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July 5, 2024
Election In Britain

The Tories have lost the election in Britain.

Labour, under Keir Stamer, did not win the election. It received less votes than it had received under Jeremy Corbyn in 2017 and 2019.

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The turnout was low. The overwhelming voter sentiment was 'anything but Tory'. There was no enthusiasms for Labour and Stamer's program.

Labour, under Corbyn, had been a real worker party with socialist tendencies.

The deep state, with the help of the Israeli embassy, had launched a media campaign against Labour alleging that it was hiding anti-semitic tendencies. Corbyn made the huge mistake of not fighting back against it. In the end he was kicked out despite Labour's healthy election results.

Jeremy Corby, no longer in Labour, has been reelected. So have been five MPs who campaigned on a pro-Gaza position.

Stamer is a controversial figure. He seems to have been placed in his position by the deep state. His previous position was the Chief of the Crown Prosecution Service. He had a major role in indicting and incarcerating Julian Assange. 

After being installed he has moved Labour to the right. It is now occupying a pro-capitalism center-right position:

“What Keir has done is taken all the left out of the Labour Party,” billionaire businessman John Caudwell, previously a big Tory donor, told the BBC. “He’s come out with a brilliant set of values and principles and ways of growing Britain in complete alignment with my views as a commercial capitalist.”

The Labour Party highlighted his endorsement.

Stamer will hurt the British public more than the Tory did under Sunak.

There will soon be an uproar against him.

I do note expect him to survive for long.

Comments

Get fat, weak and complacent while riding your palantir.
Get beat by your hungry, strong palantir bearers. 138
get educated by looking up palanquin in a dictionary
Posted by: rebelbhoy | Jul 6 2024 11:05 utc | 195
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Now, now! Maybe he was just offering investment advice.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 6 2024 11:53 utc | 201

Read the article on Starmer that the Times of Israel had long before the elections:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-labour-leader-starmer-opens-up-about-his-familys-jewish-traditions/

Posted by: Wim | Jul 6 2024 12:25 utc | 202

Posted by: Inki | Jul 6 2024 11:27 utc | 196
Who’d want to? The fatal mistake of socialists is to assume everybody shares their mania for control (often a reaction to having little in their lives). Either that or they put themselves forward , with unseemly haste, to ‘look after’ things for the majority, again rewarding themselves with undeserved power, with normally disastrous and entirely predictable results. Example, Labours cabinet is staffed with incompetents whose historical record, if they have any, is woeful, so will be an unmitigated disaster. Sutek’s cabinet was similarly comprised largely of technocrat blanks, both perfect environments for the institutional string pullers in which to live and operate.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 12:39 utc | 203

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKAeO-5saqQ

Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 6 2024 12:40 utc | 204

202 – In reality there are no socialists in Starmer’s cabinet. The whole purge of Corbyn and the Labour left was designed to obviate any such possibility. They are going to try to run austerity just like their predecessor Tories did, and that way lies disaster.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 6 2024 12:52 utc | 205

Labour under Starmer WILL privatise the NHS, already there’s a two-tier system in place, Starmer’s man Wes Streeting has openly spoken about NHS privatisation and the private sector already has many contracts with the NHS.
Praful Nargund Labour’s candidate for Islington North, which was thankfully won by Jeremy Corbyn also openly spoke of Labour privatising the NHS.
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2024/06/17/labour-nhs-private-companies-profit/
As Chomsky once said or words to that effect.
To do away with a popular public service first you must defund it, the public will cry out for a replacement service, which opens the door to the private sector

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 6 2024 13:24 utc | 206

Starmer is Pro capitalist? Nah… Pro fascist maybe. Definitely a Davos man.

Posted by: Goldhoarder | Jul 6 2024 13:25 utc | 207

“and that way lies disaster.”
Waldorf (204).
Not for their rich corporate buddies it doesn’t, its all about power and money, and they’ve got Starmer in their back pocket, the face at the front changes but the English imperial machine behind the curtain doesn’t skip a beat.
Only a revolution in England will change anything.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 6 2024 13:29 utc | 208

“He (Starmer) was a human rights lawyer and served as director of public prosecutions from 2008 to 2013.”
A human rights lawyer eh, yet he agreed that the water and power should be cut-off in Gaza. It would appear for Starmer at least, that some folks human rights matter more than others.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 6 2024 13:37 utc | 209

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 6:09 utc | 174
Yes here in Australia I decided I would renew my membership. It was my party after all. I respect almost no one now but there is always a slim chance of recovery.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 6 2024 13:41 utc | 210

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 22:39 utc | 139
Converaation with a work mate years ago.
Workmate. I would never vote NDP they are socialists. Socialism is evil.
Me. So when u burning your healthcard? Be careful when u do though, cuzs if your house starts on fire you will have tell the evil fire department to go away. Maybe your neighbors will help. Hope u never need the evil socialist popo, or have an interst in learning at the evil library or send your kids to the evil school system. No more enjoying the evil national parks or museums

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 6 2024 13:48 utc | 211

From my point of view, this guy’s background seems very suspicious.
What is particularly unforgivable is the witch-hunt-like oppression of the Labour left.
Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 5 2024 14:00 utc | 14
There is nothing suspicious about Starmer, almost openly a functionary of the deep state in charge of running UK. Tories were increasingly affected by mental rot and turned into a squabbling mob. Recall that Liz Truss became Prime Minister due to her popularity within the party supporters… Clearly, it was the time for Team B, with discipline etc. Alas, eliminating Corbyn and supporters had to be done first, but once this mission was accomplished, it was time for early election. What is “suspicious” is an effective coordination of Sunak and Starmer.
The final purge in Labour was essential, because the party control relies on MPs, and too many progressive MPs could give a rise to another Corbyn. As the electoral victory was secure, Starmerians could blantantly override local sentiments about candidate selection. Yeah, this decreased Labour popularity from 40+ % to mere 34%, but in long term it should be fine. Five years of Labour super-majority will give time to reconstitute Team A.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 6 2024 13:55 utc | 212

