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May 13, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-138

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If West Wants to Settle Ukrainian Conflict on Battlefield, Russia Ready – Lavrov https://sputnikglobe.com/20240513/if-west-wants-to-settle-ukrainian-conflict-on-battlefield-russia-ready—lavrov-1118406912.html
“The conference… boils down to formulating an ultimatum to Russia once again,” he added.

Posted by: Laurence | May 13 2024 16:19 utc | 1

I just saw this myself, y’all might already know about it.
Vladimir Putin removes Sergei Shoigu from Russian defence ministry

Posted by: McAgnew | May 13 2024 16:26 utc | 2

Posted by: McAgnew | May 13 2024 16:26 utc | 2
Yes it’s all over the place now.
It’s the usual Anglo propaganda.
Alexander Christoforou provides some excellent perspective on Shoigu here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRtgrLKb1TQ

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 13 2024 16:42 utc | 3

Allow me to anticipate the flood of troll comments sponsored by shekels and “smart” boys:
– If you find yourself asking why Russia isn’t taking the shaheed path of “big arrow offensives,” you are simply far too ignorant of the past decade to matter. Advanced ISR from NATO would ordinarily be an untold boon for guerilla fighters. Thankfully, Ukraine is led by foreign agents who insist on WWI style defense and hasbara narratives which cannot deviate from unwarranted optimism, all while the families of Ukraine’s leaders are safely in Tel Aviv.
– Conversely, cabinet shuffles are absolutely standard in most governments with non-lifetime terms of office. Still more when you have elderly ministers representing their country for more than a decade.
– The West does not have infinite money to solve this. Even if you like Marxism too much to have any knowledge of current Western bond markets, most Western countries but ESPECIALLY the United States require vast sums of money to fuel any expansion of their hopelessly corrupt MIC. Political reforms, industrial training, and capital investment could solve the shrunken NATO industrial capacity- but that will take years. All while China can effortlessly switch its “overcapacity” from providing vital NATO consumer goods to building weapons efficiently.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | May 13 2024 16:50 utc | 4

Well he got to replace Patrushev which is higher task and he took all the procurement unit with him too. Just read Pepe Escobar telegram and you (McAgnew) won’t have to worry.

Posted by: Galant | May 13 2024 16:51 utc | 5

Today’s Russian Defence Ministry report, with a horrendous number of Ukrainian troop losses, ~1400: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12512793@egNews

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.
The Sever Group of Forces has improved the tactical situation and delivered strikes at manpower and hardware of the 125th Territorial Defence Brigade close to Volchansk, Neskuchnoye, Liptsy, and Veseloye (Kharkov region). In addition, five counter-attacks of AFU assault groups were repelled close to Glubokoye and Tikhoye (Kharkov region).
The enemy’s losses amounted to up to 250 Ukrainian troops, two tanks, two armoured fighting vehicles, and 17 motor vehicles.
In counter-battery warfare, the Russian troops hit one 152-mm Msta-B howitzer, one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, one 122-mm D-30 howitzer, Buk-M1 and Strela-10 anti-aircraft systems, as well as four MLRS launchers, to include Uragan, Czech-made Vampire, and Croatian-made RAK-SA-12.
The Zapad Group of Forces has taken more advantageous lines and inflicted fire damage on the 63rd Mechanised Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and 117th Territorial Defence Brigade near Kirovsk and Torskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic). Thirteen counter-attacks of the 4th Tank, 3rd, 21st, 63rd, 116th mechanised, 77th Airmobile brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and 4th National Guard Brigade were repelled by the Russian Armed Forces near Kislovka (Kharkov region), Nevskoye, Novoyegorovka, Makeyevka, and Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People’s Republic).
The enemy lost up to 80 Ukrainian troops, two infantry fighting vehicles, three pick-up trucks, two 152-mm Msta-B howitzers, and one 152-mm Giatsint-S gun.
The Yug Group of Forces has improved the situation along the front line and delivered strikes at manpower and hardware of the 79th Air Assault Brigade and the 81st Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kleshcheyevka, Antonovka, and Grigorovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
Over the past 24 hours, the Armed Forces of Ukraine [this is as it appeared on the site – JRL] have repelled three counter-attacks of assault groups of the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade and the 41st Mechanised Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Spornoye and Razdolovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 540 Ukrainian troops, two tanks, including the German-made Leopard-2A1, two armoured fighting vehicles, 11 motor vehicles, one U.S.-made 155-mm M777 howitzer, one 152-mm D-20 howitzer, one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, one U.S.-made 105-mm M119 gun, and one 105-mm Melara Mod 56 self-propelled artillery system.
The Tsentr Group of Forces have improved the tactical situation as a result of successful actions and inflicted fire damage on units of the 24th, 47th, and 100th mechanised brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Novosyolovka Pervaya, Katerinovka, and Novopokrovskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic). The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation repelled seven counter-attacks launched by the 92nd Assault, 142nd Infantry, 68th, 71st jaeger, 24th, 110th mechanised brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Shumy, Ocheretino, and Netaylovo (Donetsk People’s Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to more than 395 Ukrainian troops, three armoured fighting vehicles, six motor vehicles, one 152-mm Msta-B howitzer, and one Croatian-made 122-mm RAK-SA-12 MLRS launcher.
The Vostok Group of Forces has taken more advantageous lines and inflicted fire damage on manpower and hardware of the AFU 21st National Guard Brigade near Velikaya Novosyolka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 135 Ukrainian troops, one tank, five motor vehicles, one U.S.-made 155-mm M777 howitzer, one UK-made 155-mm AS-90 Braveheart self-propelled artillery system, one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, and one 100-mm Rapira anti-tank gun.
The Dnepr Group of Forces has engaged the AFU 65th Mechanised Brigade, the 35th Marine Brigade, the 121st Territorial Defence Brigade close to Orekhov (Zaporozhye region), Ivanovka, Tyaginka, and Zolotaya Balka (Kherson region).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 55 Ukrainian troops, two armoured fighting vehicles, two motor vehicles, one U.S.-made M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery system, one 152-mm Msta-B howitzer, and one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system.
Operational-Tactical Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces have engaged AFU manpower and hardware in 129 areas during the day.
One Su-27 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force was downed by Russia’s air defence forces. In addition, 33 unmanned aerial vehicles, six Tochka-U tactical missiles, 39 projectiles of Olkha, Chezh-made Vampire, and U.S.-made HIMARS, five French-made Hammer guided bombs, five U.S.-made HARM anti-radiation missiles, and four UK-made Storm Shadow cruise missiles have been shot down over the past 24 hours.
In total, 596 airplanes and 274 helicopters, 24,020 unmanned aerial vehicles, 518 air defence missile systems, 16,008 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,295 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 9,545 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 21,678 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 13 2024 16:54 utc | 6

From: https://ukranews.com/en/news/1005622-it-will-be-difficult-to-maintain-power-system-without-restrictions-especially-in-winter-halushchenko

Energy Minister Herman Halushchenko allows further restrictions on electricity consumption due to significant losses of generating capacity after enemy shelling.
This is stated in the notification of the Ministry of Energy, Ukrainian News Agency reports.
“It will be difficult to maintain the system without restrictions, especially in winter. We must also take into account that we are currently fixing the situation as of now, and it is difficult to predict the situation until winter, taking into account the next shelling or their impact on the system. But it is obvious that there will be additional negative impact on system. That’s why the situation will be difficult,” Halushchenko said on the air of the United News national telethon.
He advised all consumers to prepare for a difficult winter, at the same time he emphasized that power engineers will do everything possible to ensure that it passes stably, in particular as the winter of 2023-2024.
“Even if you don’t have restrictions today, you have to understand that there is a war going on and somewhere around this time these restrictions exist. That’s why it is very important to use electricity sparingly,” the minister emphasized.
He noted that there may be difficulties with electricity supply in the summer as well, at the same time, at this time of the year, the power of renewable energy sources, in particular solar power plants, help to balance the system.
Halushchenko noted that in recent months, the Ukrainian energy system has suffered the most damage since the beginning of the full-scale war with russia.
“To date, we have already lost about 8 GW of power in the system. If this had happened in any other country, there would have been a total blackout. The situation is difficult. But there is light today, the system is balanced, and this is the result of the hard work of power engineers who are working daily, around the clock, to support the system,” he emphasized.
As Ukrainian News Agency earlier reported, overnight into May 8, russian invaders attacked energy infrastructure in six regions of Ukraine.

