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Posted by b on July 14, 2024 at 13:56 UTC | Permalink
next page »Hmmm...so the wannabee assassin moonlighted...in a Blackrock commercial
https://x.com/i/status/1812483062837493869
Posted by: Mary | Jul 14 2024 14:02 utc | 2
This attempt on Trump's life show us how powerful and self confident is the global elite. They dont need to pretend any more, they would launch on Russia without thinking.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 14 2024 14:06 utc | 4
I really believe the Trump 'shooting' was a put up job. Ears bleed quickly and dramatically however they are cut. Trump will get a huge boost from this for his campaign. The 'shooter' was killed so no-one can question them, and was there just one gunman? Remember the Burning of the Reichstag was a great boost for another tyrant.
Posted by: Bill R | Jul 14 2024 14:07 utc | 5
The Company You Keep: Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump All Have Something in Common, They placed the Nation Above Their Own Well-Being.
https://shorturl.at/T4Lfn
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Jul 14 2024 14:09 utc | 6
the deep state will not stop. trump's gotta be kennedied.
Posted by: andreweed | Jul 14 2024 14:15 utc | 7
"I really believe the Trump 'shooting' was a put up job. Ears bleed quickly and dramatically however they are cut."
Reminds me of the plot of Agatha Christie's crime novel "A Murder Is Announced". The murderer stages an assassination attempt on herself by cutting her earlobe with nail scissors and everyone thinks she was grazed in the ear by a gun bullet.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 14:16 utc | 8
Almost without exception, MSM reporters are bemoaning the failed assassination attempt. Here is 'El Hotzo' on German public media broadcaster ARD.
https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1812480311780937924
And in the start of the month one reporter on BBC was demanding Biden to murder Trump to protect national security (I presume he meant the Ukronazi project).
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 14 2024 14:17 utc | 9
TPTB are going crazy right now. Pretty much any footage or commentary that is not controlled by the legacy media is being taken down from the internet almost as soon as it goes up on certain platforms.
Posted by: Monos | Jul 14 2024 14:26 utc | 10
Here is a thought. The Deep State now needs to get rid of Biden, he is damaged goods. If they can remove Trump also, even better.
So, first arrange an assassination of Trump, which may or may not succeed. Its main objective is to create a situation where Trump supporters are blamed for the upcoming elimination of Biden. Chaos is the result.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 14 2024 14:28 utc | 11
Posted by: Bill R | Jul 14 2024 14:07 utc | 5
Hogy unlikely. The bullet that grazed his ear instantly killed the woman standing behind him. Dr. in the stands said her brain matter spattered.
If Trump had not turned his head at that exact instant, he'd be dead.
And extremely unlikely he play along with the risk of an ear graze.
Posted by: Mary | Jul 14 2024 14:28 utc | 12
@unimperator
"Almost without exception, MSM reporters are bemoaning the failed assassination attempt. Here is 'El Hotzo' on German public media broadcaster ARD."
This guy isn't a broadcaster. He's a gagwriter. I never heard of him before.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 14:31 utc | 14
Most of the comments so far are delusional! Glad I don't come here to often anymore.
Posted by: David F | Jul 14 2024 14:33 utc | 15
@Apollyon #3
imho this is 100% a Mossad-Hollywood production:
False Flag checklist
Dead shooter: check
Unharmed and victorious fist pumping alleged target: check
Alleged dead/injured other invisible victims: check
Narrative presented immediately to public along with Iwo Jima photo: check.
1. When Trump is cowering behind the podium you can see the crowd behind him. While a couple of people bend down, most keep standing and there is NO huddle of people around the unnamed dead person we have been told allegedly exists who was hit by the bullet and died.
There is NO injured or dead person in the crowd behind Trump.
Just because media tells you there is a dead person and even if they later produce an AI photo of alleged dead person and tearful friends of poor "victim" who took "bullet" intended for Trump... there's no way for any of us to know if its true or false.
2. Many people and photographers near Trump keep calmly photographing.
3. On the roof we are shown a glimpse of a person lying down and told this is a dead human. It could also be a live human but we wouldn't know.
4. All the video and photographs in the public domain have the hallmark of a carefully constructed narrative:
the snipers allegedly spotting the shooter and firing, the glimpse of the "dead shooter", the Iwojima photo etc.
I don't doubt that there are many who want Trump dead but but the ONLY thing that counts in the United States of Zion is what Zionists want.
Do Zionists want Trump dead?
And Zionists want Trump to win the election because despite Genocide Joe bending over forwards and backwards for the terrorist entity, aka Israel,
somehow Satanyahoo has decided the Trump-Kushner team will be more useful.
It doesn't mean that Trump knew beforehand. It doesn't mean the Demonrats are not trying desperately to steal another election.
But a US election is just same shit, different fan.
The biggest giveaway is the protective squad allowing the Trumpster to show his face, pump his fist, not once but at least 2-3 times before getting in the car.
I'm sorry but apart from conspiracy theories, I just rolled my eyes when I saw the video.
