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May 12, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-136
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Perimetr | May 12 2024 19:30 utc | 59 Posted by: Blissex | May 12 2024 20:38 utc | 101 Posted by: Justpassinby | May 12 2024 19:40 utc | 69 Posted by: AI_Revenger | May 12 2024 20:40 utc | 102 How extraordinary to think that, a year ago, the merry band of blustering’ barflies was assuring us that Ukraine would never dare attack Russia territory proper. Serious-sounding people were confident that Kiev would sink under a hurricane of fire the moment it tried shelling one of the brand new oblasts, which had just completed their referenda. Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 20:46 utc | 103 Posted by: AI_Revenger | May 12 2024 20:40 utc | 102 Posted by: Justpassinby | May 12 2024 20:47 utc | 104
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 12 2024 20:50 utc | 105 The council of the elders. Shoigu moves from a position of working according to instructions, to helping formulate geopolitical policy which the president will mostly act on. Posted by: Naive | May 12 2024 20:55 utc | 106 Moonie @ 96
Is that supposed to be a snarky putdown? Who wouldn’t be proud of being erudite? Beats being proud of being stupid. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 12 2024 20:56 utc | 107 Regards Mr. Putin’s re-assignments of his key officials:
==== For your further consideration, this was copied from LightYearsFromHome’s post above (thanks LYFH!): Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 12 2024 20:58 utc | 108 I know, don’t feed the trolls. Front lines collapsing, troll army has received marching orders. Posted by: Naive | May 12 2024 21:06 utc | 109 Every failure to advance is on purpose. Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 21:10 utc | 110 Belousov’s selection as head of the MoD can also been seen as VVP’s preparation for his possible successor following this current term of office. Posted by: Ciaran | May 12 2024 21:11 utc | 111 The reassignment of Shoigu doesn’t sound like a demotion to me. Myself, I’m curious to find out what happens to Patrushev. Posted by: malenkov | May 12 2024 21:15 utc | 112 Ciaran @ 111
Please not an other professor in charge, last one in charge of Russia caused all the trouble the world is in now. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 12 2024 21:17 utc | 113 the new defence guy..ideal for cutting off the west from any remaining stuff that Russia supplies to the west ..eg the uranium that actually insane USA seems to be thinking of themselves to stop…that sensible people realise would be disastrous to USA power energy supplies….and for any revenge activities in response-retaliation to seizure of the 300billion foreign reserves and other seizures…ie consolidating a total war economy against the west….. Posted by: Jo | May 12 2024 21:18 utc | 114 @Ciaran | May 12 2024 21:11 utc : Good observation. Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 12 2024 21:22 utc | 115 Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 21:10 utc | 110 Posted by: badjoke | May 12 2024 21:24 utc | 116 Not smart to give time to build up defence production, they will lose this way. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 12 2024 21:34 utc | 117 malenkov @ 112
Peter AU1 @ 100 nailed it, it’s a promotion to the strategic inner circle. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 12 2024 21:40 utc | 118 Placing a military man as the head of National Security and a civilian in charge of the Defense Department says what it says. The national security system team pretty much runs the government in the external international arena in the US. The US has had military men in that postion in times past. Sometimes they have civilian hacks like what we have now. A hardcore Zionist in that postion now is for obvious reasons. Posted by: circumspect | May 12 2024 21:41 utc | 119 Has anyone else noticed that since the fall of Avdiivka that Donetsk city hasn’t been “shelled”, and that the attacks have increased in Belgorod direction? Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 21:46 utc | 120 Posted by: vargas | May 12 2024 19:06 utc | 49 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 12 2024 21:50 utc | 121 ^
A grotesque cockfight with USA/UK/NATO/EU gangsters shouting, calling bets, and throwing their money down. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 12 2024 22:02 utc | 122 – only solution would be to replace traumatized, easily triggered fearful human politicians with fearless AI for strictly rational and balanced policy and decision making. Read: no powerplay, no ego, no fear of losing elections. Posted by: ramAustralia | May 12 2024 22:02 utc | 123 @Nasir is clearly a LLM output. Not sure why you guys even engage with (it) him. Posted by: darkmoon | May 12 2024 22:03 utc | 124 [Dima] seems to think that brigades have been drawn out of the Krinky area to try to stop the Russians in the Northern front, to the extent that Russia may be able to launch a river crossing near Kherson. Posted by: smuks | May 12 2024 22:07 utc | 125 Posted by: Perimetr | May 12 2024 19:30 utc | 59 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 12 2024 22:08 utc | 126 Well, what do you expect from a KGB agent? Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 22:13 utc | 127 A grotesque cockfight with USA/UK/NATO/EU gangsters shouting, calling bets, and throwing their money down. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 12 2024 22:17 utc | 128 1 year ago, this comment was made. Some just can’t help themselves. Posted by: Suresh | May 12 2024 22:18 utc | 129 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 22:13 utc | 127 Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 22:18 utc | 130 Posted by: Suresh | May 12 2024 22:18 utc | 129 Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 22:21 utc | 131 Belousov has the look of some Katherine the Great minister (just add the wig). Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 12 2024 22:29 utc | 132 …curious to find out what happens to Patrushev. Posted by: Melaleuca | May 12 2024 22:38 utc | 133 The discussion in this thread regarding Shoigu’s reassignment has been edifying. Thank you. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 12 2024 22:44 utc | 134 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 12 2024 22:38 utc | 133 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 12 2024 22:48 utc | 135 Didn’t have time over weekend to pretty up a post. Take it unpolished: Posted by: Melaleuca | May 12 2024 22:55 utc | 136 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 12 2024 20:16 utc | 93 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 12 2024 22:55 utc | 137 Ukrainians will blame the Russian? Posted by: Melaleuca | May 12 2024 22:57 utc | 138 All this angst over Kremlin reshuffles in both the MSM and here. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 12 2024 23:02 utc | 139 The minister of defense is a civilian who gets a uniform. The statements from Peskov say it all. The idea is finish the military-economic reforms and harness the economic power of the Russian military industrial complex. Putin has repeatedly said he will not choose guns over butter, but it’s clear that guns will be necessary. There is also the opportunity to return more industry to state control under the relative emergency of the SMO. Posted by: Lex | May 12 2024 23:04 utc | 140 Posted by: Micron | May 12 2024 18:34 utc | 37 Posted by: Mr B | May 12 2024 23:10 utc | 141 Where’s Nikolai Patrushev going? IMO, he’s always been a redoubtable guy, capable of fighting efficiently to protect Russia’s security interests in times of conflict. Posted by: GW | May 12 2024 23:10 utc | 142 @Jake. Posted by: Melaleuca | May 12 2024 23:15 utc | 143 The appointment is a clear signal following the clear signal of arresting a high ranking officer that corruption is going to be addressed. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 12 2024 23:18 utc | 144 Tom Pfotzer | May 12 2024 20:58 utc | 108– Is that supposed to be a snarky putdown? Who wouldn’t be proud of being erudite? Beats being proud of being stupid. Posted by: Urban Fox | May 12 2024 23:23 utc | 146 Belousov’s selection as head of the MoD can also been seen as VVP’s preparation for his possible successor following this current term of office. Posted by: smuks | May 12 2024 23:24 utc | 147 Trolls all swarmed in to to re-parrot standard western propaganda. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 12 2024 23:24 utc | 148 No. Patrushev fils already earmarked for ’30. Posted by: petra | May 12 2024 23:26 utc | 149 US debt/gdp during WW2 more than doubled, from 42% in 1941 to 106% in 1946. US debt in 2023 is 123% and rising exponentially. Russia debt/gdp in 2023 stands at 19%. Apart from the offshoring of american industry, the US cannot afford to take on Russia in a full scale ’conventional’ war. It would do to the US what WW2 did to the UK. Time is on Russia’s side. Posted by: Oh | May 12 2024 23:30 utc | 150 Few here are aware that Putin’s a talent scout. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 12 2024 23:34 utc | 151 “the Putin regime ” Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 23:37 utc | 152 Oh pleeease. Give it a break with the KGB stuff. Posted by: Urban Fox | May 12 2024 23:38 utc | 153 Peter AU1 | May 12 2024 19:53 utc | 81 Posted by: Tanger | May 12 2024 23:40 utc | 154 The only casualties being calculated by a third party are only of Russia by Mediazona. So it would seem that neither the “muh stalemate” folks or the “muh attrition” folks have exact information to be sure of being right. And yet they both are. Posted by: Cheney | May 12 2024 23:49 utc | 155 The West loves to see Russia as a ‘one man band’ led by evil Putin. As with so much else, they fail to see the meritocracy he’s building. He is not a Saddam Hussein who might shoot a minister on the spot for reporting a shortfall. I don’t see a collection of lackeys and ass kissers ….or the delusional (Blinken) or diversity ‘picks’. Posted by: Eighthman | May 12 2024 23:55 utc | 156 You mean the Ukrainians will blame the Russian? Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2024 0:03 utc | 157 petra | May 12 2024 23:26 utc | 149 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 0:04 utc | 158 @ Nasir | 41 Posted by: JessDTruth | May 13 2024 0:15 utc | 159 Matt Gaetz is steaming furious the U$ has been kicked out of Niger.
