While incorporating some of this discourse into an article I discovered at least some of the pact that was signed, it being called two different names–one by the Chinese, “Beijing Declaration on Ending Division and Strengthening Palestinian National Unity,” and one by the Palestinians which follows below, although further titles may be forthcoming:

“The Beijing Declaration to End Palestinian National Division: To unify national efforts to confront aggression and stop the genocide war.”
The following was agreed upon by 14 Palestinian factions at the end of the reconciliation meeting in Beijing, China today, including Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, DFLP, and Fatah:
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– The Palestinian factions welcome the opinion of the International Court of Justice, which confirmed the illegality of presence, occupation, and settlement.
– Continuing to follow up on the implementation of the agreements to end the division that took place with the help of Egypt, Algeria, China, and Russia.
– Commitment to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state with its capital in Al-Quds in accordance with international resolutions, especially 181 and 2334, and ensuring the right of return.
– We affirm the right of the Palestinian people to resist occupation and end it in accordance with international laws, the UN Charter, and the right of peoples to self-determination.
– To form a temporary national unity government with the consensus of Palestinian factions and by a decision of the president based on the Palestinian Basic Law.
– The formed government exercises its powers and authorities over all Palestinian territories, confirming the unity of the West Bank, Al-Quds, and the Gaza Strip.
– To resist and thwart attempts to displace our people from their homeland, especially from the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and Al-Quds.
– Working to lift the barbaric siege on our people in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank and deliver humanitarian and medical aid without restriction or condition.

Additional info will be provided in my article beyond that posted during this discourse.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2024 0:12 utc | 103

Posted by: Honzo | Jul 24 2024 0:14 utc | 104
What about Chinas invasion of Vietnam, after USA left?
How can DPRK be a losing horse when it won?
That’s some one hand clapping the fallen tree inversion.
I think China is highly pragmatic. To them, hegemony is a common word.
But, to answer the question, China invaded Vietnam, because it backed a losing horse in Pol-Pot.
China is a strange finger trap puzzle.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 0:20 utc | 105

30 karlof1. The reality of your assessment of the situation of the Palestinians can’t be denied. The Chinese govt, although it has relegated Maoism to the shelf, makes use of Mao thought and strategies of the Revolution when expedient. So, perhaps the govt is referencing the history of the United Front when the Maoist army joined up with the Koumintang to defeat the Japanese invasion.
Why would Hamas place itself under the mantle of the PA except in the hope of receiving some weapons from China? Which still hasn’t happened. Either it’s Chinese hopium or self-serving gaming. Maybe it will lead to some military support, but doesn’t seem to be indicated. At least give this ‘unity’ a new name like ‘A New United Front’ or some such, suggesting the PA will change, although no one expects that.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 24 2024 0:32 utc | 107

Surely Netanyahu is a Ukrainian Nazi, same as the Neocons, Nuland etc.
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 23 2024 23:45 utc | 100
Hungarian apparently.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 0:43 utc | 108
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Bibi’s dad was from Warsaw and moved to Mandate Palestine, where he met his Palestine-born wife.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 24 2024 0:47 utc | 109

‘Israel’ is no longer the assured victor and Palestine is ascendent.
The Chinese hedge their bets accordingly.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 18:09 utc | 48
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It is more likely that the Chinese, increasingly feeling the threat of Zionism encroaching within China, recognize the Palestinians as the anti-Zionist Vanguard and are aligning themselves with them.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 24 2024 0:54 utc | 111

knife to USAs balls
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 1:08 utc | 112
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China is already shaving the USA, or haven’t you noticed?

Posted by: too scents | Jul 24 2024 1:11 utc | 113

110 karlof1. OK and thank you for your perspective but earlier on (can’t remember which thread) an MOA poster asked why can’t China place sanctions (I don’t know which maybe some technology exports) on Israel? Or support BDS? What is the current state of China’s trade with Usrael? Does anything for China take precedence over development and trade? Someone will say better than military solutions. True, but not enough to solve the problem of world barbarism and the sacrifice of the Palestinians.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 24 2024 1:31 utc | 115

A few here are taking note of and quoting a bit Karl has has wrote. He is I think correct so its worth taking note of and heeding what the man says. No not Karl – Putin. Leningrad… Something about they are all fighting the same enemy…. We wont stand by and watch forever…. the Arabs must have unity before Russia can act… And so now we see Chinese diplomacy creating that unity. Ducks are being put in a row and when they are all lined up? I suspect things will go to shit for the Brits, the Americans, and their tar baby the zionist entity called Israel.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 2:10 utc | 117

