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July 2, 2024
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I thought this might be of interest to the broader MoA community. Just released, this bit of news, from Canada’s PM Trudeau (it’s not that long so I’ll put the whole darn thing in this post):
Joint statement by Prime Minister Trudeau and President von der Leyen on the association of Canada to Horizon Europe
“We warmly welcome today’s association of Canada to Pillar II of Horizon Europe, the European Union’s framework programme for research and innovation. This is an important milestone in the long-standing strategic partnership between the European Union and Canada.
“Canada’s association to Horizon Europe demonstrates our joint commitment to enhanced collaboration in research and innovation. And it also signals a new chapter for our researchers on both sides of the Atlantic. By combining the strengths of our research communities, we can accomplish greater scientific breakthroughs and technological progress, and become better equipped to meet today’s global challenges and succeed in the Green and Digital Transitions.
“Canada’s association to Horizon Europe will allow us to build on our research and innovation co-operation in crucial areas such as oceans, health, raw materials, energy and bioeconomy, as well as artificial intelligence, cybersecurity, and digital infrastructure. Researchers in Canada will have access to the network of European researchers and beyond. This deeper relationship will also boost economic opportunities and contribute to job creation and growth in both regions.
“The European Union and Canada will continue open, transparent, and inclusive co-operation as we go forward, actively collaborating with our businesses, civil society, and academia. We will also ensure support for diversity and gender equality, as well as learning from the knowledge of Indigenous Peoples.
“Today’s signature reflects the European Union’s and Canada’s commitment to foster mutual collaboration in research and innovation and contributes to further deepening our strategic partnership.”

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 3 2024 13:11 utc | 101

Blues @ 101
Good to see you blues, hope your well, pile in.
I agree.
And add… split the whole population into those who own their home and those who dont… with the effects on how far your wages stretch (rent, no rent) then kids educaction, med insurence ect. Even time you can affored on travil holidays. Its nothig to do with ability alk to do with privalige.
Its a glass ceiling.
With the middle class turkeys now voting for xmas.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2024 13:13 utc | 102

Posted by: Honzo | Jul 3 2024 5:17 utc | 83
Great post, much appreciated. Very interesting remarks about objective reality versus psyops/imagined realities.
My POV is simple: just as we have both visible physical bodies so also we have invisible, formless but vividly qualitative minds. Reality comprises both, so reality here is an experience. The latter point is the dividing line between objectivists – who are nearly always also physicalists – and non-materialists, who go madly off in all directions.
The Asians found a way to include both whilst retaining some sort of steady Middle. The old word for Buddhism is Madhyamika means ‘Middle Path’ as in not straying into any extreme on either side. Man in old Chinese thought ‘joins’ Heaven and Earth by remaining in the middle. This principle was used in poetry composition, flower arranging, painting and so forth; it is simple, intuitive, deep and extremely helpful. I use it every day composing haiku.
It seems to me modern Chinese still use it but since they never talk about it and mainly all I read is Global Times officialese, it’s hard to tell if they do so deliberately. I think their decision to ban most religion is a mistake, but they have considerable experience running large nations so maybe are right. I personally believe, however, that (as with communism) it’s unnatural to pick the objectivist only side and thus in the long-run societally harmful.
Again, though, I really enjoyed your post.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 3 2024 13:20 utc | 103

Posted by: Wei Wu Wei | Jul 3 2024 13:17 utc | 107
Scorpion | Jul 3 2024 12:55 utc | 102
Thank you for the commentary(?) I’ll take that as a no to my question then.
As for the CPC I wasn’t dictating I was teaching. But if I were you then I’d probably be saying things like ASU – America States United. You are uncomfortable and defensive, and it is hard to follow you so I will let it be. Forget it.

Apologies for being defensive; it’s a typical response to being attacked.
Moving on: thank you for your generous (not!) explanation of why someone should use CPC instead of the more widespread CCP.
However, since you choose again not to offer anything specific, only ad hominem, I remain unpersuaded so will indeed let it be. Forgotten!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 3 2024 13:27 utc | 104

My point is that both the law and intellectual reflection is usually slow to recognize that democracy has left the building, and even slower to admit to the reality that replaces it.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 2 2024 18:51 utc | 30
Yep. Im constantly amazed by the people around me who actualy exist in a separate reality while sharing the same space and time.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 3 2024 13:45 utc | 105

to limert #97. Well said. It should be called election fraud. Thank you. To the doubters, what do you call it when a touchscreen Diable-bold machine changes a voter’s choice as the voter watches? What do you call it when the printout from said machine does not match the tally for the number of voters who used said machine? Perhaps “hack” is not the correct word. Shall we say “fraudulent manipulation?” Cheers

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jul 3 2024 13:56 utc | 106

Victory in Mexico!! A long battle ends with victory for AMLO against Monsanto, now owned by Bayer.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/07/mexico-scores-major-victory-against-bayer-owned-monsanto-as-corn-war-with-us-reaches-decisive-moment.html

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 3 2024 14:15 utc | 107

But we have an election coming up and once the selected candidate takes office, everything will be ok – we know this because each of them said so: https://folkpotpourri.com/the-debate-over-the-non-debate/

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Jul 3 2024 14:40 utc | 108

It is difficult (impossible?) to talk about the 2024 US Presidential election without saying the words Ukraine or Palestine.
I am voting for Jill Stein.
This morning I was feeling rather cynical and asking myself, “Why should I participate in putting another layer of paint
on the Potemkin Village that is our so-called democracy”.
Then I read the following article from Haaretz of all places.
It starts off rather unsavory but gets better and better the more it quotes from Jill Stein.
Please read it.
Read it and you might wonder too if Jill is a bar fly.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-18/ty-article-magazine/.premium/i-was-taught-genocide-should-never-happen-again-jill-stein-vs-the-state-of-israel/0000018e-f28f-dea6-ab9e-f28f095d0000
archived:
https://archive.ph/P6SPR

Posted by: librul | Jul 3 2024 15:53 utc | 109

Posted by: Wei Wu Wei | Jul 3 2024 13:17 utc | 107
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scorpion is trolling
Dont expect a straight ans from it.
poop

Why is denk so nasty , I didunuthin.

MUch like Morrison complaining..

Why is China so mean to us, we didunuthin.

cheeky eh ?
LIke Deb suggests, no point engaging the creature.
Me, I call him out.
Between the shifty chameleon, er, the scorpion and straight talking Lavro, I’d take the latter any time.

Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2024 17:16 utc | 110

A good long and comprehensive article in COUNTER PUNCH today about the Trump/Biden debate by Jeffery St. Clair titled: “Biden in the Bardo”
\https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/07/03/biden-in-the-bardo/
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Like I said it is good, a bit long because it is quite compressive.
My takeaway is that Biden must go, and a large segment of the DP agrees, but a small click of DNC party members, some party doners (possibly even pro-Trump doners), and the Biden family (Hunter wants his pardon) are going to push Joe Biden (warts, and all) down the throats of the Democratic voters and ultimately the throats of the American people.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 3 2024 17:47 utc | 111

old timer can skip this…
I repost it every election time.

Of course in the West people are free to choose which of their “leaders” will be raping Africa, the Middle East or Asia.
Who will be overthrowing the truly democratic governments in independent countries? Who will be whipping the buttocks of the patriots? Who will be looting Congo and Papua?
They can choose the face, like in some violent video game. The engine, the system behind that face (or call it a mask), is permanent. It does not change.

https://cdn.countercurrents.org/vltchek080216.htm
PS
somebody should do an autopsy on Andre

Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2024 17:59 utc | 112

Scorpion, Wei Wu, denk etc. …
From where I’m looking all are spiralling around something that no one know’s what, and leaning on each other is not going to provide any kind of support.
No one asked me, and sometimes (just sometimes) people figure out the other’s point of view and a discussion then becomes of great benefit to all.
What was the saying “One man’s troll is another’s garden gnome” ? I don’t remember… because I just made that up, haha.
It’s ok to be good towards each other though, and in spite of any differences.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 3 2024 18:01 utc | 113

The SCO Summit’s in full swing in Astana as I report, “Off to Astana and SCO Summit”. Lavrov revealed that Russia’s comedy duo Vovan and Lexus have duped Mad Mama Hillary Clinton, which can be viewed here, with the citation at the website saying “Hillary Clinton called on Ukraine to go on the offensive at the front so that Biden is re-elected in the United States.” This week’s MFA briefing is presented by Deputy Director of the Information and Press Department Alexander Nastasin, thus giving Maria a well-deserved break, and is shorter than usual, although it leads with the Ukraine Crisis.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2024 18:03 utc | 114

It’s ok to be good towards each other though, and in spite of any differences.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 3 2024 18:01 utc | 113
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I’ve zero tolerance for a bald faced liar like the poop.
Caitlin Johnstone

I’m developing a special disdain for people who mindlessly regurgitate US anti-China narratives, especially people who are normally skeptical of US government claims. There’s just no excuse for this nonsense. The geostrategic agendas are so obvious, and the facts are so readily available for anyone intellectually honest enough to look.

