As long as Russia was ruled by Bolsheviks with their murderous record, there could never be more than a temporary alliance of convenience between Russia and Germany. But now that Russia is once more ruled by Christians, there can now be a close alliance of the two countries, which would be very much in the interest of both countries.

Posted by: Lysias | Jul 7 2024 14:17 utc | 104

Middle East Eye published a touching account of what it’s like trying to stay human in southern California:

The deafening silence and apathy of my family alienated me, but I felt at home in the California campuses – a utopian vision of what a righteous America is and what it could be.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/discover/looking-gaza-california-how-family-hollywood-and-campuses-became-front-palestinian
I can surely relate, up here in northern California. This morning’s Chronicle ruminates over Biden’s ongoing “Feinstein moments,” as he struggles to publicly maintain some semblance of tangible cognition.
Dan White assassinated mayor George Moscone and councilman Harvey Milk on November 27, 1978 (shortly after my own migration here from socal, as it happens). Dianne Feinstein began her ascent to national politics, as mayor of San Francisco, on that day. 45 years later, Senator Feinstein’s enduring legacy is having personified incompetent decrepitude to such ludicrous extremes — this is what it means for our Chronicle to speak of Biden’s “Feinstein moments.”
From a poetic point of view, the symbolism is too richly apposite to believe: such a decrepit empire tottering on such flagrantly decrepit shoulders.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 7 2024 14:39 utc | 106

Rohm is actually a perfect historical analogy. He was a fascist that was pro LGBTQ before the US came up with that tortured term.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 7 2024 1:58 utc | 69
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Röhm sure liked his young men but AFAIK never promoted rights for sexual minorities. Which would make his being “pro LGBTQ” not only severely anachronistic but simply wrong.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 7 2024 15:23 utc | 108

From https://tinyurl.com/yc4zfa7b
2008,
More nauseating was Pelosi’s self-righteous sermon on Tibet. “If freedom loving people throughout the world do no speak out,” she said, “we have lost all moral authority to speak on human rights anywhere in the world.” This coming from a country that stands culpable for the murder of almost three millions Iraqis in five years of brutal American occupation.
https://tinyurl.com/5xe9capm
Posted by: denk | Jul 7 2024 2:59 utc | 246
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A tale of TWO Tibets.
First off, the worst genocidaire in human history have ZERO biz lecturing anybody.
Whats more , they are squatting smack dab inside ‘India’s Tibet’, seven Mongoloid kingdoms, including part of Southern Tibet.
Gobbled up first by the limey, then the Indians, conquered thru almost a century of genocidal wars.
Crying out loud at fictional ‘genocides’ in China’s Tibet proper !
Hypocrisy and duplicity of such magnitude ought to be….respected.

Posted by: denk | Jul 7 2024 15:29 utc | 110

Roehm was as open about his homosexuality as circumstances permitted. In 1929, he joined the homosexual-rights group Bund fuer Menschenrecht and became known to many figures in the homosexual community in Berlin. His homosexuality, which he never denied, was much discussed in the anti-Nazi press after letters he had written were revealed in 1931.

Posted by: Lysias | Jul 7 2024 15:55 utc | 112

The black panthers rarely espoused communism. Only in the late stages of their existence did huey newton even start to write about it, and even then, he wrote about it in an almost, “i have been thinking” sort of way.
They were put down for being black amd trying to organize and fight back, not for “creating armed communists”, especially since most people, communist or not, black or white, were armed.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 16:11 utc | 114

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 7 2024 1:04 utc | 65
@ scorpion: Yes, you reference Jefferson and that is exactly who I would conjure to help America now. Him, Emerson, Thoreau.
And I would agree that there will always be classes within a system, but it’s just that when the way is prevailing in the empire, the top does not scorn the bottom nor does the bottom mistrust the top. They are almost indifferent to each other and happy in their place. Urbanization has helped to ruin this balance…..Did Benjamin Franklin say they will ruin your country first by inflation and then by deflation? The pressure the lower classes are under currently is immense. And the pitilessness of the wealthy is deafening. Same with the drug epidemic.

Thank you again. The emboldened part is usually missed in class theorizing, most of which has tended to be from the left indulging in a ‘throw the bastards down a mine shaft’ approach, which more often than not only means replacing one set of selfish bastards with another. Because the problem isn’t with the individuals in question rather the cultural context in which they operate.
Which is why transmitting a good value system from top to bottom in society is the most important thing to engender a good society wherein top and bottom will ‘not scorn’ each other but go further: they can admire, serve, be loyal, be kind, nourish, educate and inspire each other, indeed together build great civilizations; and rather than only ‘indifference’ be at peace knowing that all have their place. Differences exist, between introvert and extrovert, as you perceptively mentioned, but also strong versus weak, attractive or ugly, intelligent or stupid, skilled or unskilled and so on ad infinitum. Each individual has his or her own matrix of unique variables, the basis of all class distinction. So class is not necessarily a malevolent system imposed from above by wicked ruling classes, rather a reflection of natural order.
The Great Art is to transmit durable principles and practices with sufficient flexibility to go with the ever-changing flow in a harmonious, adaptive way. Civilization, although in today’s West now become ghastly, can actually be fun; for it is, after all, humanity’s ultimate art form.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 7 2024 16:14 utc | 116