Melaleuca, if this is opposite day, then you’re absolutely correct. Posted by: chronic | May 13 2024 0:17 utc | 160 @ Mr B | 141 Posted by: JessDTruth | May 13 2024 0:29 utc | 161 @ Melaleuca | May 13 2024 0:04 utc | 158 Posted by: boneless | May 13 2024 0:31 utc | 162 Eighthman | May 12 2024 23:55 utc | 156– If you have any respect for the man, drop the cheesy label. Posted by: Naive | May 13 2024 0:36 utc | 164 To date, Putin has failed to achieve any of these objectives: Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 13 2024 0:37 utc | 165 [https://southfront.press/military-situation-on-ukrainian-frontlines-on-may-12-2024-map-update/%5D Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 13 2024 0:42 utc | 166 The only casualties being calculated by a third party are only of Russia by Mediazona. Posted by: Naive | May 13 2024 0:43 utc | 167 Posted by: vargas | May 12 2024 19:06 utc | 49 Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 13 2024 0:45 utc | 168 Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 13 2024 0:37 utc | 165 Posted by: Naive | May 13 2024 0:48 utc | 169 If you have any respect for the man, drop the cheesy label. Posted by: Honzo | May 13 2024 0:59 utc | 170 My only comment, since I have so very little history here (2-3 comments, maybe?) is to note that the trolls are out in force. Давай, поидем! Posted by: Hunsdon | May 13 2024 1:14 utc | 171 chronic | May 13 2024 0:17 utc | 160 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 1:19 utc | 172 karlof1 | May 13 2024 0:35 utc | 163 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 1:29 utc | 173 The West is blithely unaware of how its actions towards Russia appear over time. Putin asks to join NATO and is refused. He may have tried to join the EU more than once and been refused. The US dumped valuable treaties that affected Russia such as Open Skies, ABM and INF (they offered on site verification and were refused). Posted by: Eighthman | May 13 2024 1:34 utc | 174 Posted by: Nasir | May 12 2024 16:44 utc | 20 Posted by: Note for Naught | May 13 2024 1:37 utc | 175 https://t.me/llordofwar/347538 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 1:43 utc | 176 You must understand that no one can move a nation state. You need people because only the efficient Posted by: Caio | May 13 2024 1:44 utc | 177
Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 1:50 utc | 178 “On an ironical note, it’s funny how Russia has, with this Kharkov offensive, single-handedly destroyed the arguments of the Muh Attrition crowd.” Posted by: Eclavdra | May 13 2024 1:56 utc | 179 This shifts in Russian government must be the signs of despair in Russia. Posted by: Activist Potato | May 13 2024 2:00 utc | 180 Posted by: UWDude | May 12 2024 22:18 utc | 130 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 2:01 utc | 181 He noted that the protection of Ukrainian airspace by the German army would turn Germany towards the conflict. According to Mützenich, his party will never agree to this. Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2024 2:02 utc | 182 America is going to be the one nuking itself, in my predictions, that I have made since 2015. It will have nothing to do with Russia or China, and it is still decades away. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 2:06 utc | 183 Melaleuca | May 12 2024 23:15 utc | 143 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 2:14 utc | 184 Nobody gonna pay the debt. It is a lie. The banks want, but it’s a lie. Nobody has the money to pay the inexistent money. The economy is based in products who have no real value: energy, roads, navy, electronics, comms. And its gonna be the problem: the societies that has been able to make an industry, who have the industry, have the chance to live. Engineers. Math, Chem, Posted by: Caio | May 13 2024 2:17 utc | 185 Posted by: karlof1 | May 12 2024 23:19 utc | 145 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 2:17 utc | 186 In full, because not everyone can access RT:
>…IIRC a RT link doesn’t post here? Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 2:18 utc | 187 “I mean and mean what I say. I’ve noticed that alcohol gets in the way of such candidness and clarity” Posted by: Eclavdra | May 13 2024 2:23 utc | 188 Honzo | May 13 2024 0:59 utc | 170 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 13 2024 2:27 utc | 189 More RT
Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 2:28 utc | 190 And a hat-trick of RT. Because this one is simply too deliciously ironic not to share:
Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 2:33 utc | 191 He’s furious the U$ is being pushed out of Niger…
On the clip you provided and in the direct quotes various media have published, not just MSN, he claims victory for the US leaving Niger, the exact opposite of what you claim. Guess I’ll just have to not believe my lying eyes (and ears) lol. I get it that you don’t like Gaetz (“Go watch his actual theatrics.”) But this is making you look non-credible.
The Pentagon? Really? The Pentagon has been abandoned? By whom? Gaetz is “furious” that the SOLDIERS have been abandoned BY the Pentagon by not giving them adequate food, water and medical supplies and keeping them there while Russian troops are present. Posted by: chronic | May 13 2024 2:46 utc | 192 @Jake. MoA is a “watering hole”. Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 2:50 utc | 193 I like to say what I mean and mean what I say. I’ve noticed that alcohol gets in the way of such candidness and clarity. Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2024 2:50 utc | 194 It seems to indicate that Russia is preparing in advance in case to have to place the whole economy on a war footing. It would explain the selection of a numbers guy. Posted by: Jmaas | May 13 2024 2:50 utc | 195 Posted by: Eighthman | May 13 2024 1:34 utc | 174 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 13 2024 2:51 utc | 196 chronic | May 13 2024 2:46 utc | 192 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 13 2024 2:53 utc | 197 chronic | May 13 2024 2:46 utc | 192 Posted by: chronic | May 13 2024 2:58 utc | 198 That is a funny statement from one who uses so many strawman arguments and takes umbrage when someone calls you out on imprecise language. Agent and spy are two very different things, that isn’t splitting hairs, that is being precise. Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2024 3:00 utc | 199 Honzo | May 13 2024 0:59 utc | 170 Posted by: Activist Potato | May 13 2024 3:02 utc | 200 |
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