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May 20, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-145

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine.

The Economist wants us to know that Volodymyr Zelensky’s presidential term expires on May 20th.

I am sure that Russia will act accordingly.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Comments

/cheeep cheep cheep cheep! ^.^
Oh lawd, thank you MoA! Keep ’em coming!
Love these ideas of expired, puppet, cocaine Hitler, urban cowboy, Lil’ Dick Tater… it’s almost a on the way to being a household name! I found The Duran’s “_elensky” (in honor of stupid anti-letter-Z laws) funny. But now he’s elevated to Palestinian Authority Abbas level of illegitimacy.
Expired Puppet, ventriloquist dummy, _elensky… Expired ‘entriloquist ‘ummy, ‘elensky?
Cocaine-operated Poppet? Actor-cum-Commando-cum-on-a-piano? Past Sell-By Date USA Middle-Finger Puppet? Stale Joke Comedian? Sketch-Comedy Mussolini? Yeah, I’m not so good at insulting nicknames.
More! We need more!
/cheep cheep cheep ^.^

Posted by: titmouse | May 21 2024 2:20 utc | 101

Goodnight! Here in Brazil it’s midnight! I’m not a native English speaker and I’m not finding the meaning of “cheep”. What is that?

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 2:51 utc | 102

The question is “who, or what determines a legitimate Government?”
Today, that is determined either by the people in the country (or area), and/or the UN.
The problem is, what good is a constitution if no one follows it?
Blinken gave permission (lost in the guitar playing) to Z that he was the ruler (no elections needed) as long as there was a war.
He might as well have proclaimed him dictator for life.
So there is no reason for Z to ever end the war, if he wants to stay in power. And what megalomaniac doesn’t want that?
I believe Russia will appeal to the UN that there is currently NO legitimate government (lets not forget all the parliament seats not voted on) in place. In fact the ONLY elections happened in Russia occupied territory. Putin has a better claim as a leader than Z does.
I think that meeting with Xi, this was all discussed.
It will be presented to the UN Security council. Russia and China will be facing the rest. Of course any resolution will be vetoed by US and allies. But it will be presented, and force the world to consider.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 21 2024 3:02 utc | 103

@ Elber | May 21 2024 2:51 utc | 102
titmouse is a type of bird… https://www.britannica.com/animal/titmouse

Posted by: james | May 21 2024 3:15 utc | 104

Elber | May 21 2024 2:51 utc | 102
A titmouse is a bird.
Birds chirp, or “cheep”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 3:16 utc | 105

@james has the northern hemisphere advantage.
>Wins by 0.01 secs

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 3:18 utc | 106

#102 Elbers
I am Canadian and I read it as a funny take off of one, or a combination ofŕ these possible words, “squeek of a mouse, “chirp” of a bird, “cheap” as in not wanting to spend much money, or even “sheep” !
Combine to you taste and humor!
I pick cheap mouse!
Others might have more to add!

Posted by: Blind Bridge Troll | May 21 2024 3:24 utc | 107

@ Melaleuca | May 21 2024 3:18 utc | 106
lol! that’s funny melaleuca.. cheers…

Posted by: james | May 21 2024 3:25 utc | 108

I believe Russia will appeal to the UN that there is currently NO legitimate government (lets not forget all the parliament seats not voted on) in place. In fact the ONLY elections happened in Russia occupied territory. Putin has a better claim as a leader than Z does.
I think that meeting with Xi, this was all discussed.
It will be presented to the UN Security council. Russia and China will be facing the rest. Of course any resolution will be vetoed by US and allies. But it will be presented, and force the world to consider.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 21 2024 3:02 utc | 103
The UN Security Council doesn’t deal with questions of domestic ruler legitimacy, for obvious reasons. Otherwise, everyone and their mom would be petitioning the UNSC trying to delegitimize their countries’ rulers. I doubt Russia and China – guardians of domestic sovereignty that they are – will even broach the topic. Zelesnky’s “legitimacy” to rule is determined by the Ukrainian people only.

Posted by: James M. | May 21 2024 3:27 utc | 109

I see theyve persuaded India to attend the sham “peace” conference in switzerland next month and that india will “represent” the global south.
Well, blow me down! Have those countries in the global south, who have basically snubbed the conference invite, agreed to this “representation”? Of course they havent!
The so called conference is merely a propoganda tool to gain ” positive” headlines in the west for the kiev regime. I can see the photo now. All these world leaders stood in line with tge little comedian placed front and middle with his green combats on.
The headline: “World Calls on Putin to Pull Out of Ukraine” or something similar you’ll see.
And thats where Indias role comes into it. For the conference can claim the WHOLE of Africa, SE Asia, latin america etc are there too as “represented” by India.
THE WHOLE THING IS A SHAM

Posted by: HERMIUS | May 21 2024 3:33 utc | 110

>… “world cries: ‘Putin, pull out’”
Yeah. They’re fucked.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 3:40 utc | 111

Posted by: titmouse | May 21 2024 2:20 utc | 101
More! We need more!
/cheep cheep cheep ^.^
How about KY Zelly? Sums up his function at this point.
The KY stands for KYIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIV.

Posted by: Clueless Noob | May 21 2024 3:41 utc | 112

@bar. Looking for smart guys (gals).
Is it possible to search telegram?
Saw a post in the last week, that Iran had announced it now had nuclear weapons.
I scan so many accounts, I doubt I’ll retrace my steps.
Anyone else see that posted on telegram?

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 3:46 utc | 113

…..and of course, it divides the BRICS nations. No wonder theres been a lot diplomatic arm twisting of new dehli.

