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May 3, 2024
Ukraine SitRep: Niu-York Cauldron – Sumi Diversion – Supplying Crimea

A current look at the map in the east of Ukraine:

April 03, 2024

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The above maps are of the eastern front in Ukraine on April 3 and May 3. Opening them side by side one can see two significant moves by Russian forces. In the north the forces are moving west towards Chasiv Yar which is a high ground controlling anything further west of it.

On the southern part of the map, north of Avdiivka, the Russian forces have taken Ocheretyne and Keramik.

Both movements together let one anticipate a larger two pronged plan:

  • From Chasiv Yar a move west roughly along the H32 road towards Konstantynivka.
  • From Keramik a move north roughly along the H-20 road.

This would form a pincer which would envelope the large mining conglomerate around Niu-York, west of Horlivka. The area has been on the frontline since 2014. It is thus heavily fortified. Surrounding it is much more convenient and less bloody than storming it outright.

The Economist had a talk (archived) with Vadym Skibitsky, the deputy head of Ukraine’s military intelligence.

He seems to have already given up on Chasiv Yar:

Ukraine’s immediate concern is its high-ground stronghold in the town of Chasiv Yar, which holds the keys to an onward Russian advance to the last large cities in the Donetsk region (see map). It is probably a matter of time before that city falls in a similar way to Avdiivka, bombed to oblivion by the Russians in February, says the general. “Not today or tomorrow, of course, but all depending on our reserves and supplies.”

Russia has already won a tactical success in the south-west in the village of Ocheretyne, where a recent Ukrainian troop rotation was bungled. Russian forces succeeded in breaking through a first line of defence and have created a salient 25 square kilometres in size. Ukraine is some way from stabilising the situation, while Russia is throwing “everything” it has to achieve a bigger gain. The Russian army is not the hubristic organisation it was in 2022, says the general, and is now operating as a “single body, with a clear plan, and under a single command”.

Mr. Skibitsky is in a generally gloomy mood:

General Skibitsky says he does not see a way for Ukraine to win the war on the battlefield alone. Even if it were able to push Russian forces back to the borders—an increasingly distant prospect—it wouldn’t end the war. Such wars can only end with treaties, he says.

It is good to finally see some realism reaching Kiev.

Some Russian forces are ready to (again) enter Ukraine from the north to threaten the cities of Sumy and Kharkiv. I see this as a diversion attempt, not as a serious operation to take those cities. It is binding Ukrainian forces in the north while the eastern frontlines are too thinly occupied to hold off further attacks.

One fixation of the Ukrainian side has been the Kerch bridge which connects the larger Russia with Crimea. It was hoped that any destruction of the bridge would hamper the Russian logistics. But a map of the new railway tracks Russia has build on the northern side of the Sea of Asov shows that there are now several redundant ways to supply Crimea. A destruction of the Kerch bridge now would be a just-for-show moment without any significant consequences for the Russian positions.


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Maybe that is the problem – all the smart people are dead?

Posted by: jared | May 5 2024 14:00 utc | 301

Re: Posted by: William Gruff | May 5 2024 13:14 utc | 299

Really? It is an objective fact that you Nazis are losing in the Ukraine. By any measure you choose, whether it is body count, economic degradation, or even territorial gains as you simple minded types can only grasp, you are losing. You are the one who comes to the bar to rant impotently against that reality, so who is delusional?
Your delusions are so pathetically stupid that you think terrorist strikes by your “team” against civilians count for you instead of against you. You are seriously gone, dude (apologies for assuming your gender there… Julie-Ann can be biologically male in Europe, right?).

Ha, maybe this is more projection.
Do you suffer from cognitive dissonance?
How can you hold in your mind the theory that an ATTRITION STRATEGY will cause less death?!?
Utterly bizarre.
The very point of an ATTRITION STRATEGY is to destroy and kill as many of the opposition’s troops/people as possible!
A swift end to the conflict – ie, overwhelming territorial gains – will cause less deaths than endless war via attrition.
The fact you can’t grasp this is frankly astonishing.
And yes, you’ve made several erroneous assumptions in your post! lol

Posted by: Julian | May 5 2024 14:00 utc | 302

Why are the Russian leaders always so grave?
Maybe that is why people leave.
There was humorous post on Slavyangrad this morning:
Two Ukrainian geeks doing a video discussion (so, sitting at their computers), expessing anger and frustration that young Ukrainians are reluctant to return to fight for their counntry.
Irony, personified.
I suggest moa should identify Ukrainian locations in proper cyrillic form, maybe with following prompt of latin form. Because pronunciation is straight-forward and I think that we too much translate to our own terms.
Clare Daly did humourous bit the other day (presentation to parliament) in response to Germans had banned to use of some language (I forget which one). There remain good people. She makes me proud (in a strictly platonic sense, of course).

