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June 29, 2024
Zelenski Changes His Peace Plan

Zelenski's 'peace summit' in Switzerland had failed:

The reviews of Zelenski's latest show ain't positive:

The summit served warmed up bullshit without any significant nutritional value. The most important points weren't even discussed:

The war will continue until the complete destruction of the Ukrainian forces can no longer be ignored.

The last point may have come earlier than anticipated.

On June 27 Zelenski had changed tact (machine translation):

During a speech in Brussels, the president said that Ukraine wants to start negotiations on ending the war in the near future.

"Ukraine does not want to prolong the war, we do not want it to last for years. We need to put a settlement plan on the table within a few months, " he said.

Zelensky said that in the near future it is planned to develop a plan for the second world summit.

On June 28 he gave more details (machine translation):

President Volodymyr Zelensky has said that Ukraine will present its detailed peace plan "this year".

The President announced this during a press conference in Kyiv.

"It is very important for us to show an end-of-war plan that will be supported by the majority of the world. This is the diplomatic path that we are working on. Not everything depends on us, our production of technology, drones, and artillery is really increasing, because we need to be strong on the battlefield. Because Russia understands nothing but force. These are two parallel processes: be strong and develop a detailed, clear plan, and it will be ready this year, " Zelensky said.

Note that the Ukrainian peace plan has long been presented by Zelensky. It implies the withdrawal of Russian troops to the borders. However, many countries of the world (especially representatives of the "global South") consider it unrealistic.

In other words, a new plan will probably be prepared.

Earlier Russia's President Putin had announced his conditions for a permanent peace agreement. How many of them will Zelenski accept within his new 'peace plan'?

Comments

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 1 2024 16:16 utc | 301
Now if I were a bored Kalibr operator looking for a tempting target…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 1 2024 16:31 utc | 301

NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine is beginning to look increasingly unlikely given the trends in the US and European elections.
Funding might dry up as well.
Von der Lying does not control resource allocation by individual nation states.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 1 2024 16:34 utc | 302

Unimperator | July 1, 2024 13:18 UTC | 286
Russia was serious when it mentioned this years ago. Similarly, baby-NATO need and employed residual clandestine Nazis to oppose Soviet influence throughout the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s.
The ISIS formula was established during the Gladio operation. Many anti-Nazi NGOs in Europe were shocked to learn that many neo-Nazis had relocated to Ukraine from training camps in Eastern Germany, Poland, and Czechia between 2013 and 2014. Azov and its cohorts will be eliminated for good. I am expecting an inter-Ukrainian war, as predicted by default. That or complete devastation and capitulation.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 1 2024 16:44 utc | 303

The Chaos caused by Biden’s (dementia demonstration) and Trumps (redirected untruths) produced from the Debate was likely intended.
Posted by: snake | Jul 1 2024 11:47 utc | 274
Why? What can they achieve ?
Posted by: vargas | Jul 1 2024 13:38 utc | 287
cover for the debate that should consume the elections about US> foreign policy financing and supporting foreign wars and the concern that those policies are the cause of the Biden watch inflation
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/presidential-debate-foreign-policy/
https://truthout.org/articles/first-debate-underscored-both-candidates-fealty-to-israel-amid-genocide/
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/the-emergence-of-a-trilateral-alliance-puts-the-us–hegemony
https://www.southfront.press/houthis-share-footage-of-advanced-uncrewed-boat-attacking-israel-linked-vessel-in-red-sea/ shipping is being stopped..
and of course Ukraine. These wars are not much in the news.. because none of the candidates seem to be against dipping into taxpayer funds to finance them nor are they discussing the reasons for the support of re-instituting the draft, which I understand has already been done. lots of stuff is not being discussed.
we are approaching WWIII and few are even discussing its possibility in America?
so my question is WWIII unlikely?

Posted by: snake | Jul 1 2024 16:48 utc | 304

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 1 2024 13:54 utc | 291
There are reported to be 100k Russian troops deployed in Belarus and they were running exercises on the border. Back at the start of the SMO the Russians attacked Kiev through Belarus so it seems reasonable that the Ukrainians would have a force there.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 1 2024 16:50 utc | 305

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 1 2024 16:16 utc | 301
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I think this is a fake new.
Some confirmation of the source is needed. Even if do believe Zelensky is an ass***, such new would be disastrous for his image. That’s the only thing is still has.

Posted by: scc | Jul 1 2024 16:50 utc | 306

It’s all good, financially attritional stuff.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 1 2024 16:18 utc | 303
And you can pull the plug exactly when you want… sweet

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 1 2024 16:50 utc | 307

Simplicius reports Mirgrad airfield has been struck with several Iskanders, Ukro channels report unspeakable losses.
https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1807819030440329677

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 1 2024 16:56 utc | 308

I suspect the Russians are going after the Ukrainian electrical grid piece by piece is because they want to get the Ukrainians to capitulate, negotiate or revolt.
When you torture someone you don’t pull all the finger nails at once. You pull one, ask your question and let the thought of losing another one do it’s work.
I know … horrible analogy … grosses me out too because I’ve lost a few fingernails over the years along with a few fingers but it gets the point across

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 1 2024 17:03 utc | 309

HB_Norica | July 1, 2024 17:03 UTC | 314
Russia will leave Ukraine with just enough power to prevent a nuclear accident in the remaining nuclear power plants but insufficient power to generate anything industrial that demands large amounts of energy. However, based on the TG and X, I believe Russia is “soft plowing” the battlefield with aircraft and various types of artillery. Russia is laying the groundwork for future advancement by using missiles to target specific points of military infrastructure.
Regarding Belorus’ actions, I doubt they will be repeated. Only if the Belarusian army obstructs access to Kiev across the border while Russia approaches from the east. It is less than 100 kilometers from the tri-border point where Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia intersect. This would preclude Lukashenko from being directly attacked. But since Ukraine is desperate, anything is possible.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 1 2024 17:34 utc | 310

