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May 11, 2024
Ukraine SitRep: The ‘Sanitary Zone’ On The Northern Border With Russia

In today's Daily Report the Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed Ukrainian reports that it had launched an attack from Russia into the Kharkiv area in north-east Ukraine:


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As a result of offensive operations, units of the Sever Group of Forces have liberated Borisovka, Ogurtsovo, Pletenevka, Pylnaya, and Strelechya (Kharkov region).

Russian troops have defeated manpower and hardware of 23rd and 43rd mechanised brigades, 120th and 125th brigades of the AFU and the 15th State Border Covering Force close to Volchansk, Vesyoloye, Glubokoye, Neskuchnoye, and Krasnoye (Kharkov region).

The enemy losses were up to 170 troops, three armoured fighting vehicles, and four motor vehicles.

If the numbers in the Daily Report are somewhat correct the Ukrainian losses yesterday included 1620 dead and/or severely wounded, 21 tracked fighting vehicles and tanks, 30 trucks, 47(!) artillery pieces of various types, 4 expensive air defense systems and 6 field ammunition depots. 35 Ukrainian soldiers were taken prisoner.

These losses are about double the usual count.

The opening of a new front towards the Kharkiv region might have one or more of three purposes.

  1. To surround and eventually take Kharkiv city, the second biggest one in Ukraine.
  2. To create a buffer zone along the border to prevent Ukrainian attacks on Russian grounds.
  3. To divert Ukrainian reserves and to prevent them from joining the intensifying fight in the Donbas region.

To 1: Kharkiv has more than a million inhabitants. To surround and eventually take it would require a force of more than 100,000 soldiers. There are no observations or reports about Russian forces of that size anywhere near the larger area.

To 2: There is a lot speaking for this intent. On March 18, following several attacks by Ukraine towards Belgorod, President Putin had announced that a buffer zone would eventually be needed:

“We will be forced at some point, when we consider it necessary, to create a certain ‘sanitary zone’ on the territories controlled by the (Ukrainian government),” Putin said late Sunday.

This “security zone,” Putin said, “would be quite difficult to penetrate using the foreign-made strike assets at the enemy’s disposal.”

To 3: Diverting enemy forces from the main axis is always a benefit when intense fighting is going on. In this the operation towards Kharkiv has already been successful. The Ukrainians have ordered their reserves to move into the Kharkiv region. In yesterday's evening address the Ukrainian president Zelenski said:

"We are adding more troops to Kharkiv fronts. Both along our state border and along the entire frontline, we will invariably destroy the invaders to disrupt any Russian offensive intentions."

Thus the Kharkiv offensive seems designed to create a buffer zone, maybe 6 miles / 10 kilometers deep, on Ukrainian land along the norther border with Russia. That it diverts Ukrainian forces from elsewhere and positions them in mostly open land for their eventual destruction is just a welcome side effect.

It is my understanding that any further liberation of large cities in Ukraine will have to wait until the majority of the Ukrainian forces is utterly destroyed or defeated and incapable of resisting further onslaughts.

Comments

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 11 2024 18:55 utc | 89
Via your YouTube link:
https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjbxw/202302/t20230220_11027664.html

Introduction
Since becoming the world’s most powerful country after the two world wars and the Cold War, the United States has acted more boldly to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries, pursue, maintain and abuse hegemony, advance subversion and infiltration, and willfully wage wars, bringing harm to the international community.
The United States has developed a hegemonic playbook to stage “color revolutions,” instigate regional disputes, and even directly launch wars under the guise of promoting democracy, freedom and human rights. Clinging to the Cold War mentality, the United States has ramped up bloc politics and stoked conflict and confrontation. It has overstretched the concept of national security, abused export controls and forced unilateral sanctions upon others. It has taken a selective approach to international law and rules, utilizing or discarding them as it sees fit, and has sought to impose rules that serve its own interests in the name of upholding a “rules-based international order.”
This report, by presenting the relevant facts, seeks to expose the U.S. abuse of hegemony in the political, military, economic, financial, technological and cultural fields, and to draw greater international attention to the perils of the U.S. practices to world peace and stability and the well-being of all peoples.
I. Political Hegemony—Throwing Its Weight Around ….
II. Military Hegemony—Wanton Use of Force …
III. Economic Hegemony—Looting and Exploitation …
IV. Technological Hegemony—Monopoly and Suppression …
V. Cultural Hegemony—Spreading False Narratives …
Conclusion
While a just cause wins its champion wide support, an unjust one condemns its pursuer to be an outcast. The hegemonic, domineering, and bullying practices of using strength to intimidate the weak, taking from others by force and subterfuge, and playing zero-sum games are exerting grave harm. The historical trends of peace, development, cooperation, and mutual benefit are unstoppable. The United States has been overriding truth with its power and trampling justice to serve self-interest. These unilateral, egoistic and regressive hegemonic practices have drawn growing, intense criticism and opposition from the international community.
Countries need to respect each other and treat each other as equals. Big countries should behave in a manner befitting their status and take the lead in pursuing a new model of state-to-state relations featuring dialogue and partnership, not confrontation or alliance. China opposes all forms of hegemonism and power politics, and rejects interference in other countries’ internal affairs. The United States must conduct serious soul-searching. It must critically examine what it has done, let go of its arrogance and prejudice, and quit its hegemonic, domineering and bullying practices.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 11 2024 20:01 utc | 101

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 11 2024 17:41 utc | 70
Ssh…he is turning to an inka warrior !

Posted by: ΚΓΨ | May 11 2024 20:04 utc | 102

“Very true. The Muh Attrition crowd has to reward first place to the West. Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are being slaughtered and stuff is being blown up, without the West even getting their hair muffed.”
Posted by: Napoleon | May 11 2024 16:36 utc | 54
‘There is much more going on here than that. Western credibility is being attritted. Western economies are being attritted. Western weapons are being attritted. The “Rules-based Order” (I often wonder who in the backroom thought up that term) is in shambles. Russia is growing more powerful. This war might be meant to be continuous, but the West no longer controls the course of this war – if it ever did. Russia will bring it to full term and it will end. The longer the West puts it off by refusing to talk the worse it will be for them.”
Posted by: Activist Potato | May 11 2024 18:28 utc | 82
Potato you are 100% right on!

Posted by: canuck | May 11 2024 20:08 utc | 103

This war is more than a quagmire, it is an epic quagmire. The SMO (Slogish Military Operation) came to a screeching halt two years ago, when Russia lost Kherson and Kharkiv and the 1000 km front locked.
I understand it is difficult for cheerleaders rooting for Russia or Ukraine to see this. Both warring nations are adored by their fans, of course they want glorious victory. Thus, it is easier for them to paint this hellish slog as a stroke of attritional genius.
For instance, team Ukraine at the DailyKos is in total agreement with the barfly attritionists. For instance DK features a section called “Russian Stuff Blowing Up.” The Kosacks firmly believe if enough Russian stuff is blown up, Putin will cry uncle or be removed. In their defense, a Muh attrition slog is usually better for the invaded country … as long as the quagmire prevents any meaningful moves, it means the defenders held … just ask the Viet Cong.
I am sympathetic to the blind spot on both cheerleader squads. Ukraine fans would rather focus on “stuff blowing up” than the painful truth that Ukraine has lost 20% of it’s territory to Russia. The first casualty of war is truth. Russia certainly can’t admit this war is a hellish quagmire – and the media for both teams will not. Neither side wants a ceasefire, so both need hopium.
Attrition doctrine is also the last refuge of quagmire apologists. It’s more pleasing for both teams to label the waste of lives and material in this epic slog (ESMO) as a brilliant pathway to victory. Yet someone has to say the emperor is not wearing clothes:
“After mass casualties, Russian forces [convicts] entered Santa Monica (Bakhmut). Now, after a year of heavy fighting, they’ve pushed eastward a few miles, to the edge of Beverly Hills (Chasif Yar) … yet never fear, our march to the Colorado River (Dnipro) is inevitable and the seizing of the Russian jewel Las Vegas (Odessa) is a done deal. Muh … Attrition!”

Posted by: Napoleon | May 11 2024 20:13 utc | 104

@ spare_truth_01 | May 11 2024 18:58 utc | 90 with my posting about barbarism related to Ukraine and Occupied Palestine…thanks
The cultural anthropologist in me duly notes that there are massive killings in Ukraine just like in Occupied Palestine but barflies condemn one and praise the other…me included at times.
When is a crusade righteous and when not? Is there ever a righteous crusade?
Are the Russia SMO activities totally defensive and the Occupied Palestine efforts totally offensive/aggressive?
I go back to the words in the old Blues song….You may call me crazy but I at least know right from wrong.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 11 2024 20:21 utc | 105

Posted by: Napoleon | May 11 2024 20:13 utc | 103
I take you’re glued to the Eurovision Song Contest, which prompted the resurrection of the stale muh quagmire meme. Much more importantly, who are you voting for, Ukraine or Israel???

