China Brokers Unity In Palestine

July 23, 2024

This is an interesting development:

Palestinian factions agree to end division in pact brokered by China – SCMP

Rival Palestinian factions including Fatah and Hamas have signed an agreement aimed at ending their division and building unity following talks in Beijing, marking a diplomatic win for China.

Over the years Fatah and Hamas had already signed several agreements to build some unity government. All however have failed.

What gives hope is that this agreement might be sustained is the participation of all other Palestinian groups as well as the significance of China as the guarantee power behind this:

Senior representatives of 14 Palestinian factions reached the agreement – called the Beijing Declaration – after reconciliation talks that began on Sunday.

The pact aims to unite Palestinians in their conflict with Israel, which launched a war on militant group Hamas in Gaza in October.

The Chinese foreign ministry said the agreement was a first step to promote a “comprehensive, durable and sustainable ceasefire” in the Gaza Strip that would eventually lead to Palestine being admitted to the United Nations as a fully fledged member and becoming an independent state.

“The declaration reaffirms [the] commitment to establishing an independent state of Palestine with Jerusalem as the capital city based on relevant UN resolutions and ensuring the integrity of Palestinian territory including the West Bank, Jerusalem and Gaza,” ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning said.

This implies that Hamas, as well as all other groups, have agreed to a two-state solution – the aim the United Nations has agreed upon. (Just last week the current Israeli parliament rejected such a solution.)

Also important is the envisioning of a unity government for Gaza:

Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Tuesday said the signing of the agreement was “an important, historic moment in the Palestinian cause”.

He said that under the deal the rival groups had agreed to set up an “interim national reconciliation government” to govern post-war Gaza.

The west will of course at first reject the whole process and result because it had no part in creating it.

But last year's agreement between Saudi Arabia and Iran, also brokered by China, has held far beyond the low expectations put into it.

The Palestinian agreement may, via the UN, give a new impetus towards a ceasefire and a new situation in Gaza that is mostly free of Israeli interference.

I trust that China can sustain the global soft-power necessary to lead this development towards success.

Posted by b on July 23, 2024 at 15:34 UTC | Permalink

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Over the years Fatah and Hamas had already signed several agreements to build some unity government. All however have failed.

Beijing is not Doha.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 23 2024 15:45 utc | 1

B, may God bless us and continue to bless us!

Posted by: Elber | Jul 23 2024 15:47 utc | 2

thanks b, but what if anything has china got from israel? if israel is determined to exterminate all of those still living in it’s open air prison – gaza and etc. etc. – what is china willing to do about it? so long as the usa maintains its ”unconditional” support for israel – nothing is going to change here.. well, maybe something will change, but i can’t see it with this.. maybe its a baby step but usa-israel will be looking to kill the baby..

Posted by: james | Jul 23 2024 15:48 utc | 3

Great news.
It seems to me that it is during times of stress and hardship that the greatest accomplishments are made.
(Not sure what all the deceased would say about that theory).

Posted by: jared | Jul 23 2024 15:54 utc | 4

While China has hosted multiple Palestine representatives in a bid to establish a framework for a workable national unity government, the U.S., Israel, and UAE have been in discussions on their own framework for post-war order in Gaza, which relies on a “reformed“ Palestinian authority ruling in Gaza, backed by the militaries of the Gulf states coordinated with Israel.
Based on statements from US officials, the violence in the occupied territories will proceed until the international community signs on to whatever “day after” plan is concocted by a US-Israel-Gulf States triumvirate. Any plan sponsored or brokered by China will be rejected automatically by this group. Apparently, much of the “normalization” process between Saudi Arabia and Israel, brokered by US, requires specific rejection by SA of any and all Chinese initiatives for economic development and regional harmony.

Posted by: jayc | Jul 23 2024 16:03 utc | 5

Thank you, b. I will only speak for myself, but I am sure everyone here is glad to see that you’re
back in the saddle again!
I wish China and the Palestinians good luck.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 23 2024 16:03 utc | 6

Israel’s position on borders was determined by UNSC 242 on November 22, 1967. Israel supported the resolution because it called on the Arab states to accept Israel’s right “to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.” Israel’s recognized boundaries are the ‘Mandatory Palestine’ borders from the past. Palestine was not mentioned in 242.
On March 25, 2019, the United States officially recognized the Golan Heights (in Syria) as being under the sovereignty of Israel.
UNSC 242 on November 22, 1967 here . .”Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need for a lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 23 2024 16:03 utc | 7

Thanks for the posting b
The world is changing before our eyes.
Thankfully in positive ways, or at least ways in which a positive outcome is possible.
We are coming to the end of history written by the Might-Makes-Right patriarchs of our species and evolving into a leveling of the Western class structure of society.
I will wait patiently now for the smack down of empire to stop their jackboot ways. I weep for the lives lost to this process and trust that they are not lost in vain.
Can empire look any more naked than now?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 23 2024 16:06 utc | 8

Finally, someone came to the aid of the Palestinians! During the Soviet period, Palestine had the support of the USSR.
The carnage of today would never have happened in those times!
China comes and “imposes” an essential condition: “You have to unite! If you don’t help yourselves, who from outside will help you?”

Posted by: Elber | Jul 23 2024 16:07 utc | 9

If nothing else, this has formally arrayed China against Israel.
On the surface, the BRICs contingent seems very focused on peace and diplomacy, two things that are antithetical to the Zionist and Imperialist ways of thinking.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 23 2024 16:08 utc | 10

While the agreement is a positive development, its implementation and effects are uncertain at this point.
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a major resistance force along with Hamas, has rejected any mention of international resolutions and legitimation of Israel, hence the two-state formula. It has requested that the PA retract its recognition of Israel.
Also, after a similar, but less successful meeting in Moscow, Fatah continued its hostility towards Hamas, and the PA did not, and has not in any way abandoned its Israel/US linked actions and schemes.
It remains to be seen what has changed, and will change after the Beijing meeting.
Abu Marzouk: Signing the Beijing Declaration a historic moment that requires serious commitment
https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/07/23/322548/

Posted by: JB | Jul 23 2024 16:13 utc | 11

As you say, this is further along in the line of “last year’s agreement between Saudi Arabia and Iran, also brokered by China.” Although that was shortly before the October 7th event, there is a basic switch in the Middle East, leaving the Israeli/American model, which was defined by the Sunni/Shi’a conflict, which only aided Israel, back towards seeing the common interests of ME countries as opposed to the Israeli threat. This is a Middle East-wide tendency, only brokered by China, which is only serving the good offices of a mediator. In the end October 7th completely overturned the previous disposition. Israel is now the threat, the principal threat, and everyone has to get together to face it. Current Israeli moves have only confirmed it.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 23 2024 16:13 utc | 12

If China can lead the way in reconstructing Gaza then it’ll be the sign of the world order changing and hopefully the beginning of a new era. They have the resources to do so easily.
The USA and it’s vassals have no credibility left at all.

