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May 5, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-129
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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On a more pleasant note, kinda, but more adult serious and unpleasant, a different area altogether, have you seen Dimas latest which seems to suggest the Americans are surpassing themselves in total insanity. What credence do you give that? And do you not think it about time for the dumb ignorant western masses to wake up and speak up? Perhaps via modern technology to wit perhaps: dont-write-to-congress Posted by: vargas | May 6 2024 11:55 utc | 201 Strategy of Russia is to make sure they are impredictible, while strategy in the Waste is to keep their population confused and scared. Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 6 2024 12:02 utc | 202 The State Duma adopted a law banning foreign agents from participating in Russian elections. Posted by: 2+2=5 | May 6 2024 12:05 utc | 203 “If you are reading this vargas, please explain who/what/where you are. You seem to have the IQ, memory, reading skills, comprehension skills of a gnat.” @ unimperator, §213: Posted by: John Marks | May 6 2024 12:38 utc | 205 This Sputnik report claimed first casualties of official French deployment of combat personal to buttress Ukie front lines. Posted by: Surferket | May 6 2024 12:49 utc | 206 @ Babel-17, §136: Posted by: John Marks | May 6 2024 13:02 utc | 207 Willy’s latest: Posted by: Anonymous | May 6 2024 13:02 utc | 208 The tiny percentage that really counts is the small % of Ukraine territory increased for graves, not what Russia conquers. Posted by: Eighthman | May 6 2024 13:37 utc | 209 @b Posted by: not b | May 6 2024 13:48 utc | 210 re: a stone | May 6 2024 9:44 utc | 198 Posted by: Perimetr | May 6 2024 14:08 utc | 211 167 Posted by: Jo | May 6 2024 14:17 utc | 212
Ah look at the tea pot calling the kettle names. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 6 2024 14:24 utc | 213 Posted by: Perimetr | May 6 2024 14:08 utc | 225 Posted by: Justpassinby | May 6 2024 14:24 utc | 214
Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2024 14:30 utc | 215 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 10:51 utc | 206
What kind of reports are you expecting out of a war zone? I’ve been trying to learn what happened in the Rezev salient in 1942 since the mid 1990’s however the Russians still classify that shit … yet you think some youtube vlogger is going to get you reports on battlefield movements 12 hours after it happens?? dream on.
Learn to use information to do your own analysis instead of relying on someone like Dima to tell you what to think. I read the Russian MOD reports as well as reports in Western media … both are full of propaganda and don’t tell the whole story … or they’re not, who knows. Dima’s reports are from the perspective of a Russian listening to Russian social media … of course it’s full of gossip and false reports … just as you’d expect from a war. If you view things from enough angles you can usually get a better idea of what’s really going on than relying on a single source. Posted by: HB_Norica | May 6 2024 14:35 utc | 216 On a subject that I have tried to bring up earlier. Posted by: Newbie | May 6 2024 14:44 utc | 217 There is Hollywood, Kardashianism, there is enough distraction for them. Posted by: Newbie | May 6 2024 14:48 utc | 218 The REAL Attrition Strategy is the bleeding out of the U.S. Treasury- …. Posted by: Oliver Krug | May 6 2024 14:54 utc | 219 For those who haven’t figured it out yet, Jake Blanchard is just the latest re-incarnation of Richard S. Hack… Posted by: Simpleton | May 6 2024 14:56 utc | 220 RE: Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2024 14:30 utc | 216 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 6 2024 15:23 utc | 221 more tanks, beacause … why not Posted by: pxx | May 6 2024 15:29 utc | 222 not b | May 6 2024 13:48 utc | 211 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 15:38 utc | 223 For those who haven’t figured it out yet, Jake Blanchard is just the latest re-incarnation of Richard S. Hack… Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 15:41 utc | 224 The trouble with the YouTube commentariat and their followers is threefold. Firstly, their general understanding of military matters is inter-web deep, and as such they do not understand the broader canvas being painted, for example not differentiating between operation and tactical developments. Secondly, their dear diary’ format, that tries to see every outcome of every skirmish as though it’s of any significance, reinforces the shallow glide angle with which they approach the subject. Finally, the maps they create reinforce the impression that wars are won by simply capturing territory, they are not, they are won by capturing or controlling key terrain, or key points, which can be determined by a methodical analysis of terrain and its impact on the battle space. Posted by: Milites | May 6 2024 15:53 utc | 225 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 6 2024 15:23 utc | 222 Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2024 16:07 utc | 226 Natokraine has made a terrorist attack near Belgorod. Two minibuses of an agricultural company were hit with FPV drones. 6 people died on the spot. Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2024 16:09 utc | 227 @Posted by: Milites | May 6 2024 15:53 utc | 226 nothing, then the whole thing suddenly topples down, most military collapses replicate this illusion, Posted by: Newbie | May 6 2024 16:12 utc | 229 In response to Simpleton@221, Posted by: Skiffer | May 6 2024 16:14 utc | 230
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/96950 Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2024 16:17 utc | 231 John Marks@# 64..May 5 Posted by: aristodemos | May 6 2024 16:20 utc | 232 Many current nation-states which had been colonized, mostly in the 19th Century, but also in earlier times, tend to be hodgepodges of ethno-tribal groupings which are not generic, rather impositional by the colonizing powers in the first instance. Nigeria immediately comes to mind as a nation state which ought to be broken up in order to ultimately recover from colonialist imperialism. Posted by: Newbie | May 6 2024 16:35 utc | 233 Might seem a bit tangential but the sanctions are connected to the SMO and the situation mirrors a lot of what went wrong in Ukraine Posted by: Newbie | May 6 2024 16:48 utc | 234 Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2024 16:09 utc | 228
Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2024 16:50 utc | 235 Well, it looks like I missed out on some fun. Lots of posts deleted (don’t tell me, let me guess), with a reshuffling of post numbers, which is why it‘s a good idea to include the time stamp when quoting posts, not just the post #.