… That would not be possible if the target were the huge transformers.
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 1 2024 16:01 utc | 299

That’s good point about a desire to knock out generating capacity while retaining grid distribution capacity for many scenarios.
I implicitly assumed that transformers would be knocked out in the vicinity of power plants to isolate those plants without damaging grid interconnects but this was not a sound assumption as I don’t know the UA grid topology.
I can’t find anything specific on the transformer and switching layout at Dnipro Hydroelectric Station, it’s possible that striking the plant directly was the only way to take it offline long term without damaging grid interconnection. I’ll keep searching.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 1 2024 17:38 utc | 311

Posted by: Milites | Jul 1 2024 16:22 utc | 304
If you want to dismiss authentic frontline reports of the current threat environment you should state your own sources and what merit you see in them. This might not be a forum of experts but everyone can see what’s written and judge for themselves. Naked pretence isn’t a currency here and there are no ranks to pull.
On retaliation vs contingency, that’s minimally informative pedantry. Russia systematically keeps its own pace, avoids being lead into action wherever possible but it has responded to some Ukraine provocations with massive retaliatory strikes, with the apparent intention that these strikes be understood as retaliation.
Russian decision makers have doubtless exercised agency in choosing courses of action they were not strictly obliged to follow (other than the balloon going up, and the Dead Man’s Switch kicking in, that’s always an option) but the fact remains that domestic political sentiment must sometimes be satisfied.
Ukraine, and Ukraine’s sponsors, can be confident that some actions are very likely to illicit a conspicuous response, possibly even the desired one.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 1 2024 18:20 utc | 312

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 1 2024 16:28 utc | 305
Very generous, much obliged. Fortunately I receive so few endorsements that their number does not signify inauthenticity!

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 1 2024 18:36 utc | 313

ZH has a posting up with the misleading title
Zelensky Outlines Workable Model For Peace Talks With Putin
the quote

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has in a fresh interview with The Philadelphia Inquirer admitted that peace talks are possible with Russia, and that they could be modeled on the UN and Turkey-brokered grain corridor deal which was agreed upon early in the war, in 2022.

“Ukraine can find a model in which solutions can be found according to relevant documents, steps, and modalities. Such a model was first applied on the example of the grain corridor, when Ukraine negotiated not with the blocking hand of Russia, but we negotiated with the UN and Turkey,” Zelensky said.
He then asserted this was a model that “worked”…

“They, in turn, took the responsibility to negotiate with us in a trilateral agreement, and then sign the corresponding agreement with the Russian side. Yes, it worked, two mirror agreements between the UN and Turkey, and a separate agreement with Russia.”

“So far, there is only this model,” Zelensky added, while also explaining that agreements on “territorial integrity, energy and freedom of navigation” could be struck according to the same format.
Zelensky said he’s open to other countries mediating as well. “No one should say that it is… just Europe and the US,” he said, referencing countries in Asia and South America.
He also in the interview laid out his vision for ‘victory’ – which means at the very least to “not to allow the full destruction of everything Ukrainian” by Putin.

So Z wants negotiations where he never has to directly interact with Russia or Putin
What is going to be Z’s position in another week?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 1 2024 18:47 utc | 314

Posted by: Mario | Jul 1 2024 13:10 utc | 284
Don’t believe there has ever been an AWACS over the Black Sea in a long, long time. It’s other stuff, and I suspect that its job is to record Russian reactions before during and after a strike. Not to direct Ukraine during a strike.
And if you google back in March – May 2023, there was a story that said they (Ukraine) did use Google Maps among other things. I guess it is good enough to locate a building?

Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 1 2024 18:50 utc | 315

ZH has a trial balloon posting up with the title
NATO Mulls Imposing No-Fly Zone Over Western Ukraine
the quote

Ukraine has revived its talking point and demand that NATO ‘close the skies’ over Ukraine, which was first featured heavily in the wake of the February 2022 Russian invasion. When this was initially suggested, the idea was that Western jets would intervene or else US anti-air systems would be set up across Ukraine.
But now Ukrainian officials have shifted their request, to involve the establishment of US Patriot systems along Ukraine’s Western border from where they would provide protection. Ukrainian parliament member Oleksiy Goncharenko told AFP, “I don’t understand why NATO doesn’t deploy Patriot systems along the Polish border.”
“After all, Russian missiles have already entered Polish and Romanian airspace. This would protect the borders of Poland and Romania, and this would create a safe zone in the west and south of Ukraine,” he added.

Worrisomely, NATO officials are actually contemplating the idea of at least a partial no fly zone over Ukraine. According to more from AFP:

“In the energy sector, the situation is really hard,” said a senior Ukrainian security official, speaking on condition of anonymity, adding he fears it will deteriorate further as winter approaches.
The official said talks were “in progress” with Western allies on a no-fly zone over western Ukraine using Patriot systems in Poland or Romania, “but that is not a simple decision.”

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 1 2024 18:53 utc | 316

(Ukraine) did use Google Maps
Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 1 2024 18:50 utc | 320

Google Maps is very diligent about using Ukrainian preferred spellings and place names. That filters into most translation services too.
A digital fait accompli.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 1 2024 18:56 utc | 317

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 1 2024 18:53 utc | 321
I’ve just read that piece at ZH and as I was reading it I thought “NATO can ‘mull’ all it likes but good luck enforcing a no-fly zone, it should stick to mulling wine in the winter.”
I’m not even sure the Russian air force is that active over western Ukraine, all the attacks there are from the vast array of missile complexes that Russia possesses.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 1 2024 19:10 utc | 318

@323
IDF seems willing to send Patriot batteries they do not trust.
Lockheed just awarded contract to sell over 800 of newest PAC +++, at $4.5 billion!
Coincide with money for Lockheed.
Patriot was envisioned as point defense. Maybe 100km converage.
Now NATO air patrols on border have same small coverage, and Ukraine aircraft would be kept out of range of NATO friendly fire.
Another expensive set of ineffective gift.
NATO (maybe not the senile ledUS) has nothing to respond when RF engage nuisance systems west of Ukraine.

