Ukraine Open Thread 2024-145

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May 20, 2024

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine.

The Economist wants us to know that Volodymyr Zelensky’s presidential term expires on May 20th.

I am sure that Russia will act accordingly.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Posted by b on May 20, 2024 at 16:11 UTC | Permalink

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Since he now becomes a private citizen, I suppose he will be handed a military service summon?

Posted by: Norwegian | May 20 2024 16:21 utc | 1

The Economist, where the articles don’t have bylines because they are ashamed of what they write.

Posted by: too scents | May 20 2024 16:22 utc | 2

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/53630
Showing a tos heavy flamethrower strike on chasov yar.
You can clearly see the scale of the buildings to the size of explosions as well as the size the blast wave.
Seems to be infra red so at night presumably. After the blast there’s a lot of gray on the ground. Debris from the buildings?
Finally this is how the mechanics of the the Russian “special operation”. Ukraine fortifies chasov yar, Russian gains stop, then this happens.
Demilitarization.
Also there were actual Nazis in those buildings presumably they are “denazified”

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 20 2024 16:23 utc | 3

https://t.me/intelslava/60661
Ukrainians demand that Zelensky be served with a subpoena, since he is no longer a legitimate president.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 16:34 utc | 4

It would be funny if Zelensky got conscripted. I mean he can hold a gun and is unemployed with no critical labour skills.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 20 2024 16:36 utc | 5

Rolled over from the previous thread, contains a request for any informative links on Arestovich (not the puff piece rubbish that is the contemporary norm).
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/111034
(Nuland) looks more like Hillary Clinton everyday.
Posted by: Bemildred | May 20 2024 12:07 utc | 177
That’s an interesting observation.
I found Nuland’s sudden exclusion from the Ukraine project a bit mysterious and wondered at the time if it was a cynical ploy to get her out of the way of any flying Ukraine shit in order to preserve her as a future asset. The Ukraine battle damage seems to be baked in so her turning over a new leaf for post-SMO operations was plausible.
Now, in quick succession, we’ve had MK Bhadrakumar‘s ridiculous lie of Nuland as a “moderate”, followed by an equally ridiculous softball piece on Nuland in Politico. Excruciating PR hogwash but also datapoints that speak of favours being called in on her behalf. Perhaps she’s being “groomed”, as they say, for an active role in the longer game of Ukraine.
Further to @paddy with the Saigon reference, she’s not the only one who seems to have benefitted from the PR equivalent of being hastily airlifted off an Embassy roof.
Arestovich was a big cheese in the Ukrainian pantomime, then was named by a Ukrainian POW as having personally ordered that snuff movies be made of captured Russian soldier in order to be used is propaganda operations (Arestovich was previously quoted speaking approvingly of the ISIS media strategy of extreme horror imagery), the facility holding that prisoner was attacked with HIMARS, Arestovich was very shortly ejected from the governing circle and toured Israel, is now quoted approvingly as a kind of poacher-turned-gamekeeper figure. (eg. https://t.me/llordofwar/351229 “🇺🇦Arestovich: the end is coming, Ukraine turned out to be a failed project ….”). I cannot object strongly enough to this casual rehabilitation of Arestovich and ask that anyone with informative links on him post them here (I didn’t save the ones I had).
Then there is Danilov, who suddenly, in the immediate aftermath of the Crocus Hall attack (22nd March), was first rumoured to be leaving as ambassador to Norway but was eventually dispatched as ambassador to Moldova (29th March). Malyuk attempted to camouflaged this whole process by making one extremely provocative and self-incriminating remark after another, from which I would deduce that, in the matter of the Crocus Hall attack, Danilov’s guilt is substantial.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 20 2024 16:49 utc | 6

norwegian @ 1: medvedev suggested what he thought he may look forward to.

Posted by: emersonreturn | May 20 2024 16:50 utc | 7

Certainly Zelensky has been a disaster for Ukraine. If just a few years ago he had told Russia ‘OK sure we’ll be neutral we won’t join NATO now just go away (and keep subsidizing our gas bills)’ Ukrainians could have gone on at least living their lives, having a beer with friends, raising families, etc. Now Ukraine is being used up by the West as a battering ram against Russia, and if something called Ukraine still exists down the road it will be a devastated truncated husk.
Certainly the western elites behind all this are evil and corrupt, but is Zelensky? If not, he will go down with the ship and become a broken man as the reality of what he has done to his nation sets in. If yes, he will take a few billion dollars and flee to live in luxury in one of his villas in Florida (or wherever) while loudly screaming that he was let down by his ‘allies’ but off-camera smiling and living the good life. I guess that, before too long, we will find out what Zelensky really is.

Posted by: TG | May 20 2024 16:51 utc | 8

I really doubt he will go anywhere.

Posted by: lester | May 20 2024 16:52 utc | 9

Nuland just popped back in with a new video demanding strikes on Russian targets.
They must be getting really into a deranged mental state now, like Martyanov said.

Posted by: unimperator | May 20 2024 17:19 utc | 10

If you ride a tiger, the challenge is how to ever get off. He’s got nowhere else to go.
The bigger question is, do any Western leaders show up and risk being within a hundred feet of him. Probably they just send messages of support. Like he had Ebola or something.
The Military Correspondent channel claims Ukr. cities are becoming ghost towns. Guys don’t wanna be caught on the street. No wonder they didn’t build out defensive lines. You’ll get kidnapped and killed.

Posted by: Eighthman | May 20 2024 17:20 utc | 11

The Economist clearly is trying to tell the world something.
By the way, on the successes of the Russian Forces against the enemy’s ukrainian drones. Thermal imagers with screens mounted on small arms help Russian fighters at night to destroy effectively Ukrainian Baba Yaga drones flying through Starlink that evade jamming. According to the CEO of Laboratory PPSh, “That is why thermal imaging sights with screens really help fighters very much: they mount them on assault rifles and PKMs [upgraded Kalashnikov machine-guns] and install them on quad bikes to shoot drones down,” the chief executive said.

