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June 30, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-153

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

Of interest:

US has sent Israel thousands of 2,000-pound bombs since Oct. 7Reuters

Between the war's start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Israel Reduces Food for Palestinian Security Prisoners, Conceals Data, Sources Say (archived) – Haaretz

The petition was filed following the dozens of testimonies from security prisoners and detainees who are not connected with Hamas that the Prison Service has significantly reduced their food rations, to the point of starvation, causing them to shed dozens of kilograms.

The Postwar Vision That Sees Gaza Sliced Into Security Zones Concentration Camps (archived) – Wall Street Journal

The plans—whether or not they get adopted in full—reveal hard realities about the aftermath that rarely get voiced. Among them, that Palestinian civilians could be confined indefinitely to smaller areas of the Gaza Strip while fighting continues outside, and that Israel’s army could be forced to remain deeply involved in the enclave for years until Hamas is marginalized.

Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank (archived) – Foreign Policy

In late February, Smotrich—an avowed homophobe and proponent of Jewish superiority—signed an agreement with Defense Minister Yoav Gallant to transfer a number of governmental powers in the West Bank from the territory’s military commander to Smotrich. (In addition to serving as finance minister, Smotrich is also a minister in the Defense Ministry.) The move was agreed upon in the coalition agreement between Likud and the Religious Zionist Party.

Comments

“I love being told what to think and how to think and what I must understand and clearly do not as I obviously have never read any history and being called “sweet” by “sweet” and very serious people.”
Posted by: Jane | Jul 1 2024 23:13 utc | 195
If only you had read your Marx texts more carefully, you wouldn’t be making these childish mistakes. You mean well, we see that, but it is necessary to correct you when you make significant (but probably innocent) trangressions. The priests are being very kind to you here, gently pointing out your heresies. Further and more diligent studies in the catechisms will be very helpful for you, good child.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 0:42 utc | 201

Most European Airlines have stopped flights to Lebanon until end of July. Zionists are probably waiting for the US carrier group with a large contingent of Marines to arrive in theater.

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 2 2024 1:11 utc | 202

Before everyone gets upset over another storm in a teacup with ‘Sweet Jane’, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHxLawJONeQ

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 2 2024 1:13 utc | 203

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 1 2024 23:36 utc | 196
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I am not going to list and deal with all the stuff you put in my mouth and attribute to me in this long, convoluted comment. Way too long to be an appropriate response to anything I actually said in either of my brief comments.
Just one little thing: You accuse me of “temerity” about one thing or the other. The “temerity” shoe is on the wrong foot.
You and Patroklus and Mr. K, try to smile occasionally.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 2 2024 1:15 utc | 204

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 1 2024 21:41 utc | 177
Compared to Gorbachev, Yeltsin was a patriot angel …

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 2 2024 1:19 utc | 205

the offence of suggesting that the arch-traitor Yeltsin was remotely interested in the good of the RF and its people goes too far. Especially after he proved in deeds his actual intentions to the fullest.
Now, we should revert to the subject of Palestine.
Posted by: Constantine | Jul 1 2024 23:43 utc | 197
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Reading comprehension—You appear not to have understood what I wrote.
As for “Now, we should revert to the subject of Palestine.”
What a pompous instruction after your own looooong and pointless OT digressions.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 2 2024 1:25 utc | 206

I just put together recent links that show the level of destruction of infrastructure in Gaza:
Rafah crossing to Egypt
https://t.me/GazaNewsNow/309529
Jabalia
https://t.me/GazaNewsNow/309469
“Hebrew sources
The army returned Rafah to the Stone Age….
A picture shows downtown Rafah before the incursion, and another picture after the incursion, the bombing of buildings, and the Israeli air strikes.”
https://t.me/Sohaibpress/60520
Recent evacuation order
https://t.me/GazaNewsNow/309548

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 2 2024 1:27 utc | 207

Let’s not start calling each other sweet or our drinks will be full of puke 😛
. . .
I mean imagine if I started called you “sweet KMRIA” 😀
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 1 2024 23:50 utc | 199
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Thanks, Sunny!
Dear sweet “avuncular” KMRIA (probably of an age to be my grandson) missed the insincere, vinegar part.
(;-))

Posted by: Jane | Jul 2 2024 1:33 utc | 208

If only you had read your Marx texts more carefully, you wouldn’t be making these childish mistakes. You mean well, we see that, but it is necessary to correct you when you make significant (but probably innocent) trangressions. The priests are being very kind to you here, gently pointing out your heresies. Further and more diligent studies in the catechisms will be very helpful for you, good child.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 0:42 utc | 205
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OMG, you can’t be serious…
You are not serious.
Very funny!

Posted by: Jane | Jul 2 2024 1:36 utc | 209

The IDF war machine is in full gear now, supposedly upgrading for its foray into Hezbollah territory in southern Lebanon.
Yet the IDF is already hip deep in the Gaza quagmire, with over 2K KIA’s and 5K WIA’s, even though officially only acknowledging 300 KIA’s, but evidence of over crowded military hospitals and funerals far exceeding those numbers abound.
Hamas and JIP forces continue to use asymmetric tactics in the ruins of Gaza City and Rafah and Kunis using modern ATGM weapons and RPG’s. The puzzling aspect is while the they are using the ATGM’s and RPG’s to great effect and with superior cover in the urban ruins of these cities, they have used no or have no MANPADS. How is that possible? Plenty of ATGM’s and no MANPADS?
Advancing into Lebanon will be a “Bridge too Far” for Bibi. His reserve troops are burned out from continuous use in Gaza and the viotile West Bank, his armored forces have suffered significant losses in Gaza and now will face a sophisticated anti armor resourced opponent in Lebanon, a force with vast resources of ATGM’s and AA capacities, with loads of MANPADS and quick resupply from Syria, and Iran. The interior terrain is rigorous, not flat. Its a brutal ask for an IDF force already at the limit.
Instead of negotiating a peace deal, the IDF is now embarking on yet another fool’s errand. LOL, get out the popcorn, the real war is about to start………….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 2 2024 1:39 utc | 210

” Daily at EI (electronic intifada) moonsie. Bodies dead count and images of soldiers is bad for MIC business -so essentially forbidden. So where are they?-got to do a little get past censor homework.
Posted by: Slim | Jul 1 2024 9:15 utc | 105 ”
Thats not how things work. I’ve seen tens of dozens of the videos put out by Hamas so I’ve done my research. Since you, and others, insist that hundreds of tanks were destroyed its incumbent upon you to provide conclusive evidence. Basically, there should be plenty of videos to back that up. Yet, no flying turrets, no ammo cook offs, and no charred bodies. Thats odd to me.

