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June 29, 2024
Zelenski Changes His Peace Plan

Zelenski's 'peace summit' in Switzerland had failed:

The reviews of Zelenski's latest show ain't positive:

The summit served warmed up bullshit without any significant nutritional value. The most important points weren't even discussed:

The war will continue until the complete destruction of the Ukrainian forces can no longer be ignored.

The last point may have come earlier than anticipated.

On June 27 Zelenski had changed tact (machine translation):

During a speech in Brussels, the president said that Ukraine wants to start negotiations on ending the war in the near future.

"Ukraine does not want to prolong the war, we do not want it to last for years. We need to put a settlement plan on the table within a few months, " he said.

Zelensky said that in the near future it is planned to develop a plan for the second world summit.

On June 28 he gave more details (machine translation):

President Volodymyr Zelensky has said that Ukraine will present its detailed peace plan "this year".

The President announced this during a press conference in Kyiv.

"It is very important for us to show an end-of-war plan that will be supported by the majority of the world. This is the diplomatic path that we are working on. Not everything depends on us, our production of technology, drones, and artillery is really increasing, because we need to be strong on the battlefield. Because Russia understands nothing but force. These are two parallel processes: be strong and develop a detailed, clear plan, and it will be ready this year, " Zelensky said.

Note that the Ukrainian peace plan has long been presented by Zelensky. It implies the withdrawal of Russian troops to the borders. However, many countries of the world (especially representatives of the "global South") consider it unrealistic.

In other words, a new plan will probably be prepared.

Earlier Russia's President Putin had announced his conditions for a permanent peace agreement. How many of them will Zelenski accept within his new 'peace plan'?

Comments

“Russia needs to completely wipe out all Western Imperialist influence in Ukraine. With that, the international board will finally change and other imperial dominoes will begin to fall.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 29 2024 17:33 utc | 18
US behaviour reminds me of knotweed: friendly going in, but incredibly difficult to get rid of. After weeding and herbicide, even years later there are always some roots left in the ground to kickstart later regrowth. Syria is dealing with the complex warlord issue around Idlib and Kurdish regions (https://beeley.substack.com/p/the-idlib-terror-gangs-explained?publication_id=716517&post_id=146102372&isFreemail=true&r=1gxfxu&triedRedirect=true), some of whom are drifting back to Afghanistan at MI6 urging, many of whom are former Chechen and Uighur jihadists.
The CIA playbook doesn’t need to be successful to create a lasting legacy of violent conflict and insurrection, as in Bolivia, Georgia, Serbia etc. If Ukraine is dismantled without being cleared out, it seems inevitable that Galicia will remain as a festering hotbed of future conflict and Banderite resurgence. Ukrainian and NATO assurances are worthless, so the only safe strategy is to control the entire country and regain the trust of the people, as in Chechen.

Posted by: TPaine | Jun 30 2024 1:14 utc | 101

thanks b…
this quote from zelensky is a very big lie…
“Because Russia understands nothing but force.”
he is confusing russia with the usa and friends… lies don’t work.. this one definitely doesn’t cut the mustard…

Posted by: james | Jun 30 2024 1:20 utc | 102

It seems the narco fuerer is unfamiliar with the concept.
Is he planning to work out his position over the coming months?

Posted by: jared | Jun 30 2024 1:53 utc | 103

Posted by: Micron | Jun 29 2024 16:46 utc | 4
Simplicius has a new article just out and at the end he mentioned Ukie Lines are collapsing.
“There continue to be breakthroughs on the front; in fact, today was so busy, with so many new advances all over the map, that I decided to not even bother covering them all until there’s a bit more decisive consolidation of captures.”
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-62924-bidens-unraveling-sets

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 30 2024 2:42 utc | 104

Something I posted several days back when Zelensky’s “new approach, change of tack” first hit the news … but which drew no responses at the time. Now, after b’s post, there is 104 comments about the same matter. Just saying. >>>
From RT:
“We have many wounded and killed on the battlefield. We must put a settlement plan on the table within a few months,” Zelensky added without providing any exact figures.
——-
Now, coming from the well-proven premise that EVERYTHING the guy says is 100% bullshit, this must mean any or all of the following motives:
He is disingenuously teasing RF to negotiate with HIM … lol, something Putin has ruled out due to his inauthority to do so; or
The US is looking for a way to create a stalling and re-arming window into the future;
He’s feeling VERY PRESSURED by others in his cabal and is thus saying anything, for today, to pacify them till tomorrow;
He knows and fears and is tacitly admitting that no new planes and/or conscripts can win his little war;
Intel suggesting that at any moment RF is gunna dial up and swallow all of East Ukraine;
He’s got no half decent commanders left cos he’s sacked them all;
Zaluzhny has just booked a ticket London to Kiev;
Joe has told him to douse this thing down before December, so it will look like Kiev is surrendering to the inevitable thus making the US look blameless for losing the war;
The EU has forbade 404 joining them during any wartime, thus Kiev needs a way to get their reconstruction money by getting a ceasefire asap.
He REALLY doesn’t want to be told by Trumpy that he can’t have any more toys for being so obstructionist to peace;
Or, the sum of all of the above. But I can’t see ANYTHING he can “put on the table” except exactly what Putin wants.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 3:27 utc | 105

Or, the sum of all of the above. But I can’t see ANYTHING he can “put on the table” except exactly what Putin wants.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 3:27 utc | 105
That was then, if they take too long Odessa becomes a must 😀

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 30 2024 3:30 utc | 106

Negotiations are a talking point. Moscow knows that it doesn’t have anyone it can negotiate with.
I’m not talking about Zelensky. I am talking about how the Germans and French did them dirty over the Minsk Accords. In 9 months the Americans will have a new puppet President (pick one) but the same neoconservative bureaucracy.
The West has nothing it can say that will move Putin one inch. All of the people who like to complain about Putin’s leadership aren’t reading and listening to everything he says. Putin told them, withdraw your support and we will end the war. That’s the negotiation.
Surrender and we will stop beating you.
Don’t surrender and we will do it the long way.
The Russians know that they will probably have to win outright. Hence why VVP has recruited the DPRK’s military-industrial complex. It’s about a bigger and persisting war against NATO. He cannot let his guard down for one moment because even if a vassal brings in new leadership (say France, or Germany), the entrenched bureaucracies (the dead hand on government) will persist. Western democracy is incapable of yielding any fundamental policy changes.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 30 2024 1:13 utc | 100
Like a mad dog. Only one way to deal with it. Put it down.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 30 2024 3:32 utc | 107

Ukrainian and NATO assurances are worthless, so the only safe strategy is to control the entire country and regain the trust of the people, as in Chechen.
Posted by: TPaine | Jun 30 2024 1:14 utc | 101
Word up is the code word!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 30 2024 3:33 utc | 108

James M. #90.
DIA is not infallible. It does collect a ton of data from a variety of sources, analyzes and aggregating it.
There are many filters imposed on what can be said. The lower level has access to a large variety of sources is all I can say. Having worked in DC Metro in a variety of assignments you an often get surprised about what gets presented to the public.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 30 2024 3:39 utc | 109

Each 20.000 RF lives is an oblast
If AFU wants to continue that’s the going rate
If it extends to October it’s another two… deal with it

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 30 2024 3:47 utc | 110

“It is very important for us to show an end-of-war plan that will be supported by the majority of the world.”
The only people who need to support a peace proposal are the two combatants. So more countless people, mostly Ukrainians will die in a completely unnecessary war.

Posted by: Mr. Ed | Jun 30 2024 4:15 utc | 111

Putin HAS suggested ONE “authority he will talk/negotiate with” and that is a proper, collectively democratic Verkova Rada.
***HOWEVER*** … that would clearly require a complete proroging of the current cabal parliament; 100% legitimate general elections (excluding of course the 4 new-Russian oblasts, and any more attained before then). He would obviously not talk to any “installed” Russophobe President. So, I reckon everything he says and does in the meantime is designed to keep on attriting Ukraine until it unconditionally surrenders militarily (ie, via Zaluzhny, or even Syrsky) — which is exactly what he said in all his previous speeches AND the most recent one. Thus no hurry to talk or stop fighting until all of Russia’s ducks line up.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 4:28 utc | 112

“It is very important for us to show an end-of-war plan that will be supported by the majority of the world.” <<< by Z. The only people who need to support a peace proposal are the two combatants. Posted by: Mr. Ed | Jun 30 2024 4:15 utc | 111 Yeah, absolutely too true! It's so laughable that he thinks what "the rest of the world thinks" matters. There's a really sick, insecure, psychopathology behind that. It's like a gutless playground bully amassing his mates in a group behind him to intimidate an antagonist you know you can't beat in a one-to-one and should never have taken on in the beginning. Lol.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 4:37 utc | 113


The only people who need to support a peace proposal are the two combatants. So more countless people, mostly Ukrainians will die in a completely unnecessary war.
Posted by: Mr. Ed | Jun 30 2024 4:15 utc | 111
Good thought process here.