Posted by: HERMIUS | May 21 2024 3:49 utc | 114

Over the last five days, four top Russian officials have reiterated Russia’s willingness to negotiate with no preconditions with anyone deemed reasonable. The #1 problem is there aren’t any Western officials who are reasonable, and those officials prove that status on a weekly or more often basis. And the Global Majority knows that and thus isn’t fooled one iota.
IMO, the West is scared-to-death to negotiate with Russia, just are they’re scared to compete with China. Soon the West will be cowering in its own little Bloc while the RoW goes about development and democratizing the global system–other facets of the coming reality the West is scared-to-death of occurring.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 21 2024 3:49 utc | 115

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 1:39 utc | 99
Good post. Maybe I’m being optimistic but the Russia-China-Iran axis could be the guiding light that guides reconciliation between India and Pakistan (maybe even China and India).

Posted by: horseguards | May 21 2024 3:49 utc | 116

Leaders of South Africa, Brazil and China will not come to the summit on Ukraine in Switzerland.
It is also expected that the event will be ignored by Egypt, Nigeria, Ghana, Cameroon, Senegal, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Indonesia, India, Syria, Iran, Ethiopia, Malaysia, and Venezuela.
The whole idea for the summit is to get the neutral countries of the “Global South” to back Zelensky’s peace plan.
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/53643

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 3:50 utc | 117

Thank you, James and Melaleuca. From what I understand, “cheep” would be the onomatopoeic way of chirping. But I believe there is another connotative or metaphorical meaning; perhaps even vulgar, q.v.: “Posted by: titmouse | May 21 2024 2:20 utc | 101”.
Returning to Zelensky’s illegitimacy. I understand that this is a powerful weapon for Russia against Ukraine; The longer Zelensky remains leader in this situation, the more illegitimate the entire Kiev regime becomes.
I just read Blind Bridge Troll’s explanation. In my opinion, it’s as if Titmouse were a rat in a filthy stable.

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 3:58 utc | 118

I don’t understand why they are having at least two “peace conferences” without Russia to go over Zelensky’s “peace proposal” which is just a call for the full surrender and punishment of Russia.
What do countries expect to be gained from it? Or does a country have to attend to avoid getting in the USA’s crosshairs?

Posted by: Cheney | May 21 2024 4:00 utc | 119

Posting in English
Thank you, James and Melaleuca. From what I understand, “cheep” would be the onomatopoeic way of chirping. But I believe there is another connotative or metaphorical meaning; perhaps even vulgar, q.v.: “Posted by: titmouse | May 21 2024 2:20 utc | 101”.
Returning to Zelensky’s illegitimacy. I understand that this is a powerful weapon for Russia against Ukraine; The longer Zelensky remains leader in this situation, the more illegitimate the entire Kiev regime becomes.
I just read Blind Bridge Troll’s explanation. In my opinion, it’s as if Titmouse were a rat in a filthy stable.

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 4:01 utc | 120

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 3:50 utc | 117
The idea of the summit is to humiliate* Russia. *There is another specific word in Portuguese, but I don’t know how to say it in English.

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 4:02 utc | 121

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 3:50 utc | 117
Posted by: Cheney | May 21 2024 4:00 utc | 119
Initially, Brazil was reluctant; later, there was pressure, and Brazil decided to send some representatives; now, finally, Brazil has given up for good and does not want anything to do with this summit in any way, except if Russia is present (which Switzerland does not accept).
Brazil’s last decision took place when Putin was in China. The way Putin’s visit went will have major geopolitical consequences.

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 4:20 utc | 122

It has been amusing to see the king of beggars become more and more useful to Russia alive over time. The longer he is in power the more damage to the image of so-called-ukraine project he deals, and image is the most paramaunt to the west, despite being lavished by total western propaganda.
Not only is he a textbook dictator now, in the “freest europe” and focus of media no less, but he allows a foreign chucklefuck to show up in his capital and publically announce when and why his free sovereign country is allowed to have elections. He has never been safest from Russian missiles.
The west can not or are unwilling to replace him, perhapse due to various globalist factions infighting.

Posted by: boneless | May 21 2024 4:27 utc | 123

Seems the moves in Kharkov have a large impact on getting things to move in the Donbass front.
AFU was finally kicked out of Belogorovka, and potentially the hill west of it.
Moves in the Keramkik-Ocheretyne area.
Konstantinovka (west of Novomikhalovka) being enveloped from the fields in the south.
Urozhaine-Staramayorsk under continuous bombardment.
AFU Krynky bridgehead mopped up, again.
All due to the fact AFU diverted troops from these areas to Kharkov. RUAF eased pressure in other places before Kharkov to allow this to happen. Now they are increasing pressure in other places again.