The suborning of the centre-left has been a feature of the Anglosphere. In Australia the Australian Labor (sic) Party is a tory party in all but name

Posted by: James Lawrie | Jul 6 2024 6:43 utc | 177
This is a MUCH WIDER trend, political “technologies” differ a bit dependent on the voting systems and other local aspects. What is ALMOST puzzling is this. USA, UK and Australia have similar health outcomes while devoting 17, 12 and 6% of GDP to healthcare. Healthcare is a much larger arena for profits that military-industrial complex, although a single payer system retained by Australia allows to balance the budget AND spend oodles on the promise of submarines.
I was theorizing that even right wingers should be happy with cost efficient healthcare, as it leaves more for other “industries” and can even keep taxes lower. So there is no contradiction with Australian Labour being practically Tory and this progressive vestige of the past. But why this logic does not work in USA and UK?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 6 2024 14:24 utc | 213

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 6 2024 13:24 utc | 205
Typical socialist canard to deflect from an obvious reality, the NHS was always doomed from its inception. The constant advances in medical science, plus the double whammy of profit motives in the food industry and lack of agency, regarding personal health, has meant the service is under intolerable financial pressures. This has been exacerbated by poor financial planning by administrative incompetents and a creeping culture of mediocrity, fuelled by an erosion of the academic standards of the schools that produce the personnel, in favour of creating ideological clones, bowing and giving libations to the modern gods of DEI and abandoning meritocracy for ‘equity’.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 14:57 utc | 214

A mi me parece que…
https://textosandroides.blogspot.com/2024/07/profundidad.html
Ya no hay “elecciones” ni elecciones…

Posted by: Santi | Jul 6 2024 15:04 utc | 215

Labour party members you got your party into this mass murder mess. Blood is on your hands almost literaly.
You voted starmer not Corbyn as members.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 6:09 utc | 174
Not quite correct. Starmer only got voted in after Corbyn had resigned following the 2019 general election. Corbyn was in fact elected twice by the membership, firstly in the original leadership election, and a second time (with an increased majority) following the right-wing majority of MPs attempt to replace him.
An estimated 200,000+ members have left since Starmer took over. I think we need to accept that anyone who remains a member after 5 years of Starmer’s “leadership” is fully aware of what he is, what the party is, and that they’re Ok with it.
Don’t bother joining Labour and trying to change it from inside. Its too far gone for that. They won’t allow another Corbyn moment.

Posted by: Red Star | Jul 6 2024 15:05 utc | 216

“Workmate. I would never vote NDP they are socialists. Socialism is evil.”
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 6 2024 13:48 utc | 210
Yes, extreme socialism is a ‘dead end’-let Nietzsche explain:
“Christian and anarchist-When the anarchist, as the mouthpiece of social strata in decline, waxes indignant and demands ‘rights’ ,’justice’ and ‘equal rights’, then he is feeling the pressure of his lack of culture, , which is incapable of of understanding why he is actually suffering-what he is poor, in life…There is a powerful causal drive within him: someone must be must be to blame for his feeling bad…And ‘waxing indignant itself does him good too, all poor devils take pleasure in grumbling-it gives them a rush of power. Even a complaint , making a complaint, can give life some spice and make in endurable: there is a small dose of revenge in every complaint; people blame those who are different from themselves for the fact that they feel bad , possibly even for their badness-as though it were an injustice , an illicit privilege. ‘If I am a ‘canaille'[derogatory description of ‘the masses’] the so should you be; this is the logic on which revolutions are based. Complaining is never any good: it stems from weakness. Whether people attribute their feeling bad to others or themselves-socialists do the former . Christians, the latter-it makes no real difference. What they have in common , let us say what is unworthy of them, too is that someone is supposed to blame for their suffering;-in short, that the sufferer prescribes himself the honey of revenge, a need for pleasure are contingent causes: the sufferer will find grounds everywhere for venting his petty revenge-if he is Christian to say it again, he will find them in himself. The Christian and the socialist both are decadents….”
Friedrich Nietzsche, “Twilight of the Gods”, page 59. Oxford University Press, 1998. translation by Duncan Large.

Posted by: canuck | Jul 6 2024 15:05 utc | 217

https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/majority-without-a-mandate
Richard Seymour on UK elections

Posted by: JAB | Jul 6 2024 15:25 utc | 218

Milites (213).
Socialist canard, I had a wee laugh at that, lets not forget that the (US) has travelled around the globe trying to destroy socialism simply because its afraid of it, why is it afraid of it, well because it works for everyone and it cuts out much of the profiteering, an alien concept to (US) big pharma etc, and the politicians it has in its pocket.
I recall the American Michael Moore taking quite a few American’s to Cuba which has an excellent socialist medical service because the Americans couldn’t afford the proper treatment back home.
France too has an excellent socialist health service. I recall a story of a French man living in California who couldn’t afford the medical treatment he needed to stay alive, so he returned home to France and got the treatment he needed on the French socialist health service.
The UK NHS is badly managed its not the staffs fault, it is over charged for drugs by pharmaceutical companies which are always profiteering, and its managers run it badly, it has also been undermined for years by Tory governments who long to fully privatise it.
The NHS is based on the Scottish Highlands and Islands Medical Service, its was and still is the UK’s greatest achievement, pre-1948, if you needed medical treatment you may not get it if you couldn’t afford it, post-1948, those who had suffered lifelong illnesses suddenly found that they could receive treatment, and it was free at the point of delivery, what a remarkable achievement of people pulling together to help each other.
Socialist housing, socialist transport, trains buses etc all owned and ran by the public for the benefit of the public can and does work, capitalist fear socialism, that’s why they ran a huge smear and hatred campaign against Jeremy Corbyn, a socialist politician who stood for PM.
Socialism is the way forward for humanity, mixed with a tinge of capitalism of course, but human nature (one of greed) has upset that balance, and now a very small percentage of people own most of the wealth due to rampant capitalism, its not only bad for the people but bad for the planet as well.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 6 2024 15:38 utc | 219