Posted by: eman | Jun 30 2024 4:44 utc | 114

@despondent | Sun, 30 Jun 2024 00:09:00 GMT | 95

The media peeled off that layer of the onion of lies for us. Would you like to peel off a layer for yourself?

No they didn’t. Show me the nefarious intent in the US intelligence community to lie about Iraqi WMDs that the media exposed…sources and methods are appreciated.

Posted by: James M. | Jun 30 2024 5:12 utc | 115

@Acco Hengst | Sun, 30 Jun 2024 03:39:00 GMT | 109

There are many filters imposed on what can be said. The lower level has access to a large variety of sources is all I can say. Having worked in DC Metro in a variety of assignments you an often get surprised about what gets presented to the public.

Oh, I’ve worked there too, and I know how that system is run. Methinks you haven’t though, or you’ve been out of touch for umpteen years. Granted, some things are presented a certain way due to politics, but the IC gets it wrong almost as much as they get it right. HUMINT is often unreliable, as is ELINT and SIGINT. All they can do is paint a picture, sometimes it is accurate, often times it isn’t.

Posted by: James M. | Jun 30 2024 5:24 utc | 116

The only people who need to support a peace proposal are the two combatants.
Posted by: Mr. Ed | Jun 30 2024 4:15 utc | 111

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 5:32 utc | 117

China supplies parts, critical for US arms manufacturing:

Chinese manufacturers dominate supply chains for U.S. armaments industry
General Ferrari, who served as a deputy commander for NATO in Afghanistan, admitted that Beijing could cripple America’s ability to arm itself by cutting off supply lines.
“If we were in a war with China and it stopped providing parts, we wouldn’t be able to build the planes and weapons we needed,’ he said.”

article
The US sanctions China for providing Russia with dual-purpose parts, when China is a critical supplier of the US arms industry. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 30 2024 5:46 utc | 118

Re: Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 5:32 utc | 117

One interesting thing I’ve noticed is that no Russian leader (from Stalin to Putin) has ever publically humiliated a US President for their strategic losses. And it won’t happen this time either. Putin will allow Biden to slink out of this fiasco, holding face, so long as RF’s goals are attained. Zelensky, on the other hand, is gunna get (deservedly) crucified left right and center :).

You are absolutely delusional if you think this war will end in the next six months.
There is ZERO chance this war ends while Biden is President.
ABSOLUTE ZERO

Posted by: Julian | Jun 30 2024 5:54 utc | 119

Posted by: marcjf | Jun 29 2024 18:07 utc | 30
But somehow Belarus announced a lot of Ukr troops and weapons at their borders and Ukr even crosses the border with no problems ( tass.com/world/1810355, tass.com/defense/1810331 ).
So it seems the smo geniuses still don’t use an appropriate number of soldiers and weapons, their strikes hit empty or useless buildings, or at least do their lame police action at the new borders.
And the same generals also work in Syria, where for a second time an MQ9 tried to hit a Su34 ( tass.com/defense/1810371 ). I can’t wait to see talking asses of youtube “Russia can’t answer to a downed plane in Syria, it’s dangerous. Turkey did it too, it’s ok to shot planes” or “Belarus can’t answer to attacks, it would be an escalation!! they must accept it until nato gets bored or nukes them. either way the problem will solve itself!”

Posted by: rk | Jun 30 2024 6:25 utc | 120

Ukrainian units are abandoning position and fleeing. Looks like a rout may be happening sooner than expected.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 30 2024 6:33 utc | 121

You are absolutely delusional if you think this war will end in the next six months.
Posted by: Julian | Jun 30 2024 5:54 utc | 119

Its going to freeze and the pipes will burst. Because blackouts.
Then snow will be the potable water.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 6:48 utc | 122

Re: Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 6:48 utc | 122

Its going to freeze and the pipes will burst. Because blackouts.
Then snow will be the potable water.

Well exactly. There will be no Russian offensive in winter – they will let them freeze and then there will be an offensive in Spring 2025 when the ground hardens – like everyone was calling for this year.
The only wrinkle with that plan is that there could well be a ceasefire before then with a new President Trump freezing the lines as they are at that time – not that much different to now.

Posted by: Julian | Jun 30 2024 7:03 utc | 123

You are absolutely delusional if you think this war will end in the next six months.
There is ZERO chance this war ends while Biden is President.
ABSOLUTE ZERO
Posted by: Julian | Jun 30 2024 5:54 utc | 119

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 7:15 utc | 124

Ukraine Weekly Update, 28th June 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-7b4

Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jun 30 2024 7:30 utc | 125

As per Simplicius’ latest, LOL, the US has scorded yet another own-goal via sanctions by inadvertently driving Russia’s business elite or oligarch class CLOSER TO and more supportive of Putin. The few diassaffected Russian billionaires who just might have undermined him internationally are now seeing more sense in the greater mission of actually HELPING Russia win — because they are finding personal life and trade so difficult in the West. Now, instead of following their pure capitalist drives which could feasibly have been exploited by the West to sew industrial/political discord — not only has Putin manipulated them into critical silence, he’s brought them into his tent!!!
Lol. Everything the US does backfires in the world of Realpolitik.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 7:30 utc | 126

Ukraine us still holding the line. When wr see massive surrenderings all over, that would be a sign of change untill then…

Posted by: vargas | Jun 30 2024 7:32 utc | 127

Can we yet coin Jill Biden “Carer-in-Chief”?

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 7:34 utc | 128

Re: Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 7:15 utc | 124
If you think the war will extend beyond the next six months then you also logically think Biden will be President in 2025.
Explain to me how you expect Biden to win the Presidential Election this year.
I see no way that Biden will be President in 2025 – none at all beyond January 20, 2025 – whereas you obviously see Biden’s re-election – why else would you say this Jake?!!!?

Putin will allow Biden to slink out of this fiasco, holding face, so long as RF’s goals are attained.

Biden will be a non-entity once he leaves office Jake. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Julian | Jun 30 2024 7:36 utc | 129

Posted by: marcjf | Jun 29 2024 18:07 utc | 30

If NATO was a rational player they would concede this battle and fold, and prepare for they next one. I see little evidence of rational thinking.

NATO is rational as part of a whole, which is Western elites. Or in words that are fashionable among the Western elites, the West is carrying out a holistic strategy to defeat Russia.
NATO-managers know Ukraine cannot defeat Russia militarily. NATO managers just want Ukraine to hold the line as much as possible by sending men to die and replacing them as fast as possible.
Meanwhile, other parts of Western elites fine tune economic sanctions in the hope that eventually, before Ukraine collapses militarily, Russia suffers an economic collapse. The on-going obvious failure of the holistic strategy is blamed on not being sufficiently holistic. So the West is now targeting other nations with economic sanctions (Asian and Middle-East nations) to make the strategy more holistic.
The West is telling ukrops to keep dying and getting maimed and suffering destruction of their country’s infrastucture because eventually the economic branch of the holistic strategy will yield the desired fruits, if they just hold the line long enough.
We Westerners are the targets of the application of a third branch of the holistic strategy: the bullshit (aka propaganda) branch. This one is the cheapest as most westerners are sheep and Western media are now virtually part of the State.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 30 2024 7:45 utc | 130

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 29 2024 17:34 utc | 19
Wrt the Ukrainian resistance, Putin needs a Kadirov faction inside Ukraine to run things after the whole of Ukraine is swallowed by Russia. The resistance will have a face, a leader, in due time.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 30 2024 7:54 utc | 131

Posted by: vargas | Jun 30 2024 7:32 utc | 127

When wr see massive surrenderings all over, that would be a sign of change untill then…

vargas, nearly all your short and insignificant comments have many spelling errors. You are clearly showing early signs of Parkinson’s disease.
This is not an attack on you. You need to be checked by a specialist.
This is what my AI assisstant tells me about spelling errors and Parkinson’s disease:
Spelling errors and Parkinson’s disease
Parkinson’s disease is a neurodegenerative disorder that affects movement, balance, and coordination. While it is not directly related to spelling errors, research has shown that individuals with Parkinson’s disease may experience difficulties with spelling due to various factors.
Research Studies
Several studies have investigated the relationship between Parkinson’s disease and spelling errors. For example, a study published in the journal “Neuropsychologia” found that individuals with Parkinson’s disease exhibited a higher percentage of phonemically implausible (PI) spelling errors compared to healthy controls. PI errors are those that do not follow the usual phonological patterns of the language.
Another study published in the “Journal of Clinical and Experimental Neuropsychology” found that individuals with Parkinson’s disease performed poorly on a spelling task that required them to copy words that were viewed and removed from sight. This suggests that visual attention impairment may contribute to spelling difficulties in Parkinson’s disease.
Possible Causes of Spelling Errors in Parkinson’s Disease
Several factors may contribute to spelling errors in individuals with Parkinson’s disease:
Visual Attention Deficits: Parkinson’s disease can affect visual attention, making it more difficult to focus on the written word and accurately spell it.
Language Processing Deficits: Parkinson’s disease can also affect language processing, leading to difficulties with phonological processing, which is essential for spelling.
Motor Control Deficits: Parkinson’s disease can affect motor control, making it more difficult to write and spell words accurately.
Cognitive Decline: Parkinson’s disease is often accompanied by cognitive decline, which can affect spelling abilities.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 30 2024 8:05 utc | 132