Suresh | Jul 24 2024 2:12 utc | 118
In 2022, Lavrov said Russia accepted the challenge of hybrid war with the West. Certainly something brewing in the region, within the so called axis of resistance.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 2:17 utc | 119

karlof1 | Jul 23 2024 22:56 utc | 95/96
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My response to Karlof1 @ 95/96.
Thank you, Karl, for your response to my summary comment to JB at # 79. Let me point out that I was writing a short summary based on my earlier readings and studies about the events leading to the situation in Palestine today. I have not made an exhaustive study of such matters as you have, and that is why I started my summary after 1948, after the Nakba 1948/1949, and after David Bin-Gurion declared Israel an independent state.
But you are correct to point out that the UN vote to partition Palestine into two states was in fact a 1946 and not 1949 ( please see: 11 May 1949 below) in a Resolution # 181: In which the United Nations proposed a partition plan in for 1947, to divide Palestine into two separate countries: a Jewish and an Arab state. Britain accepted this plan, and the US and the Soviet Union and France (which had only a provisional government at that time) all supported the vote which led to the eventual creation of the state Israel in 1948.
I did not go into a discussion about the “original Mandate for Palestine” or the “the Balfour Declaration,” i.e. the history between WW1 and WW2, as such an endeavor for me would require more research and space than my “off the top of my head” reply to JB @ 79 was worthy of.
Because I respect your opinion on most subjects very much, I am honored that you fleshed out my bare bone and not completely correct comment to JB.
(On 11 May 1949, the General Assembly by the requisite two-thirds majority approved the application to admit Israel to the UN by United Nations General Assembly Resolution 273: My Bad).
To JB I say I think your question is well covered at this point.
Cheers,

Posted by: Ed | Jul 24 2024 2:32 utc | 121

….. Don’t forget the SAS operatives who were captured in Basra in traditional Shiite dress carrying detonators and various explosives and small arms. Their capture led to the British chucklefucks storming the prison to free them using a Challenger tank……..

Critical to never forget

Posted by: Exile | Jul 24 2024 2:40 utc | 123

Posted by: Honzo | Jul 24 2024 0:14 utc | 104
>DPRK was a losing horse UNTIL China backed it.
China would have become the “losing horse” if it had allowed the DPRK to lose. There’s a difference in context so recognise that.
>Your description sounds, well, racist to me, as if the Chinese are, as a group, unable to support anyone but themselves.
Call it what you want, but I call it as I see it. You boil it down to “race”, I boil it down to the foreign policy of a State.
That state has pretty much acted out of pure self interest on the global stage for the past century as far as I can tell.
Regarding “race” – the Chinese are not a “race” in the sense I refer to them, they’re a political entity comprising dozens of ethnicities and lineages and that is the sense in which I refer to and classify them.
Unless you’re referring specifically to the Han sub-group? Does Han = China in your evaluation?
I assert: China, generally as a political entity is unable to support anyone other than itself unless it’s own national security is on the line.
>China is playing the long game with tools that most barflies don’t seem to understand. Western minds have been so thoroughly captured by bourgeois thought
Well, gee Honzo, that sounds racist to me. What makes you think “Western” minds don’t understand the long game?
In fact, if you want to look at hard, cold reality – and I’m sorry to bust your bubble here – Western minds understand the long game better than anyone – and perhaps the Chinese are newcomers to this game in the modern era.
These “Western minds” you refer to are past masters of the kind of the long game and “tools” you mention.
How else do you explain the fact that they still have colonies in the middle east, africa, south america and yes, even asia (looking at you, Japan, SK, Philippines, Singapore …)?
How else do you explain the fact that despite the furious rise of the Global South, including China, India (and I include Russia) in the end they’re still playing the same rigged game those “western minds” set into motion 500 years ago?
We’ve made much about how the Chinese think in terms of centuries (I know I’m guilty of that too), and that may be indicative of the current generation of world leaders, but frankly I would LOVE to see China embrace the kind of multi-generational, multi-centennial thinking and planning the British and Dutch Colonialists of the VoC and BEIC embraced hundreds of years ago.
These “Western minds” you refer to are past masters of the kind of the long game and “tools” you mention. I don’t see any indication that most barflies here have missed that.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 24 2024 2:57 utc | 125