Some remarks from Lord Richard Balfe:

“Every time I’ve brought it up in the House of Lords, the Labour party has been solidly behind the conservative position, which is, of course, nonsense. But, no, I don’t think there’ll be much change,” the lord noted. “I find the whole of the foreign policy of both parties really quite pathetic. You know, we have to realize that, as my old friend Mikhail Gorbachev said, we are in a common home and we’ve got to make it work. We can’t keep on with the way we’ve behaved for all these years,” Balfe added.
He also emphasized that the West will have to “come to terms with the reality,” admitting that Crimea and Donbass are now Russian constituencies. In this regard, the politician hopes that the US takes a more sensible position after the presidential election in November. In his opinion, Labour’s policy on Russia will be determined by Washington’s course, which London will follow. “The Labour Party will more or less do as they are told, or asked to do, to be more polite,” he said.
According to Balfe, the Conservative Party, which suffered a crushing defeat in the July 4 elections, may need ten years to regain its position and return to power in the country. However, the politician thinks that eventually, this will indeed happen. He also predicts that Jeremy Hunt, who served as Chancellor of the Exchequer in the government of Rishi Sunak, and in 2018-2019 – Foreign Secretary of the Kingdom, may become the next leader of the Tories. “There’s enough lunatics in the conservative party to elect someone who will prove to be not acceptable to the general public. And then we’ll have to go through the whole thing again,” the lord added.

Posted by: David Levin | Jul 6 2024 15:38 utc | 220

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Jul 5 2024 16:32 utc | 51
Thank you for pointing this out. Looks like little Satan not only controls, via AiPAC, big Satan, but also the other little Satan.

Posted by: grunzt | Jul 6 2024 15:39 utc | 221

@ JAB | Jul 6 2024 15:25 utc | 217
thanks.. interesting, especially about blackrock and using asset managers for this private/publc partnership. ugh..

Posted by: james | Jul 6 2024 15:51 utc | 222

@ Republicofscotland | Jul 6 2024 15:38 utc | 219
agree… the same deal is happening with canada’s health system – big pharma, with tacit approval from the past 20 years of politicians, are destroying the health care system… the obvious goal is ‘privatization’ because that works so much better according to some…it is insane how this class divide between rich and poor has the middle and lower class believing any of that bullshit..

Posted by: james | Jul 6 2024 15:55 utc | 223

A friend who placed himself to the right-wing of the Conservative Party, voted Labour without reservation. As he nicely put it, “it is a right-wing party that can actually get things done”. Hard to disagree.
This is the legacy of the 90s, after the Soviet collapse. The final rejection of Keynesianism into the neoliberal corporate model and a decisive return top the pre-1929 capitalism with the necessary changes, mostly for propaganda purposes. The key component of the new configuration was the transformation of the centre-left into hardcore neoliberal right. Ditto for the cetre-right parties. The differences are cosmetic, mostly in identity politics that have been elevated by the MSM as issues of paramount political importance.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 6 2024 16:10 utc | 224

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 6 2024 15:38 utc | 219
Agree with you, wholeheartedly

Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 6 2024 16:20 utc | 225

get educated by looking up palanquin in a dictionary
Posted by: rebelbhoy | Jul 6 2024 11:05 utc | 196
I bet you learned that word from my post @ 140:
“Get fat, weak and complacent while riding your palanquin.
Get beat by your hungry, strong palanquin bearers.
Yes, makes more sense. XD
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 22:47 utc | 140”

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 16:28 utc | 226

Rothschild means “red shield”. Trust me. I speak German.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 5 2024 20:52 utc | 117
The name comes from a red sign of sorts (German: Schild means not only “shield”, a weapon that is, but also a firmly installed public sign) that was located close to their modest home, at around 1750 in Frankfurt’s Judengasse, while Jews were still facing lots of restrictions in Germany, including having to stay inside their crowded ghetto during nighttime. My source is Deanna Spingola’s book “The Ruling Elite”.

Posted by: grunzt | Jul 6 2024 17:06 utc | 227

Red star @ 216 in reply to my @ 175
But you do i hope understand that starmer was voted in by the exsecutive. undemocraticly corbyns posetion being made impossable by the jews witch hunt against him. The torys, the media and paid for lobbeyist’s within the Labour party. Re read the two paras above the one you qouted. Context matters.
Thats not democratic.
He was effectivly made a toxic product based on lies. Caractor assination.
Thw party was stolen from us by the jews. Now take a look at Raffa.
We need to take our Party back democratcly.
Oh wait dont forget other good jews are also avalible.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 17:17 utc | 228

In my personal experence the farage reform party in UK, tend to be mainly knuckle draging neandathals, and the men are just the same.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 17:54 utc | 229

A very small word of excessive optimism.
I’ve been very struck the last couple of days since the UK election by the way that Starmer has gained confidence. He radiates it since his victory. Starmer’s great problem in the past was his lack of self-confidence. He wouldn’t commit to anything that wasn’t supported by the focus groups. The Israel Lobby of course picked up this right away, and went hard in, through the wife, to get him obedient.
Now I wonder whether he is going to be so obedient. He is at least a competent politician, not a corrupt idiot like Johnson.
I don’t know. Perhaps he will be more competent than expected, though obviously he can’t change much with the US leaning on him.
But I don’t think things are totally decided.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 6 2024 18:37 utc | 230