Posted by: unimperator | May 21 2024 4:28 utc | 124

Telegram trawl: multiple accounts. No links. Idgaf.
The President of Bulgaria called Ukraine’s victory over Russia impossible – Euractiv
According to Rumen Radev, if the conflict continues, Ukraine will be “a demographically devastated country, with completely destroyed infrastructure, industry, production, and this will have extremely serious consequences not only for Ukraine, but also for the whole of Europe.”
The Bulgarian leader called for a move from the distribution of weapons to a diplomatic solution to the situation.
He also spoke about the assassination attempt on Slovak Prime Minister Fico by “radical fanatics because of his support for peace”, which “indicates a deep-rooted intolerance of dissent and hatred”.
>…Electronics production in Moscow increased by more than 2.5 times
While amusing Russophobic propagandists imagine Russia as a kind of gas station country, in reality, high-tech production is successfully developing in our country. Based on the results of the first quarter of this year, the production of electronics and computer equipment in Moscow increased 2.5 times.
>… Nine people were arrested in Poland due to “sabotage ordered by the Russian Federation” – Prime Minister Tusk.
According to him, the detainees are accused of beatings, arson and attempted arson. Among the “mercenaries” there are allegedly representatives of the criminal world from Ukraine, Belarus and Poland.
>… Ukraine will be forced to pay debts
Friendship is friendship, but Ukraine will still pay its bills to Western creditors. Holders of Ukrainian government debt are demanding that Kyiv resume payments on Eurobonds, which were stopped at the beginning of 2022 due to the start of the SVO.
In total, Western creditors expect to receive up to $500 million a year in interest from Kyiv.
>… The US State Department explained why the ICC can prosecute Russia, but not Israel.
According to Washington, for the international criminal court to extend its jurisdiction, it must be recognized by at least one party to the conflict.
State Department spokesman Miller said that neither Israel nor Palestine recognize the court, but Ukraine does.
According to him, the United States is ready to cooperate with the ICC, despite the resistance of the Israeli authorities against any investigation into Tel Aviv’s actions in the Gaza Strip.
>…Reader warning. Some of you will reflexively get a grip; Maria speaks/
The Russian Foreign Ministry compared the United States to a spider entangled in its own web
“Washington’s statements in connection with the ICC charges against the Israeli leadership resemble the reaction of a scorpion stung by itself or a spider caught in its own web,” the official noted representative of the Zakharov ministry.
According to her, the catastrophic situation in the Middle East is the work of American political engineers, and the legitimization of the ICC, which is not recognized by Washington itself, depending on the situation – “the calling card of the Anglo-Saxons”.
>…Part of “this is different you don’t understand” and how the “rules based order” applies…
The State Department explained the “fundamental difference” regarding the ICC jurisdiction over the conflicts in Gaza and Ukraine.
According to Washington, the jurisdiction of the ICC extends to those cases where it is recognized by at least one of the parties to the conflict.
Neither Israel nor Palestine recognizes the jurisdiction of this court, but Kiev, the US emphasizes, does.
Therefore, the US believes that only Russia can be persecuted, and this does not concern Israel.
The State Department also emphasized Israel’s readiness to cooperate with the ICC, despite the fact that Israeli authorities had previously rejected all attempts to investigate possible violations of humanitarian law in Gaza.
>…On this day, 20th of May, 2022 Russian Army liberated Mariupol.
>… European officials believe that after the assassination attempt, Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico, who opposed arms supplies to Ukraine and the country’s membership in NATO, may become embittered, the Financial Times reports, citing sources.
According to the publication, the EU fears that Robert Fico could become the “new Viktor Orban” and interfere with the work of the alliance.
>…In the U.S. Congress, a bill will be introduced to impose sanctions on Georgian politicians responsible for promoting the foreign agents law, reports Politico.
The document asserts that Georgia “openly attacked American and other Western organizations promoting democracy,” while seeking to strengthen ties with Moscow and Beijing.
Meanwhile, the Georgian Prime Minister stated on Monday morning that the foreign agents law will ensure long-term peace in the country.
>…Ukrainian bloggers demand that eighteen-year-old boys be drafted into the Armed Forces of Ukraine
One of the flagships of this statement is the well-known “military” blogger Evgeniy Karas, who began to be indignant at the absence of 18-year-old boys at the front during a live telethon.
In his words, they need to be called up first, because “ they don’t have a family yet. ”
He believes that it is much more profitable to throw young people into “meat” assaults than 30-year-old men who already have families.
Considering that Karas is directly subordinate to the Office of the President, his statement means one thing – 18-year-old schoolchildren will soon be drafted into the Ukrainian army.
And if this really happens, then Ukraine will definitely have no future – the country’s young and economically active population will be virtually destroyed.
>…Russians With Attitude
Good summary of Zelensky’s legtimacy problem by историк-алкоголик:
Everyone talks about elections and the term of presidential powers, after which problems with staying in power begin.
But this is mostly speculation – a vivid topic for propaganda.
The Constitution of Ukraine is not archaic; it was written considering global state-building experiences, including the experience of avoiding a power vacuum.
The Constitution, to simplify, is essentially an instruction manual for the application of power in a particular country.
Therefore, it must account for problematic moments, such as the impossibility of holding elections.
And the Constitution of Ukraine does consider this, although there are some ambiguities: it is not entirely clear whether the president can remain in office even after the end of his term until a new one is elected (a norm that exists) or whether he should be replaced by the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada (another norm that also exists). This is the crux of the legitimacy problem.
The Constitutional Court could provide clarification.
And Vladimir Putin subtly mocked Zelensky on this issue during the final press conference in China.
When asked about the legitimacy of the Ukrainian president after May 20, Putin stated that the answer should be given by Ukraine’s political and legal system, including the Constitutional Court.
The irony of the situation is that Zelensky does not appeal to the Constitutional Court. Why not?
Because he was set up by the Americans.
In 2020, the Constitutional Court of Ukraine clashed with the president over the powers of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU).
NABU, an external management body for the country, was basically directly subordinate to Washington DC and had overlapping powers with practically every law enforcement agency.
The Constitutional Court of Ukraine found this contradictory and significantly curtailed their powers.
The head of the world’s most independent country immediately received a hefty kick from Washington with a threat to cut off financial aid, echoed by the IMF.
As a result, Zelensky was in conflict with the Constitutional Court of Ukraine for a year and a half, issuing decrees to dissolve it and dismiss the chairman, although he does not have such rights under the Constitution.
The Constitutional Court annulled these decrees, and so on.
The conflict subsided but did not end with the start of hostilities.
And now the president of Ukraine is simply afraid to seek clarification from the court on constitutional norms because the answer is unpredictable.
Therefore, he remains in a state of legal uncertainty.
……~ https://t.me/RWApodcast/1399

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 4:32 utc | 125

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 21 2024 3:02 utc | 103
To reiterate my #82, in the end, *legitimate leadership* of 404 will be determined by Putin and his Duma. It will have nothing to do with the UN. Russia, being very legalistic regards their usage of their military, will not, cannot, accept any kind of talks, to guarantee the future of RF borderlands unless or until Ukraine has a FULLY TRUSTWORTHY SIGNATORY on behalf of the Ukrainian people. Anything else, including a hanger-on Zelensky, will not satisfy, and only ensure the SMO continues.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 21 2024 4:54 utc | 126

Posted by: karlof1 | May 21 2024 3:49 utc | 115
This is the current dilemma. Karlof said it all in a few words! That’s exactly what’s happening!
After: a) a very interesting song from Soviet times that Putin played in full in China; and b) after Xi’s embrace of Putin; the West lost hope in a supposed future Chinese neutrality.
The West now understands that the more time passes, the defeat will be bigger and worse.
Right now, the West is eager for an “elegant” “conciliatory” “humanitarian” agreement… Macron even invited Russia to celebrate D-Day (I saw it on RT in English a couple of days ago and I even put the link here on MoA).