Posted by: AI | May 20 2024 17:23 utc | 12

Posted by: anon2020 | May 20 2024 16:49 utc | 6
Arestovich also in early 2023 interview said that Ukraine’s ATO operation was completely illegal in any sense of Ukrainian or international law, saying the law doesn’t explain how an ATO operation entails bombing towns and cities with Grad rockets, artillery and bombs. Then he said every Ukrainian soldier participating in the ATO was a criminal.

Posted by: unimperator | May 20 2024 17:23 utc | 13

As a former lawyer, I am not sure Zelensky lost legitimacy. As a general rule, we follow the principle of continuity of power, that is, at any moment of time there must be the head of the state. Even though there are many examples to the contrary, this is how the Ukrainian constitution should be interpreted.
As far as I am aware the term “legitimacy” has two meanings: one is the ability to make certain legal orders and the second is the acceptance of such orders by general public. I think Zelensky may have problems with the second.
What I don’t understand, however, is why Zelensky’s office did not apply to the Constitutional Court of Ukraine to give an official clarification and remove the uncertainty.

Posted by: SergeT | May 20 2024 17:39 utc | 14

@14 serget
Re: Legitimacy
Your probably right, he won’t be conscripted. Although if he volunteered I’d give him props.
I think in the final analysis his value of being alive might be less than his value to dead to many of the groups interested in him.
That is to say Russia and the US both might benefit from a shakeup. At any rate it’s not immediately changing but I’ll be looking for clues to shifts in value alive to dead ratio.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 20 2024 17:52 utc | 15

(…) What I don’t understand, however, is why Zelensky’s office did not apply to the Constitutional Court of Ukraine to give an official clarification and remove the uncertainty.
Posted by: SergeT | May 20 2024 17:39 utc | 14
Because he was assured by his “backers” that it was just a small detail, that they will provide some legal trick to ensure he stays in power, and he was dumb enough to believe it ?
Now, let’s see his face tomorrow, if the MSM main titles echo the Economist and and tell the sheeple he has “no more legitimacy”.
LoL.

Posted by: Pierrot | May 20 2024 17:53 utc | 16

Posted by: SergeT | May 20 2024 17:39 utc | 14
I suspect someone may have asked the Constitutional Court on an unofficial basis what they might say if “a friend” were to ask for official clarification on Zelensky’s position after 20th May, and the Court suggested that said person’s “friend” might not like the answer, so they didn’t ask.

Posted by: Aelfsige | May 20 2024 17:55 utc | 17

Zelensky should be conscripted. He’s been dressed for the part for a long time.

Posted by: ian | May 20 2024 17:57 utc | 18

I guess that, before too long, we will find out what Zelensky really is.
Posted by: TG | May 20 2024 16:51 utc | 8
It won’t have anything to do with his goodness. Ultimately, what matters is his worth to the oligarchs funding him from abroad. If that is relatively limited, he can look forward to being “martyred” in horrible fashion. If, as I think, he has too much blackmail on people to be easily rubbed out, he will be a pathetic but wealthy figure living with his parents in Tel Aviv. Life finds a way.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | May 20 2024 18:01 utc | 19

What I don’t understand, however, is why Zelensky’s office did not apply to the Constitutional Court of Ukraine to give an official clarification and remove the uncertainty.

Posted by: SergeT | May 20 2024 17:39 utc | 14
There’s been friction in the relationship between the Presidential Office and the Constitutional Court ever since the Court ruled that a proposed tightening of anti-corruption legislation was unconstitutional. This was some time ago.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 18:05 utc | 20

Simplicius latest also addresses the significance of this date …
… + NYT, Washington Post, Unelected power of Yermak, the puppet master, etc
And President Putin bringing up issue of ‘legitimacy’ re any ‘signed’ docs etc
# Personally, I’m sick-sh1t of the quislingesque puppet’s whining and croaking, his puppet master, their big war-mongering immoral master, and the vapid European vassal leadership which makes Abbas look like a statesman in comparison ….
…. pardon this little rant – time for a song to recover …
Moving Hearts – Hiroshima Nagasaki Russian Roulette
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAPXTVotR4w [4 mins 30 secs]

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 20 2024 18:12 utc | 21

Ce Zelinsky est un triste personnage manipulé par les usa et qui a mené son pays à la destrucation et à la ruine. Il devrait être pendu par les testicules jusqu à ce que mort s ensuive et cela en compagnie de sa copine Macron.

Posted by: Dubourg | May 20 2024 18:13 utc | 22

Posted by: Dubourg | May 20 2024 18:13 utc | 23

If, as I think, he has too much blackmail on people to be easily rubbed out

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | May 20 2024 18:01 utc | 19
Yes, I think he knows where some bodies are buried, both literally and figuratively. He might even have chapter and verse on the still-simmering potato that is Burisma.
On the other hand, if he hasn’t taken out that kind of “insurance” then he’s a bigger fool than he looks (hard, I know!) and deserves whatever is dished out to him.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 18:16 utc | 24

Nuland asking for airstrikes on Russian targets is a clear and present sign that the Ukrainian Nazi regime of her own making is about to collapse like the “house of cards”.
Desperation is leaking out everywhere in this scheme hatched by the Obama regime under Hillary, Blinken-sky, Nuland, Sherman and company.
As the UFA front continues to collapse before our eyes, and the entire power and ng grid is destroyed, one must be prepared for the inevitable panic in NATO and US and the UK and the EU.
The pressure to save the puppet regime in Kieve will now build, insert NATO troops, declare a no fly zone, declare a “safe” zone, raid Crimea will all be banteed about every night on the MSM…….
This will be the most dangerous period, where unhinged Western leaders could make some very poor decisions, and in the process start WWIII….stay tuned…..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | May 20 2024 18:27 utc | 25

On Zelensky’s inauguration a tv reporter said:
“After a landslide election victory with 73% of the vote, it could only go downhill for him.”
Boy was that reporter bang on, still Zelensky is now very rich, but will he live long enough to spend it.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 20 2024 18:30 utc | 26