Posted by: SB | Jul 23 2024 16:14 utc | 13

@ LoveDonbass | Jul 23 2024 16:08 utc | 10
re: If nothing else, this has formally arrayed China against Israel.
Which the US is quite satisfied with, hating China and loving Israel.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 23 2024 16:16 utc | 14

This is an indictment of the many “rulers” on the Arabian Peninsula. That China can reach from such a great distance, and with such an aversion to Islam, and broker this agreement really tells us all that we need to know about the various “leaders” of the Arab League.
The irony is that the leaders in the Arab world aren’t even Arab. It’s the Persians in Iran.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 23 2024 16:17 utc | 15

Zionist Natanyahoo will ask his lackeys in the US to declare war against China after this high-level diplomacy by China. Hope not but that looks certain if this agreement goes ahead.

Posted by: AI | Jul 23 2024 16:21 utc | 16

The long anticipated rupture between China and the West looks imminent and Beijing seems to be ready for it.

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Jul 23 2024 16:22 utc | 17

A large group of Chinese warships off the coast of Palestine might help?

Posted by: Dave Pollard | Jul 23 2024 16:30 utc | 18

lex talionis | Jul 23 2024 16:03 utc | 6
Ole Gene is pretty good but this one is better https://youtu.be/rO77L-6PvqA
I do hope his recovery will be complete and swift

Posted by: dan of steele | Jul 23 2024 16:36 utc | 19

Posted by: james | Jul 23 2024 15:48 utc | 3
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James, a house divided cannot stand (Mark, 3:25). The Chinese are smart enough to recognize this simple truth, and Israel does too. That is why they helped to create Hamas to split loyalty among the PLO.
This is a very big deal for the Palestinians and Israel.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 23 2024 16:43 utc | 20

If nothing else, this has formally arrayed China against Israel.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 23 2024 16:08 utc | 10
yeah. so I am afraid a bit.
I am glad to the Chinese Government for its decision though.
But at the same time, I feel that China has finally stepped into ‘dangerous territory’.
In a old book I read about the neo-cons ago, it was explained that during the time of Bush’s father, were discussing the overthrow of the Syrian government, and that one of the reasons the Syrian government had to be destroyed was because it was an obstacle to Israel.
It seems “obstacle to Israel” is enough reason for them to plotting destroy foreign country.
And there is constant warfare in Syria, the US is strongly affected.
The neocons and Zionists, as far as I understand, are a species that can use the outbreak of regional conflict as a ‘way’ without any hesitation.
China appears to be gradually coming forward as a priority target to ‘a species that has no hesitation in creating war in the region to realise its ambitions’.
This will increase the pressure on China to use all of its influence to generate war in the region around it, such as in the Taiwan contingency and the clashes in the waters around the Philippines.
The communists have no god to pray to, but I hope some blessing comes to China anyway.

Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 23 2024 16:57 utc | 21

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/117115

Forwarded from China and Geopolitics with Danny Haiphong
🚨BREAKING: 🇵🇸🇨🇳China reconciliation talks between Fatah, Hamas, Palestinian factions sign reconciliation agreement.
The national factions agreed during their meetings in China to achieve comprehensive Palestinian national unity, including all Palestinian forces and factions within the framework of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). They committed to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, in accordance with United Nations resolutions, and ensuring the right of return in accordance with Resolution 194.
The participants also agreed on the Palestinian people’s right to resist occupation and end it according to international laws and the United Nations Charter. They decided to form a temporary national unity government with the consensus of the Palestinian factions by decree of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas based on the Palestinian Basic Law. This government will begin by unifying all Palestinian institutions in the territories of the Palestinian state, initiating the reconstruction of the Gaza Strip, and preparing for general elections under the supervision of the Central Elections Commission as soon as possible, according to the approved election law.
The Palestinian factions meeting in Beijing are:
– Palestinian National Liberation Movement (Fatah)
– Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas)
– Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
– Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
– Palestinian Islamic Jihad Movement
– Palestinian People’s Party
– Palestinian Popular Struggle Front
– Palestinian National Initiative Movement
– Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command
– Palestinian Democratic Union (FIDA)
– Palestinian Liberation Front
– Arab Liberation Front
– Arab Palestinian Front
– Vanguards of the Popular Liberation War (As-Sa’iqa Forces)
The attendees agreed on the following points:
1. Unifying national efforts to confront Zionist aggression and stop the genocide perpetrated by the occupying state and settler gangs supported by the United States of America. They also agreed to resist attempts to displace our people from their homeland, Palestine, and to force the Zionist entity to end its occupation of the Gaza Strip and all other occupied territories, while maintaining the unity of Palestinian lands, including the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.
2. The Palestinian factions welcome the opinion of the International Court of Justice, which affirmed the illegitimacy of the Israeli presence, occupation, and settlements on the land of the State of Palestine and emphasized the need for their removal as soon as possible.
3. Based on the National Reconciliation Agreement signed in Cairo on 4/5/2011 and the Algiers Declaration signed on 12/10/2022, the factions agreed to continue following up on the implementation of agreements to end the division with the assistance of Egypt, Algeria, and friends in the People’s Republic of China and the Russian Federation as follows:
a) Commitment to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, in accordance with relevant United Nations resolutions, particularly Resolutions 181 and 2334, and ensuring the right of return in accordance with Resolution 194.
b) The right of the Palestinian people to resist occupation and end it in accordance with international laws and the United Nations Charter, and the right of peoples to self-determination and their struggle to achieve it by all available means.
From Firas Palestine

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 23 2024 16:59 utc | 22

Posted by: Ed | Jul 23 2024 16:43 utc | 20
#############
Did you just cite the Bible?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 23 2024 17:01 utc | 23

It remains to be seen what has changed, and will change after the Beijing meeting.
Posted by: JB | Jul 23 2024 16:13 utc | 11
Nothing, it’s right there in the quote: “rival groups had agreed to set up an “interim national reconciliation government” to govern post-war Gaza.”
Post-war time and how many will remain alive is something only Bibiden decides. Again China does nothing useful in politics, useless like their Ukr plan. This is no different than nato telling Ukr they will be in nato “for sure”, but first they have to kill all Russians. In this case, everyone must agree to surrender at the same time, then “it’ll be fine, you’ll see”.

Posted by: rk | Jul 23 2024 17:03 utc | 24

China could place sanctions upon Israel, which it is legally allowed to do given the multiple ICC, ICJ and UN rulings and Israel’s multi-decade refusal to comply with UN votes. This would send a very large message, how could any Muslim country then trade with Israel? Imagine if Russia followed suit?