Posted by: paddy | Jul 1 2024 19:43 utc | 319

While Ukraine is facing constant Russian advances on the battle fronts and a collapse of its army which is, according to AMercouris,loosing 10 000 soldiers a week (dead and wounded) Zelensky is talking about victory, and his wife, reportedly, bought a new model Bugatti – Bugatti Turbillon – costing 4.5 million euros.
Probably in anticipation of the victory over Russia.
https://veritecachee.fr/2024/07/01/olena-zelenska-est-devenue-la-premiere-proprietaire-de-la-toute-nouvelle-bugatti-turbillon/
https://ria.ru/20240701/zelenskaya-1956730406.html?rcmd_alg=COL6&rcmd_id=1956738973

Posted by: JB | Jul 1 2024 19:53 utc | 320

NATO trying to enforce a no-fly zone anywhere in Ukraine would be a FAFO moment. It’d be nice if they actually tried as a bloody nose would show them the dangers inherent in the all-in airstrike NAFO’s fantasize about. The myth of Western air superiority needs to be dispelled before they get too ambitious.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 1 2024 19:53 utc | 321

Don’t believe there has ever been an AWACS over the Black Sea in a long, long time. It’s other stuff, and I suspect that its job is to record Russian reactions before during and after a strike. Not to direct Ukraine during a strike.
Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 1 2024 18:50 utc | 320
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FlightRadar24 showed a UK RC-135 doing loops over the Black Sea this morning having taken off from a UK airbase.
I guess that does not count.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 1 2024 19:55 utc | 322

Very generous, much obliged. Fortunately I receive so few endorsements that their number does not signify inauthenticity!
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 1 2024 18:36 utc | 318
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You earned it for your content and your ways. Milites, that Roman foot soldier, has his own and is entitled to his own style, also much appreciated by me.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 1 2024 20:01 utc | 323

Regarding NATO no-fly zone in Ukraine. Russia just hit Mirgorod air base, according to visual confirmation causing various damage to 6 Su-27 aircraft.
No, NATO cannot enforce any no-fly zone in Ukraine, it’s just loser EU chihuahuas and NATO political commissioners who don’t know anything about warfare.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 1 2024 21:09 utc | 324

FlightRadar24 showed a UK RC-135 doing loops over the Black Sea this morning having taken off from a UK airbase.
I guess that does not count.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 1 2024 19:55 utc | 327
You are correct. It doesn’t count as the RC-135 is not an AWACS it is a Rivit Joint.

Posted by: JohninMK | Jul 1 2024 21:15 utc | 325

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 1 2024 18:20 utc | 317
If your knowledge on martial matters was a bit more than wiki-deep you’d realise that frontline combat reports can be some of the most confusing and inaccurate sources, irrespective of the technology used to compile them. It’s the equivalent of claiming a football supporter at a match accurately knows what is going on.
For further reading on the matter
Leo Murray’s ‘Bullets and Brains’
And for a detailed example of the inaccuracy of official unit histories
Michael Reynolds ‘The Devil’s Adjutant.
So no, I don’t have to provide any contrary sources because, by their very nature, they would be as unreliable as those TG channels you quote.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 1 2024 20:01 utc | 328
Although Milites was a descriptor for the Roman PBI, my posting name alludes to the Norman horseman, though with some posters I feel it should be pedites.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 1 2024 21:16 utc | 326

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 1 2024 19:55 utc | 327
I probably heard that one take off!

Posted by: Milites | Jul 1 2024 21:18 utc | 327

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 1 2024 16:56 utc | 313
My guess would be possibly pilots, more likely support staff that are vital to keep any military planes flying. Same principle as taking out a carrier by knocking out its tugs.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 1 2024 21:22 utc | 328

I have not gone out looking for “track” in and near Ukraine recently or often.
Some months ago E-3TF NATO AWACS showed southwest of Ukraine. Not very frequently.
NATO has a fleet of E-3 as wellUK has a few. Probably a bit less updated than USAF.
Likewise, UK RC-135 is lesser than USAF Rivet Joint RC-135. Which is very close hold units.

Posted by: paddy | Jul 1 2024 21:30 utc | 329

Dima says there are AFU mass surrenders, mostly the newly mobilized thrown to hold this area in the line Krasnogorivka-Maksymilaniavka.
AFU made a small counter-offensive with elite troops to Paraskoviivka, they didn’t have proper recon and got ambushed by the Russian group making final preparations against Novomikhalovka. So the AFU group in Novomikhalovka is now missing their elite troops to defend it.
RUAF managed to chain-explode a large AFU mine field west of Ugledar near Prechystivka which is probably in RUAF designs soon.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 1 2024 21:35 utc | 330

NATO is more terrified from Biden’s problems then Russia.
Russia is now weak and can’t do much harm to NATO, but if Trump stops financing the war, that would be a problem.

Posted by: vargas | Jul 1 2024 21:58 utc | 331

Russia is now weak and can’t do much harm to NATO, but if Trump stops financing the war, that would be a problem.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 1 2024 21:58 utc | 336
Ugh man… Russia weak? Did your guide dog die?