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 11 2024 20:22 utc | 106

Posted by: John Roberts | May 11 2024 13:33 utc | 11
Wow, stupidity is still going on?
Sorry, could not resist.

Posted by: Naive | May 11 2024 20:28 utc | 107

“There is a lot speaking for this intent. On March 18, following several attacks by Ukraine towards Belgorod, President Putin had announced that a buffer zone would eventually be needed:”
In this event, is such a buffer zone not – of a necessity – going to include Kharkov? It seems to make little sense to carve out a don’t-shoot-at-me zone and then leave a very large Ukrainian city right on the edge of it. So long as the intent is not to take all of Ukraine – and I don’t believe Russia intends that – anything which is left independent is going to be stiff with NATO types up to mischief.

Posted by: Mark | May 11 2024 20:31 utc | 108

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @ 105

I take you’re glued to the Eurovision Song Contest, which prompted the resurrection of the stale muh quagmire meme. Much more importantly, who are you voting for, Ukraine or Israel???

Golly, couldn’t they share the it!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 11 2024 20:36 utc | 109

anon2020 @ 100

Via your YouTube link:

I had missed that. It’s nice to see the Chinese returning to what they were vis-a-vis the USA in the 1960s – mean.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 11 2024 20:41 utc | 110

You seem so keen on promoting the idea that the western wage slaves and their masters have identical politics, that the powerless majority is uniformly complicit with the crimes of the ruling class.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 11 2024 15:59 utc | 47

Yes. That is what I think.
Otherwise the support for sanctions and war would not heave been so unanimous in EU/USA. This is enforced by the representatives of those wage slaves. Furthermore, the wage slaves have always supported colonialism of the respective elites.

Posted by: vargas | May 11 2024 20:41 utc | 111

Posted by: Mark | May 11 2024 20:31 utc | 107
It actually depends on the logistic that will be available to UAF/NATO to replenish ammo to Karkov. You can have a gazillion troups in Karkov but if thay do not have access to weapons they will be more or less useless. Not that I know what are RUAF plans and if they can really accomplish them.

Posted by: Mario | May 11 2024 20:47 utc | 112

Posted by: Inka | May 11 2024 19:09 utc | 93
A romantic notion, no doubt fuelled by watching contemporary Russian movies about WW2, that suggest a love of motherland, and a sturdy spade can beat ballistic reality. Mercenaries have been feared for centuries because they were professional soldiers in a world largely made up of amateurs, and their lack of any motivator, bar financial, was a serious asset in a world of ever-shifting loyalties. Professional soldiering has though removed many of these historical advantages, though Mercs/PMC’s retain the ‘official deniability’ card and are often not bound by the legal restrictions that a state’s soldiers are.
Posted by: SergeT | May 11 2024 20:00 utc | 99
I think the reason for the Kharkov probe/advance to contact/recon-by force is, why not now? Ukraine have been largely locked down in the East by the rapid advances in multiple axes, starting a new front forces a diversion of effort and men and material, to cover the new threat. Remember, Russians only reinforce success on a front, constantly probe for weak points, and understand the best way to deplete an opponent, who has logistical challenges, is to get them to expend them, either defending, or counter-attacking. Attrition isn’t just about inflicting casualties, it’s about attacking every metric of an armed force.

Posted by: Milites | May 11 2024 20:49 utc | 113

Also for your consideration. Can’t help but wonder that this is why Surovokin is back in town.

Russian marines are preparing to cross the Dnieper – Ministry of Defense
Military personnel are practising overcoming water obstacles and landing troops on an unequipped shore. The training is as close to reality as possible; they use a mock-up of a log boat.
Earlier, the governor of the Kherson region, Vladimir Saldo, said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were preparing Kherson for street fighting. Militants are building fortifications on the second and third street lines from the Dnieper.
“>https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/10572

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 11 2024 20:52 utc | 114

@ spare-truth_01, #83
I live in the eastern part of one of the two U.S. states that have “Dakota” as the second word in its name. It was home (in a very scattered and transitory nature– no permanent settlements) to the eastern “Sioux” people, the Lakota by 1750 were west of the Missouri River and are often called the western “Sioux”. When the eastern tribes actually use Latin letters to spell their supra-tribal name, it comes out as “Dakhota”. Most Dakhota have a good amount of European genetics in them as of now.
My more recent paternal ancestors were German farmers that immigrated from the Russian Empire from what is supposedly known as “Ukraine” in the 1870s to claim farmland from the U.S.government. The white folk here aren’t going anywhere so you can kiss my white ass if you think that’s going to happen. I have more firearms than the average bear and know how to use them. Good luck taking the land back from us 😉

Posted by: DakotaRog | May 11 2024 20:57 utc | 115

Day 2 update for the Russian offensive into Kharkov.
Thus far Russian troops have advanced into Ukraine to a depth of approximately five kilometers over a fifty-kilometer strip of the border northeast of Kharkov, seizing a dozen villages. By way of comparison, this is more tactical success in 48 hours than Ukraine saw in their entire 2023 offensive, achieved with trivial loss to the Russian Army.
Currently Russian troops are attacking south towards Kharkov via Liptsy (marked in purple on the map), with reports that scouts have already penetrated to the town. There’s another identifiable attack to seize the town of Volchansk, presumably en route to Velyki Berluki and Kupyansk; Russian troops are reported to have entered the town already.
It’s likely we’re still looking at shaping operations thus far – the Russians have not yet moved to attack west of Kharkov (marked out on the map) nor have they pushed over the border east of Volchansk. Looking at the map it’s apparent that the engaged sector thus far is relatively undeveloped, suggesting the Russian command would like to draw the AFU into battle and fix them in the more open countryside between Kharkov and the Seversky Donets reservoir to the east.
The Russian force engaged thus far is by all reports relatively small and focused on feeling out the Ukrainian defenses. It occurs to me that we could in fact be looking at the Russian equivalent to an Armored Cavalry Regiment in action, probing ahead of what is presumably a corps-sized element uncoiling out of assembly areas in Belgorod Oblast. In any event the Russians seem to be in no hurry to develop the battle too quickly – the big arrows will come when they come. The Russians have an extraordinary level of drone surveillance and “fire control” over the battlefield right now, and Ukrainian forces caught under their gaze will wither quickly.
The Ukrainian command seems to be bizarrely fixated with the battle ongoing at Chasov Yar (an operational sideshow for weeks now) and paralyzed as to how to respond to this attack, although rumors have emerged that they’re stripping units out of Kherson to redeploy to Kharkov. Given recent Russian moves to consolidate their control of the Dniper delta and threaten a push back onto the right bank this may be a critical blunder.
We shall have to await further developments as usual.

https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1789399386339877260

Posted by: unimperator | May 11 2024 21:08 utc | 116

Attrition doctrine is also the last refuge of quagmire apologists.
Posted by: Napoleon | May 11 2024 20:13 utc | 103
I don’t think you understand how “muh attrition” works.
line of sight targeting maxes out at around 5 km due to the curvature of the earth.Your side in a war has air superiority and a 7:1 advantage in artillery however your infantry has to advance over open fields putting them in danger of line of sight weapons and drones
Do you: A. Say fuck the casualties and order your infantry to attack fortified trench lines and bunkers to take as much territory as fast as possible.
Or B. Keep your infantry well in the rear and only bring them forward to scout or take positions after the air force and artillery have either killed the enemy of forced them to leave.
A is maneuver warfare on the 21st century battlefield B is attrition warfare. From a grunts perspective would you rather spend your time tearing it up through mine fields dodging bullets and artillery or play cards in your bunker then walk over dead bodies to raise your flag?
If you followed the battles the USA fought in Aleppo and Mosul a few years back they were both fought using the same atrittion tactics the Russians use.

Posted by: HB_Norica | May 11 2024 21:17 utc | 117

Politico. Interview with Victoria Nuland

Let’s start with the fact that Putin has already failed in his objective. He wanted to flatten Ukraine. He wanted …

These articles are all made of the same mold. “Putin wanted but he didn’t, so we won.

Posted by: Passerby | May 11 2024 21:33 utc | 118

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 11 2024 20:36 utc | 108
mea culpa, Muphry’s Law interneved…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 11 2024 21:47 utc | 119

So long as the intent is not to take all of Ukraine – and I don’t believe Russia intends that – anything which is left independent is going to be stiff with NATO types up to mischief.
Posted by: Mark | May 11 2024 20:31 utc | 107
I think you just refuted your own proposition. Any part of Ukraine not controlled by Russia will be ‘stiff with NATO types up to mischief. Therefore, Russia will take all of Ukraine. The actual NATO countries have no desire to be directly involved in war, and they understand that if they allow their territory to be used as a launching pad for terrorism against Russia, there will be consequences. Their current involvement in Ukraine is predicated on two basic notions: A) the west will defeat Russia; B) Poland(eg), Latvia, etc will not be reduced to rubble by Russian missiles. They are catching on to the fact that they were wrong about A), and even those who are still deluded about it will definitely get the point when RF troops are manning the border crossing with Ukraine’s neighbors. As for B), that proposition is null and void when attacks are launched from their own territory- which is why they don’t do it.