On Medvedev and the end of country 404:
(a) “He spat on the Constitution of his ‘country,’ ignored the Constitutional Court, and did not even extend, but usurped the supreme power. He covered himself with an inarticulate declaration of the Verkhovna Rada on the abolition of presidential election in times of war,”.
(b) “Even if some compromise agreement is reached, we will not have full confidence in its fulfillment. I have said so many times. Any newly-minted Fuhrer’ of the Ukrainian Reich is capable of tearing it up at any moment for opportunistic reasons,”.
(c) “Kiev has been sustaining heavy casualties on the battlefield ever since its counteroffensive failed. It does not have a ghost of a chance to defeat Russia even if it fights until the last Ukrainian,” the Russian politician said.
He believes that “the population of a broken Ukraine realizes this only too well,” noting that Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky canceled the country’s presidential election knowing that he would likely “lose spectacularly.”
(d) “One way or the other, the decision on a peace treaty will be made not by [Ukrainian President Vladimir] Zelensky nor by a figurehead nominally replacing him. They will be overseen by those who supply the Kiev regime with weapons to continue the ‘eternal war.’ Let’s name them directly – the US and its Western allies,”
(e) After Zelensky’s office term expires on May 21 there might be “unrest in some social strata, which will be brutally suppressed.”
(f) He believes an assassination attempt on Zelensky similar to that “of the assassination attempt on Hitler staged by Stauffenberg in July 1944,” is within the realm of possibility. “Especially if some of Ukraine’s dissatisfied oligarchs decide to remove the crazy comedian and replace him with a more loyal figure,” he said. “However, it will change nothing either for the Ukrainians or for us,” he stressed. “Except perhaps if another comedian not bound by a personal ban on talks with Russia appears.”

Posted by: AI | May 20 2024 18:40 utc | 27

Posted by: Justpassinby | May 20 2024 18:52 utc | 28

Excellent current analysis @ Nima Dialig Works from Dmitry Orlov:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6P6i8XWHvb4
Highlights:
1) Goes into specifics on Defense Minister Belousov trajectory & goals.
2) States no “negotiation” possible as no trust, just full unconditional surrender will be possible. Russia in no hurry.
3) Gives analysis of China/Russia relations.
4) State May 20th doesn’t matter, as Ukraine has actually not had a legal, legitimate presidency since 2014 coup.
5) Gives very good insight regarding Israel conflict that I won’t elaborate on this thread.
Very good analysis and report.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 20 2024 18:58 utc | 29

Now, in quick succession, we’ve had MK Bhadrakumar‘s ridiculous lie of Nuland as a “moderate”
Posted by: anon2020 | May 20 2024 16:49 utc | 6
Could you please provide a link for this? Was it on his blog?

Posted by: Zet | May 20 2024 19:00 utc | 30

This seems to serve western interests – complicates any prospect of negotiations, the war must go on.

Posted by: jared | May 20 2024 19:02 utc | 31

When I read “what does that mean for his country ?” the country I think of is isreal.
Not only is that more his country than Ukraine is, the economist and jews worldwide only care about isreal and all other countries are wholly expendable without thought.
Also, jews like to do that.
“Our Democracy” always means “jewish rule”.
A threat to “Our Democracy”.
Fortifying “Our Democracy”.
Etc etc

Posted by: ryanggg | May 20 2024 19:05 utc | 32

I still remember b saying, over a year ago, when the Ukrops bombed the Kremlin, snap…now Z will be taken out.
OF course it didn’t happen. Everyone can make a bad call. But I don’t remember b revisiting it. Something happens on the net (seen the same thing with Sundance) where bloggers get a bunch of egoboo from the commentariat and then get brittle about admitting errors.
We’ve had similar stuff from commenters here also. Remember Zalushni being dead? Remember Z never going to return to Ukraine?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20 2024 19:08 utc | 33

I’m not sure how the Ukrop Constitution works, but in the US, any treaties must be authorized by legislature. (To be exact, President submits to Senate and 2/3 majority required as confirmation.) If the RFA really wants some sort of deal to have a bit more force, they could require the UKR legislature to approve it. (Of course countries can and do abrogate treaties still, even IF all perfectly approved.)
I’m sure Putin would much prefer Western assurances for a ceasefire or treaty or the like. But good luck getting it. The “to the last Ukrainian” West is not feeling anything like the pain Ukraine (or Russia) is.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20 2024 19:20 utc | 34

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20 2024 19:08 utc | 33
Well that’s a bit rich, coming from someone who bases all his territorial “analysis” on an amateur map-making trainspotter with dubious past acquaintances.
I’ve said before, you’re wasting your time getting bogged down in minutiae, blinding you to a wider perspective.
Incidentally, Zaluzhny seems to be keeping a remarkably low profile, considering his alleged appointment as Ambassador to London. Not seeing much in the way of public pronouncements or official Royal receptions at Buck House or Westminster.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 19:24 utc | 35

‘Zelensky a legitimate military target’ — Medvedev
The Ukrainian leader, whose term in office expires this week, has been deemed a “war criminal” by Russia, former President Dmitry Medvedev has said
I think it would be interesting if he were somehow captured….Garland Nixon refers to Zelensky as knowing where all the closeted skeletons are.
From today’s RT
https://www.rt.com/news/597938-zelensky-legitimate-military-target-medvedev/

Posted by: PassionateProgressiv | May 20 2024 19:27 utc | 36

When is the zee lint ski show being cancelled?

Posted by: Publius Flavius | May 20 2024 19:27 utc | 37

It would be funny if Zelensky got conscripted. I mean he can hold a gun and is unemployed with no critical labour skills.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 20 2024 16:36 utc | 5
And he could keep playing dress up like he is a soldier.

Posted by: UWDude | May 20 2024 19:29 utc | 38

Zelensky should be conscripted. He’s been dressed for the part for a long time.
Posted by: ian | May 20 2024 17:57 utc | 18
Sorry, ian beat me to it.

Posted by: UWDude | May 20 2024 19:30 utc | 39

Has there been any proof of life of Zaluzhny since February? “Appointed ambassador to UK” doesn’t mean anything. Is he even alive?

Posted by: Sentient | May 20 2024 19:39 utc | 40

@ Norwegian | May 20 2024 16:21 utc | 1
First pitch…and he hits a homer!

