Russian Note To The U.S.: Your Drones Are Now Targets
A new statement by the Russian Defense Ministry says:
The Russian Defence Ministry noted the increased intensity of U.S. strategic unmanned aerial vehicles over the Black Sea waters, which are conducting reconnaissance and targeting high-precision weapons supplied to the Armed Forces of Ukraine by Western states to launch strikes at Russian facilities.This demonstrates the increasing involvement of the United States and NATO countries in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime.
Such flights increase the possibility of air incidents involving the Russian Aerospace Forces' aircraft, increasing the risk of a direct confrontation between the alliance and the Russian Federation.
The NATO countries will be responsible for this.
The Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation Andrei Belousov has instructed the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces to make proposals on measures for rapid response to provocations.
NATO reconnaissance and radio relay drones were regularly patrolling over the Black Sea before and during recent 'Ukrainian' attacks with long reaching, western delivered weapons on Crimea. This was also case during the recent release of cluster ammunition over a popular beach near Sevastopol which has caused several civilian death and wounded some 100+ people.
While the drones are nominally flying in neural airspace they are obviously used for attacks on Russia assets in Crimea. That makes them, arguably, legitimate targets for Russian air defenses. Russia had so far held back at destroying them. This will now change.
NATO or the U.S. may well regard such attacks on their 'neutral' forces as hostile. Some will press for retribution. But I am convinced that mere attacks on drones will not be seen as sufficient reason to launch World War III.
Posted by b on June 28, 2024 at 12:23 UTC | Permalink
next page »Overdue, yet measured. :) A mature response. Also will be received in Washington DC like a mailed turd. Which is obviously a great offense to the USA's divinity! ;) (Pink Flamingos reference)
Posted by: titmouse | Jun 28 2024 12:33 utc | 2
There are plenty manned surveillance airplanes abusing the no-mans-land of international airspace over the Black Sea that are legitimate targets too.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 28 2024 12:34 utc | 3
https://www.vtforeignpolicy.com/2024/06/us-drone-shot-down-over-black-sea-uav-from-sicilian-usaf-cia-station/
In summary from the article "A Russian MiG-31 fighter shot down a US Air Force reconnaissance drone over the Black Sea"
I forgot to add this link on the subject.
Posted by: snake | Jun 28 2024 12:35 utc | 4
Should US drone be directly shot down over black sea, US/UK will probably try to challenge this with manned surveillance planes, so to give a good reason to start WW3.
What US is very good at is goading other to attack so they can escalate with a pretext.
Posted by: w | Jun 28 2024 12:38 utc | 5
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 28 2024 10:40 utc | 211
Apologies, saw your reply in the other thread which now belongs to history. Yes, it's highly likely - as the current post by our host b. makes abundantly clear - that there will be a Russian escalation, but in what form is only a guess. Meanwhile, the escalation from NATO is already happening (10.34am, BST, today):
The US Air Force RC-135W Rivet Joint electronic reconnaissance aircraft paired with a KC-135 Stratotanker tanker are heading towards the Black Sea, reports @new_militarycolumnistNATO very quickly found a way out of the threat to its UAVs, which they use to guide Ukrainian missiles across Crimea. Now AWACS fly with crews and escort. Ramstein apparently decided that we would not threaten them. I think it's time for a "show of strength" and numbers. A couple of units merrily maneuvering around NATO AWACS may well cool down the enemy’s ardor. The key conclusion for now is that they are not ready to give up reconnaissance of our positions. This means a lot depends on this intelligence, notes colleague @zhivoff
Posted by: Boo | Jun 28 2024 12:41 utc | 6
"What US is very good at is goading other to attack so they can escalate with a pretext."
Indeed so
Abstract
This study analyzes which party of the conflict was involved in the 2014 Maidan massacre in Ukraine. The massacre of Maidan protesters and the police on 20 February 2014 was a turning point in Ukrainian politics. This mass killing led to the overthrow of the Ukrainian government and spiraled into a civil war in Donbas, Russian military intervention in Crimea and Donbas, the Russian annexation of Crimea, and conflicts between Ukraine and Russia and between the West and Russia that Russia drastically escalated by launching its illegal invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. This article proposes and tests the moral hazard theory of the state repression backfire. Content analysis of synchronized videos, testimonies by several hundred witnesses, confessions by 14 self-admitted members of Maidan sniper groups, and bullet hole locations show that both the police and protesters were massacred by Maidan snipers located in Maidan-controlled buildings and areas. Content analysis of synchronized videos revealed that the specific time and direction of shooting by Berkut policemen, who were charged with the massacre, did not coincide with the killing of specific protesters. Testimonies by the absolute majority of wounded protesters and some 100 witnesses and forensic examinations by ballistic and medical experts for the Maidan massacre trial and investigation in Ukraine corroborate this. The article shows that the false-flag massacre was rationally organized and carried out with the involvement of oligarchic and far-right elements of the Maidan opposition to overthrow the incumbent government in Ukraine.
Keywords:
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Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Jun 28 2024 12:43 utc | 7
Why onlh now?. They should have been taken down at all times since the start of this war.
Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 28 2024 12:47 utc | 8
Free holidays from Yemen to Crimea, Black Sea problem solved in a week or two.
Posted by: koan me a riddle | Jun 28 2024 12:49 utc | 9
Is Russia saying they may shoot down some drones? Wow.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jun 28 2024 12:56 utc | 10
Also, and corroborating the words of our host, at least for the next few days/weeks, NATOes are flying only the AWACSes:
By all indications, the end of the week in the Black Sea airspace south of Crimea will be very interesting. After yesterday’s demarche with two British fighters guarding a reconnaissance plane, the enemy is now conducting reconnaissance from the airspace of NATO and sub-NATO members, like Moldova.It is clear that routine (which is annoying) reconnaissance of targets continues, against which the Ukrainian Armed Forces will launch traditional (even more annoying) strikes in Crimea, the intensity of which usually increases over the weekend.
Perhaps the West has decided not to risk drones, regarding which our hands are free, and we can drop them without the use of missiles and vague moral torment.
If, in addition to purely reconnaissance missions, provocation is also on the agenda, then by the evening we may notice a reconnaissance aircraft that will try to get as close as possible. Most likely, again accompanied by an escort.