I strike out two sentences cuz far from ‘normally skeptical of US government claims’, the poop has been their mouthpiece at the bar.
GUess what , it HAS the cheek calling Caitlin a CIA BOT !

Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2024 18:24 utc | 115

We dindunuthin is a garden psyhcosis.
Exhibit B
Ex jap FM, TARO ASO
complaining to his Indian host…

iN the past centuries, jap and China didnt have any good relation, I wonder why ?

Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2024 18:35 utc | 116

Clown World with great gravitas discusses how many angels fit on the head of a pin. Guess if you’re dumb enough to answer a poll you are dumb enough to vote for Michelle Obama.

Michelle Obama only worthy rival to Trump – Reuters/Ipsos poll
Of all the possible Democratic candidates to replace Joe Biden were he to quit, only Michelle Obama could beat Trump in the November elections, according to a Reuters and Ipsos poll.
50% of respondents would support her in a straight battle with Trump, while only 30% ready to vote for the Republican in that head-to-head.
Trump would beat Kamala Harris 43% to 42% and California Governor Gavin Newsom 42% to 39% in their respective theoretical face-offs.
“>https://t.me/RTnews_unc3/32979

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 3 2024 18:44 utc | 117

The problem with claiming enough vote fraud (or election fraud a distinction I don’t think makes a difference) is that if you have fifty vote counting systems no one party can control the national election. Every Blue State has enough Red that it’s unlikely even they can get away with that much fakery. Every attempt to claim enough fraud to deduce Trump actually “won” the vote is a lie. As to local fraud, things like walking around money etc. require money which means these end up being politically conservative, certainly not evil Globalists or whatever demon you imagine.
CCP is mildly pejorative because it carries the old implied notion of the CPC as puppets of Stalin. It’s like saying Democrat Party instead of Democratic Party because you don’t want to hint they’re, well, Democratic.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 3 2024 21:06 utc | 118

The 2020 election wasn’t stolen.
@7

Posted by: Ben Trovata | Jul 3 2024 22:42 utc | 119

Fuck off!

Posted by: Ben Trovata | Jul 3 2024 22:53 utc | 120

It’s like saying Democrat Party instead of Democratic Party because you don’t want to hint they’re, well, Democratic.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 3 2024 21:06 utc | 118
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After that Party’s performance in the 2016, 2020, and 2024 primary seasons, and having fought for in court and even won a ruling that it can disregard primary election results, I think we can say that the “Democratic Party” is anything but democratic. Myself, I prefer “Dim Party”…

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 3 2024 23:05 utc | 121

Michelle Obama only worthy rival to Trump – Reuters/Ipsos poll
@Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 3 2024 18:44 utc | 117
Sheeple are most comfortable when 1) told what to believe and 2) to follow the crowd,
thus the effectiveness of rigged (what isn’t?) polls.

Posted by: librul | Jul 3 2024 23:15 utc | 122

“Every attempt to claim enough fraud to deduce Trump actually “won” the vote is a lie.“
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 3 2024 21:06 utc | 118
Yet there are a number of “impossible” coincidences and patterns that appear when the election results are analyzed statistically that simply should not happen ever in a fair election. Like an exact fractional relationship between the Trump vote and the total number of votes reported from several precincts simultaneously in the live election night vote count reports. This anomaly is revealed by the amusing coincidence that the total number of votes reported at a specific time from a specific precinct is an exact multiple of Trump’s fraction. So if Trump’s fraction is 3/7, the total number of votes from that precinct must be a multiple of 7. Over 300 instances of this has been found in Georgia alone.
There has also been found a relationship between the number of Trump’s votes, and the number of mail-in ballots, indicating that the mail-in ballots were used to steer the end result towards a specific outcome.
These are only two of several such anomalies that have been found in 3 out of three states that were analyzed. It does not need to have happened in all states – they only had to flip a number of key states. But the total number of votes that were flipped may have been as high as 20 million, according to one analysis, based on a broad range of data.

Posted by: Limert | Jul 3 2024 23:21 utc | 123

After that Party’s performance in the 2016, 2020, and 2024 primary seasons, and having fought for in court and even won a ruling that it can disregard primary election results, I think we can say that the “Democratic Party” is anything but democratic. Myself, I prefer “Dim Party”…
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 3 2024 23:05 utc | 121
The party is legally a private corporation and it’s board may do whatever they decide to do. I don’t think most people have any knowledge of that fact.
Wilding, et. al. v. DNC Services, d/b/a DNC was the case

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 3 2024 23:33 utc | 124

@123
The likelihood that99.9% of the votes delivered and counted after midnight were for Biden is hugely tiny!
The gaslighting is huge: the fascists said Trump should organized the late deliveries for his side of the cheating.
The democrat crooks see their malfeasance justified by the hanging chads in 2000 that got UU W zBush

Posted by: paddy | Jul 3 2024 23:53 utc | 125

lmao
https://x.com/mtracey/status/1807541656029176203
Michael Tracey @mtracey Roving journalist
You don’t understand! When Trump bombed Syria twice, tried to overthrow the government of Venezuela, started arming Ukraine, expanded NATO twice, got record-busting military budgets, dropped a record number of bombs in Afghanistan, signed off on FISA warrantless surveillance, imposed massive sanctions on Russia, tore up arms control treaties, handed over the State Department to Mike Pompeo, stationed US troops in Taiwan, assassinated Iran’s top general, conducted a record number of drone strikes, installed a Raytheon Lobbyist as his Defense Secretary, gave Israel absolutely everything it wanted, did enormous arms deals with Saudi Arabia, and most recently orchestrated the passage of the $100 Billion War Funding Bill, he was doing all that to fight the Deep State

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 4 2024 0:04 utc | 126

The party is legally a private corporation and it’s board may do whatever they decide to do. I don’t think most people have any knowledge of that fact.
Wilding, et. al. v. DNC Services, d/b/a DNC was the case
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 3 2024 23:33 utc | 124
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Yes indeed, that was the ruling. It hardly counters my argument that the “Democratic Party” is anything but democratic. Nice try though.
By the way, isn’t it an obscenity that such a private corporation conducts its “elections” at public expense?

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 0:05 utc | 127

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 3 2024 13:11 utc | 101
Looks like canada got itself a piece of the de industrialized EU. More than likeley its just a way to turn public money into private. If you spoke lizard, back behind the curtain In the smoking mans room you have an excellent chance of hearing gleeful giggling at how much money we can now give to 404.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 4 2024 1:12 utc | 128

Limert@123 seems not to be aware of the extensive problem with false positive reports of significant patterns is so pervasive in many branches of science that such problems are blamed for the “replication crisis.” Apophenia is a real thing. The bare presentation of such statistical tests simply isn’t good enough, and it was an error not just in scientific literature but here as well. Statistics are easy to lie with, prompting the phrase, “Lies, damn lies and statistics.”
Worse, the breezy assurance that “they” only needed to flip a few states sharply contradicts the simultaneous claim of 20 million votes flipped.
Even worse, this evidence should have been presented in courts to support the extensive legal challenges, not on a random commentariat dedicated largely to Trumpery. Presenting the code for these algorithms was the road to legally overturning the election but a road not taken, for unknown reasons.*
Worst of all, the notion that an unknown number of the many voting sites could be flipped by unknown parties with unknown means in such a way that Republicans in the vote counting centers were entirely helpless to catch and the Republicans in the courts were fixing the verdicts so that no election fraud challenges could be upheld is, briefly, nuts.
The last feeble dart, mail in ballots, suffers from two defects. Mailing in mass numbers of falsified ballots to flip a state is not just something that would inevitably leave some trail to be traced by investigators, it also implies the ability to predict the future. (The desperate like to fixate on late ballots to try to avoid this but any demonstration of that many late ballots on a multistate scale wasn’t produced for unknown reasons.*) And of course decreeing mail in ballots illegitimate in principle for 2020 is a form of vote suppression. Vote suppression is itself an instance of election fraud.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 4 2024 1:14 utc | 129

*unknown reasons could mean the Republican Party, agents of the Deep State and servants of the PMC as well a globalist cultural Marxists, a well known fact or because the evidence doesn’t exist to be produced. You pick which is more likely.
Footnote to @129

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 4 2024 1:17 utc | 130

Yes indeed, that was the ruling. It hardly counters my argument that the “Democratic Party” is anything but democratic. Nice try though.
By the way, isn’t it an obscenity that such a private corporation conducts its “elections” at public expense?
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 0:05 utc | 127
Yes it is obscene.
I wasn’t trying to counter your argument, I’m not sure why you thought that.
I was trying to augment it and provide the case name so anyone can look it up. Very few people realize their “primary election” result is no different than a decision from the board of Walmart.