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Jul 1 2024 22:13 utc | 332

Posted by: vargas | Jul 1 2024 21:58 utc | 336
NATO is beyond terrified, it is catatonically dysfunctional.
“Ooh, shall we have a no-fly zone?” Maybe you should have thought about that 2½ years ago.
“Let’s get Ukraine into NATO”. OK, so bloating out NATO membership over the last 30 years has so streamlined the decision making process…
“Russia can’t sell oil above $60/barrel.” Uh-huh… check the prices for Russian oil grades.
As for Trump, you are talking about Joe Trump, or do you mean Donald Biden?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 1 2024 22:18 utc | 333

Russia is now weak and can’t do much harm to NATO, but if Trump stops financing the war, that would be a problem.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 1 2024 21:58 utc | 336
Yeh! Russia is so weak that the whole of NATO is shit scared of putting boots on the ground in Ukraine. If they had the bollocks, they would have done it by now. But they haven’t got the bollocks. Thats why theyre not in Ukraine at a time when kiev needs them the most. They havent the Bollocks.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 1 2024 22:34 utc | 334

Although Milites was a descriptor for the Roman PBI, my posting name alludes to the Norman horseman, though with some posters I feel it should be pedites.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 1 2024 21:16 utc | 331
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Thank you, I had various choices in researching your nom de plume and arbitrarily picked one, quite a while back, awaiting correction, which you provided.
I appreciate your writings, very much so. Thank you.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 1 2024 23:02 utc | 335

What is going to be Z’s position in another week?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 1 2024 18:47 utc | 319
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Prone. (h/t Stokely Carmichael)

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 1 2024 23:14 utc | 336

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 1 2024 15:13 utc | 296
My primary point, as made in my first para, was that Russia’s “retaliatory strikes” are specifically tactical and aligned with the needs of the SMO. This is in contrast to Ukraine’s clearly vengeful actions upon *predominantly* civilian targets and symbolic hits for global and domestic PR optics, a sort of “we’ll hit anything we can reach just to show smoke and flames”. Agreed?
Like the Crimean Bridge, or beachhead. Not a very USEFUL use of $xxM gifted missiles. Or like their $50 drone into the Kremlin cupola. Agreed?
My secondary point which you chose to take issue with, was that retaliation, aka revenge, being clearly a psycho-emotional response, is an irrational, hateful motive, which I postulated is far less in the Kremlin than in Bankova. Agreed?
From Russia’s pov, I envisage they have a massive ongoing intel list of potential targets all over Ukraine and then authorise retaliatory-looking strikes on what would be most useful to the SMO for the coming week. Sure it was triggered by Ukraine. But revenge is not the motivation. Agreed?
Then I envisage that next morning, Zelensky storms in in a rage demanding of the Ukrainian generals “Well? What are gunna hit today as payback?”. They all then consult Google Maps and point at some things over the border. Lol.
My other theme was that Ukraine’s causes, intents, motivations are historical and political — subsuming revenge since the Crimean take-back in 2015; confiscating the ZNPP; etc, etc; not to mention their take on the Holomodor! Agreed?
That’s all I was trying to say. I don’t know why you felt the need to deconstruct and disagree. I did have a chuckle though at your terms that my post was “ill-considered” and “not informative”. So sorry. I didn’t realise that all my posts had to satify YOUR standards of well-considered and informative input to the forum. I’ll be more careful in future.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 1 2024 23:31 utc | 337

Simplicius reports Mirgrad airfield has been struck with several Iskanders, Ukro channels report unspeakable losses.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 1 2024 16:56 utc | 313
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Myrhorod Air Base [WW II US history; USSR extension of runway, maintenance facilities and pads]
Until the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the base was home to the 831st Tactical Aviation Brigade flying Sukhoi Su-27P/UB aircraft
In April 2022, Russian attacks against the base destroyed an ammunition depot and damaged the runway and a fuel depot.
On the morning of 10 June 2023, Russia launched an attack using Iskander-M and Iskander-K missiles, and Geran-2 loitering munitions, while MiG-29 fighters of the Ukrainian 40th Tactical Aviation Brigade, adapted to launch U.S. supplied AGM-88 HARM anti-radiation missiles, were located at the base. The attack destroyed a MiG-29 fighter and a Mi-8 helicopter. A nearby large ammunition depot and fuel depot were damaged in two powerful explosions large enough to be recorded by NASA seismic monitoring equipment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrhorod_Air_Base#:~:text=Myrhorod%20(ICAO%3A%20UKBM)%20is,Myrhorod%2C%20Poltava%20Oblast%2C%20Ukraine.&text=Until%20the%202022%20Russian%20invasion,%2D27P%2FUB%20aircraft.
OMG, means to me human losses (barracks?), possibly aircraft, ordnance storage, POL, etc.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 1 2024 23:45 utc | 338

Civil war is only moments away.
What with the escaping draft dodgers unable to pay and succeed getting across the borders safely, risking death from the border patrols.
It seems they are now prepared to fight to survive in the groups they attempt to cross as. Photos of killed and maimed conscripts and injuries to the border patrol soldiers means that it’s only a matter of time they will organise and fight from their hideouts at home.
They have no other choice.
Civil War.
TINA.
That’s how this ends now.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 1 2024 23:48 utc | 339

As I recall, the US said that the reason the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999 was that they “were using old maps”.
That was before Google Maps. I think they were using a fold-up one they got at a gas station in Zagreb.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 2 2024 0:19 utc | 340

Posted by: vargas | Jul 1 2024 21:58 utc | 336
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Fuck off agent provocateur.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 2 2024 0:33 utc | 341

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 1 2024 23:48 utc | 344
Let’s hope you’re right.

Posted by: Mike R | Jul 2 2024 0:56 utc | 342

Just want to mention that I actually thought a troll had hijacked the “Lavrov’s Dog” username in the last week or so. I remember that poster being mostly very reasonable, very articulate, and not so violently emotional like now. Not that I always agreed with their opinions.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 1:05 utc | 343

RF needs to reduce all electric generation stations, i.e.: generators, not transformers. No generation capacity means transformers are just lawn decorations.
RF needs to destroy all oil tank farms and transmission stations for petro pipelines. No fuel distributions means no supplies will move to the Nazi front line troops.
RF needs to interdict all main rail bridges and switchyards. No heavy train transport means ammo and armor supplies cant move to the front.
The entire logistics system for Ukrainian Nazi forces needs to be pulverized, no oil, no power, no transport means no more Nazis.