Money printer goes brrrrrrrrrrr… Ukrainians just go “Brr!”.
And of course, none of this is attritional in any way whatsoever, no siree!

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 13 2024 17:12 utc | 7

Doctorow is always worth reading, softly spoken and directly from Russia his overall impressions are full of revealing details. And his opinion is that corruption in the Ministry of Defense did it to Shoigu, plus I insist family problems that during times of war are not very well received by the general population. And that is why Prigozhin got the regular folks ear, we still do not know the full details of the supposed insurrection, probably we will never know, sort of a JFK event. Doctorow’s general impression is that Russia is succeeding in providing guns and butter. Another aspect to be considered is Shoigu’s origin, from Tuva the most depressed and impoverished region in Russia and a big provider of manpower to the armed forces, maybe that’s the reason why Putin kept him on in spite of the scandals, but time to efficiently manage resources has come and it seems the new guy is there right choice for the task.
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2024/05/13/the-kharkov-offensive-and-the-replacement-of-shoigu-as-defense-minister/

Posted by: Paco | May 13 2024 17:23 utc | 8

The Duran’s latest goes into even more depth on Shoigu’s legacy as a civilian head of the Russian Military and his achievements and his new position and it’s responsibilities:
Highly recommended:
LPutin’s new administration & the Security Council of Russia
Poor guy doesn’t get to retire.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 13 2024 17:24 utc | 9

They Call Me Mister@4….the money isn’t in any printing machine, its in Russia’s resources…west will play long game, Russia can kill, kill, kill and wait, for the collapse or west drags out long enough for it get to some ammo parity, the Brits signed on for 100 years, that’s long game again, so maybe in 5 to 7 years, west will still be agitating Russia and if grinder can maintain minimum supply, times no territory taken, no one, save for a few kind hearted souls, no one cares a Fiddler’s fig how many Ukie die on any given day.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 13 2024 17:24 utc | 10

west will play long game
The long game is a losing game for the west; at present they’re simply trying to lose slower while they desperately scramble for some mythical savior.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 13 2024 17:35 utc | 11

The West does not have infinite money to solve this. Even if you like Marxism too much to have any knowledge of current Western bond markets, most Western countries but ESPECIALLY the United States require vast sums of money to fuel any expansion of their hopelessly corrupt MIC

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | May 13 2024 16:50 utc | 4
Indeed, and most Western countries require vast sums just to re-finance their existing debt! All those short- and medium-term duration bonds that had a When Issued of sub-2% are going to be rolling over into an environment of 4+ or even 5+%.
I’m going to pinch @psychohistorian’s motto again: “The sh¡tshow continues, until it doesn’t”.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 13 2024 17:47 utc | 12

Apparently the F-16’s will arrive “within a month”. I’m thinking they waited until now to make sure they didn’t go on display in Moscow earlier this month.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 13 2024 18:02 utc | 13

Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 13 2024 18:02 utc | 13
Not just F-16s. Estonia is seriously considering sending troops to free up more Ukrainian soldiers to fight at the front. Germany is sending another Patriot system and more Iris-Ts. Ukraine’s allies are stepping up. This is why everyone wants to join NATO. They actually look after each other. Unlike the BRICS clowns.

Posted by: bored | May 13 2024 18:07 utc | 14

Just here to pop in and claim to have been the originator of ‘the shit show continues until it doesnt‘ turn of phrase in one of my first comments on MoA, though certainly Im not the first to ever say it, I am happy our resident Seldon found it compelling, fellows, taking a bow and all.
By which I meant in essence it will be all thunderously insistent importance then nothing, the sound of pins dropping as the rats scurry for the hills. At least I hope because the alternative for all of us is a very big bang. While I have lost faith in the majority of present humanity its deeply unfair of us to not give our kids a chance to be better.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 13 2024 18:10 utc | 15

Estonia is seriously considering sending troops to free up more Ukrainian soldiers to fight at the front.
Posted by: bored | May 13 2024 18:07 utc | 14

The question is, how many of its 15 soldiers can Estonia spare? So many questions.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 13 2024 18:13 utc | 16

@ bored, §14:
I think it´s Lithuania not Estonia that´s talked about sending its troops in.
Estonia+Latvia haven´t got the grandiose memories of empire that Lithuania, along with Poland, has.

Posted by: John Marks | May 13 2024 18:19 utc | 17

Paco | May 13 2024 17:23 utc | 8–
I have a different interpretation of the promotions that have occurred. There’s no “punishment” related to any of the repositioning of players. Patrushev earned his promotion to retired elder statesman and was replaced by Shoigu, not his deputy Medvedev. And as fate would have it, the Security Council met today, and here’s what we’re allowed to know:

Vladimir Putin: Now we will talk about a topic that is always for us priority in the external sphere is building relations with our closest, with the independent states formed in the post-Soviet Space. The Minister of Finance and I [Anton Siluanov] said that in Russia’s new political cycle, we must pay even more attention to this and talk about how we will organise this work from all points of view, including organisational ones.
We will return to this later, but now in fact, let’s start this conversation, this discussion on one of the aspects of this multi-vector work.
I give the floor to the Foreign Minister. You are welcome Sergei Viktorovich [Lavrov]Please.

Missing was the usual attendance roster. I wrote an anticipation of the need to draw the Near Abroad closer to Mother Russia based on what I was reading and events I was seeing. The EAEU Supreme Economic Council Summit was very revealing in that regard as well as recent CIS and CSTO meetings.
Lavrov’s answer at a meeting of the Federation Council Committee on Foreign Affairs regarding the upcoming conference in Switzerland revealed nothing new with the press reporting his saying this twice:
“Our cause is just. If they want to go to the “battlefield”, then it will be so. Look at how they are now “lamenting” about the steady broad advance of our Armed Forces.”
It would be excellent to know what he told the Security Council, but I don’t see it changing its mode of operation or its outlook with the promotions. IMO, much of the reporting is trying to capitalize on the very slim (Western-style) sensationalism present. Where’re the press reports playing up the Communist’s opposition to Mishustin remaining as PM? There’s no “juice” present there.
And before the promotions were announced there was a very important meeting between Putin and Acting Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov and the General Director of the State Corporation Rostec Sergey Chemezov of which only the following was reported:

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Dear Colleagues!
Just recently, at a meeting with the Government–Denis V. Manturov heard what I was saying–said that we should not have any disruptions in our current work until the new Government is formed.
The complex that Denis Valentinovich is in charge of – the entire industry, both the defence industry and the civilian industry – everything is concentrated here.
A significant amount of work is being done in this area within the framework of Rostec, and I would like to talk to you now about how this work is being organized now and how we plan to build it in the near future.
I know that a lot has been done, established, everything is functioning, but there are also questions, that require special attention. We will dwell on them today.

IMO, the discussion centered around how the new players would interact with the already existing structure as neither Manturov or Chemezov are going anywhere. Rather, take note how this meeting isn’t included in any of the sensationalized news reports. The decrees as published by the Kremlin regarding Patrushev and Shoigu are just dry notices devoid of any real meaning, but the press is using “removed” as a pejorative. Pundits must flap their gums and lips just as in the West, unfortunately.
As usual, Putin has already discussed what’s to be done prior to the moves being made public so there’s no grounds for rancor whatsoever. The new Defense Minister is supposedly outlining his priorities, but you can be sure they are actually Putin’s: “Andrey Belousov highlighted the need to reduce red tape and improve the welfare of military personnel.”

Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2024 18:22 utc | 18

My impression from the region was that Finns were seen by fellow Scandinavians as “Russians”, and that Lithuanians were seen by Russians as “Germans”.