Posted by: Moonie | Jul 2 2024 1:42 utc | 211

Posted by: Jane | Jul 2 2024 1:36 utc | 213
Ha. For a minute there I thought I might have to add a /sarc tag. You get it.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 1:43 utc | 212

Before everyone gets upset over another storm in a teacup with ‘Sweet Jane’, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHxLawJONeQ
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 2 2024 1:13 utc | 207
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Good advice!
Great song.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 2 2024 1:44 utc | 213

Some nice tidbits.
– President Putin On Israel: Quotes From The Kremlin Website –
https://orientalreview.su/2018/05/10/president-putin-on-israel-quotes-from-the-kremlin-website/

Posted by: Moonie | Jul 2 2024 1:49 utc | 214

Posted by: Jane | Jul 2 2024 1:36 utc | 213
Ha. For a minute there I thought I might have to add a /sarc tag. You get it.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 1:43 utc | 216
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((;-))

Posted by: Jane | Jul 2 2024 1:53 utc | 215

If only you had read your Marx texts more carefully, you wouldn’t be making these childish mistakes. You mean well, we see that, but it is necessary to correct you when you make significant (but probably innocent) trangressions. The priests are being very kind to you here, gently pointing out your heresies. Further and more diligent studies in the catechisms will be very helpful for you, good child.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 0:42 utc | 205
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OMG, you can’t be serious…
You are not serious.
Very funny!
Posted by: Jane | Jul 2 2024 1:36 utc | 213
You may laugh, but it’s the commissar’s bullet you should be wary of!

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2024 1:59 utc | 216

All this left-right foofaraw is making my head hurt. That conceptualization is so 19th Century…and here we are in the 21st. Both the “right” and the “left” as currently iterated are no longer accurate paradigms. For those who have yet to get it; the core of the problem centers on highest financial barons working behind the scenes to continue their divide and conquer narrative in order to maintain their position at the “Zugspitze”…atop Mont Blanc or Everest, allegorically and metaphorically speaking.
Both controlled affiliations, characterized as right and left, are chameleon-like in the modes by which they constantly and consistently support new “causes”. Here in my home state of Minnesota, the Twin Cities, having in their metros the majority of the state’s entire population. Those rat-race habitants generally have little to no knowledge of exactly who it is who sit in the Legislature in St. Paul…or who allegedly “represent” them in Congress and the Senate. Wokeism prevails amongst the Democrat FORMER Labor Party…no longer the Farmer laborites. Those declining demographics are essentially ignored by the party people who dance with all the minorities they can conjure up.
Meanwhile, the Republicrats are all about the law n’ order racket, but did nothing to seriously take on the wokeist governor and attorney general when the George Floyd riots ultimately destroyed Lake Street, the heart of South Minneapolis. There exists a RINO Republican website which hosted a recent major figure in the Zioni$t $tate. It’s all about campaign contributions for those “alternatives” to the DFL machine.
So on a single and perhaps singular state level, NOBODY in the so-called “left” and “right” alternatives is there for the good of the people. They are in it for themselves and posture unashamedly to rack up those votes from a deliberately dumbed-down population.
There is no genuine populist political alliance which runs on a platform which echoes the plaintive protest song:”We’re not gonna take it any more”. Again, the faux left/right paradigm is culturally and politically inane. The Democan and Republicrat parties are simply two peas in a pod, bought and paid for by the ruling financier elite. Here in Minnesota the prime suspects would be the primary owners of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 2:00 utc | 217

slim@915
You got that right. The Electronic Intifada is one of my regular go-to’s. They have been sharing videos of numerous Talmudistani Merkavas and other armored vehicles “cooking off”. Recently, I stopped turning in to the Southfront site as they consistently cite the totally lying Israeli casualty levels…at only a few hundred combat deaths…and do not even mention figures shared by the freedom-fighters.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 2:07 utc | 218

fyi
as noted by others, big snub to israel and the USA.
sea changes are at work
https://x.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1807055039585714523
BREAKING:
The Arab League removed Hezbollah from the list of terrorist organizations.
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202407018033
Arab League Removes Hezbollah From Terror List; How Iran and US Iran Influencers Benefit
The Arab league is no longer classifying Hezbollah as a terrorist entity, a move that experts say is a big win for Iran and serves to strengthen the Iranian proxy in Lebanon.
The Arab League’s Assistant Secretary-General Hossam Zaki made the announcement on Saturday, according to Arab media.
The Arab league labeled the Shiite militant group a terrorist organization in 2016, backed by 22 member states with the firm support of Saudi Arabia.
Walid Phares, a Foreign Policy expert and American academic who has advised US presidential candidates, said the Iran influencers in Washington may have made the suggestion to remove the Iran-backed proxy as a terror organization to keep the status-quo in Lebanon, and prevent a looming war between Hezbollah and Israel.
The Iran influence “may have convinced those Arab countries that for the time being, if you stop the designation, this will convince the Israelis that the international community is against any action Israelis are going to take into Lebanon,” Phares told Iran International.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 2 2024 2:12 utc | 219

/cheep
I want to thank everyone for the extra effort to be topical and have forbearance to those who test our patience. 🙂 I’m sure b will return and provide a new batch of fresh topics for us to romp inside.
🙂 b, I and others appreciate your good examples!
/cheep
/flies back into the brambles

Posted by: titmouse | Jul 2 2024 2:16 utc | 220

Re Aristo @ 221, left/right
Christopher Caldwell wrote a very interesting essay that appeared as a NYT guest essay on June 23:
“The E.U. Is Revealing Its True Identity. Europeans Don’t Like It.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/23/opinion/european-union-elections-nationalism.html
I circulated this to my list, with the comment below:
“This very interesting essay appeared in the June 23 NY Times.
In it Caldwell analyzes the tensions within the EU, historic tensions between the EU and the USA, and the meaning of the current swing to the right in recent (and most probably future) elections.
I disagree with a few of his points, but the discussion especially of the increasing meaninglessness of “left/right” labeling at it affects Europe (and, I submit, the USA) is worth the read.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 2 2024 2:19 utc | 221

Aleph_Null@2141
Well stated as to the situation in British politrix, where the Cons have self-sabotaged while the Labourites are staunchly backing the Battenberg dynasty as well as that little private bank in City of London, which runs the entire dog and pony show. This from a Yank who does keep up a bit on world matters. Is Farage for real? Would he present a genuine alternative? It is quite refreshing to George Galloway and his Rochdale constituency speaking truth to power…as I see it from this vantage point.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 2:26 utc | 222

steven t. johnson@2241
Stated as a devout ideologue. Contemporary politrix in the U$$A and throughout the Collective Wa$te is but a divide and conquer dog n’ pony show. Two peas in a pod, under full operative control of the 8 Crime Clan families, only one of them American, the Rottenfellers. Arguing partisan politrix is a dead-end.
We are at the end of the 6,000 year Kali Yuga…at its very apex…where instead of the cream rising to the top, it is inevitably the scum. Materialistic values and insane rationalistic academicism are but servants of the ruling elite.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 2:36 utc | 223

Cynic@2244
Right on the magical elevens…doubled and quadrupled…numerologically. Quite astute about the self-demolition of what is left of the Left. The Right/Left paradigm is but a relic of 19th Century thought and 20th Century political pretense along with cultural devolution.
The esoteric, spiritual dimension is coming more and more into play as all major institutions collapse because of their internal incoherence due to misplaced value systems.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 2:41 utc | 224

Aristodemos @ 226
Farage is a mini trump. He’s trying to present a respectable front for the sake of media and more votes. But his thugish ignorent supporters are baying for blood refugee blood. notably one of his canvasers caught on tape suggesting the refugees in inflatable boats should be used for target practice.
In fairness he sayes it was a set up by a tv crew.
I dont care, i here his supporters almost every day both i and farage know that is what he stands for, ‘dog whistle politic populism.’