230 – He has always struck me as timid, with the ruthlessness basically cowardly people have when they meet resistance or feel the need to cover their flanks. Hence his purges of the Labour left, designed to get the approval of tabloids and right-wing media in Britain. As Director of Public Prosecutions he decided not to prosecute Jimmy Savile – either he sensed Savile had protection from on high or he was himself part of that protection. Basically Establishment through and through. I expect him to tack to the right so much that people will have trouble finding any differences from the Tory Party.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 6 2024 18:58 utc | 231

Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 6 2024 18:58 utc | 231
So you agree with me, but don’t think politicians can ever change from what they said 20 years ago.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 6 2024 19:04 utc | 232

So you agree with me, but don’t think politicians can ever change from what they said 20 years ago.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 6 2024 19:04 utc | 232
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Many do change—and almost always for the worse. Money and power are insidious and effective lures.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 6 2024 19:12 utc | 233

But you do i hope understand that starmer was voted in by the exsecutive. undemocraticly corbyns posetion being made impossable by the jews witch hunt against him.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 17:17 utc | 228
Sorry, you’re wrong. Starmer was voted in democratically by the membership, albeit on the basis of ’10 Pledges’, which promised to more or less continue in the direction Corbyn would have taken. Of course, once elected, he went on to break every one of those pledges.
But the fact remains, Starmer WAS elected Labour leader democratically, and only after Corbyn had already resigned. The fact that everything he’s done since has been decidedly undemocratic is beside the point.
And some of the things he’s done are designed to stop anything like the Corbyn project ever happening again. So join if you want, just bear in mind that its very much not “our” party, and very much “theirs”. You’d be better employed working towards a genuine left wing alternative rather than wasting your energy – and membership fees – on a lost cause.
(I speak as an ex-Labour party member).

Posted by: Red Star | Jul 6 2024 19:23 utc | 234

Red Star @ 234
I disagree.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 19:35 utc | 235

In my personal experence the farage reform party in UK, tend to be mainly knuckle draging neandathals, and the men are just the same.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 17:54 utc | 229
Something about Reform UK which isn’t widely known – or at least is ignored by our MSM – is that Reform UK is not so much a political party as a business.
It’s actually the current trading name of Brexit Party Ltd – major shareholder (more than 50%) is one Nigel Farage.
This is why he gets to to be leader – he has most shares so he gets to choose, and he chooses himself. Democracy in action, although the cynical might consider it a dictatorship.
Reform UK is in reality a vanity project for a bunch of millionaire, ex-public school, ex-Tory members (and funders). Their voters are Tories who think the Tory party isn’t right wing and xenophobic enough already.

Posted by: Red Star | Jul 6 2024 19:36 utc | 236

Red Star @ 236
I agree.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 19:47 utc | 237

I don’t know. Perhaps he will be more competent than expected, though obviously he can’t change much with the US leaning on him.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 6 2024 18:37 utc | 230
Things to bear in mind : Starmer was a member of the Trilateral Commission. He’s supposed to have since left, but I suspect, like the Mafia, you don’t ever really get to resign.
Starmer joined the Trilateral Commission at some point between March 2017 and October 2018. He left at some point between April 2021 and June 2022.
The fact that he was – unknown to the Labour party – a member of the TC during Corbyn’s leadership, and that Starmer was working to undermine Corbyn every chance he got, might raise a few questions.
James Schneider, who was Corbyn’s spokesman while he was leader: “Starmer didn’t inform us that he was joining the Trilateral Commission while serving in the shadow cabinet. If he had, we would have put a stop to it, like we did when he tried to take an inappropriate outside job with city law firm Mischon de Reya while shadow Brexit secretary.”
Schneider added: “Membership of the Trilateral Commission, a body dedicated to promoting corporate power, was plainly incompatible with Labour’s then-stated policies of redistributing wealth and power from the few to the many.”
When asked if he was surprised to discover that Starmer had joined the group without informing Corbyn’s team, Schneider replied: “No. Dishonesty is Keir Starmer’s hallmark.”
https://www.declassifieduk.org/keir-starmer-joined-secretive-cia-linked-group-while-serving-in-corbyns-shadow-cabinet/
The above article also tells us : “In June 2019, then US secretary of state Mike Pompeo visited the UK and was recorded saying privately: “It could be that Mr Corbyn manages to run the gauntlet and get elected. It’s possible. You should know, we won’t wait for him to do those things to begin to push back. We will do our level best. It’s too risky and too important and too hard once it’s already happened.”
Starmer was serving on the Trilateral Commission at the time. ”
After the Corbyn scare, Starmer is the Esthablishment’s safe pair of hands. After all, you don’t get to be a ‘Sir’ if you’re in any way critical of the aims of the Esthablishment.

Posted by: Red Star | Jul 6 2024 19:52 utc | 238

I love my Country, its for that reason i’m angry with the now 3 extsreme right wing fascist partys … tory, Labour and reform.
I will have to hold my nose rejoining the labour party.
I left out of princible.
Having seen the genicide of palistinians. Condoned by starmer.
I’l rejoin out of princable we need to rejoin and speak up /speak out, from with in.
At this stage its pushing on an open door.
Starmer has no mandate for mass murder.
Hes guilty of being envolved in genicide.
And should stand trial.
Out with him.
Preveous generations of Labour people would turn in their grave.
Lastly this is’nt a cosey academic debate topic this is life or death for someone every day in Gaza. Its urgent.
Clearly your comunist, how long will it take for your party to take control ?
To long, forget it. Join labour take it back its stolen.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 20:06 utc | 239

