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June 28, 2024
Russian Note To The U.S.: Your Drones Are Now Targets

A new statement by the Russian Defense Ministry says:

The Russian Defence Ministry noted the increased intensity of U.S. strategic unmanned aerial vehicles over the Black Sea waters, which are conducting reconnaissance and targeting high-precision weapons supplied to the Armed Forces of Ukraine by Western states to launch strikes at Russian facilities.

This demonstrates the increasing involvement of the United States and NATO countries in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime.

Such flights increase the possibility of air incidents involving the Russian Aerospace Forces' aircraft, increasing the risk of a direct confrontation between the alliance and the Russian Federation.

The NATO countries will be responsible for this.

The Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation Andrei Belousov has instructed the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces to make proposals on measures for rapid response to provocations.

NATO reconnaissance and radio relay drones were regularly patrolling over the Black Sea before and during recent 'Ukrainian' attacks with long reaching, western delivered weapons on Crimea. This was also case during the recent release of cluster ammunition over a popular beach near Sevastopol which has caused several civilian death and wounded some 100+ people.

While the drones are nominally flying in neural airspace they are obviously used for attacks on Russia assets in Crimea. That makes them, arguably, legitimate targets for Russian air defenses. Russia had so far held back at destroying them. This will now change.

NATO or the U.S. may well regard such attacks on their 'neutral' forces as hostile. Some will press for retribution. But I am convinced that mere attacks on drones will not be seen as sufficient reason to launch World War III.

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The entire matter revolves around Russia and Turkye’s political balance.
Whatever FighterB claims, “Khibiny” turns off the F-35 navionics from a distance of two miles.
However, that is not the proper focus. Modular and networked jamming, together with data collection, are used in EW from ships. These are updated equivalent versions of the Krasukha 4 and 2 EW complexes that the navy has accepted, starting in 2020. With a satellite connection for enhanced effect on the target, those have a 300-kilometer range.
So it is not a military issue or a Russian Navy capability, but a political issue of a mutual Black Sea security. No one is interested in Bulgaria or Romania.
It might also be a legitimate victory to force the Turks to help move NATO away for some hundreds of miles.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 29 2024 15:54 utc | 201

@ William Gruff | Jun 29 2024 12:58 utc | 185
I see the logic in your argument — like shadowbanned’s. Unfortunately, despite what others write in good faith (even if somewhat rudely) about this calamitous brinksmanship, that’s where I think we’re headed, which is why I moved to a rural area and stock a year of food.
As for optics, RoW leaders would probably refrain from condemning and RoW peons would largely cheer.

Posted by: despondent | Jun 29 2024 17:31 utc | 202

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Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 29 2024 17:59 utc | 203

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 29 2024 15:54 utc | 201
That’s an interesting perspective, thank you, good to see you posting! I don’t have a frame of reference for the issue of NATO targeting flights being wrapped up in Russo-Turkic strategic balance, rather than technical capabilities. If you have links to posts or articles that elaborate on this aspect please feel free to post them.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 29 2024 18:08 utc | 204

Tough guy’s thought it through.
https://t.me/llordofwar/361875

“🇸🇰Slovakia will help the 🇨🇿Czech Republic with ammunition for 🇺🇦Ukraine”, – Slovak President Peter Pellegrini
❗️”We will make a significant contribution with our production capacity to the success of the Czech munitions business. Slovakia has increased production at its factories, where ammunition of the required calibers is produced or restored,” he said.

https://t.me/llordofwar/361876

🇺🇦 AFU shot a group of refugees during the evacuation from Toretsk to the DPR
⚫️ This was announced by adviser to the head of the region Igor Kimakovsky.
⚫️ According to preliminary data, seven people died.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 29 2024 18:20 utc | 205

anon2020 | Jun 29 2024 18:08 utc | 204
Thank you. I can not recall anything specific; there are a lot of articles out there. However, this analysis below surprised me because it indicates that even self-proclaimed experts can occasionally make a close estimate without knowing anything:
https://www.fpri.org/article/2024/02/russias-black-sea-fleet-in-the-special-military-operation-in-ukraine/
Following also the other source confirming something entirely else:
https://www.dailysabah.com/business/energy/ukraine-tried-to-attack-ship-guarding-major-gas-pipelines-russia
If Ukraine is de-coasted, then everything is altered once more.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 29 2024 18:27 utc | 206

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/56990

Rare footage. A Ukrainian FPV drone attacked a Russian train.
The target was a locomotive loaded with fuel and lubricants. Such attacks had not been previously reported.
#Ukraine

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 29 2024 18:30 utc | 207

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The Beavis and Butthead Debate: Who Runs America, by Aleksandr Dugin
”PRAVDA”, 28 June 2024