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 4:58 utc | 127

Over the last five days, four top Russian officials have reiterated Russia’s willingness to negotiate with no preconditions with anyone deemed reasonable.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 21 2024 3:49 utc | 115
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Just more smoke and mirrors. Putin has said many times that any “any negotiations MUST take into account the on-ground realities”. So, technically, that is a clear precondition, ie “our starting point to any discussions is that we get to keep all that we currently occupy”.
And, given that Ukraine’s starting point was and still (outwardly) is the 2014 Ukraine borders, ie RF withdrawal from all SMO lands PLUS Crimea; that makes for two completely incompatible, unresolvable sets of preconditions. Hence an intractible stalemate, resolvable only by brute military force at a Kievan surrender, despite ANYTHING, ANYONE SAYS. I don’t know why anyone on any side bothers to talk about talks. It’s all merely hot-air, the world over.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 21 2024 5:16 utc | 128

I see Finland is considering “carefully” re-opening the border to Russia. I feel sorry for the local population, but I think Russia should “carefully” consider keeping them closed, to all except family. Let Finland rot in its own stupidity and wokeness.

Posted by: g wiltek | May 21 2024 5:57 utc | 129

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 3:46 utc | 113
I saw that too, can’t remember a TG source, but it’s all over a Google search of “Iran nuclear weapons” :
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202405108870

Iranian Politician Says Tehran Might Already Have Nukes
(Friday, 05/10/2024)
Iran International Newsroom
Iran might already possess a nuclear weapon, an insider politician in Tehran said on Friday, after remarks by a senior foreign policy figure the day before about a possible change in nuclear policy.
Ahmad Bakhshayesh Ardestani, re-elected to parliament in March, conveyed to the Rouydad 24 website his belief that Iran’s decision to risk attacking Israel in April stemmed from its possession of nuclear weapons.
Moreover, he drew attention to remarks by Kamal Kharrazi, senior foreign policy advisor to Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei on Thursday, who said that Tehran will change its nuclear doctrine if Israel attacks its atomic facilities. For years, the Islamic Republic has insisted that its nuclear program is entirely peaceful, despite enriching uranium to 60-percent purity, which can only have a weaponization purpose.
“In my opinion, we have achieved nuclear weapons, but we do not announce it. It means our policy is to possess nuclear bombs, but our declared policy is currently within the framework of the JCPOA. The reason is that when countries want to confront others, their capabilities must be compatible, and Iran’s compatibility with America and Israel means that Iran must have nuclear weapons,” Ardestani was quoted as saying.
Clearly putting Iran in the same trench as Russia, Ardestani added, “In a climate where Russia has attacked Ukraine and Israel has attacked Gaza, and Iran is a staunch supporter of the Resistance Front, it is natural for the containment system to require that Iran possess nuclear bombs. However, whether Iran declares it is another matter.”
The conservative politician, hailing from Isfahan Province, representing a district close to the Natanz nuclear facility, is a trusted regime figure, because he was allowed to run and win in the tightly orchestrated March parliamentary elections.
Ardestani, 63, has served in the government in various capacities since his youth from the early 1980s, and was a close ally of former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. It is not clear if he is a member of the hardliner Paydari party, dominating the newly elected parliament, but he also served a four-year term from 2012-2016 as an Ahmadinejad supporter. He is known as a foreign policy expert who managed foreign students sent abroad by the government.
On Thursday, Kamal Kharrazi was quoted by the semi official ISNA news website as saying, “If they [Israel] dare to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities, our level of deterrence will change. We have experienced deterrence at the conventional level so far. If they intend to strike Iran’s nuclear capabilities, naturally, it could lead to a change in Iran’s nuclear doctrine.”
Kharrazi’s statement seemed designed to be a deterrence to any Israeli plans to attack its nuclear facilities. Although he also threatened a change of doctrine if Iran’s existence is threatened, any Israeli attack will most likely be aimed at valuable strategic targets, not at obliterating Iran. It is possible that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s advisor was referring to possible Israeli threats against the regime and its leaders, not the existence of Iran as a country.
On April 18, a senior IRGC commander had also warned that Tehran could change its nuclear policies if Israel continues to threaten to attack Iran’s nuclear sites.
“If the fake Zionist regime wants to use the threat of attacking nuclear sites to put pressure on Iran, it is possible and conceivable for the Islamic Republic to revise its nuclear doctrine and policies, and deviate from its past declared considerations,” said Ahmad Haghtalab, who oversees the security of Iran’s nuclear sites.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 21 2024 6:18 utc | 130

#rumors
Our source reports that the situation in the Kharkov region is really sad for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
As we wrote earlier, the Bankova situation was actually slowed down thanks to the redeployed units and the huge amount of equipment that was accumulated for the future offensive. The Russian Armed Forces also slowed down Volchansk, which will soon be surrendered.
Then the Russians can go all the way to the settlement of Pechenegs, creating a huge sleeve, which they will then begin to close, heading towards Kupyansk.
If they succeed, then the Ukrainian Armed Forces may find themselves in the biggest cauldron in the entire history of the conflict.
That is why the situation in the Kharkov region has a huge impact on the future of the entire Ukrainian crisis.

