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June 23, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-149
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Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the US government that allows him to go free. Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2024 0:03 utc | 201 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 24 2024 17:07 utc | 173 Posted by: badjoke | Jun 25 2024 0:13 utc | 202 @malenkov Posted by: AG | Jun 25 2024 0:15 utc | 203 Guess that means he’ll be murdered in broad daylight now. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2024 0:38 utc | 204 Posted by: AG | Jun 25 2024 0:15 utc | 202 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2024 0:40 utc | 205 So, supposeing Joe Biden gets his wish and war breaks out with PR China, what next? I know there’s a plan to bomb Taiwan’s chip factories. No one in Taiwan wan’t this, but why should Biden and the Pentago listen to them? After that, does JB hope to send a bunch of US soldiers to the island to fight PLA invaders, floating across the strait on inner tubes or something. (They don’t have amphibious landing ship.) Does JB imagine a Korea stalemate, cutting the island in half? US Troop ships would be easy to sink. Posted by: lester | Jun 25 2024 0:42 utc | 206 Posted by: Cynic | Jun 24 2024 14:09 utc | 156 Posted by: horseguards | Jun 25 2024 0:53 utc | 207 “A Crooke & More Monday,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/a-crooke-and-more-monday Posted by: juliania | Jun 25 2024 0:58 utc | 208 Sure, the establishment mass-media unquestioningly relays political/military establishment lies. Posted by: team10tim | Jun 25 2024 1:02 utc | 209 ZH reporting Julian Assange has cut a deal and will be going home to Australia, surprise! Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jun 25 2024 1:24 utc | 210 fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 25 2024 1:43 utc | 211 the US Empire and the Biden gangsters finally folded on this one Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 25 2024 1:48 utc | 212 well it’s good that Assange has been released, but all evidence indicates that he’ll be “Epsteined” sometime in the next 12 months. Also by pleading guilty to these false charges, the US, UK and Australian will always have their hooks into him (barring him from traveling, seizing his passport, arresting him again if he passes through their airspace, requiring him to give the police an “interview” the same day he has a major event), once he gets in Australia I wouldn’t be surprised to see him facing more charges in the near future Posted by: Kadath | Jun 25 2024 1:56 utc | 213 Relieved: That Julian is released from prison. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2024 2:00 utc | 214 Unconfirmed info at this point that the Israeli-Zionist ship MSC SARAH was targeted while on its way to the port of Abu Dhabi. That would be attempting to evade main ports and use the land bridge that has been discussed. Seems Ansarallah isn’t having any of that , and that the attack occurred 450 km off shore from yeman which is said to be the furtherest sea attack so far. Posted by: Hankster | Jun 25 2024 2:11 utc | 215 Hey you all lost a bunch of quotation marks, figuratively piles; it’s “free” not free. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 25 2024 2:11 utc | 216 journalist Aaron Mate has a nice tribute to Julian: Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 25 2024 2:15 utc | 217 well it’s good that Assange has been released, but all evidence indicates that he’ll be “Epsteined” sometime in the next 12 months. Also by pleading guilty to these false charges, the US, UK and Australian will always have their hooks into him (barring him from traveling, seizing his passport, arresting him again if he passes through their airspace, requiring him to give the police an “interview” the same day he has a major event), once he gets in Australia I wouldn’t be surprised to see him facing more charges in the near future Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2024 2:19 utc | 218 Jmalenkov | Jun 25 2024 0:03 utc | 200 Posted by: Cynic | Jun 25 2024 2:20 utc | 219 Julian Assange should immediately claim asylum from the Russian government for himself and his family, given the ongoing possibility of both more spurious legal shenanigans and security state assassination. horseguards | Jun 25 2024 0:53 utc | 206 Posted by: Cynic | Jun 25 2024 2:43 utc | 221 These Perfected Grounds of Appeal, served in accordance with Crim PR r.50.20(5), are Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jun 25 2024 2:48 utc | 222 @204 Tom_Q_Collins Posted by: AG | Jun 25 2024 2:55 utc | 223 Posted by: Kadath | Jun 25 2024 1:56 utc | 212 Posted by: Constantine | Jun 25 2024 3:20 utc | 224 Julian Assange