In the 90s a cartoon series, “Beavis and Butt-head,” directed by Mike Judge, was popular both in the USA and in Russia. Its heroes were two American mentally retarded teenagers, spewing obscenities at each other, expressing one absurd thought after another, unable to solve a single everyday situation, but… despite their complete debility and senselessness, somehow coping with life. Every time a series of idiotic actions brought them to the brink of total disaster, an equally absurd accident or failure in the logic of things saved them, giving them another chance — which, of course, they immediately missed. And then it all happened again, cyclically. Failure after failure, completely wrong decisions, breaking all possible logical connections, and at the end the two would watch a heavy metal video in which horned people with guitars actually devoured women or live goats right on stage.
What the world saw during the Trump and Biden election debates is just a fresh episode of Beavis and Butthead. At the same time, both, as if on purpose, were copied from cartoon characters: Trump is a remake of Beavis, Biden is a Butt—head. Trump even has the exact same hairstyle. And the content of the debate is completely in the spirit of the series.
Beavis: “You’re an old moron.”
Butthead: “You’re an old moron yourself, I’m only three years older than you. So you’re older than me. You’re under the age of forty already.”
Beavis: “This is for you under the table, yes, it’s already passed, you communicate with spirits, you feel invisible chairs… You failed everything, and I did everything perfectly.”
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Butthead: “You’re going to ruin NATO.”
Beavis: “And what is NATO?”

End of excerpt only…
This essay continues here (with many excellent/important points!):
https://pravda-en.press/world/2024/06/28/4132.html
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Posted by: Toby C | Jun 29 2024 19:10 utc | 208

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 29 2024 18:27 utc | 206
The ship attack I remember from the time, the FPRI article is indeed interesting but the author is trying to keep everyone happy in order to maintain his access as a friendly author so he is diplomatic to the point of pathology.
Here’s just one example of what’s missing from his account:
I read on two separate TG channels (one rybar, I remember correctly) that appropriations for deck mounted machine guns and optics went into the budget for the next financial year while boats were being sunk and crew members were dying for lack of a timely response.
It’s really saying something that in the entire BSF command there wasn’t a single officer who found that state of affairs intolerable. That’s not something that can be fixed by new equipment or agreeable sounding reports.
Machine gun installations would have been a blandly professional response in the handful of weeks following the first emergence of Ukrainian drone boats. They’re only just being installed now, in time for submerged threats against which they will be ineffective.
There’s no value in labouring the point but failing to understand the true mechanisms and causes will lead to equivalent outcomes time and time again.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 29 2024 20:09 utc | 209

despondent @202: “…despite what others write in good faith (even if somewhat rudely) about this calamitous brinksmanship, that’s where I think we’re headed…”
Yes, that’s where we are headed. Escalation ends with nukes. There is no other way for escalation to end. With a “surprise” jump to a single nuke strike early, there is a possibility that the escalation can end with that single nuke. If we tiptoe, salami slice style up the escalation ladder without skipping any rungs in that ladder, then wide-scale, civilization-ending use of nukes becomes unavoidable.
If all of the escalatory steps are kept small and “reasonable”, we still end up at nukes because that is where escalation inevitably goes when one or both parties to a conflict have nukes. The problem is that when the escalation steps are small, the next step is always close enough to take without reflection before taking it. The next step always fits the logic of the moment.
The “logic” of the escalation must be broken. One giant leap to the end of the escalation process, while it is still far enough away to not fit the logic of the moment, has the potential to break out of the lockstep process. This is particularly necessary if one party to the conflict firmly believes the other is not willing or able to follow the escalation process to its conclusion. “If we just keep escalating, they will eventually fold.” This happens to be the neolib dogma concerning Russia.
So one can timidly approach the end of escalation by baby steps, and in so doing guarantee a huge strategic exchange, or one can boldly embrace the final stage of escalation early enough that the logic of the moment doesn’t include ending the world.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 29 2024 20:30 utc | 210

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 29 2024 15:54 utc | 201 ” With a satellite connection for enhanced effect on the target, those have a 300-kilometer range.”
Would like more details on this regarding the amount of power this generates at the source to be effective at 300km.

Posted by: Ed4 | Jun 29 2024 20:41 utc | 211

@retroflecks | Sat, 29 Jun 2024 05:23:00 GMT | 148

Between 1840-1940, Physics was dropping new “bombshell” discoveries every couple of years. Then 1945 and … crickets.