It looked so silly and fake as fuck. He doesn't have any blood when he goes down (on his fingers). Then stands up with a packet of ketchup smeared on his ear, a few streaks on the front of his face and reddish rouge on right cheek. Whatever that stuff is, blood it is not.
Posted by: Schindler | Jul 14 2024 14:33 utc | 16
@unimperator | Jul 14 2024 14:17 utc | 9:
MSM reporters are bemoaning the failed assassination attempt. 'El Hotzo' on German public media broadcaster ARD.
You really have no clue what you're talking about. Neither does your linked source.
Posted by: dustbunny | Jul 14 2024 14:37 utc | 17
Remember the Burning of the Reichstag was a great boost for another tyrant.
Posted by: Bill R | Jul 14 2024 14:07 utc | 5
Jan 6 was the Reichstag fire and Biden was (and still is) the tyrant.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 14 2024 14:40 utc | 18
Posted by: Schindler | Jul 14 2024 14:33 utc | 16
In video, there is a young woman with a baseball cap & longish blond hair behind Trump's left shoulder. She drops like a rock with the 1st shot. A man to her immediate left turns toward her & drops down. Looks like he is trying to assist her.
If Trump had not moved his head just so, that would have been him.
How quicy & how heavy you bleed depends in large part exact location & depth of the injury.
Posted by: Mary | Jul 14 2024 14:46 utc | 21
@ Schindler
"When Trump is cowering behind the podium you can see the crowd behind him. While a couple of people bend down, most keep standing and there is NO huddle of people around the unnamed dead person we have been told allegedly exists who was hit by the bullet and died."
That's because the bullett came from the left, and if a person was hit, the person would be out of the frame on the right. The strange thing is, several shots were fired, but only one person was hit, although the ranks were filled with people. You would expect more people to be hit by a bullett.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 14:46 utc | 22
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 14:46 utc | 22
More than 1 was hit. A 2nd was seriously injured & has reportedly died. And in another report, 2 were seriously injured.
Posted by: Mary | Jul 14 2024 14:51 utc | 23
@Mary
"In video, there is a young woman with a baseball cap & longish blond hair behind Trump's left shoulder. She drops like a rock with the 1st shot."
She just reacted fast and in the proper way to the sound of gun shots.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 14:52 utc | 24
You'd have trouble finding anyone who despises Trump more than I do. Yet I'm forced to admit: That fist pump, after getting shot, wow! Drunken barflies can make fools of themselves blathering about fake news all they like. Those bullets and bloodstains were real, baby. Real as it gets. Trump showed remarkable presence of mind with that instantly-legendary fist-pump in that moment.
In the process, he just sealed both houses of Congress and any number of state legislatures and governors' seats for Republicans, for the foreseeable. With a fist-pump. Their convention starts Monday -- talk about a ratings booster! Goodness gracious, will anyone even care whether old Joe hangs on to the helm of the Democrat Titanic anymore?
What about Lebanon? Does this debacle shorten the fuse?
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 14 2024 15:00 utc | 25
#12 Mary Thanks.
Myself being a pacifist and practiced well non-violence civil disobedience for years, I am glad Trump is still alive. I am allowed the opinion that Trump and Biden are corrupt, serial liers, venial people.
I will not be reading this thread anymore. Don't feed the nisse (Norsk word for trolls). They are out in force on this thread. Occams razor as always is a good tool.
Posted by: paxmark1 | Jul 14 2024 15:00 utc | 26
That's because the bullett came from the left, and if a person was hit, the person would be out of the frame on the right. The strange thing is, several shots were fired, but only one person was hit, although the ranks were filled with people. You would expect more people to be hit by a bullett.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 14:46 utc | 22
The SS counter-sniper fired some shots and killed the would-be-assassin. There's no accounting yet of exactly how many shots the assassin fired, but 'too many' is a good estimate, since the counter sniper seems to be zeroed in on him from before the first one is heard.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 14 2024 15:04 utc | 27
@Schindler
"Alleged dead/injured other invisible victims: check"
I saw a picture of what appeared to be a dead person with a head wound.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 15:05 utc | 28
Posted by: David F | Jul 14 2024 14:33 utc | 15
Shit, I was all expectant that you'll bless us with some insider knowledge and beautiful thoughts, but no, you sulked away forever.
Also, can somebody on the other side of the pond lead poor doomer vargas behind the barn and do him a favour, the old horse is clearly tired of this cruel world.
Posted by: Boo | Jul 14 2024 15:10 utc | 29
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/116326
;)
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 14:40 utc | 19
Nice!
And now for all the Trolls, 3 Letter boys, trolls and hatters
You're already in the nth iteration of failed disinformation.
"he fell"
"noises"
"bb gun"
"glass shard"
etc
There are two bullet holes on Trump, and bad for you, he lived (and will make you pay for the joke)
point two, nobody put's himself for a william tell moment to fake things. Maybe Biden would but a bullet to his head would miss any critical organ, there is no brain left and if he lost his mouth his chances of winning would be bigger
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 14 2024 15:11 utc | 30
"You'd have trouble finding anyone who despises Trump more than I do. Yet I'm forced to admit: That fist pump, after getting shot, wow! Drunken barflies can make fools of themselves blathering about fake news all they like. Those bullets and bloodstains were real, baby. Real as it gets. Trump showed remarkable presence of mind with that instantly-legendary fist-pump in that moment."