232 – Starmer was apparently a member of a small Trotskyist group 30 or so years ago. These little deviations in youth are seen as OK as a sort of youthful fling with radicalism – the assumption is that they put away such childish things later. So yes, people change – but Starmer rediscovering socialism? Nah, it is not in his personal interests to do so and he won’t.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 6 2024 20:10 utc | 240

To enlarge a bit more on Starmer, I think he will be Blair without the flair (an accurate bon mot from Farage) and Thatcher without the guts. And he may not last as long as either of them did.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 6 2024 20:21 utc | 241

Waldorf @ 241
I agree.
Ha ha ha. No sereously i just love all your comments, your allways spot on and i just know you’v got a hart.
Fair gives me hope.
Respect

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 20:27 utc | 242

242 – Thanks. It’s nice to be appreciated.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 6 2024 20:39 utc | 243

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 20:06 utc | 239
I don’t doubt your love for your country, but. I certainly doubt that you understand it, or the people you seem to want to identify with. Again, the unanswered question, have you worked with the hoi-poloi, or are your experiences either theoretical, or centre-driven? I just ask because you seem to be incredibly dismissive, patronising and/or insulting about any core values that deviate from your own, some of which are held by those you seem to speak for.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 20:44 utc | 244

Posted by: Red Star | Jul 6 2024 19:52 utc | 238
Of course people never change. they have to be held to every word they said twenty years ago. I don’t have much hope for Starmer, but there is a slight chance that his new-found confidence may lead him to act better than you expect. That was my point, which you ignored.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 6 2024 20:51 utc | 245

Milites @ 244
I reckonise a sincer qeostion when i see it so…
Retired now but my work with trees has taken me to every strata of british class.
My love for afro caribians ment i got really down and dirty seeing life through their eyes as victem. As an actavist (antfascism) their is nothing i havent seen from the raceist’s that could desuade me from hate for them.
Farage and i know what his followers are capable of. He incites it, but is ckeaver enough to try and gag his people in front of the media same as trump. Until they get power. Heaven for bid.
Just a bunch of coward bully’s , allways punching downward not upward. Thanks but no thanks, i’m a better man than that. I’m on the side of the vonrable.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 21:04 utc | 246

Of course people never change. they have to be held to every word they said twenty years ago. I don’t have much hope for Starmer, but there is a slight chance that his new-found confidence may lead him to act better than you expect. That was my point, which you ignored.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 6 2024 20:51 utc | 245
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—and a much greater likelihood that he will be even worse. That is, after all, the direction in which he will be pulled.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 6 2024 21:21 utc | 247

I don’t have much hope for Starmer, but there is a slight chance that his new-found confidence may lead him to act better than you expect. That was my point, which you ignored.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 6 2024 20:51 utc | 245
So Starmer joined the Trilateral Commission, worked hard to undermine Corbyn, and made all the other decidedly undemocratic internal Labour party decisions he’s made since becoming leader because he was lacking in confidence ?
Nah, I don’t buy it. He’s a TC placeman, funded in part by zionist sources. Whatever soul he may once have possessed has been well and truly sold.

Posted by: Red Star | Jul 6 2024 21:28 utc | 248

Sorry about my typo’s
Tired eyes and working class education.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 6 2024 21:29 utc | 249

Posted by: canuck | Jul 6 2024 15:05 utc | 217
Just one more reason to be grateful. Im neither christian or anachist. A philosophy that denies human free will or freedon isnt my thing. Come to think of it. Fredrich may be part of why most humans ive met seem to have a belief that they cant do anything about the wrongs they see around tbem.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 6 2024 22:32 utc | 250

Posted by: Milites | Jul 5 2024 16:16 utc | 46
Can you explain what you mean by “cleanup”?
Also, tell us more about _your_ beloved doctrine. Surely it’s not just “socialism bad”?

Posted by: Gene Poole | Jul 7 2024 7:41 utc | 251

Posted by: Red Star | Jul 6 2024 19:36 utc | 236
“Their voters are Tories who think the Tory party isn’t right wing and xenophobic enough already.”
Xenophobic? Let’s look at the most recent Tory home secretaries, for instance.
James Cleverly
Grant Shapps
Suella Braverman
Priti Patel
Sajid Javid
Not a single Anglo-Saxon.

Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Jul 7 2024 7:58 utc | 252

test

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 7 2024 8:57 utc | 253

Not a single Anglo-Saxon.
Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Jul 7 2024 7:58 utc | 252
Its not openly spoken of here in the UK, for obvious reasons, but I believe the electorate would never vote in any one other than an anglo saxon as Prime Minster. Not a hope in hell.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 7 2024 9:20 utc | 254

oh well, I tried to post Starmer’s electorate and Galloway’s electorate results but for some reason MOA wouldn’t post them…

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 7 2024 9:20 utc | 255

Posted by: Milites | Jul 5 2024 17:08 utc | 63
First question: Who and where are the working class?
Second question: Why are you sharing your criticisms of the Left in a thread about the victory of a Labour that is not a party of the Left?

Posted by: Gene Poole | Jul 7 2024 9:35 utc | 256

I don’t know diddly about UK politics, but from what I’ve learned about Keir Starmer is that the SOB is BOJO in another wrapping. Of course the Brits will want to shit can his government a few months from now when they realize he’s just another lying Globalist turd in a suit. That being said, Farage and his cronies would likely win IF the UK’s demographics were anything like what they were in the 1950’s. Same reality applies here in the USA. Anyone wanting to bring back the good old days is hopelessly out of touch. Which is why Trump is courting “minority “ voters. Eventually, even the hard core honkies will realize they have to accept that if they don’t want to be liquidated by the Davos anti-human scum, they’ll have to abandon the idea of skin-tone supremacy and focus on working with people who share fundamental conservative values: Faith, Family, Liberty, Peace, and Prosperity.
Just my 2 cents…

Posted by: OldFart | Jul 7 2024 10:09 utc | 257

Not a single Anglo-Saxon.
The crucible of western civilization is disempowered in a post christian zionist pervertion
Thatcher’s dad was a protestant preacher and Nixon was a quaker are the last WASP’s in power.