Have not absorbed all the details and missed the birth of this thread (learning of it at the esteemed karlof1’s Gymn) but this development might herald a significant opening, however perhaps not in the way several of the Palestinian groups are discussing viz territorial and tactical niggles (which are substantial), rather an opportunity to finally create a bona fide Palestinian State which, importantly, will be recognized by other important nations as such. That recognition will prove a veritable game changer so is a consummation devoutly to be wished by all pro-Palestinian factions despite their religious and tactical differences.
Because of the century-long mess this State will have to come into being without clear borders settled, however recognition alone means they can enter into binding agreements with other States, including heavy hitters like China and Russia, who tend to honour their commitments; this in turn might lead the way to a dynamic which will ultimately involve enforcement without which absolutely nothing will ever be resolved. And once enforcement takes the field, a territorial settlement can be reached, be it one or two state.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 24 2024 3:00 utc | 127

Nutunyahoo has ramped up the Genocide recently. It is at an unspeakably cruel and horrific level now. Palestinians being chased and targeted everywhere they go. Laith Marouf has chronicled this being interviewed by Activist News Network. He relates this to Nut visit to Congress in the face of Joe Biden, although now no Biden to be present tomorrow.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 24 2024 3:06 utc | 129

what i see in the chinese declaration. is that the p. L. O. will unite with hamas in armed revolt… i expect the west bank to explode in armed resistance… on a level, that will shock the world…

Posted by: prometheus1200bc | Jul 24 2024 3:38 utc | 131

Barflies,
Time for you all to get acquainted with the legal concept of joint criminal enterprise because that’s what awaits the Likud and IDF if they persist in genociding

Posted by: Exile | Jul 24 2024 4:08 utc | 133

ZH has a posting up with the title
Trump Confirms Netanyahu Meeting At Mar-A-Lago
Given what China has done, how do barflies think that conversation will go?
Given my disdain for Trump, I still see him as more of a realist than Zionist and believe he sees the direction a significant part of the world is moving in…..and I think he sees it will move there/somewhere significantly before he potentially takes office/control.
What will be left of Occupied Palestine by the time Nutty returns after his visit with Trump on the 25th?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 24 2024 4:12 utc | 135

There’s a new Big Dog in town. This may only be an appearance rather than direct military support. However on the economic front China enjoys considerable leverage as well as growing admiration from most of the world, coupled with anxious apprehensive on the part of the ruling financier elite. Their dream of total world domination, with the U$$A featured as their attack-dog, fully collared, leashed and obedient…is now getting a bit sketchy.
The Great Wheel of Cosmic congruences is speeding up as millions upon millions awaken across the planet. Even here in the ruptured Republic; public opinion is no longer under full control by the caged media.
Interesting times.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 24 2024 4:23 utc | 137

Below is a little additive tidbit from Xinhuanet about the meeting

Diplomatic envoys to China or their representatives from Egypt, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Russia and Türkiye as well as representatives from 14 main Palestinian factions attended the closing ceremony.

Lots of folk on the sidelines of this event

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 24 2024 4:37 utc | 139

‘Ambushes of Death’ – Resistance Roundup – Day 291
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/ambushes-of-death-resistance-roundup-day-291/
Comment – 2 squads of IDF fighters “destroyed” . Lebanese struck a handful of IDF bases (again) 3 videos. Merkava Tally unchanged at 206.

Posted by: Exile | Jul 24 2024 5:08 utc | 141

@7 Don Bacon
Don Bacon: “Israel supported the resolution because it called on the Arab states to accept Israel’s right ‘to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.’ ”
Disingenuous, to say the least
It should be enough to say that this was not a gift given by the UNSC to Israel but was, instead, a necessary condition of any agreement that could achieve “a just and lasting peace” i.e. there can’t be “peace” without all states recognizing the boundaries of all other states.
Which to my mind amounts to a masterly statement of the obvious.
Note that according to Res 242 Israel is just as much required to recognize and respect the boundaries of (say) Syria and Lebanon.
Which, needless to say, it has not and still does not recognize nor respect.
Don Bacon: “Israel’s recognized boundaries are the ‘Mandatory Palestine’ borders from the past.”
A neat trick, since Israel doesn’t recognize those boundaries except with respect to the border with Egypt and with Jordan, both being “without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip” and “without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967”, respectively.
Don Bacon: “Palestine was not mentioned in 242.”
The only mention in Resolution 242 to any entity is to “Israel armed forces”, which is not the same thing as the “state of Israel”.
“On March 25, 2019, the United States officially recognized the Golan Heights (in Syria) as being under the sovereignty of Israel.”
Well, whoop-de-do. The USA officially recognizes many things that are manifestly absurd. Add that one to the list.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 24 2024 5:57 utc | 143