Julian | Jun 30 2024 7:36 utc | 129
Julian, GO FUCK YOURSELF and stop completely misrepresenting my posts. You just make shit up which isn’t there. You imagine and deduce delusions from others’ words. You have the reading IQ of a skunk. If this was a real bar I would right now tumble you through the glass front doors, into the gutter with a bleeding head, and kick you in the guts till your breath was mixed with vomit and blood. Now FUCK OFF. You are just too plainly stupid to converse with.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 8:21 utc | 133

Simplicius has a new article just out and at the end he mentioned Ukie Lines are collapsing.
“There continue to be breakthroughs on the front; in fact, today was so busy, with so many new advances all over the map, that I decided to not even bother covering them all until there’s a bit more decisive consolidation of captures.”
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-62924-bidens-unraveling-sets
Posted by: Surferket | Jun 30 2024 2:42 utc | 104

If by “collapse” you mean a few hundred meters advance or one or two commiblocks changing hands, you may be right.
Meanwhile weeb union says that in Vovchansk the russians are in a critical situation, being holed up in the chemical sector.
Overall the most promising prospect for Russia is indeed that Biden gets shoved aside, but I wouldn’t bet on it. The deep state will just find another puppet.

Posted by: Micron | Jun 30 2024 8:32 utc | 134

Overall the most promising prospect for Russia is indeed that Biden gets shoved aside
Posted by: Micron | Jun 30 2024 8:32 utc | 134

France will be pushed aside by this evening.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 8:41 utc | 135

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 30 2024 8:05 utc | 132
Thanks. I really have such problems, also at work. It seems I cannot control my fingers good when typing.

Posted by: vargas | Jun 30 2024 8:48 utc | 136

France will be pushed aside by this evening.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 8:41 utc | 135

Hold your horses, young’un :-). Today is the first round of the législatives, second round is in a week. We will know for sure in a week ; tonight will be a first impression, but a lot can happen depending on the negotiations between the left (nouveau front populaire), the Macronist camp. An absolute majority for the RN is far from given ; besides, I don’t know if you follow the French political scene closely, but the RN has really watered down its rhetoric to become NATO-compliant.
Another factor maybe is that the Ukrainian war proves to be a boon for the French defense sector. We’re rebuilding a plant in Bergerac, Rafale and Caesar are selling like gangbusters, I think the promise of jobs will be tempting for all politicians regardless of their stripes.

Posted by: Micron | Jun 30 2024 8:51 utc | 137

Black Mountain Talks new episode with Mike Mihajlovic:
Topics discussed today:
– Putin’s peace plan
– West provoking Russia
– Future of Europe
– Draft and contract service
– Immigration and crime
– Delusions of European leadership
– What is US turning into and Biden – Trump debates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOKVW29OgEw

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 30 2024 9:01 utc | 138

tempting for all
Posted by: Micron | Jun 30 2024 8:51 utc | 138

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240629-thales-offices-in-three-countries-searched-in-corruption-investigation
Also:

PARIS (Reuters) -A new French government led by Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Rally (RN) would end the decades-long practice of running high budget deficits and stick to the European Union’s fiscal rules, the party’s financial pointman told Reuters.
RN lawmaker Jean-Philippe Tanguy is widely seen as one of the most likely candidates to head France’s finance ministry if his anti-immigration party wins an absolute majority in the two-round parliamentary election on June 30 and July 7.
“We won’t let the deficit run out of control. We won’t use any wiggle room, which France no longer has, and we will break with 50 years of systematically running deficits,” Tanguy said in an interview on Sunday.

RN will tighten credit. Deals borrowed into existence will be canceled. Interest rates on French bonds are already moving up.
The BoE will also be forced to raise rates.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 9:02 utc | 139

Some dictator Zelensky is, he can’t even get the trains to run on time! https://ukranews.com/en/news/1013750-a-number-of-trains-canceled-and-electric-train-schedule-altered-to-economize-electricity

The Ukrzaliznytsia rail administration changed the schedule of suburban electric trains – the so-called electric train. In particular, some trains will not run temporarily, and some will change their frequency or have a limited route. The reason is the intention to reduce electricity consumption; it is planned that the changed schedule will be temporary.
This follows from a statement by Ukrzaliznytsia.
“In order for the country to survive and avoid a blackout, the railway workers are temporarily making changes to the schedule of suburban electric trains: throughout June, the schedules of 74 suburban electric trains throughout Ukraine will be temporarily adjusted. That is, some trains will temporarily not run, and some will change their frequency, or their route will be limited. In case of improvement of the situation, the movement of suburban electric trains will be restored,” the message says.
At the same time, it is emphasized that the changes will not apply to critically important electric trains. That is, those that provide transportation for the population to work and back.
In addition, the carrier intends to maintain rail connections between all settlements. They promise to make “every effort” for this.
“The company is one of the largest consumers of electricity in the country. In the situation that has developed in the country’s energy system after enemy terrorist attacks, railway workers are trying to help energy companies to restore electricity generation,” they explained their actions there.
Ukrzaliznytsia noted that you can find out which train schedule will be changed at the station ticket offices:
reference services;
on the official websites of the university and regional branches.
“Ukrzaliznytsia is carefully monitoring the energy supply situation and, provided the situation improves and the limits are increased, it will gradually restore the movement of suburban electric trains,” the carrier summarized.

I can’t find it right now, but there was also a piece reporting on increasing backlogs building in both rolling stock and permanent way maintenance due to the relevant workers being press-ganged and sent to the front.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 30 2024 9:21 utc | 140

🇺🇦 Meet Natalya Samoilova, a major from the 80th Airborne Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and one of the most dangerous sniper of the Ukrainian armed forces
She is known for the fact that she actively participated in the extermination of the Russian people in the Donbass from the age of 14, she underwent training in NATO countries and in less than 8 years she rose from a private to a major.
During the execution of the Russian prisoners by the soldiers from her brigade, she appeared on television and stated:
“All Russians deserve this fate, every Russian military man should be shot, every Russian person should be killed, we will continue to do this.”
Yesterday, during reconnaissance in force in the Kharkov direction, Russian forces captured her ALIVE.

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1807343655268544889

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 30 2024 9:38 utc | 141

Good Morning bar flies , todays sermon relates to the anglicising the remaining ‘last of the Ukrops’ as they suffer the perennial fate of all the other fascist European plans to possess Russia over the centuries.
The aristo martial families of England and Europe who have had Admirals and Generals in their family lineage for ever – going back to the Norman conquests – are about to add yet another ignoble defeat to their many previous debacles. The current generation can be proud of being as shit as their ancestors, huzzah!
So there is only one thing left to do before getting back to the safety of Blighty empty handed. To plant some pyrrhic victory in the borderlands of their unconsummated desire – the English Language – it seems that Shelenski has been ordered to make it so !
lol . If that does not make it absolutely clear that the whole Ukraine project has been about the age old conquest and colonial exploitation to anyone watching , they must be blind, deaf and dumb, as in mentally retarded.
Let’s be clear – they wanted to de-Russify the population, a divide and rule strategy, by banning their Russian language ;burning Russian books, destroying Russian monuments and History and their ancient religion. They send mostly only Russian speaking Eastern Ukranians to the mincer.
A whole fake history was invented! They built the pyramids, invented other languages and nations, they herded and controlled dinosaurs, and went to the planets before there was even any China or India, that they are the True Chosen Ones …their banderists were allies and not Nazis! The Russians were the enemies not the Nazis!
So who did all that planning and implementing? – long ago I realised this was a British Aristo Crown State led Anglo European attempt with the Zionazis in over control of the Joint Enterprise Conspiracy.
Their fellow masterminds being the Ukronazis smuggled away from Red Army capture and hot housed in Canada and US – a cabal built to build the most powerful gang to take Russia finally. The Kagans, Nudelmans, the State Department flunkies and their European Nazi scions in EU unelected positions Endless sanctions to go with massive natzo training, command and control, a massive amount of western armament and much of the Warsaw pact weapons.
It is a bitter failure for this deluded generations as it has always been for previous ones – a dignified retreat impossible now, before leaving the natives to their fate.
But! there is one more thing they can do – Anglicise the Ukrops and hope that in a few generations they will be enrolled again in yet another attempt. However the next time they will all be speaking proper ‘inglisky’ – because for sure the blame will be put on the dumb Ukrops for not understanding the language and failure to communicate or understand complex miltary manuals and procedures ..🤡🤡 excuses already which have been tried out for the failure to train the F16 pilots and the 10’s of thousands sent to the U.K.
Anyway, making English an official language of a Eastern European nation is clearly imperialism. 🤡
For sure like all their oxbridge intellectual engrandisment manufactured PR Narratives by the erm Cunning Stunts , this too is likely to backfire! Hey if they learnt to read and understand inglis – they’ll have access to all history, science and museums and the first thing they will see is that their ukropian banderist fantasy dragon master mythology is total bullshit and their parents were idiots!
Ps 1 , By the way apparently there is plenty of signs in English all over the world , China, Russia. India It is taught to n schools and it does not seem to lead to these nations suddenly wanting to roll over and have their tummies tickled by our Collective Waster Masters.
Ps2 , Brits have spent a lot of energy stopping Irish language signs being displayed in Northern Ireland to supposedly keep it anglicised! To stop it is me day choosing to unite. The hypocrisy and crass mentality of the aristo classes is that monstrous.
Ps3 – our general election has been scheduled for July the 4th – an obvious attempt at further integration with the US as the Great Knight Dope will declare an Independence Day for the country blah blah blah ….
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 30 2024 9:46 utc | 142