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 4 2024 1:30 utc | 131

The posts concerning the status of amerika’s dims being corporate rather than participatory reflects a reality that has evolved since the 1980’s privatisation boom when allegedly ‘left’ political organisations around the world that formerly had a culture of mass participation changed either by virtue of rule changes or the boredom inherent in attending meetings quashing open debate by insisting on the ‘westminister rules’ – continual points of information or points of order from some jackass halting normal discourse.
Frequently no information in the point just as no order. That type of meeting which should only be permitted in committee following a method where every person officially attending gets a say in a maximum time of say, 3 minutes, became de rigeur at electorate/district meetings of political organisations.
It was frequently initiated by the ‘old hands’, ie former pols & the like as a way of shutting down younger, newer people attending who were agitating for change.
I dunno how many have attended such a meeting but it sends a normal person crazy because ‘the chair’ whose determinations are binding stood blatantly on one side of the fence.
People just stop attending and no amount of social gatherings by the branch party concerned, can ever repair the damage done by deliberately shutting down a person who thinks he/she has something vital to get off their chest on an issue they are passionate about.
I’m not talking about the single issue bores or the types who rant on and on about any and every thing, I’m talking about normal people pissed at some affront over anything from local garbage collection to the way their nation is going about a conflict.
Such types are normally rational human beings who respond positively to others with a differing point of view answering them rationally & considerately.
When public utilities etc began to be sold off many pols didn’t want to respond to any rational queries because, what could they say – there’s nothing rational about privatising a monopoly service such as electricity supply or water reticulation or railways or any of the other myriad services which had been owned by the state or local authority, so the pols hid behind issues by getting tame ‘chairs’ to invoke westminister rules.
Normal people stopped attending meetings and these ersatz leftie pols no longer had a ready pool of donors to stake ’em next election. Consequently the pols turned to corporate ‘donors’. Membership in districts/constituencies fell off fast requiring more corporate support & everything worsened for jo/joe citizen.
I told the story previously about when I was seconded to Canberra and my minister whined to me one friday about having to fly home for a branch meeting “F..kin awful” he said “it’ll go on for hours and hours, the only people attending will be either ridiculously ambitious or insane, most often both”.
That from a man representing the oldest political party in Oz, one with nearly 150 years of keen participation by unionists, ordinary workers & loyal, committed followers and his once great political movement had become this.
That was 30 years ago, things have got much worse and it was inevitable that once the dedicated members left or died with no one to replace them the new breed of ‘career politician’ would move quickly to ensure the entity could never fall victim to ordinary humans ever again.
Hence the introduction of a corporate structures and super delegates in amerika where ordinary humans are not permitted the option of creating an alternative political movement.
The reason why is apparent if we consider the rise then fall of J. Corbyn esq. The previous labour leader who wasn’t particularly ‘left’ but was concerned about falling membership altered the rules of england’s labour party so from then on party leaders would be elected by all party members and not just the members of parliament. The tories (conservative party) had done this for years hence sunak’s inability to win against truss, tory members disliked the colour of sunak’s skin.
membership of the labour party soared during Corbyn’s campaign for leader and continued to increase to triple the previous membership once he won. This scared the shit outta neo-lib pretend lefties and drove the campaign by professional pols to destroy Mr Corbyn’s support. They were hugely assisted by all england’s major media outfits. After Mr Corbyn lost the 2nd time and starmer lied his way into the leader’s gig, the first move was to chase all the ‘new’ members out of the party. Then they chased out all the older leftie members particularly Mr Corbyn himself.
Whilst there is a chance albeit small of more participatory political movements being constructed from the ground up in many nation states, that option doesn’t exist in amerika for reasons discussed here frequently.
I just don’t see any hope of amerika reverting and not much but some of england, germany or france managing to turn the clock back.
Amerika is too big, too diverse and divided to be able to do the same, imo.
That means it’s gonna take a lot longer. Most will want to keep their nation in one piece and it will take many years of failing before sufficient people accept there can be no going back.
I wish I could be more positive but frankly self-delusion is the worst thing at the moment. It’s gonna take a long time before even young amerikans can slough off their cradle up to now indoctrination en masse, so they can envisage living in a smaller but more directly democratic nation.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 4 2024 1:41 utc | 132

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 4 2024 1:17 utc | 130
I grew up in Chicago and one of my grandfathers and several uncles were part of the machine that got JFK elected, buying votes for $20 a pop. My grandfather made enough on that election to put himself in business for himself. All of them were involved in throwing local, county and state elections.
If you think that somehow vote fraud has disappeared with modern voting machines and databases, you’re a fool.
The reality is the exact opposite, it has made it easier, faster, more efficient and more accurate.
Who votes doesn’t matter, who counts them does. When buying and selling is controlled by the legislature, the first thing bought and sold is not the legislature, but the vote counters.

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 4 2024 1:45 utc | 133

And of course decreeing mail in ballots illegitimate in principle for 2020 is a form of vote suppression. Vote suppression is itself an instance of election fraud.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 4 2024 1:14 utc | 129
Yep, decreeing illegitimate ballots as fraudulent is… fraud.
Black is white.

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 4 2024 2:08 utc | 134

Membership of the labour party soared during Corbyn’s campaign for leader and continued to increase to triple the previous membership once he won. This scared the shit outta neo-lib pretend lefties and drove the campaign by professional pols to destroy Mr Corbyn’s support. They were hugely assisted by all england’s major media outfits. After Mr Corbyn lost the 2nd time and starmer lied his way into the leader’s gig, the first move was to chase all the ‘new’ members out of the party. Then they chased out all the older leftie members particularly Mr Corbyn himself.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 4 2024 1:41 utc | 132
Yep. I was there at the time, I had rejoined Labour after about 30 years and got very involved locally. It was a very exciting time, we all thought that one more heave and we would be there. And how close we came, although I wonder how long a left Labour government and Corbyn would have been allowed to survive. We’ll never know.
Well fond memories, but I have learned a lot since about how the world works, and today we will be watching the farce of another General Election. Particularly interested to see how our side get on, particularly in Starmer’s constituency, and Galloway and Murray up north, but I fear that Galloway will be one of few opposition winners (even Corbyn himself in doubt) and the people of the UK will have voted for more of the same with the other side of the Uniparty getting a monstrous majority. But a Tory wipe out will be worth a celebration on Friday night. Cheers!

Posted by: Walt | Jul 4 2024 2:08 utc | 135

Kamala Harris should undertake to legalize pot at the Federal level, if she wants to be propular. Promise to leave Russia and China alone, too.

Posted by: lester | Jul 4 2024 2:52 utc | 136

“I believe the strange mistranslations on chinese signs come about because of the very different nature chinese language operates with signs.
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 3 2024 13:09 utc | 100”
Chinese language is a normal human language. Writing a Chinese character is not different from writing a word with half a dozen alphabetic signs.

Posted by: lester | Jul 4 2024 2:59 utc | 137

It’s gonna take a long time before even young amerikans can slough off their cradle up to now indoctrination en masse, so they can envisage living in a smaller but more directly democratic nation.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 4 2024 1:41 utc | 132
So, Debsisdead, when last were you in conversation with Americans,young or old, indoctrinated or not?
I don’t know any such as you describe —and I ride the rails with a few of them, as well have a lively bunch of grandkids none of which are as you say ‘indoctrinated en masse’. Sure, many of them are out to have a good time, they sort of resemble the beachgoers on Crimean shores, ’cause it is summertime. And many of them, thanks to current government policies are loaded with undeserved debt since that is the only way to try to get an education and the ephemeral job market is just that – ephemeral.
But savvy? I will tell you these kids are savvy. They know what’s what. And like USSR kids they are potential leaders every one of them. Doesn’t matter the ‘indoctrination’ being slung at them by the media; they are resourceful, have to be to survive.
Nobody’s indoctrinated — nobody!!!!
Thanks to whomever put up the Haaretz piece on Jill Stein. I would have read it but the catch is supplying my info – won’t do that, sorry.
Gee whiz.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 3:12 utc | 138

Trump, Biden or whoever doesn’t matter. It’s the power behind the throne. And, from what I’ve seen, they haven’t a shred of humanity in them. So who or what is this power?