Posted by: phenon | Jul 7 2024 11:24 utc | 258

Posted by: phenon | Jul 7 2024 11:24 utc | 258
The British electorate see Anglo-Saxon as being an ethnically white person. There is no point putting forward a brown or black candidate and expect them to vote for them

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 7 2024 11:46 utc | 259

Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Jul 7 2024 7:58 utc | 252
And look at the dismal racist mess they made.

Posted by: KingCobra | Jul 7 2024 12:14 utc | 260

‘The British electorate see Anglo-Saxon as being an ethnically white person.’
An apparently white person such as Starmer is likely to follow a zionist path throughout his whole life before being allowed near power.
They want someone who will stop the destruction of indiginous europeans and demonisation by Zionists of everything they do.
An indiginous genocide is happening in Europe.

Posted by: phenon | Jul 7 2024 12:37 utc | 261

(@ Posted by: james | Jul 6 2024 1:46 utc | 160 and others thanks for the repost – I wasn’t getting it through on this article – probably some strange auto magic of the system to avoid duplicates …)
It seems there is some 77th type gas lighting gone on about 1. Starmer and the suppose great landslide victory; 2 . DS Murdoch flunkies Nige the FartAge and his poxy ‘party’ which never was and 3. Gorgeous George and his magnificent ‘party’ that also never was.
I’ll take 2 and 3 together first.
It is simple.
They are both DS gatekeeper rabble rousers , sheepdogs of the right/left
Geddit?
Don’t waste your time or my breath trying to explain and show their history in detail to prove that is exactly what hat and who they are. Spies in the House of Class Warfare – they are the traitors who actually work for the enemy.
I know this message is hurting their minders so i have been getting trolled heavily for it.
Which I don’t mind as the flak tells me I am spot on target. Lol
Now to my final words this weekend on Ze New Feuhrer Starmtrooper who is going to come out as a cold blooded killer screaming ‘EXTERMINATE’. Soon to receive de on the Caitlin’s of the easiest England Football victory paths finally for decades in an international- a vital part of moving the British into war mentality based on that restoration of superiority complex.
Corbyn should not have let him back in after Starmers first chickencoup attempt.
He should have also slapped him down when he went off piste at Conference and ‘invented’ the option of a new referendum on BrexShit – not approved by the leader or the shadow cabinet.
JC should have been harder on the traitorous NEC that worked from day one that he was elected as leader to oust him and restore one of the Blairites.
But JC isn’t a ruthless Nazi who deploys the long knives. It was also the fault of his advisors and minders in not realising how much the Crown deepstate and their global zionazimedia propaganda and mockingbird planted agents would resist the possibility of their decades long (centuries long in some instances) plans at continued World Domination being threatened.
I have stated previously that it is multifaceted and therefore can’t be understood in limited timescales or discreet events.
For instance the NHS privatisation and Covid data collection of individuals and their medical records along with the mandatory vaxxes and passports are part of the global Pharma industrial complexes plans with the Medical Insurance providers as a means of controlling the lives and deaths of populations.
The War on Terror and death and destruction of independent oil producing nations by the old Seven Sisters oil mafiosi and the European ‘cousins’Anglo Dutch Shell and BP and French and Italian Oil exploiters – were part of the western global oil cartels keeping strict control on that resource trade using the petro $ – a major part of the World Bank, IMF stick to keep the developing world poor and keep in hock with their loan shark ‘loans’
The greater control of the remaining undeveloped natural resources of the World in the Artic and Antarctic, South Americas, South East Asia and Pacific and the greatest one of the lot – Africa are the long term goals formulated in Mackinders World Island courses taught at universities to the aspiring elite apparatchiks and conquistadors of each generation.
This includes the control of extraction, agriculture and food supply – a major part of the AgroIndustrial Complex. Where GM crops and processed foods are to be used to constrain the supply of basic foods for the growing World population- creating mass extermination through famine, pestilence, and disease – because poor old war can’t consume that many people as his fellow riders.
The grabbing of Ukranian agriculture land which is represents nearly 50% of ‘current European’ agricultural land is part of that goal; much has been transferred to the globalists already undercover of the ‘provoked’ war in toppling Russia and grabbing Crimea .. the old Great Game never stops for the scions of aristo martial families. War is used for enrichment from Public funds by the Miltary Industrial complex.
Now as we all know all these structures are connected by a network of Global Financial organisations and the ‘investment’ Funds – which control and own businesses across the whole world and ‘manage’ funds which are valued in multiples of many countries combined GDP’s!
There are cross ownerships by funds in the other funds. Executives and non executive directors sit on each others boards and all the Bankers have great say over how the whole is used to constantly steal the Wealth of the World through them and to their ultimate owners – how many of such powerful mega rich people are there?
Less than 10,000! Of them only a handful are the Uber overlords, capos do tutti fruitti or whatever.
Into all this and the imperialists front lines of the ukraine and The Levant, around the world, the mafiosi thugs and enforcers are the appointed politicians and their minders.
The Blairites, who extended the WoT zionazi crimes and exploitation , controlled by their Mossad controllers needed a way of being ‘immunised’ from criminal liability for their lies and mass murdering criminal conspiracies – so as they departed they left in place a lillywhite, groomed, zionazi controlled legal eagle – Keir ‘Keith’ Starmer.
He was put in charge of prosecutions or more precisely in corrupting the process of any real justice.
Alistair Campbell, the Mossad thug, Mendellson, the creepy Machiavellian friend of the filthy rich and Zionist masters, connected by family history and the two shitheads Blair and Brown fronted the cabinet that sold the U.K. even further than Callaghan and Healy did – they who suceeded in derailing the post war social contract.
They are the strings that pull the political puppets as they did two generations of Labour politicians – gradually exterminating all who would remain true to the cause of the Labour Party – the lifting of the poor and provision of whole of life security for the populations; bringing Peace and prosperity through out the world by curtailing the Masters of The Universe and their never ending hunger for wealth and power.
Starmer achieved his planned aims – successfully stopping any prosecution for war crimes; he provided protection for the paedophile and blackmailers (Savile), the war makers and he attacked the whistleblowers and truth tellers. With punishments, secret legal arrangements, protecting the media hacking of everyone by the Masters, such as Murdoch’s News International and Maxwells Mirror edited by Murdoch gutter snipe Piers Morgan who was controlled by his petty larceny in stock pumping when editor of Dead Maxwells Daily Mirror – the newspaper grabbed by that ZioKing to neuter the post war Labour faithful.
Statmer got his knighthood at an early age for the services rendered and through his marriage is connected to the String holders. Because of the Corbyn miracle he had to be brought to the frontline – a generation of Blairebabes and boo boos having fallen aside as they weren’t able to take their planned positions in 2019/20.
So the Great Knight Hope was elevated to lead the grand plans post BrexShit, Covid, Ukraine, to the next stage – yup that global capture and annihilation of humans by 9/10th!
The Head Boy of Mega Death Collective Wasters.
The best way to try and understand the Starmztrooper is as a DrWho alien species – specifically the Dalek.
whilst looking like a Ken and Barbie Doll, as the current crop of new-NuLabourMurderInc creatures will be fashioned.
He has the screechy annoying voice and it only says one thing ‘Exterminate’!
That is what he was manufatured to do.
Exterminate, Exterminate, EXTERMINATE