Posted by: Honzo | May 11 2024 21:50 utc | 120

David Horsman @ 91:
I know this may be difficult to stomach, what with the present vicious rapacity of Israel in persecuting the Palestinians, but for reasons best known to them Hezbollah are not inviting foreign volunteer fighters to fight with their forces at this point in time.
An invitation could be used by British, US and French agents in the eastern Mediterranean region to flood Hezbollah’s forces with jihadis. These jihadis would be difficult to control, they would insist on doing their own thing (which would undoubtedly include war crimes – at the behest of their real controllers) and Hezbollah’s reputation would suffer a huge hit. Such war crimes in themselves would be blamed on Hezbollah by Western media so as to make a case for Western intervention which would benefit Israel.
Hezbollah are wise to form alliances with Iran and Syria, and to let Israel keep making mistakes and sullying its own reputation. If the enemy is destroying itself, don’t stand in the way. This may sound distasteful but the alternative could actually be much worse, not only for Palestinians, but for other Arab peoples (Christians, Muslims, others) in the neighbourhood.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 11 2024 21:53 utc | 121

Jihadi Julian Ropcke acknowledges Russian advances near Kharkov today. “It” (i.e., Ropcke) also refutes fake Ukrainian claims of victories.
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1789374758552805386?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I never imagined I’d ever see Ropcke write something unfavorable for the US/NATO/Banderite side.

Posted by: GW | May 11 2024 22:07 utc | 122

Posted by: Passerby | May 11 2024 21:33 utc | 117
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Vicky’s lack of self-awareness is a key and necessary trait among Western politicians and bureaucrats.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 11 2024 22:26 utc | 123

Napoleon | May 11 2024 20:13 utc | 103
You miscalculated when you invaded Russia and you’re miscalculating now.
Their flexibility in managing the special operations so far has been brilliant.
Even when they misjudged circumstances, their recovery and “lessons learned’ capabilities have been brilliant.
I am not a military man but have been involved in scheduling large scale construction projects. You can’t anticipate all the variables.
Success is how you address them.
From a North Texas boy.

Posted by: GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN | May 11 2024 22:26 utc | 124

“Frankly, this continuous slaughter of Slavs … is leaving me benumbed…”
Posted by: scorpion | May 11 2024 18:00 utc | 72
There has been the energetic priming of Ukrainians and Americans of Ukrainian descent to become cannon fodder for a war against Russia. Ellenville, NY: American youth indoctrination in Nazi ideology and the monuments to Ukrainian Nazi collaborators in the US. https://newcoldwar.org/crypto-fascist-cult-worship-in-the-ukrainian-borscht-belt/
“Just south of the Catskills, home of the historic “Borscht Belt” (or “Jewish Alps”), somewhat hidden on the Shawangunk Ridge in Kerhonkson is an inconspicuous Ukrainian Orthodox chapel built by Peter Voinovsky, a Nazi collaborator and war criminal, on what used to be his property.
In the years following World War II, Ukrainian nationalists arrived and settled in the USA with the active help and support of senior figures of the US government at the time. Since then, their cultural and political roots have thrived in the US, where they have continued to promote and develop their fascistic ideology…”
Where are the famed “Nazi-hunters” of Symon Wiesenthal center & ADL? Nowhere. Currently, the ADL calls Ukrainian Banderites (neo-Nazis) “freedom fighters against Russia.” See Nuland-Kagan.

Posted by: Cerena | May 11 2024 22:52 utc | 125

psychohistorian@104….mass scale death, is there a right side? We are entering a population reduction epoch so I expect to see more of the same.
Agree with your observations though, of the parallels between the two events. Each side equally righteous in their belief they are in the ‘right’.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 11 2024 22:58 utc | 126

This war is more than a quagmire, it is an epic quagmire. The SMO (Slogish Military Operation) came to a screeching halt two years ago, when Russia lost Kherson and Kharkiv and the 1000 km front locked.
I understand it is difficult for cheerleaders rooting for Russia or Ukraine to see this. Both warring nations are adored by their fans, of course they want glorious victory. Thus, it is easier for them to paint this hellish slog as a stroke of attritional genius.
For instance, team Ukraine at the DailyKos is in total agreement with the barfly attritionists. For instance DK features a section called “Russian Stuff Blowing Up.” The Kosacks firmly believe if enough Russian stuff is blown up, Putin will cry uncle or be removed. In their defense, a Muh attrition slog is usually better for the invaded country … as long as the quagmire prevents any meaningful moves, it means the defenders held … just ask the Viet Cong.
I am sympathetic to the blind spot on both cheerleader squads. Ukraine fans would rather focus on “stuff blowing up” than the painful truth that Ukraine has lost 20% of it’s territory to Russia. The first casualty of war is truth. Russia certainly can’t admit this war is a hellish quagmire – and the media for both teams will not. Neither side wants a ceasefire, so both need hopium.
Attrition doctrine is also the last refuge of quagmire apologists. It’s more pleasing for both teams to label the waste of lives and material in this epic slog (ESMO) as a brilliant pathway to victory. Yet someone has to say the emperor is not wearing clothes:
“After mass casualties, Russian forces [convicts] entered Santa Monica (Bakhmut). Now, after a year of heavy fighting, they’ve pushed eastward a few miles, to the edge of Beverly Hills (Chasif Yar) … yet never fear, our march to the Colorado River (Dnipro) is inevitable and the seizing of the Russian jewel Las Vegas (Odessa) is a done deal. Muh … Attrition!”
Posted by: Napoleon | May 11 2024 20:13 utc | 103
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Oh yeah, tell that to the ghosts of John Bell Hood & Bobby Lee. The first modern industrial war was in the end an attritional war.
The bigger, stronger & righteous side won. After slowly wearing down the smaller, poorer, shitwitted side backed by foreign imperialists.
A middling effort brah, it seems the trolling & doomer efforts in the bar. Are declining in proportion to the AFU.
We’re at the volksgrenadier stage, soon it’ll be volkssturm…

Posted by: Urban Fox | May 11 2024 23:00 utc | 127

Kangaroo, you are soooo funny as well as clueless. Respect.

Posted by: Merin. Scot | May 11 2024 23:08 utc | 128

At the current reckoning more than 100 square kilometres have now changed hands at the north Ukraine-Russia border near Kharkov.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | May 11 2024 23:13 utc | 129

I’m surprised over 2 years in and multiple examples later there’s argument over what type of war the Russians are fighting. I thought it’s been all of the discussed types. Attrition, static , manoeuvre, siege, at various times. It’s been denazification as the priority. It’s been depleting nato to the point that their cheerleader media all say it’s done. Job done , how they got there will be for history to review

Posted by: Hankster | May 11 2024 23:17 utc | 130

David G Horseman
Volunteers / mercenaries of many nationalities are fighting with and for Russia in Ukraine, including quite a few Japanese 🇯🇵

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | May 11 2024 23:20 utc | 131

John Bell Hood
Nickname(s)
Sam[1]
Born
June 1, 1831 or June 29, 1831
Owingsville, Kentucky, US
Died
August 30, 1879 (aged 48)
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
Buried
Metairie Cemetery,
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
Allegiance
United States
Confederate States
Service/branch
United States Army (USA)
Confederate States Army
Hood returned to field service during the Atlanta Campaign of 1864 and, at the age of 33, was promoted to temporary full general and command of the Army of Tennessee at the outskirts of Atlanta, making him the youngest soldier on either side of the war to be given command of an army. There, he dissipated his army in a series of unsuccessful assaults and was forced to evacuate the besieged city. Leading his men through Alabama and into Tennessee, his army was severely damaged in a massive frontal assault at the Battle of Franklin. He was decisively defeated at the Battle of Nashville by his former West Point instructor, Major General George Henry Thomas, after which he was relieved of command.
And what will come of Zelenskyy’s beloved Syrskyi?
During the war, Syrskyi was criticized for pursuing bloody Soviet-style military tactics which resulted in significant Ukrainian losses during the Battle of Bakhmut,[40] and was nicknamed “General 200” (a reference to Cargo 200, a Soviet military code denoting military fatalities)

Posted by: skull ☠️ | May 11 2024 23:25 utc | 132

In this event, is such a buffer zone not – of a necessity – going to include Kharkov?
Mark | May 11 2024 20:31 utc | 107
The buffer zone is a temporary measure, not a long-term aim. It can be established almost instantaneously, to reduce attacks on Belgorod and show Russians that RuAF is ‘keeping them safe’.
Including Kharkov would make for a ‘better’ buffer zone, I agree, but it’s not feasible (for now).
Therefore, Russia will take all of Ukraine. …those who are still deluded about it will definitely get the point when RF troops are manning the border crossing with Ukraine’s neighbors.
Honzo | May 11 2024 21:50 utc | 119
Is this hyperbole, or do you think Russia wants to control/ occupy western Ukraine, too? This seems highly unlikely to me, given the amount of trouble it would cause, partisan warfare etc.
I still expect (or hope) Moscow to go for a ‘minimalist’ solution, i.e. finding ways to attain key goals with a minimum of (military) efforts. Fighting for large cities or needing a huge occupation force do not fit the description. Wouldn’t it be enough to station RuAF troops east of the Dniepr, to ensure no NATO there?