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 2 2024 1:11 utc | 344

WRT trolls and the the vitriolic slagging matches….
That’s the price for free speech on an open discussion board. I don’t really see more of it now than before b’s recent health issues.
One thing this board does not have, that so many others do, is upvote/downvote scores (just a popularity contest). Not having that helps to protect this blog from becoming a pure echochamber.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 1:18 utc | 345

@CANADA’S BEST, # 351
Well, aren’t you a nice, sunshine-y fellow. Do tell more 🙂 ;)…

Posted by: DakotaRog | Jul 2 2024 1:41 utc | 346

Reports of a high number of US SEAL members committing suicide.
Just wondering if these acts were committed in Ukraine or Gaza?

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 2 2024 1:44 utc | 347

Posted by: CANADA’S BEST | Jul 2 2024 1:34 utc | 351
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Wow.
And here I thought I had already experienced all that the internet had to offer.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 2 2024 1:54 utc | 348

anyone have further info on this?
I haven’t seen the quote by Johnson in his recent writings on his website, but he may have said this in one of his interviews
https://x.com/BhadraPunchline/status/1807275336121405874
Larry Johnson: “Russian Defence Minister Belousov warned US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin that Russia will shoot down any U.S. ISR drone operating over the Black Sea. It appears that the U.S. gulped and subsequently cancelled planned flights of the Global Hawk.”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 2 2024 2:25 utc | 349

Ooooh goody!
Russia, via their UN Rep Nebenzia, has finally OVERTLY STATED that Israel sending Patriots … or anything … to Ukraine will “of course” cause “consequences”.
At last, RF has made it crystal clear that ANY COUNTRY sending anything to Ukraine is fair game.
I really dunno why Putin has coddled Nit-and-Yahoo this long anyway. The 145k Jews in Russia need to be shown the Greater Cause beyond their silly religious affiliations. Encourage them to go live in their strife torn holy land. And/or cancel dual citizenships for those emotionally attached to antagonistc countries who support Ukraine regime.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 2 2024 3:14 utc | 350

Anyone have further info on this?
Larry Johnson: “Russian Defence Minister Belousov warned US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin that Russia will shoot down any U.S. ISR drone operating over the Black Sea. It appears that the U.S. gulped and subsequently cancelled planned flights of the Global Hawk.”
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 2 2024 2:25 utc | 355

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 2 2024 3:24 utc | 351

Lavrov’s Dog has apparently gone completely off the deep end now. Two name changes in two days. Both new names are evidence of narcissism and delusions of grandeur.
Step away from the crack pipe, sir.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 4:38 utc | 352

From the WSJ:

NATO will station a senior civilian official in Kyiv, among a raft of new measures designed to shore up long-term support for Ukraine that are expected to be announced at a summit in Washington next week, U.S. and alliance officials say.
The steps seek to buttress Ukraine’s prospects to eventually join the alliance without offering it membership. They come amid a right-wing political surge across Europe and the growing possibility that former President Donald Trump could return to the White House and reduce American support for Ukraine.
continues … “>https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nato-to-establish-new-kyiv-post-for-ukraine-81b4205c

Posted by: too scents | Jul 2 2024 4:39 utc | 353

Posted by: too scents | Jul 2 2024 4:39 utc | 359
Any Nato ‘senior staff’ in Kiev might actually have adverse effects on AFU performance, considering they have planned every major disaster operation during the SMO from Snake Island to Kherson to the 2023 counter-offensive.
A more probable possibility is there is a real potential for capitulation soon, and Nato officers are there to organize nazi anti-retreat battalions.
https://asiatimes.com/2024/07/ukraine-war-will-end-in-surrender/

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 4:56 utc | 354

Not joking. It has to be drugs that is causing this epic emotional meltdown of a previously rational poster.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 4:57 utc | 355

@ unimperator | Jul 2 2024 4:56 utc | 360 with the surrender scenario at Asia Times
Last night when I commented on that interview reported on in the Asia Times above I wrote this

So Z wants negotiations where he never has to directly interact with Russia or Putin
What is going to be Z’s position in another week?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 1 2024 18:47 utc | 319
In a later comment I got this response to my question

Prone. (h/t Stokely Carmichael)
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 1 2024 23:14 utc | 341

Putin has said that Russia/China have nuclear superiority over the West at this time.
It has been clear for some time that Ukraine is running out of soldiers and if NATO does not step into the fray, capitulation is a matter of time, not if.
My early August end to the shit show is still looking possible….grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 2 2024 5:23 utc | 356

Russia, via their UN Rep Nebenzia, has finally OVERTLY STATED that Israel sending Patriots … or anything … to Ukraine will “of course” cause “consequences”.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 2 2024 3:14 utc | 356
He didn’t say that.
He said that if Israel sends 8 Patriots to Ukr “I assume that this could of course have certain political consequences” ( tass.com/politics/1810975 )
It won’t have any. But he can’t say it, so he “assumes” it “could” have some “political”.

Posted by: rk | Jul 2 2024 5:34 utc | 357

Posted by: Lavrov’s Favourite | Jul 2 2024 5:06 utc | 362
“No joking. No, seriously. Really. You’re a plum idiot! A fool.
Here’s a wooden nickle – Go buy a clue!”
You’re still very damned funny when you want to be. Thanks, that made me lol.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 5:37 utc | 358

Posted by: Lavrov’s Favourite | Jul 2 2024 5:16 utc | 363
Jake is a rather belligerent keyboard tough guy. We’ve all seen them before. He is better than most at that game because he mixes keyboard-tough-guy with some very intelligent posts. Just ignore the belligerence, you don’t have to try to match it.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 5:51 utc | 359

My early August end to the shit show is still looking possible….grin
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 2 2024 5:23 utc | 365

The delusion about central banks cutting interest rates will end in approximately the same time frame.
Mid-August.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 2 2024 5:51 utc | 360

Wisco, 368, MoA is still a very civilised forum. Jake is too polite compare to some who comment on the Telegraph’s Ukraine forum.