Before that, established physics was Newtonian mechanics and optics. Then came electrodynamics, statistical mechanics, quantum mechanics, special relativity and general relativity, all before 1940. These theories also introduced some new mathematical ideas that are mostly well-rounded by now (I won’t list them here).
To me, this looks like a new scientific method – physics – has succesfully reaped a bunch of low-hanging fruit and is now in a phase of less dramatic development, while engineering-wise the innovation is still going strong.
I’d be surprised if the “new principles” the russians boast about are truly principles in the sense above, and not merely new effects still governed by the known foundational physics. EW tricks, fluid-dynamical innovations, novel materials, and (especially) new nuclear reactions are the most probable fields for such surprises that I come up with.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 29 2024 23:19 utc | 212

You check your phone and excuse yourself, you didn’t get any message but you pretend you were expecting one although you’re not telling anyone any of this unless asked repeatedly (you start with noncommittal non-answers like “oh it’s nothing”). You go to make a phone call somewhere private asking whoever it is if everything is okay and listening and talking and accepting whatever they say (most likely that everything is okay and why do ask and you say to the person on the phone that you thought you would be getting a message about this or that, most likely about them getting home or arriving somewhere or something similar) and not making a fuss.
Whatever they say you decide you want to make sure by visiting them, but you don’t say this on the phone or to anyone but this is what you have decided.
After ending the call you go back and pick up your chips or money and apologize to everybody and “see you next time”. You butter up the checkers guy by telling him he’s a damn good player (the game is mostly about bluffing aka lying and also quite often about cheating) and you’re looking forward to playing again soon. You’re counting on him to shit-talk you when you’ve gone and he will most likely oblige.
If he absolutely wants to shoot you he has to do it now because you’re leaving.
Sometimes allegories just don’t work, or do they? 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 29 2024 23:46 utc | 213

@William Gruff | Sat, 29 Jun 2024 20:30:00 GMT | 210

If we tiptoe, salami slice style up the escalation ladder without skipping any rungs in that ladder, then wide-scale, civilization-ending use of nukes becomes unavoidable.

I disagree. Such concept of a ladder is linear, while the world is not; which means there’s always a chance for ways off the ladder to emerge.
Your ‘escalation model’ is like playing a stupid game of chicken on such ladders. But even if there are no rules, you can still refuse to play … or be made to stop playing.
Even better than a new american revolution would be a phone call from Mama to the crazies for a few thorough words before dinner.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 30 2024 0:08 utc | 214

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 29 2024 15:54 utc | 201
The thing that goes with this? (Story from back in 2022.)
https://www.twz.com/44879/ukraine-just-captured-part-of-one-of-russias-most-capable-electronic-warfare-systems
Elsewhere : “Captured intact in March 2022, the system was reportedly first moved to the US Air Force base in Ramstein, Germany, and was later transferred to the United States for further analysis.”
Two years later, the west likely has much better insight into it’s capabilities.
There is a 4S released this year.

Posted by: Ed4 | Jun 30 2024 0:42 utc | 215

persiflo @214: “…you can still refuse to play”
The “game” isn’t voluntary. Russia didn’t ask to be there. If Russia tries to pretend that they can just “not play”, then they will be “decolonized”. Russia will cease to exist.
“…be made to stop playing.”
Made by who? Sure, the ideal solution to many of the world’s problems, and most of America’s problems too, would be socialist revolution in the USA. We are nowhere near that, unfortunately. In fact, we were closer in 2015 than we are now.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 30 2024 2:28 utc | 216

William Gruff @216
As in bg Gruff?
“the ideal solution to many of the world’s problems, and most of America’s problems too, would be socialist revolution in the USA”
Didn’t work out too well in Russia 100 years ago, nor anywhere else for that matter.

Posted by: Hugh Conway | Jun 30 2024 2:59 utc | 217

Same video as before of troops defending themselves against FPV attack but with a knowledgeable commentary from @UAVDEV.
https://t.me/UAVDEV/6738

There are 3 important points in the video:
1. Detecting a drone using a drone detector (similar to Shadow). The fighter, at the same time, is in cover and does not reflect.
2. Defeat a drone with a shotgun.
3. Triggering of the self-destruct device in the drone.
I remind you once again that you should not approach a fallen drone for 3 days. It could be a trap, the various types of which we have written about more than once, or just a long-term liquidator. Typically, the self-liquidator on the FPV is set to 20-30 minutes.
A general guide on how to deal with finds is here https://t.me/UAVDEV/4572