Posted by: unimperator | May 21 2024 6:32 utc | 131

Postado por: Jake Blanchard | 21 de maio de 2024 5:16 UTC | 128
Jake Blanchard and other barflies:
Now, after what happened during Putin’s visit to China, everyone wants to negotiate.
At the beginning, NATO’s bet was sanctions (economic war). It didn’t work out at first.
Then NATO tightened its grip and gave it time. She didn’t work out again.
But as hope dies last, NATO hoped that ONE DAY Russia would weaken economically…
Now, after everyone sees the brotherhood of China and Russia, the hope of NATO has died.
NATO wants to negotiate, to AVOID A BIGGER AND WORSE DEFEAT. Just for that. There is no other reason.
Russia wants to negotiate because it is a fratricidal war; every Russian death or Ukrainian death is a blow to Russia.

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 6:32 utc | 132

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 21 2024 0:38 utc | 94 in reply to Posted by: SergeT | May 20 2024 17:39 utc | 14
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I bet SergeT never heard of loopholes or SergeT’s former law school never thaught their students the same.

Posted by: AI | May 21 2024 6:33 utc | 133

Posted by: HERMIUS | May 21 2024 3:33 utc | 110
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It’s a pseudoconference.

Posted by: AI | May 21 2024 6:50 utc | 134

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 4:58 utc | 127

……………………………
Right now, the West is eager for an “elegant” “conciliatory” “humanitarian” agreement… Macron even invited Russia to celebrate D-Day (I saw it on RT in English a couple of days ago and I even put the link here on MoA).

there is currently NO such invitation !!! and certainly not from macron
https://www.swentr.site/news/597825-macron-normandy-us-putin/ —-> this is RT , maybe even your source ; from 18 May, 2024
“…The French organizers, Liberation Mission, said last month that they wanted Moscow to take part in the event marking 80 years since the June 6, 1944 Allied operation in Normandy. They clarified that a Russian representative, but not President Vladimir Putin, will be invited to take part in the ceremony…”

Posted by: ghiwen | May 21 2024 7:03 utc | 135

Posted by: unimperator | May 21 2024 4:28 utc | 124
Thanks.
Based on this simple, concise and accurate report of yours, we can say that the war is over! Thank God!
Once the buffer zone is complete, the next step will be the decapitation of Z and his cronies and acolytes.

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 7:07 utc | 136

📋🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Report for the Morning of 21 May 2024; pub. 06:57📍
🔹In the #Kharkov direction, the RFAF have advanced from 100 to 350 m deep in #Volchansk. The buildings of the aggregate plant were taken under control, and the battle is taking place in the centre of the town. In the #Liptsy section, our assault units improved the situation, repulsed the enemy counterattack and advanced from 300 to 450 m. The enemy claimed that only during the day by the evening of 20 May the Russian Aerospace Forces hit #Liptsy with 20 FABs with UMPC. There is heavy fighting, the enemy is bringing in reserves.
🔹In the #Seversk sector, the successful actions of the Russian Army in #Belogorovka (#LPR) to take the enemy strongholds became a reason for a hasty report on the capture of #Belogorovka, which is still too early to talk about (⭐️Note: RF MoD claimed again the capture, as for #Rabotino and…).
🔹In #ChasovYar direction, on the southern flank, the zone of control in the forest area of the reserve has been extended. In the eastern microdistrict of the town our troops are advancing along Zelenaya Street.
🔹In the #SouthDonetsk direction, our troops have occupied the eastern part of #Paraskoviyevka (west of #Novomikhaylovka) over the last days. Fighting continues in #Krasnogorovka.
🔹On the #Zaporozhye front, the enemy recognises the advance of our forces southeast of #Rabotino in an area up to 3.5 km wide by up to 1 km deep. West of #Verbovoye the RFAF also have success in advancing.
🔹In the #Kherson direction, our arriving paratrooper units are operating in difficult conditions on islands in the floodplain of the #Dnieper River. The RFAF have intensified their actions near the destroyed #Krynki. The frozen front may “come to life” in the short term.
💥The #Belgorod region continues to suffer from shelling. During the day reported strikes on #Tavolzhanka, #Arkhangelskoye, #Rzhevka and #Shebekino, #Bezymeno Grayvoro urban district, #Grafovka Krasnoyaruzsky district.
💥In the #Kursk region, the AFU hit #Gornal and #Guyevo, the Oleshnya Farm in the Sudzhansky district, the villages of #Gordeyevka and #Troitskoye in the Korenevsky district, the villages of #Yelizavetovka in the Glushkovsky district and #Milayevka in the Belovsky district. In the village of #Troitskoye, a house caught fire after the AFU dropped an explosive device. Explosive devices were dropped near the Zarya Farm, Glushkovsky district, in #Sudzha and near the Sudzha Checkpoint. Kamikaze drones attacked the Sudzha Checkpoint, the village of #Yelizavetovka and the village of #Krasnooktyabrsky in the Glushkovsky district and the village of #Gordeyevka.
🛡Electronic Warfare equipment suppressed AFU copters near #Yelizavetovka, Popovo-Lezhachi and #Tyotkino in the Glushkov district, #Kozino in the Rylsk district and Oleshnya Farm in the Suzhansky district. In #Akimovka and #Gorodishche of the Rylsk district, the drones used electronic warfare equipment and small arms.
💥In the #LPR, yesterday the AFU launched a missile strike on #Sverdlovsk, a fuel depot was damaged, and ignoring missile danger signals led to other serious consequences.
💥In the #DPR, Makeyevka was shelled from the AFU’s MLRS, and the enemy is hitting civilians in #Donetsk with drops from copters. Nine civilians were wounded over the day.
🎬KrasnyLiman direction – a tribe of wild Ukrainians built themselves a hut in the wrong place. Our men first lit a signal fire above their heads, and then knocked on the hut with something.

https://t.me/two_majors/24535

Posted by: Down South | May 21 2024 7:16 utc | 137

Posted by: ghiwen | May 21 2024 7:03 utc | 135
My source:
https://www.rt.com/news/597825-macron-normandy-us-putin/
In the text of the report there is information that the USA and UK were opposed.