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 2:45 utc | 225

Resistance round-up Mondays actions
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/fighting-rages-on-in-shejaiya-resistance-roundup-day-269/
Comments – both northern and southern fronts very active. Nil news from Naval Blockade. 4 Merkavas struck; none counted as destroyed. Tally remains 198 Merkavas knocked-out.
Article detailing needs of IDF for more conscripts
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-army-crisis-10000-soldiers-needed-as-900-officers-consider-resigning-amid-gaza-war/

Posted by: Exile | Jul 2 2024 2:45 utc | 226

steven t. johnson@2248
At it again, I see…iditiology. V.V. Putin is viewed by a majority of Russians as a good tsar, a traditionalist. He has somehow created a synthesis between his original Marxist perspectives and a highly evolved communitarian systematized direction which is still in the development state. For consumer production, he is not opposed to free enterprise…and even to a reductionist form of capitalism. After all, he is engaged in a major conflict with the Collective Wa$te and that requires a cohesive community of dedication.
In stark contrast with the U$$A, with its largest WarDefense Industry, Lockheed-Martin, producer of the F-35 “Flying Turkey/Hangar Queen at a cool TRILLION and counting, due to a no-bid contract and expeditious cost overrun allowances. Primary owners/shareholders of that mega-corporation (the owners of much of Congre$$) just happen to be “London Bankers”. Guess who, specifically. That contrast is that Russia’s military production is primarily socialized and operates comparatively at Kopeks on the Ruble versus tens on the Dollar.
The Russian president is NOT a mere reflection of the drunken fool who gave into the Harvardite “economists” and turned most state entities over to Talmudist apparatchiks who received easy loans from those self-same London Bank$ters. V.V. Putin has restored the R.U. to the 4th major economy on the planet…with his Hegelian-infused synthesism. Somehow, that man has achieved the previously unknown centralized hat-trick by combining state control with economic liberalization on the domestic front, along with cost-effective socialization towards essential military exigencies.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 2:56 utc | 227

Jane: Thanks. I enjoy your acute and astute perspectives.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 2:58 utc | 228

suresh@111
Yanks in the Med need to bear in mind that Ansar Allah, aka the Houthis, don’t give a royal rat’s raunchy rump about that molting old eagle. Now equipped with hypersonic missiles; that bunch of landing-ships et al will continue to cower behind Sicily…and that Marine expeditionary force will be most thankful that they do not need to face off against a hundred thousand thoroughly pissed-off and very well trained as well as highly motivated Hezbollah fighting men.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 3:08 utc | 229

Asistodemos @ 226
You cant re-invent left and right just like that. But i understand why you feel you would want to. The term left has been curupted by US rightwing fascist scum trump supporters.
You cant flush trump racism down the memory hole. Ditto the term woke stolen from the black comunity curupted to mean gay, to slur the left. You have manifestd fascism and unleashed it round the world.
Like frankinstine’s monster, its out of your control now, and will consume all including its creater. Fascism killed hitler.
America will look like Raffah in palistine. This is not a game.
Sorry not sorry.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 3:11 utc | 230

ornot@127
Though I’m hardly an expert on Muslim thinking; it strikes me that in some not too distant future they will consider all those genocided Gaza Palestinians as mass-martyrs. The martyrdom will be celebrated for centuries…as it is their sacrifice which will ultimately dissolve the Occupational butt-pimple currently squatting on traditional Palestine.
It is not improbable that the relative handful of Jews who never left Palestine will be accepted by their fellow former Jewish peoples who converted first to Christianity and in larger numbers over time, to Islam. Perhaps, some of the conscientious resisters amongst the Occupiers will also be welcomed into the New Palestine which is now but a cherished dream of a more honest and just future.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 3:15 utc | 231

Further to my above…
When i say ‘you’ i dint mean you. I mean America, just to clarify.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 3:17 utc | 232

Tobias Cole@139
Home Run. You succinctly and tellingly hit all the critical points.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 3:18 utc | 233

@ Jane | Jul 2 2024 2:19 utc | 225
thanks jane.. and ditto aristodemos comment to you @ 232.. that is a great read @ 225.. i had to find another means of reading it, as i have refused to sign onto the nyt page..here it is for anyone else interested in reading it, via a different outlet… these labels left and right have indeed been turned on their head… it used to be speaking out against murder and genocide was a thing that people on the left did.. at least that is always how i thought of it.. but what is happening with regard to israel/palestine is israel is now the new south africa apartheid state and the european union is a okay with this, as is the usa/canada and many of these so called liberal loving freedom and democracy countries… thanks for sharing this opinion piece from the nyt..
The E.U. Is Revealing Its True Identity. Europeans Don’t Like It.

Posted by: james | Jul 2 2024 3:20 utc | 234

Moonie@142
Have you actually viewed those Electronic Intifada videos? How bout the podcasts of Muhamad Od? I can’t quite imagine that Sillycone Valley censors would allow any “charred bodies” of defunct occupiers to be viewed in their controlled space of “acceptable” by the CIA and FBI private media-control organs.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 3:22 utc | 235

mark2@235
Thanks for responding to my query on Farage. Seems that Galloway was spot on with his assessment of yet another politician whoring for votes.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 3:27 utc | 236

Tom will come along soon and blame everything on the boomers. It isn’t Marxists or Fascists or leftists or Trump. It’s the boomers born 1946 to 1964 that has caused all this mayhem!

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 3:33 utc | 237

Some love Galloway some hate him (like marmite) i think he is allways right on the truth, integrity and credability. Thats why they hate him. Fearless.
Labour will win on this thursday…
Keir starmer their leader has a mossad agent in his private office.
Respect

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 3:34 utc | 238

Lavrovs Favourite @ 243
Brilliant that needs a frame on my wall.
Things are turmultous at the momment.
Respect

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 3:53 utc | 239

Keir starmer their leader has a mossad agent in his private office.
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Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 3:34 utc | 242
His wife?
I know nothing about the electorate he is standing in but it would be great if enough people there voted strategically to put someone else in. Labour would still be the government.

