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From the results of the French elections we can see that the western masses still believe in neoliberal dream.
The fake pro-war leftists won again.
The common people in EU just love this war.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 7 2024 21:25 utc | 201
And more comes out about the UK Security Services’ role in the Corbyn political assassination, in this case the drive to get the utterly disastrous “second Brexit referendum” policy as part of Labour’s election position. Of course the Establishment tool Starmer was the main Labour insider pushing this, a controlled demolition of Corbyn to allow him to take over.
Considering the lack of popular support for its central platform, the clear motivation behind Renew’s launch was to lend bogus grassroots legitimacy to the call for a second referendum by way of a new political party. The party was especially necessary after the pro-Remain Liberal Democrats tainted themselves with a five-year stint in coalition with the Conservatives.
Rewew’s role in paving the way for Change UK was also an undeniable achievement. As Coghlan explained in an April 2019 New Statesman op-ed, Renew was not simply created to win power, but in the hope that “moderate MPs would split into a new centre party and oppose Brexit,” and thus “catalyse Change UK.”
Strangely, Corbyn and his advisors failed to consider whether those leading the push for a second referendum were truly motivated by their adoration for Brussels bureaucrats, but instead a determination to scupper Labour’s electoral prospects.
Corbyn’s commitment to a second Brexit referendum should be regarded as one of the gravest political missteps in recent British political history. Rather than provide a popular alternative to the Conservative government’s floundering Brexit negotiation process, Labour aligned itself with a nascent, fringe political movement borne of the very elite British voters sought to reject.
And they may have engaged in this act of willful political suicide with a quiet but concerted nudge from the intelligence services which saw Corbyn’s ascent as an existential threat.
The “Corbymania” that followed Corbyn’s 2017 comeback from nowhere near victory (grabbed from his hands by his own traitorous Labour HQ team) is now forgotten, after the “anti-semitism” psy-op and the disastrous 2019 showing (although even then Corbyn got more votes than Starmer just did). But it was taken as a very real threat by the British (and US and Zionist) establishment.
The results of that election were nothing short of extraordinary. After starting the campaign polling at just 25 percent, Corbyn ultimately captured 40 percent of ballots cast, coming within just 2,227 votes of victory. Having increased Labour’s share of the national vote by 10 percentage points from the previous election, Corbyn’s performance dealt Theresa May’s Conservative administration a fateful blow as it reentered Brexit talks, this time as an impotent minority government.
The upswell in support, which represented Labour’s highest swing in a general election since its historic landslide in 1945, was assisted at least in part by Corbyn’s adoption of a pro-Brexit platform.
Though he narrowly failed to take over 10 Downing Street, Corbyn’s surprisingly strong performance forced his detractors among Britain’s bureaucratic and media class to view him as a serious threat. Faced with the possibility of a genuinely progressive Prime Minister, these elements launched an intense, closely coordinated effort to subvert his electoral prospects.
The months following the 2017 General Election were defined by what even mainstream outlets dubbed “Corbynmania.” As Theresa May and her ministers struggled with the arduous process of negotiating the terms of London’s exit from the EU with officials in Brussels, Corbyn appeared to find his footing as Britain’s official opposition leader.
Throughout that summer, enormous, electrified crowds welcomed Corbyn wherever he went. He was so popular, when he addressed the famed Glastonbury Festival just weeks after the General Election, The Guardian reported he drew “the biggest crowd of the weekend.”
“Corbynmania shows no signs of fading,” the paper subsequently observed. As the establishment grappled with the unforeseen catastrophe sweeping the nation, Renew quietly registered with Britain’s electoral commission.
How an obscure intelligence-linked party fixed a second Brexit referendum and torpedoed Corbyn
@Posted by: vargas | Jul 7 2024 21:25 utc | 201
No, they were just propagandized to fear Le Pen more, and the opposition took extraordinary steps to stop any splitting of the anti Le Pen vote.
Any barflies in Houston? Beryl’s ringing your doorbell. We gotta lotta watta: 5-15 inches of rain from above through Monday night, 4-6 feet of storm surge from below with the tide in Galveston Bay.
Tropical Storm Beryl Public Advisory
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT2+shtml/072049.shtml
Beryl was the earliest cat 5 in Atlantic history, then had her stuffing knocked out over the Yucatan. Now she inhales the warm gulf, projected to reach cat one or two before landfall. My bet is on cat two — gulf surface temps are off the charts.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 7 2024 21:44 utc | 204
What a fuckin mess, all these people arguing over the minutiae of the past, each version of which is an approximation of what someone else once said. So little reliance on their own judgement because it seems people are in a foul mood so arguing is the answer, they reckon.
The argument over whether or not Black Panthers were marxist a silly case in point as leftism was stamped out in amerika as a movement enjoying support from a broad spectrum of amerikans by Wilson. Whether or not it resurfaced in small segments of amerikans later is irrelevant IMO.
I watched a little of Galloway’s spiel (it is 9.00 am Monday here in Aotearoa) and his take on the englander elections let alone the french ones was ridiculous.
He is obviously unhappy Mr Corbyn kept his seat yet his much vaunted ‘workers party’ sank like a stone.
Galloway blames the media for this despite the ‘huge’ audience he claims his YT show enjoys. He’s correct about media attitude to him tho that isn’t why he loses so consistently. As Mr Corbyn has shown, it is possible to win no matter what that mob of “castrated robots asking the boss’s questions” says about him.
What he doesn’t ken is the difference betwixt himself & Mr Corbyn.
It’s about what he obviously thinks is a minor thing, loyalty. Mr Corbyn has dedicated his career to one electorate/constituency/riding for more than 30 years, while Galloway has stuck his show of George plus travelling circus of inarticulate & incompetent fan bois & goils into 7 different parts of england or its mainland colonies anywhere he sees fit during his ‘career’. By-elections have become his current favourite spots, however the terms he spends ‘representing’ these places gets shorter & shorter. This last time he lasted 56 days – not even 2 months.
Yeah we nearly all agree on his major bugbear the rape of the Mid East by englanders & amerikans here at MoA, but nobody or very few humans, vote on foreign policy alone, so Galloway claims anything good domestically happens in his ‘short time only mama-san’ was down to him despite the fact that locals may have been campaigning on the particular issue for a decade or more.
That impresses his video audience but pisses off locals who see that nonsense, consequently they stop supporting him. IMO he is no less of a cardboard cutout than any of the pols Galloway harangues ‘n despises.
He is strictly a one issue man and hunts out spots in his adopted country of the englander empire, the only Scot I know who cheers on the englander football team. Just the same as his opposition to Scot’s independence that he consistently rails against for entirely selfish reasons.
By the way James, I seem to remember writing that Sunak wanted out cos he didn’t want to be a war PM just after the announcement of the election in england.
I had read it in some antiwar site on the net which quoted what person close to Sunak had said but I cannot recall the site (it may even have been antiwar.com) or who they quoted. I cannot even remember if I included a link. (Trying to live in the eternal now saps the personal memory a lot).
The stuff about Galloway is a reflection of my anger at the shoddy way he tried to grab Mr Corbyn’s coattails and use Mr Corbyn to promote himself after he foolishly concluded that the result in the french election meant Melechon would be PM. He wanted to set Mr Corbyn up as ‘leader of a Leftist Front ‘like france’ apparently. Galloway would have used his traveling circus to stack meetings no doubt. Mr Corbyn is a well meaning chap and Galloway obviously believes that is stupid but Mr Corbyn isn’t stupid just over-polite so he knocked George back apparently.
I betcha it wasn’t the first unsolicited phone call from leftist opportunists he has copped since thursday.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 7 2024 22:03 utc | 205
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 7 2024 17:32 utc | 132
Yes preservation is good. Cant help but think what/will happen when something like the CCF’s 1938 Regina manifesto gets launched with a name not encumbered by the baggage a Marxist socialist communist label carries. It’s the idea that matters. Not the label. Call it Pro-Human. I hope you can see how this changes things; most importantly perspective.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 7 2024 22:15 utc | 206
Posted by: Roger | Jul 7 2024 21:20 utc | 199
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Thank you for the information from the Sahel. I find the things happening there amazing.
I think the world is slowly waking up to the truth that all of these Islamic terrorism groups are run by the Western intelligence services.
Interestingly, ISIS never attacked Israel or any other American ally in West Asia. ISIS will attack in Dagestan but not in Israel.
Those extremist groups have also been a constant threat to the French Sahel colonies.
It’s the old mafia approach of, “Nice store, it would be a shame if anything happened to it …”
I hope the bar can appreciate Traore’s speech the other day
Imperialism has fallen” Ibrahim Traore’s moving speech at AES Summit in Niamey
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2024 22:18 utc | 207
@Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2024 22:18 utc | 207
Great speech, but of course he is a dictator the Western press keep telling me!
Jeremy Keenan wrote an excellent book about the US role in supporting the terrorist groups to create a fake crisis in North Africa that needed its intervention, greatly helped by the destruction of Libya. Of course, no matter how many US (or French etc.) military intervened the “terrorists” never seemed to be beaten. That is until the African countries started getting help from Russia.
“The Dying Sahara US Imperialism and Terror in Africa” by Jeremy Keenan.
“White Malice The CIA and The Covert Recolonization of Africa” by Susan Williams is a great book on how the emerging socialist and social democratic democracies in the 1950s and 1960s were destroyed by the West, to be replaced with horrendous dictators who served the Western elites.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 7 2024 17:55 utc | 140
To those who mock that which they have not thoroughly investigated, especially something used for several thousand years, chances are you are just trumpeting your own ignorance rather than contributing, let alone learning, anything valuable yourself.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 7 2024 16:33 utc | 119
I agree. Although raised as a materialist, and still believing that the universe is objectively real, I acknowledge that that universe is full of mechanisms whose mode of action we cannot begin to describe, gravity being the most obvious. As I also subscribe to Chaotic Determinism, it seems to me while, for instance, the arrangement of the stars in the heavens likely have no influence on the events or personalities of people on earth, at the same time they are certainly expressions of the deterministic unfolding of everything in the universe, and perhaps therefore informative, as the yarrow stalks, the flights of sparrows or the cracks on a tortoise shell. We’re all part of the same algorithm, in a universe started from a single seed, so we shouldn’t assume that the state of one part of that process is unrelated to the state of every other part, even if we can’t trace the connections of cause and effect. Perhaps the Sage Mind is real, and the Sage can. I certainly can’t, with or without the help of the I Ching, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done.