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 4 2024 3:18 utc | 139

@ juliania
You don’t have to submit info to read the Haaretz article. librul | Jul 3 2024 15:53 utc | 109 provided an archive.ph link to the article that bypasses the Haaretz site.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 3:28 utc | 140

Furthermore, some say that the Jews control things. But who or what controls the Jews? Not to get metaphysical here, but it does seem to be an evil that’s behind everything.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 4 2024 3:30 utc | 141

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 3:28 utc | 140
Thanks very much, malenkov – I hadn’t seen that.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 3:48 utc | 142

re juliania | Jul 4 2024 3:12 utc | 138 who asked how often I had contact with amerikans and I’m not gonna say daily but at least a couple times a week I talk to friends the bulk of whom live on the coasts admittedly, but also in Az & whatever the abbrev is for montana.
When they are good friends I rarely go into politics nowadays because I find that no matter how sympathetic to some of what I say, they are I have yet to converse with an amerikan who doesn’t close off irrationally at some point.
marxism is a common subject where the average amerikan has been so indoctrinated that they can rarely discuss aspects of marxist philosophy rationally & factually. The intensity of the bulldust they have been told nearly always leds then to express some nonsensical assertion about marxism (NB it goes without saying that the furphy of something they call ‘cultural marxism’ which is neither marxist or cultural surfaces most often nowadays).
amerikan exceptionalism is another piece of arrant nonsense which has been ground into most amerikans. xtianity and the ridiculous certainty of of monotheism is almost 100% clung to in a way that simply doesn’t exist in other ‘western nations’.
Another is the designed to trick the masses into rule by the elites, amerikan constitution would be one more.
There are others however my point is that a far higher percentage of amerikans swallow these articles of indoctrination and cling to them as some sort of a liferaft than do people of other post-enlightenment societies.
That fact means there will be a much longer period of adjustment where people eject these false beliefs than anywhere else.
Obviously still hanging on to one or two shouldn’t be an obstruction but the fact than many amerikans fervently hold with pretty much all of ’em means that it will take a very long time before most amerikans can quit trying to put humpty back together again & get on with building a nation from what is available around them.
Many amerikans here like the comparison of their mess with the roman republic. Well after the roman empire finally gave up the ghost it wasn’t until 1861 that most (not all) of Italy united into a single nation state that is close to 1500 years after the end of empire.
That is an illustration of how long it can take for a former empire can take to rebuild into a cohesive unit after the empire collapses. IMO the reasons for that are much the same as what amerika will face. Too many self delusional beliefs mixed with outdated feelings of superiority, determination by old elites to continue as elites and outside states not allowing a recurrence.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 4 2024 4:03 utc | 143

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/amazon-contract-top-secret-australian-military-intelligence/104057196

In short:Three data centres will be built in secret locations to host Australia’s military secrets.
Amazon has won the $2 billion contract to store the classified intelligence.
What’s next?The massive project will roll out over several years, and is expected to create more than 2,000 jobs
American technology giant Amazon will establish a “top-secret” data cloud to store classified Australian military and intelligence information under a $2 billion partnership with the federal government.

Privatizing ‘intelligence’ storage… sounds a bit like a Stazi type record keeping setup. Files kept on everyone.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2024 4:08 utc | 144

RE:
My takeaway is that Biden must go, and a large segment of the DP agrees…………….
Posted by: Ed | Jul 3 2024 17:47 utc | 111
and similar opinions ideas – I do not get. Are you Pro-Democrat in the US? How could anyone possibly be that?
If you think Biden must go – then it helps the Democrat party and that promotes a different / better democrat candidate in the next election. Why would anyone here want to help the democrat party at the next election?
It goes without saying of course, why would anyone be Pro-GOP, or pro-Trump or want to help the Republican Party at the next election either?
I do not get this. Can someone please explain to me why anyone here would be recommending anything that might help either Candidate or either Party in November? Have they lost their minds or something? It’s just seems to irrational and self-defeating.
Thank you.
Confused

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 4 2024 4:12 utc | 145

RE “Nobody’s indoctrinated — nobody!!!!”
I am stunned that anyone could believe that. But I guess social media is intended to shock.

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 4 2024 4:17 utc | 146

Re: voting fraud in the USA (cont‘d)
4) No ID to register or vote – just fill out a form and sign it
5)local voting rolls are never updated – a voter dies or moves , He stays on the local voting roll.
As a joke I once registered my dog. Sure enough a few weeks later a card from the local voting authorities arrived in the mail addressed to
First Name – Rudy
Middle Name – The
Last Name – Dog
occupation – watchdog
That was 40 years ago, I suspect Rudy The Dog has dutifully cast a vote in every election since.

Posted by: Exile | Jul 4 2024 4:36 utc | 147

@ I’m Confused | Jul 4 2024 4:12 utc | 145 who only seems confused about the power exhibited by media control of human “world views” and how things work within that construct.
For all my time posting here I have been pointing out the public/private finance conflict at the heart of our civilization war but, like you note clearly, left and right is all folks know and thoughts of top/bottom are ignored.
For folks in the China/Russia axis, and especially those countries with ugly colonial past/present, the empire media no longer is believed or even listened to.
When empire goes down and the media fire hoses of lies are turned off, it will take some time for the victims of the empire brainwashing to open to other ways of organizing society…..like public finance as a global utility and no more private finance existing off patriarchal, monotheistic Might-Makes-Right barbaristic elite.
The China/Russia axis are working to move society in that direction but thousands of years of social stagnation/hubris are holding on for dear life by those still in control of the West…..Hi Pope Frank, King Chuck and others behind the curtain!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2024 4:37 utc | 148

Thanks, Debsisdead | Jul 4 2024 4:03 utc | 143. That’s a very comprehensive post, and I’d be at fault on two counts: Christianity and inability to converse about Marxism. I did read some portions of his works as a senior in college and thought his arguments were sensible ones, sort of Dickensian at the time, but that’s a very shallow memory to be sure. I wasn’t fond of either the USSR or China around the time of the Cultural Revolution, though I very much admire both countries and their leadership now.
My problem would be the feeling that any in the US who are indoctrinated into feelings of superiority have to belong to the well off class of citizens, which really only comprises, if we are generous, ten percent of the population. I would grant you that there is a degree of belief in the resiliency of economic factors which isn’t really tenable — this is an election year and so the best face is being put on that element. We will only know what is really happening after the election. So yes, attempts at normality we all can presently savor, but I think everyone knows that’s now, and not what we may soon be facing.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 4:59 utc | 149

RE “Nobody’s indoctrinated — nobody!!!!”
I am stunned that anyone could believe that. But I guess social media is intended to shock.
Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 4 2024 4:17 utc | 146

The good thing about vaccination is that we now have pretty reliable data about percentage of indoctrinated population.

Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jul 4 2024 5:58 utc | 150

(in case this hasn’t been brought up already.)
The explanation of Biden’s debate performance that we’ve all been waiting for:
https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1807603932048544080
https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1807603930601578971
(Russia used directed energy waves to fry Biden’s brain – AKA “Havana Syndrome”.)

Posted by: retroflecks | Jul 4 2024 6:17 utc | 151

If a globalist hegemon wanted to get rid of all the people who distrust govt and media, what better way to accomplish that than to insert the idea into the “dissenter” community to hate all vaccines? And then to let rip a new bioweapon virus that the truating sheeples are all vaccinated against, but the “dissenters” are not?