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 14 2024 15:00 utc | 25
Honest post; of course Trump was shot and he handled it magnificently- the riff raff calling it 'Fake" are delusional.
@paxmark1 | Jul 14 2024 15:00 utc | 26
nisse (Norsk word for trolls).Incorrect. Nisse vs. Troll.
On the subject of Trump assassination attempt, you don't have to be a pacifist to condemn this kind of extreme political violence that we see in US elections over and over again. It is just common sense that this should not happen. But it seems to me the US was born on the back of violence and is practicing it externally and internally.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 14 2024 15:15 utc | 32
Aleph Null @ 25
You got the cui bono part correct.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 14 2024 15:17 utc | 33
Attempt at Trump could be real. If there's more tries afterwards then it's Democrats, if there's none then it's 3rd Party. Surviving assassination attempt is powerful visual.
If these causes US citizens to solidify rallying behind Trump then Zionists win. If these succeeded and political opposition is terrorized, assassinations became less taboo of tools then Zionists win.
Either way i do not see chances there's anything different on the outcomes regardless who's became POTUS. Their policy had locked in.
Posted by: Lucci | Jul 14 2024 15:19 utc | 34
Counter sniper seems to be zeroed in on him from before the first one is heard.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 14 2024 15:04 utc | 27
Counter Sniper have more elevated position from what i see so chances are they should see him before he took any attempt.
Posted by: Lucci | Jul 14 2024 15:22 utc | 35
Aleks' take on the attempted murder of Trump. Some interesting details about shooting techniques.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 14 2024 15:04 utc | 27
Please watch the video I posted in #1 all the way through. While it has the background ominous music, there are no talking heads on voice over, which is what you will get with MSM.
Pause-rewind it at any point you think there maybe an interest.
Initial salvo is 3 shots, which is std training for combatants. A pause of 2 seconds, then 4 rapid fire shots. Then counter shots (completely different sounds due to angle and suppressors on SS weapons).
As stated, appears 2nd shot hit his ear. Std human reactions takes 1 second to make mental connection to an input, and generate a muscular response. In that time Trump ducks for cover, then second salvo follows, against a target that the shooter doesn't have a line of sight on. Those 4 shots are probably what hit the other victims, and possibly taken while also getting hit. We have no info on number of shots used to take out the perp.
Later, you can hear SS state that threat has been neutralized, as they start to move Trump. (per my suspicions yesterday)
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 14 2024 15:25 utc | 37
Aleph_Null | Jul 14 2024 15:00 utc | 25
In the process, he just sealed both houses of Congress and any number of state legislatures and governors' seats for Republicans, for the foreseeable
Guess they'll have to try again.
Posted by: john | Jul 14 2024 15:26 utc | 38
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 14:31 utc | 14
He is a millenial (my generation) influencer who came to viral fame with satirical posts on twitter.
Mostly laconic sarcasm regarding everyday life with a hint of anti capitalism (the reformist kind).
No idea to what extent he is involved with ARD/ZDF/WDR, however, those dumped truck loads of money to buy in influencers to appeal to millenials/gen z.
Posted by: kspr | Jul 14 2024 15:27 utc | 39
The other open thread has swollen past 480 posts, largely from barflies preaching that you're a fool to believe anything you hear from anyone, ever. (Just go with your hunches is the epistemological strategy, I suppose.) Meanwhile, my bet is the identity of the shooter will be largely irrelevant to ongoing events. Here's the name to watch: Kimberly Cheatle, director of US Secret Service, as this writing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly_Cheatle
Nobody can explain why she hasn't resigned already, while we investigate how they could allow that guy up on that roof. Previous gig: senior director of global security for PepsiCo.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 14 2024 15:27 utc | 40
This really must be considered in the light of the attempt on Fico's life, as well. Trump and Fico both oppose, threaten the Ukraine project. Orban is now sure of the warning shots.
But, wow! The western race to the bottom acceleration into political chaos on the 3rd, 4th tier order is quite funny and definitely alarming.
Posted by: Hahajizzjizz | Jul 14 2024 15:28 utc | 41
Those bullets and bloodstains were real, baby. Real as it gets.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 14 2024 15:00 utc | 25
So you were in the crowd behind him, because only they could see it happening, his head was turned.
Also one of the agents was a diversity hire short woman, who could protect only his belly. Are these people retarded or was it by design, simply more chances to have his face exploded if first shot missed?
Posted by: rk | Jul 14 2024 15:32 utc | 42
Not that anyone suggested this 10 days ago...
Even Australia noticed, while US MSM sort of, didn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFjXC3hHk_s
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 14 2024 15:32 utc | 43
@BillR #5
You clearly have never shot at anything.
Even experts would have difficulty with that type of accuracy at range, much less a 17 year old apparent Never Trumper.