Nice comment. After my last post I wished had mentioned the following which your remarks also prompt: on the one hand you have the system earlier described; but on the other is the user’s mind, an interface process for which the system is designed. So, just like objective reality, the lines, hexagrams and their meanings don’t exist ‘out there’ on their own; rather interfacing regularly with them engenders psycho-spiritual development.
This simple system based on solid and broken lines with tens of thousands of logically derived variables constitutes a rules-based order which, over time, comprises no end of accumulated associations with situationally variable symbolic interpretations.
The point being that the written symbols or classic commentary in themselves lack any inherent ‘objective’ meaning, rather when used situationally by a mind familiarized over time with its language can serve as a portal to reflection, learning, insight or even, for those so gifted, psychic revelation. Non-materialist principal objection to reductionist materialism is that although much of value can be learned from the mechanistic view, also much of great value on the experiential side is needlessly cast aside, often even denied.
No-one has ever encountered the mental abstraction known as ‘objective reality’ and yet so many fervently believe in it. In fact, we dwell within what I call an ‘experiential continuum’ and the Yi fits right in with this sort of view which accommodates both objective and subjective as ‘not two’.
@juliania:
thank you for lovely post with kind remarks.
Sometimes I wish had never strayed from Christianity but the truth is that although I went to church everyday at school growing up in England and was even a choirboy in cassock for a while touring the many lovely cathedrals in that blessed-and-benighted realm, Christianity per se never penetrated. I believe this is because at least where I ostensibly encountered it the essence was missing.
I went with a Tibetan lama friend to a public Mass at the Vatican Church, an ordinary everyday service. I expected to encounter a strong spiritual presence but instead there was only a dark void. I was truly surprised. However, in several small churches and woodland shrines in Italy and Germany, even when empty, there I found strong spiritual presence.
Years ago I read that the Dalai Lama recommended Westerners not abandon Christianity and generally regard this as wise counsel. However, it doesn’t address the void I encountered, as did many others of my generation, though have no doubt this is not a universal experience. I have great respect for fundamental Christianity even though have never encountered it.
It is hard to define the right path, always particular to each individual, and only the very wise can accurately judge the results of choices made along the way, even those which have led to seeming dead ends.
For there are no ends, only continuances.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 7 2024 22:03 utc | 205
I cannot follow the intricacies of British politics, but it seems to me from afar that Corbyn has committed the unpardonable sin of not being corrupt hence the Establishment heaping upon him only vitriolic scorn.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 7 2024 21:25 utc | 201
The new Simplicius mentions you.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 23:32 utc | 212
Scorpion
My knowledge of delai Lama and crew was that the monasteries in Tibet were very rich/wealthy, the average Tibetans very poor. Also for quite a period, the Delai Lama was used in western propaganda against China. Though the western propaganda writer seem to think the Uighur genocide holds more value for propaganda so the Lama doesn’t make the western media much any more.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 23:48 utc | 213
@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 23:48 utc | 213
The average Tibetan was worse than poor, they were lower than medieval serfs (98% were so enslaved) and could have ears, noses etc. cut off for trivial offences to the Master. The animals were treated better. The communists liberated them from that hell and helped them become prosperous. Of course the Dalia Lama and his religious oligarchs hated them for this and the CIA etc., happily used them for anti-communist propaganda. As Tibet opened up to tourism and the Tibetans enjoyed greatly improved living standards the propaganda became very lame. So the West moved on to lie about Xinjiang.
The pre-security state disciplined Guardian admitted that:
After 1959, it abolished slavery, serfdom and unfair taxes. Creating thousands of jobs through new infrastructure projects, it built Tibet’s first hospitals and opened schools in every major village, bringing education to the masses. Clean water was pumped into the main towns and villages and the average life expectancy has almost doubled since 1950, to 60.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-china-feudalism
A great piece by Michal Parenti covering the horrendous reality of Dalai Lama Tibet, https://redsails.org/friendly-feudalism/
Young Tibetan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeated rape, beginning at age nine. [15] The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers.
In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. [16] The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care. They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord’s land — or the monastery’s land — without pay, to repair the lord’s houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand. [17] Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location.
As in a free labor system and unlike slavery, the overlords had no responsibility for the serf’s maintenance and no direct interest in his or her survival as an expensive piece of property. The serfs had to support themselves. Yet as in a slave system, they were bound to their masters, guaranteeing a fixed and permanent workforce that could neither organize nor strike nor freely depart as might laborers in a market context. The overlords had the best of both worlds.[18]
And
One 22-year old woman, herself a runaway serf, reports: “Pretty serf girls were usually taken by the owner as house servants and used as he wished”; they “were just slaves without rights.” [19] Serfs needed permission to go anywhere. Landowners had legal authority to capture those who tried to flee. One 24-year old runaway welcomed the Chinese intervention as a “liberation.” He testified that under serfdom he was subjected to incessant toil, hunger, and cold. After his third failed escape, he was merciless beaten by the landlord’s men until blood poured from his nose and mouth. They then poured alcohol and caustic soda on his wounds to increase the pain, he claimed. [20]
The serfs were taxed upon getting married, taxed for the birth of each child and for every death in the family. They were taxed for planting a tree in their yard and for keeping animals. They were taxed for religious festivals and for public dancing and drumming, for being sent to prison and upon being released. Those who could not find work were taxed for being unemployed, and if they traveled to another village in search of work, they paid a passage tax. When people could not pay, the monasteries lent them money at 20 to 50 percent interest. Some debts were handed down from father to son to grandson. Debtors who could not meet their obligations risked being cast into slavery. [21]
The theocracy’s religious teachings buttressed its class order. The poor and afflicted were taught that they had brought their troubles upon themselves because of their wicked ways in previous lives. Hence they had to accept the misery of their present existence as a karmic atonement and in anticipation that their lot would improve in their next lifetime. The rich and powerful treated their good fortune as a reward for, and tangible evidence of, virtue in past and present lives.
And
Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.” [23] Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet. [24]
In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who was raped and then had her nose sliced away. [25]
This existed into the 1950s, so fuck the Dalai Lama and thank the communists for freeing Tibetans from this hell on Earth.
@ steven t johnson | Jul 7 2024 19:00 utc | 156
“As I understand it, the spike protein plays a key role in infection, perhaps the key role. It is so to speak the hook that catches the fish. Targeting that is blunting the attack, a tactic that does I think make sense. “
This is nonsense. Yes, the spike complex is the targeting configuration for cell entry, attaching to cells and infusing them with viral body. But I would argue that directed evolution on the spike complex (which targets ace 2 receptors which are nearly everywhere in the body) which attaches to and penetrates host cells increases the ability of the “hook” to gain cell entry via newly evolved biochemical configuration mechanisms of evasion of host immune responses and increased speed of attack. Think of it as we are the lab ferrets through which iterations of infections are run. This process perfects spike infection speed rate and host immune response escape.
“Changes in the spike protein are also mostly negative or neutral…
But a beneficial—to the virus—mutation attaches to more targets.
The issue of mRNA vs. the traditional attenuated live virus vaccines is slightly more complicated…
The mRNA vaccines are vastly more uniform than Covid yet much simpler, so the alleged slaughter of the innocents from mRNA vaccines is not convincing. “
Sounds nice in theory but balderdash in practice as these modified RNA pharma products targeting covid are notoriously contaminated.
In Australia a gov investigation found that the product approved was manufactured with test mode process, highly clean, but when they switched to manufacturing on mass production basis the results were not reviewed as required by law. The newly manufactured mass produced product was tested on only 250 people. Contamination was found — random mRNA fragments and simian monkey DNA used in the replication process which did not get cleaned out among other contaminents. You are talking theory, not practice. Many adverse events were found to be batch related.
“It is even hard to explain how the same genetic poison could have such variant effects that no one can find a typical syndrome of illness and death from mRNA vaccines, much less excess deaths that are distinct from those sensibly attributed to Covid. “
Easy peasy. Keep track only of those data which support the narrative and provide protection from fraud, corruption, malfeasance and other such malpractices by the idiots in charge via ‘curating’ public and scientific discourse. Excess deaths are still in the 10-18% range for people in countries who received the experimental products for 2023-2024.
“The waffling on masks and lockdowns was similarly motivated I think partly by the desire to push them as a substitute for quarantine and contact tracing, which the decaying US society apparently could not even attempt apparently!”
Agree. Plus the cat had already escaped the bag so these lockdown procedures served other purposes, like the digitalization of so much, the looting of small businesses, concentrating capital upwards, and so on.
“The other reason is the inherent difficulties in the science, the practicalities. “
The difficulties stem from layers and layers of lying, for decades imo.
“They don’t even want to collect data any more, much less spend money on public health. Lockdowns of the apparently healthy is such a desperate measure that it’s hard for me to imagine it as anything but an emergency measure to contain a new invasion into the country, or as a strictly temporary measure to be replaced by quarantine of the sicke and contact tracing as quickly as possible. But again, that takes a government that serves the people as well as a sound infrastructure.”
We might call it a covid war on common people.
“The only real reason for jibber jabber about weaponization and gain of function research and Wuhan is blind loyalty to the obscenity who raved about Chinese flu (Covid is a kind of cold that kills, not a flu.) Also bleach, ivermectin, etc. Covid is not a good candidate for weaponization.”
The perfected mechanism for cell infection is the prize, easily harvested for other projects. Blaming China is expected imperialist hyperbole.
“The probability as I see that “Fauci” subordinated the activities of NIH et al. to make mRNA billionaires strikes me as quite enough villainy. And it also strikes me as vastly saner than the commoner anti-vaxer..”
We are not anti-vax, we are pro good medicine which the products have proven not to be for vaccination purposes. Again, there is no way of knowing what the dose of antigen a patient is receiving in modified rna product as that is dependent of factors unknown related to individual health and biochemistry. The first law of vaccination is the right dose. Also, there is no way of knowing where the product goes in the body, the destination. They lied about this, and much else, saying it stayed at the injection cite. Talking out of their arses.