Posted by: Peter Schmidt | Jul 2 2024 7:34 utc | 361

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 2 2024 3:14 utc | 356
He didn’t say that.
Posted by: rk | Jul 2 2024 5:34 utc | 366

Aaaw, come on. I only paraphrased and extrapolated just a little bit from the tone of the whole RT article. 😉
Added to other general and specific statements Nebenzia has previously made over the SMO … as a master of diplomatic understatement … he’s let the Israelis off lightly, imo. So I was saying it for him 🙂 🙂 🙂

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 2 2024 8:23 utc | 362

Posted by: Peter Schmidt | Jul 2 2024 7:34 utc | 370
Telegraph is undoubtedly heavily moderated and censored, with bias in favor of violently Russophobic opinions. Poms talking tough about fighting wars against Russians, lol.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 8:25 utc | 363

Jake is a rather belligerent keyboard tough guy …
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 5:51 utc | 368
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Now now, let’s not generalise about the whole of a person’s personality based upon reactionary extremes towards deeply flawed thinking. I’m actually a very level headed guy when not on MoA (any social media) and faced with such blatant examples of intoxicated or imbecilic idiocy. I suspect many “raving loonies” here are the same. Lol.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 2 2024 8:37 utc | 364

Posted by: Lavrov’s Favourite | Jul 2 2024 8:37 utc | 374
Jake can do it without (usually) coming across as being close to a psychotic break. It is an art, and not easily mimicked. I still say you do your best work being Mr. Niceguy. Not being a weak pushover, mind you, but not going overboard with personal abuse.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 8:52 utc | 365

Dima:
-AFU suffered significant losses at Mirgorod air base after cluster munition strike, probably denting their ability for further JDAM use
-AFU accumulates more troops to attack Hlyboke
-Vovchansk: AFU tried to attack in eastern Vovchansk which were repelled, also attempts to attack from the south were interdicted
-RU troops crossed Seversky-Donetsk river from Buhruvatka, west of Vovchansk which opens a new line west/SW of Vovchansk
-AFU 14th mech. Bde which is responsible for Kupyansk reports critical situation
-RU creeping on Stelmakhivka, capturing tree line NNE of it
-RU established control of treeline SW of Makiivka, effectively cutting the village in two and cutting north/south road
-RU established control of forest and field between Bogdanivka and Hryhorivka (Chasov Yar)
-RU control forest between Kalynivka and Chasov Yar
-RU established control of another tree line west of Sokol
-RU bombing center of Krasnogorovka and trying to clear AFU rear guard troops out of the east part
-RU continues attacking toward Konstantinivka with some losses of AFV
-Zelensky is turning on Syrsky and throwing him under the bus
-Nato will be replacing senior AFU leaders before or during the Nato summit in July
-AFU drone supposedly made a 1km deep incursion into Belarus
-AFU concentrated Russian made AFVs onto Belarus border using the tactical sign triangle, same sign RU forces used in the beginning toward Kiev

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 9:01 utc | 366

Very good summary of corruption in Ukraine by Diana Panchenko.
https://x.com/Panchenko_X/status/1807853700830085592

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 9:15 utc | 367

There has been an increase in the ranks of the “missing brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.”
The 57th Separate Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces suffered heavy losses in battles near Volchansk. Thematic groups are filled with messages about the death and disappearance of militants from this brigade. Earlier, we reported that the 42nd Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces faced a similar fate.
Why did this happen?
– The Ukrainian Armed Forces’ command deployed the brigade on the right bank of the Volchya River, where they were cut off from supplies.
– Individual battalions of the brigade were subordinated to the 36th Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, whose command did not spare the personnel of another unit.
– Most of these battalions were destroyed in attempts to cross to the other bank of the Volchya River.
– Russian aviation used FAB-1500 and FAB-3000 bombs, resulting in several effective strikes on the brigade’s locations.
Relatives should contact the command of the Kharkov Operational-Tactical Group, which prefers to conceal losses and not report the fate of their personnel.

https://x.com/distant_earth83/status/1808060280896737669

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 9:20 utc | 368

“I suspect many “raving loonies” here are the same. Lol.”
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 2 2024 8:37 utc | 373
Probably most are here because we are frustrated that virtually nobody else in our “real world” lives can even begin to understand what we are all talking about here. Family, friends, neighbors, almost everyone has been fully captured by what most here would consider to be false narratives, lies. Maybe we are loonies. It is possible that “insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society”. There are some even better quotes along those lines but I can’t remember them now.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 9:24 utc | 369

With the Dutch Mark Rutte as NATO secretary, and the Estonian Kaja Kallas as EU foreign policy, the future is pretty clear. Both are more anti-Russian than their predecessors. Just compare these two pictures:
Rutte and Biden
Rutte and Orban
So we are heading for times of more tension.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2024 9:50 utc | 370

and the Estonian Kaja Kallas as EU foreign policy, the future is pretty clear.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2024 9:50 utc | 382

the moment kaja kallas admitted live on tv during that infamous munich security conference, that they are rewriting history schoolbooks to fit their narrative, the very same moment her fate as something bigger and grander within the eu beurocracy was sealed.
ursula and annalena probably vouched personally for her, seeing how nazis love to stick together.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 2 2024 9:58 utc | 371

Latest report of Ukrainian energy market says EU is demanding to remove the price cap of electricity, after which new transfer lines between EU-Ukraine will be built. Obviously the price will float to average EU levels, which will act to constrain economic activity in Ukraine. And Russia could hit the transfer lines after erected.
IMO looks like the EU is easily goaded and suckered into more and more costly propositions which will act to drain it both in finances, resources and livelihood of its own economy.