This is called “Beijing Declaration” 《北京宣言》for important reason. China regards the word “Declaration” to be a significant and solemn statement of historical proportion. For example, the “Cairo Declaration” is considered to be the dividing line that defines the post-WW2 world order. If you talk to Chinese about, says Taiwan, you often hear sentences like “according to the Cairo Declaration, Taiwan belongs to China…” The fact that this is signed in Beijing attached even more weight to the Declaration.
In the 1930’s, China was heavily divided. Besides the better-known division between KMT and communist, there were 10’s of warlords and local forces occupying various parts of China, e.g. 张学良 from the Northeast, 冯玉祥、阎锡山 from the Northwest, 李宗仁、白崇禧 from the southwest, 刘湘、王家烈…. etc. This had greatly hindered the efforts to fight the invasion of the superior Japanese military, but also allowed the enemy to divide and sow discords among the different fractions. It was only after the KMT, the various warlords and communist decided to unite before significant resistance to the invading forces was possible.
Today, we witness the 14 Palestinian groups of disparate interests gathered to sign the Declaration. Again, this is an important event similar to the historical point in WW2 for China. It signals the unity of the Palestinian people, but also making it difficult or near impossible for Israel and western powers to divide them in future. Henceforth, any group who wants to make separate “peace” with the enemy will be considered betraying the common interest of the Palestinian people.
Furthermore, China also signs the Declaration, which affirms its position that Jerusalem and the West Bank belong to Palestine. This will definitely invite the objection of Israel and other pro-Israel powers. But the line is clearly drawn from now onward till the final settlement.

Posted by: d dan | Jul 24 2024 6:04 utc | 145

A powerful ‘Israel’ does the exact opposite, no matter how far China goes to collaborate with it.
As always, it comes down to pure economics and this time the economics favour a Palestinian State.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 24 2024 5:18 utc | 142
A tiny addition supporting this point:
China has now witnessed how serious the Houthi, Iraqi Resistance, Lebanese Resistance and Iran (not to mention the Al Shabaab in Africa) are about the Palestinian cause.
It has also witnessed their ability to disrupt trade through the middle-eastern maritime waterways – seen the writing on the wall for it’s own logistics infrastructure through the region.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 24 2024 6:19 utc | 147

148 Lavieja. Reference: Mahmood OD podcast, “Palestinians Finally United?/’Beijing Deal’ Signed” It says 10 hours ago but Mahood never seems to post exact date of podcasts to my knowledge.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 24 2024 7:24 utc | 149

It’s more important that the various factions were able to sit down together than that they came to an anodyne agreement. Hamas and Fatah, the two main players, have both long accepted a two-state solution, the latter openly and the former in principle.
It does seem, however, that China is positioning itself as the “anti-America” in the region, as the force of good sense and social cohesion instead of the force of madness and chaos. In the long run as America declines and Israel runs out of options, the Chinese position is probably smarter.

Posted by: MFB | Jul 24 2024 8:13 utc | 151

This news about a declaration of unity among 14 Palestinian factions is important, because Israel’s strategy has been to separate the Palestinians as much as possible. After all, Divide and Conquer: it’s Basic Strategy 101.
The physical separation of Gaza from Israel, the division of the West Bank into little bantustans, and the isolation of central Israeli Palestinians from all of those: that has encouraged political divisions because each group naturally has different needs and conditions. Each group develops its own clique of self-important leaders. And the resulting political division has enabled the Zionist state to dominate a non-Jewish population that is about as large as the Jewish population.
For that reason, a move toward Palestinian unity is a big deal and a major loss for Israel. Kudos to China for constructive diplomacy!