should immediately claim asylum from the Russian government for himself and his family, given the ongoing possibility of both more spurious legal shenanigans and security state assassination. Posted by: Constantine | Jun 25 2024 3:25 utc | 225 Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2024 2:19 utc | 217 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2024 4:00 utc | 226 Posted by: Constantine | Jun 25 2024 3:20 utc | 223 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2024 4:01 utc | 227 Does anyone even check previous thread pages or scan comments before “breaking” news that’s already been not only posted but also already discussed? I feel like MoA comment hygiene has declined dramatically in the past 5 years. So much redundancy. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2024 4:03 utc | 228 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2024 4:03 utc | 227 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jun 25 2024 4:18 utc | 229 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2024 4:01 utc | 226 Posted by: Constantine | Jun 25 2024 4:22 utc | 230 Great! Assange is free, but is he? Posted by: Suresh | Jun 25 2024 5:51 utc | 231 Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2024 0:03 utc | 200 Posted by: Passerby | Jun 25 2024 7:08 utc | 233 I cannot wait for the loudly expressed sighs of relief to end and the sledging of Mr Assange to begin. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 25 2024 7:10 utc | 234 Lavrov’s Dog @ 228
Works fine on my wind-up oak and brass computer. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 25 2024 7:27 utc | 235 Works fine on my wind-up oak and brass computer. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jun 25 2024 7:58 utc | 236 Wowser about Assange, glad I got my coffee and checked MoA. Poor bastard wonder how he is at this point, I would expect him to go into very low profile mode like Snowden or Kim Dotcom, once he settles in maybe a tweet or two a year. The plan from the start is that he would die in jail exactly like Lira, but he held up, so who knows, or maybe their Nazi prison doctors told them that his mind and health are gone enough that his days are numbered and best have him die “a free man” as a show of the benevolent hand of the Empire, stuff like that has been done for millennia. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 25 2024 8:01 utc | 237 Passerby @ 232
I don’t know what “rights” he lost, he’s not an American, but even then there would be no non-disclosure act or forever gag order, this is a criminal case not a civil case, and if he was American he’d be protect by the constitution. The entire sedition charge would fall apart instantly once challenged in a high US court, which is why the USA never wanted to extradite him but let him stew in eternal limbo in the UK. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 25 2024 8:29 utc | 238 I await b’s analysis with bated breath on JA. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 25 2024 8:36 utc | 239 According to the graun Mr Assange isn’t free yet as the plane is taking him to one of the empire’s courthouses in the western pacific colony of Saipan. He is expected to plead guilty to the charge than the judge is ‘expected’ to free him. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 25 2024 8:38 utc | 240 What ever, Julian Assange has done his bit, done his share, give the guy a break. Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 25 2024 8:39 utc | 241 Needless to say the englander telegraph is even less empathetic than the graun. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 25 2024 8:51 utc | 242 Needless to say the englander telegraph is even less empathetic than the graun. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 25 2024 8:51 utc | 243 Yes great news that Assange is free, and he’s fled the UK, its shows the forces of evil CAN be beaten when we work together. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 25 2024 9:17 utc | 245 @ DunGroanin | Jun 25 2024 8:36 utc | 238 Posted by: Memory Man | Jun 25 2024 9:19 utc | 246 Debsisdead @ 239