Posted by: jared | May 5 2024 14:17 utc | 303

Posted by: Julian | May 5 2024 14:00 utc | 302
Can you send me some of the dugs that you are on!
They must be very powerful for you to entertain such fanciful delusions.

Posted by: canuck | May 5 2024 15:40 utc | 304

A swift end to the conflict – ie, overwhelming territorial gains – will cause less deaths than endless war via attrition.
The fact you can’t grasp this is frankly astonishing.
And yes, you’ve made several erroneous assumptions in your post! lol
Posted by: Julian | May 5 2024 14:00 utc | 302
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Attrition warfare: relatively modest Russian losses, catastrophic 404 losses.
“Overwhelming territorial gains”: much greater Russian losses, possibly less catastrophic losses.
Seems clear to me why Russia chooses the former. The fact that you can’t grasp this is frankly astonishing.

Posted by: malenkov | May 5 2024 16:50 utc | 305

*possibly less catastrophic 404 losses (of course)

Posted by: malenkov | May 5 2024 16:51 utc | 306

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/05/01/aysm-m01.html
Meanwhile, a Trotskyist is persecuted in 404. Imprisoned in Nikolayev, Trotsky’s home town.

Posted by: Waldorf | May 5 2024 17:17 utc | 307

With the SMO I simply cannot see any circumstances, bar massive, direct, intervention by the West, that allow Ukraine to wriggle off the horns of the dilemma she finds herself on, focusing on territory, as a metric of success, risks disguising or omitting this ‘fact’. The latest intervention by Cameron just reinforces this impression of desperation, as do the increasing number of pro-Ukraine commentators preparing their audiences for a reality-check. Then again, that could be 5D tactics by the West, to fool them’ not so smart Rooskies!
Posted by: Milites | May 4 2024 12:46 utc | 210
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Milites, not a humble foot soldier but a gem among barflies.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 5 2024 18:34 utc | 308

Before the Lefties celebrate too loudly or quickly, both China and Russia will have to eventually face the same turbulent dichotomies, generated by the 21st Century, but are currently enjoying the interval created by delayed industrialisation.
Posted by: Milites | May 5 2024 13:58 utc | 300
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Delayed industrialization? May I refer you tour other distinguished barfly, karlof1?
In addition to karlof1, ask yourself how different economies can evolve industrially and otherwise while interfering with the ‘invisible hand’ of Adam Smith. Even Joseph Schumpeter thought that government interference in creating and supporting colonialism was a major benefit to private enterprise. At the start of WW I, Germany was lagging in that department.
Somewhat OT, but the Netherlands East Indies were established by private enterprise with its own licence for raising armies. The Netherlands West Indies Company was not similarly well equipped, which is why this conversation is conducted in English, not Dutch, the Duke of York making a decisive difference. South Africa followed the Dutch East Indies model until the Brits decided that gold and diamonds were worth some effort.
China is doing well for feeding a 1.5B population and preventing mass starvation at the expense of expression of opinion. Russia also make it compromises and for its success stories, I refer you to karlof1. After WW II the Netherlands followed some of what is now the Russian model.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 5 2024 18:48 utc | 309

Regarding transport across the sea of Azov, and possible logistics support across the Dnieper, Russia used to employ large, industrial sized hovercraft in the Caspian. I wonder of the factory for said craft is being dusted off for recommencing production?

Posted by: scepticalSOB | May 5 2024 18:51 utc | 310

A while back I posted about how morale in Ukraine had reached a low point partly because that in spite of government propaganda, and the Zelenskyy regime having closed down news outlets that could post the truth of the state of the war, all the people in the East had family or friends, or friends with family, who had either been killed or wounded when fighting against the Russian Federation forces.
Since I posted that the situation has become much more dire, with a much more pronounced general awareness of all the soldiers killed and soldiers seriously wounded. Overflowing cemeteries don’t tell lies, and this is the environment that the West and the Zelenskyy regime expect to be conducive to getting those who fled the war, and have been blissfully living in other countries, to surrender themself to be served up to the awaiting maw of the meat grinder at the front, after just a few months of indifferent training.
And that magical thinking applies to ginning up enthusiasm among the recently graduated university students, and those in their forties and above, or those who had infirmities, who were previously exempt from the draft.
You know, it can be infuriating to encounter the Western propaganda come from the likes of fat cat war pigs like Lindsay Graham which strongly implies all of Ukraine refuses to consider a peace deal, and would rather die than concede an inch of territory that the Zelenskyy regime formerly held. I wish for a reporter to ask them, “Then why have millions of young men fled Ukraine, rather than fight and die for it?”. Why is it that no other nation has ever won a war with that level of total resistance at home to fighting it? Even during America’s Vietnam War there were only tens of thousands, not millions, who fled to Canada, a country where English was spoken, and the way of life was similar. And that was over around a decade of time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_resisters_in_Canada