Posted by: Roger | Jul 23 2024 17:10 utc | 25

My (hazy) recollection is that in approximately 2006 an election was conducted in Gaza and the Gazans elected Hamas as the legitimate government of Gaza.
Jewrael almost immediately arrested some, if not all, of the members of the new Gaza government, threw them in the slammer in Jewrael, and declared Hamas a ter’rist organisation.
Part of my hazy recollection is that the Hamas reps were supposed to represent Gaza in the Knesset.
Anyway, it’s going to be ‘interesting’ to see who meets and greets Bibi in Washington now that Biden has been sidelined. And even more ‘interesting’ to hear what Bibi says to the Jew$lave$ in the thoroughly jewed-up Congress.
And, regardless of how his Washington trip pans out, he’ll be stumbling into a very very angry hostage shit storm when he gets back to Jewrael.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 23 2024 17:11 utc | 26

Since Palestinian divisions suit the agendas of Israel and the United States, Tel Aviv and Washington have been trying to distort Beijing’s good intentions and undermine and obstruct its efforts to promote Palestinian reconciliation. Doing so leaves them at odds with the conscience of the world. China stands firmly on the side of peace and justice and it will continue to do what it can to promote the settlement of the Palestinian issue.
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202407/23/WS669f8dafa31095c51c50f813.html

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 23 2024 17:14 utc | 27

The Gaza Bombshell

After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/04/gaza200804
Is Trump echoing Bush?

In recent months, President Bush has repeatedly stated that the last great ambition of his presidency is to broker a deal that would create a viable Palestinian state and bring peace to the Holy Land. “People say, ‘Do you think it’s possible, during your presidency?’ ” he told an audience in Jerusalem on January 9. “And the answer is: I’m very hopeful.”

Nice words, Bushy; but here is the reality:

Vanity Fair has obtained confidential documents, since corroborated by sources in the U.S. and Palestine, which lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, to provoke a Palestinian civil war. The plan was for forces led by Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at America’s behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically elected Hamas-led government from power. (The State Department declined to comment.)
But the secret plan backfired, resulting in a further setback for American foreign policy under Bush. Instead of driving its enemies out of power, the U.S.-backed Fatah fighters inadvertently provoked Hamas to seize total control of Gaza.

Within the Bush administration, the Palestinian policy set off a furious debate. One of its critics is David Wurmser, the avowed neoconservative, who resigned as Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief Middle East adviser in July 2007, a month after the Gaza coup.
Wurmser accuses the Bush administration of “engaging in a dirty war in an effort to provide a corrupt dictatorship [led by Abbas] with victory.” He believes that Hamas had no intention of taking Gaza until Fatah forced its hand. “It looks to me that what happened wasn’t so much a coup by Hamas but an attempted coup by Fatah that was pre-empted before it could happen,” Wurmser says.
The botched plan has rendered the dream of Middle East peace more remote than ever, but what really galls neocons such as Wurmser is the hypocrisy it exposed. “There is a stunning disconnect between the president’s call for Middle East democracy and this policy,” he says. “It directly contradicts it.”

Posted by: librul | Jul 23 2024 17:25 utc | 28

It was jolly decent of China to persuade the Palestinians to accept that Unity Is Strength and to show them a path toward Freedom from oppression by the psychopaths in charge of the Shitty Little Fake Country.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 23 2024 17:27 utc | 29

anon2020 | Jul 23 2024 16:59 utc | 22–
Thanks for providing that readout. I’ll remind barflies that Russia obtained a similar agreement about six weeks ago that was oral instead of written which was prominently mentioned by Lavrov during his remarks about the Palestinian Crisis at the UNSC last week. Plus, I’ll note the intensity of Russian Minister Bogdanov’s interactions with all regional players over the last week, including the weekend. However, as I wrote at the end of “Lavrov’s Geopolitical Review for the Heads of Russian Non-Profits & NGOs”:
“I agree with his formulation that the UN isn’t working as designed because too many nations are violating the UN Charter instead of working together to uphold and enforce International Law. In other words, there’re more UN Charter violators than the USA, all of them being outlaws, while some also remain empires controlling other peoples in colonial fashion. And regarding the UN, its undergoing a rather longstanding problem that’s now a very serious crisis—the inability to enforce UNSC Resolutions on Palestine primarily because of two impediments: the Outlaw US Empire and its Zionist allies. The greater mass of the Global Majority agrees on what the solution ought to be but have so far failed to force its implementation. I know Lavrov didn’t mention this crisis, but the other two superpowers need to face the reality of their responsibilities and force the issue; otherwise, global security will forever remain a pipe dream.” [Emphasis original]
I didn’t emphasize my final sentence, although it merits that treatment. IMO, the above argument is rock solid as is its conclusion. Force will need to be applied to obtain peace as the Zionists and their one ally only obey that formula. Crooke asks again and again for the world to look reality in the eye and not try to substitute wishful thinking in its place. Lavrov’s UNSC presentation was very powerful but lacked noting the need for physical enforcement of UNSC and UNGA Resolutions as the only genuine means to make those Resolutions reality. The reality is the Arc of Resistance lacks the military power to affect that reality, although it can and will cause the Zionists great pain, but that pain alone isn’t sufficient.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 23 2024 17:28 utc | 30

/cheep
Harmony is its own warrior against Factionalism, Diplomacy its own warrior against Fanaticism. When you fight ideas be sure to bring the right fighters. Overdue, and its good example should be replicated throughout the world, especially the lost parts of it (that’s a big hint).
Also, I fully expect, just like Russia set up Saudi Arabia and Iran for detente and let China take the glory, similarly Russia (and possibly Iran) set this up over the recent months and likewise passed the ball for China to score. Coordination & Cooperation is a hallmark of Harmony’s fighting style. The greater immortal powers fight once again, using mortal civilizations as moral pageant…
Are we learning yet? 😉 Who are we really fighting? Qui bono? Do you understand yourself, and your enemy, and the pawns of your enemy? Who do you serve? 🙂
/hops up to a crumb and eats it
/cheep cheep
/flies to a window sill

Posted by: titmouse | Jul 23 2024 17:28 utc | 31

This implies that Hamas, as well as all other groups, have agreed to a two-state solution – the aim the United Nations has agreed upon.

That means Occupied Palestine must return occupied areas on the West Bank and elsewhere (Gaza).

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 23 2024 17:29 utc | 32

Re: UNSC 242
Does not define any borders between the 2 states, because the language in 242 is clear that the parties return to the internationally recognized boundries which are the UNR 181 borders. The 181 borders are also the only borders that Israel has formally accepted. Everything else is a ceasefire line.

Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 17:29 utc | 33

This makes me cry. Thank you, Beijing, and thank you all Palestinians! This morning I awoke feeling our long nstional nightmare (US) might soon be over — and now I really do believe the world’s very long nightmare is at least receding.
Thank you, b. Blessed are the feet that come bearing good news! This is the best in a long, long time. If anyone can do this, China csn. (Sorry, I have my little finger taped up, gsve it a wrench so three-fingered typing for s bit 😉 My canary is singing and Rachmaninoff is pouring forth one of his golden symphonic works, the second Symphony. He’s my favorite, pulls out all the stops
Let’s just pause and enjoy this!!

Posted by: juliania | Jul 23 2024 17:31 utc | 34

I don’t think one should over-exaggerate the importance and role of China here. This is an internal Middle Eastern development, facilitated by China but that’s all. It’s the inevitable way things are going post October 7th.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 23 2024 17:35 utc | 35

As long as none of these ‘agreements’ require the armed Palestinian Resistance factions to lay down their arms.
Because if it does, then you know the fix is in …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 17:36 utc | 36

@ Nokaz | Jul 23 2024 16:57 utc | 21
excellent comment including: “China has finally stepped into ‘dangerous territory’.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 23 2024 17:37 utc | 37

a) Commitment to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, in accordance with relevant United Nations resolutions, particularly Resolutions 181 and 2334, and ensuring the right of return in accordance with Resolution 194.