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 7:20 utc | 138

Posted by: ghiwen | May 21 2024 7:03 utc | 135
Forgive me. I read the text again and there is no mention of Macron. Here is the opening paragraph:
The White House is “not thrilled” about France inviting Russia to take part in celebrations commemorating the anniversary of the World War II D-Day landings, Politico has reported, citing unnamed US officials.

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 7:29 utc | 139

/warble
=} Yes, it is English onomatopoeia for generic small-sized bird sounds. Tits is the vulgar way to refer to female human mammary glands, unless they are the shorthand reference to a class of small tiny birds, because English is a language of clarity. 😉 So to keep things clear I use the full English name of my classification: titmouse.
But when you become the story, then the story is not being served. 😉 So I fly away awaiting more sassy nicknames of Zelensky (and or Abbas). Keep the epithets coming!
/flies away

Posted by: titmouse | May 21 2024 7:33 utc | 140

@ titmouse
Mother tit is busily feeding her young ones in our garden, to near exhaustion. I add to feed them as long as I have Vogelfutter.
For Spitzname, I go with Alex from the Duran, Elensky! As a german it sounds like Elendsky. Elend meaning misery.

Posted by: Aurora | May 21 2024 9:28 utc | 141

@ titmouse
Mother tit is busily feeding her young ones in our garden, to near exhaustion. I add to feed them as long as I have Vogelfutter.
For Spitzname, I go with Alex from the Duran, Elensky! As a german it sounds like Elendsky. Elend meaning misery.

Posted by: Aurora | May 21 2024 9:28 utc | 142

Sorry for the double post, small phone, big fingers;-)

Posted by: Aurora | May 21 2024 9:36 utc | 143

and our favourite foreign minister from germany arrived in kiev to show her unvavering support already. lets see how many more eu clowns are going to support nazism.

Posted by: Justpassinby | May 21 2024 9:40 utc | 144

I was thinking Cheep Cheep was about the Road Runner vs Coyote cartoon, but recall that is Meep Meep and not Cheep Cheep. So, Cheep Cheep must be a British reference of some sort, perhaps Middle of the Road group? Beats me.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | May 21 2024 9:53 utc | 145

Elber,
Not everyone wants to negotiate. Nukland was making a press comment that Ukraine should use US supplied weapons against Russian homeland (pre-2014). So, the neocons are more than willing to risk escalation failing to realize that Russia has escalatory dominance in all aspects. Perhaps we will see something like using missiles to destroy all US bases in Syria might be a good response to an attack on Russia. My personal hope is they begin with shooting down AWACS and MQ reapers but that might be a second instance response. A third instance might require destroying the Aegis systems in Poland and Romania as proof that US systems can’t intercept Russian hypersonic missiles of any type. A 4th instance would require escalation using a tactical nuke against a major target such as Ramstein. This is how it will go and what Russia has promised yet the nutcases in the US want to double dare Russia.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | May 21 2024 10:00 utc | 146

I see Finland is considering “carefully” re-opening the border to Russia. I feel sorry for the local population, but I think Russia should “carefully” consider keeping them closed, to all except family. Let Finland rot in its own stupidity and wokeness.
Posted by: g wiltek | May 21 2024 5:57 utc | 129
Hear, hear!

Posted by: SergeT | May 21 2024 10:47 utc | 147

Perhaps we will see something like using missiles to destroy all US bases in Syria might be a good response to an attack on Russia. My personal hope is they begin with shooting down AWACS and MQ reapers but that might be a second instance response
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | May 21 2024 10:00 utc | 146
The “response” will be zero, as it was in the past with nato expansion, missile placements, HMS Defender, the plane shot down by Turkey, the chemical weapons used in Donbass even these days, attacks on npps, Nordstream etc. You are looking at a third world level “response”, crying at UN for help which is all they do because they have no leverage, no army, no money to apply sanctions on nato countries. Just an example: they’re directly selling resources to Spain, Spain gives weapons and money to Zeli. In Syria they’re so outnumbered in case of an attack, it makes the 5 soldiers of the smo look like ww2 action. Did you see the French president of Georgia asking the Macaron to send soldiers to restore order in the country? Did you see French missiles striking civilian targets a few days ago? If you’re waiting for a “response”, you’ll be disappointed.

Posted by: rk | May 21 2024 11:15 utc | 148

HMS Defender
Posted by: rk | May 21 2024 11:15 utc | 148

i remember that ship backing off heroically after some potshots were fired in its general direction.

Posted by: Justpassinby | May 21 2024 11:41 utc | 149

If you’re waiting for a “response”, you’ll be disappointed.
Posted by: rk | May 21 2024 11:15 utc | 148
It would be all or nothing.
On Feb 21, 2022, it seemed like all Russia would ever do about minsk ii violations was cry to the UN about it.
Invading Ukraine, big surprise. Don’t even try to tell me in 2021 you thought Russia ever would. Starting direct war with NATO would be an even bigger surprise, but I wouldn’t bet my life on it.
Hence I live in the mountains now, far from any nuclear target

Posted by: UWDude | May 21 2024 12:01 utc | 150

What source material I’ve very wrongly attributed to M. K. BHADRAKUMAR at Indian Punchline, and why, I currently have no idea. I even remember reading the Indian Punchline article but it has the opposite meaning.
I am completely reduced, I do apologise, to all concerned.
Posted by: anon2020 | May 20 2024 20:01 utc | 45
Thank you so much for clearing that up, anon2020! I was totally perplexed when reading that and even went to his blog to search for it…

Posted by: Zet | May 21 2024 13:24 utc | 151

For the NAFO troll who simply cannot wrap his head around the bear trap the collective West have shoved their wee dicks into, you can have your fantasies but not when they cross into claims a out actual reality. B said no such thing when the toy drone exploded above the Kremlin. Shadowbanned, someone who you sound very much like only much less knowledgeable, did however cry how weak the Kremlin looked and that a nuclear response was the only feasible option.
I know the actual circumstances are beyond you, but to reiterate, the docuhebag incompetent and incredibly hubristic West thought using Ukraine they were gonna finally get to fuck some sweet pussy labeled ‘Russia’.
Too late did they realize the pussy is in fact a steel jawed bear trap. Putin can slow roll this sucker for a long time while the pain for the West will only grow. Or did you think all the inflation was circumstantial? 1 trillion new debt every 100 days.
Tick tock.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 21 2024 13:27 utc | 152

@titmouse | Tue, 21 May 2024 02:20:00 GMT | 101
I shall offer the hugely insulting Comedy Hitler.