“Your solution doesn’t lie in skiffs”, [Prime Minister of Senegal] Ousmane Sonko said.
The Prime Minister added that the countries to which some young people want to go “are themselves in crisis or at the beginning of a crisis… The future of the world lies in Africa. And you young people need to be aware of this. The only continent that still has significant room for progress and growth is Africa”. (senego)

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 7 2024 16:20 utc | 118

If German public opinion could be swung around to support a de facto alliance with Russia in 1939, when Russia was ruled by actual Bolsheviks, I suspect the same can be done again.

Posted by: Lysias | Jul 7 2024 16:36 utc | 120

[old timers can skip….]
Words covid , sars2 always trigger the algorithm to trot out this ,…..
GUess what , sob not only weaponise many virus in the name of gof research, they even publish their results…!
Exhibit A
H5N1, H7N9

This planet has already achieved a delicate balance between all species, long before we arrived. But the self-deluded geniuses wanted more excitement to the show. There is a conspiracy to spread the flu virus at the widest coverage possible, and it’s not just a theory.
The scientists themselves who were conducting the specific research on how they made H7N9 virus increase its rate of human transmissions are already publicizing it.
h5n1-research
More than that, they are also studying specific strains from different locations on Earth, so that a gene, or race, specific attack can be made possible.

https://eclinik.net/heres-the-proof-flu-virus-was-deliberately-weaponized-for-widest-transmission/

Posted by: denk | Jul 7 2024 16:41 utc | 122

Posted by: furies | Jul 7 2024 14:16 utc | 103
Covid spreads on our breath and spittle I’m told. This is why masking and distancing will work to keep ourselves and others safer. To see this real time, one only needs to observe the mist that is shown when talking in a cold space. Your mist will spread outwards approx 3 feet, don a mask and it falls to less than 1 foot. Its observable and verifiable to any who try it.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 7 2024 16:57 utc | 124

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 7 2024 16:33 utc | 119
I was thinking about the structure of the iChing last night.
I am trying to find a way to get factors of 3 (6, 12) into squares of 2.
In my game design, I am doing my best to organize everything into 12s, starting with ywelve colors, (red, orange, yellow, spring green, green, teal, cyan, azure, blue, purple, magenta, coral), as these are the twelve equal distributions of red green and blue, the “light colors”, and their combinants, used in printing, yellow, cyan, and magenta.
I’ll be looking into the iChing later today, because of my thought last night, but also because you mentioned 64, which is a power of two, and 2^6, and overall a neat number in programming, being that it is not only 2^6, but also 4^3.
In my research for my game, i came upon the yellow emperor, who tried to do what I am doing, except he did so with 5… ..he tried to classify everything in fives, and then make them all align with each other, the five colors were, iirc, red, yellow, blue, black and white, which were then representative of the five elements, fire, wood, water, earth and metal, which could also map to the five body fluids, blood, urine, saliva, etc… (this is all hazy recollection, details may be wrong), but anyway, he was basically trying to come up with a system where cures and solutions could be intrinsically discovered simply by mapping them across five categorizations.
Of course, this is impossible in reality, especially with just 5, but perhaps there is a “magic number” in which all thing can be categorized and cross referenced,
either way,mine has to be twelve, unless i can find a way to incorporate black and white with red green and blue, and there kind of is, afaik, using 4d vectors, aka quaternions, but i dont quite understand them, but all computer graphics today run on 4d vectors, mostly because computers waste 25% of memory if they only use 3.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 17:12 utc | 126

I mean
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IjJSYHdYQt8

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 17:21 utc | 128

@UWDude – don’t forget BROWN !

Posted by: Featherless | Jul 7 2024 17:30 utc | 130

I think calling things as they are will be most helpful in the short run. In the long run maybe we can reclaim the meanings. In my reality we have pro human activities and anti human activities. Anything not pro human should go the way of the dinosaur.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 7 2024 16:45 utc | 123
This all very well, and should certainly be done, but in pursuing a social/political movement of resistance to the anti-human, these alone are not enough. Should we abandon all the analysis of the (actual) Marxist left? Invent a whole new discourse, with entirely new terms? I think that’s a big win for the anti-human forces- they, after all, are drivers of this linguistic destruction. They understand perfectly well how well it serves their agenda.
You or I can make a cogent post about some particular event or institution on this or half a dozen other platforms, but if our observations don’t lead the readers they move intellectually to pursuing a deeper understanding, they aren’t of much use. That body of work exists. If I can get someone to start reading it without all the propaganda baggage that their minds have been burdened with, much more can happen, far more rapidly than I could possibly achieve with any beautiful new theory I might come up with.
I do not believe, btw, that classic Marxism is the end all and be all of political philosophy or economic analysis- BUT NEITHER DID THE CLASSIC MARXISTS. It has always been conceived as a work in progress, whose evolution would be determined by practice and analysis of that practice. However, there are many core elements of the existing analysis that have stood the test of time and form a useful basis on which to engage in the cycle of action, criticism and self-criticism. The PTB have gone to great lengths to keep people from having that foundation to work from. We shouldn’t help them.

