’t recall if Ukraine was on board exactly, but Ukraine is almost stateless, legally speaking, at this point. If RF and US can come to agreement, that is probably all it will take.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 18 2024 1:21 utc | 175

Ahenobarbus | Jul 18 2024 1:20 utc | 173
The Ukronazis are finished. If was just Trump yeah, similar to his laqst reign, but now, the powers that be in the US have dumped the the ukraine. Ukistan is now just a used condom, and empty shell case thrown in the gutter.
Euro faggots are in a bit of a tizzy so a bit more killing to go.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 1:25 utc | 176

comrade simba@157….truth be told, one would need to take that AR to a range to find out if it’s sighted in or not. I didn’t see the weapon, open sight? Most come with scopes and are factory sighted. Lots of variables on the weapon…..but man, what a lousy Security detail. They all should be held accountable. It was like the security detail had pause for thought, “oh shit, he missed, now we gotta shield this guy with our own bodies, ok guys, let’s go, like now, really, I mean it.”
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 18 2024 1:27 utc | 177

sean the leprechaun | Jul 18 2024 1:27 utc | 177
The crap coming from people, who it seems have never used firearms is quite incredible. Much of the shit I read here recently, I can only assume there is a lot of people whose moms locked them in the basement at age ten.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 1:33 utc | 178

Wisco @ 170
Thanks but i garrantee that jake is gruff,
One of a whole list of fake names he use’s
And other stuff that discredits this wonderfull blog.
He thinks he is smart as his hero trump,
But he shows all the symptems of a psychopath.
Just a troll.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 1:34 utc | 179

The latest from Pepe Escobar at Strategic Culture is at the following link:
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/07/17/iwo-jima-2-0-what-story-is-this-picture-telling/
I want whatever Pepe was smoking when he wrote this. His creative descriptions of the forces at work in our crazy world is worth the read as are his perspectives about them.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 1:46 utc | 180

Posted by: isitpossible | Jul 17 2024 20:10 utc | 65
I recommend being HIGHLY skeptical of anything being blamed on Iran regarding any upcoming events. IMHO blaming Iran is two birds with one stone for the people responsible. Deflect blame while creating a narrative for war on Iran at the same time. They have been trying for a long time.

Posted by: eman | Jul 18 2024 1:47 utc | 181

The roof slope would likely not be so much as an insurmountable problem for the SS, but rather a dangerous inconvenience. Enough to go with other, less hazardous means of providing overwatch.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 18 2024 1:48 utc | 182

Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 1:34 utc | 179
Nope. Same as Jake is not the San Francisco 75 year old gamerboy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 1:50 utc | 183

Peter
Lost me their

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 1:55 utc | 184

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 1:04 utc | 163
Mark2, Jake is neither Gruff nor Richard Steven Hack. I can’t prove it. Anonymous talkboard.
I’ve never attacked you for bad spelling even once. Lord knows I am a terrible editor of my own posts. Peter is wrong to suggest that, its an obvious strawman.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 1:56 utc | 185

Peter is wrong to suggest that, its an obvious strawman.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 1:56 utc | 185
A strawman……

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 1:59 utc | 186

The price of gold is setting new highs and showing signs of being part of the civilization war with the wild swings
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 17 2024 23:06 utc | 132
Silver has outperformed gold at the last three rate cycles:
2000 – gold price increase 57%, Silver increased 65%
2006 – gold price increased 235%, Silver increased 318%
late 2018 – gold price increased 69%, Silver 101%

Posted by: Menz | Jul 18 2024 2:00 utc | 187

The demand for silver is also increasing quickly with the demand for solar panels.

Posted by: Menz | Jul 18 2024 2:01 utc | 188

The demand for silver is also increasing quickly with the demand for solar panels.
Posted by: Menz | Jul 18 2024 2:01 utc | 188
China is the leading manufacturer of solar panels. I think I read something about US banning them not long back. Whether they’ve passed a law in that regard I’m not sure about but thought they had.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 2:11 utc | 189

“A strawman……”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2024 1:59 utc | 186
I am annoyed by Mark2’s constant use of the phrase “Trump supporters” in a huge percentage of his posts. It’s obvious needling and a form of trolling that you might not recognize. As if “Biden supporters” are peaceniks who want to end the Ukraine war and are ever so supportive of Palestinians. It’s the constant political needling. And the spelling is indeed atrocious, but that’s not what is bothersome. If Mark2 just dropped the “Trump supporters” obsession, posts would be more tolerable and less emotionally provocative and would give less support to Gruff for his TDS rants.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 2:13 utc | 190

Gruff might actually be Mark2, come to think of it now. An easy foil to prove TDS v1. I don’t really think that, but it’s certainly just as possible as “Jake Blanchard is really William Gruff (or RSH).”