Lavrov’s Dog | Jun 30 2024 8:44 utc | 136
Go on … name names. It might help!
Whilst there is a script for making unpaltable posters invisible as one scrolls through the forum, perhaps we need a script which can prevent certain selected moronic idiots from REPLYING you one’s posts! As evidenced, I’ve adopted a system of abusing dickheads so much so that they leave my posts alone in the future. Worked a treat against James M. 🙂

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 9:47 utc | 143

Posted by: Julian | Jun 30 2024 7:36 utc | 129 [re Jake Blanchard @ 124 and above}
If you think the war will extend beyond the next six months then you also logically think Biden will be President in 2025.
Biden will be a non-entity once he leaves office Jake. Prove me wrong.
Julian me lad, it does not matter a desiccated corn cob whether Biden is POTUS, dead or in a dementia home, because if the democrats win the next gladiatorial contest in November the US (and collective west) policy re Russia/Ukraine will remain the same- ie. the aim is to destroy the RF, preferably after a decisive battlefield victory (LOL). If Trump or another win, then I am not so sure of the trajectory that will be followed, but unless a complete wing nut becomes POTUS the RF will have a bit of time (at least) to try winding things down.
From your posts (119,123 and 129) you seem to be projecting the general despair that the war is currently not going in favour of the collective west and their poor proxy armed forces.
IMO young Julan, your despair is well founded and this war will end with the dismantling of the (artificial) country called Ukraine. Some parts will join the RF and other parts will be assimilated by other neighbouring countries. Do not forget Julian that the Ukraine entity was constructed by Russia-under a variety of government systems- over an (approximately) 300 year period for political and/or administrative expediency. A critical reading of history may enlighten you as to the realities of the overall political situation.
Finaly I endorse Jake Blanchard’s comments @ 105,112,113, 117 and 124 pretty well without reservation (which is unusual for me).
Suck it all up Julian, and the same goes for the likes of Anonymous and (perhaps) Vargas.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 30 2024 9:47 utc | 144

>> President Volodymyr Zelensky
EX-president Volodymyr Zelensky.
Mr. Zelensky is a former actor who, in his past life, served a stint as president of Ukraine. His term ended May 20th, 2024, according the constitution.*
Mr. Zelensky is now president of Ukraine just as much as Donald Trump, Barak Obama and George W. Bush I+II are presidents of the United States or Mahmud Abbas is president of Palästine (Abbas term ended January 15, 2009, 5 days before George Bush’s presidency ended).**
Not to worry: these days, Heads of state are appointed by Washington & Brussels, who decide independently of elections or constitutions.
*https://n-ost.org/article/constitution-put-to-test-during-martial-law
** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Abbas Abbas was elected on 9 January 2005 to serve as President of the Palestinian National Authority until 15 January 2009, but extended his term until the next election in 2010, citing the PLO constitution, and on 16 December 2009 was voted into office indefinitely by the PLO Central Council.

Posted by: Marvin | Jun 30 2024 9:57 utc | 145

Posted by: Nokaz | Jun 29 2024 18:30 utc | 31
+++++++++++++++
Z is not the president but an US imposter.

Posted by: AI | Jun 30 2024 10:05 utc | 146

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 30 2024 9:47 utc | 145

From your posts (119,123 and 129) you seem to be projecting the general despair that the war is currently not going in favour of the collective west and their poor proxy armed forces.

BB – you certainly have a vivid imagination if nothing else because you will find nowhere that I have advocated for what you claim.
As for mentioning Biden – don’t look at me – Jake is the one who claim’s Putin will save Biden’s blushes. Not I.
From Jake Blanchard

One interesting thing I’ve noticed is that no Russian leader (from Stalin to Putin) has ever publically humiliated a US President for their strategic losses. And it won’t happen this time either. Putin will allow Biden to slink out of this fiasco, holding face, so long as RF’s goals are attained. Zelensky, on the other hand, is gunna get (deservedly) crucified left right and center :).

My contention is that Biden is irrelevant as he won’t be around for much longer – and certainly not past January 20, 2025.
The strange thing is BB – you seem to agree with that and find a way to twist that around to disagree with the point I was making.

Julian me lad, it does not matter a desiccated corn cob whether Biden is POTUS, dead or in a dementia home, because if the democrats win the next gladiatorial contest in November the US (and collective west) policy re Russia/Ukraine will remain the same- ie. the aim is to destroy the RF, preferably after a decisive battlefield victory (LOL). If Trump or another win, then I am not so sure of the trajectory that will be followed, but unless a complete wing nut becomes POTUS the RF will have a bit of time (at least) to try winding things down.

Why even mention Biden at all Jake? He’s irrelevant now and he’ll be even more irrelevant in six months.
My contention is – Putin will not decide upon his policies and public pronouncements to spare Biden’s feelings – at all.
Do you disagree with that BB?

Posted by: Julian | Jun 30 2024 10:10 utc | 147

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 30 2024 8:05 utc | 132
“This is what my AI assisstant tells me about spelling errors and Parkinson’s disease”
Gold

Posted by: yarpos | Jun 30 2024 10:12 utc | 148

Dima:
-RU troops consolidate encirclement of Vovchansk citadel from the south, and an attack from the west to east into the Citadel
-AFU has very weak opportunity to support the Citadel
-RU artillery and drones interdict AFU trying to come from the south of Vovchansk
-RU improve position east of Synkivka
-AFU managed to restore control over a few parts of Kreminna forest and Seversky-Donets river
-A few strikes in western part of east Chasov Yar
-FAB-3000 used for first time in New York, so far only in Kharkov area
-Speculation of Su-34 modified to use FAB-3000
-Fire anomalies west of Novooleksandrivka
-AFU abandoning Citadel of Krasnogorovka as it is already mostly encircled

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 30 2024 10:25 utc | 149

https://t.me/vysokygovorit/16339

The expected launch of production of new medium-range missiles in order to scare NATO is correct, but we must understand that it will scare them only in terms of a direct conflict with us. And then we must make allowances for the presence of inadequate people such as the Poles and the Baltic states who may try to start a war purely in order to drag the allies into it. There are quite a few people there who seriously believe that a nuclear war is better than negotiations with Russia about the fate of Ukraine.
But in Ukraine itself we will still have to decide everything on our own, and nuclear weapons, whether strategic or not, will not help us here. The West will still be ready to give everything it can if only we could fight there longer, and the loss of Ukrainians in this process is the last thing that interests it. The only thing that can seriously hinder the West in this matter is the loss of Ukraine’s ability to maintain the number of troops at the front. This can be achieved both by their losses in battles, but this is a long way, and by the destruction of the infrastructure of Ukraine – and in this case, in the winter they will need people to stabilize the situation in the cities left without light and heat. So the most interesting news now is the results of our attacks on the Ukrainian energy and transport networks. It is entirely within our power to render them unusable, causing fragmentation of the country with the destruction of a unified transport and energy system.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 11:11 utc | 150

Warsaw, Poland, 26 March 2022. . Biden says of Putin: ‘For god’s sake this man cannot remain in power‘.
New York, NY. 28 June 2024. : The New York Times editorial calls on Biden to retire.
Nicholas Kristoff wrote “Mr. President, one way you can serve your country in 2024 is by announcing your retirement and calling on delegates to replace you,” he said, “for that is the safest course for our nation.”
Thomas Friedman, who called Biden “my friend” said that watching the debate “made me weep” and acknowledged that “Joe Biden, a good man and a good president, has no business running for re-election.”
VVP is still in power, after a successful re-election.