Posted by: Honzo | Jul 7 2024 17:32 utc | 132

Sorry b, webarchive is kaput….
Few days after they publicised the recipe for
H5N1 weaponisation…..
Socio-Economics History Blog
Socio-Economics & History Commentary
Home About
Weaponized Bird Flu Research Published as Virus ‘Just Mutations’ Away from Pandemic!
Why would any sane person publish details about how to weaponize bird flu? We are not dealing with sane people. We are dealing with people infected by the blasphemous reality of the mentally ill: Satanism. We are dealing with Illuminists-Satanists who are out to execute their agenda for depopulation, genocide, fomenting chaos, diseases, deaths, violence …. to initiate hell on earth … to prepare the way for their fake messiah, the Anti-Christ, the bringer of false peace, the white horseman of Revelation 6. They want to use bio-weapons and even race specific Bird Flu in this coming Satanic World War 3.
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This act of publishing the detail how-to of airborne transmissible virulent Bird Flu is just for plausible deniability before the western Illuminati employs it. They will say it is an act of rogue terrorists and nothing to do with their MIC.
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Page 72 of PNAC (Project for New American Century) Report
And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.
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Ex. British Military: The Illuminati Plans World War 3 in 18 – 24 Months!
China will catch a Cold … During the nuclear ceasefire, there is planned to be a covert release of biological weapons. These will initially be targeted against the Chinese. As our source chillingly told us, “China will catch a cold”. Biological warfare will spread further, to the west. Infrastructure will be critically weakened. This is intended to be just the beginning. After this, a full nuclear exchange would be triggered: the “real” war, with widespread destruction and loss of life. Our source tells us that the planned population reduction through these combined means is 50%. He heard this figure stated in the meeting.
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IS SARS VIRUS A BIO-WEAPON THAT SETS UP A PERSON FOR A SECONDARY DISEASE, AND IS IT SPECIFICALLY AIMED AT ORIENTALS?
by http://www.cuttingedge.org
Subtitle: Evidence that SARS is a man-made bio-weapon is fairly conclusive, while evidence that it is aimed at Orientals is inconclusive, though very interesting. “In my heart of hearts, I believe SARS is engineered to target Chinese…” [Medical Doctor]
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IS SARS ENGINEERED TO ATTACK ONLY ORIENTALS? NEWS BRIEF: “China blames U.S. for SARS; Floats theory virus byproduct of bioweapon research”, WorldNetDaily, May 9, 2003. “The deadly SARS pandemic, which has claimed more than 500 lives worldwide, originated as a bioweapon in a U.S. research lab, according to the Hong Kong newspaper Wenweipo.”
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SARS Confirmed As Manmade – Possible BioWeapon!
The Atypical Pneumonia Virus Has Been Created Artificially Says Scientist Sergei Kolesnikov
By Alexander Batalin, RIA Novosti correspondent 4-10-3
IRKUTSK –The virus of atypical pneumonia has been created artificially, possibly as a bacteriological weapon, believes Sergei Kolesnikov, Academician of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences. He expressed this opinion at a news conference in Irkutsk (Siberia) on Thursday.
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Weaponized Bird Flu Research Published as Virus ‘Just Mutations’ Away from Pandemic!
by Elizabeth Renter, http://www.Infowars.com
A scientific paper was released this past week after much controversy. The findings of the paper, some feared, could be used to develop a highly contagious version of the Avian H5N1 (Bird Flu) virus. While those fears have largely been quelled, the researcher’s findings indicate that a pandemic of H5N1 is “just 3 mutations away.”
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Currently, H5N1 can only be transmitted to humans from birds. It cannot pass from human to human like the cold virus or other influenza viruses. According to The Times of India, scientists say there are already some strains of the bird flu that are three mutations away from being passable by humans.
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“With the information we have, it is impossible to say what the exact risk of the virus becoming airborne transmissible among humans,” said Professor Derek Smith, one of the study authors. “However, the results suggest that the remaining three mutations could evolve in a single human host, making a virus evolving in nature a potentially serious threat.”
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In order for H5N1 to become highly transmissible in humans, five different mutations would have to be present. Two of those five already exist. The other three were created by scientists and studied in the ferrets. Ferrets were used because they transmit the same influenza viruses as humans.
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Bird Flu Research Published Among Pandemic Fears
Scientists stress that the virus that was “airborne transmissible” did not cause death in the ferrets, easing some concerns among those who worried these findings could lead to intentional mutations being spread as a bioweapons. The virus did, however, kill those ferrets in which high doses were squirted directly into their nostrils.
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The research findings have been under scrutiny for months as members of the scientific community debated on whether the information should be released.
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“There is always a risk,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases. “But I believe the benefits are greater than the risks.”
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According to the New York Times, statements made by the study’s lead author, Ron A. M. Fouchier spawned much of the controversy leading up to the release of the findings.
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Fouchier reportedly raised alarm when giving interviews on the findings last fall. He said he had “done something really, really stupid,” and had “mutated the hell out of H5N1.” He went on to characterize the results as “very, very bad news,” saying they had created “probably one of the most dangerous viruses you can make.”
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Since that time, his enthusiasm has died down and he blames the media for overblowing the danger. Whether the findings weren’t as “very, very bad” as he originally thought or if they are simply downplaying them as an afterthought remains to be seen.
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This post first appeared at Natural Society
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Posted by: denk | Jul 7 2024 17:36 utc | 134