To avoid a difficult choice, it is easier now to declare a distance of 150-170 kilometers from Crimea a no-fly zone, in which anti-aircraft missile firing periodically occurs. And anything can happen.
Posted by: Boo | Jun 28 2024 12:57 utc | 11
Be interesting to see how the AWACS & escorting aircrews handle being continuously followed and target-locked.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 28 2024 13:16 utc | 12
I do not belive Russia would ever dare to touch a NATO plane or drone but we shall see..
Posted by: vargas | Jun 28 2024 13:24 utc | 13
Can an S-300 or other AA system be mounted to the deck of a commercial freighter? Send a few dozen of those into the Black Sea, with the Houthis invited for cross-training.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 28 2024 13:24 utc | 14
“Why only now?” Because now the world has seen enough and will applaud.
Posted by: despondent | Jun 28 2024 13:29 utc | 15
only way to destroy dollar is starting www3
everybody would shift to gold, etc, real estates
but with pussy chess master not really realistic
he loves to lick dollar boots
Posted by: killusd | Jun 28 2024 13:32 utc | 16
I suspect that was to topic of the meeting of Defense Ministers.
But that may also lead to further escalation - seems baked-in anyway.
Posted by: jared | Jun 28 2024 13:35 utc | 17
@ Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 28 2024 13:16 utc | 12
Yes, that will be the real "Cuban Missile Crisis".
If your going to do it, you must take-out the AWACs, as well.
That will be the next step, if the US does not cause Ukraine to back-off on the attacks on civilians using ATACMs and HMARs.
Posted by: jared | Jun 28 2024 13:40 utc | 18
Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (for the period from 22 to 28 June 2024)
From June 22 to 28 this year, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 17 group strikes with precision weapons and strike unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which they hit: energy facilities that provided the work of enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, the infrastructure of military airfields, logistics centers for the accumulation of weapons transferred to the Armed Forces by Western countries, as well as assembly shops and storage sites for strike unmanned aerial vehicles vehicles and unmanned boats.
The temporary deployment points of the AFU units and foreign mercenaries were also affected.
During the week, units of the North group of forces continued to advance into the depth of the enemy's defense and defeated the manpower and equipment of three formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a marine brigade, as well as three air defense brigades.
The enemy's losses amounted to 1,560 soldiers, 12 armored combat vehicles and 43 vehicles. Also, during the counter-battery struggle, 33 field artillery guns were hit, including seven foreign-made howitzers, as well as three electronic warfare stations "Nota", "Bukovel-AD" and two AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radar stations.
Units of the Zapad group of forces improved the tactical situation, and also defeated formations of four mechanized and two tank brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as two air defense brigades. Six counterattacks by enemy assault groups were repelled.
During the week, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost up to 3,230 servicemen in this direction, four armored combat vehicles, 40 vehicles, three Grad multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles, 24 field artillery guns, six of which are American-made. In addition, three AN/TPQ-50 and AN/TPQ-37 counter-battery radar stations were destroyed, as well as 11 field ammunition depots.
The units of the "Southern" group of troops actively liberated the settlement of Razdolovka of the Donetsk People's Republic and occupied more advantageous positions.
The manpower and equipment of three mechanized, two airmobile and two airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated.
During this period, the enemy lost up to 4,410 soldiers, two tanks, eight armored combat vehicles, 48 vehicles, 39 field artillery guns, including 11 M777 and M198 howitzers manufactured by the United States.
In addition, 7 Enclave and Bukovel electronic warfare stations and 25 field ammunition depots were destroyed.
The units of the Center group of forces improved their position along the front edge and defeated the formations of four mechanized, two infantry formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and two air defense brigades.
During the week, 39 enemy counterattacks were reflected in this direction. The losses of the Armed Forces in this area amounted to up to 2,950 military personnel, 3 tanks, 6 armored combat vehicles, including 2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, 30 vehicles and 42 field artillery guns, including 6 M777 howitzers.
The units of the Vostok group of forces improved the tactical situation, and also defeated the manpower and equipment of two brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, three formations of the defense forces and two brigades of the National Guard.
The enemy lost up to 930 troops, 6 armored combat vehicles, 36 vehicles and 19 field artillery pieces, including 6 FH-70 howitzers.
The units of the Dnepr group of troops defeated the formations of two formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and three brigades of the air Defense.
The enemy's losses amounted to up to 740 soldiers, three tanks, two armored combat vehicles, 48 vehicles and 23 field artillery guns, of which 11 were foreign-made. 8 Enclave and Bukovel electronic warfare stations and 6 field ammunition depots were also destroyed.
Operational and tactical aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, missile troops and artillery groups of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation destroyed 6 launchers of M142 HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems, 1 M270 MLRS launcher and 1 transport-loading vehicle together with foreign specialists who provided their use, as well as 3 radar detection and tracking stations "P-18" during the week.
Air defense means shot down 2 MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, 589 unmanned aerial vehicles, 6 ATACMS tactical missiles, 8 Patriot anti-aircraft guided missiles, a HARM anti-radar missile, as well as 61 HIMARS "Vampire" and "Alder" rockets.
During the week, 56 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered on the line of contact.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 615 aircraft, 276 helicopters, 26777 unmanned aerial vehicles, 533 anti-aircraft missile systems, 16446 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1357 multiple rocket launchers, 11020 field artillery and mortars, as well as 23049 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
Posted by: rumod report | Jun 28 2024 13:41 utc | 19
I don't understand why these drones have not been shot down already...And I doubt that many Russians understand it either...If Medvedev were in charge, they would have been gone two years ago...
Posted by: pyrrhus | Jun 28 2024 13:45 utc | 20
I think there is a case to be made that trying to avoid WW3 is will be the cause of WW3.
At least, in retrospect.
Looks like it will likely be Trump's call. What could go wrong there?
Posted by: jared | Jun 28 2024 13:45 utc | 21
I do not belive Russia would ever dare to touch a NATO plane or drone but we shall see..
Posted by: vargas | Jun 28 2024 13:24 utc | 13
Short memory? There was the notorious "fuel dump" a year ago, and just the other day we had fighterbomber claiming a "purely coincidental" very near miss.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 28 2024 13:47 utc | 22
@ Posted by: pyrrhus | Jun 28 2024 13:45 utc | 20
I suspect that you do understand -
To take-out the drones flying in international waters is tantamount to a declaration of war on the owner. This is the recognition of an inconvenient fact.