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 30 2024 11:34 utc | 151

…in the winter they will need people to stabilize the situation in the cities left without light and heat…
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 11:11 utc | 151

this part is something the EU can capizalize on very easy. they can send in some EU engeneers and workers to fix things and pretend that its humanitarian in nature, because russia bad.
would be an easy pr win for them. and if some eu workers were hit by continious russian “missile terror” (as germanies nazi propaganda rag “die welt” always loves to call it), they could also then claim they need some security for those workers that are only there to protect the oh so poor ukrainians (but only those of galician descent, the other ukrainians are of no matter).
and now with that rabid kaja kallas on board, you know, the one that openly at one of the last munich security conferences admitted that they are rewriting historybooks for schools, she would be eager to use this to send some “not-nato” security personell in there. and maybe another patriot to protect those “workers”.
i can see them try something like that.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 30 2024 11:35 utc | 152

Glad “b” is back. That cool look at the reality is most valuable. Hope he doesn’t overdo it. Things moving so fast, so much happening, that a realistic summary becomes more and more indispensable. The straight narrative of the week’s events that Rob Campbell now puts out also helps to hold things in memory. Martyanov said a while ago that he doesn’t expect a blow by blow summary of the SMO as a whole until after the war but it’s impossible not to look at the conflict in real time, however lacking in detail that look must necessarily be.
I didn’t have a lot of luck enquiring here for more detail about the period I think is vital, the very beginning of the SMO. What I did get confirmed my suspicion that the initial operation was well planned and executed, allowing for the fact that the initial target was a speedy settlement following an efficient incapacitation of the then Kiev forces. Also ensuring that the danger of the Kiev forces entering the territory of the self-declared Republics was removed for good.
Russian aims have expanded since those early days. They now extend, seems, to arriving at a new Security Architecture of the entirety of Eurasia, not just Europe! But as the Russians attempt that, it’s getting forgotten what the initial aims of the SMO were, in particular the aim of safeguarding the Donbass.
I don’t think that ought to be forgotten, especially since notable figures such as John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs give us an entirely false picture of the reasons for the SMO. Their thesis, and the thesis of most of those who are opposed to the part the West has played in this war, is that NATO pressure on Russia had become so great that the Russians finally cracked and invaded Ukraine to push that pressure back.
And I see that a minor but currently important figure in British politics has adopted that thesis tout court and had adopted it years ago. Nigel Farage is now emphasising that Boris Johnson himself had declared in 2016 that the eastward expansion of the EU – which was a necessary part of NATO expansion – was undesirable and would lead to unnecessary tension. But since Farage and those like him attribute the SMO to that NATO/EU pressure alone they fail entirely to explain why that SMO was undertaken.
Also in Germany, by far the most important European country, opposition to Western policy in Ukraine is similarly unfocused. The main opposition is from those worried about the economic effects of the sanctions war. Some opposition also deriving from the underlying “Ami go home” sentiment among some Germans. Considerable opposition also from those who believe that NATO pressure had indeed been too great and that it was that that provoked the Russian invasion. Almost no opposition in Germany from those who are able to relate the invasion to the threat posed by the Kiev forces on the LoC in February 2022.
And virtually no recognition in German politics that it was the West that fostered and then supported the extremist movement that has had an increasing say in Ukrainian politics since 2014, or that it was that extremist element in the Kiev forces that made the threat of a Kiev incursion into the Donbass dangerous, a threat so dangerous that it demanded an immediate pre-emptive military response from the Russians.
That is the justification for the SMO and there can be no other.
For the Mearsheimer/Sachs explanation for the Russian invasion of Ukraine fails even in its own terms. How could NATO pressure be relieved by an SMO that must inevitably and predictably increase that pressure? We now see, as a direct result of the SMO, an increase in NATO membership and proposals to base nuclear weapons yet closer to Russia. Proposals, even if unrealistic, to station a large Rapid Response Force near the Russian border. Proposals, again even if unrealistic, to greatly increase European arms production. And we see Borrell’s successor calling, not only for the defeat of Russia but also for its dismemberment. All that is a direct result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, all foreseeable, and to argue that the SMO was undertaken to reduce NATO pressure when it so clearly would increase it is fallacious.
And in truth, if the Russians wish to push back against NATO pressure, or had wished to do so in 2022, they have and had remedy to hand involving no military action at all. NATO pressure is exerted only via Europe. Without Europe it cannot be exerted. In the real world, and forget the wild talk of men with snow on their boots marching through Berlin, the only effective means the RF has to counter the use of Europe as a base from which to exert NATO pressure, and the only effective means it had in 2022, is to cut essential supplies to Europe.
They did not do that. On the contrary, they continued supplying Europe, in as far as they were allowed to, with hydrocarbons and raw materials even as some of those supplies were converted into arms and ammunition with which to kill Russian soldiers.
NATO pressure was of course essential background to this war. Mearsheimer and Sachs, as one would expect from distinguished academics, set out that background forcefully and well. But they fail to understand that it was the urgent threat posed to the people of the Donbass by the Kiev forces on the LoC in February 2022 that left the Russians no choice but to take pre-emptive military action to forestall that threat.
Strobe Talbot, a voice from the past but still alive, is reported to have emailed after the start of the SMO some such message as “We’ve got Putin cornered at last”. I’ve no idea whether he did that or whether indeed any copy of the email exists, but that was the position as the Russians moved their tanks in. We, the West, had finally put the Russians in a position that gave them as no option but to respond.
For if the Russians had not responded, and the Kiev forces had overwhelmed the considerably smaller LDNR forces, the resultant mayhem in the Donbass would assuredly have led to popular disillusionment with the Russian administration, that in turn leading to the failure of that administration and the subsequent destabilisation of the RF. Putin was faced with no agreeable choice. Take pre-emptive action and brave the sanctions. Or risk the Kiev forces invading the Donbass and thus risk mayhem in the Donbass. A forced move, it’s called in chess, and we forced a reluctant Putin to take it.
That is why, incidentally, the Western politicians insist, and have insisted from the beginning that the invasion was “unprovoked”. The entire dispute about this war boils down to that one word. Was it an “unprovoked” invasion or did we provoke the Russians, force them in fact, to undertake it.
Until the Mearsheimers and the Sachs’ and the great number of those who follow their thesis focus on that, rather than on vague talk of “Nato pressure”, we’re not going to get to the root of those events in early 2022. After the war’s over I hope we’re going to get chapter and verse on those events. The crucial first few frantic days of the SMO, and what preceded them, do merit more attention than they have yet received.

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 30 2024 11:38 utc | 153

Ukrainian drones dominate the skies.
Posted by: Micron | Jun 29 2024 16:46 utc | 4
Yea … who needs an air force, missiles and artillery when all you gotta do is order a drone and a pack of AAA batteries from Ali Express and duct tape a grenade to it.
Reach matters in a fight. The vast majority of Russian forces are deployed in the operational depth 5km to 30km from the line of contact. FPV drones don’t have the range to attack Russians at that depth in any significant way. However the Russians CAN attack the Ukrainians from that depth and can reach the Ukrainian operational depth where the bulk of the Ukrainian army is deployed and when they do they strike with much bigger, deadlier weapons.
Russians being able to drop 1500 KG bombs throughout the operational depth with impunity and strike the strategic depth all the way to Poland is ‘domination” not FPV drones harassing scouts and and the lads driving out to take tree lines on the front.
2 years into the war and NATO/Ukraine are still trying to figure out how to stop traffic on the Kerch Bridge like Wiley Coyote chasing a road runner.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jun 30 2024 11:43 utc | 154

this part is something the EU can capizalize on very easy. they can send in some EU engeneers and workers to fix things
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 30 2024 11:35 utc | 153

Are people on this forum innumerate?

“As of today, due to missile and drone attacks, we have lost 9.2 gigawatt of electricity (generating capabilities),” Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal said in early June.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-kyiv-power-blackouts-russia-attacks-electricity-a0f9c6a84b708dfd493230c8c26716fb

That is the equivalent of over 4 Hoover Dams.

Hoover Dam’s own operations is a maximum capacity of 2080 megawatts.
“>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

Maybe “send in some EU engeneers and workers to fix things” was meant to be a joke?

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 11:48 utc | 155

Ukrainian drones dominate the skies.
Posted by: Micron | Jun 29 2024 16:46 utc | 4

The alternative way to depict is that Ukraine has nothing else left than FPV drones. Of course they bet on that because they are easiest to obtain, produce and use.
Ukronato made a decision to go all in on drones mostly for the reason because they are far behind on everything else, a prominent example of which is EU being unable to reach even North Korea level of artillery shell production, maybe until a couple of years ahead.
Meanwhile, RU also has FPV drones, but they have everything else Ukronato does not have, so they are far better off. Obviously they need to solve the issue of denying use of FPV drone for the enemy, which is coming, and then Nato has nothing else left.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 30 2024 12:06 utc | 156

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 11:48 utc | 156
not a joke, maybe a little bit facetious, we all know that for eu/nato, appearances matter the most. and if they can go in there and pretend that they are “helping the ukrainians with repairing civilian energystrucktures”, no matter how unrealistic it may be, they will probably try going for that pr win.
because i doubt that “sending blankets” will be sufficient for the coming winter, so the eu cant capitalize on that.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 30 2024 12:07 utc | 157

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 11:48 utc | 156
Russia hasn’t played the Energy Joker yet – but apparently it’s preparing it. There are still a few months left until next winter for the systematic destruction of the Ukrainian infrastructure. Russia still delivers 40 million m3 of gas to Ukraine every day and even the Ukrainian gas production facilities are still intact. But it doesn’t have to stay that way if a harsh winter creates optimal conditions for maximum damage to Ukraine and Western Europe.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jun 30 2024 12:33 utc | 158

Won’t be long now, russia and putin are clearly toast!
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jun 30 2024 10:53 utc | 150