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 4 2024 6:19 utc | 152

Tucker Carlson Notices Something About The Debate No One Noticed
with Russell Brand
https://youtu.be/5XRiQFouDoo?si=_HyezfmuikWxxPeE&t=395

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 4 2024 6:25 utc | 153

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 4 2024 4:17 utc | 146
I did not mean that there are not attempts at indoctrination, there absolutely are, and that is why I counsel not to read or listen to mainstream media in the US – it is all totally corrupted. What I meant by saying that nobody is indoctrinated is that sooner or later, (and it is very much now later), the vast majority in any country comes face to face with reality. And then such attempts to persuade become meaningless. It happened in the Soviet Union, and it is happening now in the US. I didn’t watch the ‘debate’; I didn’t have to. I looked at comments online. Then, I even went to the daily blog, a New Zealand site — they have heretofore been what I would call ‘the indoctrinated’- the main essay I saw there was the one I posted on the recent Biden thread. Shock and horror at the display of near-morbidity was how that essay characterized a universal shudder going through every comment I saw, whether from this country or elsewhere. Everyone, even Trump apparently, turned away from what they were witnessing.
So that was what I meant when I said that nobody was being indoctrinated. Not that the attempt was not and isn’t still being made, but that in the face of that reality ( I saw it in my own dear father before he died) nothing anyone can do or say prevents that truth from searing itself on everyone’s understanding, be they sage or barely competent themselves.
This man is become death — and how is it they think we can be distracted from seeing it? How is it they do not lead him kindly away to silent and gentle hospice surroundings, but still attempt to shore up his presidency?? Who is it that is making the decisions that a man in his position must make??? It isn’t him, that is clear. Tell me that a majority of Americans are not asking these questions and I’ll get them (and you) a beautiful bridge presently firmly anchored at both ends; it’s in Brooklyn, I am pretty sure — at a stunningly rockbottom price!
To further mixmatch metaphors, it just won’t fly; that dog won’t hunt; are you kidding me???? I knew John Kennedy, and you, sir, are not him! And, there I go again.
(sigh)

Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 7:37 utc | 154

f the US *Presidents* now have immunity from prosecution for crimes committed while in office …. where does that leave Biden, who committed some of his crimes while *Vice President*?
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 2 2024 23:02 utc | 60
The immunity isn’t blanket. They are still subject to prosecution for crimes not related to performance of their duties as Prez, eg rape.
And for crimes that are related to performance of their duties, there is impeachment & removal.

Posted by: Mary | Jul 4 2024 7:45 utc | 155

juliania | Jul 4 2024 7:37 utc | 154
Bidens condition has been obvious for a long time. Blinkin has long been his minder but now it seems it is his wife. Bidens sponsors, that faction of the US deep state or whatever term anyone wants to use for them have obviously decided Biden is a burden and have given him the chop. The presidential debate, apparently far earlier than usual was a setup to ensure even his most ardent peasant supporters could no longer deny his condition.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2024 7:57 utc | 156

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 4 2024 4:03 utc | 143
Oops, I forgot one, Debsisdead. It’s always good to have three things one has to ‘mea culpa’ about, and, rereading more carefully your post, I do see my third one. It’s a biggie: the Constitution. Yes, I have to confess: I am fond of the Constitution of the United States of America. Not just a piece of paper – GB was the one who said that, so you are in that sort of company, which I suspect you wouldn’t like.
So that makes three – 1) not good at Marxism 2) Christian 3) likes the Constitution
Yep, thoroughly indoctrinized… – ated. Whatever. (Just kidding, as my younger sons would always hastily mention after saying something they knew I didn’t like. And when little old me starts kidding, well, the world just might be coming to an end because I am famous for having the sense of humor of a porcupine… see?)

Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 8:06 utc | 157

The presidential debate, apparently far earlier than usual was a setup
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2024 7:57 utc | 156

“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2024 8:08 utc | 158

too scents | Jul 4 2024 8:08 utc | 158 “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
The msm simply parrot the narrative without question. The instant and combined media response was a dead giveaway.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2024 8:18 utc | 159

No Artificial Intelligence was harmed in constructing the above several comments.
Happy Fourth of July!

Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 8:19 utc | 160

The instant and combined media response
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2024 8:18 utc | 159

I see that as an example of mass delusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_plague_of_1518

Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2024 8:32 utc | 161

Ascension of the Great Knight Dope Day in the U.K.
Obviously timed to be on 4th July, the crass abjuration to the fairytale of the American Nightmare.
Brits are now wholly Yankee Doodles.
All Our Base Are Star Spangled
We will soon have to spell Color instead of colour.
What a Revolution.
Squeaky Dalek Voiced State Department Flunky Gaoler of Assange is the Great Knight Dipshit deep state promoted to Gaoler of the Collective Waste; New Cold War and Iron Curtain. Exterminator of the Gazans. Butcher of Palestine babies. Protector of paedophiles… simply a total Complete Utter Nazio Turd.
He is tasked to bring the gammon ‘home’ and keep it ‘pure’ from the multipolar majority of Humanity that knows it does not have to be Aryan to be Big and Clever.
Not just the bacon but the chickens will come Home to Roost.
Postal Votes are the Smoking Gun of this Century’s Facist War Mongering.
Killary still thinks/knows she runs the show as geniuses Vovan and Lexus, get her to cackle – that Yatz is doing good and Poroshenko is still involved in ukcrapian mass feeding into the mincer of its own peeps!
It’s all right baby Woke , here comes your Great Knight Dope
Shiny armour for the Collective Wasters shit stained skin.
Anointed with perfume a real king.
Charles the turd still feeling the prodding finger in his chest by the Ghostly Master
Just a toerag for the Real Empire. Like His Mom.
I bet the Vampires Ball, can’t wait to meet, greet, hug and kiss him.
Nazis and Nazi lovers VdL, Rutte, Sholtz and the Nordic quislings, the Vichy, the Spanish , Italian fascismos we are One Peoples. We are the volk!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 4 2024 8:57 utc | 162

95 min documentary on ‘stakeholder communism’ – where WEF’s fusion of western capitalism and Chinese managerial communism is headed.
https://rumble.com/v51bxc6-stakeholder-communism.-wef-global-plot-for-world-domination.-documentary-4-.html
It feel a little out of date to me, albeit the documentary was only released 2-3 months ago. But it is a reasonably comprehensive overview with dozens of clips from all around the world showing the influence of the WEF’s 2030 Agenda, aka Great Reset. I ignored it for a long time out of native cynicism, but after the internationally coordinated response to Covid benefiting the worlds 1% so effectively, and then its inclusion in the 2022 and 2023 BRICS Declarations, have changed views.
Schwab quit recently but I didn’t look into why yet. But it’s such a widespread initiative he started (or fronted) that it is unlikely his exit means the entire thrust has been abandoned. That said, the ‘right wing’ upsurge in Europe is a heartening sign of resistance, albeit probably won’t change much. We the People don’t have a very good track record at engendering long-term initiatives with legs.
Also, Simplicius published an article on his Dark Futura substack which is one of his best IMO: about how the absence of virtue in modern society is dooming it to disintegration with a few ideas about how to counter this unfortunate reality. Yet another piece challenging the dominant objectivist-materialism as being overly narrow bandwidth relative to human experience, thus to the great detriment of us all. Well worth a read.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2024 9:22 utc | 163

It seems my guess about Humpty Dumpty Modi of India is not far off.
He has gone to Kazakhstan for the SCO main meeting – but will go and see Putin in Moscow latter instead!
FM Jaishankar is representing India. Probably ok but don’t know his pedigree , if he is just another Bankers moll , like Modi or the real deal that finally wants to lift the Poorest Indians and eradicate poverty for ever. Along with AngloEuropean exploitation- pretty difficult when the diaspora is tightly Knitted into the collective Wastes sporrans.
Centuries and generations of indoctrination as Empire Patels and mercenaries.
Can’t trust the maharajas – they always insist on remaining Top Dog and perpetuating the slave mentality that requires poor to be their servants – never mind where they go and how rich they are – cf the billionaires convicted in Europe for slavery recently.
The unipolar Empire is a zombie the POLYCENTRIC is leaving the nest in Astana.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 4 2024 11:07 utc | 164

“Big Name Dems THROW BIDEN UNDER BUS | The Kyle Kulinski Show” ????????????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntE4fnHhzOw (lenght: 9 minutes).

Posted by: WMG | Jul 4 2024 12:28 utc | 165

@ retroflecks | Jul 4 2024 6:17 utc | 151
Random Ukronazi with US passport says what? 🤣
(I took a look at the guy’s X site — well, as much of a look as X will allow a nonsubscriber. Some gut-bustingly funny stuff there!)