The Ukrainian population has not yet recovered from the tariff shock and the increase in the price of electricity to 4.32 UAH/kW, as Europeans again want to “improve” their lives as Ukrainians, by lifting restrictions on electricity prices on the exchange for business —, at least 8 UAH, at least 80 UAH/kW!
Thus, the European Secretariat of the Energy Community advocated the removal of price restrictions on (price cap) in the energy market, as they interfere with improving conditions for importing electricity. As soon as prices on the stock exchange are released, new power lines themselves will be built at the borders, and capacity will appear for imports. In Europe, the increase in electricity prices on the stock exchange is called “increasing flexibility” of the Ukrainian energy market.
It is this “flexibility” that then increases the cost of goods and services, and thousands of hryvnia are spent on electricity.
Director of the Energy Community Secretariat Lorkowski does not even hide the fact that the issue of electricity trade between Ukraine and the EU is one of the main issues on the agenda of all Ukrainian delegations visiting the European Union.
@MediaKiller/TG

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 10:00 utc | 372

my favourite quote from germanys “handelsblatt” today:

Russlands Terrorkampagne gegen die Energieversorgung
Russia’s terror campaign against the energy supply

from a hitpiece about failing mobilization and how life is great in lwow, until the afforementioned “terror campaign” kicks in. its so pathetic, and people actually pay for tripe like this.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 2 2024 10:04 utc | 373

“Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 2 2024 5:23 utc | 365 “Putin has said that Russia/China have nuclear superiority over the West at this time.”
What is that supposed to mean?

Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 2 2024 10:39 utc | 374

We are well into the comment section so going off topic is understandable and Lavrov’s Pampered Menial is providing a fine spectacle, a florid episode over multiple threads. I’ll be reading with anticipation.

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2024 10:47 utc | 375

“No one is dumber or wrong more often than you are canuck.
UR #1 Dumb as a Rock. Can’t read. Can’t think. Can’t write. A fuckin’ talentless nobody.
Fuck Off and be grateful it’s not a real Bar you pathetic piece of shit.
And lastly, your qualifications for advising me what I should do ‘better’ are what???”
Posted by: A Dog’s Breakfast | Jul 2 2024 9:38 utc | 380
Thank you, Dog, for elevating me as your most hated poster.
As for my qualifications ‘for advising you on what you should do better’? Hmmmnnn….well to start I am sane and you, obviously, are not.
Have a good day and thanks again for the promotion!!
I

Posted by: canuck | Jul 2 2024 11:05 utc | 376

What is that supposed to mean?
Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 2 2024 10:39 utc | 387
I can’t speak for Psychohistorian but China and Russia have faster, longer range and more modern nuclear weapons meaning they could in theory decapitate the USA before the order to strike back can be given. It’s an insane proposition as likely to backfire and result in a civilization ending war but considering the present state of world affairs and after watching that presidential debate you can see how they may be thinking it’s time to put the mad dog down.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 2 2024 11:13 utc | 377

Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 2 2024 10:39 utc | 387
The manufacturer of Russia’s nuclear missiles used to be a Ukrainian firm, Yushmash. As a consequence of the Maidan coup, Russia has had to redesign it’s nuclear missiles. They’re brand new.
The US nuclear missiles are, in comparison, old. The Minuteman is a 60’s design, and it’s replacement, the Sentinel, is over budget and over time. Trident is 70’s.
Do you have anything from the 70’s you’re still using ?

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2024 11:17 utc | 378

.. And, you’re very welcome. 🙂
Posted by: Lavrov’s Favourite | Jul 2 2024 11:24 utc | 392
Correct.

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2024 11:35 utc | 379

Why the suicidal tendencies around here?
B’s Sword of Damocles is hopefully poised.
In the meantime don’t some of you realise the guy is ill? Or do you want him to shut up shop again.

Posted by: JohninMK | Jul 2 2024 11:40 utc | 380

Do you have anything from the 70’s you’re still using ?
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2024 11:17 utc | 391
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My refrigerator. It was built to last forever. Today’s models are built to expire three days after the expiration of the extended warranty.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 2 2024 11:55 utc | 381

the moment kaja kallas admitted live on tv during that infamous munich security conference, that they are rewriting history schoolbooks to fit their narrative
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 2 2024 9:58 utc | 383
Do you have a link to that?

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2024 12:18 utc | 382

“The alternative way to depict is that Ukraine has nothing else left than FPV drones. Of course they bet on that because they are easiest to obtain, produce and use.”
Ukraine is wasting resources into pinpricking Russia behind the borders.
What they squander there is not available in the “Hot Zone”.

Posted by: MAKK | Jul 2 2024 12:44 utc | 383

@ unimperator | Jun 30 2024 12:06 utc | 158
@ MAKK | Jul 2 2024 12:44 utc | 397
There is a lot of critique by the usual suspects about Russian AD being consistently penetrated in Crimea, falling rather neatly into a version of survival bias. These nonsensical expensive low value, once-of-a-kind and terrorist attacks highlight how both so-called-ukraine and NATO struggle to hit anywhere that actually matters.
FPV and explosive-dropping drones are the only meaningful and effective weapon/ammunition so-called-ukraine has in abundance. That is a dire sign indeed.

Posted by: boneless | Jul 2 2024 13:13 utc | 384

Posted by: boneless | Jul 2 2024 13:13 utc | 398
The Russian AD, when penetrated, is mostly due to the information and mapping data provided by the Nato recon drones off Crimea.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 13:31 utc | 385

@398, @399
During WW II when RAF and USAAF were losing huge numbers of expensive, resource intensive aircrews to saturation bomb targets which were easily replaced they observed that the more planes you sent over a target you lost about the same actual crews as if you sent fewer aircraft. So we need economists in war?
That said they could saturate the defenses. You lost the same number of crews but you felt better because your casualty rate was lower %!!!
That kind of logic worked when you had Russia on your side.
Not so obvious in a war with a nation that has resources and interior lines!
Ukraine wunderwaffen are the modern version of hitler’s V1/V2 startegy! No strategic impact, just headlines.