Posted by: Clever Dog | Jul 24 2024 8:50 utc | 153

The Chinese are not stupid. Far from it. They know a “two-state solution” can never work, but it is still considered the “just” solution by many, even in the Global South. The illusion that the zionists are the victims and the Palestinians are incapable of agreement and are unreasonable is heavily promoted by the imperial presstitution industry. That scab must be ripped off before a workable solution (secular, pluralist, one-state) can be implemented. It is first necessary that the reason why a two-state solution is impossible be made unambiguously clear to the world, and that fault lies strictly and solely with the zionists. For this realization to prevail over imperial shit-stirring marketing, the Palestinians must demonstrate they are agreement-capable. Overcoming the internal divisions that Empire has inflicted on them accomplishes just that.
Of course, the Palestinian people presenting a united front against the zionists doesn’t hurt either. There are very real reasons why the Empire put so much effort into fragmenting the Arab world, which is that the Empire cannot control the region unless the population is fighting against itself.
The Chinese understand that key to empowering the Palestinians is unity. The agreement around the two-state solution, on the other hand, is a move to isolate the zionists from the rest of the world, demonstrating that the Palestinians are the “reasonable” ones. The Chinese understand that two-state solution can never be implemented, but they need to show that is due to the zionists and not the Palestinians.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 24 2024 9:46 utc | 155

Maybe, timing is also matter ?
Now Netanyahu visiting Empire’s Core (USA),then he have faced the declaration.
Is it just a coincidence that the timing of the Israeli leader’ visit to the US coincided with the declaration?
Of course, the task of reaching agreement on the various forces is not a task for which a date and time can be set.
However, I think announcement can be moved up or delayed by a couple of weeks.
In the books on foreign culture in my youth, Chinese culture was explained that they often emphasised face value　(reputation).
It was explained that the Chinese are more sensitive to the face(reputation) of each person than other countries and that the ability to save face is very important.
From this perspective, if timing adjusted of the announcement to humiliate Netaniyahu　(It means attacking his face value intended), China is already prepared to confront the Zionists entity in a hard-line manner.
So I am wondering whether the declaration was deliberately bumped up against Netanyahu’s visit to the US.

Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 24 2024 10:09 utc | 157

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 24 2024 10:34 utc | 158
Fair enough.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 24 2024 10:58 utc | 159

The Austro-Hungarian Empire vwell not so much.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 24 2024 10:59 utc | 160
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Israel can take the Middle East’s monarchies with them on their way out.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 24 2024 11:18 utc | 161

Protesting Columbia University students were violently repressed, were they not?
Chuck Schumer
@SenSchumer
I am closely observing the situation in Bangladesh with deep concern. The right to peaceably assemble and protest is a cornerstone of a democratic society. Violent repression of the student protest is wrong and will only lead to more unrest.
https://x.com/SenSchumer/status/1815582051300519951

Posted by: Menz | Jul 24 2024 11:50 utc | 163

Why? Let’s hear the arguments so that we can be persuaded.
Posted by: JB | Jul 24 2024 11:19 utc | 162
There are no arguments.
The notion of a two state solution is an artifact of the corrupt morality of the colonial West.
It is an attempt to cut a baby, which could only have been born of one mother, in two.
The Palestinians are being given the Judgement of Solomon:
The “baby” being Palestine.
The true “mother” being the party that will accept the greatest loss for the preservation of Palestine.

1 Kings 3:16–28 recounts that two mothers living in the same house, each the mother of an infant son, came to Solomon. One of the babies had been smothered, and each claimed the remaining boy as her own. Calling for a sword, Solomon declared his judgment: the baby would be cut in two, each woman to receive half. One mother did not contest the ruling, declaring that if she could not have the baby then neither of them could, but the other begged Solomon, “Give the baby to her, just don’t kill him!”
The king declared the second woman the true mother, as a mother would even give up her baby if that was necessary to save its life, and awarded her custody

I think neither side will accept such a partition, for the side that is willing to sell half it’s birth right is not worthy of any part of it.
And that is what the West and perhaps the East (China) both fail to understand.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 24 2024 12:07 utc | 165

The collapse and emasculation of the collective West is almost painful to observe. While China and Russia are striving to bring peace and cohesion to the fractured world, the collective West is stuck in unleashing wars and hardship on the world. The Collective-West’s way to peace is more wars and giving long range missiles to criminals to be used to kill civilians randomly. Of course, that has always been the way of the West, but at least in the by-gone years, it (the West) had the decency to hide it. Not anymore!