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 12:55 utc | 166

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jul 2 2024 15:04 utc | 5
So sorry snake [re your suggestion @ 2 to use write in candidates as a means to force a hand count of the votes]. Write in votes don’t get counted. I watched the Nader count in my precinct way back when. Votes for him were tossed. I kept count though. He got 2.7% of the vote even as a “non-candidate.” To really make a change, you must get rid of Diable-boid, aka the hackable touch screen manipulators. People have been trying for decades to get that done. Insist on paper ballots and get rid of two-party tyranny. A tall order.
<=Gee thanks I [snake] did not realize write-ins are not counted .. That probably means the only hope Americans have to get a candidate of their choice nominated and elected is to control the nomination, selection and vote of the electors in each state. Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution says (Each state shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal in number to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the state may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the Untied States, shall be appointed an Elector). Amendment XII, ratified June 15, 1804 replaced Article 1,2, and 3 of Art. II, which reads in part. The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
…After you read the full text of the 12th amendment [proposed by Smith] in the Wikipedia link, you can scroll down to the section called Background, read to the paragraph that starts with ” On January 6, 1797, … ” and click there on the link entitled =>William L. Smith <=and read that Smith was a federalist, an ardent supporter of the richest man in America "George Washington", and an ex-British Aristocrat who returned to Independent America from Switzerland only after the American Revolutionary war was over. IMO the constitution truncated much more than states rights; its founders claimed they had the right to impose federalism on the American people AWAE right to pick who would use that Federalism to rule the American people and they did this without adequately informing the everyday American and without offering the everyday American a chance to agree or disagree. Read Article VII in the US Constitution for understanding that the majority of the American people were not consulted in either the creation or the ratification processes that lead to the US Constitution. Then Read Article V to see that the American people are not bottom-up permitted to amend or even to call for a vote on whether or not to amend the US Constitution. I observe that Smith was an American-born British Aristocrat in America before the Revolutionary War, but quoting from Wikipedia, "His father's considerable wealth allowed him to sit out the Revolutionary War while obtaining his education [from America's enemy Great Britain and continuing it from Sweden)...[4]"" Again from the Smith link, "In 1774, Smith studied law at the Middle Temple in London, Great Britain and continued his studies in Geneva from 1774 to 1778.[5] Smith remained in Europe for the remainder of the American Revolutionary War.[3]" Seems to me the place for Americans to assert some control over who is to be elected resides in capturing popular voting control over the appointment of Electors and over the procedural process in each state that leads to the nomination of a president and a vice president to the U. S. Senate? Where are the electoral college processes in different states enumerated and compared? I picked the US State of Florida as an example, Its website https://dos.fl.gov/elections/ says [party] committees propose elector candidates and the Governor appoints electors from committee nominations.. It is not clear to me where these committees are located, who is on them or when and where they meet and whether or not their proceedings are public or even noticed to the public?
Americans wanting to make their vote count might want to find a way to change the elector selection process (which today is party committee nominated, governor appointed); because today it seems, political bureaucracies control the nomination of electors not the general public voters?
Only by changing state constitutions, it seems, can non party affiliated persons (independents) be elected or by eliminating the electoral college all together at the Federal level. In those states, with constitutions that allow citizens to place amendments on the ballet which would, if affirmed by vote, change the state constitutions, could the electoral process be made into a decision made by a democratic process?
As long as politics controls who is on the ballet, and as long as digital systems can ignore or differentiate write in candidates, general elections can be little more than a joke. As long as the electoral college election and presidential election processes are politically controlled, it is highly unlikely an independent or a third party candidate will become President or Vice President.

Posted by: snake | Jul 4 2024 14:03 utc | 167

https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/07/04/we-cant-abide-biden/
A pleasurable screed.
A taste:
And if I had the power I’d cast him adrift on a wave-battered shard of that shambolic Gazan edifice. Let him cling to a palette of rancid flour and spend his last moments on earth from the perspective of a Palestinian parent. Let him watch shrapnel from American bombs slice his loved ones to ribbons before his eyes. Let him struggle and scream over the bloated corpses of his grandchildren til the weight of the depravity he’s willingly enabled sucks him down to richly deserved oblivion.

Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 4 2024 14:23 utc | 168

snake, Formerly Miss Lacy —
The laws regarding the (non-)counting of write-in votes vary by state. Most states allow write-ins only for registered candidates. Eight allow and count write-ins without restriction; seven do not allow write-ins at all. There’s a nice article about this on the Ballotpedia site.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 14:25 utc | 169

@ KMRIA | Jul 4 2024 14:23 utc | 168
Sounds good to me … but while we’re at it, could we hole up the Counterpunch staff with their Azovite heroes in the next Mariupol-style redoubt?

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 14:28 utc | 170

Oops, miscounted: not seven but nine states don’t allow write-ins at all. (Presumably the ballots don’t provide blanks to write or type in such names.)
And to clarify: In the remaining 33 states, voters can write in any name they wish, but unless it’s the name of a registered candidate (presumably a candidate who qualified after the ballots were generated), the vote is not counted.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 14:36 utc | 171

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 14:28 utc | 170
True malenkov, sadly true. To their partial credit on that score, they have published pieces by Rob Urie, Ron Jacobs and others that come down strongly against our provocation of and prolongation of this atrocious situation. But I would agree that St.Clair and Frank have drunk the koolaid about Putin.

Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 4 2024 14:36 utc | 172

@ KMRIA | Jul 4 2024 14:36 utc | 172
But don’t forget Cockburn (the one who isn’t dead) and Draitser!

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 14:40 utc | 173

@lester | Thu, 04 Jul 2024 02:59:00 GMT | 137

Writing a Chinese character is not different from writing a word with half a dozen alphabetic signs.

But looking it up in a dictionary is. If you’re chinese and don’t know how indogermanic languages work, it’s to easy to think you’ve just to write down the character that comes up.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 4 2024 14:48 utc | 174

https://ericarnow.substack.com/p/dualistic-thinking-and-ego
Rare analysis of the difference between Eastern and Western mentalities as they play out in socio-political sphere. Lead article today on my friend’s http://www.sitrepworld.info site.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2024 17:10 utc | 175

while we’re at it, could we hole up the Counterpunch staff with their Azovite heroes in the next Mariupol-style redoubt?
@ malenkov | Jul 4 2024 14:28 utc | 170

I was going to say your response is quite a redoubt — but that noun can imply “usually a roughly constructed” fortification, while your recollection of Azovite complicity is more of a bulwark.
Too bad. I’ll ever adore Alex Cockburn, albeit without forgetting his manifest faults. Cockburn’s wrongheadedness, where it popped up, seemed more quirky. Almost Irish, perhaps, like beer-besotted boasts in a pub (come to think of it, something like some of your crotchety old fools).
The pall that Ukraine has cast over Jeffrey and Counterpunch, by contrast, is impossible to set aside for the sake of friendly argument. I’ve lost quite close personal friends over the stench of Russophobia I associate with Counterpunch.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 4 2024 18:33 utc | 176

@Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 4 2024 0:04 utc | 126
Put perfectly!
Trump is just another corrupt oligarch with slightly different friends than the internationalist oligarchs. And he just loves the MIC, the CIA, the security state and shitting on foreign countries just as much as any other oligarch. Just not as invested in Ukraine, but full hard on for Israeli genocide and war with China, and a bit more beastly to the hoi polloi who are gaslit with Cold War style “godless commies” bullshit and the coming of the Rapture. Also, a bit rough with the table manners.
He is Tweedle Dumb to the Democrats Tweedle Dee of oligarchic divide and conquer with well-coordinated competing bullshit.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 4 2024 19:49 utc | 177

@Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2024 9:22 utc | 163
You once again exhibit your innate ability to mistake oligarchic fascism for actual real communism/socialism. I nearly spewed my coffee laughing out loud to this level of utter ignorant confusion:

95 min documentary on ‘stakeholder communism’ – where WEF’s fusion of western capitalism and Chinese managerial communism is headed.

Oh and of course the utter BS of anthropogenic climate change denial, oh so good for all the fossil fuel industries, and the AI BS to scare everyone. “Stakeholder Capitalism” is just the propagandist cover for an oligarchic takeover by one group of the oligarchs, with your proposed documentary just the propaganda of the competing part of the oligarchic elites. All designed to keep the hoi polloi running around like little Libtard and Trumptard rabbits while they get screwed over by the oligarchs.
In China there are no oligarchs, there is the Party-state which oversees a functioning free market (i.e. not heavily dominated by the oligarchs) that is guided to provide increasing social welfare to the many. You should get on a plane and spend some time in China, perhaps that will help wipe away your delusional takes on reality.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 4 2024 20:05 utc | 178

@Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 4 2024 1:45 utc | 133

Who votes doesn’t matter, who counts them does. When buying and selling is controlled by the legislature, the first thing bought and sold is not the legislature, but the vote counters.