Russia has been in no hurry to take that step and striving to de-escalate.
I imagine that you do not agree.
Posted by: jared | Jun 28 2024 13:51 utc | 23
The Russians shoot down their own expensive surveillance aircraft by accident. Why can’t they shoot down a couple American ones by accident too?
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 28 2024 13:54 utc | 24
Yesterday a British AWACS plane (manned) was flying probably 100km from Sevastopol. It seems these are there, intended as sacrificial lambs to ratchet things up. Nevertheless, they were involved in a civilian massacre and there is legitimacy to shut them down.
Yet, the better response (as Martyanov seems to be saying) is arming proxy groups with advanced ASM weapons to hit FUKUS naval assets. That is far more damage than shooting a few drones down in Black Sea (albeit that still does not exclude bringing them down). If they really had managed to cripple and document crippling of the Eisenhower could have been a good start. Next time it might happen. We know a US fleet including Gerald Ford carrier is looking to park itself off Israel's coast soon.
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 28 2024 13:54 utc | 25
The strange incident over the Black Sea involving a British spy plane escorted by 2 British fighter jets is interesting.
Russian Telegram channel discussions state that the Ukrainians were about to conduct a joint Himsars and Scalp attack at the same time, with the British spy plane clearly acting as either signal relay and / or target
designator for the British Scalp missiles.
The Ukrainian plane and the Himars were destroyed, and at least one of the British planes were radar locked, causing them to withdraw.
The British have not commented and neither have the Russians.
Interesting.
Posted by: Raddar | Jun 28 2024 14:02 utc | 26
@ jared | 18
Taking out the AWACS ???
1. I think the AWACS planes are not flying over the Black Sea, and can easily perform surveillance while flying over Turkiye, a NATO country. So a simple attack would have disastrous consequences for RQussia-Turkiye relations.
2. It's not necessary to damage the AWACS airplane. I believe it's within Russian capabilities to simply damage the sensitive receivers with enough electromagnetic power. The radar receivers have protective semiconductor limiters, but, if you will pardon the phrasing, even limiters have their limits. The USSR had some impressive techniques for generating extremely high power one-shot bursts of microwave energy. Certainly any AWACS is vulnerable over international waters where the Russian plane could get close to the receivers. However, I think it's simply cheaper for the Pentagon to fly unmanned Reapers, getting the same surveillance data.
There is plenty of flight tracker evidence that Reapers in the Black Sea are active elements of the war. Russia should bring that up in the UN Security Council, and then begin to end Reaper missions by dumping jet fuel on them, as has already happened, or with Sukhoi jets passing very close with afterburners going.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Jun 28 2024 14:03 utc | 27
im not sure if the us would deem the shooting down of some drones over international waters a declaration of war. after all, they could then simply in "retaliation" (and we all know the msm propaganda apparatus will name it so) to the russian retaliation of the aiding by said drones in the murder of civilians do the same, but with non-military assets of russia.
the "shadow/dark" tanker fleet of russia is a heavy thorn in natos eye. so id wager that the us would then simply hit a ship or two in retaliation as a new provocation. the goal is a strategic defeat of russia after all. and this means in every possible way.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 28 2024 14:04 utc | 28
do not belive Russia would ever dare to touch a NATO plane or drone but we shall see..
Posted by: vargas | Jun 28 2024 13:24 utc | 13
Well, well. Scared of getting involved directly in the ukie war for 2 yrs, the US tries to do it secretly via their black sea spy drones.
The US has finally been provoked. But now theyve a price to pay.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 28 2024 14:10 utc | 29
Yet, the better response (as Martyanov seems to be saying) is arming proxy groups with advanced ASM weapons to hit FUKUS naval assets.
That certainly dovetails with Russia's warning that they'll start supplying better weapons to their allies. Clever.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 28 2024 14:12 utc | 30
The supply of advanced anti-ship missiles, anti-ship sea drones, and boat launched torpedoes to Syria, Lebanon, Iran, North Korea, and more recently to Yemen is not a new idea, and Martynov or whatever he is called should not be credited with it.
Posted by: Raddar | Jun 28 2024 14:26 utc | 31
It'll be fun hearing the Rules Based Order's spokesman, Antony Blinken, whining about Russia breaching the Laws of undeclared War.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 28 2024 14:27 utc | 32
I do not belive Russia would ever dare to touch a NATO plane or drone but we shall see..
Posted by: vargas | Jun 28 2024 13:24 utc | 13
That's what they told Gary Francis Powers just before he climbed into the cockpit of his U-2.
The Soviets shot down 14 NATO aircraft approaching or over their air space between 1950 and 1970 ... and one korean jet liner in 1983.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jun 28 2024 14:30 utc | 33
2 years ago Moscow repeatedly stated if they were attacked with NATO forces ( sheep dipped or not ) then those ordering those attacks would be targeted.
Ie - Ramstein, Incerlink, Brussels HQ, etc etc etc
What might be described as command & control centers :)
Posted by: Exile | Jun 28 2024 14:45 utc | 34
@ HB_Norica | Jun 28 2024 14:30 utc | 33
"The Soviets shot down ... and one korean jet liner in 1983."
It's important to note that KAL007 was shot down well inside the USSR. The lying Western MSM made a huge stink about those poor civilians, but the KAL pilots knew exactly what they were doing, and had been routinely doing these overflights with hidden cameras on the airliner. The truth was slow to come out back then. Headlines blared when it happened, but the truth only came out in the rare short paragraph in the back pages, if at all.
We don't want to accidentally recycle Cold War lies.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Jun 28 2024 14:55 utc | 35
Maybe the Russians will provide escort services to manned NATO surveillance aircraft, whether they have their own escort or not. No lock-on radar, just friendly greetings, good enough for video and CNN and MSNBC hysterics.
Didn't the US provide escort services in the past to Russian Bear bombers when they got too close to Alaska while in international airspace?
This escalation in the projection of power business is getting hysterical. The Canadians sending a tugboat and a frigate to Cuba, during a small Russian port call, the US putting a boomer sub on the surface for all the world to see, I believe near Norway.
I do like the report of a MIG possibly taking out a surveillance vehicle the other day. If true, I would not mention it. Any confirmation?