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 2 2024 3:59 utc | 240

mark2@311
In case you have yet to notice the overall tenor of my postings…I TOTALLY despise idiotology. If you attribute “wokeism” to gays, you have another think coming. As one of perhaps a dozen original founders of the 1969 gay liberation movement, from FREE in May in Minneapolis, to the CHF and the San Francisco Free press in August and then onto lodging with the redoubtable Morris Kight…on his invite on 2-12-70…I invested those months as a full-time activist. My association with that original movement…long since coopted by a combination of wealthy gays and outsiders with an agenda…crescendoed and terminated with and shortly after the Christopher Street West parade in July of ’70. That massive celebratory coming-out party was the very FIRST major “pride” parade.
Duties accomplished, I hied back to Minnesota a couple weeks after CSW and along the way I happened to pick up a copy of Time magazine. Theirs was the first major national media coverage of a gay liberation event. The tone of their article was surprisingly positive. The kicker was a slogan which I had suggested as a button to be produced by LAGLF: “Better Blatant than Latent”.
Since that memorable couple of years, with the Committee for Homosexual Freedom activating in April of ’69…in San Francisco, of course…the wave then exploded in quiet, culturally conservative Minneapolis where my then lesbian roommate Korrine Phelps, suggested that we form a homosexual study group at the Upper Midwest’s primary hippie hangout on the near campus West Bank on Cedar Avenue, the Coffeehouse Extempore. Having already been active in political matters, I suggested to the gathering that we form an organization called FREE, acronymic for Fight Repression of Erotic Expression.
My roomie had been in touch with Leo Laurence, the primary mover and shaker for CHF in San Francisco. So I quit my editor position and invited Chris, my hottie B.F. to ride along. A genuine Tranny of the first and original order, Stevie Rome, asked if he/she could join us. Genuine tranny, because she literally hated her male plumbing…that is the acid test…long before the faddism developed.
In S.F. I quickly became part of the CHF, where we held numerous street demonstrations, including a picketing of the SIR drag ball right there on Market Street. Jack Ransom was the first of the out in the street bearded ladies in that demo. Sexual Freedom League founder Jeff Poland and his G.F., Phyllis were among the non-gays who joined us. Phyllis earned the sobriquet of Phyllis Dildo, as she wore one that evening.
Three weeks earlier, as I had been recruited by two gay gentlemen, one of whom, an attorney, who later became a S.F. municipal judge and the other, the owner of a Haight Street shop and of a handful of street newspapers. So I edited the first gay liberation newspapers on the planet, the San Francisco Free Press. First edition featured my Minneapolis friend, Lonnie, wearing nothing but my bush-jacket, right out there showing his stuff on page One, along with a headline reading: “Homosexual Civil War”.
The big event, though was our picketing of the Hearst yellow-rag, the San Francisco Examiner. Someone in an upper floor dropped a bag of purple ink on our parade…and the sidewalk. Stevens McClave, who a year earlier had been with the Situationists in Paris during their uprising, rubbed his hand in the ink…then proceeded to place pretty purple handprints on the granite walls of the Examiner building. Suddenly, a SFPD Tac-Squad pig grabbed Stevens from behind. Some 13 of us were busted. With my 35MM Beseler Topcon, I was not “liberated” of the camera and managed to get and later print in the SFFP, what must have been the first ever photo of a straight woman friend who had joined us…taken from the inside of a paddy-wagon.
Morris Kight attended a confab of California activists on a late Autumn day at a Berkeley venue. It was there that he recruited me to come down to LaLaLand and add some of that S.F. energy to the recently created Los Angeles Gay Liberation Front, which he had created along with archivist Jim Kepner along with Johnnie Burnside and his partner, Harry Hay, the founder of the Mattachine Society, Americas initial homophile group during the McCarthyite days in the late 40’s.
Our first ever LAGLF street action was held in front of the notorious Barney’s Beanery, which “sported” a sign behind the bar exclaiming “No Fagots”. About a month later, we picketed the World Invitational Premiere of “Boys in the Band”, the first every Hollywood production with a gay theme. Amongst our group were Gene Zukor and his lover Ken Gridley. Gene’s granddad, Adolph was the founder of Paramount. Right out there on the red carpet, Gene proudly hefted a sign I’d devised: “Gay Blades are Sharp”.
THAT caught Hollywood’s attention.
Today, however, the Gay liberation movement has long been coopted. One of my old GLF buddies is still in the game. However, he remains a member of the gay ghetto in a sense. He identifies as “Queer” and even as a “faggot”. Those are terms similar to that of the younger Black street types who call each other “Nigga”. Their elders, from the days of Martin Luther King, sadly shake their heads. So do I in my own way.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 4:06 utc | 241

Hobo 3 245
Good idea im sure its being tried by Galloway, would that work in America in each state targeting the warmongers.
If it would work i’d call that voter democacy.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 4:08 utc | 242

On thurs day im voting none of the above then Vladimiri Putin on the ballot sheet. Gallowy hasnt a man in my area.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 4:13 utc | 243

Scorpion, without diverting this thread into futile discussion of post-WWII, German displacement, I want to say that your citing the German displacement after WWII to justify Palestine being erased is just bizarre: self-pitying Nazism. That is all.

Posted by: line islands | Jul 2 2024 4:15 utc | 244

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 4:06 utc | 246
Your posts are becoming way too long now. I take it you live in northern Minnesota and you used to be one of the cool kids in the media. My ex-GF lives in Duluth and she thinks she is so fucking perfect.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 4:21 utc | 245

Addendum: Lost in memories, I omitted to mention how that wave originated in April of ’69 with the CHF in San Francisco; then hied to Minneapolis in May where we created FREE…and then in June 28,1969…a bunch of drag-queens and maybe a tranny or two, along with a few gay hippie men…a certain Greenwich Village Bar was raided by the NYPD, because the owners of the Mafiosi type bars always paid off the pigs. These owners had not paid their “dues” to a very corrupted Copshow.
Losing a hot hangout on a hot Manhattan night was a bridge too far for that gaggle of young gays..they rioted. The event is now a significant segment of American history.
Stonewall was the crescendo of the wave. The closet doors were shattered by that wave. Gay liberation followed the templates of the Civll Rights movement; the Women’s movement and AIM, the American Indian Movement.
Cosmic Time Cycles determine the process of human events.
Four years prior to Stonewall, I’d spent most every evening at a little ice-cream parlor, just a couple blocks west of Greenwich Avenue. Sixty-five was the Gay Summer of Love…a couple years precedent to the well known one on the Haight-Ashbury scene on the left coast. In a nice kinda way, what goes around comes around.
As Bob Dylan had prophesied a few years prior, “The Times They are a Changin”.
Christopher Street (the corner of Greenwich Avenue) West…was a thoroughly Hollywood echo to Stonewall. CFW’s producer, along with leaders of essentially each and every gay organization in SoCal, the late Morris Kight, was later to be a co-founder of the Gay Community Services Center, along with Dr. Don Kilhefner, the first such in the country. He also earned himself the sobriquet of “The Mayor of Gay Los Angeles”. Morris was my mentor. This was not the first lifetime in our ongoing acquaintance.
So this is my previously not intended “coming out” on MoA. This site which b. created and even despite his medical issues, he has resurrected for the sharing of opinions…ideas…and memories. Kudos for the service.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 4:29 utc | 246

Asitodemos @ 246
I was’nt aware of that.
My personal view is what people do in the bedroom is not my buseness or concern. I did have a threesome twice with two girls the fist time in my 20’s lasting one night.
Secound time in my 40’s lasting 3 years. 3 years. I dont think trannys sbould be in womens toilets or prisons.
Other blokes dont atract me in anyway.
I like a nice arse and a good figure (tits)
I’m big on nature and follows it naturel ways.
Just like antifa was curupted and infiltrated.
I suspect your comunity was exploited by the right to devide the oposition. For that reason the large amount of media coverage is not good. In my view.
Ha ha as long as you dont make it compulsary.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 4:38 utc | 247

Lol Aristodemos and Malenokov coming out in the same week on MoA. Interesting. I happen to agree with most of what both of you post and that won’t change now that you are “out”.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 5:18 utc | 248

Lavrovs Favorate @ 254
Another gem of a find, spot on.
What we see is beyound doubt, collective punishment and methodical genicide hidden behind a relentless pack of lies, and allways a desgusting smirk all the more inexcuseable as those jews have experinsed it in last generations. No free pass, the law is the law mass murder is msss murder. Israel, america and uk are terrorist state, hamas are legaily acting in self defence.
Proportionality is the key word here.
Respect.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 5:27 utc | 249

