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May 12, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-136
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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China has a problem: if nobody wants any thing, China is done. Posted by: Honzo | May 13 2024 3:09 utc | 201 Yet another example for why I don’t buy the claim that he’s an RSH sockpuppet. RSH could be abusive for sure — that’s why he was banned — but he was much too knowledgeable to make a mistake like that. Posted by: Activist Potato | May 13 2024 3:09 utc | 202 Here’s the Gaetz clip I was missing previously.
“Firebrand”. Hmmm. Maybe like “theatrical”? Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 3:15 utc | 203 I’m amused by all the armchair idiots who are upset that Putin rearranged his cabinet after the election. That happens in every western election that I’ve followed the last fifty years; guys who surprised get rewarded, older guys get turned out to pasture gently, and so on. No one bats an eye at the process; it’s all about dissecting the details. Posted by: FrankDrakman | May 13 2024 3:24 utc | 204 I just skimmed the 2030 2036 Russian goals on karls site, looks good. longterm planning along the presidential election time frames. very comprehensive issues, which is what is most stuffed about the west, and the global south lacking the resources or stability to go for such goals. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 13 2024 3:26 utc | 205 Re: Posted by: Michael Droy | May 12 2024 15:28 utc | 4
Nearly complete?!? What?!? Posted by: Julian | May 13 2024 3:28 utc | 206 Reuters is reporting
I am like others that say the Russia is quite restrained in responding to civilian attacks like this but what do I know about the complexities of the SMO and what other sacrifices are necessary Posted by: psychohistorian | May 13 2024 3:29 utc | 207 >wants the U$ to retain the airbase in Niger. Posted by: chronic | May 13 2024 3:31 utc | 208 Sometimes, it’s worth it …. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 13 2024 3:36 utc | 209 chronic | May 13 2024 3:31 utc | 208 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 3:41 utc | 210 I think I know why there are so many short snarky comments on MoA. Posted by: Blind Bridge Troll | May 13 2024 3:41 utc | 211 https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/17/niger-air-force-whistleblower/ Posted by: chronic | May 13 2024 3:49 utc | 212 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 2:01 utc | 181 Posted by: badjoke | May 13 2024 3:52 utc | 213 Re: Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2024 19:38 utc | 67
Absolutely delusional. This thing has many months to run, perhaps even years. Posted by: Julian | May 13 2024 3:58 utc | 214 Posted by: Jmaas | May 13 2024 2:50 utc | 195 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 13 2024 4:14 utc | 215 I don’t think you’re American, otherwise you’d know better than to try to paint Gaetz as a globalist, which he definitely is not. Posted by: UWDude | May 13 2024 4:30 utc | 216 Ha, speaking of librarians, in Asimov’s Foundation series the psychohistorians who eventually defeated the barbarians of the borderlands, and the corrupt remnants of a defunct empire, got their start working with librarians, ones commissioned to help write the Encyclopedia Galactica. Posted by: Babel-17 | May 13 2024 4:40 utc | 217 Melaleuca | May 13 2024 3:15 utc | 203 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 13 2024 4:40 utc | 218 Lavrov’s Dog | May 13 2024 3:26 utc | 205– Peter AU1 | May 13 2024 4:40 utc | 218– Posted by: UWDude | May 13 2024 4:30 utc | 216 Posted by: knighthawk | May 13 2024 4:57 utc | 221
Posted by: unimperator | May 13 2024 5:10 utc | 222 chronic | May 13 2024 3:49 utc | 212 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 5:14 utc | 223 Let’s change the subject and discuss NATO’s objectives, sure the one that gets thrown around can be reduced to “killing Slavs without using own troops”. Posted by: Suresh | May 13 2024 5:23 utc | 224 Hello, Posted by: Carlus Magnus | May 13 2024 5:26 utc | 225 Melaleuca | May 13 2024 3:15 utc | 203 Posted by: Suresh | May 13 2024 5:33 utc | 226 @ Micron #3 Posted by: iMike | May 13 2024 5:39 utc | 227 Posted by: Suresh | May 13 2024 5:33 utc | 227 Posted by: UWDude | May 13 2024 5:40 utc | 228 Posted by: Suresh | May 13 2024 5:23 utc | 224 Posted by: unimperator | May 13 2024 5:42 utc | 229 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 2:50 utc | 193 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 5:44 utc | 230 Posted by: knighthawk | May 13 2024 4:57 utc | 221 Posted by: UWDude | May 13 2024 5:44 utc | 231 We all gotta live with its ***realities*** not behave like the whisky bar metaphor excuses low IQ interactions after dinner (or earlier as suspect might be the case for some!). Posted by: UWDude | May 13 2024 5:46 utc | 232 Putin was in charge of the Soviet archives of the 3rd Reich held in Berlin. His primary job was supervising access to the archives by historians. IE he was a librarian. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 5:58 utc | 233 Lithuania’s Prime Minister, Ingrida Šimonytė, has stated that her country is prepared to send its soldiers to Ukraine on a training mission – both of them /sarc Posted by: Ivan M. | May 13 2024 6:04 utc | 234 @ karlof1 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 6:07 utc | 235 … and not behave as if the whisky bar metaphor excuses low IQ and drunken interactions … Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 6:16 utc | 236 @muh attrition Posted by: Rhymerez | May 13 2024 7:06 utc | 237 If you read the official media of the Washington and Brussels “regional committees”, the war of the collective Middle-earth against “Mordor” in Ukraine is proceeding according to plan and even faster than planned. Posted by: ossi | May 13 2024 7:12 utc | 238 ? Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 13 2024 7:18 utc | 239 Super smart* US Georgetown thinktank says the US is out of them to give without stripping operational units. Posted by: Rhymerez | May 13 2024 7:28 utc | 240 Some time back, Hudson foresaw several decades of war/turbulence. Europe and the west is going to be messed up for quite a few decades even if it no longer functions as an empire. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 13 2024 7:32 utc | 241 @ UWDude | May 13 2024 4:30 utc | 216 Posted by: despondent | May 13 2024 7:38 utc | 242 Posted by: Rhymerez | May 13 2024 7:06 utc | 239 Posted by: Yarpos | May 13 2024 7:53 utc | 243 @Melaleuca | May 13 2024 3:15 utc | 203 Posted by: Rhymerez | May 13 2024 8:02 utc | 244 Oh @ 150
While savage and narrow minded to the point of being mad LeMay actually worked his way up through military ranks and saw combat, granted from 30,000 feet up. Despite all his stink Graham is nothing more than a dingleberry on the ass of American politics. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 13 2024 8:05 utc | 245 The Russians simply walked in, Ukrainian troops in Kharkiv tell BBC Posted by: Apollyon | May 13 2024 8:06 utc | 246 Posted by: unimperator | May 13 2024 5:42 utc | 230 Posted by: Suresh | May 13 2024 8:06 utc | 247 Posted by: Yarpos | May 13 2024 7:53 utc | 245 Posted by: unimperator | May 13 2024 8:09 utc | 248 As that would be the fight they could possibly lose, naturally they are preparing for it even if it seems unlikely. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 13 2024 8:24 utc | 249 Posted by: Newbie | May 12 2024 20:14 utc | 90
@all Posted by: ghiwen | May 13 2024 8:32 utc | 250 Posted by: unimperator | May 12 2024 19:46 utc | 75 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 13 2024 8:35 utc | 251 The western banking/financial system may be imploding at any moment. The obvious instinct reaction is to try to cover up the banking collapse with a war against Russia Posted by: rk | May 13 2024 8:42 utc | 252 Posted by: unimperator | May 12 2024 20:18 utc | 95 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 13 2024 8:52 utc | 253 I see that troll army/NAFO clan is re-activated to dunk on latest Russian govt appointment and *check notes* Russian shelling themselves at border towns. Well done struggling in vain and impotent rage like 404’s shrinking military and fate – micron, nasir, vargas, julian. Posted by: __newbie__ | May 13 2024 8:54 utc | 254 Peter AU1 @ 241