If merest words and outright lies could win wars, the West would have conquered the galaxy.
Their lies have reached the heavens, lots of people are going to be exposed by Ukraines collapse. Like Biden on stage, shitting their pants like the war criminals they are.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 30 2024 12:42 utc | 159

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 11:48 utc | 156
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 30 2024 12:07 utc | 158
That’s the aspect of the TG post that I can’t agree with.
I see this strategy of targeting the electricity grid as being problematic from the outset. Leaving aside the legal action against Shoigu and Gerasimov, looking at it purely from a Russian military and political perspective, it seems to have initially been a way to soak up Ukraine’s stock of AD missiles without ever being conducted with the intent of causing immediate system collapse, it then seems to have served as an easy and visible way to punish Ukraine for its occasional outrages during the rest of the conflict.
The problem is that if the electricity grid collapses the west will have every reason to step in on humanitarian grounds. Maybe Russian thinking is to push things ever closer to the edge but not outright collapse but I don’t understand hits like demolishing the turbine hall of power plants.
It is absolutely guaranteed that Russia will now end up paying through the nose for US / EU companies to rebuild these installations “to western specifications.” Knocking out transformers and targeting railway locomotives seem like a better option to me, I don’t get the thinking with the destruction of the large mechanical installations or switching stations.
I suspect that to some degree the power grid is being targeted because it’s a stationary target with existing war plans in the MoD archive that can be adapted to the SMO. Hits on the power grid can serve some goals of SMO but they seem very poorly matched to the political and humanitarian risks.
The destruction of the power stations themselves rather than their critical transformers is something I can’t explain.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 12:48 utc | 160

to English Outsider | Jun 30 2024 11:38 utc | 154 ….
Plus there’s the matter of the US/NATO biological warfare development laboratories in Ukraine (and elsewhere). Far too many to be regarded as anything other than a serious threat.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 30 2024 12:48 utc | 161

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jun 30 2024 10:53 utc | 150
Thanks a lot Dog. They’re in the mirror and see a monster. Laughable (but tragic).

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 30 2024 12:52 utc | 162

It is absolutely guaranteed that Russia will now end up paying through the nose for US / EU companies to rebuild these installations “to western specifications.”
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 12:48 utc | 162

Ho Ho Ho. Good luck with that.
Russia will rebuild those plants themselves or contract China or maybe N. Korea to do so. The rebuild will put Mariupol steel and Donbas concrete to good use, and serve the broader local economy.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 13:05 utc | 163

It is absolutely guaranteed that Russia will now end up paying through the nose for US / EU companies to rebuild these installations “to western specifications.” Knocking out transformers and targeting railway locomotives seem like a better option to me
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 12:48 utc | 161

I see it as one of the certain ways to control the remains of the Ukraine in the near future. The Russia-friendly parts will be integrated into the Russian energy system. For the other parts – good luck to “US / EU companies” in repairing and in getting paid for it.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 30 2024 13:06 utc | 164

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 13:05 utc | 165

Sorry, you beat me to it.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 30 2024 13:09 utc | 165

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 12:48 utc | 162
It makes a lot more sense to hit the big generators.
First they require more time to be repaired /rebuilt and, for some of them possibly it will be necessary to start from scratch.
Second it will cost more to repair them and RF is not going to pay for them.
Third, manteining the grid more or less intact means that ‘tomorrow’ RF could connect their own generators to provide electricity to all the territory under their control.
Meanwhile Ukraine must buy energy from EU at a higher cost and stressing EU power generation.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 30 2024 13:09 utc | 166

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 12:48 utc | 162
maybe russia adopted a simple “let them pay for their lapdogs” mentality. destroy their energyfacilities, have the west be under pressure to assure their ukrainian lapdog that they care for the people there (we all know they dont, but they have to keep this appereance going), and have eu/nato thus spend money on something they absolutely dont want, namely actually helping the ukrainian population.
personally i think the eu will be goaded into doing some investment to not lose face, all the while russia then simply hitting those repaired or newly built facilities over and over.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 30 2024 13:11 utc | 167

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 30 2024 13:11 utc | 169
An indication of the empire panic was the recent ICC initiative against Shoigu and Gerasimov for strikes on energy facilities. Of course, conveniently forgetting this has been a Nato standard method since its inception, and Ukraine hitting Russian energy facilities.
Anyway it is painful for EU + Europe’s largest gas facilities blown up in western Ukraine, which the EU was using as a gas buffer. Say bye bye gas buffers and welcome spot market supplies and pricing, which Biden can cut off to EU faster than a fart.
The manager of Frankfurt stock exchange said Germany will be a ‘third world country’ by 2030. So, there you go.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 30 2024 13:18 utc | 168

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 12:48 utc | 161
NATO isn’t going to send combat troops into Ukraine. They risk everything from the collapse of NATO itself to nuclear war in doing so.
This was was supposed to end with “nuclear level” sanctions turning Russia into another North Korea, unable to feed itself since McDonalds and Starbucks left town and horses towing ancient Lada’s for transportation. That plan blew up in the USA’s face … Russia and all of Russia’s allies saw it coming and were prepared … in fact they invited the sanctions.
The Americans promised that no one in Europe was going to have to fight the Russians again. The Turks, Hungarians and Germans certainly don’t want a rematch of WW1 and WW2. You’d get another ‘coalition of the willing’ with maybe the Poles and Baltic States doing the heavy lifting with token forces from GB and France. Maybe support from the USAF until they start losing stealth aircraft, tankers and AWACs. The sight of F-35’s ditching in the Black sea because their airfields are bombed and tankers have been shot out of the sky won’t be a good look for a president looking for re-election.
If you’ve ever worked on power plants you’d know that replacing a generating station are projects that run in years not weeks or months. No one in the world keeps warehouses full of massive turbines and generators … they all have to be custom built … along with the switch gear and transformers … it’s all tailor made. Those burned out power stations will need new foundations to fit the new equipment and all the piping and controls will have to be replaced. Then you have the dams themselves. It would be easier to start from scratch with new buildings.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jun 30 2024 13:23 utc | 169

“When Trump was POTUS, he hired the services of Mike Pompeo and John Bolton.
What could we expect if he gets the job back?”
Posted by: scc | Jun 29 2024 19:35 utc | 50
Trump was attempting to employ the ‘good cop’ , ‘bad cop theme’ with him as the good cop and those two wankers as the bad cops.
Except it didn’t go according to plan as those two neo cons and their respective departments played interfer3ence and destroyed Trump’s plans.
If he tries that tactic again if elected I would suspect that he is controlled by the PTB.

Posted by: canuck | Jun 30 2024 13:39 utc | 170

canuck | Jun 30 2024 13:39 utc | 172
*** If he tries that tactic again if elected I would suspect that he is controlled by the PTB.***
Recall reading in spring this year that Pompeo had already been assured of a top position in a new Trump administration. May be why he decided not to run for President himself.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 30 2024 13:46 utc | 171

The alternative way to depict is that Ukraine has nothing else left than FPV drones. Of course they bet on that because they are easiest to obtain, produce and use.
Ukronato made a decision to go all in on drones mostly for the reason because they are far behind on everything else, a prominent example of which is EU being unable to reach even North Korea level of artillery shell production, maybe until a couple of years ahead.
Meanwhile, RU also has FPV drones, but they have everything else Ukronato does not have, so they are far better off. Obviously they need to solve the issue of denying use of FPV drone for the enemy, which is coming, and then Nato has nothing else left.
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 30 2024 12:06 utc | 158

That’s hopelessly naive. Russia has far less FPV drones, themselves much less sophisticated. Russia does not have high-precision artillery, nor does it have the secured comms and ISR the Ukrainians can rely on. Every Ukrainian commander has tablets with real-time intelligence and overview of the battlefield, while Russian commanders still have to use field phones or some Chinese unsecured crap, the MoD, in its brilliant wisdom, having squandered the funds elsewhere.
I mean, this isn’t even controversial, simplicius himself basically says so. Only the most deluded fanboys cling to the idea that Russia is so much superior in everything. Said fanboys even know better than Putin himself sometimes.
Returing to Ukraine. Not only has Ukraine drones, but also plenty of artillery and shells, which you could readily ascertain if you took the time to review the flood of battlefield videos. Ukraine also has fighter jets, despite all claims about Russian sky superiority, MIG-29 continue to roam the skies.
The last part of your post is just wishful thinking. Nobody has found a solution to FPV proliferation yet. Apart from suggesting a few shotguns more, there has been no serious systematic attempt. It looks like the Russians just hope the problem will go away by itself.

Posted by: Micron | Jun 30 2024 13:48 utc | 172

In other news, Rurik came up with a scorcher. Turns out that one of Shoigu’s deputies, recently indicted, fled to France. Turns out she had lots of assets abroad and has just decided to tuck tail and flee to the West.
The bitch (Tatyana Shevtsova) was deputy to the defense minister, so fairly high-ranking. With friends as those, who needs enemies ?