Posted by: smuks | May 11 2024 23:31 utc | 133

Posted by: anon2020 | May 11 2024 20:01 utc | 100
https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjbx
A blatant re-post of this most excellent article on US hegemony by the Chinese Foreign Ministry explaining all the US’s vast tentacles. No more could be said about it.
Now, we know that RF and much of the Global South agree word for word with this. All that remains is a collective and concerted effort to dismantle the Outlaw Empire.
A “win” in Ukraine for Russia is but a small part. Next will be Proxy War Part 2 … somewhere, where I hope RF and China and others will join against the US to chase them away quick smart and continue to give the message that hegemony has had its day.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 11 2024 23:42 utc | 134

Great reportage thanks b.
“These losses are about double the usual count.”
Sad.
Is this maskarovia or the real thing? Can’t tell with the RF.
It’s probably been considered, haven’t read other comments yet, but it does also look like the construction of a ‘firebag’, like the earlier days. If so even sadder.
The cities will decide for themselves with referendums if they want to be part of RF or a dying garden. I doubt Russia wants any land unless it’s peoples really want it.
Now I’ll start from top and read all comments!

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 11 2024 23:44 utc | 135

afu units are moving from Kherson to Kharkov.
They do not have reserve anymore?
What about Krinky? Didn’t someone hinted that that the afu will go south? LOL

Posted by: Naive | May 11 2024 23:45 utc | 136

The settlements are liberated one after another, while afu units are fleeing.

Posted by: Naive | May 11 2024 23:47 utc | 137

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 11 2024 23:42 utc | 132
Serbia was invited to join the BRICS by China.

Posted by: Naive | May 11 2024 23:48 utc | 138

These articles are all made of the same mold. “Putin wanted but he didn’t, so we won.
Posted by: Passerby | May 11 2024 21:33 utc | 117
Yep, there’s no battling the MSM spin of false Gvt narratives. Lol, it’s two layers thick. And most dummy American voters (Dem and GOP) will believe that crap right up until voting day … “Yay, we beat Russia”.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 11 2024 23:52 utc | 139

If you followed the battles the USA fought in Aleppo and Mosul a few years back they were both fought using the same atrittion tactics the Russians use.
Posted by: HB_Norica | May 11 2024 21:17 utc | 116
Wrong, in Mossoul the yankees did not care about the civilians, which makes a huge difference with the Russians.i

Posted by: Naive | May 11 2024 23:58 utc | 140

When is a crusade righteous and when not? Is there ever a righteous crusade?
psychohistorian | May 11 2024 20:21 utc | 104
Depends on your definition, but I wouldn’t classify Russia’s ‘SMO’ as a crusade, so the question is moot (at least regarding the current wars).
The definitions I find characterise a ‘crusade’ as a fervent campaign (not necessarily military) undertaken for matters of belief. Which basically answers your question: If the cause is ‘just’/ beneficial (and the amount of violence involved is limited), the crusade is probably righteous. Whether or not the broader public share this view is an entirely different question…
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@Napoleon – I disagree, but you can write whatever you like. As long as you have the guts to come back and say “I was wrong” when things turn out differently.

Posted by: smuks | May 12 2024 0:00 utc | 141

If you followed the battles the USA fought in Aleppo and Mosul a few years back they were both fought using the same attrition tactics the Russians use.
HB_Norica | May 11 2024 21:17 utc | 116
Wrong, in Mossoul the yankees did not care about the civilians, which makes a huge difference with the Russians.
Naive | May 11 2024 23:58 utc | 138
Indeed. Doing this kind of “bomb heavily before sending infantry” attrition in open fields and (mostly) evacuated villages is one thing. Doing so inside cities, as the US did in Mossul or Fallujah, is quite another. The difference between US and Russian approaches to urban warfare is quite striking, see Mariupol. (Aleppo doesn’t fit in. Firstly it wasn’t the US, secondly the city was besieged by Al Qaeda during ~5 years before SAA with Russian help liberated it.)

Posted by: smuks | May 12 2024 0:09 utc | 142

b: ‘…Ukrainian losses yesterday included 1620 dead and/or severely wounded…’
A heavy attrition. What about Russian losses? Some light could be thrown on overall Russian losses by looking at figures ‘adjacent’ to the official story, such as the number of Russian men receiving disability payments.
Data from the Russian Pension and Social Insurance Fund shows a stunning increase in disability payments in 2023 to Russian men aged 31 to 59.
In 2022, there were 1.67 million men with disabilities in Russia in this age category. By 2023, this figure had risen to 2.17 million. That’s an increase over just one year of half a million men, or 30 per cent.
It’s pretty clear that most or many of these men were casualties of Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
These figures also give confidence to the UK Ministry of Defence figures in March claiming Russia has lost more than 355,000 military personnel killed and wounded so far in the war. And this figure may well be an under-estimate.
https://tvpworld.com/76468065/number-of-men-with-disabilities-soars-in-russia
The shocking toll on the lives and health of Russian men is destined to continue while the Russians are taking the offensive.
The major question is: how many more of his countrymen is Vladimir Putin willing to send to slaughter and maiming before he gives up his fantasy of a resurgent Russian empire? Too long, it seems.

Posted by: Mr B | May 12 2024 0:27 utc | 143

Posted by: skull ☠️ | May 11 2024 23:25 utc | 130
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That’s the one, and Syrskyi etc. Have also been pissing away scarce manpower in useless ventures. Last year was their version Pickett’s charge in Zaporozhye.
“We shall defeat the enemy, by charging ahead. Right where they expect it, on unfavorable ground, whilst outnumbered” – President-Admiral-Marshal Zelensky probably.
There are reasons why I compare this to the US Civil War, even if WW2 looms larger in popular imagination.
Ukraine like the CSA is a separatist entity, built around a largely fictional supremacist identity propagated by a vampiric elite.
They’re drastically overmatched by thier enemy, even if they’re a tough nut to crack.
They don’t have full control of their notional territory, from the start. are a clusters**k in governance terms, an economic backwater. Have large numbers of “Southerners” fighting for the “Union” with no corresponding influx of sympathisers to their side worth noting.
Oh, and oppressed, ethnically alienated populations. To say the least.
Of course in the US Civil War the CSA inflicted higher losses on the Union in crude overall numbers (though not percentages). The AFU doesn’t even have that going for it.
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afu units are moving from Kherson to Kharkov.
They do not have reserve anymore?
What about Krinky? Didn’t someone hinted that that the afu will go south? LOL
Posted by: Naive | May 11 2024 23:45 utc | 134
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“Dima” said that for clickbait.
The premise was that the AFU had “local superiority” because of a few drone strikes and hapless AFU marines faffing about on some death-trap bog islands.
One needs to presume they have ass-pull logistics, because that’s what they’d need. To pull off, supply and reinforce a river crossing.

Posted by: Urban Fox | May 12 2024 0:29 utc | 144

@141
“These figures also give confidence to the UK Ministry of Defence figures in March claiming Russia has lost more than 355,000 military personnel killed and wounded so far in the war. And this figure may well be an under-estimate.”
What sense does it make to cite Russian casualty estimates while totally ignoring Ukrainian losses?
Unless the reader can cross-compare alleged Russian losses to those of Ukraine, the UK MoD’s figures are meaningless.

Posted by: GW | May 12 2024 1:05 utc | 145

@141
“These figures also give confidence to the UK Ministry of Defence figures in March claiming Russia has lost more than 355,000 military personnel killed and wounded so far in the war. And this figure may well be an under-estimate.”
What sense does it make to cite Russian casualty estimates while totally ignoring Ukrainian losses?
Unless the reader can cross-compare alleged Russian losses to those of Ukraine, the UK MoD’s figures are meaningless.