One inch over and Trump is dead or partially lobotomized.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 14 2024 15:36 utc | 45
#12 Mary Thanks.
Myself being a pacifist and practiced well non-violence civil disobedience for years, I am glad Trump is still alive. I am allowed the opinion that Trump and Biden are corrupt, serial liers, venial people.
I will not be reading this thread anymore. Don't feed the nisse (Norsk word for trolls). They are out in force on this thread. Occams razor as always is a good tool.
Posted by: paxmark1 | Jul 14 2024 15:00 utc | 26
Definitely right, Pax. The first set of comments on this thread reflect the redirection/cover-up operation we'll see from US intelligence, via their MSM proxies, in the coming weeks.
He got shot. Who shot Trump? Is this Robert Fico part 2? Have we reached the final phase of the breakdown of US imperialism? They clearly are desperate. Losing Ukraine. Their corpse candidate cannot possibly win. They are quickly realizing their control of reality has slipped and there is a plan now to just kill off all opposition.
Don't believe? Ask yourself, how is that Biden has never been shot? He's deeply loathed supposedly by gun nut Nazi country boys for four long years now. Things like this don't happen to politicians in the US unless intelligence wants it to. They wanted it to happen and either let it or made it happen. And it was not to support Trump by just grazing him, it was to kill him.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2024 15:37 utc | 46
/brambles lets out a cheep
At least try to love thy neighbor! :) Living in interesting times, strange bedfellows, any port in a storm, and all that.
/brambles returns to silence
Posted by: titmouse | Jul 14 2024 15:40 utc | 47
Berletic does a nice job reviewing the security lapses, one thing I'll add is that immediately after Trump ducks, the SS raises him up at the podium centering him right back in the bullseye. Maybe they got notice in their Matrix earpieces that the shooter was down, but you have to assume there's a second shooter. I don't rule out mass incompetence, it's the zeitgeist of everything under neoliberalism, everything is dysfunctional, why shouldn't presidential security be dysfunctional.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6-z0PqTKeU
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 14 2024 15:42 utc | 48
@Apollyon #22
See comment above.
Firing quickly and accurately at that distance is very non trivial, even discounting the fact that the shooter was a 17 year old (I.e. highly unlikely to have experience shooting accurately at range, at speed and under enormous psychological stress). Even the rapidly beating heartbeat because you are about to kill your first person, and the accompanying rapid breathing due to adrenaline rush, will throw off aim. Shooting multiple times - the later shots grow increasingly inaccurate particularly if rapid fire semi-auto.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 14 2024 15:42 utc | 49
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 14 2024 15:15 utc | 32
Yes indeed. The assassination attempt was obviously real. Whether other people were involved remains to be seen but it seems more likely that this kid acted alone. American society has always been violent. This is the way that craziness manifests itself in this particular historical moment.
I will say this however, it does seem to me that we are at an inflection point. Maybe it has something to do with our brains being wrecked by the electronic hallucination we live in. Undoubtedly, the COVID period did significant damage to our level of trust, both between individuals and with our institutions. While not acknowledged by most Americans, there is a creeping sense that our run as the world’s decision maker, our exceptionalism if you will, is over. That means the so-called American “way of life “ is not going to be on the menu much longer. The glue that once held the experiment together, which allowed for a common culture, however imperfect, has dried up and is giving out.
Pile this on top of the aforementioned propensity for violence and you get a sort of mass insanity peppered with outbursts of senseless rage. This is what America will look like until we decide we’re not an empire anymore, but instead a large and powerful country that needs to put away childish things and behave reasonably. If we don’t do that, it will be imposed on us from outside.
Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 14 2024 15:43 utc | 50
How is it that this unknown unemployed 20 year old living with his parents had his DNA on file in a F B I biometric data base??
CNN
AFter being killed at the scene, Crooks didn’t have any identification on his body, so agents had to “run his DNA and get biometric confirmation,” Kevin Rojek, the special agent in charge of the FBI’s Pittsburgh field office, said at a press conference Saturday night before the gunman was named.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/us/trump-shooting-thomas-matthew-crooks-intl-hnk/index.html
Posted by: Jerr | Jul 14 2024 15:45 utc | 51
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 14 2024 15:25 utc | 37
Just re-watched, and ~ 5 seconds before SS return fire is heard.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 14 2024 15:45 utc | 52
At the moment there are two ongoing wars (against Syria, Israel against Palestines), one proxy war (Ukraine against Russia), one or two wars in the making (one against Iran, another Philippines or Taiwan against China) and a conflict (Yemen). There is also an ever-growing list of color revolutions that treat ally and foe alike (Turkey, Kazakhstan); Georgia is said to be next.
It would beggar belief if, out of the blue, a 20 year old kid with a rifle ends up changing the course of history.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 14 2024 15:45 utc | 53
Attempt at Trump could be real.