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 28 2024 14:59 utc | 36
while USSR was a proud country Russia cannot compare with it.
Russia wont dare to touch anything western due to endemic inferiority complex of Russian leaders.
They all dream to send their kids to the west.
Posted by: vargas | Jun 28 2024 15:00 utc | 37
while USSR was a proud country Russia cannot compare with it.
Posted by: vargas | Jun 28 2024 15:00 utc | 37
the soviet union was not a country.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 28 2024 15:12 utc | 38
There are plenty manned surveillance airplanes abusing the no-mans-land of international airspace over the Black Sea that are legitimate targets too.
What Washington wants is for the Russians to accidentally shoot down a civilian airliner. “They did it on purpose!” Miss Graham will scream in the Senate.
In reality, Russia will not oblige.
NAFO will just have to do it themselves.
Posted by: Fred777 | Jun 28 2024 15:21 utc | 39
obviously used for attack
Obviously for a large army of internet experts. But is it really? What kind of targeting information is needed that can't be provided by the many satelites over Crimea? What kind of guidance it needs during flight? None. It's all GPS and intertial guidance (adavanced, expensive versions). There is no real-time targeting signal or guidance needed from drones that might be there or not, having a malfunction or weather condition or not. They could be used to observe behavior for industry improvements though.
On the other hand, one can think of hundreds of other reasons why the US would fly drones in that area, which have nothing to do with any active participation.
Posted by: John Dowser | Jun 28 2024 15:21 utc | 40
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 28 2024 14:59 utc | 36
Escorting survelliance planes while letting them gather intelligence is just virtue signalling.
I suspect the Russians can jam NATO surveillance planes but I also suspect they would rather not expose those capabilities to NATO prematurely as once the frequencies can be analyzed it's only a matter of time until a countermeasure is devised.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jun 28 2024 15:25 utc | 41
Posted by: w | Jun 28 2024 12:38 utc | 5
Should US drone be directly shot down over black sea, US/UK will probably try to challenge this with manned surveillance planes, so to give a good reason to start WW3.
What US is very good at is goading other to attack so they can escalate with a pretext.
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Goading to escalate with a pretext, yes. Except they seem willing to escalate all the without pretext. They respect nothing. The continued escalations strongly suggest that these people don't have a clue, and just don't care. On the other hand, the Russian military planners have already mapped out scenarios. Russia's allies have not yet fully entered the fray and remain ready for the killing blow should it be required. If NATO are stupid enough, then NATO will be toast.
Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Jun 28 2024 15:27 utc | 42
Posted by: pyrrhus | Jun 28 2024 13:45 utc | 20I don't understand why these drones have not been shot down already...And I doubt that many Russians understand it either...If Medvedev were in charge, they would have been gone two years ago...
Because it has been a very well managed 'globalist' controlled escalation slowly leading into "WWIII", already underway but which we will be told we are in at the right time, probably after elections. Though if they need to cancel the US election for some reason like in Ukraine, then before - with a few choice bomb attacks and food shortages in several cities thrown in for good measure, seasoned perhaps with mass uprisings by the soon-to-be-deported MILLIONS of illegals, their machetes (and USG supplied Glocks and Uzis) turning the entire nation including leafy upper middle class taxpaying suburbs into a third world R-rated bloodbath. Which presumably is why all the violent gang criminals from San Salvador and Venezuela were shipped up and given free airfare, housing and medical care.
It's important to note that KAL007 was shot down well inside the USSR.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Jun 28 2024 14:55 utc | 35
I remember it well. I remember being worried about the news and going out for a run half expecting to see mushroom clouds on the horizon.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jun 28 2024 15:28 utc | 44
thanks b..
i was telling a friend this is the next step a few days ago.. here it is in the news today...
@ Fred777 | Jun 28 2024 15:21 utc | 39
yes, nato will have to do it, just like this did in 2014 with mh17..
Posted by: james | Jun 28 2024 15:43 utc | 45
Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Jun 28 2024 15:27 utc | 42
Nato will only execute a false flag if they think they can 'win' against Russia. And if they execute some very serious false flag, which Russia deems to imminently trigger 'article 5', they might just go ahead and nuke Nato bases in EUrostan.
But considering the fools running Nato, they might execute a serious false flag without the real conviction or understanding what it may cause, or what they understanding what they are doing. They do not have real conviction, they have barking and raving lunatics like Rutte, Kaja Kallas and Ursula VDL, and crazies in US congress.
I do agree with some posters that the lack of apparent strikes on some 'indirect fashion' on Natostan assets does lead to the raving lunatics in Brussels/Washington doing more and more unpredictable things. However, the problem for RU side is that there are no high profiled or visible Nato targets within Ukraine.
This is precisely the reason why RU should aid Iran in arming the proxy groups to hit US stuff in the Middle East. A cluster munition massacre of a US base, for example. What are viable British assets around the world that could hurt Britain?
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 28 2024 15:43 utc | 46
When it comes to manned U.S. Reconnaissance aircraft operating in "neutral" airspace over the black sea, the U.S. doesn't have toworry about Russia shooting one down. The Chinese already showed the world how it is done when they had a fighter "accidently" crash into a P-3 Orion taking it down.
Posted by: Matt | Jun 28 2024 16:01 utc | 47
Posted by: John Dowser | Jun 28 2024 15:21 utc | 40
Hmm, you mentioned there are "hundreds of other reasons for flying drones in the area, would you care to mention, say 10 to this ignorant soul? These drones are there for a reason and it ain't whale watching. If satellites were the end all/ be all of surveillance there would be no need for drones and the Houthis wouldn't have shot down five or six of them already.... So your argument has no merit... imhpo
Posted by: ctiger | Jun 28 2024 16:01 utc | 48
Posted by: Matt | Jun 28 2024 16:01 utc | 47
US has been trying to ram Reaper or Global Hawk drones on Russian SU-34 in Syria.
Exchanging a Su-34 for a RC-135 and its crew would probably be a viable trade.
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 28 2024 16:03 utc | 49
I agree with the comment by Jaared (Jun 28 2024 13:35 utc | 17) that the disclosure of a recent telephone call between respective defence ministers Austin and Belousov is Russia's way of telegraphing its intentions to a global audience that UAV drones are no longer welcome in the Black Sea.