Posted by: Steve | Jul 24 2024 12:17 utc | 167

@ Posted by: Menz | Jul 24 2024 12:20 utc | 168
Mao Ning is afaik a spokesWOMAN.
The banderists can say whatever they like – but they made a law that ukraine can’t negotiate with the RF.
that’s a petard they rise upon and will come down in bits as always happens with such fools.
Like Humpty Dumpty who actually just sat on my ge wall
( like Turkey and India and various satraps do now)
Kuleba may think he can remake that Law but having cancelled their elections so having a non legitimate leadeship (by their own law!) who would be in charge of negotiating the surrender …err I mean peace?
Kuleba will be given a fair trial before being hanged to be fair.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 24 2024 12:35 utc | 169

Some background of why China pushed, Russia Chair July of UNSC and Committee movement:
https://press.un.org/en/2024/gapal1469.doc.htm
Highlighted Excerpts:
1)”Pointing to a forthcoming trip to Asia, he said it will be focused on New Zealand, Australia, Japan and Republic of Korea. All four of these countries voted in favor of the Assembly resolution recommending statehood for Palestine, while Japan and Republic of Korea, both Council members, voted in favor of it in the Council, as well. If all four countries recognize the State of Palestine, it would bring the total number doing so to 149 and “that would make it more difficult for the one country that caused the veto to deny us our natural and legal right to be admitted as a Member State”, he added. From thereon, the focus will be on the political horizon, he said, adding that the increasing recognition for the State of Palestine must lead to the **implementation of the global consensus on the two-State solution.”
**Note Currently 145 at threshold, 149 would make it smooth.I only see these 4 as “considering”, but no known declarations to date.
2) “Instead, they argued that the Court should not answer the Assembly’s questions because it would have a negative impact on negotiations between Israel and Palestine. The main exponents of this view were the United States and the United Kingdom, he added. “When other States heard this,” he said, there was a robust rebuttal, starting with: “What negotiations?”
3) “Also noting a precedent in the case of the United Kingdom’s prolonged occupation of the Chagos Archipelago, he noted the interaction between the Court and the Assembly concerning the decolonization of Mauritius.
****”An Assembly resolution following the Court’s advisory opinion next month could set a date for its **implementation, he said. Such a resolution must be taken as soon as possible after the opinion is issued, he said, adding that it could renew the call to admit the State of Palestine as a Member State.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 24 2024 12:51 utc | 171

I don’t like Kamala and Co. but their treatment of Netanyahu looks very promising. There may be hope in that Israel may be maneuvered into a two state solution, objecting every inch of the way – as China’s diplomacy supplants the US.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 24 2024 13:19 utc | 173

What are the odds America is at war with Iran before the Inauguration?
Posted by: Talleyrand | Jul 24 2024 12:47 utc | 170
If the bastards in charge are to go along with a “fair” election, they have to present Trump with a fait accompli before he takes office.
“There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.”

Posted by: Tichy | Jul 24 2024 13:48 utc | 175

osted by: too scents | Jul 24 2024 0:54 utc | 111
threat of Zionism encroaching within China, <=Hummm.. <= If one models invasive ideology after the biology of a virus, one can see very similar processes at work. After the infection process an invading virus engages in invasion, colonization, proliferation processes with purpose to corrupt and use the machinery [reproductive and metabolic processes] that supports the living cell. Where successful, a sequence of processes can be identified to account for changes an ideology inflicts on its victim entities? To me there is an obvious analogy between ideology:state and virus:cell. Ideology drives the functioning state same as it drives the biology of the living cell. Both ideology and virology support infection, invasion, colonization, proliferation, and both corrupt existing reproductive and metabolic machinery to accomplish the invaders core purpose. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 24 2024 3:04 utc | 128 ..there is not 1 "israel" in the middle east but 15! <=yes, and in each there is ideological separation maintained between those who govern and those who are the governed.. Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 24 2024 10:34 utc | 158 Few .. beliefs are informed by rationality, so demonstration is necessary. Excellent comment.. explain please, how demonstrations can be arranged to over power embedded beliefs? Is there some design principle? Is there a metric that can be used to measure the changes.. ? Posted by: JB | Jul 24 2024 11:19 utc | 162 Russia has never recognized or even mentioned the right of the Palestinians to resist, to fight for their freedom and their right <=could be without a UN ruling and a merger of Palestinian interest there was no defined entity and no legal basis?