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 2:19 utc | 191

Wisco 190
You do you and i’ll do me.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 2:19 utc | 192

There is nothing like the novelty of a seemingly new subject to distract most humans. Or to put a new glint on a subject already over-hyped by both the corporate media and allegedly independent media camp followers of corporate media.
It kinda sad that that will be all the death of two humans and maiming of two others boils down to, yet another 15 minutes for someone who has already had too much just because he lost a minuscule chunk of ear.
The zionists wasted no time in cranking up the slaughter while the xtian world was distracted by a minor injury to an arsehole’s unused advertency.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 18 2024 2:23 utc | 193

@Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 17 2024 23:27 utc | 141
I did not say why East Germany ended up the way it was, which was predominantly because of the complete cordon sanitaire erected by the West around the Eastern bloc. The irony of course is that the US leaders are doing this to their own country.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 18 2024 2:25 utc | 194

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2024 1:46 utc | 180
And cherry on top, Biden has just come down with a “mild” case of Covid, which should eat up whatever is left of his brain.
Does sound like divine intervention for the Repubs who are having a very fun convention.
The Dems deserve every single bit of this.
This will be resolved in the streets by the organized working class. This will not be resolved by voting or judicial appointments. Fasten your seat belts.

Posted by: JAB | Jul 18 2024 2:42 utc | 195

You do you and i’ll do me.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 18 2024 2:19 utc | 192
Are you a Biden and Blinken and Nuland supporter? Be honest.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 2:43 utc | 196

Not a big Tucker Carlson fan, but he seems to be a very respectable person & some of his words have a powerful “ring of truth” that more concerned citizens should hear about. Tucker notes that JD Vance is hated by all the promoters of endless war in DC + that Vance & Trump will walk us away from Nuclear war, while all the others wanting to be Trump’s VP were all for nuclear war

Tucker Carlson on the very curious circumstances surrounding the Trump Shooting and the VP nomination oF JD Vance


Excerpt from Transcript:
3:21 I spent 35 years in Washington and there were politicians I liked but I just couldn’t help but notice that every single one of them had a weird personal life.
Almost every single one not all but most of them had something they were hiding…
They were secretly gay or they were into drugs or alcoholic or cheating on their wife or whatever.
I thought this is not a random sample of the population. My neighbors aren’t living like this. Why is all of the US Congress?
I’m not being mean I know it sounds like something you say just to be nasty about a group you don’t like but I’m being sincere.
Why is that why are so many politicians living lies and it’s because that’s who they are. I mean deception is at the core actually of
who they are… When you watch them pursue power it comes right out.
////
4:32 So now JD Vance is the VP pick and I think every person who pays close attention has got to be thrilled..
Every bad person I’ve ever met in a lifetime in Washington was aligned against JD Vance
5:01″ I don’t always think that my side is right. I know for a fact I have been wrong many many times….I hope
to correct and be honest about my errors. It’s not like I think… God’s always on my side
5:18 I definitely know who’s representing the other side…. it’s a lot easier to tell who the people who are
only in it because they like…. killing other people in pointless Wars…. I know who those people are and their odor
is so powerful that I can smell one when he walks in the room.
Every single one of those people in a line that would extend from Milwaukee to Chicago was lined up over
the last week to knife JD Vance not on personal grounds.
Vance is a perfectly nice guy he’s like one of the only members
of the Senate with a happy marriage, true, but because they thought he would be harder to manipulate and slightly
less enthusiastic about killing people.
37:30
It can’t just be competing groups who are trying to screw the other ones out of some prize. You know some money that other people made.
That’s very quickly where we’re going…
ABOVE ALL AVOIDING NUCLEAR WAR which has got to be the first one and only Trump will do that and JD Vance.
Everyone else was like totally into nuclear war. All the other people he was considering were like “let’s have a nuclear war!”
so after that the most important long-term question is what do we all have in common?
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Before the shooting was leaning towards Jill, but now voting for her seems like voting for mars. Nyet!
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Truth is a shining goddess, always veiled, always distant, never wholly approachable, but worthy of all the devotion of which the human spirit is capable.
Bertrand Russell

Posted by: Toby C | Jul 18 2024 2:59 utc | 197

PsychoHistorian, why do you criticize the “God of Mammon” in so many posts while also being a goldbug, and why post so many links to Zero Hedge posted here? ZH is totally God of Mammon web site.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 3:07 utc | 198

And yes, this thread and the previous 1200-post one are more important than arguing about the minutia of Marxist ideology or eastern philosophies and religions. None of that crap ever really goes anywhere, it is just a foem of self-promotion and bragging. Being above the hoi-polloi.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 18 2024 3:33 utc | 199

Not sure, but I think the Globalist vision (no doubt there are factions, but) is generally collectivist and therefore kissing cousins with communism.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 18 2024 0:52 utc | 160
Sometimes I want to weep due to what has been shoveled into the minds of people living in this society, and even moreso regarding the propensity to so fervently and pathetically believe such things. Conformance makes one a patriot. Cruelty makes one a respected citizen. Insularity has somehow become equated with worldliness. Incuriousity is equated with intellect.
Ignoring reality, people expend considerable effort to create myths, then go to lengths to criticize those same myths, rather than face, admit, and denounce the reality that has not only failed them, but that which was deliberately organized to do so.
I am at a loss.
We profoundly deserve what is coming for us.

Posted by: Arkady Bogdanov | Jul 18 2024 3:40 utc | 200