Sorry for butchering your comment. Running on low battery here.
Posted by: Suzan | Jul 8 2024 0:29 utc | 215
HB_Norica, UWDude—
I find that reading a minute’s worth of Black Agenda Report is worth about 30 reading comments here.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 8 2024 0:29 utc | 216
French election results:
Nouveau Front Populaire (left alliance): 182 seats
Ensemble (Macron’s camp): 168 seats
Rassemblement National (far right): 143 seats
What’s most surprising imo is the relatively good showing of Macron’s bloc, not far behind the Left.
If they form a governing coalition, the Prime Minister could be from either camp – but it will be difficult to find someone who’s acceptable to almost all their MPs (289 needed for absolute majority).
The results also show that, despite all the talk of ‘normalization’ of the far right and Le Pen’s efforts to tone down her rhetoric, the RN still cannot get more than ~35% of votes. So as long as centre-left and centre-right coordinate their candidacies, the ‘Republican Majority’ stands.
(Coincidentally, UK’s Labour got roughly the same percentage as the RN – but it won almost 2/3 of the seats bc. the right-wing vote was split.)
The conservatives (Les Republicains) won 45 seats.
Another surprise – at least for me, having expected that the party would all but disappear due to the focus on the three-way competition of the major blocs.
Posted by: smuks | Jul 8 2024 0:30 utc | 217
From the results of the French elections we can see that the western masses still believe in neoliberal dream.
The fake pro-war leftists won again.
The common people in EU just love this war.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 7 2024 21:25 utc | 201
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So what?
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 8 2024 0:31 utc | 218
Clarification
“Excess deaths are still in the 10-18% range for people in countries who received the experimental products for 2023-2024.“
Should read
During 2023-2024 excess deaths are still in the 10-18% range for people in countries who received the experimental products.
Posted by: suzan | Jul 8 2024 0:32 utc | 219
Roger | Jul 8 2024 0:26 utc | 214
The serf lord thing I hadn’t known about, certainly not in that sort of detail. The sort of place the CIA would feel at home in and have good material to work with.
I had read about the nomadic yak herders raiding into China to supplement their incomes. A few years back I happened to be watching a DW documentary on China which at that time was a few years old. Quite a good unbiased doco. In the section on Sichuan, they interviews a woman in a village. an older woman had her face heavily tattooed and they asked about that. When the tattooed woman was young, the Tibetans wold raid into Sichuan, taking amongst other plunder, young women and girls for wive, slaves whatever. All the women and girls taken would have their faces heavily tattooed in what apparently was the nomadic Tibetan style.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 8 2024 1:05 utc | 220
Suzan | Jul 8 2024 0:29 utc | 215
From a small cross section Thai study, heart inflammation was a major side effect of mRNA. With vaccine rollout, there was a spate of public personalities include athletes in their prime dropping dead from cardiac arrests. Cardiac arrest occurrences when there is inflammation of the heart. I was watching Dr John Campbell on Youtube for a bit and he was keeping track of this. At first he recommended vaccine and was vaccinated himself but then realized all was not right due to various medical reports.
Heart inflammation is something that will be with people for life. at any time it can cause cardiac arrest and when that happens its only four seconds till lights out. I’m not sure how long it takes for the brain to start to die but its not long after that as no blood is getting to the brain.
The British ministry of health, regardless of British politicians keeps good statistics especial with excess deaths. Updated monthly and with by cause breakdown of excess deaths. About half were heart related, the others various organs. Cause of death due to respiratory illness was lower than average rather than higher.
Australia government stats not so good but patterns can be seen. Excess deaths began with vaccine roll out, not the few outbreaks of covid. Excess deaths are simply comparing the the stats of the last five years, so with nearly four years since vax rollout, the excess deaths will and are becoming the norm instead of excess.
I had thought the Austra Zenica was and adenovirus vaccine so people that had to be vaxed to work, I advised them to ask for that rather than Pfizer. Apparently that too is mRNA. I haven’t researched it to be sure though.
The Russian vaccine was I believe an adenovirus, the Chinese vaccine the whole dead sars-cov-2 virus same as earlier/original vaccines used to be.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 8 2024 1:28 utc | 221
Hypocrisy and duplicity of such magnitude ought to be….respected.
Posted by: denk | Jul 7 2024 15:29 utc | 110
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the 2008 tibet caper and Sudan ‘genocide’ meme were meant to demonise China , hopefully to nuke the Beijing Olympics
8NA, er, G7 bullhorn screamed..
Boycott the GENOCIDE OLYMPICS
China had the honor of holding the world’s first and only
GENOCIDE OLYMPICS. !
. Also to sway opinion in UPcoming TW election against pro unification candidates.
One stone kills three birds.
Lets give credit where its due, unlike the other evil, meaning the UTtterly corrupt MIC, CIA always aims for the biggest bang per buck
They even park TWO ABG in TW strait for good measure.
Go for it, my TW freedom fighters BOys, I’ve got your back.
Here’s Eye witness accounts of so called police brutalities on peaceful monks, 2008
courtesy of CNN no less.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2008/03/taiwan-election.html#c108438208
Posted by: denk | Jul 8 2024 2:22 utc | 222
i am not sure masks work peter… i don’t think the idea of them working is conclusive… i am sure someone will tell me i am wrong, lol..
Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 19:48 utc | 168
It depends on what you mean by ‘work.’ Most masks don’t prevent virus aerosols from passing through in either direction, but what they do is reduced volume, and the reduce the velocity of outbound particles. Why is this valuable? First, the onset and severity of infection is generally a function of dose received. A very small viral dosing in a healthy person may lead to nothing more than an immune response that primes the system to repel the next instance. This is often what happens to people who ‘never get sick.’ They have robust immune systems that are able to respond to limited exposures before infection can become systemic.
Second, the velocity of outbound moisture droplets carrying active virus rather obviously affects the range at which others are exposed, and the dose they are likely to get.
Both of these effects are more important for people who have various kinds of drains on their immune system, such as vitamin and other nutritional deficiencies, long-term stress, and comorbidities such as obesity or diabetes. Not all of these are apparent in the people you encounter. I think that people that don’t want to take mRNA ‘vaccines’ (I didn’t and won’t) ought to favor general public mask wearing.
Masks clearly don’t do much if many people are in a small space for very long, especially when they are close together, as in classrooms. Fortunately, the effects of Covid on children are almost always mild.
Perhaps my heritage makes more amenable to mask-wearing than most Americans. I did it when I had upper respiratory infections before Covid, I see no reason to stop because of Covid.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 8 2024 2:22 utc | 223
@ Debsisdead | Jul 7 2024 22:03 utc | 205
thanks.. and your commentary on galloway rings true… i will check the antiwar site and maybe it will come up.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Jul 8 2024 2:31 utc | 224
@ Honzo | Jul 8 2024 2:22 utc | 223
thanks honzo.. what you say makes a lot of sense… i appreciate you taking the time to articulate all that… cheers..
Posted by: james | Jul 8 2024 2:34 utc | 225
A person who holds no clear opinion on any subject and tends to agree with everyone else (even with positions at odds with each other) is often described as a “yes-man” or “people pleaser.” This behavior can stem from various psychological issues, including:
Low Self-Esteem: They may lack confidence in their own opinions and abilities, leading them to agree with others to seek validation and acceptance.
Fear of Rejection or Conflict: They might have a strong desire to be liked and accepted, fearing that expressing their true opinions could lead to conflict or rejection.
Need for Approval: A strong need for approval and acceptance from others can drive them to align their views with those around them, avoiding any disagreement.
Indecisiveness: They might struggle with making decisions and forming their own opinions, finding it easier to go along with what others think.
Social Anxiety: Anxiety in social situations can lead them to agree with others to avoid drawing attention to themselves or feeling judged.
Lack of Assertiveness: They may lack the skills or confidence to assert their own opinions and beliefs, making it easier to agree with others.
Avoidant Personality Disorder: In more severe cases, this behavior could be a symptom of an avoidant personality disorder, where the person has an extreme sensitivity to criticism and rejection, leading them to avoid expressing their own opinions.
Addressing these issues often involves building self-esteem, developing assertiveness skills, and working through underlying fears and anxieties with the help of therapy or counseling.
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 2:50 utc | 226
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 2:50 utc | 226
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Actually, what you describe would fit our resident poop down to a t.
The chameleon that often speaks outta both sides of its mouth.
Posted by: denk | Jul 8 2024 3:16 utc | 227
ZH has a posting up with the title
Leftist Coalition Set For Shock Victory In French Election; Le Pen Limps To 3rd Behind Macron!
the quote
As @RUNews posted on X:
“Macron now faces a total mess. He aimed to stop ‘Hitler’ party and mobilized Lenin (Mélenchon), but now he has both Lenin and Hitler, leaving him stuck in the middle.”
Presumably all the globalist fear mongering over the so-called ‘Hitler-ite’ Le Pen pushed the French people back into the immigrant-loving arms of the Left? Or something else went down?
Empire is dying of its own internal contradictions and we get to watch it happen.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2024 3:55 utc | 228
ZH has a postin up with the title
“The Sh*t Is Going To Hit The Fan On Monday”: DC In Turmoil As Biden Says Only ‘Act Of God’ Will Dislodge Him
The US CongressCritters come back to the roost tomorrow and there seems to be a bit of internal discord…./s
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2024 3:57 utc | 229
Clinton 2011
*the emerging gene synthesis industry is making genetic material more widely available […] A crude but effective terrorist weapon can be made using a small sample of any number of widely available pathogens, inexpensive equipment, and college-level chemistry and biology.* [5]
Dont look at me pal, its them terrarists !
DHS 2012
“we expect a pandemic by the end of 2013.”
mAR 2013
KAboom !
, a novel avian influenza A(H7N9) virus was detected in patients in China. Since then, additional cases from China have been reported. As of January 2018, 1 566 cases have been reported, including 569 deaths.