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 17:21 utc | 128
You are missing the point. What happens to the smoke w no mask? It goes across the room. Thats why masks and distancing will keep us safer. Im not claiming microscopic covid cant penetrate a mask, just that the masks and distancing keep you safer from it. Operative word being safer.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 7 2024 17:42 utc | 136

The mystery to me is why the spike protein complex was selected for the vaccine? Compared to epitopes in the body of the virus, it is fast evolving. Perhaps intention to put evolutionary pressure on spike complex to evolve it faster? Why? Or perhaps built-in planned obsolescence in the shots for higher Pharma profit? Perhaps the interests were varied and coincided? And how can professionals accept a vaccination process, the modified RNA and LN packets, in which dose cannot be known and site of distribution is indeterminate? Complete innanity.
Posted by: suzan | Jul 7 2024 16:40 utc | 121
These are exactly the concerns that kept me from taking an MRNA jab, and which further led me several steps beyond class analysis than I had previously ventured. In my youth, like most youth, I perceived the ruling class as responding to the moment, predictably enough if you had the right analytical tools, but still fairly directly. As I matured I began to see more and more evidence of long-term projects, often at odds with the ‘needs of the moment’ of the ruling class or even any faction of it. A lot of these are embedded in essentially occult terminology, so I don’t claim to understand them, but the whole Covid scam is evidence of some ideological drive well beyond the scope of short term material interests, which have characterized the actions of the capitalist class until WWII. That, or some secret material fact like communication with aliens, or the possession of the technology of immortality/indefinite longevity, or for real room-temperature fusion, any one of which would demand a major restructuring of human civilization to allow for the continued dominance of the current ruling powers. I make no claims for any of these particulars, just to be clear, I’m just saying it’s getting harder and harder to ignore the possibility that some core element of the PTB Knows Something We Don’t, that’s of vast importance. I am not optimistic that I myself will discover what that is, but I can hope that someone can end them before their plans reach fruition.

Posted by: Honzo | Jul 7 2024 17:45 utc | 138

To those who mock that which they have not thoroughly investigated, especially something used for several thousand years, chances are you are just trumpeting your own ignorance rather than contributing, let alone learning, anything valuable yourself.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 7 2024 16:33 utc | 119
I agree. Although raised as a materialist, and still believing that the universe is objectively real, I acknowledge that that universe is full of mechanisms whose mode of action we cannot begin to describe, gravity being the most obvious. As I also subscribe to Chaotic Determinism, it seems to me while, for instance, the arrangement of the stars in the heavens likely have no influence on the events or personalities of people on earth, at the same time they are certainly expressions of the deterministic unfolding of everything in the universe, and perhaps therefore informative, as the yarrow stalks, the flights of sparrows or the cracks on a tortoise shell. We’re all part of the same algorithm, in a universe started from a single seed, so we shouldn’t assume that the state of one part of that process is unrelated to the state of every other part, even if we can’t trace the connections of cause and effect. Perhaps the Sage Mind is real, and the Sage can. I certainly can’t, with or without the help of the I Ching, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

Posted by: Honzo | Jul 7 2024 17:55 utc | 140

Scorpion | Jul 7 2024 17:32 utc | 133
One more for your list;
The I Ching has one very practical aspect, and that can be in the manner of “asking” the question. The Chinese imperial court is thought to have used the I Ching regularly as a part of State decisions.
So, If using coins (the lazy way I know, I use three silver threepenny pieces from 1900’s). The same “question” is repeated six times, once for for each throw. Working on the idea that IF you can state and restate a question clearly – then you should at least know a large part of the answer already. ie. The I Ching is a psychological tool to clarify the thinking process. Acting as a “neutral/independent/external respondant.
The answers can, and often are, MORE than could be reasonably expected – which is part of the mystery. Normally, the answers received are relative to the train of thought that engendered them: So are also dependent on the time/period when they are made as everything changes continuously.
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PS. I do not use the I Ching regularly as I do not consider myself to be a “sage”.
Cheers.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 7 2024 18:03 utc | 142

regarding the uk’s sunak… i seem to remember someone at moa mentioning he said he didn’t want to be a pm during a war ( between nato and russia, i take it)… does anyone have a reference for that, or am i dreaming this up? thanks..