Wow, that’s taking a huge risk by his legal team, Assange is betting the farm, guessing it was the only bet left. I really don’t think the USA wants him, all they could do is put him in limbo for another 5ys awaiting trial, but once the trial came he’s be exonerated, even in a foul empire they could not make such charges constitutionally stick. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 25 2024 9:29 utc | 247 On the Assange release: The US proves itself openly for the whole world to see that it’s a real mafia state with mafia rules (like “rules based world order”, lol). They forced him to plead guilty and miraculously sentenced him to exactly those 62 months prison that he has endured. What a sick joke. Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 25 2024 9:33 utc | 248 It is now Tuesday, and my classical radio station informed me yesterday that we are halfway through this year (she didn’t say ‘bloody year’ though I was inclined to print that it has been that. At any rate, we are assuredly at a watershed with the release of Julian Assange to blessedly rejoin his longsuffering family. Posted by: juliania | Jun 25 2024 10:10 utc | 249 Posted by: Cynic | Jun 25 2024 2:43 utc | 220 Posted by: badjoke | Jun 25 2024 10:11 utc | 250 Re: Plea Deals are Traps: Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2024 10:20 utc | 251 Julian Assange is flying to freedom!!!! Posted by: JulianJ | Jun 25 2024 10:47 utc | 253 You do realize he’s exposed Russian state and oligarch crimes, yes? Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2024 11:04 utc | 254 Debsisdead@242….500k? Flying Boeing I guess, 10k for the flight 490k for travel insurance……mind you, Ryan Air would likely only cost a tenth of that…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 25 2024 11:17 utc | 255 @ sean the leprechaun | Jun 25 2024 11:17 utc | 254 Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2024 11:23 utc | 256 Saipan-just a few sea waves from Guam. Posted by: Fíréan | Jun 25 2024 11:41 utc | 257 Cynic @ 221
How does a democracy become a military dictatorship? One vote at a time. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 25 2024 11:45 utc | 258 How does a democracy become a military dictatorship? One vote at a time. Posted by: Walt | Jun 25 2024 11:51 utc | 259 Tom_Q_Collins @ 225 & malenkov @ 254 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 25 2024 11:52 utc | 260 Why did America agree to free Julian Assange? Posted by: ak74 | Jun 25 2024 13:15 utc | 261 So Assange folded (can’t blame him really). Posted by: Newbie | Jun 25 2024 13:49 utc | 262 FYI Pepe and knowledgeable Judge Nap (he’s a judge!) discussing the Assange case, plus Sevastopol bombing: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 25 2024 13:54 utc | 263 Posted by: denk | Jun 24 2024 16:52 utc | 173
Do these sanctimonious pricks. / cunts care, never mind know that there’r TWO TIBETS.
https://www.countercurrents.org/hr-sagar240804.htm Posted by: denk | Jun 25 2024 14:02 utc | 264 https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/middleeast/israel-orthodox-military-high-court-intl/index.html Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 25 2024 14:10 utc | 265 A lot of rah-rah in this article but also a lot of interesting information about the state of automated long-duration flight path optimisation as demonstrated by the “Vanilla” long range drone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_UAV
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 25 2024 14:24 utc | 266 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 25 2024 9:29 utc | 247 Posted by: morongobill | Jun 25 2024 14:55 utc | 267 Assange got out because Biden is getting his clock cleaned in his reelection campaign. Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2024 15:31 utc | 268 Posted by: ak74 | Jun 25 2024 13:15 utc | 261 Posted by: Cynic | Jun 25 2024 15:41 utc | 269 Who could have guessed? Posted by: Newbie | Jun 25 2024 16:40 utc | 270 Take a look at India’s map, Posted by: denk | Jun 25 2024 17:37 utc | 271 Perhaps the UK elections are held so that Starmer can replace Sunak now, rather than later. This implies Starmer would be entrusted with a time-critical decision by TPTB. What could that be? Posted by: persiflo | Jun 25 2024 17:41 utc | 272 /chirp Posted by: titmouse | Jun 25 2024 19:51 utc | 273
Posted by: Kadath | Jun 25 2024 1:56 utc | 213 Posted by: grunzt | Jun 25 2024 21:12 utc | 274 Assange needs to go to Russia or China where he will be safe and can speak his mind. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 25 2024 22:21 utc | 275 Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2024 11:23 utc | 256 Posted by: Menz | Jun 25 2024 22:26 utc | 276 @Posted by: denk | Jun 25 2024 14:02 utc | 264
I was reading some comments under a youtube video yesterday, that mindset hasn’t changed, they want to build a navel base on the Nicobar and Andaman islands, disregarding the limited land availability, the people and unique fauna. Posted by: awaiting approval | Jun 25 2024 23:09 utc | 277 Posted by: denk | Jun 25 2024 14:02 utc | 264 Posted by: Walt | Jun 25 2024 23:20 utc | 278 @ Walt | Jun 25 2024 23:20 utc | 278 Posted by: malenkov | Jun 26 2024 0:45 utc | 279 Posted by: Walt | Jun 25 2024 23:20 utc | 278