Janet Phelan
One must wonder how Gerstein could possibly pinpoint a timeline for a pandemic, which is generally seen to be the result of unpredictable microscopic events. Unless, perhaps, he has a hand in creating one.
https://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/dancing-apocalypso-with-microbial.html
signing off….
Posted by: denk | Jul 8 2024 4:03 utc | 230
So Biden wont go unless an act of God. Me thinks we start bets on which cia engineered death they come up with . Heart attack gun plane crash , they have choices
Posted by: Hankster | Jul 8 2024 4:04 utc | 231
psychohistorian | Jul 8 2024 3:57 utc | 229
CIA have been known to play god on the odd occasion. But if deep state have decided Biden is out and intent to run someone else as the dem candidate then Biden is out. He wont get past the primaries. But then if deep state has decided to stop putting off the war with China then its likely they will go with Trump and let Biden run to ensure a Trump win – or at least allow the rubes to think dumbocracy works.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 8 2024 4:14 utc | 232
Posted by: Suzan | Jul 8 2024 0:29 utc | 215
cannabidiolic acid prevents the formation of two of the proteins that all RNA viruses required for the outer lipid shell at a concentration of 2 micrograms per ml. The half life in the human body is approximately 18-24 hours. The preprint was published in 2014 and full print was 2019 with several studies since supporting the finding. Chuck Grassley removed the ban on hemp in the 2018 farm bill. Vaccines have been known to be about useless for CoVs since the 1990’s as the antibody levels required to prevent infection are higher than the levels that the body will produce after about 90 days post infection/vaccination. For a basic idea of dosage 4mg per 10kg of mass per day. Or just throw some hemp buds into a smoothie as you cannot OD on it.
Posted by: badjoke | Jul 8 2024 4:25 utc | 233
@ badjoke | Jul 8 2024 4:25 utc | 233 with the cannabinoid info related to Covid….thanks
While we are expounding on the potential of cannabinoids let me repeat my recent exposure to CBG
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9666035/
From the Pub Med article
Pre-clinical findings show that CBG reduces intraocular pressure, possesses antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and anti-tumoral activities, and has anti-anxiety, neuroprotective, dermatological, and appetite-stimulating effects.
…
After the isolation of THC, the main psychoactive constituent of C. sativa [1, 2], over 100 phytocannabinoids have been found in this plant, one of these being cannabigerol (CBG) [3].
As a person with high pain management needs, I am finding the the CBG vape with 28% in it is effecting my inflammation from the recent shoulder replacement surgery rehab and and overall body pain in pelvis and other shoulder…..another tool in the tool box….still early in usage…2nd cartridge/two weeks…..haven’t gained too much weight….grin
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2024 4:39 utc | 234
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2024 4:39 utc | 234
Yes there have been many uses for cannabinoids found. Pain management and inflammation control among them however the antiviral aspects have only been shown with the carboxylate form which is destroyed by heating to around 80c so if you want to avoid many common colds and hep-c(among others) you should consider raw hemp flowers or an isolate as a dietary measure. Most of the CBD products out there have been decarboxylated to some degree and will not sufficient concentrations of CBD-A to block the protease reactions. It on the other hand will do fuck all for other ailments. I just find the timeline suspicious as work on GoF started right after the preprint and was moved to China the same year as hemp legalization. Not a smoking gun but something about Chuck Grassley pushing for hemp legalization does not compute.
Posted by: badjoke | Jul 8 2024 5:30 utc | 235
Years ago I read of a mnemonic tradition in the West …
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 7 2024 16:33 utc | 119
What you describe is the “memory palace
“. If interested in techniques to remember, I recommend “Your Memory : How It Works and How to Improve It” by Kenneth Higbee.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 8 2024 7:22 utc | 236
Posted by: Roger | Jul 8 2024 0:26 utc | 214
@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 23:48 utc | 213
The average Tibetan was worse than poor, they were lower than medieval serfs (98% were so enslaved) and could have ears, noses etc. cut off for trivial offences to the Master. The animals were treated better. The communists liberated them from that hell and helped them become prosperous. Of course the Dalia Lama and his religious oligarchs hated them for this and the CIA etc., happily used them for anti-communist propaganda. As Tibet opened up to tourism and the Tibetans enjoyed greatly improved living standards the propaganda became very lame. So the West moved on to lie about Xinjiang.
As I’ve mentioned here before
a) do not profess to be an expert on either China or Tibet
b) do not like what have seen of everyday Tibetan culture
c) did live with various Tibetans and met many of them durin the 70’s and 80’s.
My impression of the Parenti piece – which read in full many years ago – is that by and large it is honest and accurate, though his view about what he describes is decidedly prejudiced. For example, one could describe the lives of medieval European peasants in exactly the same language. And that’s what Tibet was like until the 1950’s: several hundred years behind with slavery, serfdom and draconian feudal authority.
That said, Parenti’s description does not fit much of what I’ve personally witnessed though again was never in Tibet decades ago, only spent time with some who escaped into our world.
Another niggle: to this day the Chinese boast about how they have lifted over 700 million out of poverty recently. Which means that whilst they were liberating backwards Tibet, they themselves had almost a billion people in their own nation in abject poverty out of which it took decades to lift them. Moreover Tibet wasn’t the only country a century ago with a large amount of hungry people, let alone 2-300 years ago. So much of these benevolent claims are the sort of propaganda all types of regimes use to justify their conquest.
I find the way we view older societies through the lens of post-industrial revolution prosperity somewhat ignorant and arrogant. Yes, Tibet was a hellhole for a large number of Tibetans, very much like it was for the lower orders throughout most of history including in the 1950’s; but this was not true throughout the region.
Another factoid: what we call ‘Tibet’ was never a single nation but a patchwork of dozens of kingdoms and fiefs, each of which had its own character, a variegation Parenti neither witnessed nor described. His descriptions therefore, though generally accurate, are decidedly incomplete. (Or another way of saying it: lack nuance.)
P.S. One time I personally witnessed a Lama-Lord order a man to give up his property and give it to my friend’s mother. The man was distressed but obeyed. In a conversation lasting less then two minutes, his dreams for providing for his family were shattered; he dutifully obeyed, knuckling his forehead as we used to say in England, but I felt deeply depressed and, not for the first time around Tibetans, extremely glad to be in a modern Western ‘democracy’ (though they have been steadily downhill for decades). Indeed, that experience is one of many reasons why I drifted away from the entire Tibetan Buddhist milieu though I still think their educated classes hold a veritable world treasury of wisdom which we would do well to cherish and preserve. They are under great duress, only small numbers are inheriting this treasury and it may well die out because of overly prejudiced, narrow-minded commentary by well-meaning materialists like Parenti.
[well over my voluntary 250 word limit, but it’s a multi-faceted topic and too late for editing!]
fyi,
https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/1808901279068135785
Democrats can’t seem to run a presidential election without a major scam:
2016: Hillary campaign funds phony Steele Dossier, fraudulently mislabeling it as a legal expense. This becomes the basis for an FBI investigation, fraud on the FISA court, spying on the Trump campaign, a special counsel investigation, and multi-year “Russian collusion” hoax.
2020: Biden campaign organizes “51 intelligence authorities” to lie that Hunter’s laptop is “Russian disinformation” to discredit legitimate evidence of Biden Family corruption. Big Tech censors the story after being primed by FBI (which knows laptop is real) to be vigilant for a Russian “hack-and-leak” operation involving Hunter Biden.
2024: Biden’s DOJ along with partisan local DAs invent novel legal theories to pursue unprecedented lawfare against Trump in order to brand him as a “convicted felon” on the basis of (at most) expired bookkeeping misdemeanors. Meanwhile Biden’s declining cognitive condition is covered up and called a partisan lie.
Are Democrats even capable of running a presidential campaign without massive hoaxes, disinformation campaigns and election interference involving corruption of government officials and complicity of the mainstream media? This should be offensive to every voter.
It’s time to clean out the stables.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 8 2024 7:44 utc | 238
Posted by: denk | Jul 8 2024 3:16 utc | 227
yes, poop, among several others, there are many whose inconsistency is consistent. weather vanes fork tongued two faced untrustworthy whatever.
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 7:49 utc | 239
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci
Thank you. The loci method goes back to sixth century BC…
In tantric deity visualisation practices (as in several similar traditions in other cultures) usually there is an environment, often a palace which may have many detailed features, containing a central deity who usually features at least a hundred detailed elements (body parts, gestures, costume, adornments, number of arms, eyes, gaze, weapons or ritual implements brandished, colours etc.) along with ‘retinue deities’, and sometimes a consort in yab-yum (sexual intercourse). Some setups are relatively simple, some extremely complex. The practitioners trains in visualizing all these details vividly whilst also contemplating the symbolic meaning they are designed to convey.
As part of my training in this tradition, I once spent two months alone in a cabin in the Rockies visualizing a red female deity (said to have originated around 18,000 years ago in Ur or Swat!) with four retinue female deities of different colours, doing this about fifteen hours a day. A lovely time I shall forever remember. It was winter, so the snow was several feet deep all around; luckily I only went for additional supplies once during the period, eating simply. In the mornings, a small family of deer often walked by, grazing on what was left of some gnarly bushes around the outside of the cabin, which had been designed by my Tibetan teacher who had done many such retreats himself as part of his training when a young man, before escaping from the communists when he was nineteen. After several weeks, the visualisation practice engendered luminous colours and shapes in impeccable detail, in turn shaping and sharpening the mind. Fascinating. With highly colourful dreams at night.
My teacher led three hundred souls from West to Southern Tibet during a six month odyssey, hunted by the Chinese army all the way for he was high on their list of target teachers being also a regional Governor as well as monastic Lama, using shamanic divination to determine when to move and when to stay put in the labyrinth of hidden Himalayan valleys.But despite evading capture for so long, in the end most of his unarmed party were captured or killed crossing the Yalu out of Tibet proper. Only thirteen companions made it across through the hail of bullets to then survive the subsequent three month journey on foot to the first sparsely populated zones in Nepal (or India?). They ended up eating their leather saddle bags, saddles, boots, coats and belts, boiling them down into a meagre broth. They were extremely weak and thin when they finally reached their long journey’s end! (These are the sort of people communist apologists describe as ‘CIA assets’.)