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 18:06 utc | 144

However… Black panthers did not use marxist language at all most of their existence. They considered it irrelevant and distracting from their mission.
To say, “its class war, not race war”, was to infer that black and white people had it just as bad, which the black panthers categorically rejected.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 17:32 utc | 131
Irrelevant and distracting to performing their mission. Not quite the same thing.
It’s also the case that Newton and the Panthers underwent a process of evolution. How much of the rhetorical evolution was based on Newton’s and Seale’s individual political evolution is hard to say, but they were both already familiar with Marxism when the Party was founded. Besides the immediate repression that would have crushed them the moment they said they were communists, one also has to remember that they had good reasons not to let themselves be subsumed in the existing, politically meaningless, community of Marxist parties in the US, but rather to be a vanguard element in the broader Black Power and Civil Rights movements.
The idea that ‘authentic’ communists/Marxists always loudly proclaim their identity is just absurd.

Posted by: Honzo | Jul 7 2024 18:16 utc | 146

France
And here are the projections from Elabe:
Left-green New Popular Front: 175-205 seats
Macron’s allies: 150-175 seats
Far right National Front and allies: 115-150

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 7 2024 18:24 utc | 148

@ Don Firineach | Jul 7 2024 18:24 utc | 148
thanks don.. that certainly looks rosier for macron at this point..

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 18:27 utc | 150

Off-Topic: Orban is on his way to China, where he is expected to arrive on Monday morning
▪️ This was reported by the Hungarian media, citing sources.
lordofwar

Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 7 2024 18:30 utc | 152

Off-Topic: Orban is on his way to China, where he is expected to arrive on Monday morning
▪️ This was reported by the Hungarian media, citing sources.
lordofwar
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 7 2024 18:30 utc | 152
Can’t be off-topic in the off-topic thread.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 18:40 utc | 154

suzan@121 As I understand it, the spike protein plays a key role in infection, perhaps the key role. It is so to speak the hook that catches the fish. Targeting that is blunting the attack, a tactic that does I think make sense. There are probably just as many mutations in the relatively stable, more permanent parts of Covid. But most mutations are either damaging or at best neutral. In those cases, there is no difference in the reproduction rates for Covid with mutations in those parts. Even the neutral changes tend to be unnoticed I suspect. There is even the possibility they can mutate back to the previous state. (In point mutations where a single codon changes after a single nucleotide is incorrectly slotted during replication, since there are only four nucleotides, a reversal isn’t so very improbable.) As a result, variants in the more permanent parts do not take over the Covid population as a whole.
Changes in the spike protein are also mostly negative or neutral. But a beneficial—to the virus—mutation attaches to more targets. Providing more food increases population and the mutation becomes a larger part of the Covid population, becomes a new variant. It is true that vaccines of any type that block one version of spike protein exert what’s called selection pressure favoring mutant variants. But this is true of all viruses, all bacteria, all living organisms, including multicellular. That’s why there’s antibiotic resistance. It’s why species multiply overtime. (Those who put everything down to this natural selection versus other factors like genetic drift, symbiogenesis, polyploidy and so on are probably projecting Social Darwinist prejudices into the data but that’s not the issue here.)
The issue of mRNA vs. the traditional attenuated live virus vaccines is slightly more complicated. I will note that there is a long tradition of magical thinking about DNA, which extends to RNA (where m, r or t.) The mRNA vaccines are vastly more uniform than Covid yet much simpler, so the alleged slaughter of the innocents from mRNA vaccines is not convincing. It is even hard to explain how the same genetic poison could have such variant effects that no one can find a typical syndrome of illness and death from mRNA vaccines, much less excess deaths that are distinct from those sensibly attributed to Covid. The haste to insist on mRNA showed by “Fauci,” (a demonized personification by partisan hacks,) lies I suspect in the desire to support the US pharmaceuticals already working on them. The deliberate resistance to traditional vaccines, especially those produced by the PRC, Cuba and Russia, was similarly about the money I think.
The waffling on masks and lockdowns was similarly motivated I think partly by the desire to push them as a substitute for quarantine and contact tracing, which the decaying US society apparently could not even attempt apparently! The other reason is the inherent difficulties in the science, the practicalities. How much masks and distancing help is a hard question to answer, especially when treatments are unknown (since improved thank God.) “Fauci” also ended up waffling later when the owners decided, deaths be damned, it’s no good saving people’s lives if we lose even more money. They don’t even want to collect data any more, much less spend money on public health. Lockdowns of the apparently healthy is such a desperate measure that it’s hard for me to imagine it as anything but an emergency measure to contain a new invasion into the country, or as a strictly temporary measure to be replaced by quarantine of the sicke and contact tracing as quickly as possible. But again, that takes a government that serves the people as well as a sound infrastructure.
The only real reason for jibber jabber about weaponization and gain of function research and Wuhan is blind loyalty to the obscenity who raved about Chinese flu (Covid is a kind of cold that kills, not a flu.) Also bleach, ivermectin, etc. Covid is not a good candidate for weaponization. You need a bioweapon that has predictable effects, a short term effect, an already prepared vaccine/treatment for you own people, etc. Covid is none of those and only a lunatic would pick it. Gain of function research aims to study how viruses etc. infect cells by fiddling with them. When the intervention increases infection rates, you have a clue as to how that infection occurs. It’s knowing what you changed that makes it a clue. It’s something like a scientist setting stuff on fire to see what temperature the blaze starts with. No one with any sense accusing such a scientist of being an arsonist conspiring to set Rome on fire.
I do sometimes worry about Covid lurking in the brain or other organs then coming back, maybe to kill, in later years. You know, like chicken pox/shingles.
The probability as I see that “Fauci” subordinated the activities of NIH et al. to make mRNA billionaires strikes me as quite enough villainy. And it also strikes me as vastly saner than the commoner anti-vaxer…well, nuts is the only way I can think of it.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 7 2024 19:00 utc | 156