I'd speculate further, that Russia would have already factored in that NATO, far from backing off, would respond with escalation in the form of NATO manned reconnaissance/AWACS planes complete with Stratotanker support.
So, it's possible in that phone call that Russia told NATO that manned or unmanned, the recent Crimean attack means that there will be a response.
The form of that response could be EW measures and if that doesn't work, as JessDTruth (Jun 28 2024 14:03 utc | 27) mentions, then Russia could adopt a jet fuel dump and afterburner strategy and if that doesn't work, a follow through with missiles and the beginning of NATO's hot war stage & for the rest of us, a chance to come to terms with a future diet of radioactive rats.
Either way, the fact that vargas has had to post twice in this thread to remind us that the Russians wouldn't dare do such a thing tells me the Empire is somewhat rattled.
PS:
Posted by: titmouse | Jun 28 2024 12:33 utc | 2
I always appreciate a Pink Flamingos reference.
Posted by: FakeBelieve | Jun 28 2024 16:08 utc | 50
So, there is now way to countermeasure or interfere drone radar and subveilance equipment?
Posted by: Vedran | Jun 28 2024 16:09 utc | 51
@ Posted by: JessDTruth | Jun 28 2024 14:03 utc | 27
Dear Mr Truth
I am confused by your statement.
https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104504/e-3-sentry-awacs/
Perhaps because I have no familiarity with military hardware and methods.
Please explain about shooting down AWACs over Turkey.
Posted by: jared | Jun 28 2024 16:11 utc | 52
Exile 34
I remember that, but am trying to untangle latest reports of Russia saying F16s launched from foreign bases to attack Russia make those bases targets, as well as claims the US has said the F16s will be launched from outside of Ukraine using NATO country bases.
The sources of that presentation, as well as if it is a mixmatch to include older statements, is not clear.
Anyone?
If true it appears as another escalation, beyond that of supplying Ukraine with weapons with open 'permission' to freely attack Russia with those.
For the drone story, I think wider perceptions will be that destroying a foreign unmanned vehicle is not justification for a retaliatory attack that causes human casualties. That said, those most likely to launch a retaliatory attack will most likely not be following that moral imperative.
Posted by: Ornot | Jun 28 2024 16:16 utc | 53
@ FakeBelieve | Jun 28 2024 16:08 utc | 50
good post.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Jun 28 2024 16:16 utc | 54
William Gruff | Jun 28 2024 13:54 utc | 24
"The Russians shoot down their own expensive surveillance aircraft by accident."
Note that at least one one of the Russian AWACS was actually shot down by a Patriot missile, which had been secretly moved close to the front line.
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Those reapers etc can probably be used as direct controlers of sea-drones. (re; UK influence)
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What about an "accident" in Syria? The US is pushing it's chances there as well, and their spy planes and drones have NO right to be there.
I suspect that most of us know WW3 is coming. We might be in the early days of WW3 right now. The only reason for Russia to hold back is that Russia needs to get prepared some more for what's coming. I would like Russia to have more A/D than they already have. A lot more. Just my humble opinion. Thank you for your time.
Posted by: Leroy | Jun 28 2024 16:28 utc | 56
As was pointed out in the comments, if Russia destroys US drones the US will just introduce AWACS to the Black Sea. It is my understanding that Russia has formidable electronic warfare capabilities. Perhaps Russia has the ability to give US AWACS escorts that are able to jam any signals coming from that plane, thus rendering them useless.
Another option would be the declaration of a no-fly zone over the black sea for all US and NATO aircraft. Of course, the question would be, will the US respect such a declaration?
Also, I remember a Russian fighter jet dumping fuel onto a drone and into the air intake of the drone's engine, causing it to crash into the sea.
Posted by: Beverly | Jun 28 2024 16:28 utc | 57
Putin is going to attack flying junk, halfway around the world from the United States — ya, that will strike fear in the eyes of the pentagon. Did drone maker stocks go up when he announced this?
This Stupid Military Operation is going the way of WW1:
1914 (2022) - Russia fails to take advantage of geographic pincer, similar to Ukraine. Clown car forces routed by Germany.
1915, 1916 (2023, 2024) - Slog
1917 (2025) - Serfs refuse to fight. Lenin takes power.
I suspect all of the casualty numbers are inflated. It seems Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are not fighting and instead hanging out on the sidelines. Why else would Putin be scouring the prisons for mercenaries. Have Russian commanders refused to send their boys into Vlad’s meat grinder?
We need a Christmas truce like in World War I. soldiers should cross the lines and embrace each other. Everyday is Christmas.
As we see, 1917 is 2025, if we compare this war to World War I. Ideally, both Zelensky and Putin will be overthrown by their own people sick of the war, as was the case in 1917. I suspect the power of both men will wane in 2025.
Posted by: Napoleon | Jun 28 2024 16:37 utc | 58
If Ansar Allah can do it, without any significant consequences i.e. only token and ineffective retaliation even though they are a very minor power, then there should be no problem with Russia doing the same, backed up by a powerful army and airforce and AA missile defences.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jun 28 2024 16:48 utc | 59
Will add that the source for that info was ZH via
"US Civil Defense News
CaptCoronado
Update: Russia has destroyed every Ukrainian airfield and air base capable of hosting NATO jet fighters. NATO said they will operate their ‘Ukrainian’ deployed fighter jets out of Poland and Romania. None will be stationed or flying off of a Ukrainian base!!
4:28 pm · 27 Jun 2024 283.3KViews 1,626 Reposts
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That is 283.3K Views for the tweet plus ZH readers etc.
"NATO said they will operate their ‘Ukrainian’ deployed fighter jets out of Poland and Romania"
Did I miss that report somewhere ?
Posted by: Ornot | Jun 28 2024 16:50 utc | 60
Posted by: Boo | Jun 28 2024 12:41 utc | 6
The USSR shot down quite a few manned spy planes during the Cold War, also without consequences, although the US possibly had sane leaders in those days.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jun 28 2024 16:51 utc | 61
Ukraine Weekly Update, 28th June 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-7b4
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jun 28 2024 16:54 utc | 62
I really think it is time that Russia uses some of its many friends in the Western world to fly their own drones along international waters near to the US just like the US is doing in the Black Sea. I am sure the Empire would very quickly call foul!