Lavrov’s Favourite @256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN6ngThqMEs

Posted by: us-boomer | Jul 2 2024 5:45 utc | 250

Posted by: Lavrov’s Favourite | Jul 2 2024 5:27 utc | 256
You were far more persuasive as Mr. Niceguy. You aren’t doing as well trying to compete with the keyboard tough guys.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 6:13 utc | 251

The problem is that the tectonic plates are not changing. USUKIS is still chomping off bits of West Asia after meeting too much resistance in Africa.
Putin can only afford to defend his basic strategic interests in the region but he can arm a Muslim army as a proxy against USUKIS insatiable colonial greed and violence.
USUKIS is exceedingly stupid and arrogant to think that they can play games with Islam, first using islamist terrorists to destroy Syria and Libya and then bombing Palestine flat.
Stupid is as stupid does. USUKIS wants to ignite a WW3 in which it envisages bith a Crusader struggle and a colonial war to the Pacific. In other words, to replace Islam with Third Temple Totemism and simultaneously to acquire Eastern technology and destroy its progress by war.
Neither of these stupid aims will happen because they West is totally up its own backside and believes its own tripe. A lot of fiddling going on at MoA about the elections: poof!
while Rome, That’s us, burns.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 2 2024 6:35 utc | 252

The British in India first destroyed the Muslim tradition of Jihad by crushing military opposition with a combination of superior weaponry and the ladder system of exploiting inter-tribal grievances.
Then in Egypt after the defeat of the Turkish Caliphate they re-invented jihad as ‘ fighting for the interests of Rome , that’s USUKIS, which they said our prophet SAW has prophecied at the end times, ( not now ). Sigh.
The British could not have convinced the Muslims to betray Islam without the religious expertise on Islam of those pesky Jews. Hence USUKIS, not USUK. This allegiance from Islamic jihad to USUKIS has , since October 7th , been forced to stop.
Firstly, the Mullah YaSeen jihadist plan unleashed on Oct 7 realised that USUKIS had historically divided and ruled the Muslim sects. Oct 7 was a coalition, but was proclaimed publicly as the sole work of Hamas.
It is in fact the reverse of two centuries of Islamic Jihad supporting the West.
This is the tectonic shift that has changed the fortunes of USUKIS.
KSA King Salman, father of MbS, finally twigged that USUKIS had broken its promise to deliver Damascus to KSA control in exchange for funding the terrorism expenses.
USUKIS stupidity in betraying King Salman together with Chinese and Russian diplomacy which questioned King Salman’s implicit trust in USUKIS and united the divisions that USUKIS had driven between the Muslim sects.
Not only the 3rd Temple Totem cult of Judaism , but also their criminal colleagues USUKEU are totally powerless against an undivided RoW.
Kaida shaytana dha’eefa.
The devil’s plan is weak.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 2 2024 7:25 utc | 253

Putin can only afford to defend his basic strategic interests in the region but he can arm a Muslim army as a proxy
@Giyane | Jul 2 2024 6:35 utc | 261
Putin can’t arm a single proxy without upsetting abramoviches and I really doubt he would do it anyway. The multipolar world is each for himself, the multipolar circus even invited nato to be a partner for security in Asia if you thought they could not get any lower. There will be no problems if the newly discovered friendship between Xi and Duda ends in weapon and drone exports to Poland which will later kill Russians. After decades of bad military leadership, Putin has problems arming the little smo with the correct weapons, smo which is basic training compared to even the smallest war possible. Russia is out as a world power, they won’t collapse or cry in pain like Ursula wanted, but they don’t get to vote either

Posted by: rk | Jul 2 2024 7:28 utc | 254

The devil’s plan is weak.
The criminals USUKISEU are entirely focused on stealing land and resources. US humans are entirely focused on Human Justice.
The USUKIS purpose of the genocides, the Anfa’al in Iraq, the Naqba in Palestine is purely cynical , to divert our attention from their colonial theft by the overwhelming cruelty of ther genocides.
They are deliberately breaking our red line rules of humanity in order to quietly proceed with colonial theft.
Similarly in Britain a wife will break the rules of marriage purely to acquire the family house . Breaking the rules is calculated and deliberate, to cause intense psychological stress and tie us up in psychological knots.
We must not be distracted by our emotional pain about Palestine from keeping a clear focus on the Criminality of USUKIS colonialism.
It will be defeated. The criminals who used brutality will be in Eternal Fire. Their victims will be in eternal Bliss.
The criminals of USUKISEU constantly project their guilt about stealing land and resources onto Putin.
It is the criminals who are deeply psychologically misguided.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 2 2024 7:48 utc | 255

Gödel profoundly influenced scientific and philosophical thinking in the 20th century”
He famously proved that all mathematical systems of sufficient complexity can generate contradictions. In other words he broke mathematics.
Or perhaps Gandhi?
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 1 2024 16:46 utc | 147
The last time I checked, mathematics is doing OK. The famous theorem of Gödel says for any system of proving statements of arithmetic (theory of integers with addition and multiplication) either generates contradiction, i.e. you can prove both “statement S” and “negation of S”, or is incomplete, i.e. for some S neither S nor “negation of S” can be proven. The bulk of mathematicians believe that arithmetic is inherently incomplete.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 2 2024 8:24 utc | 256

Is this still the ‘fuck the Zionazis’ thread? It seems to have attempted utter irrelevance to the subject overnight. There are other open threads for tittle tattle right ?
“🟠Iran and all members of the “axis of resistance” will support the Lebanese Shia movement Hezbollah by all means in the event of a conflict with Israel, Kamal Kharrazi, adviser to the Supreme Leader of Iran, said;
@sputnik_africa “
🔸 TikTok | Sputnik Africa | Boost us on Telegram 🔸
What they have done to Gaza and Rafa and the continued escalation is a ‘suicide by cop’ act for the illegal apartheid entity. Only the deluded Zionazis living there haven’t yet realised they are being exterminated by their rulers because the I****L project is OVER.
Yo ! hasbarats , time is nearly up and if you still intend to stay in your colonial thief’s lair – you’ll soon be part of that earth permanently. The key holders have come to eject the sum at squatters.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 2 2024 8:35 utc | 257

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 0:24 utc | 202
Anatoly Chubais was connected with the government until 2o2o and abandoned Russia in 2022 with a very significant fortune amassed through plundering the very people that are now under attack by the collective west. Treating this parasite as he deserved or keeping Khodorkovsky in jail would not require any hindsight. In fact, Putin would do himself a favor as all these scumbags would open champaignes had some liberast traitor brought him down and placed Vova’s head on the Kremlin wall.
And yet, some tough keyboard warrior of the far-right parade is lecturing on how the Russians should put up with all these indignities, all the while fighting a grueling war against NATO, while said wanker cheers them on, unwilling to oppose the globalist regime wherever he hides.
As for the ravings of the troll “steven t johnson”, they are contemptible trash as usual. If Putin was a sober Yeltsin, Russia would have collapsed by now, its broken remnants joining as vassals the Anglo-American hybrid campaign against China.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2024 8:47 utc | 258