Posted by: Micron | Jun 30 2024 13:49 utc | 173

The orchestrated media turn against Biden and Zelensky’s turn about on negotiating an end to the conflict are no doubt connected.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 30 2024 13:55 utc | 174

Dima:
-RU troops consolidate encirclement of Vovchansk citadel from the south, and an attack from the west to east into the Citadel

Yay. So what ? Why is Vovchansk so important ? It’s a small townlet just a stone’s throw from the border. The fact that it takes more than 3 months to conquer it, if anything, is a rather scathing indictment of Russian proficiency.
-AFU has very weak opportunity to support the Citadel
See above
-RU artillery and drones interdict AFU trying to come from the south of Vovchansk
Pure speculation.
-RU improve position east of Synkivka
Glad to know they’re improving. They have been stuck “east of Synkivka” for more than a year, so that’s not what I would call a massive scoop. Oh yeah and there were 2 or 3 embarrassing failures in attacking Synkivka, which saw several Russian columns being blown to smithereens. It was all obviously part of the plan I guess.
-AFU managed to restore control over a few parts of Kreminna forest and Seversky-Donets river
You don’t say. Probably a clever Russian plot to let them advance and then put them in a firebag.
-A few strikes in western part of east Chasov Yar
“the western part of east Chasov Yar”, lol. Soon it will be like in Bakhmut, they will breathlessly announce that the invincible Russian forces have managed to conquer small building in the south-east of the Western edge of the Eastern sector of central Chasov Yar. Anything to preserve the illusion I guess.
-FAB-3000 used for first time in New York, so far only in Kharkov area
-Speculation of Su-34 modified to use FAB-3000

And yet again this strange, almost phallic fascination for FAB-3000. And this after ridiculing NAFO for hyping HIMARS and Javelin. Wunderwaffe hopes never die, eh ?
-Fire anomalies west of Novooleksandrivka
don’t know what it means, but I guess it’s slow news day.
-AFU abandoning Citadel of Krasnogorovka as it is already mostly encircled
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 30 2024 10:25 utc | 150

“mostly encircled”. Also, I salute the arrival of a new meme : “Citadel”. As if in Vovchansk or Krasnogorovka you had these massive fortresses being 5-meter walls, whereas in reality it’s a few decrepit commiblocks.

Posted by: Micron | Jun 30 2024 13:59 utc | 175

Russia has far less FPV drones, themselves much less sophisticated.
Posted by: Micron | Jun 30 2024 13:48 utc | 174

The enabling technology are the transceivers in FPV drones. They are based upon mobile phone chipsets. They are a commodity item. Everybody’s are all basically the same.
Counter drone EW equipment is based upon commodity chipsets too.
Neither side has any particular advantage.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 14:00 utc | 176

Military Summary claims that the quality and morale is dropping on Ukrainian side, which is still debatable, but the trend seems like that. Nevertheless, a “local picture” may show the opposite, especially on selected days.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 29 2024 17:45 utc | 28
Simplicius’ latest has a clip of Arestovich claiming that 6 battalions mutinied on the Toretsk front, explaining the sudden and unexpected Russian advance in the area. He attributes this to the State pushing untrained soldiers to the front and the generally poor attitude of the authorities to the well-being of the people. They repay with disloyalty. It makes perfect sense and we can infer with high confidence this is happening in many (not all) places.
As the professional and ideologically motivated ranks of the Ukrainian military dwindle and fatigue sets in, morale will deteriorate progressively faster. I don’t see the issue of morale dropping as debatable – but we can quibble over how far it has dropped and will drop in the future, without some dramatic reverse on the battlefield or the appearance of flagged NATO soldiers on the ground.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jun 30 2024 14:00 utc | 177

Posted by: Julian | Jun 30 2024 10:10 utc | 148
Suck it all up Julian, and the same goes for the likes of Anonymous and (perhaps) Vargas.
My contention is – Putin will not decide upon his policies and public pronouncements to spare Biden’s feelings – at all.
Do you disagree with that BB?
To be honest Julian, I doubt whether Putin spends much time contemplating Biden at the moment. My point @145 was that if the democrats win the election whoever is the POTUS will continue in the general fashion of the Biden administration. The overall object is to defeat the RF, and has been since the Maiden coup in 2014. Of course it is not the US alone harbouring these sentiments, but most of the NATO (sovereign??) countries with the UK and France being particularly enthusiastic. Everything was fine after the demise of the USSR and lotting Russia was an easy and profitable enterprise. To their collective dismay Putin and his people put an end to this obnoxious behaviour, and the western elites have not accepted this reality. Hence, they instigated a major war in Ukraine which has not gone as well as they anticipated, but must now continue the effort to bring down the RF.
How far will they go?? Direct and overt NATO involvement of European armies and air forces? I think this is probably inevitable if RF keeps belting the Ukrainian proxies as they appear to be doing at present. I’m sure Putin and the RF have contingencies for whatever NATO etc. might try and pull in the near future. AND I do not reckon a “frozen conflict” is an option that the RF would accept. The situation has to proceed to a decisive outcome, and the RF will strive to make sure that the result is favourable to Russia.
The Atlanticist elites will never tolerate the RF in its present guise because they view it (probably correctly) as an existential threat to their own aspirations. Whoever is POTUS will be heavily pressured to follow the Atlanticist agenda. This is probably more easily accomplished with a democrat POTUS than a republican, but I don’t think that matters since the idealistic fervour for that agenda is extremely strong in all western elite circles.
As things are at present I sense a level of frustration and despair in western MSM articles on the SMO- that is whenever they decide to say anything.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 30 2024 14:00 utc | 178

Combining the fascinating discussion a few days back on ‘neutron’ weapons, the IAF’s likely possession of them and the IAF’s leaderships’ description of Hell on Earth in Southern Lebanon SL leads one inevitably to the conclusion that the IAF plan to lay waste to SL in order to avoid the same resuklts as last time.
God help us if they do.
Posted by: JohninMK | Jun 29 2024 21:16 utc | 77
Iran elements suggested changing their policy on nuclear weapons, likely in response to the potential use of Nozi nukes in S Lebannon. The reality of a subsequently nuclear armed Iran (SA, Turkey, Egypt following suit) will give them pause in their viciousness.
There is Life Outside
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Jun 29 2024 21:42 utc | 82
This

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 30 2024 14:05 utc | 179

Zelensky is gaslighting and grifting. No one in the upper echelons of the Ukrainian government wants peace because then the gravy train of NATO weapons and money would end. They don’t care how many Slavic peasants die on either side. Just today Ukraine launched a massive drone attack (Russian telegram users words) on Russian territory killing multiple civilians including 7 children!
How is Ukraine able to launch any “massive” attack with their infrastructure supposedly in ruins?

Posted by: bored | Jun 30 2024 14:14 utc | 180

“I don’t think that ought to be forgotten, especially since notable figures such as John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs give us an entirely false picture of the reasons for the SMO. Their thesis, and the thesis of most of those who are opposed to the part the West has played in this war, is that NATO pressure on Russia had become so great that the Russians finally cracked and invaded Ukraine to push that pressure back.”
Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 30 2024 11:38 utc | 155
Russia has been had three major invasions over the last 315 years: in 1709 by Swedish King Charles XII; in 1812 by French Emperor Napoleon and in 1954 by Hitler all coming up through the Ukrainian steppes .
So yes, Russia warned NATO but they kept putting the pressure on and Russia did what it had to do as its an existential crisis for the country-see previous invasions, above.
So Sachs and Mearsheimer are correct, you are seriously misinformed.

Posted by: canuck | Jun 30 2024 14:15 utc | 181

During the execution of the Russian prisoners by the soldiers from her brigade, she appeared on television and stated:
“All Russians deserve this fate, every Russian military man should be shot, every Russian person should be killed, we will continue to do this.”
Yesterday, during reconnaissance in force in the Kharkov direction, Russian forces captured her ALIVE.
https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1807343655268544889
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 30 2024 9:38 utc | 142
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I want to believe that on some level, she wanted to be taken alive. Poor woman.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 30 2024 14:16 utc | 182

Ukraine us still holding the line. When wr see massive surrenderings all over, that would be a sign of change untill then…
Posted by: vargas | Jun 30 2024 7:32 utc | 127
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This made me laugh. The war has been over for almost a year. It ended with the Surovikin line.
Like the slow-motion collapse of the Western empire, this falling man isn’t going to defy gravity and return to the rooftop.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 30 2024 14:19 utc | 183

Putin’s peace offer is leave all Donetsk/Lugansk administrational areas. Kherson and Zaporozhye too. And NATO out.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 29 2024 17:40 utc | 24
Putin cannot step back behind demanding the 4 oblasts (or the relevant parts hereof) to stay within the Russian Federation. If any of these territories were abandoned by Russia, it would expose their population, whose safety Putin has guaranteed, to an Ukrainian revenge vendetta.
It thus becomes obvious that territorial acquisitions are a burden for him – which explains why he goes slowly and shows no interest in Charkov and Odessa. What he is after, is a negotiated settlement – and what the West is after, is not to let him have one – thus keeping the bear trapped in the current situation, with all fingers pointing at him as “the aggressor”. Such has been the western plan from the start: fabricating an “unprovoked attack” by Russia, and then exploit the narrative to the maximum. Has it been successful? Just look at how Germany, and the rest of EU, bought into the narrative like the morons that they are.