Of course it has otherwise Israel would have nuked them already. That’s the real reason the west has demonized Iran so thoroughly over the decades, so when the time comes the Golden Billion while horrified will accept it as, “they had it coming”. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 13 2024 9:15 utc | 255 So this plan would work only if Europe is so stupid to fight Russia as a proxy for US, lose millions, get all cities in the eastern part erased, then what is left of it go back to US butt kissing forever. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 13 2024 9:31 utc | 256 It’s been some days waiting but the numbers are finally in. Posted by: Newbie | May 13 2024 9:40 utc | 257 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 13 2024 9:15 utc | 257 Posted by: anon2020 | May 13 2024 10:20 utc | 258 The western banking/financial system may be imploding at any moment. The obvious instinct reaction is to try to cover up the banking collapse with a war against Russia Posted by: vargas | May 13 2024 10:25 utc | 259 Posted by: Perimetr | May 12 2024 19:30 utc | 59 Posted by: RB | May 13 2024 10:28 utc | 260 Posted by: Mr B | May 12 2024 23:10 utc | 141 Posted by: RB | May 13 2024 11:04 utc | 261 Willy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnNrbueoLmc Posted by: Anonymous | May 13 2024 11:07 utc | 262 Some background from Sputnik about Andrei Belousov:
So, he’s held government office of one sort or another since 2006, so clearly an “insider” rather than some shock appointment of an “outsider”. In particular, seven years spent as a presidential assistant suggests he is trusted by President Putin as a safe pair of hands for whatever role he’s appointed for. As we have seen for many years, V V Putin is not prone to hasty, rash or capricious decisions; this appointment will have been considered in the usual cautiously logical way. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 13 2024 11:08 utc | 263 Posted by: Newbie | May 13 2024 9:40 utc | 259 “RF total excess mortality for march 2024 is finally in at a paltry 735.” “For those that know my estimates it is a RF KIA month at 1.900 (low casualty month) whilst march saw almost 1.000 AFU casualties per day.” Posted by: ed4 | May 13 2024 11:17 utc | 264 Posted by: Mr B | May 12 2024 23:10 utc | 141 Posted by: snake | May 13 2024 11:33 utc | 265 @266, Posted by: JamesBond | May 13 2024 11:41 utc | 266 But it’s not that. It’s an online, global, free speech comments section full of varying humans. We all gotta live with its ***realities*** not behave like the whisky bar metaphor excuses low IQ interactions after dinner (or earlier as suspect might be the case for some!). Posted by: jpc | May 13 2024 11:53 utc | 267 Considering the level of firepower on both sides, I highly doubt that the numbers in Ukraine are ‘much’ smaller. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 13 2024 12:10 utc | 268 Posted by: Julian | May 13 2024 3:58 utc | 214 Posted by: Boo | May 13 2024 12:20 utc | 269 Posted by: Suresh | May 13 2024 5:33 utc | 227 Posted by: RB | May 13 2024 12:36 utc | 270 Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 13 2024 12:10 utc | 270 “All correlations suggest the RF casualties are indeed MUCH smaller” Posted by: Ed4 | May 13 2024 12:39 utc | 271 Where/how do you get your estimates for excess mortality for the RF? Mediazona long term average is about 100 RF KIA per day. That would mean 3,000 for April. Not too far off from your number. Posted by: Newbie | May 13 2024 12:39 utc | 272 But lol, instead of an “ex-spy”, or an “ex-KGB Agent”, the West can now just belittle him as just an “ex-librarian”!!! Posted by: HB_Norica | May 13 2024 12:42 utc | 273 The best thing to do in a bar is drink your beer and listen. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 12:44 utc | 274 Posted by: JamesBond | May 13 2024 11:41 utc | 268 Posted by: Ed4 | May 13 2024 12:51 utc | 275 Posted by: HB_Norica | May 13 2024 12:42 utc | 275 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 13:01 utc | 276 @ Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 13 2024 4:40 utc | 218 Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 13 2024 13:13 utc | 277 @277, Posted by: JamesBond | May 13 2024 13:26 utc | 278 “Posted by: HB_Norica | May 13 2024 12:42 utc | 275 In 2022, the Putin regime had several major and interlocking goals: Posted by: HB_Norica | May 13 2024 13:33 utc | 280