Posted by: despondent | May 20 2024 19:40 utc | 41

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20 2024 19:08 utc | 33
That time the firecracker exploded above the kremlin, I remember crying how it was only going to get worse, and that Moscow was getting ‘bombed daily now”, and it would only get worse.
Oh, and ZNPP was going to be taken, or bombed and false flagged, creating a nuclear meltdown causus beli for NATO to step in, and Putin didnt lift a finger.
It was very serious, and Putin did nothing. Now that moscow is in shambles, still smoking from all the damage it has sustained, and the Donbass people mutating from the ZNPP meltdown, I see how I should have listened to those dire warnings.
Oh Putin the traitor! How can the sheeple not see?

Posted by: UWDude | May 20 2024 19:46 utc | 42

“Excellent current analysis @ Nima Dialig Works from Dmitry Orlov”
He is a very lucid guy; but even the lucid ones sometimes get confused, and at the end of the interview he gets confused and you can see that he doesn’t understand the issue.

Posted by: Simon | May 20 2024 19:51 utc | 43

Russia destroys 500,000 Ukrainians, 20,000 drones and missiles, 10,000 tanks vehicles etc, takes “only” 25% of Ukraine….. “muh attrition”.
Less than 100 civilians killed in Russia last year… “Putin now allows devastating strikes deep into Russia, he must do something to stop it!!!”

Posted by: UWDude | May 20 2024 19:55 utc | 44

Could you please provide a link for this? Was it on his blog?
Posted by: Zet | May 20 2024 19:00 utc | 30
I thought the article was provided in an “MoA Week In Review” but looking back through those it seems that it was provided by “james” in this review: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/02/the-moa-week-in-review-ot-2024-039.html
This is the article but the most relevant quote has absolutely the opposite meaning to what I claimed and there is no use the word “moderate” in the text (which I thought it did).
(Feb 4) https://www.indianpunchline.com/nuland-leaves-sense-of-foreboding-in-kiev/

… The strategy to degrade the Ukrainian military in the meat grinder was highly successful, but going forward, in reality, the US-led western alliance, especially key functionaries like Nuland (an ex-ambassador to NATO) with a long record of being Russophobic, are showing no signs of attrition. …

What source material I’ve very wrongly attributed to M. K. BHADRAKUMAR at Indian Punchline, and why, I currently have no idea. I even remember reading the Indian Punchline article but it has the opposite meaning.
I am completely reduced, I do apologise, to all concerned.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 20 2024 20:01 utc | 45

I highly doubt there will be any kind of disturbance in the entrenched Ukrainian bureaucracy and government for the next six months to a year, at least because of Z’s illegitimacy.
First, those who want power but don’t have it have to realize there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
Second, attrition needs to continue to pile up the war weariness on all those not in power. Those in power will never suffer war weariness, because they know losing means the end of their power.
Thirdly, the masses, their votes etc never meant anything anyway, and even if there were an election, I am sure Z would win. Most opposition parties have already neen banned, and most opposition populace left the country.
There is the small chance that Z gets the Ngô Đình Diệm treatment, but only of there is somebody better at pitching weapon sales via begging, or NATO thinks anybody would be better than him.

Posted by: UWDude | May 20 2024 20:12 utc | 46

We all make mistakes. Love you still!

Posted by: Avtonom | May 20 2024 20:22 utc | 47

We all make mistakes. Love you still!

Posted by: Avtonom | May 20 2024 20:22 utc | 48

RT: Peaceful settlement still possible in Ukraine – Moscow
Is Russia begging for negotiations?
How to interpret this otherwise?

Posted by: vargas | May 20 2024 21:40 utc | 49

China sells 53 billion usa bonds in Q1 . Largest dump in history. BRICS comes into play. Guess that threatening war with your biggest debt holder wasn’t a smart idea.
Same as usa encouraging and giving the weapons to Ukraine to hit oil refineries. Reduced output by 14% but raised prices well above the G7 cap. The damage takes only a few months to repair, whilst claiming it urges not to attack russian territory it also doubles up. By saying it wants to stop revenue that funds the war. Luckily usa has double standards or it might be seen as having none at all.

Posted by: Hankster | May 20 2024 21:46 utc | 50

Posted by: vargas | May 20 2024 21:40 utc | 49
Where is SlowSoft?

Posted by: UWDude | May 20 2024 21:47 utc | 51

/cheep
He now needs a good nickname like “Genocide Joe”. Something that captures his illegitimacy as president now and draft dodger status. I leave that to more creative minds than I. 😉
I believe in you MoA!
/cheep cheep

Posted by: titmouse | May 20 2024 21:49 utc | 52

@ Anonymous | May 20 2024 19:08 utc | 33
that is a lie anonymous… too bad you can’t back it up with a citation…

Posted by: james | May 20 2024 22:02 utc | 53

Cocaine Hitler can’t get no love, what a crying shame.

Posted by: nook | May 20 2024 22:04 utc | 54

@ titmouse | May 20 2024 21:49 utc | 52
the illegitimate draft dodger zelensky…. lets start their and find something similar but simpler…
all hat, no cattle zelensky…

Posted by: james | May 20 2024 22:12 utc | 55

Ukrainian Government in Exile
Millions of former Ukrainian citizens having fled Ukraine or Russia. This should be justification for a Ukrainian Government in Exile to be formed in Russia.
The Ukrainian Government in Exile could form a legal basis for many things Ukrainians, both remaining in the country and those that fled, would support. For example, the Government in Exile could declare an end to mobilization in Ukraine, take over ownership of Ukrainian assets, and establish diplomatic relations with other nations.
It could greatly hasten the end of hostilities.

Posted by: Jerr | May 20 2024 22:13 utc | 56

VZ is now past expiry date. He is expired goods.
So much about USA and EU’s democracy!

Posted by: Jason | May 20 2024 22:14 utc | 57

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 19:24 utc | 35
Zaluzhny was given a very prominent opportunity to criticize Zelensky in early November (Economist interview). If he’s quiet as ambassador in London, I assume it’s to detach himself from the current military disaster.
Once Zelensky is out (Economist now), my bet is that sooner or later Zaluzhny will resurface as the new “experienced, popular with troops” leader of Ukraine. Whether in Kiev or as government-in-exile, we’ll see.