Posted by: Bill | Jun 28 2024 16:54 utc | 63
Looks like it will likely be Trump's call. What could go wrong there?
Posted by: jared | Jun 28 2024 13:45 utc | 21
I know some people look at Trump as the second coming of Satan himself, and no one is claiming Trump is perfect or didn't make any mistakes. But if you look at and compare the overall war record of the 12 years of Obama/Biden against Trump's record I think it's seriously misplaced concern verging on TDS.
Also, for those who are concerned about a second Trump presidency and going to war, I think there is a much greater chance/higher risk of the current administration escalating into a war long before the election.
Posted by: Phil R | Jun 28 2024 16:55 utc | 64
while USSR was a proud country Russia cannot compare with it.
Russia wont dare to touch anything western due to endemic inferiority complex of Russian leaders.
They all dream to send their kids to the west.
Posted by: vargas | Jun 28 2024 15:00 utc | 37
Artificial, not very Intelligent.
Russia needs to replicate the fuel dump flyover, but with a Honey Wagon of Slurried Excrement. Shooting Western surveillance with a few tonnes of their own sheet would be fitting and rightly insulting.
Posted by: kupkee | Jun 28 2024 16:56 utc | 65
Fort Sumnter
The Maine
Lusitania
Pearl Harbor
Sept. 11 2001and
Others?
Posted by: JaimeInTexas | Jun 28 2024 16:56 utc | 66
These drones provided targeting of civilians.
Time to shoot them down. If the guard aircraft intervene, shoot them down too. That is what any sovereign nation would do.
Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jun 28 2024 16:57 utc | 67
FakeBelieve | Jun 28 2024 16:08 utc | 50
So, it's possible in that phone call that Russia told NATO that manned or unmanned, the recent Crimean attack means that there will be a response
According to BORZZIKMAN, the Russians have already responded, and that they've eliminated 10 US Army officers who were involved in the attack on Sevastopol. And this with the assistance of the Ukrainian resistance.
Posted by: john | Jun 28 2024 16:57 utc | 68
The Huthis shot down US drones and there were no consequences. Russia also downed one and apparently shot another down recently. Also there were no consequences. The West repeatedly calls Russian red lines "imaginary". But even more imaginary are the red lines the US is supposed to have.
Posted by: xblob | Jun 28 2024 17:07 utc | 69
only way to destroy dollar is starting www3
everybody would shift to gold, etc, real estates
but with pussy chess master not really realistic
he loves to lick dollar boots
Posted by: killusd | Jun 28 2024 13:32 utc | 16
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WTF.... I suppose the chess master is President Putin. Your point is not clear; maybe you have what Biden has? Only a fool would (or could) wish for WW3.
Posted by: Ed | Jun 28 2024 17:13 utc | 70
Scorpion@1527
"All the King's horses and all the king's men"...could not impose gun-control violation of the 2nd Amendment in the ruptured republic currently recognized as the U$$A. There have been numerous attempts, particularly by mind-controlled "crazed shooters" (think satellite based psychotronic weaponry with low frequency messaging to pre-conscious elements of the lizard-brain...along with in some instances, post-hypnotic suggestion)...to create such a media stir that Americans will sucker for "save our children" hysteria and agree to gun-control legislation.
So we come to phase-two, in which literally millions of illegal immigrants given free access to America's borders. Amongst those millions are likely hundreds of thousands of gangsta criminals along with military trained operatives, scheduled to assault numerous NRA members , huge lists of known firearms owners...along with known dissidents. The U.$. military, particularly the National Guard,are highly unlikely to attack fellow Americans. However, on cue, highly selective migrants will pass along the orders to attack lawfully armed American citizens.
When considered rationally and analytically; it is not probable that any serious researcher could come up with a more probable scenario calculated to wipe out civilian resistance to an over-reaching government which is being run behind the scenes by plotters and schemers amongst the global financial elite.
Armed Americans are perhaps the primary stumbling-block to their best-laid plans.
Look at what happened Down Under in Australia where a mass-shooting event allowed their totally controlled regime to impose mass gun control upon their SUBJECTS...as without a Bill of Rights, those poor subjects of the Crown are currently defenseless.
Ditto Canuckistan, which is currently run by WEF stooges, the little Dick-Tater Trudie and his alter-ego, the Banderist grand-daughter of a major Ukie WWII Nazi Galician. Consider what they did to the truckers. No private weapons in Canuckistan either.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 28 2024 17:13 utc | 71
Posted by: john | Jun 28 2024 16:57 utc | 68
Most likely US officers are operating the Himars and ATACMS systems. If they are hit, so are US officers. Of course Nato will not acknowledge anything.
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 28 2024 17:16 utc | 72
It is interesting that the west stays pretty cool (if retarded) with the state of affairs in Ukraine, unless the issue of Odessa come-up - seems to be a tender spot.
But then if the west (Blackrock) has plans for that area (once everything is settled), then that will fall under the umbrella of western "assets" - which then warrants NATO protection (as in presence).
Which then restarts the problem, I would think.
But it appears that Odessa is a bridge too far in Russia's estimation. So, a problem.
Posted by: jared | Jun 28 2024 17:17 utc | 73
Imperator@1603
Unmanned, remote-control over aircraft technology was developed for the U.$. Military by Honeywell, decades ago. So if the Russians employ your "suggestion", there would be no need to sacrifice a valuable pilot. Presumably, the Russians also have had that remote-control technology.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 28 2024 17:19 utc | 74
The most important thing in that MOD report is that they, as far as I know, for the first time accuse NATO of providing targeting for Ukrainian missiles.
Because if you do that you are technically at war. Note how also NATO denies this, saying Ukraine independently attacks.
The way to go about this is to simply provide evidence about how much NATO is involved in these missile barrages. What precisely.
Posted by: alek_a | Jun 28 2024 17:25 utc | 75
unimperator | Jun 28 2024 17:16 utc | 72
Yeah, watch the video...it's only 5 minutes or so.
Posted by: john | Jun 28 2024 17:25 utc | 76
Jared@17:17
What you may have failed to realize or recognized is that Odessa is an ethnic RUSSIAN city. Under the RtP doctrine, Russia has every right to protect their own people. There never has been a significant Ukie presence in Odessa. Also, consideration must be given to the fact that by resuming control over the entire central as well as eastern Black Sea; the RU would be in position to prevent hostile elements from attacking their land from the seaport cities in that vicinity.