Posted by: Lucci | Jul 14 2024 15:19 utc | 34
It was real. It's nice to be open minded, but don't let your brain fall out, Luccini.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2024 15:46 utc | 54
My conspiratorial two cents, funny how all the lone wolf assassins though modern western history always reinforce the status quo, it's never a revolutionary act. There's only one way to make sense out of that.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 14 2024 15:47 utc | 55
It is amazing how quickly the MSM pushed the narative of downplaying the failed atentate. Almost instantly, a lot of trolls appeared in the comment sections all over the world. Troll farms or AI. Who knows?
Posted by: Grey Cloud | Jul 14 2024 15:50 utc | 56
At the last US presidential debate Trump bragged about ordering the successful assassination attempt of Qassem Soleimani. None of the American media commenters of the Trump assassination attempt have mentioned Trump's crime or that all US presidents since at least W. Bush have planned meetings at the White House to identify targets and order their assassination.
Posted by: Keme | Jul 14 2024 15:52 utc | 57
Posted by: Hahajizzjizz | Jul 14 2024 15:28 utc | 41
Appolagies to b.
What we say matters. What we do matters more. Trump did up the ante so to speak on what obama appeared to be doing in 404. Yes?
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 14 2024 15:52 utc | 58
The honest trolls, I call those who do not write rubbish for money, that is do not work for DNC or some related criminal gang. You need to understand that the words that you write come out of your own brain and they have nothing to do with objective reality. You use the fist pump as a proof that this was staged exactly because you are cowards who completely cannot understand that someone could show true bravery under fire, such reaction is completely foreign to you who would cower for safety behind the SS garbage in a true situation, just like the Congress critters did even without any real danger. That is - you just self project in your words.
I love that Black Rock advertisement featuring the shooter as the second most prominent person. Young rising star of the Establishment.
Posted by: Kiza | Jul 14 2024 15:52 utc | 59
… Kimberly_Cheatle … Nobody can explain why she hasn't resigned already, while we investigate how they could allow that guy up on that roof. Previous gig: senior director of global security for PepsiCo.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 14 2024 15:27 utc | 40
Going on the available evidence, Trump’s extremely lucky to be alive.
Not only do the sponsors of this assassination attempt still have all the same problems with Trump that motivated them to attack in the first place, they now have Trump’s personal enmity on the highest level imaginable.
With Trump gone, his power base would have been in disarray, it would have been far easier to paper over any cracks in the official story, like suspiciously lax security, with Trump alive and well things could get interesting.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 14 2024 15:54 utc | 60
Get a load of the dembots in this thread trying to seed the FUD that the assassination attempt didn’t happen!
I do understand it, though. Many among the faux left are deeply vested in the notion that they are morally superior and the MAGA people are, like eastern Ukrainians are to the western ones, orcs; subhumans who must be controlled. The reality that the dembot ”team” are actually the violently irrational ones must be dismissed and replaced with some more comforting fiction.
Unfortunately, dembot Trump Derangement Syndrome victims, you are no different from the crazed shooter. Face up to the fact that you are the monsters. You are ”the baddies”. Don’t try to deny it because your rationalizations are all over social media and corporate mass media.
I wish this reflection of who you really are could shock you to your senses, but you are already lost in self-delusion. You can easily manage another layer of delusion to shield from the truth of your true identity.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 14 2024 15:54 utc | 61
Get a load of the dembots in this thread trying to seed the FUD that the assassination attempt didn’t happen!
I do understand it, though. Many among the faux left are deeply vested in the notion that they are morally superior and the MAGA people are, like eastern Ukrainians are to the western ones, orcs; subhumans who must be controlled. The reality that the dembot ”team” are actually the violently irrational ones must be dismissed and replaced with some more comforting fiction.
Unfortunately, dembot Trump Derangement Syndrome victims, you are no different from the crazed shooter. Face up to the fact that you are the monsters. You are ”the baddies”. Don’t try to deny it because your rationalizations are all over social media and corporate mass media.
I wish this reflection of who you really are could shock you to your senses, but you are already lost in self-delusion. You can easily manage another layer of delusion to shield from the truth of your true identity.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 14 2024 15:54 utc | 62
Questions to the barflies regarding Mr Trump's affair. I do not intend to be provocative, I see them as legitimate ones:
* Is the shooter identified? Who was he/she?
* One person in the audience, a woman, is said to be shot to death. Is she identified? Is she a local resident?
* A man in the audience is said to be wounded due to a shot. Is he a local resident? Which hospital has he be sent to?
US press, generally, identifies people in situations like that hastly, but I have not seen any information on it until now (it can be my fault, of course)...
Posted by: C Khosta y Alzamendi | Jul 14 2024 15:55 utc | 63
@Ahenobarbus #46
That is because the country boys believe in rule of law, whereas those supporting the present Democrat party believe in making rules to suit their desires.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 14 2024 15:55 utc | 64
It was real. It's nice to be open minded, but don't let your brain fall out, Luccini.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2024 15:46 utc | 54
Not me believing everything Empire of chaos comes up with without doubt. You do not simply believe country made of Devil.