Posted by: smuks | May 20 2024 22:16 utc | 58

RT: Peaceful settlement still possible in Ukraine – Moscow
Is Russia begging for negotiations?
How to interpret this otherwise?
Posted by: vargas | May 20 2024 21:40 utc | 49
Russia has always said they are willing to negotiate. However, the caveat is that those negotiations must reflect the reality on the ground. So the longer Ukraine/US/West/NATO wait to negotiate, the less of Ukraine there will be to include in said negotiations. The only question is: will Russia reach Odessa before Ukraine waves the white flag.

Posted by: James M. | May 20 2024 22:18 utc | 59

that is a lie anonymous… too bad you can’t back it up with a citation…
Posted by: james | May 20 2024 22:02 utc | 53
Him, cite something? The guy who swears by Slick Willie’s youtube videos? Good luck with that.

Posted by: James M. | May 20 2024 22:21 utc | 60

Since VZ has no legitimacy in his role as president, he should be “removed” (denazified) paving way for democracy the West loves so much. Russia must arm such Ukrainian democracy activists to remove VZ. Ballot or bullet VZ must go.

Posted by: Jason | May 20 2024 22:27 utc | 61

Mahmoud Abbas’ term of office as Present of the Palestinian Authority expired in 2008. Yet there he is.

Posted by: Retired Morlock | May 20 2024 22:37 utc | 62

Posted by: Dubourg | May 20 2024 18:13 utc | 22
Bienvenue au bar!

Posted by: Naive | May 20 2024 22:37 utc | 63

Highlights:
1) Goes into specifics on Defense Minister Belousov trajectory & goals.
2) States no “negotiation” possible as no trust, just full unconditional surrender will be possible. Russia in no hurry.
3) Gives analysis of China/Russia relations.
4) State May 20th doesn’t matter, as Ukraine has actually not had a legal, legitimate presidency since 2014 coup.
5) Gives very good insight regarding Israel conflict that I won’t elaborate on this thread.
Very good analysis and report.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 20 2024 18:58 utc | 29
Indeed!!!
Thanks! I love #2!

Posted by: Naive | May 20 2024 22:39 utc | 64

Titmouse.
Cocainsky and begginsky are the two names I use frequently when talking about the guy.

Posted by: Hankster | May 20 2024 22:44 utc | 65

I’m sure the AFU have a vacancy for a talented pianist who can knock out a tune standing up with his hands in the air.
That would look good for when he is put in an abject position on the battlefield or against a wall before a line of Russian soldiers. Who here would be looking forward to that day?

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 20 2024 22:49 utc | 66

Ukrainian Government in Exile

Posted by: Jerr | May 20 2024 22:13 utc | 56
Russia won’t put up with any of that kind of nonsense. All those jumping up and down about “negotiated settlement”, “demilitarised zone” or “muh stalemate” can forget about it if the West tries to contrive some meaningless symbolic gesturing along the lines of faux opposition like Yulya Navalnya, or even that poor sap Guaido.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 22:49 utc | 67

“Zelenski’s Regime is Finished” 04MAy2023, Moon of Alabama.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/05/zelenskis-regime-is-finished.html

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20 2024 22:49 utc | 68

Zelensky end of term (Russia’s moves) seems a big unknown at the moment. Will be interesting to see if they relegate him to the status of common terrorist. But in any case, it seems state protocols will no longer apply. Russia has made a point of respecting the offices – proper protocols and so forth – of states, even if they don’t think much of the person holding that office.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 20 2024 22:56 utc | 69

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20 2024 22:49 utc | 68
Yay, he’s finished colouring in his copy of the Ian Allan ABC Guide to Ukraine!

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 22:57 utc | 70

@ Anonymous | May 20 2024 22:49 utc | 68
and nowhere does it say what you said @ 33.. here is your quote below.. it is still bullshit..
“I still remember b saying, over a year ago, when the Ukrops bombed the Kremlin, snap…now Z will be taken out.”

Posted by: james | May 20 2024 23:02 utc | 71

Posted by: james | May 20 2024 23:02 utc | 71
Our friend @Anonymous has the trainspotter mentality; obsessed to the point of compulsion about minor details, yet unable to see how all the details assemble into a wider picture, with no understanding of operational or strategic long-term outcomes.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 23:07 utc | 72

I am very interested in how the Russians deal with the expiry of Elensky’s term. “Martial Law” will justify him staying on, in the view of local loyalists. I make no predictions, apart from the obvious gradual disintegration of the Ukrainians’ will and capability to resist being a steady and potentially pivotal influence in the background.

Posted by: Activist Potato | May 20 2024 23:16 utc | 73

I really doubt he [Zelensky] will go anywhere.
Posted by: lester | May 20 2024 16:52 utc | 9
One part of me hopes he will go stay at Bandera’s place … indefinitely. Another part would like to see him on public trial in Moscow. And another part, hanging from a Kiev lamppost, strung up by the Ukrainian people. Either way, just deserts.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 20 2024 23:16 utc | 74

Posted by: Dubourg | May 20 2024 18:13 utc | 22
Bienvenue au bar!
Posted by: Naive | May 20 2024 22:37 utc | 63
Crois pas que ce mec soit français … « par ses testicules » ??? Cuilles svp !

Posted by: Newbie | May 20 2024 23:20 utc | 75

There is no doubt that we are going to die. The issue is if it’s going to be of any use…

Posted by: Paus | May 20 2024 23:25 utc | 76

My understanding is that the Kremlin, the US imperial deep state and whoever The Economist is speaking for, together agreed that Z. will be replaced by Budanov.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | May 20 2024 23:31 utc | 77

Thinking a bit more about this bizarre concept of a Ukrainian “government in exile”, who exactly would form it? Yermak? Zaluzhny? Arestovich? That idiot in charge of the SBU? Syrsky?Loyalists to the Zelensky Formerly Known As President???
A stunning range of candidates…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 23:32 utc | 78

All the people think that would be forever, but the minuscule cells are beyond the comprehension: they kill you because the matter is mama: Mary (the matter) is the same spirit of God. Thanks to the cells who are in our heart, we live.
And, there are much out cellules in our body that cellules in our body. We are the same universe for the cellules, than the cellules are for us.