Posted by: grunzt | Jun 30 2024 14:20 utc | 184

You are absolutely delusional if you think this war will end in the next six months.
There is ZERO chance this war ends while Biden is President.
ABSOLUTE ZERO
Posted by: Julian | Jun 30 2024 5:54 utc | 119
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See my post at #186. The war has been over for some time. It ended on Biden’s watch if that makes any difference (I don’t believe it does).
NATO can’t come back. Israel can’t come back.
An intelligent adult sees reality for what it is and acts accordingly. There is no winning strategy for NATO. They can’t dislodge Putin, and the alternatives are even worse for them. The Russian people are united. The Axis of Resistance has expanded to the DPRK. BRICs ascendant.
If this is “winning” for the West, I cannot imagine what losing looks like.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 30 2024 14:24 utc | 185

It is absolutely guaranteed that Russia will now end up paying through the nose for US / EU companies to rebuild these installations “to western specifications.”
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 12:48 utc | 162
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I couldn’t tell if this was serious or a joke.
How will they make Russia pay when Russia is nearly 100% removed from their reach financially? Who will impose the costs on Russia?
The same people who will arrest Netanyahu for genocide?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 30 2024 14:29 utc | 186

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 30 2024 14:29 utc | 189
probably via the stol.. frozen 300b. but that wont be enough. and it was also never intended to be used for ukraine at all anyways.
maybe the russians thought to themself:

“sergej, you know they wont give us our money back in a civilized manner? and they openly said that they will use this money for rebuilding ukraine? well we know they never intended to do so, but how about we force them publicly to spend it on rebuilding ukraines energygrid? we can then bomb it again and have them waste all that money that they intended to waste on coke and hookers!”

“vladimir, this is really petty! … … da, lets do this!”

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 30 2024 14:37 utc | 187

Drinking my morning coffee, laughing at the NAFO trolls. Best way to deal with them.

Posted by: Roger | Jun 30 2024 14:39 utc | 188

Posted by: Micron | Jun 30 2024 13:48 utc | 174, 175, 178

Don’t want to comment on your point of view, just saying: if you know that Russia is losing – let it continue as is. The longer the better, and you will get your wish in the end

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 30 2024 14:41 utc | 189

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 30 2024 14:37 utc | 190
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I imagine the Russians have already written that money off. They can always confiscate the equivalent in Western assets inside of Russia to offset their losses.
To pay for reparations would mean the Russians admitting that they broke the law. The hyper-legalist Putin doesn’t believe they have broken any laws. On the contrary, he makes a case that the Russians are upholding international law by protecting the Donbas Republics and Crimea that had a right to secede after the West did the same thing in Yugoslavia.
What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 30 2024 14:48 utc | 190

Everyone step back and look at the big picture. This war is not about Ukraine. So, it’s not about if Ukraine is winning or losing. This is just the first phase of the Globalist attempt to continue their hegemon. The war will continue, even without Ukraine. The war will probably expand to other countries. Not just in Europe. Here’s a cheerful thought, widespread warfare, financial collapse, another bioweapon attack, famine, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Posted by: Leroy | Jun 30 2024 14:58 utc | 191

It does appear that the empire may have decided to finally face up to the fact that project ‘hey, let’s use Ukraine to destroy Russia’ has not only failed miserably, but indeed has backfired spectacularly.

Posted by: Robert Hope | Jun 30 2024 15:16 utc | 192

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 30 2024 10:25 utc | 150
Thank you unimperator, appreciate all your posts!

Posted by: migueljose | Jun 30 2024 15:19 utc | 193

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 30 2024 12:06 utc | 158
In the 1990’s US army researcher David M. Glantz and his co author Jonathon House were given access to the Russian archives of WW2. The Russians were meticulous record keepers and had in their posession the diaries of the German units defeated by the Russians whereas prior to that time the USA had to rely on the memoirs of German generals … in fact Franze Halder the German chief of staff wrote the official history of the war in Russia.
House and Glantz went on to publish a series of excellent books on the east front through the 1990’s and 2000’s.
One document they found was a detailed list of what weapons were the most effective one both sides. I was suprised to find out that it wasn’t heavy artillery, tanks, machine guns or land mines that caused the most casualties but the humble mortar which could decimate advancing troops or attempts to keep troops supplied just like drones are doing today.
The solution the Russians came post WW2 was the APC, which held out pretty well as a solution for 80 years or so but now we have to find a new solution.
You can’t help notice that the mortar caused a lot of casualties but the Soviets still beat the Germans.
Another interesting bit of information was that tanks rarely fought other tanks and when they did it was usually by accident. The role of destroying tanks went to the infantry with mines anti-tank guns and satchel charges being the most effective weapons.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jun 30 2024 15:21 utc | 194

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 13:05 utc | 165
Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 30 2024 13:06 utc | 166
Posted by: Mario | Jun 30 2024 13:09 utc | 168
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 30 2024 13:11 utc | 169
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jun 30 2024 13:23 utc | 171
None of Ukraine’s sponsors gives a shit about Ukraine or Ukrainians, rebuilding will be in the style of Iraq contracts, the wrecked power stations are an easy pretext to draw up invoices that draw on frozen Russian assets if the west ends up administering that territory. If not they are still holes in the ground and lost capacity for whoever does administers it.
I am pointing out that destroying the plants themselves vs. critical transformers is not obviously explainable. As an example, the turbine hall of Dnipro Hydroelectric Station was hit this March, it’s at the foot of the dam (as is usually the case), there appears to have been a nontrivial risk of unintentionally hitting and breaching the dam itself.
Your arguments don’t give a reasonable motive for choosing destruction of the mechanical installations vs. transformers. If there is one I’d be relieved to hear it.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 15:33 utc | 195

Putin HAS suggested ONE “authority he will talk/negotiate with” and that is a proper, collectively democratic Verkova Rada.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 4:28 utc | 112
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The only people who need to support a peace proposal are the two combatants.
Posted by: Mr. Ed | Jun 30 2024 4:15 utc | 111
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Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jun 30 2024 8:21 utc | 133 – Don’t hold back now.
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Whilst there is a script for making unpalatable posters invisible as one scrolls through the forum – my favorite
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From your posts (119,123 and 129) you seem to be projecting the general despair that the war is currently not going in favour of the collective west and their poor proxy armed forces. IMO young Julan, your despair is well founded and this war will end with the dismantling of the (artificial) country called Ukraine.
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Finaly I endorse Jake Blanchard’s comments @ 105,112,113, 117 and 124 pretty well without reservation (which is unusual for me).
Suck it all up Julian, and the same goes for the likes of Anonymous and (perhaps) Vargas.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 30 2024 9:47 utc | 145
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The Atlanticist elites will never tolerate the RF in its present guise because they view it (probably correctly) as an existential threat to their own aspirations. Whoever is POTUS will be heavily pressured to follow the Atlanticist agenda.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 30 2024 14:00 utc | 181
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Nice lines, thank you, barflies.
To me, it is still up for grabs. The CIA likely started this slugfest years ago, fighting with the other powerhouse, Wall Street, which dominated the CIA in the fifties. The US ruling elite might get tired of fighting Russia and investing in the MIC has limits, just like preparing for war with China.
Russia is doing just fine, standing on its own legs, cf. karlof1 on his Substack.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 30 2024 15:42 utc | 196

The solution the Russians came post WW2 was the APC, which held out pretty well as a solution for 80 years or so but now we have to find a new solution.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jun 30 2024 15:21 utc | 197

Система “Шатер” ==> https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/9233644.html
Everything old is new again.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2024 15:43 utc | 197

Your arguments don’t give a reasonable motive for choosing destruction of the mechanical installations vs. transformers.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 15:33 utc | 198

Once again – the plan might be that there will be no power production in the Ukraine, like at all. The Russia-friendly parts will be getting power from Russia, that will be enoufh.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jun 30 2024 15:43 utc | 198

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 15:33 utc | 198
I already told you but you keep insisting.
THE frozen asset are not enough to rebuild electric infrastructures, expecially if you hit the mechanical part.
I also suppose that RF will offset, at least partially, the lost asset with western assets in RF.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 30 2024 15:45 utc | 199

Your arguments don’t give a reasonable motive for choosing destruction of the mechanical installations vs. transformers. If there is one I’d be relieved to hear it.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 15:33 utc | 198
I don’t understand your point. Is it that you don’t understand the military reason the Russians struck generators and turbines or you believe it was somehow inhumane and unnecessary to attack them as they are civilian infrastructure?
It should be obvious what the military objectives of such an attack are.
As for the latter the Russians struck the transformed stations servicing military applications like factories and rail lines in the first winter of the war and Ukraine continued to fight. That should have been a warning to Ukrainians as to what the Russians can do if they need to. So the Ukrainians continued to fuck around … now they’re finding out … and we’re nowhere near the top of the escalation ladder.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jun 30 2024 15:45 utc | 200