Posted by: Lucci | Jul 14 2024 15:58 utc | 65
@LightYearsFromHome #48
No doubt full true blue city rally protocol was not followed, but the reality is that this was unusual. First, this is a very small town: less than 14000 population.
Second, I am fairly to very sure that this is deep red territory.
This doesn’t excuse the failures but defensive postures are always informed by assessed risks.
Those lapses won’t happen again.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 14 2024 16:01 utc | 66
With Trump gone, his power base would have been in disarray, it would have been far easier to paper over any cracks in the official story, like suspiciously lax security, with Trump alive and well things could get interesting.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 14 2024 15:54 utc | 60
That and they'll struck terror against detractors and stragglers.
NSDAP run violent anti opposition campaign before turning their country full Nazi.
Posted by: Lucci | Jul 14 2024 16:01 utc | 67
The fact that we have an aging two bit self promoter pitted against a senile old man with haters on both sides willing and ready to do violence shows the pathetic state of national politics in the country. Totally dysfunctional. Not surprised at the assassination attempt. Odd that the shooter could gain position to attempt it. Trump praised the Secret Service fwiw. This country is so f*cked.
Posted by: the pessimist | Jul 14 2024 16:03 utc | 68
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 14 2024 15:27 utc | 40
Chaos agents.
Also agree that Trump showed true an very admirable grit and I don't even like the man. It is inexplicable that there was no SS presence on that very roof. Security 101. WSJ pointedly has "a clear line of sight" on their front page video. Having failed at this their next move is to agitprop for civil war.
I disagree regarding Lebanon since it is Biden that currently stands in the way of the abomination expanding the war to Lebanon and beyond. Did Trump ever say no to the abomination? Who would have run in his stead if he had been killed?
I bet Biden is now worried too. NYTimes made it clear that the Occult Politburu has decided that he too "must go".
America needs to rid itself of Zionists. The actual enemy of Americans and all "goyim" worldwide.
Posted by: sunof27 | Jul 14 2024 16:04 utc | 69
Posted by: Schindler | Jul 14 2024 14:33 utc | 16
Sorry, everything you said is wrong.
The crowd reacts immediately, 1 or 2 faster than Trump.
The camera angle doesn't pick up show Trumps hand when he ducks down. When he reappears, SS has been covering him and presumably checking his status, including wound clean up, to determine of they can move him.
There is no dead woman, the other two victims have been identified as male.
There is cell phone footage of them carrying the dead man down from the stands, and a wounded man holding his right side. They were seated on the side of Trumps left shoulder. The shot line would never impact someone immediately behind Trump in the close in camera angle.
Real life is real life, movies are "fake as fuck".
So many of our misconceptions come from movies. Hero's get shot 5 times and carry on, cheap villains fold immediately, super villains need to get hit 12 times.
One bullet impact launches people 8 feet backwards crashing through windows.
6 shooters can be used 10 times w/o reloading.
15 rd pistols can shoot 20+ times w/o reloading.
5 Bad guys can't hit 1 good guy running around at 30 feet from them.
1 good guy (or now woman) can take out 5 bad guys with 4 shots, etc.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 14 2024 16:07 utc | 70
Reminds me of the plot of Agatha Christie's crime novel "A Murder Is Announced".
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 14:16 utc | 8
I had the same thought. Do you know how difficult it is for a 'head shot"? Furthermore, for Trump to have had the top of his ear hit, then he must have been looking directly at the gunman's direction when shot. You will note that at that precise time Trump is looking to his right which means that his right ear is hidden from the crowd. Trump maintains that pose from some seconds and then reaches up to his right ear and touches it, and you can see his hand as he removes it and there is no blood on either the palm or the fingers.
Trump then drops to the floor and the SS start to pile on top of him. At this stage there is a video showing one of the SS with a white handkerchief rubbing the area of Trump's right ear.
So now, let's consider the role of the SS, a part of which is to check the area for possible snipers, and they missed this one! No, no, no. Not possible. Here we have a sniper on a roof top and within view of the SS anti-sniper team who are positioned on a higher roof-top. That reminds me of the Boston Marathon ten years ago. And of course there was the Sandy Hook School massacre where the murder weapon, a bushmaster AR-15 was locked in the boot of the black Honda sedan.
Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | Jul 14 2024 16:07 utc | 71
Since they failed to Fico Trump, just as they failed to Fico Fico, they automatically fired up Trump's base and further weakened Bidet (who refuses to step aside). Obvious solution: bump off Bidet on live camera, and arrange for a Russian passport and/or maga cap to be found at the scene.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 14 2024 16:07 utc | 72
@LightYearsFromHome #55
Utter bollocks.
Gavrilo Princep was not trying to reinforce the status quo.
Neither was Fanya Kaplan.
Hinckley? No
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 14 2024 16:08 utc | 73
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 14 2024 15:47 utc | 55
It’s a given that political assassins can be manufactured, from the the suitably inclined or merely suggestible, Anders Breivik, Tetsuya Yamagami, to name two obvious examples.
The implementation mechanisms are blurry.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 14 2024 16:08 utc | 74
For those who think it was staged: how do you stage a sniper bullet fired from over 100 metres away to nick your ear pinna edge but be sure it wouldn't either miss completely or put a hole through your brain?