Posted by: Paus | May 20 2024 23:44 utc | 79

It would be funny if Zelensky got conscripted. I mean he can hold a gun and is unemployed with no critical labour skills.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 20 2024 16:36 utc | 5
Hey! Not everyone can play the piano with their dick! He’s a national treasure.

Posted by: Honzo | May 20 2024 23:55 utc | 80

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 23:07 utc | 72
I think the approach taken also does not take into account the differences between an army whose highest level of operational command is at the brigade level, versus one that revolves around the division. The former can defend against the latter but, without heavy fortifications and pre-planning, will struggle to maintain a coherent, unified, scheme of defence, which risks considerably higher levels of attrition. Counter-attacks will be limited in their scope and scale and any successes will struggle to develop into anything more than local setbacks, for their opponents, that are difficult to sustain.
The West recognised the inherent weakness of the army it had trained, now that it faced a P2P (peer to peer) conflict and tried to remedy it by laying the foundations of two corps level formations, only to see those units allocated frittered away sustaining the doomed offensive, or defending from the Russian counter-blow that followed. This situation is only worsened by the lack of experienced Ukrainian commanders, who can go some way to mitigating the problems faced by these formations, and the constant influx of hurriedly trained replacements that exacerbate issues of unit coherence and interoperability.

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2024 23:58 utc | 81

Once Zelensky is out (Economist now), my bet is that sooner or later Zaluzhny will resurface as the new “experienced, popular with troops” leader of Ukraine. Whether in Kiev or as government-in-exile, we’ll see.
Posted by: smuks | May 20 2024 22:16 utc | 58
The thing about all this post-Zelensky, replacement-President speculation is that there are only two sets of forces which can instal a new 404 President:
1, The outside puppeteers and their insider Rada puppets, who all have their ulterior motives to “instal the right man”; and
2, The Ukrainian people who, through proper democratic elections, can set a new course for their shitbox country. Yeah, some will say that the outside forces can rig any election in their favour. But I’m not so sure that could be pulled off this time. Imagine a field of candidates — I reckon the people would choose the most negotiation-friendly option, just to get a peace again. Imo,the Russophobic Ukies would be happy to let the Russophilic Ukies take the East, just to the stop war and salvage what might be left to go forwards. RF has made the point “Ukraine in NATO is just not on”. And, do voters really give a shit about their Odessan coastline or Crimea? I think not.
So, imo, the end result will be that Russia will only ever accept option #2, or else it will be Maidan 2014 to 2024 all over again. Putin and Co. have endlessly said that RF will NOT accept a fake, antagonistic regime next door ever again and will keep advancing till Kiev is brought to its knees by either tanks surrounding Kiev or an unconditional surrender by its military commander (ie, Syrsky) to produce their desired end. All this chatter about “who will replace Zelensky” is rubbish unless it meets the Kremlin’s imprimatur. Another dummy puppet will not cease the SMO.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 20 2024 23:58 utc | 82

after seeing this nuland vid and after witnessing the arrogance many a “leaders” in the west have, im coming to the conclusion that its not so much that they are “not afraid of weak and soft putin”, but much rather that they have all collectievly entered a state of complete mental breakdown.
Posted by: Justpassinby | May 20 2024 18:52 utc | 28
My suspicion (no more, no less) is that this group of which Nuland is a part is influenced by the occult-based “secret” that the mind’s will will overcome physical obstacles. Dream every night where you want to be and you will be there; that the world is a fantasy subject to the force of will, i.e., prayer, but in this instance a dark satanic prayer. Who knows what esoteric secrets still remain beyond our reach? The power of prayer is not yet proven to be a sham, and may be in fact be playing a big joke on us. Having said that, if prayer and will is a force to be reckoned with, controlling the narrative in the media is a huge part of maintaining control. Confidence is a force. Reality, of course is stronger.

Posted by: Activist Potato | May 20 2024 23:59 utc | 83

Hey! Not everyone can play the piano with their dick! He’s a national treasure.
Posted by: Honzo | May 20 2024 23:55 utc | 80
______
Needless to say, he faked it.

Posted by: malenkov | May 21 2024 0:00 utc | 84

What I don’t understand, however, is why Zelensky’s office did not apply to the Constitutional Court of Ukraine to give an official clarification and remove the uncertainty.
Posted by: SergeT | May 20 2024 17:39 utc | 14
A post from a telegram account, pasted @bar, explained Court had previously made rulings the Americans didn’t like; it was understood the Court would rule against BigZ canceling elections and holding on to office.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 0:01 utc | 85

There’s an interesting article on RT, “Poke the bear and find out” articulating Russia’s nuclear doctrine and how the West has reduced this to a “E2DE” concept instead of the correct posture of using nuclear weapons on an unlimited nonlinear scale as and when decided.
If and when Western forces actually move in there is the possibility of targeting Lvov, Uzhgorod, Lutsk and logistical entry points. This would create the “grey zone” between Russia and NATO and solve the issue of NATO borders moving up to Russia.
What will happen next? There’s obviously a fall out and bun fight between UK and US, with the latest ruling by the High Court on the Assange extradition case.
I see CIA director Burns in the driver’s seat for the exit strategy, with assurances that certain individuals will be having untimely accidents/fatal illnesses/suicide, as well as a few token figures for the show trials.
Latest report are the Russians have advanced along the entire front line. People are staying off the streets in all of occupied Ukraine, orders have been issued to break into houses and “recruit” cannon fodder. 90% of thermal power capacity is lost. Sumy sector might be the next area Russia is expected to put pressure on.
The upcoming “peace” talks will probably provide more insight into how the West will capitulate.

Posted by: Suresh | May 21 2024 0:02 utc | 86

Remember Berdyshitville?
Nah. Me neither.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 0:02 utc | 87

take over ownership of Ukrainian assets,
Posted by: Jerr | May 20 2024 22:13 utc | 56
This would probably require taking over Ukrainian liabilities as well. I don’t see that happening.