Huge amount to unpack in this paragraph. But firstly, this means the very generous standing Palestinian offer of a lasting peace based on the pre-1967 boundries is off the table. They are demanding the 1947 borders as per UNR 181. Secondly – mentioning UNR 194 and UNSC 2334 means reparations are front and center.
It’s a reasonable guess that these rather forcefull demands are a result of 1) defeating the IDF and 2) the ICJ Advisory Opinion from last Friday.

Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 17:38 utc | 38

This talk about a two-state solution…
Remind me; why do the colonists get one?
Here is their application:
Those that would make it illegal to protest against Genocide
support the Psychopathic Genocidal Entity that has given voice to
the urge to kill us all (Samson Option).
Here is why they and it thinks it should exist:
1) I torture UN workers
2) I bomb embassies
3) I refuse to declare my official borders as I want more and more of other countries’ (plural) land
4) I openly interfere in the affairs of other countries.
5) All criticism by any member of the World Community just reinforces my sense of privileged Victimhood
6) I never tell a lie as I have no concept. I only know what serves me.
7) I invented the Samson Option and will take the rest of you with me.
8) I commit collective punishment
9) I kidnap thousands, including children, with no judicial oversight
10) I will commit torture if I see fit and even if I don’t
11) I oppress occupied inhabitants and enjoy doing so
12) I commit rape with impunity against mine enemies
13) I steal land with impunity
14) I murder with impunity
15) I commit premeditated Genocide
16) I look forward to war and prod my neighbors for more
17) I need money, send a check
18) I commit false flags and if friends or even my own people are sacrificed so be it.
19) I implement the Hannibal Doctrine
20) Treachery and betrayal of my own people are a means to an end
21) I support and conduct terrorism.
22) I openly interfere in the affairs of other countries, seeking support for all of the above
23) I know that I can count on other amoral nations to support my wars, oppression and theft.
24) I know that the World Community will not stop me as I commit future Genocides
25) I target aid trucks and kill their workers;
26) I especially target hospitals;
27) I kill civilians prisoners, women and children and old people.
28) I set attack dogs on Palestinians. A Palestinian with severe Down syndrome was recently mauled by the IDF and then they left him to bleed to death.
28) I use my lobbyists to attack, intimidate and silence freedom of speech

Posted by: librul | Jul 23 2024 17:42 utc | 39

.. maybe its a baby step but usa-israel will be looking to kill the baby..
Posted by: james | Jul 23 2024 15:48 utc | 3
Unfortunately, they are both experts at killing babies.

Posted by: motorslug | Jul 23 2024 17:43 utc | 40

This talk about a two-state solution…
Remind me; why do the colonists get one?
______
Exactly, librul. Thus two cheers — sincere, hearty cheers, but only two — for the Chinese initiative and its results.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 23 2024 17:54 utc | 41

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 23 2024 17:28 utc | 30
What I enjoy in the Beijing formulation, karlof1, is the inclusivity of the wording. This is an expansive declaration. It treats Palestine in its entirety. In this, it is quite a lot like BRICS.
Wouldn’t it be a wonder if Israelis who are aghast at the crimes of the Netanyahu clique ask to be included in the Palestinian cause, if only as observers at first, but as Gaza and the West Bank are restored under UN legislative edict, in that small country with the world savoring what is being accomplished, who knows? That is the way for jews to celebrate, truly celebrate, their heritage.
If they do not, they will lose it.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 23 2024 17:54 utc | 42

ICJ says Isr is an occupier…can the Palestinians charge (in addition to recompense reparations etc ) rent backdated on some “agreed”areas if that might “assist” some kind of settlement ?

Posted by: Jo | Jul 23 2024 17:54 utc | 43

Wouldn’t it be a wonder if Israelis who are aghast at the crimes of the Netanyahu clique ask to be included in the Palestinian cause, if only as observers at first, but as Gaza and the West Bank are restored under UN legislative edict, in that small country with the world savoring what is being accomplished, who knows? That is the way for jews to celebrate, truly celebrate, their heritage.
If they do not, they will lose it.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 23 2024 17:54 utc | 42
______
Surely you recall the last verses of Genesis 18 — and the aftermath.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 23 2024 17:56 utc | 44

The mutuality of prosperity and justice, the respect for sovereignty and human rights, and diplomacy are meant to replace the rule of Empire and the zero sum game that ruins the world with lawless violence. Let’s congratulate China and the Palestinian parties that worked toward this historic agreement. This is the goal of a civilized multi polar world that will push back despair.
This is a great day although the rebuilding and healing will take a lot more time.

Posted by: Copeland | Jul 23 2024 18:01 utc | 45

That is the way for jews to celebrate, truly celebrate, their heritage.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 23 2024 17:54 utc | 42
They are celebrating their heritage, juliana.
In Gaza, they are celebrating it.
Just as they did with Amalek …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 18:02 utc | 46

Maybe the Chinese see that the genocide in Gaza could lead to a much greater regional conflict, which will affect many countries interests including those of China, and that they are hoping a united front will be strong enough to force a peace deal, though I doubt the Zionists want one, they want to complete their genocide.
Strengthening Palestinian unity is the first step to defeating the Zionists and taking back what rightfully belongs to the Palestinians, a unite front is required to defeat a common foe.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who leads Fatah, I’m not so sure about Abbas I’ve read too many articles that claim he’s a Israeli informant and that his actions are helping to suppress the Palestinian people. I won’t be surprised if Hamas removes him from office one way or another.
Tuesday’s declaration was also signed by groups including Islamic Jihad, which fights alongside Hamas in Gaza, and the leftist Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 23 2024 18:07 utc | 47

t’s a reasonable guess that these rather forcefull demands are a result of 1) defeating the IDF and 2) the ICJ Advisory Opinion from last Friday.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 17:38 utc | 38
As I understand the Chinese, they never back a losing horse – they’ll rather choose to back the clear winner wrong or right.
They also never make a decision until they understand which way the wind is blowing.
So their very involvement in this must mean they see the writing on the wall with the way the Palestinian conflict is going.
‘Israel’ is no longer the assured victor and Palestine is ascendent.
The Chinese hedge their bets accordingly.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 18:09 utc | 48

On Wednesday a man (Netanyahu) who has ordered a genocide against an oppressed people (Palestinians) will receive a standing applause in the (US) Congress, it will be his fourth time addressing the (US) Senators and Representatives.
Most of the (US) Congress is so enamoured/captured by the Zionists that some (US) Senators have actually come out and said that an arrest warrant for Netanyahu and Gallant by the ICC (if issued which I very much doubt they will be) is an attack on (US) sovereignty.
The (US) is aiding and abetting Netanyahu in genocide.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/07/22/capitol-hill-netanyahus-second-home/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 23 2024 18:16 utc | 49

Israeli security officials praised the recent academic paper recommending the elimination of democracy in Gaza and the rebuilding of Gazan society into a “moderate Muslim entity” in the mold of the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia. In the plan are several ideas for entirely remaking Gazan society, including razing refugee camps, banning “every existing” schoolbook, and establishing total control of the media. The proposal also calls for the elimination of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency and shutting down the social and humanitarian programs run by Hamas and replacing them with an alternative Israeli-controlled structure.
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israel-is-reviewing-a-proposal-to
Report on the zionist plan for Palestine after the murdering is done, trying to find a facade to hide their insanity.

