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Palestine Open Thread 2024-153
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
Of interest:
US has sent Israel thousands of 2,000-pound bombs since Oct. 7 – Reuters
Between the war's start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.
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Israel Reduces Food for Palestinian Security Prisoners, Conceals Data, Sources Say (archived) – Haaretz
The petition was filed following the dozens of testimonies from security prisoners and detainees who are not connected with Hamas that the Prison Service has significantly reduced their food rations, to the point of starvation, causing them to shed dozens of kilograms.
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The Postwar Vision That Sees Gaza Sliced Into Security Zones Concentration Camps (archived) – Wall Street Journal
The plans—whether or not they get adopted in full—reveal hard realities about the aftermath that rarely get voiced. Among them, that Palestinian civilians could be confined indefinitely to smaller areas of the Gaza Strip while fighting continues outside, and that Israel’s army could be forced to remain deeply involved in the enclave for years until Hamas is marginalized.
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Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank (archived) – Foreign Policy
In late February, Smotrich—an avowed homophobe and proponent of Jewish superiority—signed an agreement with Defense Minister Yoav Gallant to transfer a number of governmental powers in the West Bank from the territory’s military commander to Smotrich. (In addition to serving as finance minister, Smotrich is also a minister in the Defense Ministry.) The move was agreed upon in the coalition agreement between Likud and the Religious Zionist Party.
@ Scorpion | Jun 30 2024 15:32 utc | 16
First, it is completely unethical to forcibly displace people from their homes and steal their land and other property. This can never be accepted or endorsed.
Second, the Palestinians, especially the Gazans, are not welcome anywhere else. Here you say, leave them in Middle Eastern lands, but those countries are already extremely overpopulated and do not have the space nor the resources to integrate millions of destitute people who have been robbed of all their property. As examples, Egypt is the most densely-populated country on the earth, as it has been for 5,000 years, with 106 million people living on 35,000 square kilometers=14,000 square miles, an area one third the size of Pennsylvania. Also, it is threatened itself with the possibility of mass death owing to poverty, famine, and lack of water resources. It is a huge problem, and one cannot just wave a magic wand and say it will be solved, or that new people can simply go sit in the desert. Jordan has an enormous, threatening water shortage, and, thanks to the population it has that has already previously been driven out by the Israelis, is extremely densely population in its habitable part, 11 million in an area of maybe 10,000 square kilometers=3,300 square miles. And to crash it off, the Israelis want to annex Jordan too and drive out those 11 million too, as well as the 7.5 million still in Palestine. Conceding them Palestine will merely whet the Zionists’ appetite for more.
Third, any validation of driving people out of their homes by force and stealing their land will strongly encourage such activities elsewhere. The fact that such atrocities have often occurred in history is no argument at all for accepting them. After all, murder and genocide also have happened frequently in history. Does that mean they can be justified and accepted? Certainly not! If we do that, we just have to accept the law of the jungle, say might makes right, and give up completely on civilization.
Fourth, it is up to the Palestinians themselves what to do about their situation. Some have indeed emigrated, but many have not. Indeed, about half of all the world’s Palestinians are still in Palestine.
Fifth, the existence of Zionism is a catastrophe for the Jews and a total negation of Judaism, replacing it with nationalist idolatry. The fact of Zionist antisemitism will not be removed by removing the Palestinians. Rather, Zionism will remain a thorn in the flesh of the Jews and will continue to threaten them with antisemitic persecution wherever they exist.
Sixth, that part of the Palestinians who are citizens of Israel would have to be effectively stripped of their citizenship to be driven out. So much for liberalism, democracy, human rights, etc. It would be a validation of exclusionary racism that cannot possibly be accepted in the modern world if we are to avoid the law of the jungle, which we very well may not manage to avoid.
Posted by: Cabe | Jun 30 2024 16:31 utc | 27
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