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July 2, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-154
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I thought this might be of interest to the broader MoA community. Just released, this bit of news, from Canada’s PM Trudeau (it’s not that long so I’ll put the whole darn thing in this post): Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 3 2024 13:11 utc | 101 Blues @ 101 Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2024 13:13 utc | 102 Posted by: Honzo | Jul 3 2024 5:17 utc | 83
Apologies for being defensive; it’s a typical response to being attacked. My point is that both the law and intellectual reflection is usually slow to recognize that democracy has left the building, and even slower to admit to the reality that replaces it. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 3 2024 13:45 utc | 105 to limert #97. Well said. It should be called election fraud. Thank you. To the doubters, what do you call it when a touchscreen Diable-bold machine changes a voter’s choice as the voter watches? What do you call it when the printout from said machine does not match the tally for the number of voters who used said machine? Perhaps “hack” is not the correct word. Shall we say “fraudulent manipulation?” Cheers Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jul 3 2024 13:56 utc | 106 Victory in Mexico!! A long battle ends with victory for AMLO against Monsanto, now owned by Bayer. But we have an election coming up and once the selected candidate takes office, everything will be ok – we know this because each of them said so: https://folkpotpourri.com/the-debate-over-the-non-debate/ Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Jul 3 2024 14:40 utc | 108 It is difficult (impossible?) to talk about the 2024 US Presidential election without saying the words Ukraine or Palestine. Posted by: librul | Jul 3 2024 15:53 utc | 109 Posted by: Wei Wu Wei | Jul 3 2024 13:17 utc | 107
MUch like Morrison complaining..
cheeky eh ? Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2024 17:16 utc | 110 A good long and comprehensive article in COUNTER PUNCH today about the Trump/Biden debate by Jeffery St. Clair titled: “Biden in the Bardo” Posted by: Ed | Jul 3 2024 17:47 utc | 111 old timer can skip this…
https://cdn.countercurrents.org/vltchek080216.htm Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2024 17:59 utc | 112 Scorpion, Wei Wu, denk etc. … Posted by: Ornot | Jul 3 2024 18:01 utc | 113 The SCO Summit’s in full swing in Astana as I report, “Off to Astana and SCO Summit”. Lavrov revealed that Russia’s comedy duo Vovan and Lexus have duped Mad Mama Hillary Clinton, which can be viewed here, with the citation at the website saying “Hillary Clinton called on Ukraine to go on the offensive at the front so that Biden is re-elected in the United States.” This week’s MFA briefing is presented by Deputy Director of the Information and Press Department Alexander Nastasin, thus giving Maria a well-deserved break, and is shorter than usual, although it leads with the Ukraine Crisis. It’s ok to be good towards each other though, and in spite of any differences.
I strike out two sentences cuz far from ‘normally skeptical of US government claims’, the poop has been their mouthpiece at the bar. Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2024 18:24 utc | 115 We dindunuthin is a garden psyhcosis.
Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2024 18:35 utc | 116 Clown World with great gravitas discusses how many angels fit on the head of a pin. Guess if you’re dumb enough to answer a poll you are dumb enough to vote for Michelle Obama.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 3 2024 18:44 utc | 117 The problem with claiming enough vote fraud (or election fraud a distinction I don’t think makes a difference) is that if you have fifty vote counting systems no one party can control the national election. Every Blue State has enough Red that it’s unlikely even they can get away with that much fakery. Every attempt to claim enough fraud to deduce Trump actually “won” the vote is a lie. As to local fraud, things like walking around money etc. require money which means these end up being politically conservative, certainly not evil Globalists or whatever demon you imagine. Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 3 2024 21:06 utc | 118 It’s like saying Democrat Party instead of Democratic Party because you don’t want to hint they’re, well, Democratic. Posted by: malenkov | Jul 3 2024 23:05 utc | 121 Michelle Obama only worthy rival to Trump – Reuters/Ipsos poll Posted by: librul | Jul 3 2024 23:15 utc | 122 “Every attempt to claim enough fraud to deduce Trump actually “won” the vote is a lie.“ Posted by: Limert | Jul 3 2024 23:21 utc | 123 After that Party’s performance in the 2016, 2020, and 2024 primary seasons, and having fought for in court and even won a ruling that it can disregard primary election results, I think we can say that the “Democratic Party” is anything but democratic. Myself, I prefer “Dim Party”… Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 3 2024 23:33 utc | 124 @123 Posted by: paddy | Jul 3 2024 23:53 utc | 125 lmao Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 4 2024 0:04 utc | 126 The party is legally a private corporation and it’s board may do whatever they decide to do. I don’t think most people have any knowledge of that fact. Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 0:05 utc | 127 Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 3 2024 13:11 utc | 101 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 4 2024 1:12 utc | 128 Limert@123 seems not to be aware of the extensive problem with false positive reports of significant patterns is so pervasive in many branches of science that such problems are blamed for the “replication crisis.” Apophenia is a real thing. The bare presentation of such statistical tests simply isn’t good enough, and it was an error not just in scientific literature but here as well. Statistics are easy to lie with, prompting the phrase, “Lies, damn lies and statistics.” Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 4 2024 1:14 utc | 129 *unknown reasons could mean the Republican Party, agents of the Deep State and servants of the PMC as well a globalist cultural Marxists, a well known fact or because the evidence doesn’t exist to be produced. You pick which is more likely. Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 4 2024 1:17 utc | 130 Yes indeed, that was the ruling. It hardly counters my argument that the “Democratic Party” is anything but democratic. Nice try though. Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 4 2024 1:30 utc | 131 The posts concerning the status of amerika’s dims being corporate rather than participatory reflects a reality that has evolved since the 1980’s privatisation boom when allegedly ‘left’ political organisations around the world that formerly had a culture of mass participation changed either by virtue of rule changes or the boredom inherent in attending meetings quashing open debate by insisting on the ‘westminister rules’ – continual points of information or points of order from some jackass halting normal discourse. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 4 2024 1:41 utc | 132 Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 4 2024 1:17 utc | 130 Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 4 2024 1:45 utc | 133 And of course decreeing mail in ballots illegitimate in principle for 2020 is a form of vote suppression. Vote suppression is itself an instance of election fraud. Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 4 2024 2:08 utc | 134 Membership of the labour party soared during Corbyn’s campaign for leader and continued to increase to triple the previous membership once he won. This scared the shit outta neo-lib pretend lefties and drove the campaign by professional pols to destroy Mr Corbyn’s support. They were hugely assisted by all england’s major media outfits. After Mr Corbyn lost the 2nd time and starmer lied his way into the leader’s gig, the first move was to chase all the ‘new’ members out of the party. Then they chased out all the older leftie members particularly Mr Corbyn himself. Posted by: Walt | Jul 4 2024 2:08 utc | 135 Kamala Harris should undertake to legalize pot at the Federal level, if she wants to be propular. Promise to leave Russia and China alone, too. Posted by: lester | Jul 4 2024 2:52 utc | 136 “I believe the strange mistranslations on chinese signs come about because of the very different nature chinese language operates with signs. Posted by: lester | Jul 4 2024 2:59 utc | 137 It’s gonna take a long time before even young amerikans can slough off their cradle up to now indoctrination en masse, so they can envisage living in a smaller but more directly democratic nation. Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 3:12 utc | 138 Trump, Biden or whoever doesn’t matter. It’s the power behind the throne. And, from what I’ve seen, they haven’t a shred of humanity in them. So who or what is this power? Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 4 2024 3:18 utc | 139 @ juliania Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 3:28 utc | 140 Furthermore, some say that the Jews control things. But who or what controls the Jews? Not to get metaphysical here, but it does seem to be an evil that’s behind everything. Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 4 2024 3:30 utc | 141 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 3:28 utc | 140 Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 3:48 utc | 142 re juliania | Jul 4 2024 3:12 utc | 138 who asked how often I had contact with amerikans and I’m not gonna say daily but at least a couple times a week I talk to friends the bulk of whom live on the coasts admittedly, but also in Az & whatever the abbrev is for montana. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 4 2024 4:03 utc | 143
Privatizing ‘intelligence’ storage… sounds a bit like a Stazi type record keeping setup. Files kept on everyone. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2024 4:08 utc | 144 RE: Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 4 2024 4:12 utc | 145 RE “Nobody’s indoctrinated — nobody!!!!” Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 4 2024 4:17 utc | 146 Re: voting fraud in the USA (cont‘d) Posted by: Exile | Jul 4 2024 4:36 utc | 147 @ I’m Confused | Jul 4 2024 4:12 utc | 145 who only seems confused about the power exhibited by media control of human “world views” and how things work within that construct. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2024 4:37 utc | 148 Thanks, Debsisdead | Jul 4 2024 4:03 utc | 143. That’s a very comprehensive post, and I’d be at fault on two counts: Christianity and inability to converse about Marxism. I did read some portions of his works as a senior in college and thought his arguments were sensible ones, sort of Dickensian at the time, but that’s a very shallow memory to be sure. I wasn’t fond of either the USSR or China around the time of the Cultural Revolution, though I very much admire both countries and their leadership now. Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 4:59 utc | 149
The good thing about vaccination is that we now have pretty reliable data about percentage of indoctrinated population. Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jul 4 2024 5:58 utc | 150 (in case this hasn’t been brought up already.) Posted by: retroflecks | Jul 4 2024 6:17 utc | 151 If a globalist hegemon wanted to get rid of all the people who distrust govt and media, what better way to accomplish that than to insert the idea into the “dissenter” community to hate all vaccines? And then to let rip a new bioweapon virus that the truating sheeples are all vaccinated against, but the “dissenters” are not? Posted by: Wisco | Jul 4 2024 6:19 utc | 152 Tucker Carlson Notices Something About The Debate No One Noticed Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 4 2024 6:25 utc | 153 Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 4 2024 4:17 utc | 146 Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 7:37 utc | 154 f the US *Presidents* now have immunity from prosecution for crimes committed while in office …. where does that leave Biden, who committed some of his crimes while *Vice President*? Posted by: Mary | Jul 4 2024 7:45 utc | 155 juliania | Jul 4 2024 7:37 utc | 154 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2024 7:57 utc | 156 Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 4 2024 4:03 utc | 143 Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 8:06 utc | 157 The presidential debate, apparently far earlier than usual was a setup Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2024 8:08 utc | 158 too scents | Jul 4 2024 8:08 utc | 158 “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2024 8:18 utc | 159 No Artificial Intelligence was harmed in constructing the above several comments. Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2024 8:19 utc | 160 The instant and combined media response Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2024 8:32 utc | 161 Ascension of the Great Knight Dope Day in the U.K. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 4 2024 8:57 utc | 162 95 min documentary on ‘stakeholder communism’ – where WEF’s fusion of western capitalism and Chinese managerial communism is headed. It seems my guess about Humpty Dumpty Modi of India is not far off. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 4 2024 11:07 utc | 164 “Big Name Dems THROW BIDEN UNDER BUS | The Kyle Kulinski Show” ???????????? Posted by: WMG | Jul 4 2024 12:28 utc | 165 @ retroflecks | Jul 4 2024 6:17 utc | 151 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 12:55 utc | 166 Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jul 2 2024 15:04 utc | 5 Posted by: snake | Jul 4 2024 14:03 utc | 167 https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/07/04/we-cant-abide-biden/ Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 4 2024 14:23 utc | 168 snake, Formerly Miss Lacy — Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 14:25 utc | 169 @ KMRIA | Jul 4 2024 14:23 utc | 168 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 14:28 utc | 170 Oops, miscounted: not seven but nine states don’t allow write-ins at all. (Presumably the ballots don’t provide blanks to write or type in such names.) Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 14:36 utc | 171 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 14:28 utc | 170 Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 4 2024 14:36 utc | 172 @ KMRIA | Jul 4 2024 14:36 utc | 172 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 4 2024 14:40 utc | 173 @lester | Thu, 04 Jul 2024 02:59:00 GMT | 137