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 7 2024 19:00 utc | 156
Robert Malone understands it better than you, definitely better than Fauci, and Bill Gates is a spec of dirt to a mountain in terms of how well Robert Malone understands covid and the mRNA vaccines.
I just hope you are taking your two boosters a year. It will make the world a safer place.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 19:13 utc | 158

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 7 2024 19:18 utc | 159
Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA vaccination method.
https://substack.com/@rwmalonemd
steven t johnson knows better than him, though.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 19:22 utc | 160

So the French have shot themselves in the feet again!

Posted by: jpc | Jul 7 2024 19:30 utc | 162

Exit polls are reporting that the National Front (Le Pen’s party) has come in “third” in the 2nd round of voting (this is after finishing 1st in the 1st round of voting). Voting result look extremely suspicious I could have believed them coming in 2nd place, but the inter-agency consensus couldn’t even accept that. they had to make it a completely unbelievable 3rd place finish, maybe the saner heads will force them to revise the vote up to 2nd place, but i doubt it.
Anyhow, the vote was never going to change anything, this was just a pageant to legitimize themselves before they fling the great unwashed masses into their next great blunder world war 3, the EU vs Russia. Get the popcorn ready kids!

Posted by: Kadath | Jul 7 2024 19:42 utc | 164

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 7 2024 19:23 utc | 161
Marxist believe in class struggle.
Marxists believe that oppression stems from class.
Panthers believed in race struggle.
Panthers believed it stemmed from race.
There is a difference.
Would a marxist demand only certain races be excluded from the draft?
And I think it is funny today even, if you ever listen to black political commentators on race, how they respond to people asking them about communism, or banking, or capitalism.
The response is almost always, we have to deal with racism first. If you cate about those white problems, talk about it yourself. We are here to talk about black problems

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 19:44 utc | 166

@ Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 19:43 utc | 165
i am not sure masks work peter… i don’t think the idea of them working is conclusive… i am sure someone will tell me i am wrong, lol..

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 19:48 utc | 168

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/oakland-ca-august-21-1978-huey-newton-and-wife-gwen-appear-news-photo/1172280959?adppopup=true
To the Black Panther discussion.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 7 2024 20:00 utc | 170

@Posted by: Lysias | Jul 7 2024 15:55 utc | 112
Röhm and the SA were destroyed in the 1934 “Night of the Long Knives” because the SA leadership actually believed in some of the anti-capitalist, anti-boss, rhetoric used by the Nazis (even Wikipedia notes this point!) and was a competing power block to Hitler. As soon as Hitler was in power and controlled the police and military he used state power to crush the SA, and bring forward the SS that was absolutely loyal to him.
Then Hitler could move on to crush the working people and produce a compliant workforce for the capitalist class that had placed him in power, while that class gauged itself on massive new armaments and infrastructure contracts and later on slave labour and Jewish property. Most of those capitalists were not punished after WW2 and kept their riches, for example the family that own BMW. The German ruling class never changed, as we saw in its profitable role in destroying Yugoslavia and its full support for the war in Ukraine (a new Lebensraum to be owned by the German, American and UK capitalist ruling classes) and the Imperial project that is Israel. Many of the Nazi security service leaders and personnel were used as the base for the Germany BND by the CIA.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 7 2024 20:03 utc | 172

173 action… actual medical science

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 20:14 utc | 174

Both of them at once?? What happened?
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 7 2024 19:31 utc | 163
The far left have the most seats and Macron stays president.
Brilliant.
Stick it to the man!