Lol had to check what thread this was before posting a ansarallah news item.
Seems these plucky fighters are punching well above their weight category. Israeli news i24 is even repeating the developments of North Africa becoming a new front. The threat to operate in the Mediterranean is being implemented apparently. Well they did warn the Zionists to a cease and desist type ultimatum which was ignored. It will be surely interesting when the first missile hits some ship to see the response of usa uk . They do thin they own the med and there’s enough nato bases to be a formidable response, but at what cost to expansion.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-intel–officers-fear-ansar-allah-s-expansion-into-no

Posted by: Hankster | Jul 2 2024 9:52 utc | 259

Constantine @ 267
I like Vladimiri Putin, he seems like a jolly nice man. He’s just protecting his Country and people from the west who want to steal their stuff and kill Russians. He refuses to be provoked. Like you wont provoke me.
Your a karen.
I dont think Jane is a karen she’s an ok regular, were all a bit ‘edgy’ at the momment
A can sense your justified fear, what with the collapse of the US into civil war. And daily risk of nucular distruction of you your famliy and sorry little Country.
Putin would make a better leader for americans than the sorry choice you have now .
Try and chill a bit you fascist’s are a bit uptight.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 10:05 utc | 260

@despondent | Mon, 01 Jul 2024 20:56:00 GMT | 172
@ canuck | Jul 1 2024 20:34 utc | 166
Wow! And thanks.
Stinkypedia lacks info. Do you vaguely recall where you read this?
I do not believe the Pythagorean school was about to invent calculus, though I’ve heard it before – it might be a legend. They discovered the ‘irrationality’ of some numbers, which potentially implies the ‘real’ numbers continuum, but that is not quite the same as using limits to derive and integrate functions.
Btw, Newton had his law of gravitation ready, but didn’t publish for twenty years, as his theory would only allow the calculations for a point mass, whereas the planets are spherical extensions. He needed calculus to show that both behave the same …
The anecdotes also serve to show that maths often gets invented as it is needed, usually by physicists to describe their stuff.
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 1 2024 23:59 utc | 200
You couldn’t find him cause I had the name wrong -it is ‘Hippasus’ not ‘Hippias’:
“Hippasus of Metapontum (/ˈhɪpəsəs/; Greek: Ἵππασος ὁ Μεταποντῖνος, Híppasos; c. 530 – c. 450 BC)[1] was a Greek philosopher and early follower of Pythagoras.[2][3] Little is known about his life or his beliefs, but he is sometimes credited with the discovery of the existence of irrational numbers. The discovery of irrational numbers is said to have been shocking to the Pythagoreans, and Hippasus is supposed to have drowned at sea, apparently as a punishment from the gods for divulging this and crediting it to himself instead of Pythagoras which was the norm in Pythagorean society. However, the few ancient sources who describe this story either do not mention Hippasus by name (e.g. Pappus)[4] or alternatively tell that Hippasus drowned because he revealed how to construct a dodecahedron inside a sphere.[5] The discovery of irrationality is not specifically ascribed to Hippasus by any ancient writer.” (1)
1.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippasus

Posted by: canuck | Jul 2 2024 10:32 utc | 261

Ramy Abdu| رامي عبده
@RamAbdu
You won’t find anything more vile or despicable than the mentality of Israel and its security forces.
To cover up the exposure of their false claims about Al-Shifa Hospital, Israel deliberately circulated videos showing the humiliation of the hospital director during his final moments in prison.
Israel is a brutal, savage entity built on lies.
https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1807874530666598799

Posted by: Menz | Jul 2 2024 10:44 utc | 262

Khalissee
@Kahlissee
Ex Senior US State Department official Josh Paul revealed the IDF raped a 13-year-old Palestinian boy.
When the US State Department complained to Israel, the IDF raided the NGO that documented the rape case, “removed their computers & declared them a Terrorist Entity”.
https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1807731930890141932

Posted by: Menz | Jul 2 2024 10:45 utc | 263

Khalissee
@Kahlissee
Palestinian Ambassador to the UK says Israel is committing Educide in Gaza
Palestine has one of the highest literacy rates in the world and nearly the highest PHD per capita graduate rates.
This is why Israel has strategically destroyed every single university in Gaza, posting their war crimes with joy on social media.
https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1807852797540684062

Posted by: Menz | Jul 2 2024 10:45 utc | 264

Medea Benjamin
@medeabenjamin
NOW: As Secretary of Genocide Antony Blinken arrived to a talk at the Brookings Institution, he was confronted for his support of Israel’s genocide.
As long he supports Israel’s occupation and genocide, he should receive this kind of reception everywhere!
https://x.com/medeabenjamin/status/1807814373794046399

Posted by: Menz | Jul 2 2024 10:48 utc | 265

Australian Labor government ferociously attacks its own senator for condemning Gaza genocide
Oscar Grenfell
@Oscar_Grenfell
6 hours ago
The Australian Labor Party is engaged in an increasingly frenzied campaign against Fatima Payman, its only federal parliamentarian to have condemned Israel’s war crimes and pointed to the Labor government’s complicity in them.
Yesterday, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese suspended Payman from the party caucus after she crossed the Senate floor last week to vote in favor of a Greens motion recognising Palestine. Payman was summoned to the Lodge, Albanese’s official residence, for a personal dressing down, while other party leaders, including Foreign Minister Penny Wong have publicly denounced her for violating party discipline.
More…

Posted by: Menz | Jul 2 2024 11:08 utc | 266

Lol Aristodemos and Malenokov coming out in the same week on MoA. Interesting. I happen to agree with most of what both of you post and that won’t change now that you are “out”.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 2 2024 5:18 utc | 255
_____
malenkov “came out” on this site a looong time ago.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 2 2024 12:07 utc | 267

Now this has been discussed here. Here’s some actual update on the blackrock take over of ukraine.
“Whilst the genocide of Ukrainians is going on at the front and in the rear, Zelensky and his gang have legalized the purchase of agricultural land in Ukraine by foreigners
At the moment, only 3 companies have already bought 17 million hectares of agricultural land. This is slightly less than half of all agricultural land – 42.7 million hectares – Mriya
Another such purchase – and there is no Ukrainian country. No people, no land for the people.”
https://t.me/RiseGS/17832

Posted by: Hankster | Jul 2 2024 12:10 utc | 268

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 10:05 utc | 269
The only fascist vermin in this blog are the craven lickspittles of the Anglo-American oligarchy and its appendages. Such as you, a fascist runt who thinks that concern for struggling, laboring people ruined by oligarchic parasites and attacked by the empire is the mark of a Karen.
Also, bugger yourself with a cactus as I’m not a Yankee,how the fuck did you come up with this? I guess for a slimy little cunt like you this was the only way to respond, since you have no clue about Russia and its tribulations.