Posted by: Passerby | May 13 2024 18:33 utc | 19

Ukraine’s allies are stepping up.
Too little too late.
They actually look after each other.
LMAO, they’re being strong-armed to empty their cupboards in order to delay the inevitable. The US & EU clowns in charge know it’s not Europe at risk, it’s their own corrupt necks.
The BRICS have been supporting Russia throughout in the UN and via trade, but since Russia’s manufacturing capacity and manpower already far outstrips the West they have no need for the penny-ante virtue signaling rampant among the NATO members.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 13 2024 18:35 utc | 20

@ Doctor Eleven | May 13 2024 18:10 utc | 15 who doesn’t seem to know that I have been commenting here for more than a decade and seriously doubt that your use of the shit show phrase I have been throwing out for years is your original.
But if it is important to you, feel free to charge me a drink at the bar every time I use “your” phrase.
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@ karlof1 | May 13 2024 18:22 utc | 18 with the Russia leadership update…..thanks for the extra information

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 13 2024 18:36 utc | 21

I think it is possible that Shoigu is being side-lined to make way for return of Surovikin.
Prigozin was not pleased with Shoigu.
It does not appear that this was an planned change.
I think that this is what happens when people are not able to speak freely.
The suggestion by Rybar and Slavyangrad is that there is lots of corruption incompetence in Russian military.
Much like the Ukraine military and US government, I suppose.

Posted by: jared | May 13 2024 18:39 utc | 22

Sorry psychohistorian you had said so yourself at the time, noting you were going to ‘steal that’. Offered the thought as camaraderie. But given the weird hostility shown, I’ll keep thoughts to myself. Have fun kids.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 13 2024 18:44 utc | 23

About coup attempts, turmoil and caos manufacturing by US Intel in ukraine:
Gli Stati Uniti valutavano di infiltrare incursori e destabilizzare l’Ucraina già nel 1957
A study where to create a successful insurrrection Is included.
https://www.analisidifesa.it/2022/12/gli-stati-uniti-valutavano-di-infiltrare-incursori-e-destabilizzare-lucraina-gia-nel-1957/

Posted by: Mry | May 13 2024 18:44 utc | 24

At the risk of another beating of the dead Ukrainian Horse:
1.
“Not just F-16s. Estonia is seriously considering sending troops to free up more Ukrainian soldiers to fight at the front. Germany is sending another Patriot system and more Iris-Ts. Ukraine’s allies are stepping up. This is why everyone wants to join NATO. They actually look after each other. Unlike the BRICS clowns.”
Posted by: bored | May 13 2024 18:07 utc | 14
Tokenism is not going to change the inevitable demise of foolish, foolish Ukraine. “Everyone” wants to join NATO so the beleaguered American Taxpayer can subsidize Europe. So Europe can expand their Welfare State without taxing to death the last remaining working people. And why the 40 year old, metal-fatigued F16? Why not the super, magic F35 Flying Garbage Can? Because F16’s are no longer in production and with Russia blowing F35s out of the sky, Sales and Marketing the extremely Profitable F35, might end order cancellations.
2. Last Uke Thread, much light and fury about what Matt Gaetz said. For those that understand English and can sort out U.S. Politics, Gaetz was comparing the exposure of U.S. troops in Niger to Americans killed in Libya via Killary Clinton’s fumbled inactions. Nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by: kupkee | May 13 2024 19:03 utc | 25

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 13 2024 18:10 utc | 15
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 13 2024 18:36 utc | 21
Ah, my apologies to both, my use of the phrase was not intended to cause unlooked-for friction between two posters whose contributions I respect and enjoy.
I just saw it as a pithy and more down-to earth version of “That which cannot be sustained will not be sustained”; something which applies equally to Western debt levels and Ukrainian losses of personnel/equipment.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 13 2024 19:07 utc | 26

1500 casualties/day equals 15k every 10 days and if sustained 45k/month.
The Ukorpse will run out of men and plugging in a few thousand Estonians isn’t going to move the needle.
Presuming the pace continues through the election (Shitbirds in the WH cannot afford a retreat back to the Dnipr due to optics) that’s over 300k dead or wounded UAF by November🪦
Total mobilization only treads water and delays the inevitable collapse.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 13 2024 19:14 utc | 27

The west need a long bloody war and they have it. In spite of financial problems they can still print money.
That ability is the most important in this war.
The western economy is still holding

Posted by: vargas | May 13 2024 19:16 utc | 28

Meanwhile on the Comedy Channel, ‘Russia loses biggest single day loss since the start of the war … https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1898506/russia-ukraine-war-losses-highest-day
And they repeat Ukrainian, French, and U.K. estimates of Russia losing close to 500,000 men since the start of the war. As I said, I am quoting the comedy channel.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | May 13 2024 19:25 utc | 29

Posted by: vargas | May 13 2024 19:16 utc | 28
Nobody can print money, just like nobody can print Ukrainian troops, print ammunition for Ukraine, print artillery barrels, print Patriot batteries, or print F-16s.
Sure, currency can be printed, but that doesn’t solve anything, it makes matters worse.
I’ll leave it there, getting deep into this will drag things off-topic.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 13 2024 19:27 utc | 30

Paco | May 13 2024 17:23 utc | 8
I used to think you were a serious commentator. You’d be better writing tabloid political scandal columns.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 13 2024 19:32 utc | 31

Posted by: Ed4 | May 13 2024 12:51 utc | 277
The much smaller that I stated was the difference between “KIA” and “casualties”.
Medizona numbers are for KIA and they run about 100 RF a day.
Group that more or less mirrors Medizona for Ukraine: https://ualosses.org/en/soldiers/
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Total BS
First, the Russian losses on Mediazone are not about 100/day:
As of May 9,2024 – it is 810 days and 52789 KIA which is equal to 65.2 KIA or exaggeration from your side of 53%+
Between 11 and 25 April the KIA were 1208 or 86/day
For the last update- from Apr.26 to May 9 the KIA are 1110 or 79/day.
These cover the last 4 weeks or the period for significant russia gains with perhaps more than 20 villages taken
Now about the “ualosses.org” that you are pushing as similar to Mediazone – thus is purely Budanov disinformation campaing
First – the site has been registered on Dec.26, 2023 at 10:20:20 UTS.
This is way too early in the morning for any USA or Canadian based organization, given that it is the day after Christmas. Not very probable for a Europe-based organization, but it is early afternoon in Ukraine.
They felt that they needed to do something to counter the fact that people see the growing numbers of flags in the cemeteries and simply wont believe the Zelencky number of 31,000 killed Ukrainians
They use hosted service by cloudflare and the SSL sertificate is by Google Trust Services. The IP address for the domain is 172.67.183.36
Now you are aware that there is a law that prohibits the Ukrainians to take pictures of the Russian rockets attacks and to post them online.
I suspect the secondary purpose of this domain ualosses.org is to be used as honeypot – every Ukrainian, reporting a dead relative name there will have his IP address logged and perhaps be investigated by their security services, especially if there are suspicions the there could be other male relatives in hiding
And the Ukrainian can claim that their losses are comparable with the Russian one.
This is why this site is pushed on Reddit and similar pro-ukrainian propaganda sites and by people like Ed4

Posted by: IhaveseenanUFO | May 13 2024 19:34 utc | 32

is sending another Patriot system and more Iris-Ts.
Posted by: bored | May 13 2024 18:07 utc | 14
One? Will last a week or two, more if they hide it well and don’t use it. A lot more interesting is the other news, that some in Germany plan to use Romania and Poland to shoot missiles from ( sputnikglobe.com/20240513/are-nato-members-testing-the-waters-for-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine-1118413765.html ) I’ll ignore their hilarious use of “no fly zone” expression, both the source and Sputnik, but it’s something very possible they’ll try simply because there was always zero danger to them and no answer to sanctions. And using their airfields for f16s will be done first. Nothing to think about, you’ll have to wait, it’s not like Russia will reach the Donbass borders soon, they’re still “investigating” Maidan years

Posted by: rk | May 13 2024 19:37 utc | 33

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | May 13 2024 19:25 utc | 29
Wow! That is some weapons-grade copium from the Express. Beats me what is going on with the Western Wurlitzer at the moment. On the one hand we have pieces like the one b featured recently from The Economist plus other pieces from so-called highbrow outlets that seem to be trying to soften up their audience for some bad news, then we have this “rah-rah” nonsense from the lower end of the market.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 13 2024 19:48 utc | 34

Posted by: IhaveseenanUFO | May 13 2024 19:34 utc | 32
In the last 2 week reporting period that you cite, Mediazona reports 3 Russian KIA. If that is what you believe then go right ahead.
As the site says, the reports lag. Sometimes the lag is by quite a bit.
In order to get a better idea of what is going on I have been watching the data reported for the reporting periods that have dates in January 2023.
You can use the Wayback machine to check but this is what I found:
On April 21, 2024 I posted this on MOA:
This is their reporting for any week with a day in January 2023.
12/29 – 01/04 – 697
01/05 – 01/11 – 641
01/12 – 01/18 – 724
01/19 – 01/25 – 667
01/26 – 02/01 – 756
Total = 3485
The total in December 2023 was 3040
The total in October 2023 was 2993
The total in September 2023 was 2776
The total in April 2023 was 1604
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/04/ukraine-open-thread-2024-114/comments/page/2/#comments
What is now? How many more KIA have been recorded in the last 2 weeks for events that happened more than 16 months ago? Divide that by the number of days in the sample (35).
Check back in 3 months for the numbers for May 2024.
As to pushing “ualosses.org”, I am not pushing anything. You can believe whatever you want. I just noted that there is a group that claims to be doing a similar thing.