Posted by: motorslug | Jul 23 2024 18:16 utc | 50

Does anyone realize how many years of effort the Empire and its zionist attack dogs have put into dividing the Palestinians, and Arab peoples in general? If a price tag were to be put on that effort it would amount to hundreds of $billions by now.
And in a long weekend, the Chinese step up and wreck it all!
Guaranteed the zionists and Swamp scum are steaming mad right now.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 23 2024 18:18 utc | 51

Finally the Hamas hitlists of IDF goons begin to make their way to the internet:
https://youtu.be/vToN76DA83U?si=CsV-xdrit3c9hkx0
“Hamas has compiled a dossier on over 2,000 Israeli soldiers, containing sensitive details like IDs, phone numbers, bank information, vehicle license plates, and passwords. The dossier, labeled “Revenge for Children of Gaza,” was created using data from hacks, social media scraping, and public databases.”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 23 2024 18:26 utc | 52

This talk about a two-state solution…
Remind me; why do the colonists get one?
Posted by: librul | Jul 23 2024 17:42 utc | 39
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Try to think of the bigger picture beyond the next year or 5.
Israel as a Zionist state is in demographic decline. This entire episode since Oct 7th has mortally wounded Israel internationally and economically.
One state will whither on the vine while the other will ascend.
A two-state solution is a slow-acting and unstoppable poison when all of the factors are taken into account.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 23 2024 18:29 utc | 53

This happened because the Chinese actually wanted to succeed.
The Israelis have been determined on failure, and the US has dutifully served to ensure failure. Failure was the intent of those with power enough to ensure it, both money and guns.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Jul 23 2024 18:36 utc | 54

Surely you recall the last verses of Genesis 18 — and the aftermath.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 23 2024 17:56 tutc | 44
I’m happy to say I didn’t, malenkov; in fact I did think you meant simply ‘the last verses of Genesis.’ Well, in my bible there is a heading on the penultimate page of the last verses of Genesis; it says ‘The Death of Israel’. And of course, that is a reminder that the father of Joseph, Jacob, has the name ‘Israel’ given to him and he is buried in Egypt. So, if we are taking the Bible literally, (which we are not), Israel dies and is buried in Egypt.
I would rather think about the next, the final page of Genesis. The heading there is ‘The Death of Joseph’. Genesis ends with the death of Joseph. His story crowns the saga that is Creation in its entirety. That is ‘the Aftermath’.
Don’t stop less than halfway through!

Posted by: juliania | Jul 23 2024 18:59 utc | 55

Re: Back Rent etc.
Reading UNR 194, ICJ AO (2004), UNSC 2334, and ICJ (2024) ; one could certainly conclude that back rent plus interest is owed.
The Israelis counter argument will be we are returning property to you that is much much improved. So no back rent is due

Posted by: Exile | Jul 23 2024 19:00 utc | 56

None of this matters without force of arms. Israel has a superpower backer. Palestinians and other resistance forces need more weapons. Until the balance of terror tips against Israel there is ZERO chance for a pause unless on terms of surrender. The US won’t impose a ceasefire and is aiming for a Hamas surrender and normalization agreement, putting Gaza under a new occupation. The US hopes to fortify it’s power over West Asia, linking the Gulf to Israel, and frustrating Chinese and Russian inroads and integration efforts.
Israel must be militarily defeated and the settlers expelled.
Only war will prevent that.

Posted by: Rancid | Jul 23 2024 19:01 utc | 57

@ juliania | Jul 23 2024 18:59 utc | 55
I think you worked hard to miss my point. I did indeed mean the end of Genesis ch. 18. As you will recall, Abraham managed to bargain his god down to a mere 10 righteous Sodomites in order to stave off that city’s destruction. In the next chapter Sodom is destroyed.
In the same way, there are no doubt humane and righteous Israeli Jews, but not in sufficient number to be meaningful, let alone make a difference. The consequences should be as obvious as they are unavoidable.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 23 2024 19:14 utc | 58

None of this matters without force of arms. Israel has a superpower backer.
Posted by: Rancid | Jul 23 2024 19:01 utc | 57
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Unless the US has secret cloning technology, Israel’s defeat is certain.
Once they have their state, can form alliances, establish a proper military, make trade deals, etc, Palestine will be unconquerable by the Zionists. That doesn’t even mention that Russia, China, and Iran will guarantee the future of a Palestinian state.
And then the Palestinians need only to wait out the Israelis as their numbers decrease. The supremacism of Judaism limits their attempts to grow and spread as a population. People cannot become Jews no matter how much they want to.
All of those settlers from Brooklyn will stop if they can’t come to Israel and steal land.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 23 2024 19:16 utc | 59

@ Ed | Jul 23 2024 16:43 utc | 20
yes, thanks.. another way to put it is the ‘divide and conquer’ strategy has never gone away, but instead been used repeatedly on palestine by israel.. i know it is a completely con and many others do too.. israel has a losing hand at present and that doesn’t look like it is going to change either..
@ Nokaz | Jul 23 2024 16:57 utc | 21
good observations. thanks..
@ Roger | Jul 23 2024 17:10 utc | 25
great idea.. what is stopping them and the rest of the world??
@ motorslug | Jul 23 2024 17:43 utc | 40
yes – that is why i said that.. thanks.
@ Republicofscotland | Jul 23 2024 18:16 utc | 49
yes.. everyone knows the obstacle here is usa-israel-uk and an assortment of so called leaders, that are incapable of leading, except in the completely wrong and unjust way..

Posted by: james | Jul 23 2024 19:20 utc | 60

Can you even imagine a grateful Palestine formally allying with the Iranians 5 years from now?
American conservatives (crypto Zionists) will lose their minds and be powerless to do anything about it.
That’s a glimpse of America’s future. Impotent screaming and rage as the world moves beyond Pax Americana.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 23 2024 19:20 utc | 61

China and US have worked out a clear division of responsibility for the rest of the world:
1. If you want peace, go to Beijing for meetings.
2. If you want war, go to Washington for meetings.

Posted by: d dan | Jul 23 2024 19:24 utc | 62

It would be in both China’s and Russia’s interests to help the Hezbollah Syria and the Houthi defend their airspace from Israeli’s American-made aircraft, drones and missiles.
Those weapons will surely find their way into Ukraine’s and Taiwan’s arsenals and be used by NATO should it enter the war against Russia.
Any and all intelligence gained attempting to intercept those weapons in South Lebanon or Yemen would be of great value when trying to intercept them when used against Russia or a future war with China.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jul 23 2024 19:27 utc | 63

@ juliana
All bible chapters should have the same last page:
This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, events and incidents are the products of the author’s imagination. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.