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 14 2024 16:10 utc | 75
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 14 2024 15:42 utc | 49
Why do you keep insisting on calling him a 17 year old?
How much target shooting have you ever done? The real issue would be having to quickly scale the building and bear crawl into position. That increases heart rate and shortness of breath.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 14 2024 16:14 utc | 76
Our old friend Dima has a story to tell. Yes he is pro-Russian but it seems that he has been reading Azov chatter over Telegram. I hav e seen some of the stuff. It seems to indicate Ukrainian involvement in the operation. The stories posted by the Ukrainian soldiers are all in Russian, so they cannot have made their way into any discussion - yet. I also wonder why Putin and or Orban have not gotten in touch with DT. Could they be conducting their own investigation into the Ukrainian connection? Cui bono? Ukraine obviously.
Posted by: Stierlitz | Jul 14 2024 16:19 utc | 77
This is very long, but he covers the bases very well. It really looks like the locals were part of a Dallas style set up.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 14 2024 16:23 utc | 78
It was real. It's nice to be open minded, but don't let your brain fall out, Luccini.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2024 15:46 utc | 54
Not me believing everything Empire of chaos comes up with without doubt. You do not simply believe country made of Devil.
Posted by: Lucci | Jul 14 2024 15:58 utc | 65
Incoherent response, L.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2024 16:24 utc | 79
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 14 2024 16:23 utc | 78
Thanks but waaaay too long. Could you let us know the time stamp for the Dallas setup part?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 14 2024 16:26 utc | 80
I'm wondering why everyone is assuming the kid was trying to make a head shot. Could it have been just been a bad shot that went high?
Posted by: genuinely curious | Jul 14 2024 16:29 utc | 81
@Ahenobarbus #46
That is because the country boys believe in rule of law, whereas those supporting the present Democrat party believe in making rules to suit their desires.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 14 2024 15:55 utc | 64
But they aren't his only detractors. Biden is widely hated. If it were this easy to take 7 shots at Biden, it would have happened. But that's the trick, it ain't that easy. Now, a single young man, with no military or even hunting experience carries that out, nearly hitting the target in the head. Seems funny, huh? Again, assassination attempts like this don't happen unless intelligence wants it to. Oh, and guess who's in charge of the investigation: the FBI, the very center of anti trump agitation since 2016.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2024 16:29 utc | 82
I'm wondering why everyone is assuming the kid was trying to make a head shot. Could it have been just been a bad shot that went high?
Posted by: genuinely curious | Jul 14 2024 16:29 utc | 81
Because Trump nearly got hit in the head, ding dong. Thank you next...
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2024 16:31 utc | 83
Could you let us know the time stamp for the Dallas setup part?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 14 2024 16:26 utc | 80
Unfortunately, the way the guy goes about it that can't really be done, because he's examining all the forensic evidence available in detail (and somewhat repetitively), and adding in information about SS protocols and the background of the Governor of Pa... TL;DW: He puts it on Josh Shapiro, D governor of Pa and the state police apparatus.
He's very careful to build his case, so it takes forever, but it looks very tight, and indicates where the next place to look for evidence is: the Staties' comm chatter. If that gets buried, Shapiro is playing LBJ.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 14 2024 16:36 utc | 84
Lucci@1522
After viewing those TWO agents with state of the art sniper-rifles which were supported by pre-set stands; it stands to reason that their vantage points were situated ABOVE the roofs of all nearby buildings. They clearly were aiming in a specific direction and one may assume that the target individual was already in their crosshairs.
Now, after due consideration and having learned a few thing about how the various Federal murder agencies operate; it appears that the designated "assassin" had been pre-programmed by means of either or both psychotronic weaponry and post-hypnotic suggestion. The assassination agencies have learned a lot about creating "persons of interest" as patsies since the CIA controlled assassination of JFK on 11-22-63.
There is not even a remote possibility that Trump was aware of the goings-on before this most probably staged incident. Whether the round which hit his ear was actually fired by the now conveniently dead "shooter" or some other individual armed with a specially silenced weapon is open to conjecture and speculation.
It's not inconceivable that the head-shot 20 Y.0. on the roof was the actual shooter. If so, how did his ladder magically appear without Law-in-Forcement agents noticing that object or who it was that installed that very long and obviously heavy implement. Logically, that emplacement could only have been accomplished by no fewer than a crew of two. It stretches imaginations that the alleged shooter could have set it up long prior to the incident...for the simple reason that it would have stood out visually for any and all to witness.
Thus, there are a number of unanswered questions that the Main$cream media and troll-factory mud-slingers are doing their crooked best to obfuscate and cover up.
Some bodies calculated this event long before it played out. Probability factor is that Trump's turning his head just as the trigger was being squeezed, was the single factor which saved his life. His defiant fist-raised gesture was a signature of his quick wit and survival sense.