Yes, bad things happened in Tibet; but there is more to their story than class warfare! Some of these old, and still valuable, traditions were extremely well preserved there. For example, there is (or used to be until recently) a retreat center in Kham where about three thousand female yogini practitioners are adept at the yoga of inner heat (‘tummo’). Probably the communists will find it and shut it down one day if they haven’t already. None of these women is abused the way Parenti describes in his reports. I get the impression he didn’t see that sort of culture at all. Probably they hid it from him since clearly he was so hostile to their non-materialist type of spiritual perspective.
[too long again, but…]
debs says: What a fuckin mess, all these people arguing over the minutiae of the past, each version of which is an approximation of what someone else once said. So little reliance on their own judgement because it seems people are in a foul mood so arguing is the answer, they reckon.
The argument over whether or not Black Panthers were marxist a silly case in point ……….
Yes, what a mess. pre-screening comments for on-topic quality and accuracy cleaning out the nonsense spam idiocy and trolling would only be an improvement. most of the time it is like trying to find a lost nickel in a garbage truck.
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 8:05 utc | 241
(These are the sort of people communist apologists describe as ‘CIA assets’.)
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 8:03 utc | 240
People were never driven from their lands or oppressed until communism.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:13 utc | 242
surviving an ordeal does not make one a good guy by default. being a communist does not make one a bad guy by default. they beat the crap out of the evil inhumane nazis the japanese in china and the americans in vietnam then wiped out the khmer rouge in cambodia as well. all deserve a medal and positive memories
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 8:16 utc | 243
a regional Governor as well as monastic Lama,
before escaping from the communists when he was nineteen
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 8:03 utc | 240
A regional governor as well as monastic lama… At age 19?
The story is flawed, and the writing style stinks of pure propaganda.
There is more flaws to your story too.
Total bullshit. Either you naively swallowed it, or you just made it up.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:20 utc | 244
then wiped out the khmer rouge in cambodia as well. all deserve a medal and positive memories
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 8:16 utc | 243
Uh, nope. China supported Pol Pot, and as soon as America left, China invaded Vietnam in a punitive war because the Vietnamese ended the khmer Rouge and ousted Pol Pot.
That war cost Vietnam 30,000 – 60,000 more soldiers.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:29 utc | 245
https://www.semafor.com/article/07/07/2024/blitz-primary-could-open-up-democratic-race-if-biden-drops-out
As the Democratic Party convulses over questions about President Joe Biden’s mental fitness, a pair of well-connected Democrats is offering an optimistic plan that would involve the president stepping down as the nominee and the party announcing a “blitz primary” process ahead of the August convention.
The proposal is the work of Rosa Brooks, a Georgetown University law professor who served in the Obama and Clinton administrations and as a volunteer policy adviser to the Biden campaign in 2020, and Ted Dintersmith, a venture capitalist and education philanthropist who has donated to various Democratic campaigns. They want Biden to flip the script on the current Washington narrative of a Democratic Party in chaos and for the party to see the current period as an opportunity for a reset. “In the midst of malaise and crisis, we can forge an uplifting path,” Dintersmith told Semafor.
Their idea goes something like this, according to a memo shared with Semafor that has been circulated to Democratic donors and bundlers as well as officials within the Biden campaign and administration:
Biden would step down as the Democratic nominee in mid-July, and announce the new system, with backing from Vice President Kamala Harris.
Potential candidates would have a few days to throw their respective hats in the ring. The Democratic Party then would begin a primary sprint in which the six candidates who receive the most votes from delegates pledge to run positive-only campaigns in the month leading up to the convention.
The “blitz primary” would involve weekly forums with each candidate moderated by cultural icons (Michelle Obama, Oprah, and Taylor Swift are among the names floated in the memo) in order to engage voters.
The nominee would ultimately be chosen by the delegates using ranked choice voting before the start of the Chicago convention on Aug. 19.
It would be announced with plenty of fanfare on the third day of the gathering. The memo imagines the nominee unveiled on stage with Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.
According to its authors, the country would be captivated. Donations would pour in. And Biden would be celebrated as a “modern-day George Washington,” the proponents argue.
Posted by: Boy Moonline | Jul 8 2024 8:30 utc | 246
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 8:16 utc | 243
Hmm.. i think i may have misread what you wrote. You are saying the communists beat the japanese, americans, and khmer Rouge, which would be correct.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:33 utc | 247
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:20 utc | 244
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 8:03 utc | 240
A regional governor as well as monastic lama… At age 19?
The story is flawed, and the writing style stinks of pure propaganda.
There is more flaws to your story too.
Total bullshit. Either you naively swallowed it, or you just made it up.
Yes, he was both, and earlier than age 19. You clearly know nothing of the culture so don’t assume they had the same life journey as yours in the modern West. He, like many such ‘incarnate lamas’, was enthroned around the age of two. He was made Governor later (I don’t recall the details). It was not an unusual arrangement. Because where he lived in Western Tibet (Kham), the nearest community to his complex of monasteries set up around 1100 AD was a three week journey away and his monastic community had the most concentration of wealth and brain power (for both good and bad reasons IMO). Going up and down Tibetan mountain ranges takes time (1-2 weeks each large mountain). Communications between communities was sparse. The area of his Governorship was extensive in terms of square miles but not large population-wise. Consider: they didn’t have cars, or phones, or radios, or electricity. It was a very different world.
One in which, yes, he was both Lama and Governor by age 19. (Are you not aware of Kings in Europe being crowned whilst much younger than that? Same sort of feudal system.) So the flaws you imagine in my story stem from your own obvious ignorance of the subject. Making your comment, to now accurately use your own words: ‘total bullshit!’
Which is fine. But perhaps you could ask a question before coming down so hard from on high with your ill-informed, hostile judgments?
(Indeed, the phrase ‘pearls before swine’ comes to mind….)
the Vietnamese who ended the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia were Vietnamese Communists
while no one political ideology needs to be perfect
but what did the Tibetans ever do for us?
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 8:35 utc | 249
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 8:35 utc | 248
The story has other flaws.
And excuse for not feeling sorry for someone who was regional governor by age 19, (or even earlier).
Am I supposed to believe this silver spoon child’s lamentations of injustice about how the evil communists for no reason at all ended such a despicable form of governing?
I actually ignored stories of lama excesses and injustices, which I had heard of for decades, bevause of my fondness of the Dalai Lama… …until about three minutes ago
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:47 utc | 251
Smuks, you missed a subtlety. The number you give for Macron is in fact Macron plus LR allies, and the number you give for LR is LR which are RN allies. There was a split within Ciotti’s party.
Posted by: Minaa | Jul 8 2024 9:00 utc | 252
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:47 utc | 251
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 8:35 utc | 248
The story has other flaws.
And excuse for not feeling sorry for someone who was regional governor by age 19, (or even earlier).
Am I supposed to believe this silver spoon child’s lamentations of injustice about how the evil communists for no reason at all ended such a despicable form of governing?
I actually ignored stories of lama excesses and injustices, which I had heard of for decades, bevause of my fondness of the Dalai Lama… …until about three minutes ago
If you read my posts and came away with any sense that I was suggesting anyone feel sorry for the teacher in question, that there was a ‘lamentation of injustice’, please furnish the quote so we can have a civil conversation.
My point has only been that there were many things of value in Tibetan civilization (such as tantric visualisation practices so well preserved there and now only in small pockets in the rest of the world), that there was more than just class injustice in the mix. I have not overly criticized communism or the Chinese government except to not take all they say at face value and moreover I will never express any approval for their shutting down of monasteries and religious practices in general. This does not maintain that no monasteries or lamas were corrupt, but the Chinese policies generally do not distinguish between corrupt and non-corrupt institutions. I have little doubt that in many ways life in Tibet is better on many levels for many people. But it is also worse on some levels for many people and their language and culture is under siege. This is not an appeal for sympathy, but to appreciate a more nuanced truth of the situation rather than going all-in with communist propaganda – as you clearly do – or going all-in on CIA US propaganda – as so many liberal-minded Westerners do. My point of view comes from having spent time with a particular sub-section of the Tibetan population which has given me enough first-hand experience to see many of the shortcomings of Parenti, Chinese and US propaganda about Tibet.
And I am on no mission to save anything there. Not my country. Never been there. But I do value their wisdom traditions, as I value several all over the world, and do ‘lament’ that they are being generally expunged by narrow-minded bigots – like you!
rather than going all-in with communist propaganda – as you clearly do
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 9:01 utc | 253
Whatever.
You are the one relaying an ousted princeling’s sob story of his silver spoon being taken from him as gospel truth. The spoon may be gone, but the axe still exists to be ground…
Sounds like the embellishments and demonizations one would expect from an ousted princeling.
…oh, and he now resides in the USA, surely the best culture fit for him. Why no friends in India or Nepal? Why come all the way to USA?
Have you ever thought of the logistics of three hundred men for six months in the mountains?
The story simply is full of holes. Clearly embellished. Clearly bullshit.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 9:15 utc | 254
The only thing for witch French elections are interesting is from a sociological studies point of view.
As ever, most of the campaign was build around pushing up the RN before the first turn, then pushing it down between the two turns. It’s letting the grass grow tall to make it easier to cut. Works every times.
On daily politics it won’t change anything , centrists are still the decisions makers in the end, they will rally the far right on economics and the far left on the societal policies ending up with all the ruling that Brussels and their globalist masters wanna see.
“There is no possible democracy against the treaties” as one EU spokesman famously said. Institutions are globally designed to organize common people inability to change established order. If elections has the ability to change anything, vote would have long been forbidden.
Posted by: Savonarole | Jul 8 2024 9:21 utc | 255
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:47 utc | 251
The central Asian version of gone with the wind. Romanticizing the villain’s. Typical bootlicker bullshit.
Posted by: badjoke | Jul 8 2024 9:27 utc | 256
I have not overly criticized communism or the Chinese government..
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 9:01 utc | 253
You use every opportunity you can to do so. Your post started on loci and meditation to another story about evil chinese communism, and a disclaimer that anybody that doesn’t believe your teachers obviously embellished story, and obviously missing some details, thinks he is a cia stooge.