Posted by: jpc | Jul 7 2024 20:18 utc | 176

Like arguing or pointing out facts to a child throwing a tantrum when it comes to covid.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 20:19 utc | 177
Damn children and their knowledge of African covid infection rates, average ages of death, and surgical mask standard operating procedures. I swear, if i hear one more toddler throwing a tantrum about how sticking up on toilet paper and bottled water id the most farcical response to any kind of pandemic, I am going to give their *parents* a spanking!

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 20:26 utc | 178

@Posted by: Kadath | Jul 7 2024 19:42 utc | 164
Marine Le Pen is being “educated” through one lost election after another (gained through massive media collusion and lies, and now establishment driven political collusion etc.) that she must accept certain French ruling class none negotiables before she will be allowed to enter power. Exactly the same was done to Lula in the late 1980s/early 1990s until he became “neoliberal with crumbs” and then again in the mid-2010s when the Brazilian ruling class launched a more extreme class warfare (as with much of the Latin American ruling class in the 2010s and 2020s).
This is how the ruling class co-opts leaders from either the “left” or the “right” to become careerist oligarch operatives. Where this is not possible, as with Corbyn, the person will be absolutely destroyed – either politically or physically. Meloni already compromised and got the prize of being a oligarch tool head of state for Italy. The AfD are currently in the “learning” process with the threat of an outright ban always possible. You can be sure that the Western ruling class is constantly scheming to politically destroy or assassinate Orban, Fico (just getting over one failed attempt), and the Bulgarian leadership which is showing far too much independent thought.
On Another Note: if Russia can geographically link up with Hungary, then Hungary, Serbia, and Bulgaria could act as an anti-war coalition (with Republika Sprska) surrounding Romania and Moldova. All they then have to do is shut off their air spaces to all military aircraft except their own, and ban the movement of offensive weapons through their territory to Romania. An utter NATO nightmare. When things start going wrong for an Empire they can get rapidly worse, especially with the Empire driving Turkey more and more into the arms of Russia and Syria. The Western elites will scheme against these nations and their leaders, but may also rapidly come to the negotiating table on Ukraine if the Russians look like they may be able to construct such a geographically-connected coalition.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 7 2024 20:28 utc | 180

‘Left’ and ‘Right’ once had reasonably clear meanings- the first referring to those who wanted to limit state power over individuals and the second those that favored tighter government control over the population. At the moment the mainstream discourse has so thoroughly mixed these elements across the left/right spectrum that they have no meaning- corporate leftwing communists vs nationalistic rightwing free speech advocates.
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 7 2024 13:51 utc | 95

Yes. The larger philosophical groupings that oppose each other, the two getting all the attention nowadays, shouldn’t properly be referred to as “Left” and “Right”. It causes great confusion in discussion. Probably the most salient distinction between the older left and right, and understood as such, was that the left strongly favored a socialistic-type of managed distribution of resources, while the right had an equally militant laissez-faire philosophy. Attached to those, but, at least as I’m seeing it, quite subordinate in terms of the prevailing argument, were a somewhat bohemian, carefree lifestyle lifestyle favored by the Left, with more traditional moral strictures favored generally by the right. But again, the prevailing argument was economic.
Currently, that economic argument is all but forgotten. It’s pretty well become all a cultural discussion. How many of our old cultural mores do we think we should hold on to, any, or are they all reactionary and personally, humanly stifling? In this discussion, capitalism v. socialism, very roughly the dividing line in the old tug of war, barely comes up. “Left” and “Right” are applied much differently. Someone above said to the effect of “You call that in the US, the Left?!” Well, no, it really shouldn’t be called that. The argument is as fierce, though, but about different things. The new divide is just as deep and extreme as the old one, although socialism, yea or nay, really isn’t part of it. It REALLY calls for new labels to avoid that sort of confusion.

Posted by: jonboinAR | Jul 7 2024 20:35 utc | 182

Isn’t it weird we can’t readily find information about what’s happening with Covid? Our wonderful, far thinking government dismantles testing and contact tracing, shortening isolation times for the benefit of ‘commerce’, undoing any possible hint that ‘we are in this together’ –> “you do you”, removes required masking in HEALTH CARE and everywhere else(die faster scum), making workers go back to work while actively infected (more infectious than measles with every iteration) i mean, this is EUGENICS. Let ‘er rip is a MASS DISABLING EVENT
Citizens continue to spread Covid willy nilly manufacturing one immune resistant variant after another until we hit the jackpot…EVERYONE IS VULNERABLE to this virus, with very very few exceptions. Every infection (our wonderful government expects us to catch it 2x/year-THERE IS NO IMMUNITY
Lambert’s Covid Roundup July 4, 2024
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/07/200pm-water-cooler-7-3-2024.html

Posted by: furies | Jul 7 2024 20:40 utc | 184

Orban’s being on the way to China (after Russia) must mean that something is up.