Posted by: motorslug | Jul 23 2024 19:30 utc | 64

China’s three steps:
Wang said at the closing ceremony that “To help get out of the current conflict and predicament, China proposes a three-step initiative: The first step is to achieve comprehensive, lasting and sustainable cease-fire in the Gaza Strip as soon as possible, and ensure access to humanitarian aid and rescue on the ground.”
“The second step is to make joint efforts toward post-conflict governance of Gaza under the principle of ‘Palestinians governing Palestine.’ Gaza is an inseparable, integral part of Palestine.”
“The third step is to help Palestine become a full member state of the UN and get down to implementing the two-state solution,” the Chinese foreign minister said. . . .here
So initially Palestine would be the Gaza Strip, 363 square km compared to Israel’s now (not including the West Bank) of about 21,000 square km. The full “two-state solution” would presumably include some other (more) terrain in Palestine. Really.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 23 2024 19:34 utc | 65

Posted by: motorslug | Jul 23 2024 19:30 utc | 64
Oh, funky channel 27.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 23 2024 19:38 utc | 66

The Lancet magazine recently wrote (in the beginning of July or so) that 180k people have been killed by Israel in Gaza since the October 7th 2023. This is nearing 10% of population, which is a hardcoded line for genocide. There is no more excuses or anything to claim it is not genocide.
One worrying current event is Iran’s new president. He is supposedly a liberal and Iran has not uttered a word of Palestine ever since the change.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 23 2024 19:39 utc | 67

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 23 2024 19:14 utc | 58
I didn’t work hsrd at all, malenkov; honestly, I didn’t. I credit Martin Buber. He provided the insight that the ‘little books’, (ta biblia,) are spiritual sagas. Especially the first two.
It was a joy, believe me. But thsnks for your explanation; I think I answered you in what I wrote.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 23 2024 19:54 utc | 68

Did you just cite the Bible?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 23 2024 17:01 utc | 23
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Yes Love, I gave you chapter and verse, it was stated also in Matthew as well. I lived in a Protestant orphanage ages 7 through 12, during my formative years. The bible, both old and new, is full of great wisdom and wonderful stories, mostly myths and wise tales, but wonderful just the same.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 23 2024 20:04 utc | 69

RE: “One worrying current event is Iran’s new president. He is supposedly a liberal and Iran has not uttered a word of Palestine ever since the change.”
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 23 2024 19:39 utc | 67
Here are some accurate accounts of Iran’s President Masoud Pezeshin, who is not a liberal, and actually immediately upon taking office vowed support for all Resistance Groups, spoke to Hezbollah directly on day 1, and other factions, including Hamas.
You can back track articles since he took office, but here is today’s:
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/07/23/729933/Iran-Masoud-Pezeshkian-solidarity-Palestine-Israeli-aggression-Gaza-praise-resistance
“The people and government of Iran, guided by the teachings of the late Imam Khomeini and the directives of the Leader of Islamic Revolution, stand with the Palestinian people,” Pezeshkian stated.
“We support their struggle for the liberation of al-Quds, the dismantling of the Zionist regime, and the achievement of their fundamental rights.”
For further excellent expose’ of Pezeshkian, Professor Marandi, several in-depth interviews on “who” and what Pezeshkian is about.
1)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BepKUi0qxic Interview re: Pezeshkian, includes Turkey update.
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w4MWbO3j9M In-depth interview with Richard Medhurst.
Hope these links help.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 23 2024 20:07 utc | 70

None of this matters without force of arms. Israel has a superpower backer. Palestinians and other resistance forces need more weapons.
Posted by: Rancid | Jul 23 2024 19:01 utc | 57
Bingo! Pretending to be working for peace, both Russia and China became agents working for US. Since US, and Israel, solve all problems by extreme violence and without any laws, if you really want a multipolar world you should at least try to become an equalizer. Wannabes Russia and China do the exact opposite, by not selling any weapons they’re keeping US’ victims at least 50 years behind, guaranteed death. And they don’t even save their own asses in exchange. Why would anyone listen to China when they are at 50% in losing Taiwan, with US troops in the country? Why ask Russia when they have occupied territories and get killed and exploded every single day like a third world country? They can only tech you failure

Posted by: rk | Jul 23 2024 20:08 utc | 71

Posted by: rk | Jul 23 2024 20:08 utc | 71
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Your mindset is very imperialist. Endless violent escalation. Tit for tat. Eye for an Eye. Would you happen to be Talmudically inspired?
Thankfully China and Russia have older and wiser civilizations that can act with a harmonious outcome in mind.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 23 2024 20:27 utc | 72

the co mingling the transfer of 19s of billions the selling of usa military technological secrets
the purchase of israel ports the use of tel aviv spy software tech
no china is not the good guy here they are discreet partners even today.
alas all sides are involved in satanic khazhar ritual
Gods children of gaza mere food for molech baal soul eaters via sacrifice
for the record evelyne and jacob and kissinger live

Posted by: gordan | Jul 23 2024 20:35 utc | 73

China, as always, playing the long game. And maybe a ray of hope for the Palestinians.

Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 23 2024 20:36 utc | 74

M. K. BHADRAKUMAR this week —
“The disintegration of the Soviet Union is certainly the spectre of a grim future that could lie ahead for the United States. . .”
It’s been happening slowly but for a long time. The American table is now set for a harrowing Halloween. I’m continually still amazed their population thinks nearly all they see and hear is real. A Confederacy of Dunces isn’t just southern anymore if it ever was. Even fighting on the Nazi side in Ukraine didn’t ring a bell.
Hell to pay.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jul 23 2024 20:39 utc | 75

It’s true China can sell more weapons to the Middke East to counter Israel. But currently China has not taken sides yet. China is not anti-Israel. China is just pro justice – asking for Palestinians what already has been granted by the UN. China is not for changing the world – only nudging the world toward a more peaceful and just world.
If you want quick actions, go directly to your government – must of readers live in the West – abd demand changes there. The source if the problem is there.
It is not China’s Duty or Destiny to police the world.