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 4:15 utc | 218

https://t.me/bayraktar1070/2363

The Kurds began to attack the positions of Turkish forces using FPV drones. Nothing unusual, but the trend is obvious. FPV technologies are rapidly spreading around the world and more and more attacks will occur with their help.
The Russian military does not sleep and constantly conducts exercises for Syrian troops, where they tell them how to use anti-drone guns. Any workout is good, but there is one caveat. Such guns are already practically useless in the NWO zone. You can’t land either Mavics or FPV drones with them.
You can shrug it off and think that crooked militants are not capable of mastering modern technologies, but this is not so. After the end of the Northern Military District, the confrontation with Western and Ukrainian special services will be transferred to distant directions. Attacks using FPV drones have already been recorded in Mali. All evidence indicates that the militants were trained with the help of French and Ukrainian specialists. And this, in turn, means that the most modern drone technologies will be used against us. And we now need to prepare for such a development of events.
Alexander Kharchenko

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 4:27 utc | 219

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 28 2024 17:19 utc | 74
Your comment regarding remote-control is an interesting point.
It’s been around for years, as you say, but it has had me wondering about some plane accidents/incidents in recent times.
Not just the obvious MH-370, there has also been a perceptible up-tick in “clear air turbulence” incidents.
It might just be a facet of modern 24/7 global media that these are reported far more frequently…or something else, perhaps.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jun 30 2024 4:28 utc | 220

Just a point of order: these USA drones aren’t flying in “neutral airspace”.
They are flying in “international airspace”.
It makes a big difference to any claims regarding immunity from attack.
Think about it: a Russian warplane flying in “international airspace” can be shot at by Ukrainian forces.
Ditto for Ukrainian warplanes flying over the Black Sea: definitely fair-game to Russian defences.
It actually isn’t a stretch from there to USAF warplanes that are actively assisting a Ukrainian attack: they are also fair-game even.if in international airspace.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jun 30 2024 4:40 utc | 221

https://t.me/rusengineer/4432

Crests are whining. Our little bird didn’t notice the Ukrov electronic warfare system and destroyed it. A good example of competent tactics is when there is part of the drones’ ammunition at non-standard frequencies, they are the first to take out the enemy’s electronic warfare, and then can calmly operate with a mass of drones at standard frequencies, to which the enemy can no longer oppose anything. On standard frequencies, drones are cheaper, there are more of them, and therefore it still makes sense to keep them as part of the ammunition load.
But without modified drones, improved in terms of noise immunity, no others will be able to work. Therefore, this balance is important, and it is important to use each tool within the tactics against specific targets.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2024 4:43 utc | 222

Didn’t work out too well in Russia 100 years ago, nor anywhere else for that matter.
Posted by: Hugh Conway | Jun 30 2024 2:59 utc | 217
LOL! “nor for anyone else” other than the tens of millions elevated out of poverty by socialist governments, even the ones under constant attack – both militarily and economically – by the Evil Empire (hint: the USA and its capitalist rentier/finance class overlords).
“anywhere else” LMFAOOOOOO keep believing in the fairy tale version of history you learned in western secondary school and the Internet, I guess. Because I’m sure Chinese, Vietnamese, Venezuelan (pre-Trump/Biden sanctions and pre-Bush coup attempts) people are all itching to join the population of Skid Row in nearly every Red and Blue American city + London, amirite?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 30 2024 4:47 utc | 223

Posted by: Bearish Panda | Jun 29 2024 3:13 utc | 143
“We are not defenseless due to lack of firearms, we are defenseless because our law forbids us to defend ourselves lest we end up in more trouble than the crims.
We are expected to allow ourselves to be victims, oh how I wish I was born in a different country.”
As an Australian who has been through two, yes two, home-invasions in my life, I’ve truly given up all hope of pulling our nation back from the brink.
At this stage, I’m only hanging around the place to watch it follow its US/UK/IS masters down the sewer to oblivion. It’s my personal impotent revenge vanity project.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jun 30 2024 12:53 utc | 224

Ed4 | Jun 29 2024 20:41 utc | 211
Here are also old but still as an assumption articles:
https://tdhj.org/blog/post/watt-happened/
https://en.topwar.ru/240882-nejtralizuet-razvedku-s-samoletov-awacs-rol-sistemy-rjeb-krasuha-na-fronte.html
What I understand in general is that the aim to counter long-range NATO ISR is about 70 dB/w, supported by around 50 kW of total power divided by 3x 220V/50 Hz and 3x 400V/50 Hz of field-generated power for the fully operating Krasukha unit.
I guess having this thing on a modern war ship makes a power supply not a big issue
However, that is merely hypothetical because no one really knows, and Russia simply has a vast number of modular systems serving various purposes, with new ones being added on a regular basis.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 30 2024 14:26 utc | 225

Seems to me the smart play was to not incorporate the 4 southern oblasts into the RF but to use them as proxies to make the black sea a no fly zone or hit nato countries giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Posted by: NewWorldDisorder | Jun 30 2024 20:35 utc | 226