Posted by: GW | May 12 2024 1:05 utc | 146

Russia claims to have captured villages in offensive on Ukraine’s Kharkiv region | ABC News (abc.net.au)
>… “Russian forces claim to have captured five villages in their advances towards Kharkiv near Ukraine’s north-eastern border.
Kyiv has rejected Moscow’s claims and maintained that the situation is under control.”
Thanks “my” ABC, love me some state-sponsored presstitution with me morning coffee. (that’s their slogan: “your ABC”)

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 12 2024 1:07 utc | 147

Posted by: Mr B | May 12 2024 0:27 utc | 141
In 2016 there were 1.96M, and in 2020, 2.0 M, so why did it drop 0.3 M between 2020 and 2022?
The numbers seem to fluctuate greatly.

Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 1:10 utc | 148

From:
meduza.io/amp/en/feature/2024/04/22/in-demand-and-unaccommodated
“in 2022, there were 10,932,620 Russians receiving disability payments. In 2023, that number grew by 108,000, to 11,040,864,
The propagandist uses exaggeration even greater than meduza.
And of course, the propagandist is easily identifiable, as he always claims the war is about Putin’s ego, small penis, trouble with women, dreams of glory, desire for legacy, $4000000000000000000 personal wealth or any other pop-psychology horseshit, without a single mention to any geopolitical realities that generally drives wars.

Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 1:23 utc | 149

> The collapse of Ukraine is inevitable, it cannot be stopped, not by NATO, not by anyone or anything.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 11 2024 15:13 utc | 33
It may be so, but will take years if history is any guide.
The German siege over a similarly sized Soviet territory lasted years and the occupied did not have NATO support.
Ukrainians are no less compared to Russians and they are all “brothers” sharing similar history and culture. So it is soviet vs soviet. This will last at least a decade.
All NATO needs to do is to spend a few 10s of billions for a few more years and they would reduce the male population of both countries substantially, with economic activity mainly focussed on ammo production (thus cannibalising productive, societal investments).

Posted by: John Roberts | May 12 2024 1:31 utc | 150

Posted by: Mr B | May 12 2024 0:27 utc | 141

The major question is: how many more of his countrymen is Vladimir Putin willing to send to slaughter and maiming before he gives up his fantasy of a resurgent Russian empire? Too long, it seems.

Don’t be so pessimistic. Zelensky victory over Putin is just around the corner. Ten more days and it is all done.

Posted by: hopehely | May 12 2024 1:32 utc | 151

I don’t normally read much detail on the military situation in great detail. here’s a translation of a Russian report on the Kharkov developments from Telegram by YURI PODOLYAKA
https://t.me/yurasumy/15162
“…there are no signs yet that we have brought our (Russian) main forces into battle….”
https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1789406829568520558
Yuri Report
Kharkov direction at 17.00 05/11/24: Zelensky and Syrsky are furious…
Our advance units have entered the northern part of Volchansk and are slowly taking over it. However, this is not the main problem of the enemy command today.
Their main troubles are to the west, where we have already managed to break through their line of defense, which they have been building for the last several months, in several places at once. The units covering them, consisting of territorial defense troops, overwhelmed by our total superiority in artillery and aviation (more than 50 FABs have already been dropped on Volchansk alone and its environs) are not offering much resistance to us and often surrendering (abandoning entire areas, which we are quick to take advantage of).
In order to save the situation, the command of the enemy group was forced to throw their reserves into battle incrementally (as they arrived) earlier today.
In addition to the 92nd brigade, units of the 57th brigade entered the battle, as well as Nazi battalions from “Kraken” (which were always the last resort for the enemy command).
This made it possible to prevent the collapse of the front for now, but could not prevent our advance.
Also, because of the failures on the first day of fighting, the command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the direction was replaced, which plainly shows how irritated the country’s political leadership is with the situation on the ground (at the same time they are trying to put on a bold face, which no one believes anymore).
But getting back to the front… All the enemy’s attempts did not prevent our units from developing their morning success on the right (western) bank of the Seversky Donets and, having covered about 6-7 km in less than a day, they are now moving towards Rubezhnoye, thereby securing (if the plan is indeed to strike at the rear of Kupyansk) the right flank of our group advancing through Volchansk….
At the same time, there are no signs yet that we have brought our main forces into battle….
YURI PODOLYAKA
https://t.me/yurasumy/15162

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 12 2024 1:48 utc | 152

One of Moscow’s core war aims is rollback of NATO to its 1996 membership.
Posted by: Exile | May 11 2024 19:50 utc | 97

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 1:54 utc | 153

ZH has a posting up with the title
First F-16s To Arrive In Ukraine ‘Within Weeks’ From West, But Will It Matter?
the quote

A high-ranking UK military source has told London’s daily Evening Standard newspaper that F-16 fighters will be delivered by the Western allies to Ukraine “within weeks”.
The official indicated that the aircraft are due to arrive by June, or at least July at the latest. The US previously authorized NATO countries to supply the US-made fighters to Kiev, at a moment Russia still controls the skies and has been degrading the country’s energy infrastructure via frequent attacks. Zelensky previously called the decision by the Biden administration “a breakthrough”.

Maybe this is a tell of when capitulation will occur….before F-16s are used.
I am on record of thinking Ukraine is likely to crash before May 20 and the pace is certainly not slowing so who knows where that straw is that breaks the camels back…..my fall back prognostication date for Ukraine surrender is early August.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2024 1:54 utc | 154

Melaleuca | May 12 2024 1:07 utc | 145
Yeah, lol lol, and sob sob, at the ABC. It’s just soooo pathetic when you compare the real reports like we get here in MoA with the toady Oz media … via the Ukie Embassy press releases in Canberra. Can’t believe people are soooo misled.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 2:00 utc | 155

The numbers seem to fluctuate greatly.
Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 1:10 utc | 146
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The poster also didn’t account for the increase in Russian held territory, influx of refugees and utterly s**t state of the Ukrainian medical services & social safety net.
Nor the fact that Russia may have widened same, for domestic political reasons.
So there’s now a lot of old/disabled Ukrainians on the pension & welfare rolls. Who were left to fend for themselves under the Maidan regime.
Of course Westiods, NAFO or psyops (and a crude robotic one in this case) arnt interested in that context.
Also the UK “MOD figures” are a bigger joke, than the British armed forces, these days.
The MOD are proven incompetent liars. Who can’t maintain a peacetime army, nor a navy that can put to sea.
Who cares what figures & flatulance they blurt out of their lying arses in public…

Posted by: Urban Fox | May 12 2024 2:07 utc | 156

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2024 1:54 utc | 152
So soon we can expect to see Help Wanted ads in Ukrainian papers – ‘Seeking pilots with experience in US fighter planes. Will pay many hryvnia in compensation, very good life insurance package for widow.’

Posted by: Mike R | May 12 2024 2:25 utc | 157

I’d like to thank the barflies for being relatively civil. Merci, from St. Helena.
Thoughts to responses:
Attrition of Credibility — I wouldn’t want to die for that if I was a Russian. I’d rather appear on Tucker.
Aleppo, Mosul — I consider the whole US misadventure in the Middle East a slog. I agree that attrition works for individual battles, not so much for World War One style quagmires.
North Texas Boy — Highway 40? A Texas boy knows that US Marines could’ve taken everything east of the Dnipro in a month.
Eurovision Song Contest — Last year I sung about the hero of Bakhmut, Prighozin, firing on the Russian Air Force, as part of his post-game show. (And yes, the musical score was set to Wagner).

Posted by: Napoleon | May 12 2024 2:26 utc | 158

Re: Posted by: J_Schneider | May 11 2024 19:04 utc | 92

So far recon by force and opportunity to destroy UKR military assets in Kharkov region as they start moving. But it doesn’t mean that RUS attacking force can’t grow to 50k men with heavy weapons within few weeks and the aim to encircle Kharkov. Kharkov operation creates major headache for Kiev if RUS army starts pushing for Kharkov encirclement to cut off flows of soldiers, ammo, weapons, fuel, food. Kharkov is major higway and railway intersection. Kupyanks section may get semi-encircled and experience big logistics troubles, proper evacuation would be diffcult. At the same, we are talking about June/July, RUS army may get close Mirnograd/Pokrovsk and severe highway and railway to Konstantinovka and roads to Selidovo area.
The only rail supply route would go through Lozova which RUS airforce may destroy. There would be only 2 paved roads leading to that section of front and if some bridges are bombed there will be big supply problem for UKR defenders.
How long can 100 000 UKR soldiers fight with limited logistics support and without Kharkov city (hospitals, warehouses. repairshops, facilities for troops rotation, etc.)? Is it realistic to evacuate 100k men westwards on the paved roads? What will Sirski do? He will probably fight until the last man. At the end this is what Moscow wants as its goal is destruction of UKR military.

Ooh, some really big arrow moves there.
I don’t any of that will happen before August at the earliest – which is when it should happen.