Tails off a bit, what’s the current status regarding independence? Posted by: Walt | Jun 26 2024 0:57 utc | 280 Posted by: malenkov | Jun 26 2024 0:45 utc | 279 Posted by: Walt | Jun 26 2024 1:03 utc | 281 DR Congo – it’s a few weeks ago (May 19th), but was I the only one to wonder about the “coup attempt”? Posted by: smuks | Jun 26 2024 1:10 utc | 282 Julian Assange. The fight is ongoing. Cheers for Barnaby Joyce, who managed to get out the one word “extraterritoriality” before the ABC cut him off in favour of a woman repeating “no hero of mine” and totally discredited guff about “putting lives of our allies in danger” [not an exact quote – that was the sense of what she was saying} Posted by: Hope | Jun 26 2024 1:16 utc | 283 grunzt | Jun 25 2024 21:12 utc | 274 Posted by: smuks | Jun 26 2024 1:19 utc | 284 @ smuks | Jun 26 2024 1:19 utc | 284 who wrote about Assange Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 26 2024 2:15 utc | 285 It appears that for the 1st time in my memory the amerikan government has kept its word. Yeah I’m well aware that the judge in Saipan stating “it appears this case ends with me here in Saipan” and then declaring that there would be no period of supervision doesn’t preclude the dirty tricks to come. According to graun reporter Mr Assange nearly teared up at this. That didn’t stop her honour from blathering the usual cliches about living a new different life from now etc. Makes me sick and I know that as well as joy at freedom Mr Assange will hate the humiliation by a bunch of greed driven murderers which has been forced to suffer. However he is entitled to hold his head high as the alternative was unconscionable – at least 10 more years at the Belmarsh torture center as the amerikans ensured his appeal against extradition was slow ground through the englander then the euro courts. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 26 2024 2:23 utc | 286 Julian Assange …. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jun 26 2024 2:51 utc | 287 Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 26 2024 2:23 utc | 286 Posted by: juliania | Jun 26 2024 2:53 utc | 288 Assange Posted by: Walt | Jun 26 2024 3:11 utc | 289 Knowing all the insane and subjective decisions made by a variety of englander judges in his case so far, I believe it would frankly to be ludicrous to expect any englander judge, who let us not forget are picked because of the belief by that government the men & women selected will do as they are told when necessary, would not behave as they have already. That is to kick the can down the road a little further so that they can’t be said not to have done as instructed and importantly for them, they cannot be blamed for his extradition either. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 26 2024 3:12 utc | 290 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13569425/Wikileaks-founder-Julian-Assange-arrives-court-seen-dock-dressed-suit-ahead-hearing-controlled-island-Saipan-set-plead-guilty-single-spy-charge-return-freedom-14-years.html Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 26 2024 2:23 utc | 286 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 26 2024 3:15 utc | 292 Assange .. the Judge also confirmed in Court that not a single person was harmed by Wikileaks releases of ‘secret’ US documents Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jun 26 2024 3:16 utc | 293 As for the undertaking about deleting all the files, I along with thousands of other humans on this planet grabbed copies of all what became known as ‘the wikileaks cable files’ years ago when wikileaks put them up for download. Most cables in a volume called ‘Insurance’ were initially encrypted but a pair of fascist journos dedicated to getting Mr Assange arrested used the encryption key as the title of one of the chapters in their book of lies about Mr Assange. All the data given to wikileaks by Bradley Manning has been well disseminated and is still used as evidence in many news articles. The request by the judge was the usual symbolic arse-covering akin to the time MI5 forced the graun to smash up a coupla old hard drives. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 26 2024 3:24 utc | 294 Assange .. the Judge also confirmed in Court that not a single person was harmed by Wikileaks releases of ‘secret’ US documents Posted by: Newbie | Jun 26 2024 3:31 utc | 295 Posted by: Walt | Jun 25 2024 23:20 utc | 278
http://bit.ly/2wEKvCf
Yeah you heard it right, Posted by: denk | Jun 26 2024 4:11 utc | 296
Posted by: Walt | Jun 25 2024 23:20 utc | 278 Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 26 2024 4:33 utc | 297 Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 26 2024 4:33 utc | 298 Posted by: denk | Jun 26 2024 4:51 utc | 298 The genuine (and likely unintentional) lessons that seem to be conveyed to whoever it concerns from “the powers that be” by their actions are (and yeah all of these are very closely related): Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 26 2024 5:34 utc | 300 |
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