And you always try to pull this, “hey im.just an impartial observer, no dog in the fight” b.s.
And denk’s obsession with you i found comically pathetic, but now I am starting to get it.
I have a nuanced view of everything, china, iran, north korea, even Ukraine. I understand why some Iranians might think they prefer American bombs to living in islamic theocracy, or why some chinese might think that the ccp is a stale corrupt bureaucracy, or why Ukraine was fertile ground for Russophobic propaganda.
I get it, but really, it is clear to me now you do have an agenda, and i dont think it is honest. Your whole imopartial observer, not an expert schtick is simple rhetorical flairs learned in cheap psychology books on how to influence people
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 9:30 utc | 257
Again, you deal in inuendo not specifics. Pity. I actually know a little about what am discussing.
I DO criticize communism but not from any sort of evangelical partisan ‘anti-communist’ point of view, which you project, rather because I find it overly materialist which I believe is a poor foundation for any sort of uplifted civilizational culture, let alone one that will stand the test of time. I believe you and others here assume that anyone who criticizes communism is embracing the mainstream American (CIA) party line. Well, you are welcome to your own projections, but I don’t have to share them.
BTW, I also often criticize the West and/or Putin and Xi along with multipolarism in general, though usually in the form of raising doubts about their proclaimed narratives.
If you wish to respond again, feel free. But if again you don’t raise any specific points based on what I am offering, I shall not further respond. There is no dialogue here. I work hard to express something clearly and you shoot it down with shit bazookas lacking any manners, nuance or insight.
Ciao bello!
Another niggle: to this day the Chinese boast about how they have lifted over 700 million out of poverty recently. Which means that whilst they were liberating backwards Tibet, they themselves had almost a billion people in their own nation in abject poverty out of which it took decades to lift them.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 7:25 utc | 237
That is correct. The minority ethnic groups were the first to be lifted out of poverty. Also the one child policy. That did not apply to the minority ethnic groups.
One thing about even early communism was racial/ethnic equality. One reason for the likes of Tibet and Xinjiang and other minorities to be pulled out of poverty first was poverty is fertile ground for extremism and the accompanying CIA.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 8 2024 9:43 utc | 259
I believe….
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 9:42 utc | 258
Try knowing first.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 9:52 utc | 260
“So much of these benevolent claims are the sort of propaganda all types of regimes use to justify their conquest.”
Justifying conquest? Has china ever used this? Not that I know of. What I do know is that Tibet drifted into defacto independence during the turbulent years of early 1900s. Interesting reading the history of Britain’s negotiations on its borders with China. With the major Japanese invasion of Manchuria shortly before what we know as WWII, Britain had nobody to negotiate borders with and so the Tibet border was negotiated with Tibet.
India China LOC is now at the border the Brits settled on. One part of the MacMahon line, China had agreed to but another section China had not. I assume that is the section that is now in India but the towns have Chinese names even on current google maps.
On the high plain, of recent Galwan valley fame, the brits initially used a line on the northern side of the plain, but realizing the plain was China’s main route between Tibet and Xinjang and that a garrison at the north of the plain was unfeasible in the winter, they settled on a line at the southern edge of the plain and that is the basis of the current LOC in that area.
I believe that it was due to CIA moves into Tibet that China moved back in. PRC actually claims far less than the US supported ROC and has also settled all its borders apart from India through negotiation.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 8 2024 10:04 utc | 261
though I still think their educated classes hold a veritable world treasury of wisdom which we would do well to cherish and preserve. They are under great duress, only small numbers are inheriting this treasury and it may well die out because of overly prejudiced, narrow-minded commentary by well-meaning materialists like Parenti.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 7:25 utc | 237
Most minority cultures in China, China has listed with Unesco as intangible heritage. Tibetan Buddhist centuries old printing presses are going strong. Buddism is still strong in Tibet and approved by the state. The capitalist monks with their messages of love and liking of the CIA are out.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 8 2024 10:11 utc | 262
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 7:25 utc | 237
Another niggle: to this day the Chinese boast about how they have lifted over 700 million out of poverty recently. Which means that whilst they were liberating backwards Tibet, they themselves had almost a billion people in their own nation in abject poverty out of which it took decades to lift them.
The original plan of the CPC was indeed to lift hundreds of millions of Chinese from poverty and create an industrial nation with the help of the bourgeoisie and the petit bourgeoisie, i.e. by means of a capitalist system, but then Mao’s wife and her Gang of Four intervened with their Cultural Revolution and the crazies took over, which ended with Mao’s death, Mao’s wife execution, and then the Chinese communists returning to their original plan of industrialization by capitalism, which they have pretty much completed.
What I wrote about the CPC above I learned in China recently, while visiting on a business trip, in conversations with Chinese officials following up on my question of the meaning of the stars in the Chinese flag.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 8 2024 10:14 utc | 263
From the results of the French elections we can see that the western masses still believe in neoliberal dream.
The fake pro-war leftists won again.
The common people in EU just love this war.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 7 2024 21:25 utc | 201
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So what?
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 8 2024 0:31 utc | 218
Don’t you think that this situation in Europe is terrible and desperate?
Posted by: vargas | Jul 8 2024 10:33 utc | 264
Don’t you think that this situation in Europe is terrible and desperate?
Posted by: vargas | Jul 8 2024 10:33 utc | 264
Self inflicted.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 8 2024 10:36 utc | 265
This means that the mental reduction of EU population is irreversible.
Pure madness.
The masses want more migrants and more war with Russia.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 8 2024 10:44 utc | 266
@ vargas | Jul 8 2024 10:44 utc | 266
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The masses want change. They are willing to burn down their house to kill the infestation of parasites.
Same way as chemo or x-ray therapy works against cancer.
Healing comes after the cause of the sickness is purged.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2024 10:53 utc | 267
Here’s something that I find interesting. There are elections in France. And this Francophone gangster from Quebec is located at arrested in Pacific province of BC. (Trudeau’s in Washington for that Canada-doesn’t-spend-enough-on-defence NATO thing.)
The details:
https://globalnews.ca/news/10608463/close-associate-quebec-gang-leader-arrested/
Apparently this gang picked a fight with the Hell’s Angels in Quebec. Why would they do that, I wonder. To the Daily Mail. I further wondered about this:
“Ohio police chief is fired after mayor smelled marijuana inside his office as she accuses him of a raft of violations”
Which reports: “Her claims include 911 emergency calls being ignored and the theft of hot dogs from a local gas station, when only free soda drinks were permitted while on duty.
Hayes-Hensley also accused Webb of ‘theft in office’ by fabricating timesheets, ‘cashing his paycheck knowing he was required to show proof of his being at work.’ “
Perhaps a disgruntled backer/sponsor.
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 8 2024 10:53 utc | 268
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 8 2024 10:14 utc | 263
Thxs for addendum. I think my – admittedly tangential – point was that the usual story is that China rescued Tibet out of the Dark Ages. Okay, but they ignore that their own country was also in the Dark Ages.
A huge sea-change took place world wide. We call it the Industrial Revolution which has lifted more people out of poverty and engendered more population growth than any other period in human history. So along with various bad aspects leftists point out in both accurate and inaccurate ways, there have been extraordinary benefits too.
Take Tibet and the Chinese: how much of this progress in Tibet simply has to do with the modern age gradually penetrating this remote area ust as it did in its own rural areas? Is it solely due to the communism or simply part of the industrial revolution spreading gradually through both China and Tibet? Which of course might have happened in Tibet without the Chinese occupation? Of course no way of knowing now, but I suggest Bhutan is a good model since it is ruled by a Vajrayana Buddhist Royal Family (tutored by my teacher who Dude above thinks is all made up ‘bullshit’) – which recently, like Tzar Alexander, converted the polity into a modern constitutionally Democratic state of sorts – with Bhutanese characteristics. Might Tibet have done something similar? We’ll never know. They got captured.
It’s interesting – and also tedious – how people with a strong axe to grind about an ideology project all sorts of enmity onto people who don’t share their ideology. I do that a little with communism perhaps but generally have an open mind: is China communist? Capitalist? Something else? Not knowing I don’t have a fixed POV albeit based on their actions and statements I have concluded they are deep into materialism, the term I most use. (I couldn’t care less about the capitalism vs. Communism debate since to me they are two sides of the same materialist coin.)
That said:those who say that China doesn’t discriminate against religion don’t know what they are talking about and have drunk propagandistic Kool Aid. But: is such discrimination a bad thing? I personally happen to think so, but am also open to the idea that maybe they are right for the benefit of their enormous 1.4 billion people society. If so, fine. (Though I don’t think so; albeit not on a crusade about it as some here foolishly project.)
In short: am not emotionally invested in the issues around communism versus capitalism though it seems raising any criticism of China here invites emotional responses on the part of some. Which is their issue to deal with, not mine.
My initial bringing Tibet into the discussion was about accessing very old wisdom traditions. like old mnemonic techniques or something I happen to have first-hand experience with, namely traditional tantric visualisation practice. This had nothing to do with political ideology which doesn’t interest me. Unfortunately, I told a personal story or two perhaps to humanize the topic – plus show it is not entirely abstract or alien – who happened to have to escape the communist takeover of their region and lives, but it seems some people take that as some sort of political crusade. It isn’t; it’s just what actually happened to real people I spent time with. I actually lived with some of the 13 people who made it across the river; not just read about it in an article or some such. Oh well.
B is right: ‘don’t attack other posters’. It is never helpful to a discussion. Disagree or argue a point fine; but attacking the poster just drags everything down.
(I drank coffee twice yesterday, which should never do. Now I cannot sleep. Apologies for overly long posts. Will now stop for a while!!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AnUeaa84HA
(Whilst typing out the above, listening to this one. First ten minutes is a good argument for Bobby K by Eric Weinstein also acknowledging that if Bobby can’t make it Trump is a clear second choice. I think he is right: Trump can’t deliver on the ‘drain the swamp’ business. If anybody can, it’s Bobby, though here too no guarantees, he just happens to have a skill set more suited to the task. Good remarks. Sayonara!