Posted by: Ed4 | May 13 2024 20:06 utc | 35

AFP: US sanctions test China’s ‘no limits’ friendship with Russia
Chinese banks are tightening scrutiny over trade with Russia for fear of incurring strict new US sanctions over the Ukraine war, testing the “no limits” friendship between the two countries.
It is the question at which moment China is going to reduce its support to Russia.

Posted by: vargas | May 13 2024 20:06 utc | 36

Peter AU1 | May 13 2024 19:32 utc | 31–
IMO, Paco was conveying the gist of Doctorow who at the outset of his essay confesses:
“The item about which we know more is the replacement of Shoigu by the economist Andrei Belousov, and my prime source of information on this is…The Financial Times.”
The Western sensationalist rag is his “prime source,” nor do I agree with him on his overall analysis. Indeed, he clearly agrees with the FT’s assessment that despite there being no evidence that Putin was “dissatisfied with the handling of his two-year invasion of Ukraine.” Shoigu wasn’t chief of the general staff, which is most responsible for managing the SMO.
What I see is Belousov being a better manager of rubles and kopeks. Direct state allocations of monies are superior to loans at any rate which is one of the important reasons why Russia’s MIC is less costly and more efficient than the Outlaw US Empire’s. Plus, the main issue lurking in the background is the rate of inflation and its relation to the RCB’s prime rate. And that’s another deep discussion.
The last point is the amount of discussion we aren’t privy to is immense and can only be guessed at, and it provides all the info required for any worthwhile analysis.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2024 20:15 utc | 37

is sending another Patriot system and more Iris-Ts.
Posted by: bored | May 13 2024 18:07 utc | 14

To replace the Patriot system that found its way to China?
https://t.me/jnb_news/48474

Posted by: too scents | May 13 2024 20:16 utc | 38

Ironic. Doesn’t the general population get what is happening? They are being sacrificed by the Tel Aviv leaders (and US Zionists). The Ukrainians are being subjected to continuously worsening conditions by the day, motivated to accept their dismal fate of ritual satanic sacrifice by the falsehood ‘protect your country’. While the Tel Aviver’s kids are safely esconced abroad in abs I’ll lute luxury, partying with American money. The poor Ukrainian saps continue to die by the 10s even 100s of thousands without the ghought occuring to them that they are just cannon fodder. The irony of it is the Tel Avivers have the brainwashed population and convinced them that their brother and sister slavs are the enemy.

Posted by: Áobh Ò’Sheachnasaigh | May 13 2024 20:17 utc | 39

It is the question at which moment China is going to reduce its support to Russia.
Wishful thinking as usual. Xi’s just told both Blinken & Macron GFY.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 13 2024 20:20 utc | 40

The irony of it is the Tel Avivers have the brainwashed population and convinced them that their brother and sister slavs are the enemy.
Posted by: Áobh Ò’Sheachnasaigh | May 13 2024 20:17 utc | 39

Odessa will be where the rubber meets the road.

Posted by: too scents | May 13 2024 20:20 utc | 41

Posted by: Ed4 | May 13 2024 20:06 utc | 35
All well and good, but doesn’t explain how the Express linked earlier by @Christian J Chuba | May 13 2024 19:25 utc | 29 get their totals for Russian losses. In your view are they quoting a credible number?
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Posted by: vargas | May 13 2024 20:06 utc | 36
AFP = Agence France Presse, obviously an unbiased source with no underlying agenda to its reporting…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 13 2024 20:22 utc | 42

Re: Shoigu
Shoigu is Tuvan, so likely has some residual Buddhist tendencies. Nothing wrong with that, but perhaps Russia needs someone with bloodthirsty Abrahamic tendencies pulling the trigger on military operations for a little bit.
Just a thought.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 13 2024 20:25 utc | 43

This is why everyone wants to join NATO. They actually look after each other.
Posted by: bored | May 13 2024 18:07 utc | 14
This belief of yours would actually explain a number of your posts.

Posted by: Passerby | May 13 2024 20:30 utc | 44

The delusions of the Western politicians continue even on this website…though it’s an oasis of sanity generally..Sending the unreliable Patriot system or two is worth zero to the Ukrainians, as are the always promised deliveries of the antiquated F-16, which can only fly from runways in neighboring NATO members… those countries being probably very leery of Russian missiles…

Posted by: pyrrhus | May 13 2024 20:38 utc | 45

RUAF control the settlement west of Vovchansk and all bridges between Vovchansk and Kharkov are either controlled by RUAF or destroyed. Reminder that the nazi battalions were sent to defend Vovchansk (undoubtedly a convenient opportunity to get rid of them).
One video from the morning showed AFU Bradley attacking in the north of Vovchansk, but by the evening the third of the town, north of the river was already completely under RUAF control.

Posted by: unimperator | May 13 2024 20:40 utc | 46

An interesting factoid hoisted from a comment over at Naked Capitalism. US and EU electricity demand FELL in 2023.
In the US, there may have been some offset due to increased fossil fuel burning (more miles driven, trucking, etc.)
However, this is a tell that a lot of the GDP in the West is fake. (Pumped up by accounting fraud.)
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1789683632728371610

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 13 2024 20:41 utc | 47

No ‘bored’ the west cannot win the long game, because its long game-imperialism- is coming to an end after centuries in which it plundered Asia, Africa and America.
The source of its strength is drying up: look at what has happened to just one of those western countries- France- in Africa, just in the past few months. France has lost its source of the cheap nuclear fuel that gave its economy a real advantage.
NATO is hanging on: Germany’s economy is in real trouble, its society riddled by intellectual corruption, is crumbling away. And Britain is in even worse shape.
They aren’t pouring weaponry and marine commandos into Ukraine because they are playing a long game and love Kiev’s ‘democratic values’, they are desperate gamblers throwing good money after bad and hoping against hope that the laws of physics will change and the Nazi tribute act in Kiev will turn into a means of doing to Russia what China, India and the rest of the world will no longer countenance being done to them.
As to the Godfather of NATO et al, what more need be said about the United States than that it has a choice between Biden and Trump in prospect, add to that its cack handed inability to deal with an outbreak of rabies in ‘Israel’ and any thought of a ‘long game’ involving that entity dissolves.
One thing about discussions here never changes: there are always some people arguing that the US and its military dominate the globe, and that, in the end, what Washington wants will prevail. On these people, and ‘bored’ is one of them ‘vargas’ another, reality has no impact.
China isn’t going to reduce its support for Russia. Estonian troops (half of whom are likely to be Russians) are not going to turn the tide in the Donbas. F-choose a number, aircraft are not going to make a difference.
The war in Ukraine may not be over but the result is clear: Russia won. All that remains is the plebiscites to find out how many Ukrainians are deeply attached to the new ‘Western-style’ society that came with the Maidan, the banning of all opposition, the kidnapping of boys in the streets, the corruption, the disappearances and the torture dungeons, the pauperisation, the unemployment, the hunger and the vast expanse of new cemetries.. and how many would rather throw in their lot with Eurasia. And the future.

Posted by: bevin | May 13 2024 20:46 utc | 48

Dima said AFU is stripping most experienced brigades from all over the front to send to Kharkov. Also most of these brigades were mostly defeated very recently already. They have also stopped attempts to attack the left bank of the Dnieper, probably related to similar issues.