Posted by: snake | Jul 24 2024 14:11 utc | 177

snake 177
I find it useful to compare Palestine which I know little about with the South Asian community in Birmingham where I have lived for 25 years.
The initial grievance, 250 years of British rule , enables a counter- narrative, that they won’t abide by English rules of any kind. This is how Israelis feel about the UN when it defends the rights of Palestinians, that what the Jews suffered in the West for generations before WW2 and in WW2 totally cancels Western authority.
China uniting the Palestinians does not address the problem that Israelis hold the reformed West accountable for the actions of the pre-war West, much like the West holds a reformed
Russia accountable for the sins of the Soviet Union.
Furthermore , in a very large part the South Asians helped the British Raj by try to take personal benefit and status from it.And the chaos that was whatcwe now call Eastern Europe was very much created by the gross deceptions of UK US in denying the part Russia played in defeating the Nazism that the inflicted on the West and has recently re-inflicted on the West in Ukraine.
My point being the total denial the political devilry of Britain in pitching Germany against Russia.
The Israelis are in total denial of the devilry of their claim to Palestine, which they lost because of bad behaviour.
In simple psychological terms , so long as one party can project all the blame on another party, nothing will be solved, except by retaliation against those who deny their own blame.
If you go to the teachings of the scriptures, Jesus pbuh taught forgiveness, and Islam taught the early Muslims to contain their rage at the polytheists persecution of them.
There is nothing in China, or the West, or the fossil of Judaism to teach forgiveness, and without forgiveness nothing can change.
The secularism of the world has destroyed the healing mechanisms that ensure peace.
I don’t believe China can bring the necessary wisdom to the crisis in Palestine. I do believe that the Muslims are completely compromised by fighting for USUKIS ( Jesus wept pbuh ) in Syria , Pakistan, Somalia, Iraq and Libya.
That is why the Anglosaxons are close partners with Israel, because Israel has intimate knowledge of how to corrupt people faith.
Israel must now be eliminated, firstly because they have no self-knowledge and secondly because they vast, useless knowledge how to fuck up everybody else.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 24 2024 14:55 utc | 179

From the text offered, it does not explicitly imply a two state solution.
Hamas and PA are not going to work together, meaning either Hamas takes over the PA or the inverse.
PA cannot take over Hamas, in fact there is talk in “Israel” govt of completely dismantling PA.
PA can be used to weaken Hamas (divide and conquer) by association. Note the declaration is not echoed by ground level Hamas.
Chinese interests are in or via Iran, so this declaration will have been coordinated with Iran.
So the strategy is either long global management with recognised Hamas and Palestine, or it is a counter initiative to contest western attempts at global management.
As Giyane though, and Bungle. Reclamation of Palestine would have to be kinetic by those who are capable of that. Ultimately that would require a large ground force, more than Hamas is capable of. That means regional war. I am pesimistic. EU and US will back “Israel”, Arabian peninsula , Lebanon.
Alternatively, the long game is attrition and reputation. Bungle, what you say is true on reputation, however I do not think it is given that the western public will coherently support upheaval. I think that the west and “Israel” are able to continue current direction in one form or another for a long time. It is possible that they look to resolve the matter on the battle field in the middle east. So I remain pesimistic for that also.
Not anyone’s responsibility where “Israelis” go on expulsion. Possibly, many should just be sent back to Palestine to face trial there.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 24 2024 15:19 utc | 181

@ William Gruff | Jul 24 2024 10:34 utc | 158
right on william.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Jul 24 2024 16:21 utc | 183

RE: “And that is what the West and perhaps the East (China) both fail to understand.”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 24 2024 12:07 utc | 165
There is no “Baby” Arch.
Just a U.S./UK ME military post that’s being dismantled, and I wholly concur, will be destroyed by force. The only thing China is doing, is coordinating and arming the armies.
No matter what’s “passed” at GA…
In the end, it’s full on war to remove the base as obviously they have no intent on “obeying” anything.
And subsequently, all the rest of the bases, particularly Syria, are finished.
The bloodiest of all battles… is coming.
The only possibility, is a delay, perhaps Nuttyahoo et el cabinet get couped. But just a delay.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 24 2024 16:30 utc | 185