Was the incident programmed to initiate a civil war as the outcome of outrage and chaos had it succeeded? The ruling financier elite are getting very nervous about the many awakenings and the now tremulous state of their best-laid plans.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 14 2024 16:37 utc | 85
Then stands up with a packet of ketchup smeared on his ear…
Posted by: Schindler | Jul 14 2024 14:33 utc:
I was going to post on the assassination attempt, but I didn’t realize this was a mental illness thread. My apologies.
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 14 2024 16:37 utc | 86
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2024 16:31 utc | 83
So you assume because his ear was hit that that is where the shooter was aiming?
What about the alleged hole in his jacket?
In my limited knowledge, shooters are taught to aim for the body as it is easier to hit.
Posted by: genuinely curious | Jul 14 2024 16:40 utc | 87
Under Obama, Kimberly Cheatle had been chief of the Secret Service detail protecting Vice President Biden.
Posted by: Lysias | Jul 14 2024 16:40 utc | 88
Posted by: genuinely curious | Jul 14 2024 16:29 utc | 81
Absolute amateur here who never fired a gun (expect in video games).
As far as i gathered the shooter's rifle did not have a magnifying optic.
I can only imagine that the shot was not trivial.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 14 2024 16:26 utc | 80
1:25:00 onwards
Posted by: kspr | Jul 14 2024 16:40 utc | 89
Per the Guardian:
"President Joe Biden and vice president Kamala Harris are currently receiving an updated briefing on the Donald Trump assassination investigation in the White House situation room, per the pool.
The investigation is being led by the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, per people familiar.
The briefing is being provided by law enforcement and national security officials:
Attorney general Merrick Garland
Department of homeland security secretary Alejandro Mayorkas
FBI director Chris Wray
National security adviser Jake Sullivan
Homeland security adviser Liz Sherwood-Randall
US Secret Service director Kim Cheatle"
Just look at the that list of investigators!
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2024 16:42 utc | 90
Well, don't that just change the scenery?
Perfect. Trump wins.
And Trump now has a personal motivation to take all the guns away. And yes, I think he is that simple and easy to manipulate.
NEVER let a good crisis go to waste...
Posted by: saner | Jul 14 2024 16:43 utc | 91
@KMRIA | Jul 14 2024 15:43 utc | 50
Thanks. Good, realistic post.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 14 2024 16:45 utc | 92
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2024 16:31 utc | 83
So you assume because his ear was hit that that is where the shooter was aiming?
What about the alleged hole in his jacket?
In my limited knowledge, shooters are taught to aim for the body as it is easier to hit.
Posted by: genuinely curious | Jul 14 2024 16:40 utc | 87
Fine. What fucking difference does that make?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2024 16:46 utc | 93
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 14 2024 16:26 utc | 80
He does a summation @ 2:26:00 that hits the high points.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 14 2024 16:46 utc | 94
Anyone hear what happened to Trump?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 14 2024 16:47 utc | 95
Trump rally victim named as former fire chief Corey Comperatore as family say he died shielding daughter from bulletsA FORMER fire chief has been identified as the victim who was shot dead during Donald Trump's assassination attempt on Saturday.
Corey Comperatore, the former fire chief for Buffalo Township, died protecting his daughter from bullets at the rally. (...)
The victim's brother posted to Facebook on Sunday morning, grieving the loss of his "baby brother."
"The hatred for one man took the life of the one man we loved the most," he wrote in the post.
"He was a hero who shielded his daughters. His wife and girls just lived through the unthinkable and unimaginable. (...)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29213227/donald-trump-rally-shooting-victim-update/
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 16:47 utc | 96
"In my limited knowledge, shooters are taught to aim for the body as it is easier to hit."
Right. But blasting someone's brains out is more fun.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 16:49 utc | 97
So you assume because his ear was hit that that is where the shooter was aiming?
What about the alleged hole in his jacket?
In my limited knowledge, shooters are taught to aim for the body as it is easier to hit.
Posted by: genuinely curious | Jul 14 2024 16:40 utc | 87
Cops aim for the center of mass because it's big. An assassin will go for the head because there's a good chance the target is wearing body armor and there are usually obstacles in the way of the center of mass. Also, people shot in the body often survive. In either case, it was a windy day, and therefore a difficult shot regardless of aim point.
The wind guarantees that this was not a set up by the Trump team. There is no way that even the best sniper could be assured of a grazing shot.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 14 2024 16:50 utc | 98
Posted by: kspr | Jul 14 2024 16:40 utc | 89
Thanks. And to the other point, I think you're correct. He had either sub standard or slightly mis calibrated scope - OR - lack of sufficient shooting range practice (sniper training comparatively rare unless he did ROTC) and should be easy to investigate if formal, but nore likely intelligence trained off the record. He moved fast physically so he was likely out of breath and not a marksman with experience on moving targets.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 14 2024 16:51 utc | 99
Someone hinted to the fact that the flag above Trump gave a good orientation for snipers from where the wind blows.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 14 2024 16:52 utc | 100
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FWIIW,
Appears to be the second shot that hit Trump's ear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68pGAc5OGFQ
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 14 2024 14:02 utc | 1