Posted by: unimperator | May 13 2024 20:49 utc | 49

From Intel Slavs Z:
Russian military telegram channels report that the head of the Main Personnel Directorate (GUK) of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Yuri Kuznetsov, former head of the 8th Directorate of the General Staff (HRT service) has been detained.

Posted by: Mary | May 13 2024 20:51 utc | 50

This is why everyone wants to join NATO. They actually look after each other. Unlike the BRICS clowns.
Posted by: bored | May 13 2024 18:07 utc | 14
NATO is run by a group of small-hatted high-function gypsies. The BRICS not so much.
That’s the difference.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | May 13 2024 20:54 utc | 51

„Estonia is seriously considering sending troops to free up more Ukrainian soldiers to fight at the front…“
Posted by: bored | May 13 2024 18:07 utc | 14
Estonia has some 4‘000 active soldiers.
At the current rate of Ukrainian losses that‘s about 2-3 days.
They have some more reserves… but I gess you get the point.

Posted by: NoName | May 13 2024 21:01 utc | 52

@ Drapetomaniac | May 13 2024 20:54 utc | 51
A reminder that NATO and BRICS are factually nothing alike and their comparison would be inappropriate.
Almost everybody had a ride on the bored village bike today, so will I. The only thing NATO members are good at is throwing their allies under the bus before said allies throw them first. Close knit indeed.

Posted by: boneless | May 13 2024 21:07 utc | 53

Bored @ 14:
Did you actually mean to say that Estonia was preparing to return all the Ukrainian refugees in its territory to Ukraine? Estonian PM Kaja Kallas had been making some noises about doing that.
It’s difficult to see why Estonia would risk send its own troops into Ukraine unless they were part of a combined NATO force or instructed to do so by Washington, London or Brussels.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 13 2024 21:22 utc | 54

Telling to see so many Americans incomprehending at the notion of a non-military man as minister of defence. Out here in the Nonamerican World, cabinet is an organ of the civil state. Military men in cabinet? Best left for military juntas, martial law and banana republics.

Posted by: petra | May 13 2024 21:30 utc | 55

Did someone order a Johnny Cab?
https://t.me/intelslava/60033

🇺🇦 US Secretary of State Antony Blinken will visit Kiev this week.
Apparently, everything is very bad in Ukraine.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 13 2024 21:36 utc | 56

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 13 2024 20:22 utc | 42 “In your view are they quoting a credible number?”
No.
I don’t believe the numbers they put out there. Nor do I believe the numbers the Russians put out on Ukrainian causalities.

Posted by: Ed4 | May 13 2024 21:37 utc | 57

And the Ukrainian can claim that their losses are comparable with the Russian one.
This is why this site is pushed on Reddit and similar pro-ukrainian propaganda sites and by people like Ed4
Posted by: IhaveseenanUFO | May 13 2024 19:34 utc | 32
and to all others discussing it.
Till the end of March 2024, for RF KIA the mediazona 54 k is indeed a probable absolute minimum, being also equal to the total excess mortality of RF since february 2022.
I would probably place the probable RF KIA within 77-83K until march 2024.
And yes, 1.56 was the multiplier that seemed correct for the bare minimum numbers to reach the probable limit. (it held on the first probate study long ago, seems to keep holding)
I also believe that the number of out of combat WIA in thee RF should be close to the KIA number (long term with reasonable care its 2 or little more). So 150K?
Now for the AFU, for 02/2022-03/2023 I would be hard pressed to accept a global number under a round million for the same period (KIA+WIA beyond repair). But it wouldn’t surprise me if they were pressing wounded to fight beyond reasonable discharge and a completely different ratio.
As already mentioned, Shoigu’s numbers were probably understated as they concerned KIA as seen from the front.
Now, if there is one thing ukraine has kept a very heavy lid is its AFU KIA… the site mentioned is unlikely to have any relevance.

Posted by: Newbie | May 13 2024 21:57 utc | 58

Glad to be back on board after another prolonged absence . . .

Posted by: AntiSpin | May 13 2024 22:12 utc | 59

Posted by: petra | May 13 2024 21:30 utc | 55 Telling to see so many Americans incomprehending at the notion of a non-military man as minister of defence. Out here in the Nonamerican World, cabinet is an organ of the civil state. Military men in cabinet? Best left for military juntas, martial law and banana republics.
The thing is, a civilian minister of defence / secretary of war is also the norm for the United States. That this becomes a such a topic of debate is thus not about the bureacratic norms of the USA, but the degree of ignorance of its populace. I suspect that if pressed, there would not necessarily be a large majority insisting with high certainty that military leadership is the norm. It is more the impulse to continue to flow of discourse, blindly assembling thoughts based on word-logic alone. These same people also have practically no understanding of Russian governmental organization or norms, to include the recent constitutional changes. Most of which is not salient in terms of denouncing or approving Russia as entity under US appraisal, yet of course is basic knowledge to make any informed comment. Yet with base of ignorance, instinct tells them that every factoid they are aware of is especially important and relevant to their end judgement (which is largely already decided).
Similarly, you saw in recent move by Russians to take a few border villages near Kharkiv, it being judged in bombastic terms as being necessarily the proof of total Russian failure in war, the only alternative in their analysis being a total success. Why was this particular front at this particular moment in time so especially important? Because that´s what´s in front of their nose, and since their righteousness is already assured, they only need to express an opinion. After all, even if they end up wrong, they are still right in some inscrutable essence.

Posted by: ccc | May 13 2024 22:17 utc | 60

Posted by: Newbie | May 13 2024 21:57 utc | 58
I think you mean for afu losses to 03/2024,
Id say they are only 600,000 kia + wia out of service. Maybe another 50,000 deserters, and another 20,000 surrendered. It is clear to me, both by watching videos from ruMOD and their daily reports, that they use “destroyed” very loosely.

Posted by: UWDude | May 13 2024 22:21 utc | 61

One thing about discussions here never changes: there are always some people arguing that the US and its military dominate the globe, and that, in the end, what Washington wants will prevail. On these people, and ‘bored’ is one of them ‘vargas’ another, reality has no impact.
Posted by: bevin | May 13 2024 20:46 utc | 48
I do not argue that USA would win.
I am just saying that there is no credible evidence that the western block is failing, or that Ukraine has almost collapsed.
When I see extensive financial social and crisis in the West, when I see riots and wage slaves absenting their work and when I see massive surrender of Ukro army, then I ll believe it.

Posted by: vargas | May 13 2024 22:21 utc | 62

Sending the unreliable Patriot system or two is worth zero to the Ukrainians, as are the always promised deliveries of the antiquated F-16…
pyrrhus | May 13 2024 20:38 utc | 45
Russia seems to put a lot of effort into destroying Ukr AD, so it cannot be all that irrelevant. Prolongs the war, makes it more costly – without changing the outcome 1 inch. Same with F-16, which may be antiquated, but they’re another pain-in-the-a weapon for long-distance strikes.
Reminder that the nazi battalions were sent to defend Vovchansk (undoubtedly a convenient opportunity to get rid of them).
unimperator | May 13 2024 20:40 utc | 46
Only heard about Kraken being deployed (& destroyed) in Vovchansk. Other Nazi units, too?
Ever since Syrsky was appointed, Kiev seems intent on feeding them to the grinder. Keep it up pls.