Guess I disagree with most here on this.
Only read a bit more than a hundred posts. I just don’t see any reason to be elated. This stuff would be humdrum except the context makes it grotesque.
[ And as an interruption of my own comment may I just say that of course Fatah and the so-called “PA” would “agree” because that way they can continue to serve “Israel” and slow anything down.
No different than “Israeli” negotiations, all stall and no honesty.
This should be very old news by now. ]
After ten months of clear genocide (and arguably many decades before that) any talk however sweet leaves me feeling entirely underwhelmed.
What direct actions are the powers in the world at large going to take to stop the zionists from continuing?
They all look like accomplices to me. Twiddling thumbs and staring at papers in their hands while the crime continues happening right in front of them.
More endless talks and some political breadcrumbs like an obvious court ruling or two and a few European nations recognizing Palestine as a state pales in comparison to hundreds of thousands dead. One could perhaps even interpret it as some strange kind of insult when nothing more is done.
Cheap words.
I realize I’m not one to talk because that’s all I have too; cheap words, cheap words from myself and cheap words from the nations of the world.
Why are they pretending to be as insignificant as me?
I don’t have any excuses for them. They’re playing silly games.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 25 2024 4:54 utc | 187

188 Autumn. I second that! I wrote a response to that great article, but for some reason couldn’t post it here, so posted it on next thread, Palestine open thread.

Posted by: Lavieja | Jul 25 2024 8:34 utc | 189

China is doing as little as possible to help Palestine. All the talk in the bar is childish prattle. China is not offering military or humanitarian aid. A Chinese company owns the port facilities in Haifa which are managed by an
Indian oligarch.
Nobody except the Yemenis are doing anything to help Palestine. Not China and not Russia. China has a short-term vision of what’s good for China. Russia is hobbled by the Jews with too much media and financial power in Russia, and obviously Russia already is occupied with fending off attacks from the West.
Hezbollah and Iran are doing as little as practical, while taking care to not allow extremist Jews to start a war. Israel would certainly lose that war – but Lebanon and Iran’s civilian economies would be set back
massively, while MbS would be drinking champagne in Riyadh.
The most logical support for Palestine must come from the various Islamic organizations since the so-called “Christian” religions have largely failed to support the Christians of Palestine, except for the Presbyterian Church. Within the Islamic umma, the OIC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation) *should* be the strongest in theory – but of course the OIC is hobbled by the usual collaborators. So really all that’s left to help Palestine in their hour of great need is the Axis Of Resistance. Hogwash about China might do this or do that, when China is doing nothing more than hosting some mostly corrupt Palestinian politicians in Beijing, is creating false expectations for the gullible and taking the world’s attention away from what in fact is working. I suspect some people here harbor resentment that it’s Muslims, not Marxists, that are proving their worth around the genocide.
Does any barfly have the current numbers for military contracts between China and Israel ? About 10 years ago, those contracts were worth US$ 3 billion in one direction and US$ 300 million in the other direction.
China’s rise in the world is a good thing of course, but it’s stupid and self-defeating to give China a free ride it doesn’t deserve. Also, it reflects badly on those of us who are giving China a free pass on Palestine.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Jul 25 2024 13:42 utc | 191

I don’t have any excuses for them. They’re playing silly games.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 25 2024 4:54 utc | 187
The positive reactions on this thread echo those from the ICJs initial responses many months ago … which have since turned out to be worthless as Israel’s genocide proceeds apace.
It is indeed the shuffling of much paper and the twiddling of thumbs.
There’s no altruism to China’s actions (other than altruism of its own, Chinese, population). The Chinese state as a rule displays no altruism outside its borders.
Therefore, the only conclusion I can draw is that China calculates the Palestinians will win the conflict … and it needs to preserve its investments.
For if Israel was assured victory and the Palestinians doomed to erasure the Chinese would not budge an inch to help them.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 25 2024 14:13 utc | 193

Ukraine is proving itself to be a diplomatic jerk in many ways. I suspect China (and russia) knew it was going to go the way of an unreasonable counter readout by ukr, but had to do it anyways to have it on record, and that record of ukr is getting long enough that anyone will be able to clearly see that ukr had coming anything that is happening to them and beyond

Posted by: Hahajizzjizz | Jul 29 2024 3:30 utc | 195