The first stage is to only allow candidates that the ruling oligarchs approve of, which has been on the level of control of the Soviet Communist Party for at least the post-WW1 period. Trump upset this a bit by being from outside the ruling oligarch clique, but is still an oligarch. On balance, I see the 2020 election as stolen given the obvious Democrat-benefitting shenanigans that were quite widespread.
The 2000 Florida fix was a bit embarrassing and obvious, needing the SCOTUS to get directly involved. The memory of it was wiped away by 9/11. The 2004 Ohio fix was planned better and kept better under wraps by the media. With everyone hating Bush/Cheney so much by 2008, and the beautifully created and pushed “first Black” candidacy of Obama no fixes were required in 2008 and 2012. In 2016 the polls looked like Trump was going to lose, and he did in fact lose the popular vote but won the skewed electoral college, so the fix was not seen as required. In 2020 the Dems made damn sure, including the memory-holing of the politically explosive Hunter laptop.
So now we are in 2024 and it feels like part of the ruling oligarchy has decided that a Trump presidency would not be that bad, with the legal attacks on him seeming more performative than real (can so many D.A.s and judges be so obviously corrupt and inept?) and now knee-capped by the SCOTUS. All good cover for the Dems to wail that they tried to stop Trump but the bad SCOTUS (the judges of which they happily helped put in place) stopped them! The ongoing positioning of a so obviously mentally declining candidate also smells like a bit of a setup, with the recent “outing” only serving to increase Trump’s lead and create utter chaos in the Democrat election campaign.
It feels a bit like the run up to 1933 in Germany, where the German elite decided that ruling through a social democratic cultural hegemony was no longer viable so they moved onto fascism to make Germany safe for elite exploitation and external aggression. In the 1930s the US was close to doing this, after the Wilsonian fascist diversion of 1917-1921, but the internationalist and new technology wing of the capitalist class arrived at a different solution – the New Deal compromise that was perfect for the implementation of Fordism.
I have read the Project 2025 document, and it is a plan for full on completely uncontrolled oligarchic domination (or perhaps we should call it Hamiltonism, as it is close to Hamilton’s wish for a US govt of the oligarchs for the benefit of the oligarchs with an unquestionable Imperial Presidency). I am working on a piece on that document, it is a very detailed plan for the implementation of the destruction of what is left of democracy and public spiritedness within the US state, covered up with extremely sophisticated propaganda and Cold War style anti-“commie” fear mongering.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 4 2024 20:34 utc | 179

fyi,
Black in the Empire @blackintheempir
Anti Establishment Vet w/commentary from experience inside the war machine and life in the civilian world as a Black man. #Reparations
https://x.com/blackintheempir/status/1808846610694045989
In the past 20 years Russia and China have brought their countries back to being major players on the world stage and improved the lives of their citizens
The US has managed to look weaker, destroy its middle class and transferred almost all the wealth in the country to the rich
https://x.com/blackintheempir/status/1808844632173711795
If you can’t beat the Houthis, you should probably stop provoking China
https://x.com/blackintheempir/status/1808840810835669277
China is just sitting back shaking their heads watching these morons in the West destroy themselves because they are so afraid of living in a world that they don’t rule over.
https://x.com/blackintheempir/status/1808336036780544069
The U.S. Govt lied to our citizens so they could illegally attack Iraq
The President made a joke about it, pretending to look for the WMDs under a desk
We caused the deaths of close to a million people, and illegally tortured more
They want us focused on how evil Putin is.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 4 2024 21:11 utc | 180

“Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 3 2024 13:27 utc | 104”
Hindus believe in an eternal personality or soul, called an atman. Buddhists deny there is an atman. It is a major distinguishing point.
Chinese tradition has multiple souls. Some live in the abdomen and give us life, motion, etc. Other’s live in the head and give us personality etc.
Chinese religions of all sorts are doing better than Westerners often think. Present day China is NOT Communist in any serious way. After all, Chinese civilization is perhaps 5, 000 years old. The nameless folk religion the Taoists, even the Buddhists, have seen political regimes and bossy foreigners come and go. The 2-3 genuine commies still alive must grind their teeth when they hear that Mao Zedong has become one of the gods, charged with helping petty bourgeois sorts like taxi drivers. A joke or a punishment by the Jade Emperor?
For those who want to read something beside GLOBAL TIMES or CHINA DAILY, why not read some fiction? Everyone reads JOURNEY TO THE WEST, OUTLAWS OF HTE MARSH, ROMANCE OF THE THREE KINGDOMS, THE DREAM OF THE RED CHAMBER? JOURNEY is a fantasy novel and has lots of religion.
The most popular writer of modern times is Jin Yong, whose martial arts novels have inspired many movies, manga, etc. You might think of him as the Chinee Tolkien, a very general way.
My sources? 25 years teaching English in China, reading lots of history etc.

Posted by: lester | Jul 4 2024 22:12 utc | 181

“But looking it up in a dictionary is. If you’re chinese and don’t know how indogermanic languages work, it’s to easy to think you’ve just to write down the character that comes up.
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 4 2024 14:48 utc | 174”
Chinese dictionaries have methods for classifying characters and making it possible to look them up. If a middle-aged barbarian like me can learn to use them, anyone can.
There are scholarly systems for transliterating foreign words from Indoeuropean languages like Sanskrit, English, etc.
Logosyllabic writing systems like Chinese or Egyptian hieroglyphs are not mystical or magical. They are ways of making language visible, like any alphabet is. Put the letters in a name together and you have a character. Memorizing a chinese character is not really harder than memorizing a spelling, although it *feels* different somehow.
Chinese school children these days regularly study English, often Japanese as well.

Posted by: lester | Jul 4 2024 22:36 utc | 182

Memorizing a Chinese character is not really harder than memorizing a spelling, although it *feels* different somehow.
Posted by: lester | Jul 4 2024 22:36 utc | 182
Thank you for that observation! I really hadn’t thought of it in that way before. Maybe I should persevere again.
Not so different, truly. When we see an word in English, it contains the information on how to pronounce it, although I gather in many cases it is the way it was pronounced 400 years ago, which is why Shakespeare’s poetry often doesn’t rhyme and much of English spelling makes no sense at all.
And of course it is there in Chinese too, if you know where to look for it, on the right of the character.
(Though some of those pronunciations are similarly are out of date, I am told by up to 2,000 years.)
Here is ma, a horse: 马
Ma, mother: 妈
Ma, agate: 玛
Ma, number: 码
Ma, ant: 蚂
They can be distinguished from one another to some extent in speech by one of four tones, otherwise by context.
(Don’t imagine that I knew all those, I had to look some of them up!}
When Chinese text appears in sub-titles on screen sometime it vanishes so quickly one wonders how anybody can read it, but then the Chinese are identifying whole blocks of characters at once, just as we are.

Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 0:19 utc | 183

Some exposes of the oligarchs who consider that they have the right to rule the rest, many of which have never worked in their lives. Two documentaries by a member of the old inherited wealthy Jamie Johnson (of the Johnson & Johnson company):
2003 Born Rich (which includes Ivanka Trump), one of the kids says “my uncle took me into Grand central Station and said ‘this is yours'”.
2008 The One Percent, includes interviews with Nicole Buffett, Bill Gates Sr., Adnan Khashoggi, Milton Friedman, Robert Reich, Ralph Nader and other luminaries.
In Germany, a DW documentary, The Discreet Lives of the Super Rich
Or the rich outsourcing childcare, Meet The Wealthy Elite Who Are Too Posh To Parent Their Kids!
Such people are utterly disconnected from the lived reality of 99.9% of humanity, and exhibit the arrogance and sociopathy of those that were “born to rule”. That they are leading us into utter disaster is not surprising. It is why such things as the Chinese Party-state are required to keep such people away from the reins of power, the unchecked rule of oligarchs will always end in disaster.
And for a really good laugh from 60 minutes Australia Wealthy English aristocrats insisting on their relevance in modern society

Posted by: Roger | Jul 5 2024 0:59 utc | 184

Posted by: Roger | Jul 5 2024 0:59 utc | 184
I was watching that with some amusement, and then I sat bolt upright when I heard “Prime Minister Gordon Brown…” 7.54
I see they dug that up less than a year ago.
What a bunch of sh1ts, though. Reach for the pitchforks!
Commoner: how did you get all that land?
Aristo: my ancestors fought for it.
Commoner: OK, I’ll fight you for it.
Time to insist that all those acres are registered, because they are not.
Then time for a crippling land tax on large estates.
Are you listening, Starmer?

Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 1:39 utc | 185

2 minutes ago
George Galloway has lost his seat to Labour
Workers’ Party leader George Galloway has lost Rochdale to Labour.
Mr Galloway won the seat in a February by-election, overturning a Labour majority of 9,668.

Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 1:42 utc | 186

– Are you listening, Starmer?
What do you think?

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 1:53 utc | 187

(The desperate like to fixate on late ballots to try to avoid this but any demonstration of that many late ballots on a multistate scale wasn’t produced for unknown reasons.*)
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 4 2024 1:14 utc | 129
In Arizona they were sealed from examination. California took four weeks to count the last 30% of ballots.
There was plenty of evidence of late ballots, including the, you know, ballots showing up at four am in wisconsin, 99% Biden.
But, whatever dude, Biden got the most votes in history, (as did Trump). More votes, (159M), than registered voters , (139M). Voting stopped in five key states at once. Bullying and not allowing watchers in Pennsylvania.
Keeping observers all over the country six feet away from each other…
Reply with all the b.s. you want. Vote was more fixed than 2000.
I’m not going to reply or consider anything else you ever say. Clearly you have the naive view of America most televidiots do. Happy fourth, celebrate your evil empire cuz freedom and shit.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 1:55 utc | 188

Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 1:42 utc | 186
Oh, wow. Israel wins again!
Cuz fair elections and democracy and shit.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 1:57 utc | 189

lester, scorpion knows nothing about china or tibet, their social and spiritual practices, and does not want to know.

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 2:05 utc | 190

3 minutes ago
Sir Keir Starmer holds onto his seat in north London
Sir Keir Starmer has held onto his Holborn and St Pancras constituency, as he is expected to lead his party into a landslide victory.
He won 18,884 votes, a 17 per cent drop from the last election after a number of votes went to independent candidate Andrew Feinstein.

Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 2:09 utc | 191

-there I go again. (sigh)
Yes she did.
Nothing has changed in the UK since Blair; nor in the US or the entire West
The Century of the Self (first rate documentary in 3 parts)
2002, Psychology Economics Marketing Focus Groups Advertising UK/US Elections Politics Neoliberalism Manipulation and Selfish Ignorant Lazy Voters and Election Policy Fraud
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-century-of-the-self/
Closing few minutes summary – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s&t=13586s
YT The Century of the Self – Part 1: “Happiness Machines”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 2:30 utc | 192

1 minute ago
Jeremy Corbyn holds Islington North as Independent candidate
Jeremy Corbyn has held onto his seat in Islington North, winning 24,120 votes compared to 16,873 won by Labour.
The former Labour leader has been the MP for over 40 years but was barred from standing for Sir Keir Starmer’s party and therefore announced his intention to run as an Independent.

Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 2:30 utc | 193

Century of Self was a great documentary.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 2:37 utc | 194

These past few years, lots of westerners visited China and upload their travel log to social media.
This phenomenon exploded after China offered 14 days visa free tour package .
These eye witness accounts mostly enthused about the food, scenery.
OH yeah, they also mocked the west’s fabricated ‘Chinese police state’ myth.
BUt what they marvel most is the [relatively] crime free environment. ‘Even women feel safe to go out at night’ etc.
Just when so many foreigners are agreeing that China is one of the safest country for tourists…
hey presto !
Western MSM scream…

four gringo teachers, a jp woman and her son were knifed in China !

As if on cue, Snide comments immediately appear in China travel log,

‘yeah China is so safe, tell that to those gringo and jp !’

Im very cynical, actually, one couldnt be too cynical when it comes to CIA/MI6 scumbags.
Ian Fleming’s law of prob

Once is happenstance, .twice……

Posted by: denk | Jul 5 2024 2:47 utc | 195

Who is Pottinger, the man on stage audience member Vargas is decrying before he is choked by suits?
“Speak the truth and get choked”
https://x.com/NuryVittachi/status/1808699568638546272?

Just how far the New Cold War discourse in the United States, increasingly centered on the Indo-Pacific, has now gone can be seen in an article entitled “No Substitute for Victory: America’s Competition with China Must Be Won Not Managed” for the May/June 2024 issue of Foreign Affairs, written by Matt Pottinger and Mike Gallagher.40 Pottinger was the former U.S. Deputy National Security Adviser in the Trump White House from 2019–2021. Gallagher was a U.S. Representative from Wisconsin from 2017–2024, and former chair of the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party. He is now working for the corporation Palantir Technologies, a CIA-backed U.S. surveillance and data mining multinational with strong connections to the deep state and Israel.41 Pottinger and Gallagher strongly support the hawkish position of the Joe Biden administration toward China, but argue that it is still not hawkish enough, because it has not officially declared a “New Cold War” with China.

https://monthlyreview.org/2024/07/01/imperialism-in-the-indo-pacific-an-introduction/

Posted by: Suzan | Jul 5 2024 2:48 utc | 196

Who is Pottinger, the man on stage audience member Vargas is decrying before he is choked by suits?
“Speak the truth and get choked”
https://x.com/NuryVittachi/status/1808699568638546272?

Just how far the New Cold War discourse in the United States, increasingly centered on the Indo-Pacific, has now gone can be seen in an article entitled “No Substitute for Victory: America’s Competition with China Must Be Won Not Managed” for the May/June 2024 issue of Foreign Affairs, written by Matt Pottinger and Mike Gallagher.40 Pottinger was the former U.S. Deputy National Security Adviser in the Trump White House from 2019–2021. Gallagher was a U.S. Representative from Wisconsin from 2017–2024, and former chair of the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party. He is now working for the corporation Palantir Technologies, a CIA-backed U.S. surveillance and data mining multinational with strong connections to the deep state and Israel.41 Pottinger and Gallagher strongly support the hawkish position of the Joe Biden administration toward China, but argue that it is still not hawkish enough, because it has not officially declared a “New Cold War” with China.

https://monthlyreview.org/2024/07/01/imperialism-in-the-indo-pacific-an-introduction/

Posted by: Suzan | Jul 5 2024 2:48 utc | 197

Adam Curtis on the fall of the Soviet Union’s worrying parallels with modern Britain and the collapse of the West
40 mins interview with Politics Joe about TraumaZone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=663vLIYBcpI
Adam Curtis is a journalist and filmmaker (Century of the Self 2002)
His latest documentary, Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone in 7 parts
TraumaZone Series – Part One 1985 to 1989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDA3hIsf7LA&list=PLSjQL8MYniTTLA3wnZ25U-s6RgR4uJNvL

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 3:03 utc | 198

Adam Curtis 2022 – Deja vu @ 9 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=663vLIYBcpI

” I think there’s a feeling here that it it doesn’t really work and that whatever way you try and find out of it it’s like a strange computer game you somehow come back to the room that you left a few years ago I mean like for example as we talk now you have just seen the collapse of a government that was sort of borne out of the Brexit whatever we want to call it Revolt revolution of 2015 now in 2022 that government tries to put forward an extreme economic project which was just to most people were completely mad.
That yesterday fell it’s been replaced Now by another conservative government which in response is going to bring back the very kind of policy of austerity which you could argue is what gave you Brexit in the first place so it’s like some strange drug dream you’ve you’ve gone through Brexit through all the contortions through all the violence the anger the fury to end up with Liz Truss with an extreme version of capitalist experiment within days it fails and you find yourself back with George Osborne and David Cameron’s policies which failed and gave you that Revolt that gave you Brexit yet what happened if you notice the press and all journalism today is they’re all celebrating this as a return to stability and a return to calm and that’s not just on the traditional right – it’s also the left and the Liberals are celebrating a return to calm that’s mad.
and not only is it mad it actually shows that those people don’t have any idea of any alternative they’re celebrating a return to the very thing that was they saw as horrific eight years ago in 2015. “

– They are doing the same thing again right now with the landslide Labour party win – everything is well again – it’s not – everything is totally fucked everywhere – everyone has gone mad, the voters included.

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 3:19 utc | 199

Meanwhile,
guy ask…

whats wrong with pushing China back to stone age ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PybjqepPOjQ

Posted by: denk | Jul 5 2024 3:24 utc | 200