Posted by: smuks | May 13 2024 22:35 utc | 63

@ karlof1 | May 13 2024 20:15 utc who said:

What I see is Belousov being a better manager of rubles and kopeks

Karlof1: I know you know what follows below, but I’m going to say it again just to (hopefully) provoke additional conversation.
Belousov is way, way more than a ruble-and-kopec allocator. He’s a production-capacity-builder. He knows what to build, in what sequence, and how to connect these industrial capacities for maximum effect.
I’m pretty sure that’s what he is, and why Putin installed him where-and-when.
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Russia is getting into 2nd gear industrially. The SMO and the attacks from the West has enabled a great deal of political house-cleaning in Russia, which (this is my speculation) Mr. Putin has been preparing for, planning for, moving people into and out of key positions for .. for decades.
Putin finally has:
a. Political acclaim and results enough to have earned the faith and (more importantly) the enthusiasm of the Russian people. They are behind him, and for good, solid, tangible reasons
b. The right people in place (for all the reasons you (Karlof1) detailed earlier on the subject of recruiting and staff development)
c. The oligarchs that own the big enterprises are now on-board, or gone
d. The industrial machinery. The factories, the supply lines, the skilled workforce. All there _enough_ to provide the infrastructure for Second Gear industrial integration
What Russia needs next is to acquire and install the very latest industrial machinery and processes and materials transit arteries, and for that … there used to be Germany (now gone) and now there’s China.
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Sidebar: Germany, you made a bad decision there. This is gonna cost you. You realize, of course, that you were a pawn, removed from the board, which would have done for Russia what China will now do. U.S. didn’t just remove cheap energy from Germany; it also took Germany’s industrial prowess away from Russia. Now we just have a frustrated West and a broken Germany. Great work all around.
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And this is China-Russia Industrial Upgrade (2nd gear) is why I flagged that piece about Mr. Andrei Belousov being the central figure in the Russia-China industrial integration.
This Russia-China industrial integration is exactly _what_ the West is so very fearful of, so very adamant to prevent. This integration – this interior, not-subject-to-naval-intervention – cooperation between Russia and China is what MacKinder was so worried about. MacKinder warned the West about Asian integration in 1904 … and now, here it is.
Long ago, I said “Russia and China need to concentrate on economic integration. That’s the one thing the West fears most, is trying to prevent, and that’s the one thing they need to do”.
That’s the locus of the war. This Asian industrial integration constitutes the epicenter of the West .vs. the Rest game.
And now the scenario has been set up, the players are in place, the machinery’s in place, and things are going to move a bit faster than people expect.
Putin may well take a place next to his hero, Peter the Great.
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What the West needs now is to find their own Peter the Great. But first, we have to discard a lot of dead-weight, boat-anchor make-pretend leaders.
Did I mention “boat-anchor”?

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 13 2024 22:40 utc | 64

I claim no special expertise or insight about military matters in general, or about the Ukraine battles in particular.
However, I do wonder whether Russia’s advance in the Kharkov region is intended to draw away the Ukrainian forces defending Odessa.

Posted by: Vandemonian | May 13 2024 22:47 utc | 65

Bidensky has asked the brigades in Donbass to contribute one batallion each to Kharkov. A patchwork defense. Units that don’t know each other, supposed to fight in unison. Against an enemy that does act in unison and has prepared for attacking this particular region.
For once Bidensky doesn’t keep up appearances but is letting the doom and gloom show.

Posted by: Hegar | May 13 2024 22:49 utc | 66

Any update on Surovikin?
Has he been given a proper job yet?
Wonder would the new Defense Min. let him out ‘on loan’ for a while?
I’d take him on. Can think of a few little problematic spots that he might sort out for us …. best to keep mum on the details.
#As for the changes? The Economics of War and Production more or less.

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 13 2024 22:49 utc | 67

Posted by: Peter A1 | May 13 2024 19:32 utc | 31
Thanks for your former opinion and sorry to disappoint you, but that’s my gut feeling, that the insurrection event is not clear at all, and rumours about corruption in the defense ministry are not new, even before the SMO. Let us suppose that the minister himself was not involved, in any case he would be guilty of negligence when his deputy is leading a very extravagant and luxurious lifestyle while a lot of people under their command are dying.

Posted by: Paco | May 13 2024 22:54 utc | 68

It is the question at which moment China is going to reduce its support to Russia.
Posted by: vargas | May 13 2024 20:06 utc | 36
I’ll rephrase it for you as youve got your countries mixed up Mr Las Vagas whatever your called.
It is the question at which moment (the west) is going to reduce its support to (Ukraine).
THERE WE ARE THATS MORE RELEVANT

Posted by: HERMIUS | May 13 2024 22:57 utc | 69

Estonia has some 4‘000 active soldiers.
At the current rate of Ukrainian losses that‘s about 2-3 days.
They have some more reserves… but I gess you get the point.
Posted by: NoName | May 13 2024 21:01 utc | 52
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That would make it a good time for the local Russians, to start their own Baltic republic. With vodka & caviar.
Seriously though the Baltic states will most likely, die on their own due to de-population.
The Western think-tank-media-complex, occasionally farts about Russian demographic issues. Even though the number of people living in the ole RSFSR are higher than in Soviet times.
The Latvian & Lithuanians lost between 25% to 35% of their population, Estonia is doing a bit better but is also the smallest of the three by far. All are much healthier than glorious democratic Banderastan.
If Russia had the same outcomes, you’d never not hear about how apocalyptically s**t their situation is and how the wicked Kremlin regime has (adjusted for scale) cannibalized & run off about 30 to 40 million people.

Posted by: Urban Fox | May 13 2024 23:00 utc | 70

Posted by: kupkee | May 13 2024 19:03 utc | 25
The F-16 is still in production. Turkey just ordered some new ones recently. That said UA is not getting the most modern versions. Not that it would matter.

Posted by: badjoke | May 13 2024 23:24 utc | 71

RE: 🇺🇦 “US Secretary of State Antony Blinken will visit Kiev this week.
Apparently, everything is very bad in Ukraine.”
Posted by: anon2020 | May 13 2024 21:36 utc | 56
Probably Blinken just going to inform Zelensky who the next “Interim” President will be when he expires in the 21st.
Guessing Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pratt will take it from here….
That’s why she left State Dept….
Of course, Juan Guido is also available.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 13 2024 23:39 utc | 72

@ Posted by: Vandemonian | May 13 2024 22:47 utc | 65
Play the board game “Risk” a dozen times with friends (who may become former friends) and many of these moves will make sense.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 13 2024 23:42 utc | 73

Busy today. Have just enough time to swing by for my daily update by anonymous reporting the 000000000000000.00000001? Of Ukraine now owned by Russia.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 23:43 utc | 74

Some time back Macgregor and a few other would talk about a large force sitting in the north, I think from not long after the Russian mobilization. How much of that force is still there I wouldn’t know.
Ukraine or whoever runs the show there appears to be seeing a larger force there. Evacuations from Kharkov and region did begin over a month ago. The current Russian forces in the northern offensive pin a few Ukraine troops and lengthens the killing field but is certainly not a buffer for Belgorod. A buffer would require a much broader front.
Either a much larger offensive from the north for even a buffer and more or this is simply a small move to pin some forces.

Victor vicktop55
@vicktop55
“Nothing has started yet.” The main attack on the Kharkov region is still ahead
Now advanced Russian units are conducting reconnaissance in force in the Kharkov region, said retired SBU colonel Oleg Starikov. According to him, the main forces will be brought into battle only after a bridgehead has been created. And nothing has even begun yet.
“There will, apparently, be three strikes. These are Volchansk, Belyi Kolodets and Velykyi Buruluk, this is in the east of Ukraine. The second strike, auxiliary, will be Liptsy. And the third strike, most likely, will be to the west – Pisarevka, even the Sumy region.” , says Starikov.
SIMPLICIUS Ѱ
@simpatico771
🇺🇦❗️❗️Evacuation from the cities of Belopole and Vorozhba has begun in the Sumy region – head of administration Vladimir Artyukh

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 14 2024 0:20 utc | 75

Paco | May 13 2024 22:54 utc | 68
Best you check which defense roll Shoigu retains and what roll was played by the official charged with corruption. You seem to have little understanding of Russian leadership, preferring rumor and projection.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 14 2024 0:30 utc | 76

Thank you Karlof1 and Tom re cabinet reshuffle. As most of us here see it, this was for the greater good. I am inclined to believe that the new elites (veterans) will be groomed.
I like to add that Shoigu’s move from Emergency to Defense years ago was because of his cleanup of corruption there.
I believe Surovikin is now in charge of the “Afrikan Korp”, I could be completely off track here as there’s no verified reports. This might be his rehabilitation for services rendered. His removal was odd and he doesn’t have the right to wear his old uniform/rank/medals. I am confident he will make amends.
I wonder where S is, he maybe able to direct our attention to reliable inside commentators.