Posted by: Julian | May 12 2024 2:50 utc | 159

Ukraine is not even a thing.
It’s all about NATO. This entity is finished. All of NATO combined couldn’t have fielded a “Mother of all Proxy Army” as large, trained and motivated as the UAF version 1.0.
Note how the butt hurt NAFO crowd loves tossing around quotes and “statistics” by non official Russian sources. As meaningless as their views.
The real for panic in the West is because:
Assets seized will have to repaid with interest. Individuals will be held responsible and made accountable for war crimes including soon to be former Western leaders.
All who signed Minsk 2 in bad faith will be liable for criminal charges.
Who will leave first? Austria, Hungary or Turkey?

Posted by: Suresh | May 12 2024 2:55 utc | 160

Looks like RAF gaining some territory now. Kinda wish Anonymous was here to pontificate on how it’s only 0.01% in a week or some bullocks

Posted by: Ezzie | May 12 2024 3:09 utc | 161

Well, I thought that Russia’s mission was to DEMILITARIZE and DENAZIFY Ukraine?
That won’t happen if there are Nazis still in power in Kiev, let alone Kharkov.
As long as Kiev is militarized by the west, and again, still Nazified, Russia will be dealing with this for a long time..

Posted by: Kay | May 12 2024 3:10 utc | 162

I doubt Russia wants any land unless it’s peoples really want it.
Posted by: DunGroanin | May 11 2024 23:44 utc | 133
This has never been about Russia ‘wanting land.’ It has always been about protecting Russians and defeating an existential threat to Russia and Russians. Russia will, of necessity, occupy all of Ukraine in order to root out NATO influence and de-nazify/demilitarize all of Ukraine. This is a strategic necessity, not a matter of what Putin might personally prefer. This necessity has been obvious since long before the beginning of the SMO. Putin and his team would certainly ‘preferred’ to make treaties than to fight, right up until Bojo shot down the agreement with Kiev. This, despite quite obviously knowing that such a treaty would merely interrupt the fighting while the west continued its efforts against Russia by other means, in order to create conditions for a renewal of the war. Russian planning has always been based on the high likelihood that the initial advances would not result in a treaty and thus a defensive period would be required while Russia built up the forces needed to defeat Ukraine/NATO the hard way- a process that is still on-going.
The Banderist regime may or may not collapse in the next few months- I hope so, but I don’t think it’s likely. Even if it does, there is no guarantee that the remaining fighting forces will capitulate in a unified manner. It’s quite possible that some ‘White Ukrainians’ will invite some NATO members (but not NATO) in to defend Lvov, Odessa and who knows what else. On a piecemeal, Duty-to-Protect basis, western countries may hope to avoid direct conflict with Russia in individual cities, and thus freeze the conflict short of victory. I suspect a lot of NATO troops will have skiing accidents.

Posted by: Honzo | May 12 2024 3:10 utc | 163

Posted by: Suresh | May 12 2024 2:55 utc | 158
It’s all about NATO. This entity is finished.

Did you even read my #151 before posting such fantasist, cheerleading nonsense. Obviously not. If you wish to disagree or counter with other, better arguments, fine. But please use deductive thinking rather than unsubstantiated slogans.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 3:19 utc | 164

@Posted by: Mr B | May 12 2024 0:27 utc | 141
TVP is a Polish news/propaganda outfit. The “news” you cite has not been reported by any reputable news outlet. So it is utterly dogshite. DO BETTER next time with your propagandist nonsense.

Posted by: Roger | May 12 2024 3:20 utc | 165

The poster also didn’t account for the increase in Russian held territory, influx of refugees and utterly s**t state of the Ukrainian medical services & social safety net.
Posted by: Urban Fox | May 12 2024 2:07 utc | 154
Good point. Russia took on about 7 million? new citizens from Donbass and took on their pensions, disability payments, etc.
Not to mention Donbass itself would have had a higher than normal disability rate, due to 8 years of civil war and shelling by Ukraine.
It would be glorious if the British MoD and nato intelligence was actually stupid enough to miss that, and think 500,000 new disabled means Russia suffered over 500,000 casualties the first year… …but they have become really stupid over the past three decades.

Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 3:50 utc | 166

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 1:54 utc | 151
So, does anyone see my 7(d) ever coming about???!!! Jeezuz, even I don’t in 5 years. It would take some serious political upheavals in the US . Trump 2025 would only be the bare beginnings of such a process. But it does need to be done within Putin’s current term. Noone else has the cred to pull it off. Both RF and China and India would need to get the US by the short and curlies to bring it about in a summit for a new world order of a reduced hegemony. The US will not submit to such a process without some enormous leverage forces with which it cannot argue … dollar-collapse forces, maybe. To the fantasists I say, a Russian win in Ukraine alone is NOT going to do the trick.

This seems around the target. The military kinetics are only part of the overall equation. Some alternative pundits like Iain Davis say the bifurcation under way is deliberate making the conflicts somewhat performative, though no doubt some aspects involve genuine jostling for future position. But if the Western bloc ends up with 1-2 billion people, that is more than enough for their elites to remain filthy rich and powerful; they just aren’t going to get to dictate terms to every major nation for the rest of time as they hoped.
USD hegemony being hollowed out may well prove the key to substantive status change. In any case, looks like the world will be very different by the time 2030 rolls around.

Posted by: scorpion | May 12 2024 3:55 utc | 167

Let’s think about what Russia must do after its victory. Tell me if you agree or not:
* Ukraine must be fully conquered. Many parts will rejoin the Russian Federation, but the rest cannot be left to be “neutral” or re-occupied by NATO forces. It must become a union state. Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine will form a new, tighter unit. Whether they call it the CIS or something else doesn’t matter. Maybe Galicia is left out of it, but the rest must be non-Nato, Federation forces.
* Long-term, all BRICS countries must work against the globalist trash running the West into ruin and threatening the rest of the world with civilization-ending weapons and depopulation programs. If that means arming rebels and funding coups “color revolutions” then do it. Wage war against the globalists. They are the enemy of all.

Posted by: kassandra | May 12 2024 4:05 utc | 168

@151 Jake Blanchard
Re natos existence
The key to Natos dissolution is war between nato members. It’s ironic that it’s very expansion is what makes this likely and they expand to stop all conflicts.
But there’s many many years of the future left to live and nato is far too heterogeneous to have consensus forever. There’s a bunch of latent conflicts within nato, primarily greece and turkey but it could be anyone

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 12 2024 4:05 utc | 169

Posted by: GW | May 12 2024 1:05 utc | 143
‘What sense does it make to cite Russian casualty estimates while totally ignoring Ukrainian losses?’
My aim was not to compare casualties from both sides. That’s because both sides are motivated to downplay their own losses and exaggerate their enemies’.
The relevance of the Russian disability figures is that they are compiled in the relative sobriety of a state institution, not in the heat of battle where careful counting is not the first priority.
In addition, there are many estimates of Ukrainian casualties around here, from anywhere up to half a million or so. But there is very little comment about Russian casualties. Why is this?
I suspect the barflies don’t want to know the figures for Russian casualties because they don’t want to have to be confronted with the question: how many Russian soldiers must be slaughtered and maimed in Ukraine before somebody decides that Ukraine isn’t worth the candle?
(Interesting that you use the term ‘estimates’ in relation to Russian casualties, but ‘losses’ in relation to Ukrainian casualties. In these small ways we betray our preconceptions.)

Posted by: Mr B | May 12 2024 4:22 utc | 170

@ kassandra | May 12 2024 4:05 utc | 166 asking about what comes after Russia victory over Ukraine.
I think that the victory over Ukraine is also a victory over NATO and then the next domino is Occupied Palestine followed by a pent up slew of others waiting to add their thousand cuts.
And then that long term goal you wrote about is achieved…stay tuned because lots of moving parts between now and then…..major progress in civilization war against the God Of Mammon cult of global private finance.
Have the barkeep set you up with your favorite on me.
A long term line of mine at MoA is that the shit show continues until it doesn’t and it is exciting for this 75 and still alive radical futurist to see that doesn’t part become clearer.
Peace to all!