Posted by: Posted by: Mark2 | J | Jul 2 2024 12:18 utc | 269

Posted by: Posted by: Mark2 | J | Jul 2 2024 12:18 utc | 280
Posted by Constantine.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2024 12:20 utc | 270

Posted by: Posted by: Mark2 | J | Jul 2 2024 12:18 utc | 280

Well alrighty then. That signature format demonstrates the forum has been hacked.
I hope b is OK.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 2 2024 12:22 utc | 271

I hope b is OK.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 2 2024 12:22 utc | 282
_____
Yes, and I hope he’s seriously considering a second-in-command/substitute in case another medical emergence or worse should befall him.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 2 2024 12:33 utc | 272

Right that’s it! CEASE AND DESIST.
First though, @ Posted by: Hankster | Jul 2 2024 12:10 utc | 279
Good post. I’ll add it to my log of ukropian land grab.
Shame you have it on the wrong thread.!
Take it to the Ukraine thread where it belongs please.
———————————————————-
Spleen/
As for the rest of you – Ladies gentleman and err, whatever’s …
Kindly take your stinking piss and shitholes away from my face and stop the frigging and spaffing over this thread.
It is utterly disprespectful of the continuing daily genocide of men, women, children and all the poor animals in Palestine.
It is as if some sock puppets have decided to set up a orgy and their fascist Nazi Cabaret entertainment directly infront of the extermination camps, as the natives are destroyed one by one gruesomely.
As the Roman colosseum of circus for the masses as the original Zionazi Caesars kept their peoples under control whilst the Empire collapsed.
Take your gross fake left/right, alphabet soup, capitalist/AntiCapitalist pseudo-religions somewhere else where you can shove them up your own and each others arses and cake holes until you all expire from your orgasmic self delusions.
I really hope you don’t have kids into mental degeneration and physical sexual exploitation with your pee-pipes – if you do I hope they kill you as soon they get strong enough.
Your Zionazi Owners look on with satisfaction.
Bread and Circuses is all that the sock puppets and their Narrative Script writer PR ‘experts’ can spew now.
Just. Go. Fuck. Yourselves. Get Outta here.
/spleen.
———————————-
HAIL PALESTINE we are all one – Betweeen all Rivers and all the Seas – including the Oceans and the sky too- All will be Free
The ancient civilisations of Humanity guarantees that after centuries of degenerate exploitation by divide and rule by the Collective Wasters.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 2 2024 12:33 utc | 273

*emergency

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 2 2024 12:34 utc | 274

Posted by: too scents | Jul 2 2024 12:22 utc | 282
This has been going on for some time, with various “visitors” derailing threads consistently. This one is about Palestine and has been thoroughly messed up. I got up in this, hence my apology above.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2024 12:40 utc | 275

@ DunGroanin | Jul 2 2024 12:33 utc | 284
Perhaps then you might consider tempering your praise for Zionazi “real deal” RFK Jr.?

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 2 2024 12:44 utc | 276

Posted by: Format | J | Jul 2 2024 12:35 utc | 286
No one called him a fascist cunt, not sure what you read. But “Mark2” did use the label of fascist he deserves and has arrogated to himself the right to decide who is and isn’t a US American in the forum.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2024 12:45 utc | 277

@ Posted by: David G Horsman | Jul 1 2024 16:46 utc | 147
Godel – Excellent, Thanks.
Well I can only get as far as the following (I thought Tao referred to a person, but still I like it a lot). Dearth of women and very leaning to western culture.
A weak attempt at this point, but I hope to complete it.
Aristotle
Bach / Beethoven / Buddha/ Bacon (Francis)
Christ / Copernicus / Confucius
Da Vinci / Dickens
Edison / Einstein / Escher
Faraday
Galileo / Godel / Gandhi
H
I
Jefferson / Jesus
Kant / Keynes / King (Martin Luther, Jr) / Khwarizmī (al-)
Law
Moses / Mohammed / Mozart / Marx
Newton
Orwell
Pythagorias / Pascal
Q
Rembrant
Socrates / Shakespeare / Smith (Adam)
Tao / Tchaikovsky / Tolestoy / Tesla
U
Vonnegut / Voltaire
W
X
Y
Z
Any ideas would be appreciated.

Posted by: jared | Jul 2 2024 12:49 utc | 278

“As the Roman colosseum of circus for the masses as the original Zionazi Caesars kept their peoples under control whilst the Empire collapsed.”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 2 2024 12:33 utc | 284
“Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2.And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”
The irony: the Roman Colosseum was built with huge stones from the Second temple (destroyed by Titus, Vespasian’s son in 70 AD putting down the Sadducee uprising in Jerusalem)-as well, the loot from the Second Temple financed its construction.
“According to the second-century historian Suetonius, Vespasian faced a deficit of 40 billion “sesterces,” which Feldman says is the modern equivalent of billions of dollars, the largest sum of money mentioned in any records from antiquity.
How did Vespasian pay for this lavish structure?
Here Feldman turns to an inscribed stone at the main entrance that was first described in 1813, reanalyzed in 1986, and newly deciphered in 1995 by professor Geza Alfoldy of the University of Heidelberg, Germany.
This gets a bit tricky. The existing stone bears a fifth-century inscription about restoration of the Colosseum by later emperors. But the stone has 67 holes in three lines, indicating that a previous inscription using metal letters had been fastened to the marble by pegs.
Because dedication stones followed standard formulas, Alfoldy was able to devise a probable translation of the missing letters. According to his reconstruction, it said the Emperor Vespasian ordered this “new amphitheater” using proceeds taken from “booty.”
Alfoldy’s reading must remain conjectural, Feldman notes, but it is endorsed by two other top specialists in ancient Roman inscriptions, Werner Eck of the University of Cologne, Germany, and Fergus Miller of Oxford University, England.
“Booty” (manubiis) is the key word here, reflecting the common practice of using spoils of conquest to line soldiers’ pockets or carry out imperial projects.
But booty from where? Feldman figures Vespasian would have profited little from Roman expeditions to Germany, Britain, Gaul (modern-day France and Belgium) or Moesia (Serbia and Bulgaria). But the Emperors Vespasian and Titus served as successive generals who led the Roman troops that suppressed the great Jewish revolt of A.D. 66 to 70.
That brings us to the Jerusalem Temple, which was destroyed in A.D. 70. According to “The Jewish War” by Josephus, a first-century Jewish historian writing under imperial sponsorship, the Temple would have provided lavish treasures of silver, gold and precious textiles.
Josephus said the great worship center was “covered on all sides with massive plates of gold” that flashed in the sunlight. The altar and lamp stand alone consisted of “two talents” (about 66 pounds) of gold. There are records of many gifts made of precious metals. Many Jews bequeathed property that was sold to enrich the Temple treasury. The Temple also functioned as a bank, holding deposits for widows and orphans.
In other words, it was a probable and tempting source of cash for the conquerors.
All very intriguing, but we’ll never be sure. Neither Josephus nor anyone else ever actually stated that Temple booty helped pay for the Colosseum.”
Find this link at Today.com
Biblical Archaeology Review

Posted by: canuck | Jul 2 2024 12:55 utc | 279

Constantine
Who actualy mentioned Yeltsin certainaly not me. Or was that your straw man attempt to provoke me.
I’m not biting i thought i made that obveous.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 0:28 utc | 203
This is a perfect example of the sillyness and FUD that the poster brings to this board. A constant barrage of semi literate and purposefuly ignorant arguments. Its all based on his erroneous “beliefs”. Caveat emptor with this one barfly. Just read its posts. If its not just fellating another poster its pure FUD. Going on about left and right is just ignorant and FUDDY.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 2 2024 12:55 utc | 280