Posted by: Honzo | May 21 2024 0:06 utc | 88

Mahmoud Abbas’ term of office as Present of the Palestinian Authority expired in 2008. Yet there he is.
Posted by: Retired Morlock | May 20 2024 22:37 utc | 62
Sure, true, and probably true for a few other places “the world doesn’t care about”! But Palestine (it’s two parts) is riven with PLA vs Hamas frictions, and Abbas’ “illegitimacy” doesn’t seem to bother anyone either inside or outside the country. Probably a VERY DIFFERENT constitution too, I’d imagine. Mind you, the West will happily back ANY “illegitimate” leader so long as he serves their purposes. So, Abbas is probably better left alone so long as Nettyhoohoo can make war with Hamas and needle Iran and Lebanon.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 21 2024 0:10 utc | 89

Incidentally, Zaluzhny seems to be keeping a remarkably low profile, considering his alleged appointment as Ambassador to London. Not seeing much in the way of public pronouncements or official Royal receptions at Buck House or Westminster.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 19:24 utc | 35
I’d say that’s a pretty good sign that Zaluzhny is positioned to take over whatever can be salvaged of Ukraine- most likely as head of a Government in Exile in London, where he just happens to be…
If he said anything in public, he would either undermine the support of the non-Nazis, or alienate the Nazis themselves. Keeping his mouth shut is his best move. After all, the only support he really needs to be the next Fuhrer is that of the UK, but his utility to the Brits will be greatest if he can quietly gather all the surviving Nazis that manage to flee Ukraine around him.
It would be amusing, though, if the Ukrainians who have fled to Russia were to form a government in Exile in Moscow- they could even hold an election to validate it! Perhaps the announcement will come tomorrow when Elensky’s last shred of legitimacy evaporates.

Posted by: Honzo | May 21 2024 0:13 utc | 90

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2024 23:32 utc | 78
I believe the intention was for an anti Western “Government in exile” for the disillusion people forced to return to the killing field etc or by those already in Russia.
I believe this is a non-started, the Ukraine as an independent entity ended in 2014.

Posted by: Suresh | May 21 2024 0:14 utc | 91

He now needs a good nickname like “Genocide Joe”. Something that captures his illegitimacy as president now and draft dodger status. I leave that to more creative minds than I. 😉
Posted by: titmouse | May 20 2024 21:49 utc | 52
He’ll always be the Little Dick Tater to me.

Posted by: Honzo | May 21 2024 0:19 utc | 92

Posted by: anon2020 | May 20 2024 16:49 utc | 6
Good post!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 21 2024 0:35 utc | 93

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 21 2024 0:38 utc | 94

RT: Peaceful settlement still possible in Ukraine – Moscow
Is Russia begging for negotiations?
How to interpret this otherwise?
Posted by: vargas | May 20 2024 21:40 utc | 49
This fucking guy!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 21 2024 0:40 utc | 95

I was a teenager in 1963 when USA “allowed” the Premier Diem to be assassinated. Being a US veteran during the last months of the “war” I kept track of the various strong men US put in charge in Saigon from 1963 through Apr 1975.
US has a strong talent at preventing elections, plebiscites and installing “leaders” in their colonies, Kiev is a full fledged US colony and Zelensky serves at the pleasure of genocide Joe and his donors/masters!
Genocide Joe and his masters decide what is democracy and what is legitimate!

Posted by: paddy | May 21 2024 1:06 utc | 96

@93 and @6
It may be possible that Nuland with her connections in the neocon blob could get one of the Vindman twins to be the next Gen Thieu to lend the US talents from 1970s Saigon.
Does US have anything better than the Vietnam paradigm?

Posted by: paddy | May 21 2024 1:13 utc | 97

My suspicion (no more, no less) is that this group of which Nuland is a part is influenced by the occult-based “secret” that the mind’s will will overcome physical obstacles. Dream every night where you want to be and you will be there; that the world is a fantasy subject to the force of will, i.e., prayer, but in this instance a dark satanic prayer. Who knows what esoteric secrets still remain beyond our reach? The power of prayer is not yet proven to be a sham, and may be in fact be playing a big joke on us. Having said that, if prayer and will is a force to be reckoned with, controlling the narrative in the media is a huge part of maintaining control. Confidence is a force. Reality, of course is stronger.
Posted by: Activist Potato | May 20 2024 23:59 utc | 83
Trying to alter reality for personal gain is black magic, pure and simple. The irony is that black is relatively easy to learn, white not so as it requires personal sacrifice and pure disposition. I see Satanism often applied to elites, that entity doesn’t exist, however there are other minor entities happy to pose as such. Regardless though, it is still playing with forbidden magic, nothing positive will ever come from that, humanity has been there before and it didn’t end well.

Posted by: Organic | May 21 2024 1:22 utc | 98

Some RT headlines, for those living in the free world.where freedom means never having to be discombobulated by russian propaganda.
>…US Congress threatens ICC with sanctions
[lol, remember that glee when the ICC issued an international arrest warrant for Putin?]

…House Speaker Mike Johnson, a Louisiana Republican, called the ICC move “disgraceful” and “lawless.”
“If unchallenged by the Biden administration, the ICC could create and assume unprecedented power to issue arrest warrants against American political leaders, American diplomats, and American military personnel,” Johnson said on Monday, demanding the White House “use every available tool to prevent such an abomination.”
Michael McCaul, the Texas Republican who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told Axios on Monday that a bill to sanction the court is already being drafted, based on the February 2023 bill introduced by Senator Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican.
Cotton was among the dozen senators who wrote to Khan earlier this month, reminding the ICC prosecutor that the US has a law on the books allowing “all means necessary and appropriate” to defend any Americans – or allies – sought by the court. The 2002 law was nicknamed the “Hague Invasion Act.”

[if the U$ didn’t have double standards, it’d have no standards at all. ]
Israel wasn’t involved in Iranian president’s fatal helicopter crash – Reuters
[ok, now that it’s been officially denied, it’s safe to think Israel was involved in the Iranian president’s death]

The Israeli government had nothing to do with the death of Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi, Reuters has reported, citing an unnamed official.