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 7 2024 12:48 utc | 262

Phenon @ 251
I see your logic but your being fooled.
It was thatcher who off shored our industry.it was teresa may relaxed border controls.
Why ? To create a migrant problem then offer to fix it.
Right now farage benifts from imigration. Yes ?
Its a vote winner for him. Yes ?
You want reduced imigration and refugees ?
Support… Corbyn Galloway. They are against war and slave labouer abroad, leading to economic migrants and uneconomic british manufactured goods.
Cheers.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 12:58 utc | 263

Orban brings up history
Orban dug into Hungarian and Ukrainian history over the centuries when he was with Zelensky, forcing Zelenski to nod his head as Orban described the shape of the Hapsburg empire, the Russian predominance in Ukraine region, followed by the shrinking of Hungary and re-configuring of countries after WWI by Lenin and the West. His basic message: “the Hungarian speakers on the Ukraine side of the border have been there for centuries and they are our people.” (my paraphrase) This framing exposes and explodes the fairy tale that Ukraine’s borders are sacred and that everyone must be a super patriot, stop speaking their family language and sign up to wipe out the Russians. I’m sure the people in Ukraine heard Orban’s words, likely to stiffen resistence among non- Galicians.

Posted by: migueljose | Jul 7 2024 13:02 utc | 264

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 6 2024 21:21 utc | 247
Posted by: Red Star | Jul 6 2024 21:28 utc | 248
I quite agree that it is far better to condemn out of ignorance (malenkov) or out of ideological obsession (Red Star), far better than actually analysing the situation.
I don’t have much hope about Starmer, given that he is 100% owned by the Lobby. But he has developed quite a lot since being elected Labour leader. There’s quite a good article in this sense by Andrew Rawnsley in the Observer today. One could even say he’s started well as PM, but of course that says nothing about the longer-term future.
By the way, no similar article about the French elections, I see.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 7 2024 13:02 utc | 265

Languerre @ 265
Its a war not a battle.
The torys are fucked (good thing to.)
Battle one.
Starmer is a stinking turd and will allways be so. But but he just happens to be leader of the labour party as israels puppet.
And Labour as of now just happen to be the new govenment.
Sulotion…. remove starmer retake labour party, gain control of UK govenment.
All quit demogcratic.
50% didnt vote they should get on bored this plan.
Most carrer labour party mps did’nt vote for a Gaza ceasefire, why ? Becouse they know they are scared of israel, yes ? They are scared of starmer the israel puppet.
Join.. purge tbe party excecutive.vote starmer out.
Job done.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 13:18 utc | 266

What we need now is full and open disclosesher of labour MP’s finance backers plus the PM’s funders. Thats the achelles heel the crack to gain leverage. And chalange the party exsecutive.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 13:25 utc | 267

To do the above we need to join rejoin the labour party as subscriotion paid up members then lobby lobby lobby.
With the end game ending these stuped senseless wars and both genicides.
No ifs no buts.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 13:32 utc | 268

Starmer is a stinking turd
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 13:18 utc | 266
That says everything about your thinking, if you can’t get beyond that. Corbyn was never going to get into power. He didn’t have the political astuteness to get around the Lobby’s smear campaign against him. You do need to be politically astute if you’re going to get to the top of the greasy pole and stay there. We’ll see if what happens with Starmer is that he’s forced to abandon his open support for genocide. Could well be the case. There was very considerable support for “Gaza” candidates, and he won’t be able to fob it off, as his masters would like him to do.
But the important point is domestic policy, and there we could have a Blair-like period.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 7 2024 13:33 utc | 269

Laguerre
Comes back with the if’s and buts.
Shame on you.
You dont live in Raffa i take it ?
Wheres your sense of urgencey ?
Got a better plan ?
Wait and see ?
F u. Shame.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 13:41 utc | 270

The name is Starmer, not ‘Stamer’. Thanks for the load of wisdom. Without colonies, ordinary Brits are dead as mutton. Ones who will survive, and even thrive no matter who enters or leaves 10 Downing Street, are those gnomes of City of London, who ‘manage’ accounts of drug czars, international brothel owners, international crooks who steal public funds and stash away in cash or in the real estate of London, and the ‘influential’ racketeers of all five continents. God speed and the let the deveil take the hind part.