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2024 4:32 utc | 171

I am on record of thinking Ukraine is likely to crash before May 20 and the pace is certainly not slowing so who knows where that straw is that breaks the camels back…..my fall back prognostication date for Ukraine surrender is early August.
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2024 1:54 utc | 152
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Lol. Best never to “go on record” about ANY wartime prophesies, anywhere, ever!
I am at a complete loss to figure how anyone thinks the AFU is but weeks, months, even a year away from this mystical collapse that Team Russia talks about, despite how much I’d love that.
1, You do realise there are still some 500k AFU still in the field? Even a severe trouncing in the new Kharkov area, AND/OR the rest of the fronts is not going to make Ze Man nor his Generals call them all back to barracks. Or do you envisage some 500k dead or POWs over this next summer.
2, You do realise that would not thrill Russia in any way. The last thing the Kremlin would want is a premature halt to fighting with 400k men and 10 years of bilateral promised weapons to Kiev.
3, You do realise that RFAF could not possibly fight their way to the Dneiper in the bext few months with even 300k resistive AFU marching backwards, unless they brought in all the army and all the airforce.
4, You do realise RF wants Odessa before they retire from the SMO. It would be a major strategic loss not to do so, either by surrender or by battle.
So all in all, a loooong way off till the AFU collapses in reality. At 100 KIA AFU per day, that’s up to 400-500 days before they’re all dead and useless and Zelensky (and US/NATO) admits to losing!

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 4:32 utc | 172

Posted by: Mr B | May 12 2024 4:22 utc | 168
Stop talking like you are a dispassionate analyst just looking for truth.
You already betrayed yourself with your ridiculous explanation for the cause of this war.
“how many Russian soldiers must be slaughtered and maimed in Ukraine before somebody decides that Ukraine isn’t worth the candle?”
Now you try to wormtongue your way to your agenda driven “discussion”, by covering what you think the cause of this war is. An attempt to mask you said this war was because of “Putin’s dreams of a Russian empire.”
Now it’s about “taking Ukraine”, and the value in wick length it is.
For one, NATO is trying to convince Russia Ukraine is not worth it.
Russia knows its war.
Victory isn’t an “option”, because death is the other. Therefore, victory is a necessity. And how much Ukraine they must take, I’d say all.
It will be millions, yes millions of Russians and NATO men die, before NATO folds.
This “smo” is just the opening stage of ww iii. It will be mostly a footnote compared to the battles and wars that will be fought.
Russia knows it. The Russian people know it. The Chinese know it, the Chinese people know it.
They know who NATO is.

Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 4:40 utc | 173

@ Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 4:32 utc | 170 who makes argument based on Ukraine having “still some 500k AFU still in the field”
Got any proof of that number and functional composition?
Links please? That or I wouldn’t be so strident about those of us who claim the end is nigh for Ukraine.
Are you not reading about the killing fields that Russia is setting up and “executing” as part of their advancements….I read somewhere the speculation that soon over 2+K dead per day…..you want to go stand in front of that train Jake?
Russia will get Odessa by surrender, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2024 4:44 utc | 174

All we have to do us wait. The Ukraine is falling into our lap. VVP is the greatest wartime commander of the past two centuries,

Posted by: Merkin.Scot | May 12 2024 4:44 utc | 175

Re: Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2024 1:54 utc | 152

I am on record of thinking Ukraine is likely to crash before May 20 and the pace is certainly not slowing so who knows where that straw is that breaks the camels back…..my fall back prognostication date for Ukraine surrender is early August.

And you will be wrong on both – as you have been before – when did you predict Odessa would fall? Kyiv would surrender? Wasn’t it by early Spring?
There is NO CHANCE this thing ends under a Biden Administration.
Given you don’t understand that you keep making all these incorrect predictions.
You fundamentally misunderstand why this conflict is happening – it’s happening because Biden is in the White House – and as long as he’s there it will continue.
Whether Ukraine crashes or not is of no consequence.

Posted by: Julian | May 12 2024 4:44 utc | 176

@ Julian | May 12 2024 4:44 utc | 174 who wrote to me

You fundamentally misunderstand why this conflict is happening – it’s happening because Biden is in the White House – and as long as he’s there it will continue.
Whether Ukraine crashes or not is of no consequence.

Its late Saturday night here and I am listing to Jimi Hendrix cranked up streaming from KNKX and will respond to your ignorance projected.
Your insistence that the conflict in Ukraine is centered totally around Biden is delusional, you know. I understand that Biden has a lot of family corruption to hide in Ukraine but that is part of why he is such a owned tool for empire. Just because he has been an owned tool all his life in contrast to Hollywood Trump who is as compromised as the next middling oligarch. I encourage you to expand your contextualization of how the world is working to a broader perspective than Biden’s dirty laundry.
You stating that the outcome of the SMO in Ukraine seems like another delusional outburst. Is there some geopolitical antimatter that I am unaware of that negates the Ukraine loss to the geopolitical world?
I am going to take more of my medical marijuana now….this can be fun but I haven’t seen any change, evolution, or learning from you so far at the bar, so rule #4 of Hopi precepts kicks in as perspective to my textual white noise here…….Don’t own the outcome.
Peace!

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2024 5:01 utc | 177

If you followed the battles the USA fought in Aleppo and Mosul a few years back they were both fought using the same atrittion tactics the Russians use.
Posted by: HB_Norica | May 11 2024 21:17 utc | 116
Irak: 5000 NATO soldiers lost their lives, 500000 civilians
Ukraine: 10000 civilians lost their lives (both sides combined, source UN), 500000 Russian soldiers (source: Ukraine)
The same attrition tactics?

Posted by: Marvin | May 12 2024 5:10 utc | 178

@ Jake Blanchard
Your views @ 151 are unsupported.
Thank you for reading my post, but I try avoiding your comments as they tend to be long winded, full of inconsistencies or include made up “statistics ” and often linked to discredited or unverified sites.
Oh and just plain rude mostly as you try to “shout” down other commentators.
I also doubt your authenticity and motivation here at the bar.
Slava Rossiya.

Posted by: Suresh | May 12 2024 5:17 utc | 179

@psychohistorian | Sun, 12 May 2024 04:44:00 GMT | 172

Russia will get Odessa by surrender, IMO

Yes, very likely. They’ll probably trade Kiev for it.

Posted by: James M. | May 12 2024 5:25 utc | 180

In response to

@psychohistorian | Sun, 12 May 2024 04:44:00 GMT | 172
Russia will get Odessa by surrender, IMO
Yes, very likely. They’ll probably trade Kiev for it.
Posted by: James M. | May 12 2024 5:25 utc | 177

I believe that if Putin has anything to say about it the public in those regions will be the ones to decide which nation they wish to affiliate with going forward……based on that, some assumptions can be made…..

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2024 5:35 utc | 181

@kassandra | Sun, 12 May 2024 04:05:00 GMT | 166

Ukraine must be fully conquered. Many parts will rejoin the Russian Federation, but the rest cannot be left to be “neutral” or re-occupied by NATO forces. It must become a union state.

I don’t think it’s necessary to “fully conquer” Ukraine. It can be neutered though. It’s probably better for Russia if they do sign a peace treaty with whatever rump is left, that way there’s a definitive “end” to the conflict, at least legally. If they take Kiev, the Zelensky government could flee, set up in exile, direct an insurgency, the West/NATO can foment unrest, and will deny legitimacy to Russia’s moves, etc.
There are too many what ifs if Ukraine disappears from the map. The last time a country was completely absorbed by another was the 1990 Iraq invasion of Kuwait, and that didn’t end well for Iraq. Parts of Ukraine can be absorbed into Russia, but states still take sovereignty seriously, so it’s better that at least some part of Ukraine is left.
The US/Russia can of course sign a treaty making Ukraine “neutral”, and violations of this make Ukraine subject to losing its sovereignty at a later date.

Posted by: James M. | May 12 2024 5:36 utc | 182

@scorpion | Sun, 12 May 2024 03:55:00 GMT | 165

The military kinetics are only part of the overall equation.

The military “kinetics” as you put it, are kind of key. The US dollar is only supreme, and the US is only considered a hegemon, mainly due to its supposed military superiority. A Russia victory in Ukraine will put a crack in that alleged inviolable facade, as did the US retreat from Afghanistan. It’s a build-up and gradual.
We’re not going to wake up one day and find, after some non-existent summit, that the world is divided between the US and Russia/China. Nation-states will choose their own pole, gravitating naturally to it, and adjusting their state strategies (balancing, bandwagoning, hedging, buck-passing) accordingly.

Posted by: James M. | May 12 2024 5:46 utc | 183

@psychohistorian | Sun, 12 May 2024 05:35:00 GMT | 178

I believe that if Putin has anything to say about it the public in those regions will be the ones to decide which nation they wish to affiliate with going forward……based on that, some assumptions can be mad

Well, they’d have to hold a vote first. The Zelensky government isn’t going to allow any referendums at all, we know that.