Posted by: Allen | Jul 23 2024 20:40 utc | 76

Members of the PLA assist Israel in arms manufacturing in Serbia, hate Palestinians , Hamas and left-wing politics.
China has a banking system , thanks to the efforts of a certain Neocon Wolfovitz and the World Bank. China also has a comprehensive Facial recognition AI system , like Russia.
It’s totally delusional to imagine the Pegasus spy system is not manufactured partly in China. This is what happens when a country has no moral red lines and accepts neo-liberal capitalism as it MO.
China is flexing its Neo Liberal muscles, in exactly the same way that the US does. If Hamas was in China, they would be psychogically brainwashing them and if China wants to normalise Hamas and the PLO criminal Mafia, that will never happen, any more than Sunni Yemenis will normalise with Houthi Yemenis.
The only thing China wants is for its
wealth to give it diplomatic weight in World affairs. The UN has decided on a 2 state solution, and Justice for Palestine. China should get behind the UN, not try to fuse opposite forces of the Palestinians together, cancelling both of them.
All politicians always serve their own interests. The universal Law by which politicians create unnecessary problems, so that they can take credit for solving them.
Let the UN bring Netanyahu to trial, and let China keep its sticky Israeli fingers out of the process. Thank you.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 23 2024 20:41 utc | 77

Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 23 2024 20:46 utc | 78

Posted by: JB | Jul 23 2024 20:48 utc | 79

Posted by: rk | Jul 23 2024 20:08 utc | 71
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rk, you have a weird view of the world. Your sense of geopolitics does not reflect reality. Perhaps you should look at some John Mearsheimer videos, just as a starter.
Anyway, the goal of China and Russia is not to start WW3, but to prevent the Western NATO states from doing so. When dealing with rogue nuclear powers, such as Israel and the US/ NATO countries, equilibrium by other states can only be obtained if all states have nuclear weapons: A sure path to the destruction of planet earth.
Even less then nuclear weapons, such as Russia’s Thermobaric Missiles, if passed out like candy, would result in all (or most) nations with sufficient technical capabilities would soon copy this technology and threaten each other with it: Bad for humans and mammal life, but at least the fish might survive.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 23 2024 20:48 utc | 80

Posted by: d dan | Jul 23 2024 19:24 utc | 62
Very interesting! Congratulations!!

Posted by: Elber | Jul 23 2024 20:50 utc | 81

Posted by: gordan | Jul 23 2024 20:35 utc | 73
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Ditto #80.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 23 2024 20:52 utc | 82

China plan at my 65, here is the Israel plan–from the Tehran Times:

Last week, Netanyahu unveiled his post-war Gaza plans. Based on the plans, Israel would take over security control of the entire Gaza Strip and the regime’s military would be granted unlimited freedom for operations inside the territory.
Speculations regarding Gaza’s future have been further highlighted over the past days following the resignation of the Palestinian Authority prime minister.
Mohammed Shtayyeh and his government submitted their resignations to President Mahmoud Abbas on Monday.
“The upcoming phase and its challenges necessitate new governmental and political arrangements, taking into consideration the evolving situation in Gaza, national unity discussions, the urgent need for Palestinian-Palestinian consensus based on national unity, broad participation, solidarity, and the extension of authority over all of Palestine,” Shtayyeh said.
The Palestinian premier’s announcement comes at a time when the PA faces intense pressure from the United States to reform and improve its governance in the West Bank.
The White House wants a reformed PA being in control of both the Gaza Strip and the occupied West Bank.
But as the Israeli premier’s proposal shows, the regime is opposed to the prospect of the PA returning to Gaza after the war.
Netanyahu has also dismissed the idea of establishing a Palestinian state. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 23 2024 20:53 utc | 83

China speaks for the BRICS (including newly added members). The Israel/US, UK/Gulf States triumvirate has the latter as including only Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait and Omen. Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia and UAE have all transitioned to BRICS. Factions in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Iraq are currently active or passively in opposition to Israel and the US. Turkey is strongly leaning in the direction of BRICS membership. Israel and their protectorate seem unable to recognize the tectonic shifts in geopolitical affiliation as well as unanticipated strengths in armamentarium and weapons technology held by the Axis of Resistance. Israel + protectorate are in no shape whatsoever to undertake a multi front war, having essentially lost in Gaza and lost to the slow burn strategies of Hezbollah. Israeli troop deaths and casualties are far, far higher than reported and are taking heavy toll on political will for continued efforts, particularly after the Ansarallah stealth strike on Tel Aviv.

Posted by: abierno | Jul 23 2024 20:58 utc | 84

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jul 23 2024 20:39 utc | 75
I don’t disagree with your comments, but the “Confederacy of Dunces” quote is not related to the US. It was a Jonathan Swift insight, before the US was even conceived. And dunces have never been in shortage…anywhere in the US.
“When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.”
Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 23 2024 20:46 utc | 78
KMRIA is right, John Kennedy Toole , who won the Pulitzer Prize, posthumously, for fiction in 1981 employed Swift’s idea for is novel.

Posted by: canuck | Jul 23 2024 21:06 utc | 85

I joini earlier commenters in delighting at seeing any post from you. It’s now a ritual–I check the site several times day.

Posted by: Glorious Bach | Jul 23 2024 21:07 utc | 86

Does anyone realize how many years of effort the Empire and its zionist attack dogs have put into dividing the Palestinians, and Arab peoples in general?

Don’t forget the SAS operatives who were captured in Basra in traditional Shiite dress carrying detonators and various explosives and small arms. Their capture led to the British chucklefucks storming the prison to free them, alongside hundreds of convicted rapists and murderers, using a Challenger tank.
The hand of the West in creating the divisive sectarian struggles of the Middle East was never well hidden. And yes, the waste of blood and treasure to satisfy the sectarian dreams of some cadre of powerful people is an obscenity against all life.
I wonder if any of the veterans of that operation were there in Odessa region when karma arrived.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 23 2024 21:21 utc | 87

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 23 2024 20:41 utc | 77
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Guyane, your comment only reflects that China, after Nixon opened the Western gates for China’s markets (after betraying the Soviet Union), assumed the position as expected by all US poodles. Yes, China played the neo-liberal games, just as Russia did after the collapse of the Soviet Union. China developed its technological base while learning the capitalist game firsthand. One day the stupid and greedy capitalist in the US and Western Europe opened their eyes and noticed that China better capitalist than they were. That is why the West considers China an enemy. The same is true for Russia which was down and out after the neo-liberals feasted on the corpus of the former Soviet Union
So, neither Russia nor China had much of a choice but to play the game, as the US was in control of the geopolitical situation around the world at that time in history. But unlike the Arabic poodles (Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, Kuwait, Qatar, and Jordan…), China and Russia are breaking away from the Great Hegemon and its false geopolitical assumptions that the US is the “indispensable” country in the world, and that the dollar is God.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 23 2024 21:25 utc | 88

Putin said something some days ago along the lines ‘we wont sit and watch this forever’.
I suspect this is a major step towards RoW bypassing UNSC where US/UK have veto power and actually enforcing the ICJ decisions.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 23 2024 21:34 utc | 89

Jesus Christ on a cross! Juliania, despite your mature years (or maybe because of them!) you need to attend a Marcion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope re-education programme. Get over your jewlovery, Jewliania! Open up the New part of your bible and grok what the saviour had to say about the children of then devil, the enemies of mankind etc.
And as for Martin Jewber – ganjah infused Rastafarians came up with the superior concept of I + I. Seen!