After a NovoUkrainia is established in that portion of the former Ukraine SSR; should the RU be in a generous mood, they could enable their Slavic brothers to enjoy the use of those ports for purely domestic trade. That would be a win-win scenario, based upon historical reality between the R.U. and the Ukraine dialect folk of NovoUkrainia.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 28 2024 17:31 utc | 77
It is past overdue to eliminate all US ISR assets being used against Russia. It will begin with drones but likely will escalate. I think next would be to shoot down one US intelligence satellite for each missile that enters Russian airspace which includes the Donbass. The US can reciprocate but Russia isn't completely reliant on satellite intelligence. After that then the AWACS would be an obvious next choice. Should the US begin the long process of deployment if US forces to Europe then the next step would be shipping and air transport including charter aircraft. It is a slow escalatory process but has now begun.
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jun 28 2024 17:39 utc | 78
What kind of targeting information is needed that can't be provided by the many satelites over Crimea? What kind of guidance it needs during flight? None. It's all GPS and intertial guidance (adavanced, expensive versions). There is no real-time targeting signal or guidance needed from drones that might be there or not, having a malfunction or weather condition or not. They could be used to observe behavior for industry improvements though... one can think of hundreds of other reasons why the US would fly drones in that area, which have nothing to do with any active participation.
Posted by: John Dowser | Jun 28 2024 15:21 utc | 40
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It was my understanding that the ATACMS required top secret codes to be launched, and that the navigational data sources are protected via top secret communications with specific satellites.
I could be wrong though, perhaps you could ask your military specialist at NED headquarters.
Posted by: Ed | Jun 28 2024 17:46 utc | 79
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 28 2024 17:13 utc | 71
I don't have the exact numbers, as I am on my phone, but compliance with new gun laws from citizens who are not criminals has completely stopped.
Illinois, New Jersey and Canada all have less than a 1% compliance with new gun laws on things such as magazine capacity and for Illinois I think it was an ar-15 law that was not complied with.
If I remember correctly, for the Illinois law, Pritgzer the jew governor and his legislative body put a 3 month deadline and penalty of breaking the law being a felony and by the deadline on the 1st of January of 2024 or 2023, 99% of the 50,000 IL state residents chose to risk felony rather than comply.
I've stopped keeping close watch on gun law stuff when I personally was convinced that the average White american, law abiding gun owner was not going to comply with anything anymore.
It is still a problem because you can't buy some stuff now but everyone who already has it are not going to be giving it up.
Posted by: ryanggg | Jun 28 2024 17:49 utc | 80
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 28 2024 15:43 utc | 46
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Cyprus is a legitimate target which will hurt the brutish. Iran can assist with that via Hizbollah mighty powerhouse in the ME. Then the Zionist project.
Posted by: AI | Jun 28 2024 17:57 utc | 81
There is no doubt that RF can shoot down awacs manned or unmanned.
Difference with Houthis action is that hour is are already in a war with USA, that bombs Yemen daily, so what could USA do to escalate/retaliate, nuke some village in Yemen?
Different scenario is in Ukraine, formally west is not involved in the war, is all about RF vs Ukraine.
RF plays a superlegal game or, at least, pretend to do so and this work as good or for the row.
If they down a target west will go 'See ya, we told ya that Russian are orcs and Putin is the devil'.
That is exactly the scenario that the west is desperately in need of and that is why RF is not going for it.
Barflies can whine and scream about RF weakness or Putin being a pussy, but that's it, they can only keep on whining.
Posted by: Mario | Jun 28 2024 17:59 utc | 82
Posted by: John Dowser | Jun 28 2024 15:21 utc | 40
Satellites can mostly see static targets, but they aren't that quick or efficient to locate some targets like AD radars or launchers. A drone is much more efficient and timely locating radars.
If the drones are out of the picture, Nato abilities on Crimea get cut in half. It doesn't mean they won't launch attacks, but much lower chance of locating a mobile target or launching attack in the first place.
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 28 2024 18:00 utc | 83
IMO, they are likely to employ the same strategy that they use for sea provacations ; RAM the MFers. I One of the oldest techniques of warfare, Ramming is coming back! The Lebanese are using Trebuchets. Whats next, shield walls?
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Jun 28 2024 18:02 utc | 84
@80
New York banned ar 15 and the like less than 1% turned in!
No local police care!
US is at the “out of my cold dead hands” stage
Posted by: paddy | Jun 28 2024 18:02 utc | 85
Posted by: FakeBelieve | Jun 28 2024 16:08 utc | 50
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Russian Arm Forces can easily neutralize the entire neo-NAZI NATO diclining army over the Black Sea very easily but they prefer to opt for a diplomatic solution and peace route first rather than further escalation. Are the gringos listening?
Posted by: AI | Jun 28 2024 18:03 utc | 86
Russia can 'accidentally' shoot down any airplane they want, anytime.
The USA has set the precedent a couple of times. Apparently all you have to do is issue a disingenuous "Whoops, sorry" (Iran Air 655) or simply deny your people did it at all (TWA 800).
The West tells us Russia is incompetent and sloppy, so an 'incompetent and sloppy accident' shooting down some US stuff, should be completely acceptable.
Posted by: saner | Jun 28 2024 18:13 utc | 87
[email protected] Russia has to do is declare navel exercises in specific blocks of the Black Sea, then issue NOTAMs. Any aircraft flying in that zone might accidentally be, hmm....in harm's way. A polite, "fly at your own risk" reminder.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 28 2024 18:24 utc | 88
Looking at it from a Russian point of view, if taking out unmanned drones that are responsible for civilian deaths is going to cause nato and usOfa to go to war with us - it is pretty certain that overt war is/was inevitable.
#35 KAL 007 Cameras no, not important. Big technical write up back then on how the KAL 007 was used as a reference point for telemetry of a fairly new SU ballistic missile.
I have been of the school of "when not if" the unmanned drones especially RQ4's start getting taken down over water at steadily increasing distances from RF. There was chatter about 3 days ago about a missing RQ4. Before the call by Austin (first since 2023 - March I believe).