Posted by: Suresh | May 14 2024 0:49 utc | 77

It is the question at which moment China is going to reduce its support to Russia.
Wishful thinking as usual. Xi’s just told both Blinken & Macron GFY.
It is laughable. They always make it sound like by backing Russia China is doing something wrong, like siding with the Dark side of the Force or like a substitute teacher helping out the unredeemable student. Their colonial/imperial mindset never allows them to accept that it is completely legitimate, not only for China but for any other country, to take sides with a power they don’t like or approve.

Posted by: gatobart | May 14 2024 0:50 utc | 78

@William Gruff | May 13 2024 20:25 utc | 43

Shoigu is Tuvan, so likely has some residual Buddhist tendencies. Nothing wrong with that, but perhaps Russia needs someone with bloodthirsty Abrahamic tendencies pulling the trigger on military operations for a little bit.

The Abrahamics are not bloodthirsty, they are pussies, how else did Rome go down when they became Christian and the Mongols went down when they adopted the Muslim religion in the western part of their empire. Buddhists make good warriors, think of the Vietnamese. Here is something about the fighting ethic of the Tuvans
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m3mXfXnp4Tg
I wouldn’t describe Russians as Abrahamic either, they have had stronger influences in them over the centuries.

Posted by: gT | May 14 2024 0:51 utc | 79

Sadly it seems clear to me that surovkin was partially implicated in the prizoghin mutiny. Seems he may have had some good reason for gripes with shoigu or his department. Sent to Africa and to the Caucasus out of politics but Not jailed.
However such a skilled guy will not be wasted. Now the election is over putin and co probably feel it is safe to bring him back.

Posted by: Watcher | May 14 2024 1:02 utc | 80

My view of potted history of conflict.
1. Diplomacy. Rejected by Ukraine. Absurdly so. Think lavrov and possibly put in shocked. Would have returned all donbass to Ukraine but Russia kicked NAto out.
2. SMO Part A. Quick drive to sea of Azov kharkov and Kiev. Force capitulation by Ukraine. Good deal for ukraine. Not as good as diplomacy but still good. Donetsk and lukansk independent. Almost worked in Ankara but UK intervened. Put in surprised because Ukrainian response insane.
3. SMO Part B. Ok let’s be honest here. Russia surprised and confused and badly overextended. Set out to fight but not really ready. Forced successfully into Mariopol but could not make progress elsewhere. Needed to build legal right to be in donbass and to recruit and supply army. Also real fear of NATO invasion. Could not risk too many troops. Used mercenaries but alw.ays dangerous.
4. SMO Part C. Consolidate and regroup. Defend gains where possible but abandon elsewhere. So kherson city and kharkov abandoned. Increase forces,build defences ramp up production of decent weapons.
3. Russ

Posted by: Watcher | May 14 2024 1:23 utc | 81

I know comets are to be forebears of catastrophic changes. However, what does the appearance of the Aurora Borealis in regions far South of its normal range protend?
Anyone care to harp on this?

Posted by: Jerr | May 14 2024 1:37 utc | 82

5. Battle Part 1. Not regally an SMO any more now a battle. Keep building defences and attrition of Ukrainian and NATO forces. Protect the Sea of Azov at all costs. Start to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure which they had been reluctant to do as an SMO. But not yet ready to take on NATO. My guess is that they had kinshal etc but not many. Willing to use but carefully.
6. Battle Part 2. After failure of Ukrainian offensive and Wagner mutiny start to be more aggressive. Secure as much of luhank and donetsk as possible. But slow advance.
7. Battle Part 3. I suspect this has just begun. Recover kharkov.

Posted by: Watcher | May 14 2024 1:40 utc | 83

I know comets are to be forebears of catastrophic changes. However, what does the appearance of the Aurora Borealis in regions far South of its normal range protend?
Anyone care to harp on this?
Posted by: Jerr | May 14 2024 1:37 utc | 82
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Actually, I saw someone somewhere (can’t find ut now, alas) suggest that this more-Southern-than-usual Northern Lights display was indeed the result of HAARP-ing. Does anyone else have better info?

Posted by: John Anthony La Piet | May 14 2024 1:58 utc | 84

Martyanov in his video today praised the analysis that Marat Khairullen wrote on his Telegram today regarding the promotions:

About Belousov and sore points
Professional reaction to the arrival of the new Minister of Defense
Yesterday, the main news sensation was the appointment of the new Minister of Defense Andrei Belousov. I have known this person for a long time, but indirectly – we did not intersect personally, but I followed his activities and wrote about things that Belousov supervised as an assistant to the President.
I can honestly say that with the appointment of Belousov, the flame of my sincere and professional hope flickered [He then beefs about the local censorship in Belgorod related to the apartment hit then continues] So, my dear, when I found out that such a person as Andrei Belousov had come to the Ministry of Defense, there was hope that in a very important area of the information war we would also begin to have positive changes. In a word, let’s wait. And, as soon as they begin, let’s return to this conversation, then I will explain the cause-and-effect relationships.
In the meantime, continuing the topic of the appointment of Andrei Belousov as Minister of Defense, let’s pay special attention to the opinion of the military themselves.
Mikhail Popov (the author of unclassified maps) thoroughly analyzed the personnel reshuffle in the department, starting with the arrival of Serdyukov.
Everything is very clear and verified. Serdyukov’s task was to break the rotten Soviet army system, infested with military clans, thoroughly corrupt and snobbishly closed. He stupidly worked as a lumberjack who cut a clearing.
Kuzhegetych [Shoigu] is a manager who knows how to work with “complex teams” and create something new on the ashes (the creation of the Ministry of Emergency Situations is an example of this). He planted a new forest on the site of the forest burned and chopped down by Serdyukov.
A new Army has been created on strong positive traditions, and the flywheel of this complex mechanism has been launched.
The army entered the period of the World War that flared up again, which would last for more than one year. And during this period, the military-industrial complex and the defense economy came to the fore as an independent leading element.
The country’s defense structure is clearly formed in two directions: Power and Economic.
The Ministry of Defense is not the Army now… The army is the General Staff. The Ministry of Defense is the Army + military economy and industry.
The purely military component in the Ministry of Defense is now dealt with by the General Staff. The minister is a military economy, entry into the military-industrial complex, close interaction with it in the interests of the Ministry of Defense and reconfiguring the entire economy of the country for defense.
Life shows that we have clashed with the West very seriously and for a long time. And the “quiet”, non-public Belousov is a person who (working as deputy prime minister) together with the Central Bank created the iceberg against which the Titanic of
Western sanctions crashed.
This is a man who is privy to the invisible mechanism of economic ties and levers, who pulled the country out at the most decisive moment and gave it an impetus for development.
He has been at the origins of the new Russian economy since the very beginning of the presidency of His Serene Highness and is privy to all the subtleties and secrets of this mechanism, which is visible to us only by a small top protruding to the surface. The main part of this block is hidden and controlled by quiet clever women, one of whom is now the Minister of Defense…
And this person, with his influence, knowledge, opportunities and connections, becomes at the helm of the Ministry of Defense.
He will pump so much fresh air into the war economy that the Army will run this difficult marathon to victory. And this economy will not be fixated only on the needs of the army.
Belousov’s scale is to ensure and direct the energy of the growth of the military-industrial complex to the economy of the entire country, so that the defense industry does not stew in itself, but also has a load on “consumer goods”, as they said at the congresses of the CPSU, so that it drags the development of all structural components of the country’s economy and industry.
And Kuzhegetych will continue to steer the country’s security at a higher level. Now he gets the opportunity to coordinate all law enforcement agencies and organize the activities of all state structures in matters of the country’s security.
Everything is thought out, everything is clear and timely.

Given the West are so poor at Russia watching, its assessment of these moves is probably wrong. The arrest of another General on corruption charges is likely to further confuse. Belousov’s been handed a new toy to improve; and that’s why the meeting between Putin, Manturov and Chemezov I linked above was so important; and thus, Lavrov’s confidence.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 14 2024 2:01 utc | 85

Jerr | May 14 2024 1:37 utc | 82
It ‘protends’ that you are superstitious.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 14 2024 2:01 utc | 86

https://twitter.com/TOMCAT0926/status/1790017687738871958?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1790017687738871958%7Ctwgr%5Ec8a926af818b5735cb21539920f217ba52714160%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.godlikeproductions.com%2Fforum1%2Fmessage5715850%2Fpg1
Wow ! if true. In other news, yahoo uk reports that Snopes calls the whole Biden diary thing authentic. Are big crazy things starting to happen?