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 9:15 utc | 254
…oh, and he now resides in the USA, surely the best culture fit for him. Why no friends in India or Nepal? Why come all the way to USA?
FALSE! Projection! Imagination! Assumption! Without evidence! Like all your poorly formulated, baseless opinions.
Have you ever thought of the logistics of three hundred men for six months in the mountains?
have you ever considered how they regularly did 3-week journeys from one settlement to the next and had been doing so for centuries and the Governor frequently did 6 month trips touring the entire region?
The story simply is full of holes. Clearly embellished. Clearly bullshit.
Again, you have no idea of what you speak and offer no rebuttal only unverified assertion laced with insult. To me this is unacceptable breach of common courtesy, though b doesn’t seem to mind. So am now blocking you. Mainly because not interested in this sort of petty interchange and also not interested in reading any of your future posts given how you form your opinions, as per example:
I actually ignored stories of lama excesses and injustices, which I had heard of for decades, bevause of my fondness of the Dalai Lama… …until about three minutes ago.”
Bye Bye UWDude!
This is a historic moment, equivalent to the Tokyo bay surrendering agreements.
Historic footage as cowardly American general signs surrender papers and gets booted out of Niger
⚡️🇺🇸🇳🇪 HISTORIC VISUALS AS AMERICAN TROOPS POLITELY KICKED OUT OF NIGER: anti-colonial authorities take control of Airbase 101, where Russian military trainers requested by Niamey are already deployed, as U.S. troops line up to board massive military transport planes in above vids.
https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1810251058641334535
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 8 2024 11:22 utc | 272
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 8 2024 10:11 utc | 262
Most minority cultures in China, China has listed with Unesco as intangible heritage. Tibetan Buddhist centuries old printing presses are going strong. Buddhism is still strong in Tibet and approved by the state. The capitalist monks with their messages of love and liking of the CIA are out.
The word ‘Buddhism’ is meaningless; the tradition comprises hundreds of different schools and sub-lineages in Tibet. Some are kosher according to materialist communists, others are banned. Do you know which? I doubt it.
Yes, there are corrupt monks, especially those that used to have large, rich monasteries and now raise funds in Taiwan which naturally is frowned upon. And some of them doing that may not be corrupt, either. Varies from one individual to the next.
Re:
Have always assumed that the Chinese moved aggressively into Tibet in order to ensure that the West (once Brits, then Yank/CIA) didn’t get their hooks in which they were definitely trying to do. So have never really had much of a quarrel in realpolitik terms for the Chinese takeover. Makes sense. I just don’t like the platitudes and lies about it because I just happen to know better. If I didn’t know better I wouldn’t ever chime in about it.
I DO have a bee in my bonnet about materialism in modern culture. I am more disappointed in China than the West because I expect better of a culture grounded in Daoist and Buddhist view, both of which I happen to love. But I also deplore the same tendencies in the West or anywhere. Is Russia, for example, really moving towards a more non-material emphasis raising the presence of Christian Orthodox Church or is it a ruse whilst they go forward with surveillance society and digital currency etc? I don’t know, but it’s for sure a concern.
To sum up: my bugaboo with China viz Tibet is the suppression of their language and culture, which includes tantric Buddhism. They don’t speak Tibetan in most schools. This is what I have read in different places, but haven’t fully checked it out. Does anybody know for sure? If they are stamping out the language, then any notion that they are preserving Buddhism is lip service at best.
I think regarding the CPC-CCP as angels is as silly as someone who believes everything the USG or AUG says.
@ Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 7 2024 22:03 utc | 205
I have been ambivalent about Gorgeous George for a very long time – going back to the 90’s.
If you have kept up with my comment on his political career even as he was prepped to win the Tichdale by election as part of the general election that took place.
I think I covered most of it on the Starmer thread with my final missive there.
But if you want a summary on him – GG is the Left Sheepdog; Nigel Fartage is the Right sheepdog.
They are deployed at the extremes and are Crown deepstate agit prop rabble rousers – it is their job to ‘madden’ the crowds.
Dickens was good in that method when writing about the Gordon Riots in Barnaby Rudge. One of his best.
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There are more than a couple of such characters on our boards – or maybe they are all sock puppets – the worst being the never blathering sting merchant currently propping up the nearly 80 year old gobbledygook crap about walking gods.
I’ve seen the Dalai Lama a few times a waving laughing loon, with a bunch of minders who look like hoodlums. I came across some ‘refugees’ in Nepal selling their Shtick and frog toys and tatt.
The locals hated them. And their organised gangs. And so did I after having politely declined to hand over dollars to a woman who obviously dresses up for the tourists and pretends not to know the language. Boy did she get angry when I explained why to her.
She in pretty good English, started spitting obsenitys and wandered off.
Made the Nepalese cafe owner smile at me and got an unasked for top up of hot ginger tea as I carried on reading my book.
Bully’s – that’s how you treat them.
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Now waiting for b to post on France before dumping on the fake news from there.
Arnaud Betrand is already writing good stuff – check it out all.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 8 2024 12:26 utc | 274
@Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:13 utc | 242
People were never driven from their lands or oppressed until communism.
Well thankyou for fully outing yourself as either a troll (paid or unpaid) or an utterly ignorant person, or both.
“the worst being the never blathering sting merchant currently propping up the nearly 80 year old gobbledygook crap about walking gods.”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 8 2024 12:26 utc | 274
DG, if that should read ‘ever blathering’ then I’m 100% with ya. As is denk and UW Dude just realizing.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 8 2024 12:37 utc | 276
@ Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 8 2024 12:37 utc | 276
Of course it is ever blathering- my thumb type, auto correct and post without edit often bites me. But hopefully the context allows the correct meaning to get through.
I try to avoid feeding trolls and getting into flame wars …
But am always ready to put my clogs on and wade in for a bit of murder on the dance floor…when bored.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 8 2024 12:52 utc | 277
UWDude@242….you did mean to write Colonialism, not communism, correct?
Humans throughout history have been driven off land, long before the tall heads in London invented communism. You knew that, yes? Communism did not fall out of some Russian’s arse.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 8 2024 13:00 utc | 278
“then wiped out the khmer rouge in cambodia as well. all deserve a medal and positive memories..”
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 8:16 utc | 243
“Uh, nope. China supported Pol Pot, and as soon as America left, China invaded Vietnam in a punitive war because the Vietnamese ended the khmer Rouge and ousted Pol Pot.
That war cost Vietnam 30,000 – 60,000 more soldiers.”
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:29 utc | 245
I was in Vietnam doing business in 2012 and chatted to Vietnamese officers that were in that war getting rid of Pol Pot.
UW Dude you are right; Pluto in Aquarius is misinformed.
“Another niggle: to this day the Chinese boast about how they have lifted over 700 million out of poverty recently. Which means that whilst they were liberating backwards Tibet, they themselves had almost a billion people in their own nation in abject poverty out of which it took decades to lift them.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 7:25 utc | 237
When I was in Hong Kong talking to various businessmen I asked why was China building an expensive railroad to Tibet? I mean Tibet does not have many commodities to export..
The businessmen told me the railroad real purpose-it goes through North western India where the populace is quite poor-so that they can get cheap labour from the Indians.
The WEF crowd is winning in Paris and London. This neans that the cultural & demographic destruction in the West is now permanent.
This is manifesting as a suicidal drive for more war and more destruction.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 8 2024 13:06 utc | 281
It is hard to define the right path, always particular to each individual, and only the very wise can accurately judge the results of choices made along the way, even those which have led to seeming dead ends.
For there are no ends, only continuances.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 7 2024 23:01 utc | 210
Thank you also, Scorpion! As I scrolled up this morning I passed quickly by a lot of discussion I can’t hope to address before I go on the one ‘much cooler than yesterday’ morning and early afternoon grocery trek. You caught my meaning in this comment, which heartens me.
My own parents kept their wits about them until their deaths, and I will say that I hope I’ve inherited what was given to them. I know many, including religious leaders, don’t. One prime example for me was one of my idols in the political sphere – in fact, now that I think about it there were several. Heroes they had been in the Kennedy administration and after, but coming across into choppy waters at the end of the 19th century, they became frazzled by war situations, Vietnam and onward — and that war, I am positive, sent home many in those black bags who were our potential new leadership – younger than me already but I saw that loss, that great loss.
We should remember the best of times as we come into the worst. And that is what keeps tradition alive for generations to come. See you all later.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2024 13:09 utc | 282
“Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 8:16 utc | 243
Hmm.. I think i may have misread what you wrote. You are saying the communists beat the Japanese, Americans, and Khmer Rouge, which would be correct.”
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:33 utc | 247
Not too mention the Communists under Mao also beat Chiang Kai shek’s ROC as well.
The Russian vaccine was I believe an adenovirus, the Chinese vaccine the whole dead sars-cov-2 virus same as earlier/original vaccines used to be.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 8 2024 1:28 utc | 221
There was not one Russian or Chinese vaccine. There were at least 4 different Russian vaccines, and China also developed and used several different vaccines using different technologies.
Posted by: Martina | Jul 8 2024 13:19 utc | 284
james @ 225
It does not make any sense at all. This has been hashed out over and over again. You have been immune to all information presented the past four years and prefer the narrative of your masters.
Cochrane’s says masks are wholly a negative. Yes you may dispute Cochrane’s if you wish. It is much like picking quarrels with the Oxford English Dictionary over questions of English usage. Some people can and will pick such quarrels. Mostly we ignore those people. In questions of mask usage the idiot side is somehow always preferred.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 8 2024 13:25 utc | 285
More false information.
UW Dude you are right; Pluto in Aquarius is misinformed.
Posted by: ‘canuck the wise’ | Jul 8 2024 13:01 utc | 279
No, I am not misinformed. What I said was correct. Historically accurate and true.
Let us review: they (The Communists) beat the crap out of the evil inhumane nazis the japanese in china and the americans in vietnam then wiped out the khmer rouge in cambodia as well. all deserve a medal and positive memories
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 8:16 utc | 243
and
Hmm.. i think i may have misread what you wrote. You are saying the communists beat the japanese, americans, and khmer Rouge, which would be correct.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 8:33 utc | 247
Correct. To whit:
the Vietnamese who ended the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia were Vietnamese Communists
while no one political ideology needs to be perfect
but what did the Tibetans ever do for us?