Posted by: persiflo | May 21 2024 13:33 utc | 153

Russia wants to negotiate because it is a fratricidal war; every Russian death or Ukrainian death is a blow to Russia.
Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 6:32 utc | 132

By this measure I would ask a question: is the immense economic and social crisis..with rampant drug addiction, homelessness and crime..is every overdose a blow to Maerica in this same way? If so, seems even with the war Russia is winning on this measure too…
I would argue Russia is immeasurably strengthened by the idiocy of the West.
I was starting to go point by point but in essence ..between internal unity, unification of society against an external aggressor, military reorganization and modernization, economic trade route hardening and reordering, now veteran forces and officer class, new military technologies and doctrines and exposure to NATO methodology…Russia is far more formidable now than a few years ago.
Something the dipshits in the West who failed upwards their entire lives are starting to understand.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 21 2024 14:10 utc | 154

General Christopher Cavoli, stated that “‘Russia does not have sufficient forces on the ground to make a major breakthrough in Ukraine after launching its offensive in the Kharkhov region…More to the point they don’t have the skill and the ability to do it.”

Exhibit 103838383920 of cosmic level hubris and incompetence. I give you NATO ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 21 2024 14:17 utc | 155

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 21 2024 14:10 utc | 154
Your post gives me a counterpoint; however, by arguing, you confirm my point of view that the continuation of this war is a bad deal for the West.
Are they believing their own propaganda!? How crazy!
I’ll make it very clear and you can charge me in the future:
The continuation of this war is a bad deal for the West, IN ALL ASPECTS!

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 15:14 utc | 156

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 21 2024 14:17 utc | 155
So, you’ve just shown proof that they’re believing their own propaganda.
You talk about incompetence and arrogance on a cosmic level. Pepe Escobar is a little more rhetorical: “this is incompetence and arrogance on an intergalactic level!”

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 15:38 utc | 157

IMO, the West is scared-to-death to negotiate with Russia, just are they’re scared to compete with China.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 21 2024 3:49 utc | 115
The problem with western politicians is they have 2 concerns that override every other decision or action they take. 1. Getting elected and 2. getting re-elected. If negotiating with Russia would get them elected or re-elected they’d be at the table with bells on however even talking about negotiating with Russia will mean their prime campaign contributers will cut them off so it’ll never happen.

Posted by: HB_Norica | May 21 2024 16:02 utc | 158

Elber I agree with you entirely and have been saying this for some time. If my pedestrian unconnected self can see this, what the fuck is wrong with the strategic braintrust of the West?
The last 3 decades of fighting counterinsurgency while the world’s other major powers pushed back minimally at best have caused a cancerous imbecility to metastasize in Western intellectuals aligned with.. perhaps I should say ensconced..in the halls of power.
The term I have become fond of using in my diatribe-esque way is ‘high on their own supply’ re:propaganda.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 21 2024 16:21 utc | 159

Dear barflies:
I notice a silence in the bar; It’s like we’re exhausted. I’m going to take this opportunity to vent.
When I was about fifteen years old, I came across a Frenchman in my village on the coast of northeastern Brazil who was trying to cure himself of depression. At that time I spoke French fluently and loved topics related to “World War II” (as we call it here in the West). Well then. Once, I decided to talk about Vichy France. So the citoyen asked me never to bring up that subject again, because he was there to be cured and not to die once and for all. So, the time will come when people will run away if someone talks about Scholz’s Germany, Ursula von der Leyen’s European Union, Biden’s America…
Concluding
Shakespeare, Copernicus, Da Vinci, Newton, Galileo… in short, it’s an immeasurable list. The fact is that it is absolutely inconceivable that the continent of so many geniuses of humanity is the birthplace of people as idiotic as the current European leaders!

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 16:36 utc | 160

@ Elber, §160:
Well said.

Posted by: John Marks | May 21 2024 18:14 utc | 161

b asked “do people still fall for this?”
Yes, yes they do. People who get their news from newspapers or networks think that they are getting actual news. A bunch of substacks, podcasts, and supscription news sites peddle this pablum as if it were a cut above the standard news fare, with extra depth, details, and incites. Lastly, there are some folks that decided early on that the US is the good guy and all who oppose the US are bad guys. For them no reasoning of any kind occurs, only rationalizing.
Luckily, trust in the government and the media is extremely low and falling fast. The situation won’t last much longer. However, the transition to whatever comes next is likely to be messy.

Posted by: team10tim | May 21 2024 18:25 utc | 162

I see Finland is considering “carefully” re-opening the border to Russia. I feel sorry for the local population, but I think Russia should “carefully” consider keeping them closed, to all except family. Let Finland rot in its own stupidity and wokeness.

Posted by: g wiltek | May 21 2024 5:57 utc | 129
Hear, hear!

Posted by: SergeT | May 21 2024 10:47 utc | 147
I would rather let Russia decide on what to do on its own turf and leave it at that. Dunno about you, but I never chalked Russia to be anywhere near as spiteful as the USA and/or Israel.