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 23 2024 21:52 utc | 90

Don Bacon | Jul 23 2024 20:53 utc | 83–
Thanks for providing that info to the bar; I was already aware of it which is why I again wrote that fore will be required to enforce the UNSC Resolutions–a position I see no barfly has responded to one way or another.
Peter AU1 | Jul 23 2024 21:34 utc | 89-
Yes, patience isn’t infinite for either Russia or China on this crisis. IMO, Netanyahu and all Zionists are begging for the sort of enforcement I advocate. Yes, it will cause more death and destruction, but that’s going to happen anyway as the Zionists attempt to complete their Genocidal Project.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 23 2024 21:56 utc | 91

Can anyone, especially those who are pushing the two state formula, or are ardently supporting those who are pushing the two state formula, name the reasons that the two state formula is beneficial to the Palestinians, that it is reasonable, fair, just and therefore a solution. And that the Palestinians should accept it, honestly and sincerely, as right, proper and fully justified.
Posted by: JB | Jul 23 2024 20:48 utc | 79
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JB, you are absolutely correct: It is not reasonable, fair, or just. But colonialism is not about any of those things. Colonialism is about exercising raw power against weaker groups of people.
In 1949 the country of Palestine was inhabited by mostly Arab Palestinians. After WW2 a new international organization called the United Nations was created to replace the League of Nations. At that time (1949) the UN had only 49 members, mostly western countries.
Led by the British, the USA, and the Soviet Union, a vote was taken to split Palestine into two states so that the Jewish victims of the Holocaust (there were many more non Jewish victims) could have a place to live as Europeans were so anti-Semitic that Jews were not welcome in European countries. Anyway, that was the logic.
But neither the British, nor the US, or the Soviet Union at that time, ever considered asking the Arab Palestinian people, who have lived in Palestine for hundreds of years before 1949, if they were in agreement with allowing European Jews to take control of more than half of Palestine in order to relive Europe of it “Jewish” problem. The two-state solution was a typical colonial European solution. The vote by 49 countries (I don’t think the vote was unanimous if someone knows pleas respond) was racist and a violation of the spirit of the UN founding documents and ideas: The recent ICJ rulings make that quite clear.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 23 2024 22:07 utc | 92

Yes, patience isn’t infinite for either Russia or China on this crisis. IMO, Netanyahu and all Zionists are begging for the sort of enforcement I advocate.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 23 2024 21:56 utc | 91
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Agreed.
First things first. China is a large enough power on the world stage and by now has acquired legitimacy on the world stage as an entity to be reckoned with, not matter how much the Outlaw Empire and Israel would like to put them on ignore.
This is a fascinating development, leading to more and slightly different talk-talk. What’s next, we’ll see.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 23 2024 22:14 utc | 93

To offset some posts suggesting that China doesn’t have a role to play with respect to the difficulties in Palestine, thanks to Don Bacon for posting links to both China’s and the Israeli approaches to the problem. Here is a further article from the Teheran Times on the subject:
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/501484/Yellow-dragon-diplomacy-on-Palestine

Posted by: juliania | Jul 23 2024 22:15 utc | 94

Ed | Jul 23 2024 22:07 utc | 92–
I highly suggest reading the original Mandate for Palestine of 1922 where the following two aspects are delineated:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country….
ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Note, Palestine was to be a country, not two states within one area, that would provide a home for Jewish people within that one nation where all inhabitants are to be treated equally. That was the original intent of the Mandate. Even the Balfour Declaration expressed the rights of those already there were to be respected:
“… it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”
What altered that equation was Zionist Terrorism pure and simple, yet swept under the rug since 1948, although it’s quite clearly alive and well today and attempting to attain the goal of its founders–the complete elimination of all non-Jews from Palestine.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 23 2024 22:28 utc | 95

My reply to Ed @95 Cont’d–
To be fair, you’re correct that the indigenous Palestinians were never asked, not in 1922 or afterward. The British, French and then the Americans viewed control of the levant necessary for geopolitical reasons that originated before the Napoleonic Wars when the British and French were geopolitical rivals. On one thing they agreed–the Ottoman Empire needed to be defeated and Islam forced to leave Europe and the Levant despite the latter being Islam’s homeland.
The current reality is extremely ugly. Palestinian leadership continues to say they are willing to live alongside anyone as long as they’re peaceful and law-abiding people of good will–even Zionists after the decades of injustices. The Zionists on the other hand want to kill all the Palestinians and want to cohabitate with only fellow Zionists. Given that most Zionists are former Europeans, they have little claim to legitimacy in Palestine versus that of those that have lived there for centuries, Jews included. That Jews are capable of living elsewhere in peace with their fellows is proven by Iran/Persia, which means Zionists are an aberration much like Islamic State–Fanatical Anti-Human Zealots: Misfits to the nth degree.
What’s the Just Solution? Clearly, a Zionist state is Unjust and thus ruled out. A Palestine modeled on the original mandate being home to all willing to live in peace would be Just. The UN Two-State Solution would only be Just with Right of Return and payment of massive reparations, but the Zionists have refused to comply with that Law. So, we’re left with only one solution–the Original Mandate Palestine–but to attain that outcome, force will be required to remove illegal Zionist squatters/occupiers, but remove them to where?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 23 2024 22:56 utc | 96

karlof1 | Jul 23 2024 22:28 utc | 95
That piece you quoted Karl is interesting reading.
Some thoughts. Early in the 1900’s it was Oxford University Press that printed the Scofield bible and sent it back into America.
In much of what I have read – per the last hundred years or so of Anglo history, quite often it seems to me that men/people with genuinely good intentions are placed out in front to pave the way – to lay the foundations, for those with not so good intentions.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 23 2024 23:03 utc | 97

@ karlof1 | Jul 23 2024 22:56 utc | 95/96 with the comments about the death of Might-Makes-Right colonialism…..thanks
Occupied Palestine is the last stand for that form of social organization and it is failing because it benefits only a few.
China is providing the core support needed for disparate groups around the genocide/colonialism and so, the bully is being stood up to.
What is next?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 23 2024 23:09 utc | 98

“On the surface, the BRICs contingent seems very focused on peace and diplomacy …… ”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 23 2024 16:08 utc | 10
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It becomes increasingly clear that China uses its soft power to facilitate peace, co-operation and diplomacy.
USA, UK and the western imperialist bloc continue to spread division, death and destruction.
We can only hope that the light at the end of the tunnel will prevail.

Posted by: Engineer-John | Jul 23 2024 23:31 utc | 99

karlof1 96
Surely Netanyahu is a Ukrainian Nazi, same as the Neocons, Nuland etc.
The zionism bit is a political add-on, like Islamism, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.
The Islamists fought Muslims in Syria and Libya and Kurdistan for Greater Israel and USUK. Islamism very much the core of the problem for Muslims, just as Netanyahu’s Ukrainian Nazism is the core of the problem for Zionists.
Netanyahu is doing the Ukrainian Nazi Neocons’ bidding, talking from his arse about Israel and Iran, his bosses actually want to destroy Russia, if Russia could be dared to intervene in Palestine.
Netanyahu will tomorrow lay down the gauntlet for WW3. The purpose of the genocide is to bait the Left/ Russia/ China who support sovereignty of nations, not to take Palestine.
He is the most arrogant little photocopy chit of a man whose sole task is satisfying the violent wishes of the Ukrainians Neocons.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 23 2024 23:45 utc | 100

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