Posted by: James M. | May 12 2024 5:49 utc | 184

The US/Russia can of course sign a treaty making Ukraine “neutral”, and violations of this make Ukraine subject to losing its sovereignty at a later date.
Posted by: James M. | May 12 2024 5:36 utc | 179
This is un-serious. The US is agreement incapable, and the next war will be just like this one- presented to the west as resistance to Russian aggression. Basing policy on some kind of fantasy ‘public opinion’ is absurd. Russia will do what it needs to do (unless it can’t- always a possibility) and the west will have to learn to live with it or die trying not to. There’s no comparison between Ukraine and Iraq, between Russia and the US. The comparison to the spate of Forever Wars initiated by the US has meaning only in the sense that Russia knows it must win the peace. Russia has proven itself quite good at quelling western-backed insurgencies and turning western patsies into firm allies- but so far only when occupying the ground. Occupation is the precondition to a lasting peace. This does not mean that there will be a lasting peace even when Ukraine is completely occupied by the RF, or re-integrated into it, but there is no possibility of a lasting peace if Ukraine is not completely occupied.

Posted by: Honzo | May 12 2024 5:56 utc | 185

No insurgency would happen. NATO fantasy, same as Ukrainians willing to die. Most ran or defected. The ones who stayed were those too poor, or too in love with their coup.
Russians are also poor. Imagine if 8 million russians, or adjusted per capita, 32 million Russians fled at the start.
There will be no brave acts of insurrection when forced to go underground to Russian intelligence services, (and harsh legal system, especially against any kind of “terrorist”).
CIA cant play defense again in Ukraine.
The Ukrainians only seem fierce because they have NATO ISR and the most modern weapons at their disposal, in mass quantity.
They are being “denazified” more and more every day.
eg
If they fled when they had the full backing of their own government and NATO, they will not fight as desperate partisans in the hills of western ukraine.
I will repeat myself on this one more often:
Western ukrainian insurgency is NATO fantasy trying to project how they got fucked onto how they’d like to see Russia get fucked. Will not happen because multiple circumstances are different:
1) Anywhere USA suffered insurgency, there was a massive cultural malas.
In Ukraine, a bonus large, Russophile population. Even in farthest west, 15%, of which eager, and vengeful, will gladly play collaborator with FSB et al.
2). The absence of ANY kind of religious cohesion.

Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 5:57 utc | 186

Western ukrainian insurgency is NATO fantasy trying to project how they got fucked onto how they’d like to see Russia get fucked. Will not happen because multiple circumstances are different…
Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 5:57 utc | 183

The main thing that differs now is the Internet history. Every person in Ukraine now can be filtered by the posts they made prior the occupation. Sure, most were forced to say something supportive about Zelensky, but those who enthused against Russia would be checked separately.

Posted by: Poslan1 | May 12 2024 6:06 utc | 187

Posted by: Mr B | May 12 2024 0:27 utc | 141
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TVP propaganda, you’re funny!

Posted by: AI | May 12 2024 6:09 utc | 188

Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 1:23 utc | 147
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Meduza —> Latvia, a neo-NAZI enclave, that’s also funny.

Posted by: AI | May 12 2024 6:14 utc | 189

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 1:54 utc | 151
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Your whole thesis is flawed due to your lack of understanding of history and cruel reality on the ground.

Posted by: AI | May 12 2024 6:25 utc | 190

@Honzo | Sun, 12 May 2024 05:56:00 GMT | 182

This is un-serious. The US is agreement incapable, and the next war will be just like this one- presented to the west as resistance to Russian aggression. Basing policy on some kind of fantasy ‘public opinion’ is absurd.

It’s not just for the benefit of the US. But all those other countries out there in Africa, Latin America, Southeast Asia, the Middle East, that are now fence-sitters. What happens when/if Russia holds its forces short of destruction of Kiev, and say, as they have always said, they are willing to negotiate. The Ukrainians finally wave the white flag, and the peace treaty is mediated by a disinterested third-party – the African countries for example.
Does the US go ahead and violate that treaty, and risk the ire of the rest of the world? Will the African states tolerate that? Will the Saudis? Will India? If Russia is looking magnanimous in victory and the US/NATO are looking petty, isn’t that a good look for Russia? Public optics and opinion do matter in politics. I am sure Putin knows this, even if you do not.

Posted by: James M. | May 12 2024 6:25 utc | 191

Posted by: Suresh | May 12 2024 5:17 utc | 176
>>>Jake Blanchard. Your views @ 151 are unsupported.<<< So in what ways are they unsupported? What supports *your discounting* of my (fairly obvious) deductions from facts and what supports *your evidence* for previously saying "NATO is finished"? >>>I try avoiding your comments as they tend to be long winded, full of inconsistencies or include made up “statistics ” and often linked to discredited or unverified sites.<<< Lol. Total rubbish. You must have me mixed up with someone else. Long winded to you probably just means anything >140 characters.
I never use statistics as I generally distrust them, so why would I make up any.
I rarely link to other sites, and they would never be to discredited or uncertified.
>>> You are just plain rude and try to “shout” down other commentators.<<< Lol. Yes, rude to dickheads. How does one shout down others in a written forum? >>>I also doubt your authenticity and motivation here at the bar.<<< Lol. Now I KNOW your are either deluded or have me mixed up with someone else. Lol.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 6:27 utc | 192

Posted by: Suresh | May 12 2024 2:55 utc | 158
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neo-NAZI nato is facing the same fate Hitler went through – total defeat.

Posted by: AI | May 12 2024 6:34 utc | 193

Vovchansk is already partially enveloped from the west and east.
Seems AFU was very unprepared for this attack, having sent two brigades who were unprepared. One of the brigades was already half strength moved from Chasov Yar, and another was sent from the Belarus border, where nothing has happened.
A lot of AFU artillery systems were spotted and destroyed in the area. Amazingly enough, AFU still tried to deploy launchers into position to attack Belgorod, NOT the Russian forces attacking. Consequentially artillery was deployed close to the line to reach Belgorod where they were spotted quickly and destroyed. Seems like kamikaze mentality, must get a few more shots to Belgorod, whatever the cost.

Posted by: unimperator | May 12 2024 6:38 utc | 194

Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 4:40 utc | 171
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neo-NAZI nato is weak, depleted, afraid, bleeding, inconsequential with limited lifeshell.

Posted by: AI | May 12 2024 6:45 utc | 195

Does the US go ahead and violate that treaty, and risk the ire of the rest of the world? Will the African states tolerate that? Will the Saudis? Will India? If Russia is looking magnanimous in victory and the US/NATO are looking petty, isn’t that a good look for Russia? Public optics and opinion do matter in politics. I am sure Putin knows this, even if you do not.
Posted by: James M. | May 12 2024 6:25 utc | 188
First, you set up an absurd hypothetical, the belies you do not understand what mediating nations do. They provide both carrot and stick. Both sides must first agree that the mediator is powerful enough to help provide both carrot and stick to the other if the other breaks treaty.
This is why Venezuela has never mediated an Asian war, or Bali a European one. African nations mediating is laughable.
But then, you go on to talk about how NATO would hypothetically react to your absurd hypothetical, and then you extrapolate a hypothetical reaction, that is itself absurd. USA doesnt care about world opinion, bevause it makes world opinion.
Its like an absurd hypothetical singularity of hypothetical absurdity cubed.
Secondly,

Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 6:46 utc | 196

@UWDude | Sun, 12 May 2024 05:57:00 GMT | 183

Will not happen because multiple circumstances are different:
1) Anywhere USA suffered insurgency, there was a massive cultural malas.
In Ukraine, a bonus large, Russophile population. Even in farthest west, 15%, of which eager, and vengeful, will gladly play collaborator with FSB et al.
2). The absence of ANY kind of religious cohesion.

In Eastern Ukraine there will likely be no insurgency, but in western Ukraine, there could be an insurgency. Insurgencies don’t arise due to religious differences only. It is not exclusive to that or Islamists.
Insurgencies arise because a weaker faction in a country want to wrest control from a stronger one. Oftentimes it is triggered by a foreign occupation. No one is insurgency-proof, even Napoleon had one in his “Spanish ulcer.”
If it is funded externally, and the US/UK have many years of practice with this, it could become, at the least a minor nuisance for Russia, and at most a serious challenge to its authority in Ukraine, draining resources. Anyway, it is only one reason I suspect that Russia will not absorb all of Ukraine.

Posted by: James M. | May 12 2024 6:47 utc | 197

Posted by: James M. | May 12 2024 5:46 utc | 180
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It’s not longer 2D but 3D. To wit China-Russia-Iran

Posted by: AI | May 12 2024 6:49 utc | 198

I didnt say the insurgency needed a religious component, I said it needed religious cohesion. It can be the same religion as the oppressors, but it needs something.
Ukrainian orthodox is not a serious religion. It’s a political joke, like Ukraine itself.

Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 6:53 utc | 199

@UWDude | May 12 2024 1:10 utc | 146

The numbers seem to fluctuate greatly.

This is reminiscent of “climate science” where 100 year old measurements are ‘revised’ down today, causing an apparent upwards trend used fraudulently by ‘policy makers’. Obviously, no such thing would happen in relation to Russian SMO statistics, would it?

Posted by: Norwegian | May 12 2024 6:55 utc | 200