Posted by: joey_n | May 21 2024 20:50 utc | 163

I see Finland is considering “carefully” re-opening the border to Russia. I feel sorry for the local population, but I think Russia should “carefully” consider keeping them closed, to all except family. Let Finland rot in its own stupidity and wokeness.
Posted by: g wiltek | May 21 2024 5:57 utc | 129
Europe has outsourced all production that did not generate enough returns for its billionaires to China. And now, at the instigation of their best friends in the USA, they have not only lost the cheap raw materials from Russia but are also in the process of ruining trade with China. Yes, if you really want to die, then you have to do it like that.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | May 21 2024 21:50 utc | 164

/cheep
Thank you aurora at 142, I really do like that Elendsky having double entendre in German. It’s true, there are language translation issues where some ideas just make better puns and irony in one and doesn’t carry over. So your idea is great, every language needs to come up with their own epithet! =+)
If I were to use English and try a pun, I’d be tempted to merge “Bell End” (meaning idiot, loser, lower percentile) and creat BellEndsky! ^.^
And thank you, persiflo at 153, about Comedy Hitler. Hitler has almost wore out its punch what with so many people calling everyone Hitler, including the over-abundance of Trump epithets in that vein (like Cheeto Hitler, cheeto being a cheesy puff snack). But I now think of the movie “The Producers” with Zero Mostel, Gene Wilder, and had Dick Shawn playing a hippie who then gets the lead role for ‘Springtime for Hitler’. Maybe calling Zelensky Dick Shawn’s Hitler may be too obscure a reference, but I like the idea.
Maybe “Springtime for Elensky and The Ukraine” could be a parody song! =}
/cheep cheep cheep ^.^

Posted by: titmouse | May 21 2024 22:24 utc | 165

TURTLE TANKS
Do any barflies have information on these? Sort of armour. Numbers. Effectiveness. Whatever. I just read a piece by military summary (Dima?) where he showed a quick vid claiming to be of a turtle tanks returning unscathed after attack by 6 or 8 drones. I find this hard to believe and the vid didn’t show even one hit and I haven’t seen any vids that do.
Seems to me that the light masking armour – some of which seems to be merely corrugated iron – would be stripped away in large chunks by a drone RPG exposing areas of the tank then for direct attack. Hence I see them as being effective to some extent but that’s all.
And secondly does anyone know of a venue for raising such questions? This ‘bar-room’ is about the best I know, that’s why I post this. But it is clearly not built for the purpose. Hard to pursue a thread or backtrack on one and so on. With that in mind and for want of better there is http://ukrainehonesty.com/forum/index.php could be used (currently it is not, it’s empty). But a currently active venue of quality would be great. Anyone?

Posted by: arthur brogard | May 21 2024 22:54 utc | 166

@ Posted by: titmouse | May 21 2024 22:24 utc | 165
Lol. I think we should have a list of names that the snot coloured T-shirt wearer could use in his new identity as a Nazi saved by his western puppet masters.
I’ll add given that he isn’t the tallest guy in any room – Mr ‘Little’ Richard Potato.
Tiny Dick Tatter, to his mates.
I’ll get my coat…

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 22 2024 0:17 utc | 167

TG | May 20 2024 16:51 utc | 8
*** Zelensky … reality of what he has done to his nation sets in.***
How so?
As far as is known, he probably didn’t start the Gaza war.

Posted by: Cynic | May 22 2024 1:41 utc | 168

Elber | May 21 2024 4:58 utc | 127
***… Macron even invited Russia to celebrate D-Day ***
A trap — the slimy little shit just wants to get present-day propaganda film footage of Russia “celebrating” the US invasion and occupation of Europe.

Posted by: Cynic | May 22 2024 2:16 utc | 169

arthur brogard@166….the kit supplied is lacking, no shortage of field reports of people complaining, great example, citizens buying kit for front line guys. Any tanker asking for up-armoured tanks is looking at years of design and review, by then, front line tanker is dead.
In field we’d call it ‘jerry riggin’ kids today call them ‘hacks’ anything to save your life. The good thing for the front line tankers is there is no shortage of scrap to weld to your tank. It’s a fix the guys themselves are using, kudos to the officers that see the merit of self protection.
Anything that saves your life, and your comrades lives is very effective, even if it just buys time to get out of the vehicle and run away. It’s not perfect but as more show up at the LOCC hats off to those guys.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 22 2024 13:15 utc | 170

arthur brogard@166….the kit supplied is lacking, no shortage of field reports of people complaining, great example, citizens buying kit for front line guys. Any tanker asking for up-armoured tanks is looking at years of design and review, by then, front line tanker is dead.
In field we’d call it ‘jerry riggin’ kids today call them ‘hacks’ anything to save your life. The good thing for the front line tankers is there is no shortage of scrap to weld to your tank. It’s a fix the guys themselves are using, kudos to the officers that see the merit of self protection.
Anything that saves your life, and your comrades lives is very effective, even if it just buys time to get out of the vehicle and run away. It’s not perfect but as more show up at the LOCC hats off to those guys.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 22 2024 13:15 utc | 171

“Anyone else see that posted on telegram?”
Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 3:46 utc | 113
I saw that too, but I can’t find where. I did see the below reported, which seems more tough-talk than anything else.
On the 9th May, it was reported on HamasHezbollah telegram channel that former foreign minister of Iran, Kamal Kharrazi, said that if Iran’s existence was threatened they would alter their nuclear doctrine. He re-iterated that Iran had already said that it had the ability to build nuclear weapons.
If I find any more specific information, I’ll make sure I post it before I misplace it.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 22 2024 16:59 utc | 172

Ukraine continues to defy all expectations of its collapse and effectively fight back against Russia. According to the LordofWar telegram channel :

“The Ukrainian Armed Forces managed to stabilize the situation on the Kharkov front, where the pressure from Russian troops is still significant
The Russian Armed Forces continue their attrition and tactical offensive in the Chasov Yar and Orekhovo sectors and continue their offensive towards Svatovo and Ocheritino.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces have success in UAV strikes against rear targets on Russian territory. They hit targets near Moscow and St. Petersburg. Regular attacks are also carried out on the Black Sea Fleet and targets in Crimea”

Posted by: bored | May 22 2024 20:08 utc | 173