Posted by: Babel-17 | May 5 2024 20:02 utc | 311

Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 5 2024 18:48 utc | 309
The West led the race, gained the benefits early, exploited them and now are struggling with all the problems their previous solutions have created. The rest of the developed world is at the benefit/exploitation stage, but those chasing at the West’s heels have already had to increasingly interfere with their societies, to maintain the current status quo. Eventually, they will follow a similar revolution, evolution path, where attempts to freeze the inevitable change will only accelerate it. The West’s mistake, in the SMO, was overestimating their impact on Russian society, where Russia was on the track, and forgetting the resilience that this stage of development produces to agents of outside change.
China is very much in the exploitation phase and hopes that it will be able, in typically communist fashion, to bend the arc of history her way, by relying on her society’s traditional social conservatism and attitude to the state. I have my doubts, but my knowledge about that country is anecdotally, or Wiki deep. I do suspect that their much vaunted military is unlikely to perform anywhere close to its potential and that it has yet to prove itself in any serious engagements, brawling with, and losing to Indian troops, and harassing neighbouring fishing fleets do not count, by the way.

Posted by: Milites | May 5 2024 20:10 utc | 312

Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 5 2024 18:48 utc | 309
“China is doing well for feeding a 1.5B population and preventing mass starvation at the expense of expression of opinion.”
Very puzzled at how you can connect those two factors into cause and effect. And, the latter, I see, as a rather harmless blocking of anti-cultural influences, no different to Russia’s political and religious steerage away from Gaydom, oligargy, NGO-ism … or even Britain’s fight against a Caliphate occuring in Birmingham. And let’s be honest, the West certainly has its methods of opinion suppression too, just less overt!
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Posted by: Milites | May 5 2024 20:10 utc | 312
“China is very much in the exploitation phase and hopes that it will be able, in typically communist fashion, to bend the arc of history her way, by relying on her society’s traditional social conservatism and attitude to the state. I have my doubts”.
1, My reading of Chinese culture is not so much of a governing communist ideology but of a much older Confucian mindset and racial cohesion, meaning an abiding social-spiritual agreement from peasants up to Presidents. Your term “social conservatism” is but a Western filter not applicable to China, spewing out of our (so-called) liberalism. Also, your phrase “attitude to the state” is another Western misperception of the way Chinese have long seen their rulership as a wise father figure manager rather than a power structure … vis North Korea!
2, The potential “disruptors” of Chinese culture are the many students (and businessmen) who study (and trade) in the west — (a) most returning to help accelerate Chinese industrialisation to climb up and over the West, with (b) many staying yet working for their old country, with (c) some converting fully to Western culture. That number of a+b+c plus even 2nd/3rd generation Chinese descendents in the West is tiny compared to the remaining Chinese nationals. I don’t see the former ever threatening the latter. What’s more, the West is currently undergoing a heady backlash to help limit “the Chinese takeover of the West”. It’s the new anti-Muslim campaign.
3, To have your doubts, you must believe the “smarties” (residents and expats) can/will overcome the 2000+ years of Chinese culture which, I believe, is what holds its growing capitalism in check rather than the “surveilence state”. I have doubts that Western capitalism will ever corrode China into its own image so long as Confusionism AND mild communism exist so deeply in its fabric.
No offence, but so many Westerners keep seeing China through Western eyes (pun intended).
Although never having visited, I’ve watched a lot of really good talks on what China is really like underneath the MSM narratives; how its philosophical history has formed its people and its present society; what it REALLY wants to do on the globe; how it truly sees the West. Even the terms Eastern and Western, Occidental and Oriental are Anglo-European fabrications. Since globalisation, it’s got toooo stupid to even delineate. These days, one may as well say slopey-eyes and non-slopey-eyes, or whiteskins vs yellowskins. Like the simplistic categories of whites, blacks, browns. The dominant liberal world is now trying to be a melting pot, in economic and cultural terms. But certain cultures are trying to resist. Good on ’em, I say.
The esteemed speakers’ conclusions are that the West has China ALL WRONG … a similar misperception to how the US-Anglo-Euros see Russia ALL WRONG. Hmmm, makes ya wonder what might be the common denominator? Perhaps something to do with the Judeo-Christian white supremist, born to rule, Empire complex. It’s not just the US playing hegemon — its “The West” as a whole.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 5 2024 22:59 utc | 313