But looking it up in a dictionary is. If you’re chinese and don’t know how indogermanic languages work, it’s to easy to think you’ve just to write down the character that comes up. Posted by: persiflo | Jul 4 2024 14:48 utc | 174 https://ericarnow.substack.com/p/dualistic-thinking-and-ego while we’re at it, could we hole up the Counterpunch staff with their Azovite heroes in the next Mariupol-style redoubt? Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 4 2024 18:33 utc | 176 @Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 4 2024 0:04 utc | 126 @Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2024 9:22 utc | 163
Oh and of course the utter BS of anthropogenic climate change denial, oh so good for all the fossil fuel industries, and the AI BS to scare everyone. “Stakeholder Capitalism” is just the propagandist cover for an oligarchic takeover by one group of the oligarchs, with your proposed documentary just the propaganda of the competing part of the oligarchic elites. All designed to keep the hoi polloi running around like little Libtard and Trumptard rabbits while they get screwed over by the oligarchs. @Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 4 2024 1:45 utc | 133
The first stage is to only allow candidates that the ruling oligarchs approve of, which has been on the level of control of the Soviet Communist Party for at least the post-WW1 period. Trump upset this a bit by being from outside the ruling oligarch clique, but is still an oligarch. On balance, I see the 2020 election as stolen given the obvious Democrat-benefitting shenanigans that were quite widespread. fyi, Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 4 2024 21:11 utc | 180 “Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 3 2024 13:27 utc | 104” Posted by: lester | Jul 4 2024 22:12 utc | 181 “But looking it up in a dictionary is. If you’re chinese and don’t know how indogermanic languages work, it’s to easy to think you’ve just to write down the character that comes up. Posted by: lester | Jul 4 2024 22:36 utc | 182 Memorizing a Chinese character is not really harder than memorizing a spelling, although it *feels* different somehow. Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 0:19 utc | 183 Some exposes of the oligarchs who consider that they have the right to rule the rest, many of which have never worked in their lives. Two documentaries by a member of the old inherited wealthy Jamie Johnson (of the Johnson & Johnson company): Posted by: Roger | Jul 5 2024 0:59 utc | 184 Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 1:39 utc | 185 2 minutes ago Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 1:42 utc | 186 – Are you listening, Starmer? Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 1:53 utc | 187 (The desperate like to fixate on late ballots to try to avoid this but any demonstration of that many late ballots on a multistate scale wasn’t produced for unknown reasons.*) Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 1:55 utc | 188 Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 1:42 utc | 186 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 1:57 utc | 189 lester, scorpion knows nothing about china or tibet, their social and spiritual practices, and does not want to know. Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 2:05 utc | 190 3 minutes ago Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 2:09 utc | 191 -there I go again. (sigh) Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 2:30 utc | 192 1 minute ago Posted by: Walt | Jul 5 2024 2:30 utc | 193 These past few years, lots of westerners visited China and upload their travel log to social media.
As if on cue, Snide comments immediately appear in China travel log,
Im very cynical, actually, one couldnt be too cynical when it comes to CIA/MI6 scumbags.
Posted by: denk | Jul 5 2024 2:47 utc | 195 Who is Pottinger, the man on stage audience member Vargas is decrying before he is choked by suits?
https://monthlyreview.org/2024/07/01/imperialism-in-the-indo-pacific-an-introduction/ Posted by: Suzan | Jul 5 2024 2:48 utc | 196 Who is Pottinger, the man on stage audience member Vargas is decrying before he is choked by suits?
https://monthlyreview.org/2024/07/01/imperialism-in-the-indo-pacific-an-introduction/ Posted by: Suzan | Jul 5 2024 2:48 utc | 197 Adam Curtis on the fall of the Soviet Union’s worrying parallels with modern Britain and the collapse of the West Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 3:03 utc | 198 Adam Curtis 2022 – Deja vu @ 9 mins
– They are doing the same thing again right now with the landslide Labour party win – everything is well again – it’s not – everything is totally fucked everywhere – everyone has gone mad, the voters included. Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 3:19 utc | 199 Meanwhile,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PybjqepPOjQ Posted by: denk | Jul 5 2024 3:24 utc | 200 |
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