What I will be on the look out for will be expenses, logistics and up time for paired AWAC and fighter bombers operating in the Crimean sea. Not cheap flying a couple fighters. The up time for F-22s and F-35's is way less the 15's and 16's in their prime. Operating out of Tukiye is possibly not realistic long term. Poland and Romania.
I have heard chatter from not so trusted sites that the F-16's to UKR is going to be based out of Moldova. Any hard sources about military airports in Moldova being upgraded, sheep dipped nato maintenance and/or air controllers seen, etc. would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by: paxmark1 | Jun 28 2024 18:27 utc | 89
Posted by: Ornot | Jun 28 2024 16:16 utc | 53
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"There is a certain number of airplanes "F-16s" that will be at safe bases, not in Ukraine, so that they should not become targets here. This will be our reserve in case we need to replace defective aircraft and during maintenance work," Sergey Golubtsov, the chief of aviation of the Ukrainian Air Force Command has said in an interview with the Ukrainian service of Radio Liberty radio station (recognized in Russia as a foreign media agent and included in the register of undesirable organizations).
Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova earlier noted that NATO-supplied planes to Ukraine would be a legitimate target for Russia's military regardless of where they were based.
June 16 2024
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"Any unfriendly supplies of lethal weapons to the Kiev regime will be considered by our country as direct sponsoring terrorism, which kills civilians and destroys civilian infrastructure. F-16’s will be a priority target to be neutralized at the very stage of their transfer and the justification for the destruction of new deployment bases," said Mikhail Sheremet, a member of the Russian State Duma (lower house of parliament) and a member of the State Duma security and anti-corruption committee. According to the lawmaker, the Danish fighter jets will not spare Ukraine’s armed forces from being defeated.
Posted by: AI | Jun 28 2024 18:36 utc | 90
Posted by: paxmark1 | Jun 28 2024 18:27 utc | 89
It is probable that Nato can repair runways in Ukraine, which are the easiest to repair after a crater. RUAF probably doesn't deliberately target tarmac for that reason as it is easy to repair.
However, Nato will be hard pressed to defend any weapon loading equipment, or aircraft maintenance equipment in Ukraine, as all the airbase locations are known and they are surveilled periodically.
So we can take it as a given that Nato simply can't base F-16 or F-22 or whatever from Ukraine's air bases. If this is true, then the aircraft are maintained and armed outside Ukraine.
They most likely can refuel these aircraft on Ukrainian bases, as tarmac is easier to repair and fueling equipment or holding tanks are universal and easily replaceable, and fuel (relatively speaking).
Now the important question IMHO for determining originating base of aircraft is where it was armed. Because the sortie was launched from the point of arming. If they arm them in Moldova, Poland or Romania, the game is nearing the end. It also means NATO has been squeezed out of Ukrainian airfields and they resort to 'breaking the rules'.
Despite all the commentators here thinking there aren't any red lines, this would probably be one. Martyanov also said the RU radars are over-the-horizon and can very well determine where those F-16 came from in the first place.
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 28 2024 18:40 utc | 91
Posted by: paxmark1 | Jun 28 2024 18:27 utc | 89
Moldova is not a Nato country and, formally, is neutral.
Operating f16 from Moldova is legally problematic and RF would have fair game.
Not even need to shoot them down, blow them on the airstrip.
Posted by: Mario | Jun 28 2024 18:40 utc | 92
I agree I don't think the (US) will retaliate if its drones are brought down, there's far too much to lose in a larger conflict to go to war for a few drones shot down, but you never know what the Mad Dogs at the Pentagon are thinking.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 28 2024 18:41 utc | 93
Posted by: Napoleon | Jun 28 2024 16:37 utc | 58
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By news for you troll. Supreme Commander in Chief of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin is here to stay much longer than what you think. Instead, Micron will get his ass pumped very hard very soon and ditched to the wolves like a rat he is.
Posted by: AI | Jun 28 2024 18:44 utc | 94
All I can say is "another warning?" jeez,knock some of those f___g drones down, targeting, controlling direct atks on Russia-atks are an act of war, Russia is being attacked, so WTF,WTF please forget the "measured," the "mature<" and knock some of those f_g targetng drones down, only thing blinky, nuland, sullivan, will understand.
Posted by: Taras 77 | Jun 28 2024 18:46 utc | 95
I don't understand the F-16 airport thing. Ukr. must have commercial airports - so that Zelensky can go on begging tours. Why can't they use these? In Nazi Germany, they used parts of the Autobahn. So, there's highways to think about.
Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 28 2024 18:47 utc | 96
Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 28 2024 18:47 utc | 96
Commercial airports or 'Autobahns' are mostly good for refueling aircraft. It is very hard/too costly/too inconvenient to disperse sparse missile supplies and specialized loading equipment into several low condition highways or badly maintained commercial airports. Commercial airports also don't have proper shelter for storing missiles, aircraft and equipment.
This is why specialized bases are used, and it is increasingly evident Nato is resorting to the 'easy' solution of using Moldovan, Polish or Romanian bases as a base of origin.
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 28 2024 18:51 utc | 97
https://www.drudgereport.com/
Apologies for posting link to this POS but I could resist at the shock of the photo, the links from this ultra leftist POS, when bribem has lost this site, it can only be over, to state the obvious.
Posted by: Taras 77 | Jun 28 2024 18:51 utc | 98
let putin bring in the houtis from yemen and station them in the black sea. give them missiles for their target practice. putin can wash his hands. well, its the houtis..and they are now everywhere.
Posted by: andreweed | Jun 28 2024 18:53 utc | 99
I don't read that text like that. I doesn't say drones will be targets or something was lost in translation. Looks like blabla for their own public. The did the same after Crocus, then a week later all was forgotten. Give them a few more days and no one will remember the Crimea attack, so no action will be needed anymore. Problem solved.
@Eighthman | Jun 28 2024 18:47 utc | 96
I don't think he lives in Ukr, he takes the plane from Poland and fighter jets are following. All guests arrive in Ukr by train, at least that's what the photos they publish show.
Posted by: rk | Jun 28 2024 19:10 utc | 100
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https://www.southfront.press/russian-defense-minister-orders-army-to-prepare-response-to-u-s-drone-flights-over-black-sea/
this is beginning to get serious?
Posted by: snake | Jun 28 2024 12:25 utc | 1