Indeed, something I have emphasized repeatedly here against gradually diminishing voices.. at first loudly asserting and now softly mumbling to themselves in their beer.. about mighty Maerica, home of the genocide land of the deluded. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 13 2024 13:36 utc | 281 Medizona numbers are for KIA and they run about 100 RF a day. Posted by: Newbie | May 13 2024 13:37 utc | 282 I’ve been reading up on Belousev, the new Russian Defence minister. Posted by: Passerby | May 13 2024 13:38 utc | 283 re sockpuppets Posted by: oldhippie | May 13 2024 13:41 utc | 284 … The loss of Cheap Russian gas feeds from Russia to Europe, Posted by: anon2020 | May 13 2024 13:56 utc | 285 Why tf did you address that to me? What you said was my point. Tell @Honzo and @badjoke to think it through more clearly. Posted by: HB_Norica | May 13 2024 13:59 utc | 286 Sumy getting pounded with arty and bombs right now. My lawn chair private guess – push up to the eastern and southern parts of Kharkov which is what’s been happening, pin the AFU there, move two groups into Sumy, pin AFU there then the other group rolls south to isolate the western side of Kharkov and cut it off. I’ve no idea of the topography, roads, and AFU positions, but giving an amateur look at the map Sumy seems the best way to take Kharkov. We will see, the AFU might be falling back faster than the RF forces had planned which would modify MoD plans. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 13 2024 14:11 utc | 287 Nothing about this war/SMO makes sense. One report is that the Ukrainian frontline is slowly collapsing in the East with Russians just walking in because adequate fortifications were never built. Another report says that Russia has made no significant advances, and the situation is tense but stable. Both reports from the same “side” in this war! What a mess. Posted by: bored | May 13 2024 14:12 utc | 288 We know that Brigade 77 exists. Admitted. Whatcha gonna do? Pretend they are not here? Posted by: Not Ewe | May 13 2024 14:12 utc | 289 HB_Norica@288…..teenager triggered PTSD…. priceless! Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 13 2024 14:19 utc | 290
Lolwut. Canada is a vassal state of Maerica and sure as hell isn’t working ‘against US internet freedoms’ you’re doing very good at that all by yourself thanks Mr. Patriot act. Was Snowden Canadian and I didn’t notice? The hell. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 13 2024 14:24 utc | 291 The 5 eyes have incestuous agreements to get around those pesky little Constitutional questions and just spy domestically on each other’s population. As some say, simples. Maerica is the ringleader. So don’t pose as victim thanks. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 13 2024 14:25 utc | 292 SMO is a bit like StarWars : most will learn decades later what happened in episode 1,2 & 3 … for now I’m hesitant in the title of this new episode : Posted by: Savonarole | May 13 2024 14:27 utc | 293 Lolwut. Canada is a vassal state of Maerica and sure as hell isn’t working ‘against US internet freedoms’ you’re doing very good at that all by yourself thanks Mr. Patriot act. Was Snowden Canadian and I didn’t notice? The hell. Posted by: Not Ewe | May 13 2024 14:40 utc | 294 Lolwut. Canada is a vassal state of Maerica and sure as hell isn’t working ‘against US internet freedoms’ you’re doing very good at that all by yourself thanks Mr. Patriot act. Was Snowden Canadian and I didn’t notice? The hell. Posted by: Not Ewe | May 13 2024 14:41 utc | 295 Lolwut. Canada is a vassal state of Maerica and sure as hell isn’t working ‘against US internet freedoms’ you’re doing very good at that all by yourself thanks Mr. Patriot act. Was Snowden Canadian and I didn’t notice? The hell. Posted by: Not Ewe | May 13 2024 14:42 utc | 296 Posted by: Savonarole | May 13 2024 14:27 utc | 295 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 13 2024 14:43 utc | 297 Posted by: snake | May 13 2024 11:33 utc | 267 Posted by: horseguards | May 13 2024 14:49 utc | 298 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 12:44 utc | 276 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | May 13 2024 14:49 utc | 299
And yet he has often accurately pointed out that Western people don’t hate Russia, rather it’s our elites. I got the feeling – perhaps out of stupidity as you say – that he genuinely wanted rapprochement with the West and thought that the fall of communism presented an opportunity. I also suspect that he is not so much ‘communist’ as Russian, though he may well regard many of the communists as loyal Russians who got entangled with something that went wrong. Russia went through various iterations of communism and is now, in its own way, more like China. Some sort of strong, stable state with a mixed economy (aka ‘socialist’) tied together with ‘Russian characteristics’ and whose guiding principles place the well-being of the people above all other considerations. (Hopefully that’s true; some critics doubt this.) |
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