Posted by: paddy | Jul 2 2024 13:44 utc | 386

Do you have anything from the 70’s you’re still using ?
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2024 11:17 utc | 391
##########
Other than myself, no.
I’m not sure that is good. I’m not sentimental about much but I do regret the industrial revolution and its consequences.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 2 2024 13:49 utc | 387

Malenkov | July 2, 2024, 11:55 UTC | 395
I also have a refrigerator from the late 1970’s. I recently replaced a rubber seal, a compressor, and an LED light bulb. The old compressor died after 40 years of constant use. Not that I expect that this new one will work so long.
I drive a car from the same era with no electronic components other than the modern audio system. The only contemporary mechanical upgrade was custom Teflon-titanium ball bearings in the wheel hubs. Reduces rolling resistance by around 20%.
The consumer industry will never be at the same level again. Buy cheap, throw it away the next year, buy again…not my world.

Posted by: whirlX | Jul 2 2024 14:09 utc | 388

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2024 12:18 utc | 396
I am currently at work and only with my phone without complete uncensored internet, but i did manage to find this one snippet “>https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1627261266904469504“> of the press conference, but i remember a video of her sitting next to the female interviewer or questionere where she elaborated a bit more on this.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 2 2024 14:12 utc | 389

Second try
link

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 2 2024 14:16 utc | 390

Posted by: Milites | Jul 1 2024 21:16 utc | 331
Direct reports from the front are available as never before, as are summaries of the supply requests made by front line soldiers to volunteer units. There is every opportunity to bypass the make-believe world of officialdom, deluded bullshitters, and the officer class generally, to learn something of the true risk environment of the front.
You admit to not attempting to come to an even vaguely objective understanding of the proportion of Russian casualties (the supposed 5000 “irrecoverable” per month) that is due to FPV drones, which is the figure of merit when trying to determine their impact, yet this somehow qualifies you.
You are incapable of appreciating the purely decorative nature of your clichéd historical references and have indicated on multiple occasions that you are UK MoD, that much should certainly be taken at face value.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 2 2024 14:16 utc | 391

Once more sorry
link

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 2 2024 14:23 utc | 392

I say fuck them all! Especially the list above.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Favourite | Jul 2 2024 8:37 utc | 374
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I seem to have offended you, possibly more than once. It is possible that I had a good reason. Sometimes, certain things people say, cause trouble, although I cannot recall the occasion.
A pointer, perhaps? Do consider tender mercies.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 2 2024 15:09 utc | 393

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 2 2024 14:23 utc | 406
Outrageous. This neoliberal fascist has the gall to insinuate that the Russians are inclined to support dictators because they did not rewrite their history (they did), unlike the Estonians. Well, it’s not a coincidence that the Waffen SS are lionized in Estonia and Kallas exposed that eloquently.
For the record, despite her whinings about her family being subjected to repressions, it is almost certain that her father was a prominent Soviet official who turned anti-communist post-dissolution and became a comprador.
Despite having been intensely critical of the purges in the 30s, scum like kallas tend to validate such practices if they are directed against such trash like herself. This neoliberal muppet of the Anglo-American empire might get her wish and see Estonia become a battleground in a self-fulfilled prophecy. In short, she is a menace for her own country. The Eurocrats, by placing her in the position she is now, might make other countries feel the pain as well.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2024 16:26 utc | 394

Ever since the start of the Russian operation in Ukraine there has been no mention here, as far as I am aware, of Ukranian civilian losses.
Massive Russian attacks have certainly caused civilian deaths.It would be important to have at least an approximation of civilian casualties on the Ukrainian side, in order to have a proper perspective on the Russian actions and this war. One needs to look at the whole picture.
If anyone knows of a reliable source for Ukranian civilian deaths please do share.

Posted by: JB | Jul 2 2024 20:36 utc | 395

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 2 2024 14:16 utc | 405
‘clichéd historical references’. I’ve got lots more on my bookshelves I could reference; however, as I’m sure you know the saying about wrestling pigs, you’ll understand me politely declining to comment on your obviously provocative posts.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 2 2024 20:46 utc | 396

Justpassinby@385….well by definition it “might” be considered “torture”….of course there is a work around, just turn the fucking power off already, nada, zilch….flatline the damn thing.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 3 2024 1:09 utc | 397

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 2 2024 11:13 utc | 390
The United States has spent a significant amount of money over decades to ensure it can endure a surprise nuclear attack and still respond effectively. Since the 1970s, when Soviet SSBNs began patrolling off the East Coast with SLBMs capable of depressed trajectories, there have been plans assuming that Washington D.C. might be destroyed before the President could even be alerted to an attack. This would eliminate the Vice President and the Pentagon from the decision-making process. Nonetheless, there are still plans in place that would enable the U.S. to launch a retaliatory strike.
Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 2 2024 10:39 utc | 387
Last month: https://www.afgsc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3795367/minuteman-iii-test-launch-showcases-readiness-of-us-nuclear-forces-safe-effecti/#:~:text=%2D%2D-,A%20joint%20team%20of%20Air%20Force%20Global%20Strike%20Command%20Airmen,Vandenberg%20Space%20Force%20Base%2C%20California.

Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 3 2024 11:50 utc | 398

Posted by: Milites | Jul 2 2024 20:46 utc | 396
Do remember that there is nothing on your bookshelves that even pretends to be a report from the conflict that is the subject of this thread. Objectivity is not argument from authority, study history, turn of phrase, a commission, or confirmation of the preconceived. It shouldn’t become advisable for anyone to have to make these points to you.
A more civil tone would be a plus but you shouldn’t make a big deal about it, you having made quite a spectacle of yourselves goading Bevin into thread-filling arguments along with your lithium-depleted colleagues. If there was a better use of your time you would have been put to that rather than skutwork for Awkward Squad and fantasists.
If you were an exception to that rule you’d have already given a better account of yourself.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 4 2024 6:20 utc | 399