Posted by: Eighthman | May 14 2024 2:12 utc | 87

Sadly it seems clear to me that surovkin was partially implicated in the prizoghin mutiny.
Posted by: Watcher | May 14 2024 1:02 utc | 80
I don’t think so. There’s a fine line between a strong nationalism and nationalist extremism. Kadyrov also backed or supported Prizoghin for a time. Wagner according to Larry Johnson was a GRU operation. Much of what they did, at least prior to SMO, would have been closely monitored, if not the initiative, of Putin.
As a civilian/PMC figleaf for the Russian foreign legion, Prizoghin likely performed well or at the very least, satisfactorily. He lost the plot with the SMO.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 14 2024 2:17 utc | 88

karlof1 | May 14 2024 2:01 utc | 85
Thanks for posting that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 14 2024 2:21 utc | 89

Peter
I agree. I said partially implicated not anactive role
Sorovkin is a nationalist and did not like shoigu. Supportive of prizes but not I suspect when it morphed to mutiny.
Never liked or trusted prizzy.self serving mercenary,robably murderer and all.round spiv.
Wanted to be president

Posted by: Watcher | May 14 2024 2:39 utc | 90

“It ‘protends’ that you are superstitious.”
Peter AU1 @86
A magnetic pole shift is not superstition, while CO2 mediated anthropogenic global warming (aka climate change) is superstition.

Posted by: Jerr | May 14 2024 2:45 utc | 91

@ Jerr | May 14 2024 2:45 utc | 91
It portends you and you butt buddy at #84 are thread hijackers
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2024 3:04 utc | 92

@7 “….the power of renewable energy sources, in particular solar power plants, help to balance the system.”
This is complete bullshit by the spokesman, so called renewables (solar/wind) only ever serve to unbalance the grid they exist in. Its inherent their diffuse, variable and intermittent nature. Its up to reliable, dispatchable sources to load balance and stabilize (frequency control) the grid. You wont see anyone bothering to deliberately attack solar and wind installations. It’s a testament to their real value. Apologies for veering a bit off topic.

Posted by: yarpos | May 14 2024 4:38 utc | 93

https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1789683632728371610
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 13 2024 20:41 utc | 47
Interesting graph of electricity production in the world.
You can see electricity production in Europe (excl. EU) is falling. Ukrainia.
But also US and EU electricity production is falling. Hard. Does this mean a collapse in industrial manufacturing, not compensated by an increase in arms manufacturing?
And yes, US and EU GDP is largely fictitious. One thing is counting price inflation as growth. (GDP deflactor vs. inflation).
Another thing: German GDP is predicted to grow 0.1% over 2024. But prostitution, drug smuggling and arms trafficking are counted as part of German GDP. This means an arbitrary number is added to GDP.

Posted by: Passerby | May 14 2024 5:15 utc | 94

“It portends you and you butt buddy at #84 are thread hijackers
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.”
psychohistorian @92
Actually new Western wonder weapons have always been part of the open Ukraine thread. And the Haarp technology may just be one of those. If NATO does come into the fight it will be with a true wonder weapon like the a-bomb.
They’ll deploy Haarp, it’ll destroy alot of things, kill alot people, and then they’ll say “Hey, can’t we all get along?”
And of course a magnetic pole shift would be a big strategy changer for the war too. So I think I’m on thread, many be not the specific item you want to discuss but nonetheless on thread.
However, don’t worry psycohistorian, if the pole shifts and it gets cooler you can always stay warm by lighting you own farts. I think you may have studied that in college and it’s also a renewable energy application.

Posted by: Jerr | May 14 2024 5:16 utc | 95

@Passerby | May 13 2024 18:33 utc | 19

My impression from the region was that Finns were seen by fellow Scandinavians as “Russians”, and that Lithuanians were seen by Russians as “Germans”.

Nonsense. First of all, the Finns are not Scandinavians. Scandinavia is Norway, Sweden and Denmark. However, the Nordic countries are comprised of the 3 Scandinavian countries + Finland and Iceland.
Finland is a Nordic country and has been so all my life. The Finnish language is completely different from the Scandinavian languages (which are mutually intelligible), but many Finns speak Swedish.
The long period of the Finnish president Uhro Kekkonen (died 1986) established Finland as a neutral country and a natural member of the Nordic countries. Certainly, the Finns were not seen as “Russians” from the perspective of the other Nordic countries.
What has happened in recent years with Finland joining EU and now NATO is in my opinion a tragedy for Finlands reputation and long term independence.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2024 5:22 utc | 96

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 14 2024 0:30 utc | 76
Check out Peskov’s declaration about Shoigu’s new role:
Shoigu will be the curator of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, but not its direct head.
Not only that, the agency where he won’t even be the main guy has been detached from the defense ministry and put under the direct supervision of the president.
https://life.ru/p/1658897?ysclid=lw5ya18a2s92034313

Posted by: Paco | May 14 2024 5:28 utc | 97

@kupkee | May 13 2024 19:03 utc | 25

“Everyone” wants to join NATO so the beleaguered American Taxpayer can subsidize Europe.

You must be fun at parties. The US wants “Everyone” in Europe to join NATO so European Taxpayers have to subsidize the American MIC.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2024 5:51 utc | 98

Lots of good comments (and lots of shit ones from re-mobilised the troll army) over the past few day on the Ukraine threads. But so far as Putin and the RF changing ministers etc. I think that Honzo’s remark early on the previous thread is worth taking seriously-
“I’ve been thinking that Putin’s nicey-nice with the west and his coddling of the Orthodox church were in sharp contrast to his actual policies since… 2010, maybe? I didn’t follow that closely before then. I think the core group of people who put Putin in power were communists, and we are seeing, quietly, without revolutionary fanfare, socialist policies in the RF being rebuilt and strengthened. Belousov is a pretty strong indicator that the public posture of the Putin group has been maskirovka. Well, what do you expect from a KGB agent?”Posted by: Honzo | May 12 2024 19:53 utc | 79
His last remark referencing Putin’s KGB history generated a lot of crapp comments, wasted words and time, and is ultimately irrelevant to the Ukraine war at this point in history.
In so far as residual communist (socialist) sympathy and influence may exist within the RF government Honzo is probably correct. But, I note that the largest official opposition party in RF is still the communist party-despite the Western blather merchants trying to promote the immense relevance of the (MI6 sponsored) Nevalny puppets.
I conclude that real socialist orientations still exist within the RF decision making bodies, and hope that these persist and grow in strength. In fact, I would go so far as to state that the continual influence of true socialistic directions within the RF is existential for its survival in the near term (at least).
It is also relevant to note the comment Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 12 2024 19:05 utc | 48
“ Belousov is known for advocating government intervention in the economy and supporting state-led initiatives.
▪️Educated in economics and holds a doctorate, specializing in economic planning and analysis.
▪️Played a significant role in shaping Russia’s economic policies during his tenure in various governmental roles.”
So far as the actual fighting is concerned, who -apart from the RF high command- can anticipate how that might develop. Seems as if the action near Karkov came as an unpleasant surprise to Ukieland- despite protestations that they were prepared for such an event. No (or inadequate fortification), and now having to denude reserves from other fronts to counter the RF. I do not think that Karkov itself is the goal (at this time), but I speculate that RF may be preparing a strong attack South towards Izyum, Kramatorsk and Slaviansk. If this is successful then maybe Dnipro could be profitably threatened from the East bank of the river. I am certainly speculating here, but if there is another (feint?) attack on Sumy which draws off more Ukrainian reserves, then I may be correct.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 14 2024 5:53 utc | 99

Reuters has a posting up with the title
Blinken arrives in Ukraine in show of US solidarity amid Russian attacks
the quote I think telling

On Monday, U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said Washington was trying to accelerate “the tempo of the deliveries” of weapons to Ukraine to help it reverse its disadvantage.
“The delay put Ukraine in a hole and we’re trying to help them dig out of that hole as rapidly as possible,” Sullivan said, adding that a fresh package of weapons was going to be announced this week.

Too little and too late……May 20th is coming when Z loses legal agency in Ukraine.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2024 5:56 utc | 100