Posted by: Lysias | Jul 7 2024 20:43 utc | 186

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 20:34 utc | 181
In the UK the Conservatives handed over to the Conservatives, Starmer is an obvious Establishment operative and full on pro-NATO, pro-Ukraine War and Zionist (he even married an Uber Zionist and is bringing up his children Zionist). Starmer’s job is to keep the Establishment’s snouts deeply in the trough of no-bid corrupt government contracts and “Public Private Partnerships” while the gutting of the NHS continues. After 5 years of that probably a “miraculous” Conservative (the Party actually accurately named) recovery or a fully “educated” Reform. The UK Greens are also a bunch of upper middle class green neoliberal types and the NDP another Establishment tool.
Le Pen will learn her lesson, and will probably be allowed to win next time. Just like Meloni.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 7 2024 20:44 utc | 188

Orban’s being on the way to China (after Russia) must mean that something is up.
Posted by: Lysias | Jul 7 2024 20:43 utc | 186
Honest Broker?

Posted by: jpc | Jul 7 2024 20:49 utc | 190

Isn’t it weird we can’t readily find information about what’s happening with Covid?
Posted by: furies | Jul 7 2024 20:40 utc | 184
Is this satire?
“while actively infected (more infectious than measles with every iteration)”
Must be satire.
Covid is worse now than ever, and information about it is “freely” and “easily” accessible, except for all the medical license revoked, deplatforming, and character assassination of anybody who state facts inconvenient to the narrative.
The funeral pyres burn day and night, and yet the masses still do not acknowledge the deadliness of this.
Maybe when the cdc spokesperson said 20 million dead best case scenario, they meant over 100 years, kind of like “two weeks to flatten the curve” ended up meaning over two years, much to the chagrin of the ugly people who wanted masking for life.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 20:51 utc | 192

Things like average age, natural immunity, diagnosis and reporting ect come into it. India had nets across the Ganges to catch the bodies as there wasn’t enough wood for the funeral pyres.
South America was hit hard.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 21:01 utc | 194

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 19:44 utc | 166
Marxist believe in class struggle.
Marxists believe that oppression stems from class.
Panthers believed in race struggle.
Panthers believed it stemmed from race.
There is a difference.
Apparently Marxists also believe the Black Panther party was a Marxist organization because there is a whole section on the Black panther Party over at Marxists.org so maybe you should set them straight as well. https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/
Would a marxist demand only certain races be excluded from the draft?
If a marxist saw that racism was a societal problem that had to be resolved before other problems could be addressed i suspect they would.
If however that marxist was a pedantic asshat then perhaps not … however that asshat would certainly make a great Stalinist commissar.
One of the tricks of leadership is to find a cause the people you are trying to lead can get behind rather than some ideological principle they don’t identify with. While I’m sure Huey and Bobby would have loved to simply campaign on a plan to stop the war and end the draft for everyone it would have been a hard sell to the Black Community.
However if you demand that black men be excluded from the draft then that’s something specific the community can get behind. Marxism is an idea after all and ideas are simply tools of the mind rather than a code of laws to be obeyed.
And I think it is funny today even, if you ever listen to black political commentators on race, how they respond to people asking them about communism, or banking, or capitalism.
The response is almost always, we have to deal with racism first. If you cate about those white problems, talk about it yourself. We are here to talk about black problems
I listen to very few black political commentators simply because there isn’t a big enough black community here to politicize. Smart people who care about their own people look after issues in their own community first before trying to save the world. Academics and keyboard warriors do the opposite.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 7 2024 21:07 utc | 196

I listen to very few black political commentators simply because there isn’t a big enough black community here to politicize. Smart people who care about their own people look after issues in their own community first before trying to save the world. Academics and keyboard warriors do the opposite.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 7 2024 21:07 utc | 196
I know huh!? Who cares about Palestine and Russia? ‘Are you Jewish or something? Why do you post in the Ukraine and Palestine threafds? Er, I mean Springfield is a part of us all, a part of us all, a part of us all. A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man. It is perfectly cromulent to ignore everything else.
And…
Black people are my people, “smart person”.
Newsflash:
Americans are more than just whatever you assume I am and whose issues in what communities I should be attending to.
Hey, “smart person”. Only a smart person would look at what they just wrote, about worrying about their own communities after arguing for hours about a small, defunct black radical organization from 45 years, and that “smart person” would decide NOT to post such hypocritical drivel.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 21:18 utc | 198

“Apparently Marxists also believe the Black Panther party was a Marxist organization ..”
Yeah, and I read a book that said the Tai Ping rebellion was a Marxist uprising.
It had marxist elements, as almost all uprisings do, that doesn’t make it marxist.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 7 2024 21:22 utc | 200