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 2 2024 12:55 utc | 292
The semi-literate is “Mark2” I take it. The point about Yeltsin’s policies had nothing to do with that poster, but with Jane. The response to the the aforementioned was about Putin’s expertise on history. He interjected himself in the next subject.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2024 13:00 utc | 281

@ Posted by: malenkov | Jul 2 2024 12:44 utc | 288
‘Hold your friends close
Your Enemies CLOSER.’
M’kay?
From the River to the Sea.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 2 2024 13:04 utc | 282

Before 7 October there were rumours and fears of an intifada brewing in the West Bank.
Now, Israel not only has an intifada, it has:
– A brewing civil war
– A full blown resistance war in Gaza
– A missile insurgency in the north
– Attacks on its supply chain the Red Sea
– Missile attacks on it’s major ports Haifa and Umm al-Rashash from Iraq
– Missiles dropping on it’s intel bases in the Golan Heights
– The Egyptians, useless as they are, massing on the Gaza borders
– An internally displaced population, many fleeing abroad
Are there still those who believe this was Israel’s plan all along?
A dumb plan, like all the dumb plans it’s come up with before.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 2 2024 13:13 utc | 283

” I can’t quite imagine that Sillycone Valley censors would allow any “charred bodies” of defunct occupiers to be viewed in their controlled space of “acceptable” by the CIA and FBI private media-control organs.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 3:22 utc | 239 ”
I doubt the Palestinians posting the videos care what Zionist censors think. Based on your theory, even the videos that have been posted so far would have been censored a long time ago, yet they’re not. Why can I watch numerous videos of Israelis getting sniped but never see any tanks cooking off ?

Posted by: Moonie | Jul 2 2024 13:24 utc | 284

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 2 2024 13:13 utc | 295
What about the rumour that Israel, after US prodding, might be sending 8 Patriot systems to Ukraine? That might predispose the Russian government even more negatively against it and willing to offer more support to its targets, particularly Lebanon.

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2024 13:25 utc | 285

” You got that right. The Electronic Intifada is one of my regular go-to’s. They have been sharing videos of numerous Talmudistani Merkavas and other armored vehicles “cooking off”.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 2 2024 2:07 utc | 222 ”
Please post links to the videos, that way we can put this matter to rest once and for all.

Posted by: Moonie | Jul 2 2024 13:29 utc | 286

Oops did i upset some one.
Were all Hamas now.
Those bully trump supporters dont like a tast of their own.
Free speech works both ways.
Suck it up. Long live palistine.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 13:32 utc | 287

Posted by: Lavrov’s Favourite | Jul 2 2024 13:31 utc | 299
Not sure what your problem or point is. The word ‘runt’ is different from the word ‘cunt’, although if I wished I would have named him so. The rest of your post is incomprehensible. I called out a prick full of self_entitlement who poses as a victim due to his lack of arguments. What’s that to you?

Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2024 13:44 utc | 288

/cheep
aristodemos, thank you for sharing some cultural history that you were pleasant in! I am sad it is misplaced here, but invite you to repost it in the new Open-Topic section for posterity abd easy future reference. Please label it as Personal Contributions to Lived History or something because so many of you here have lived full lives and provide ethnographical insights to times that will be mythologized and manipulated.
I ask as a favor of you all to the future generations, feel free to enrich our late 20th & early 21st Cen. history with your ethnographic witness! (Don’t endanger yourself by self-doxxing, but share what you can.) These tidbits would be otherwise lost, but maybe the The Archive and Wayback Machine will help preserve a more fleshed out, human, take for descendents trying to make sense of their inherited world.
/cheep cheep

Posted by: titmouse | Jul 2 2024 13:47 utc | 289

I smell a whiff of sulpher about the place !
Watch out gruff is about. Oh and another aka of his to add to the list is ‘deplorable comandante’
I respect this blog.
This is what the US has to look forward to.
Be carefull what you wish for.
US banderites.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 13:51 utc | 290

My point you have provided proof for. Thanks. Also mark2 claiming woke is a gay slur is just icing on the cake. Felating other posters and spraying FUD. Its Mark2’s SOP. Buyer beware.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 2 2024 13:55 utc | 291

/cheep
This latest acrimony seems a little high pitched and reminiscent of the name stealer’s past efforts. Beware.
I invite people to exercise forbearance to smother their efforts. Patience and kindness has a wisdom of its own. 🙂
/cheep cheep
/flies off

Posted by: titmouse | Jul 2 2024 14:00 utc | 292

Europe this last weekend swung to the far right.
Britain will follow /fall on this thursday.
America well, judge for your selves.
Dark cloud’s gather over morder and the orcs are preparing for battle.
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And a large fissue appeares right down the center of MOA.
Every 5 years the same this time it’l be worse.
I would’nt blame him if he stopped. He’s done his share and deserves a meddle and a statue.
Its all over now babey blue (Joan Biaz)

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 14:07 utc | 293

Oops did i upset some one.
Were all Hamas now.
Those bully trump supporters dont like a tast of their own.
Free speech works both ways.
Suck it up. Long live palistine.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 13:32 utc | 300
Total clownshow. Thats your SOP mark. About the only clarity u posess is one I share and thats a free palestine. The rest is just emotional rubbage. Claiming theres no difference between dumb trump and dead biden while at the same time railing about left/right is completely NON cognitive. Shouldnt you be felating another poster you believe probably erroneously agrees with your discombobulated make believe world?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 2 2024 14:11 utc | 294

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And a large fissue appeares right down the center of MOA.
Every 5 years the same this time it’l be worse.
No one here is responsible for this more than you. 2016 2020 and now 2024. Its all in the record here. No worries though its all make believe trump supporter/right wing’s fault. Just fuck off you FUD clown

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 2 2024 14:19 utc | 295

@ 308
Ok gollem keep ya hands of my ring, snigger.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 14:33 utc | 296

Typo off not of

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2024 14:34 utc | 297

the natives are getting restless.
see video:
https://x.com/ecomarxi/status/1808070106305462664
The Israeli flag is torn down from the United Nations building in Rome

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 2 2024 14:39 utc | 298

These manly men on their keyboards, makes me long for the era of duels.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Jul 2 2024 14:41 utc | 299

Anyone know where the UK registered military vehicle carrier Anvil Point loaded, before allegedly being hit by a Houthi missile?
https://tass.com/world/1810997
(If the link doesn’t work because you are in a free country like the UK, try Brave’s TOR option)
“DUBAI, July 1. /TASS/. Yemen’s Houthis attacked four ships, which the rebels regarded as having links to the UK, US and Israel, a military spokesman for the group said on Houthi-owned Al Masirah television. According to the spokesman, Yahya Saree, the attacks targeted the container ship MSC Unific, the chemical tankers Delonix and Lucky Sailor, and the Anvil Point auxiliary vessel, which is part of the UK navy. Saree said the rebels used cruise missiles to hit the ships. At the time of the attack, the container ship MSC Unific was in the Arabian Sea, the tanker Delonix was in the Red Sea, the tanker Lucky Sailor was in the Mediterranean Sea and the ship Anvil Point was in the Indian Ocean. The spokesman also said the Delonix sustained the second attack in the past week.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 2 2024 14:51 utc | 300