re. Odessa:
A combined land/sea offensive would require more forces than I see Russia mobilizing (now or in the foreseeable future). And it would be quite difficult for (European) NATO states to *not* move troops from Romania to secure the city/ region.
The paramount strategic importance of the city is obvious to all. The only ‘thing’ Ukraine might be willing to exchange it for in negotiations is Kiev itself, imo.
Posted by: smuks | May 5 2024 8:03 utc | 271
Admittedly, Odessa is a conundrum. The only way Russian troops can get there via land is for a collapse of the Ukrainian lines, and they are pushed back west of the Dnieper river. To the extent that puts Kiev in danger, as well as Odessa. Between the two, assuming they don’t have the manpower to cover both, the Ukrainians would most likely defend Kiev, leaving Russia to take Odessa.
I think it would be actually quite difficult for NATO to “move troops” into the Odessa theater. Their presence alone isn’t going to be enough to deter Russia. I am reliably informed that Putin has a law background, and thus is probably familiar with treaty law, and how the North Atlantic treaty operates.
As long as Russian forces don’t attack an actual NATO member, Article V won’t activate. Putin knows this, Russia knows this, NATO knows this. So any troops sent in to Odessa, assuming they are a token force, are basically free game, and will be chewed up by Russian forces.
The only way a NATO involvement deters Russia in Odessa is if it is large, and includes a significant component of American soldiers, but I just don’t see that happening. Two thousand French troops? A 1,000 Dutch? 500 Italians? A sprinkling of Romanians and Poles? Maybe a few Latvians? It may delay the Russian advance by a few days, but it won’t change the outcome. All those countries’ leaders will have in the end is a bunch of body bags, and empty excuses.

Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 0:10 utc | 314

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 5 2024 22:59 utc | 313
A pretty good post on the whole Jake.
I don’t always agree with you, and as for Milites, Karlof and Acco Hengst- all three of these commentators have pretty deep knowledge and their comments should always be considered seriously.
Acco I mostly agree with,
Karlof I mostly agree with
Milites I sometimes agree with, but I do not dispute his background knowledge
For you Jake, I’m not sure myself whether I mostly agree or disagree with you, but as for your @313, I think it was a good effort. Will keep considering your posts (provided they are not too long and convoluted) and hope you keep getting ticks in my “good book”.
Regards-

Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 6 2024 0:22 utc | 315

Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 0:10 utc | 314
The only way a NATO involvement deters Russia in Odessa is if it is large, and includes a significant component of American soldiers, but I just don’t see that happening. Two thousand French troops? A 1,000 Dutch? 500 Italians? A sprinkling of Romanians and Poles? Maybe a few Latvians? It may delay the Russian advance by a few days, but it won’t change the outcome. All those countries’ leaders will have in the end is a bunch of body bags, and empty excuses.
I cannot see that a large contingent of US troops is a mandatory condition for Western deployment to defend Odessa.
Surely European nations could collectively assemble a respectable force (under auspices of various bilateral arrangements with Kiev). I have addressed this previously -Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 4 2024 4:41 utc | 139. Note also the large NATO (and other) exercises presently underway in North Europe, and scheduled to end in May. Many of these forces could relatively easily and quickly be “re-deployed” to Western Ukraine for this purpose.
In short, if the West sees Odessa as being so important – as I think they do- then some serious effort would be needed to prevent the evil Russians from gaining this prize. This effort does not need to be formally under the NATO trademark.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 6 2024 0:55 utc | 316

Surely European nations could collectively assemble a respectable force (under auspices of various bilateral arrangements with Kiev).
Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 6 2024 0:55 utc | 316
The Europeans have never done a major NATO military mission without the US involved. If the Europeans do that collectively without US, then it will be under EU auspices, CSDP most likely, and not NATO, and it would be very small. The CSDP isn’t designed for larger commitments.
If they go in individually, based on what are currently non-binding bilateral agreements, as you suggest, again the troop commitments would be token.
These are the countries Ukraine has signed non-binding bilateral security agreements with: United Kingdom, Germany, France, Denmark, Canada, Italy, the Netherlands, Finland, and Latvia. Out of those, only the UK, Germany, and France can afford to send anything more than a few hundred troops. But I don’t see the UK sending troops without the US or NATO involved, same with Canada.
Germany has said no to any troop involvement, so that only leaves France. Macron talks a big game, but he’s all hat and no cattle. If he blinked before the Nigerien coup, he’ll definitely blink before Putin. He won’t risk it, but it sets him up to say afterwards: Oh see I told you so, we should have sent troops, if only US/Germany/UK/ etc. had listened to me we could have saved Odessa. And the recriminations will follow.
We’ll see, but I think it will likely play out this way.

Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 1:56 utc | 317

Barrel Brown | May 6 2024 0:22 utc | 315
I chuckle at your judgements and your marking system for people’s posts! Is my “good effort” for #313 an A or just a B+. Truly, I’m not at all concerned (or flattered) by such things as who agrees/disagrees with me. Besides, if anyone here or elsewhere were to “fully agree with” me on everything, I would be very concerned about their mental health. 🙂

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 2:59 utc | 318

Milites 300:
Before the Lefties celebrate too loudly or quickly, both China and Russia will have to eventually face the same turbulent dichotomies, generated by the 21st Century, but are currently enjoying the interval created by delayed industrialisation.
May I suggest that they are going to leapfrog over the West in this regard? When I first visited the Philippines in 1990, just getting a traditional phone line was a huge hassle; the official waiting list was years. You had to grease palms to get service installed. But in just ten years, no one wanted a land line anymore; everyone had moved to text. And installing cell capacity was significantly easier than trying to run new wire. The new tech means you don’t have to wait anymore.
The political institutions of the West are based on the technology of the 1700s; the British term ‘riding’ refers to the area that a member of Parliament could cover in a day’s ride on horseback. Representative democracy was required because the peasants were too uneducated to have an opinion on many things; they needed someone educated to digest and summarize matters in a way they could understand. I understand that some would contend things have not changed much in this regard; that’s a different issue.
Today, with virtual full access to the world’s information via our WISPs (Wireless Internet Smart Phone), one might think we are on the verge of a citizen’s revolution where banker wars would replaced by mutual cooperation and peace. Alas, the WISP is more foe than friend; far too many have fallen victim to its ADHD lifestyle, aided and abetted by AI and algorithms designed to distract our minds, dissipate our energy, and divert our attention. Even more sinister is the fact the WISP is a resonate medium.
Each little tribe on the net, from our humble barflies to huge FB groups, resonates. Each of us both adds energy to, and takes energy from, the system, and the system ‘vibrates’ on a consistent ‘frequency’ – here, more or less support for the SMO, and disgust at the actions in Gaza by Bibi and friends. Many people rely on their WISPs for all their news. Because we can choose from so many different feeds, we actually *curate* our own reality from many thousands available.
We are all aware, for example, how easy it is to build and maintain a world view that Putin is evil, global warming is real, Biden won 81 million votes, and Trump is the most dangerous man alive. Just get your feeds from WaPo/NYT/CNN/MSNBC and etc. French philosopher Jean Baudrillard coined the term “hyperreality” to define such states, where a great many people believe and support a world view that is apparently at odds with what most of us here would call reality.
In the US, we have seen the introduction of many dangerous and subversive hyperrealities over the last two decades. The AGW scam, the trans sex scam, now the migrant scam – the goal is to fracture the US populace between warring hyperrealities, so that they can be more easily controlled by the robber-barons.
Russia is in a different situation. There, Putin has the support of his people because, among other things, his government is not teaching kids to question their sex at age 7, he is not allowing his borders to be overrun by invaders, and he supports the Orthodox Church and its values – at least nominally. I don’t see evidence that Russia is torn apart by competing hyperrealities as the West is. I don’t see it in China either.
One might not agree with Russia’s or China’s values. I’m fairly certain I don’t agree with all of them. But their people believe their leaders have done great things. The Chinese remember the crushing poverty after Mao’s failures; the Russians remember the chaos after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. They see their countries now, and are proud of the strides they have made in the last 30 years. Because of that, both countries have more unified peoples than the west. This is why I have no hope that the West will win any direct confrontation with either.
What might change this would be a miscalculation by China or Russia. A Chinese move on Taiwan, or a Russian tactical nuke, would be exactly the catalyst required to shock and re-orient all those Western hyperrealities, and generate the type of resonating energy we saw during WWII, for example. Even then, Western force may be so dissipated by drugs, depravity, and ‘diversity’ that it will be unable to prevail.

Posted by: FrankDrakman | May 8 2024 3:42 utc | 319