China offloads record amount of dollar assets – data
Beijing has sold $53.3 billion in US securities, according to Treasury Department data

Some experts have pointed to the economic impact of Western sanctions on Russia following the Ukraine conflict, saying that China seeks to mitigate similar risks.
“The handling of Russian reserves by the US and other G7 countries, including threats of expropriations and sanctions, likely prompted China to reduce its exposure to US Treasury assets to avoid being similarly targeted,” Craig Shapiro, a macroeconomic adviser at LaDuc Trading, told Newsweek on Saturday, referring to the seizure of Russian assets.

India to advocate for Global South at Swiss talks on Ukraine – Modi
The prime minister has suggested that New Delhi will participate in an upcoming ‘peace summit’ based on Vladimir Zelensky’s formula

… India will “resonate the voice of the Global South” at a conference on the Ukraine conflict hosted by Switzerland next month, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has said during an interview with the PTI news agency.
…The prime minister did not, however, confirm whether he will represent India in person at the events. The level of participation would depend on “timing, logistics, and parallel commitments,” he underlined.
…In a phone call with Modi in March, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky sought his attendance at the “peace formula” summit in Switzerland. Subsequently, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba traveled to New Delhi to convince the Indian leadership to attend the event.
…Switzerland has also made efforts to seek support from India. Foreign Secretary Alexandre Fasel traveled to New Delhi last week to extend an invitation to Modi to participate at the summit, telling PTI that “India is a friend of the world. There is really an expectation from the international community that India can contribute to this process.”

Is the US falling out of love with India?
New Delhi may remain Washington’s partner in some areas, but it will never be the proxy the Americans want

fter India pursued a deal with Iran on the Chabahar Port, the US responded by threatening New Delhi with sanctions.
This has exposed a possible growing geopolitical incompatibility between the two countries over the past several years, even as the US championed India as a critical strategic partner against China.
Since 2017, the US has promoted India as one of its key partners. It even went so far as to rename an entire region “the Indo-Pacific,” eyeing New Delhi as a key strategic asset in its longstanding strategic ambition of containing the rise of China.
Thus, India was celebrated for its commitment to democracy, its potential as a new economic and manufacturing giant, and became part of a grouping known as “The Quad,” alongside Australia and Japan. New Delhi itself was happy to capitalize on these strategic overtures to enable its own economic and political rise as a great power. As the West soured on China, Prime Minister Narendra Modi saw that India’s time had come.
All of a sudden, however, this newly found optimism for India melted away, despite Western economic engagement with the country growing.
New Delhi appears increasingly estranged from US objectives, even to the point that “The Quad” was recently marginalized in favor of a new grouping, dubbed “The Squad” with the militantly pro-US Philippines under Ferdinand Macros Jr taking India’s place.
It is as if the US believes Manilla will do more to cooperate on anti-China objectives than New Delhi, such as joint military exercises.
Thus, from close proximity, India appears to be falling into relative estrangement.
What happened?
First, India has an independent and strictly self-interested foreign policy. It might be willing to lean towards the US for its own gain, but that does not make it an “ally.”
The US can subdue many countries into following its foreign policy objectives, such as Britain, the Baltic states, or the Philippines, but India only joins in if it sees fit.
Talk of New Delhi being part of an ideological cause for “democracy and freedom” is nonsense, and its leadership has never seen such cooperation in this way, despite its grievances with China.
India has no commitment to US unipolarity like Britain or Australia would support, and instead seeks to rise as a power in its own right in a multipolar world.
……India has had an interest in balancing the rise of China, because it recognizes that it can benefit economically from supply-chain and manufacturing realignments.
However, when US-led foreign policy begins to attempt to crush all multipolarity for its own benefit, this becomes a strategic problem for India and creates a divergence in the two nations’ objectives.
One particular example is the war in Ukraine.
……Why would India comply with the US-led sanctions regime? It did not, and even pursued currency changes to avoid it. Ukrainian victory would strategically weaken and isolate India, forcing it into a Western dependency scenario.
Worse still, the war has ushered in an improvement in US relations with Pakistan following the removal and jailing of anti-US Prime Minister Imran Khan.
The US, of course, tried to ignore and reconcile these differences for quite a while, even as it leaned on India’s shoulder. …………
……increased Western conflict with Iran, which is another strategic partner of India, a country with which it has historical and cultural ties, and is another critical energy supplier.
As US tensions with Iran grow, India will not follow suit on Western pressure.
Then finally, to top it all off, a recent Biden gaffe ruffled feathers in India wen he called the nation “xenophobic.”
All of this has had the effect of recalibrating India’s balancing act on its foreign policy and distancing itself from the US.
In conclusion, New Delhi may be a US partner in some areas, but it is not a US proxy.
The two countries have very different visions for the emerging new world order.
India cannot accept US subjugation or the removal of its own strategic partners from the chessboard, which has quickly stifled Washington’s starry-eyed vision of India being the newest global champion of freedom and democracy, in pursuit of a unipolar world.

China warns US over Ukraine
Beijing has pushed back against Washington’s “groundless” claims it is arming Moscow’s troops

Washington is deliberately prolonging the Ukraine conflict and seeking to profit from it, while “smearing” Beijing with false accusations, the Chinese deputy envoy to the UN told the Security Council on Monday.
China has a right to carry out normal economic and trade cooperation with all countries in the world, including with Russia, and such cooperation should not be interfered with or undermined,” the diplomat said.
“We urge the US to stop attacking, smearing, and slandering China and spreading fabrications, and stop unilateral sanctions against, and unreasonable suppression of, Chinese enterprises.”
While the US and its allies have poured over $200 billion worth of weapons, equipment and ammunition into Ukraine – while insisting that does not make them party to the hostilities – they have repeatedly accused China of helping the Russian military by exporting dual-use goods, and threatened Beijing with sanctions.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2024 1:39 utc | 99

Nuland’s mental breakdown and her ‘esoteric secrets’ if provoking nuclear war :
Posted by: Activist Potato | May 20 2024 23:59 utc | 83 , ref. also @28

.. My suspicion (no more, no less) is that this group of which Nuland is a part is influenced by the occult-based “secret” that the mind’s will will overcome physical obstacles. Dream every night where you want to be and you will be there ..

Well said.
From now on, Nuland & her heli staff should no longer flying over mountains on bad ‘weather conditions’.

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | May 21 2024 1:46 utc | 100

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