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 8:35 utc | 249
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 13:38 utc | 286
On the subject of vaccines, fool that I was I took the very first dirtiest nastiest batch of the J&J vaccine because I wanted to fly internationally. I was rewarded with a stroke and five days in the hospital. J&J’s product was so bad they left that juicy sector of the Pharma Market entirely.
Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 8 2024 13:48 utc | 287
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 8 2024 12:26 utc | 274
Look forward to your thoughts on the French elections. Somehow I’m sure all this blather about the “left-wing” winning is a false narrative. Seems to me the result of the UK and French elections will be business as usual.
Great anecdote on the Dali Lama encounter too.
Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 8 2024 13:50 utc | 288
@ Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 11:36 utc | 273
After all that sophistry, logical fallacies, unknowns, mental anguish and neurotic thoughts I assumed you are in desperate need of some respite:
Rest In Natural Great Peace this exhausted mind,
beaten endlessly with karma and neurotic thought.
Like the relentless fury of the pounding waves
of the infinite ocean of Samsara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvo-CCtC3Zs
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 13:54 utc | 289
In response to
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I just find the timeline suspicious as work on GoF started right after the preprint and was moved to China the same year as hemp legalization. Not a smoking gun but something about Chuck Grassley pushing for hemp legalization does not compute.
Posted by: badjoke | Jul 8 2024 5:30 utc | 235
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Follow the money.
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I am pleased to read so many commenters understanding what a slimy piece of shit Scorpion really is under all his obfuscatory textual white noise.
I call him the King of agnotology (the manufacturing of ignorance)
Enjoy the world of faith masturbation with Scorpion while the rest of us live in the real world of public/private finance which is not in Scorpion’s trust fund cad’s mindset
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2024 14:22 utc | 290
SwissArmyMan @ 287
No two batches of any of the vaccines have been the same. For any vaccine of any type getting the production line vaccine to reasonably match the bench made trial vaccine is one of the hardest and slowest parts of the process. So in all these vaccines the hard and slow part was omitted. All of them. If someone had delayed release of their vax a year or more you might (might) have believed someone did their homework. Your unfortunate experience with J&J could have happened with any of the vaxxes, to include the Russian and Chinese.
The short version is no one knew what was being put into arms. The pharma compnies did not know. The doctor did not know. The compliant victim did not know.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 8 2024 14:30 utc | 291
@oldhippie | 285 and others on masks:
Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that ‘masks don’t work’, which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation.
It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive. Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask-wearing itself reduces people’s risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses.
– Cochrane
Masks are a very simple idea to reduce spread of infectious material. They will work more or less well in an uncountable of circumstance, but I would be surprised if they generally have no effect at all.
Also, epidemiology is a science that takes off from a non-intuitive starting point, that of the group. It has always been less than trivial to reconcile that with the Me!-centered outlook of so many, not to speak of what primordial fear does to that mix.
On another note, here is a quote for eternity by the UWDude: ‘I have a nuanced view of everything’ (257).
Back to my Oxford Dicktionary English-Deutsch. I hope to open it today.
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 8 2024 15:03 utc | 292
Roger | Jul 8 2024 0:26 utc | 214
*** This existed into the 1950s, so fuck the Dalai Lama and thank the communists for freeing Tibetans from this hell on Earth.***
Suspect pre-1950s Tibet is the WEF / NATO ideal model for future “society”.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 8 2024 15:20 utc | 293
to smuks | Jul 8 2024 0:30 utc | 217 ….
Got serious doubts about how genuine the Le Pen party is, but nowhere like as many doubts about Melenchon’s “coalition” — especially after that extremely ‘Soros’-like mass demonstration before the second round.
Supposedly all these electors demanding unlimited immigration, particularly noting the so-called “Green” element (just pause to consider the Green’s rabid NATO warmongering in Germany and fanatically wokist gender-bending is Scotland)…
Then consider the Macron/State response of extreme violence against the Yellow Vests and their very reasonable requests. What a contrast.
The election final result looks to be cooked as could be, and smells rather like Greece when it got shafted by political false-flaggers of the EU and IMF.
How could Melenchon — if at all what he claims to still be — so readily collaborate with bankerite / NATO globalist imperium scum such as Macron?
So once again, an alleged — ever so “politically correct” — ‘left’ turn out to really be closet servants of monopoly capitalism.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 8 2024 15:29 utc | 294
Posted by: Roger | Jul 8 2024 12:30 utc | 275
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 8 2024 13:00 utc | 278
O.M.G. learn context.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 15:36 utc | 295
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 8 2024 15:03 utc | 292
Masks may help a tiny bit, although even that is inconclusive, and there is evident they actually help spread it by creating jet streams.
But
You dont change the human race for an inconsequential disease. Covid is and was extremely overrated, and it was so obvious from the very beginning how much fear and lies were being used to make it seem like it could be a civilization ender. I know nobody here who bought the hype will admit what they imagined covid was going to do to the world, but if everybody in 2020 could see the world today, NOBODY would have fallen for the bullshit.
The mask was not a preventative measure. Just like stocking up on toilet paper and bottled water. The mask was a tool to create mass formation psychosis. A symbol imposed on humanity to try and make covid appear more serious and apocalyptic than it actually isvand was.
And I KNOW for a fact, most people who went along willingly with the covid propaganda had their imaginations stirred up by apocalyptic movies and shows to believe that covid was going to be a major disaster, with imaginations of hundreds of millions dead. It didnt happen.
I mean, explain the toilet paper and bottled water madness. It was pure ignorant madness, fueled by hysteria, in a hysterical fashion from the view pf anybody with any common sense about them.
Masks may help, maybe so does wrapping rooms in plastic and isolating old people in homes from their loved ones, and banning funerals. And if covid were the apocalyptic disease it was made out to be, people would gladly comply.
But instead, old people were prevented from seeing their loved ones, people were prevented from seeing their patents before they died, it was hell run by hypochondriacs. Life living with Lysol queens. I will never, ever, ever forgive the half of humanity who turned to little needle nazis over covid. Never.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 15:59 utc | 296
Posted by: Pluto in Aquarius | Jul 8 2024 13:54 utc | 289
@ Scorpion | Jul 8 2024 11:36 utc | 273
After all that sophistry, logical fallacies, unknowns, mental anguish and neurotic thoughts I assumed you are in desperate need of some respite:
Rest In Natural Great Peace this exhausted mind,
beaten endlessly with karma and neurotic thought.
Like the relentless fury of the pounding waves
of the infinite ocean of Samsara …
Well, I had two cups of coffee yesterday, a small one for breakfast which I later forgot about and one at lunch with a local platano/banana desert. I can only have coffee once or twice a week; twice in one day, especially staggered at two different times, is a tota no-no, but again at lunch I simply forgot about the breakfast one. Big mistake! So was up all last night until 6.30 AM having slept briefly from about 11pm – midnight.
Most of the thinking was clear last night, if I say so myself, but there was too much of it for sure!
Since the damage was already done, I had coffee again this morning, so who knows when sleep will finally next come. I’ll lay off posting though, no doubt to everyone’s relief!
Apologies for the verbosity, though frankly if some other posters had better manners and could refrain from childishly gratuitous insult there would be far less tension at the bar.
Boy Moonline | Jul 8 2024 8:30 utc | 246
*** Their idea goes something like this, according to a memo shared with Semafor that has been circulated to Democratic donors and bundlers as well as officials within the Biden campaign and administration:
Biden would step down as the Democratic nominee in mid-July, and announce the new system, with backing from Vice President Kamala Harris.
Potential candidates would have a few days to throw their respective hats in the ring. The Democratic Party then would begin a primary sprint in which the six candidates who receive the most votes from delegates pledge to run positive-only campaigns in the month leading up to the convention.
The “blitz primary” would involve weekly forums with each candidate moderated by cultural icons (Michelle Obama, Oprah, and Taylor Swift are among the names floated in the memo) in order to engage voters.
The nominee would ultimately be chosen by the delegates using ranked choice voting before the start of the Chicago convention on Aug. 19.
It would be announced with plenty of fanfare on the third day of the gathering. The memo imagines the nominee unveiled on stage with Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.
According to its authors, the country would be captivated. Donations would pour in. And Biden would be celebrated as a “modern-day George Washington,” the proponents argue.***
Felt physically sick reading such proposals. If that’s a sample of the intended future world imposition of the US-imperial oligarchy, then the sooner there’s a really serious nuclear war obliterating them all, the better.
Regardless of whether that war kills everything else as well. Their ongoing survival means the eventual perversion and termination of anything decent or sensible anywhere in the world anyway.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 8 2024 16:13 utc | 298
@UWDude | 296
I mean, explain the toilet paper and bottled water madness.
I immediately found a good aspect in the frenzied masking and hand-washing hygiene of my fellow German countrymen, namely that their previous strange ignorance of spreading sneeze, cough and flu among each other routinely and without thought would end here forever.
They didn’t make it to the point of realizing that a bucket of soapy water next to the john would have liberated them from the toilet paper problem in a convenient and eco-friendly way. Those who heard my suggestion uniformly declined such unimaginable horror.
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 8 2024 16:20 utc | 299
have you ever considered how they regularly did 3-week journeys from one settlement to the next and had been doing so for centuries and the Governor frequently did 6 month trips touring the entire region
Scorp
Now do it without logistic support, while being hunted by an army with combat experience, and no means of fighting back. Somehow hiding 300 people, yet still being close enough to this army to be shot at etc. (bullets whizzing overhead as they crossed the Yalu!)
There is not enough forage food in the mountains to feed 300 men for six days, much less six months. So it would need to be 300 people and a baggage train, which is slow moving. A platoon of 20 army men could easily leave camp with just weapons and lunch, and wipe the whole caravan out, as soon as they were spotted. According to the story the Chinese Army was always harassing them, but could never wipe them out.
Bulll shiiit.
The whole story reeks so badly of tall tales by someone who watches movies uncritically.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2024 16:44 utc | 300