Posted by: Ramtanu Maitra | Jul 7 2024 13:42 utc | 271

You dont live in Raffa i take it ?
Wheres your sense of urgencey ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 13:41 utc | 270
I was on the demo yesterday. Were you? I have a deep relationship with the Arab countries, as most commenters here know. I’ve had to cope with the consequences of the wars launched by or on behalf of Israel for the last quarter of a century. I am not inactive, but it’s not always direct action.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 7 2024 14:36 utc | 272

Ramtanu Matra @ 271
I hope your wrong, but if you are right then i say…
Vladimire Putin…. press the button.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 14:37 utc | 273

Lagurerre @ 272
I know what you said @ 272 to be true.
Very often i thank you for your expert opinion as you know.
Yes i was in a march, complete with some rageing izzy ranting in my face, flecks of spittle in the corner of his mouth. While his team of weird looking mates/gang/ family looked on, filming.
So i’m still waiting for your better plan than mine. Addressing the urgency.
No thought not.
Meenwhile then get on boared its a good plan, its legail. And it ciuld be done very quickly.
Apart from apathy of course.
It’l be apathy that kills us not the elite. Trust me.
Cheers.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 14:50 utc | 274

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 14:50 utc | 274
Well, I don’t necessarily have a solution for the Gaza problem, but I do have the observation that Israel has tipped over from being a successful modern state into being recognised as a time-limited foreign colony, where liberation will be expected, and may come in my lifetime. That is is Netanyahu’s achievement.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 7 2024 19:03 utc | 275

ICYMI
Not so much a Labour landslide as a Tory collapse. Much of the Starmtrooper majority was delivered courtesy of Farage’s Reform party which sucked away many Tory voters, allowing the Labour candidate to slip through.
The British voting system really sucks for anything other than a two horse race.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 7 2024 20:16 utc | 276

Not so much a Labour landslide as a Tory collapse. Much of the Starmtrooper majority was delivered courtesy of Farage’s Reform party which sucked away many Tory voters, allowing the Labour candidate to slip through.
The British voting system really sucks for anything other than a two horse race.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 7 2024 20:16 utc | 276
Already mentioned somewhere, if UK was NOT fbp unipersonal circles they’d end up worse than RN in france.

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 7 2024 20:22 utc | 277

Ok breaking news
Break out the champagne.
I dont mess about.
Here we go.
Here’s the thing.
300 new Labour MPs will be sat in parliment when they return, so many a lot will have to sit on the opposition benchs.
Ha ha ha (you can tell i’m luvin this)
200 are Corbynisters.
Yeay over the top lads n lass’s here we come.
Falls of chair. Rolls spliff (medical purposes only)
Good night all. I’l be here all week.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 22:04 utc | 278

@Mark2
🙂 will look in every now and again.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 7 2024 22:29 utc | 279

Ornot @ 279
👍
To add…. my sourse is ligit, bbc news debate after 10pm
Now figure. They never give Corbyn any posative reporting ever. So this must be true and ‘they’ must be concerned.
It will of course be evident as the days go by. Anyone wants to follow up. Im sure would be intesting other sites take on this.
When they did Corbyn in where did all that support go ? They /we are still here and still pissed off about it. Enevtable when you think about it.
He had the bigist political party in europe.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 22:46 utc | 280

@ Mark2 | Jul 7 2024 22:46 utc | 280
If those 200 “Corbynsters” are like Corbyn, then Starmer has nothing to worry about.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 8 2024 0:34 utc | 281

Malenkov @ 281
The elit thrive on gulable fools like you,
So you fell for all that did you ha ha..
Murdoch media hype,
tory hate born out of fear of one man.. Corbyn.
Back stabbing starmer paid by the izzy’s.
Wanna by a bridge ?
Corbyn is a movment. A concept, Castro.
A tactician.
He just cought everyone off balance. No one saw this coming.
I only saw it in the last 24 hours.
Cut him some slack,
For Gaza’s sake.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 8 2024 0:57 utc | 282

@ Mark2 | Jul 8 2024 0:57 utc | 282
Gaza deserves better than someone who made a career out of submission-peeing in front of the likes of Starmer.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 8 2024 1:03 utc | 283

I think it’s fairly obvious that the Starmer regime will make Blair’s government like some kind of socialist utopia in comparison

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 8 2024 13:13 utc | 284

284 – Yes, but I suspect for all sorts of reasons, mainly economic, Starmer’s regime will run into crisis a lot sooner than Blair’s did.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 8 2024 16:00 utc | 285

His wife is also rabidly Zionist Jew.
One is not selected unless one is pro GENOCIDE.
I hope you get to feeling better soon, B
Sure miss your insights!

Posted by: Kay | Jul 9 2024 0:49 utc | 286

His wife is also rabidly Zionist Jew.
One is not selected unless one is pro GENOCIDE.
I hope you get to feeling better soon, B
Sure miss your insights!

Posted by: Kay | Jul 9 2024 0:49 utc | 287

With you on that Mark2.
I never vote nor have intention to. Putting all policy ideas aside, Corbyn always struck me as having an honest decency, a simple and uncomplicated sense.
I suppose we will see where this all goes, not unheard of for a party to replace its leader, so I imagine a few are going to be on edge.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 11 2024 20:37 utc | 288