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Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 6 2024 17:03 utc | 236 https://t.me/ZeRada1/19485 Posted by: anonposter | May 6 2024 17:09 utc | 237 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@327 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 6 2024 17:27 utc | 238
Thank you, now it makes sense. Posted by: McAgnew | May 6 2024 17:48 utc | 239 After Great Britain’s Foreign Secretary David Cameron spoke out in favor of deploying British long-range missiles into Russian territory, his country’s ambassador was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry today. There Nigel Casey received an unmistakable warning. Posted by: ossi | May 6 2024 18:12 utc | 240 Veterans often talk about bitter fighting one day, then the next day it’s over, with the cessation being so rapid and unexpected that many of them suffer a severe sense of dislocation. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 18:14 utc | 241 Russia’s Foreign Ministry: Will treat F-16s as carriers of nuclear weapons Posted by: ossi | May 6 2024 18:17 utc | 242 It was the same in Normandy, as soon as the break out occurred the advance to the Rhine was fast. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 18:20 utc | 243 Reality is more banal and worldly, and so the beatings will continue until morale improves. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 18:29 utc | 244 Posted by: not b | May 6 2024 13:48 utc | 211 Posted by: abc | May 6 2024 18:31 utc | 245 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 6 2024 17:27 utc | 239 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 6 2024 18:37 utc | 246 ossi@241….so there are British targets in the Ukraine, that the Russian representative has just threatened…..SloJokeMow….if ever there was. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 6 2024 18:39 utc | 247 The agency further announced that Russia would also respond in a mirror image to the stationing of US short- and medium-range missiles “wherever” and lift the self-imposed moratorium on these weapons. Regarding the further escalation of the conflict in Ukraine, the ministry warned: Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 18:41 utc | 248 I feel like the announcement today of of Russia tactical nuclear drill to be scheduled has been relegated to mere bombastic speech. Posted by: Trubind1 | May 6 2024 18:41 utc | 249 Posted by: Roger | May 6 2024 16:09 utc | 229 Posted by: Milites | May 6 2024 18:43 utc | 250 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@247…. it’s leprechaunese….your either fluent, or English…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 6 2024 18:44 utc | 251 Posted by: RB | May 6 2024 8:51 utc | 180
What are you talking about, what empire, what jihadists, there are no jihadists in that video. They are all members of Russian Armed Forces. Posted by: hopehely | May 6 2024 18:48 utc | 252 Posted by: Milites | May 6 2024 15:53 utc | 226 Posted by: Robert E.Smith | May 6 2024 19:05 utc | 253 The question really is whether or not NATO will lose the war without using nuclear weapons. Posted by: Urban Fox | May 6 2024 19:06 utc | 254 The West is truly going to walk into nuclear war asleep. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 19:11 utc | 255 “I would also suspect that some in the Ukrainian professional officer class are helping the Russians rid their armed forces of the neo-Nazi element. Which might be a reason some Azov battalions have become so battle shy recently, due to fragging or perhaps deliberate blue on blue droning.” Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 18:20 utc | 244 Posted by: Milites | May 6 2024 19:23 utc | 257
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 6 2024 18:44 utc | 252 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 6 2024 19:28 utc | 258 Anyone really think Xi is in Europe to discuss trade? Presidents don’t discuss trade they finalize agreements, underlings discuss and iron out trade. Xi’s only going to France then to pro RF Hungary and Serbia. His trip coincides with German, UK, and French ambassadors being called into to the Kremlin. Also, coincides with RF doing short range nuclear exercises. No point talking peace with anyone but the USA, Xi went to France to talk war, in a few weeks he will meet with Putin in China to discuss what he found, if France is totally on board for Atlanticist war or if the once great power still has some integrity and sanity left. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 6 2024 19:29 utc | 259 Russia threatening to use tactical nukes if NATO enter the war in Ukraine. We live in interesting times. Posted by: Surferket | May 6 2024 19:32 utc | 260 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @ 259
That is the goal, to drain the bath tube and that is going well, but what happens when you are half way through and some dick comes along and starts pouring in a bucket or two for every bucket you bail out? You get very angry. That’s where we are at now. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 6 2024 19:43 utc | 261 Dima: West Backs Off After Nuclear Warning Posted by: vargas | May 6 2024 19:47 utc | 262 RE: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 6 2024 19:29 utc | 260 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 6 2024 19:47 utc | 263 But why would Russia seek to turn off Ukraine’s power supply completely? Posted by: vargas | May 6 2024 19:55 utc | 264 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 6 2024 19:43 utc | 262 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 6 2024 20:00 utc | 265 Posted by: canuck | May 6 2024 19:20 utc | 257 Posted by: Milites | May 6 2024 20:01 utc | 266 Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2024 16:17 utc | 232 Posted by: Paco | May 6 2024 20:01 utc | 267 @Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 18:20 utc | 244
Once the dam broke things accelerated very fast, that is exactly what I am proposing with the “dam” of the massive entrenchments around Donbass – Bakhmut, Pisky, Pervomaiske, Krasnohorivka, Marinka, Novomyhailavka, Avdeevka, NY-Toretsk agglomeration, Vuhledar etc. The many months of attrition have also destroyed the professional Ukrainian army (perhaps 3 such armies in the past 2 years), with up to 45,000 a month now being killed, irreversibly injured, MIA and surrendered. Plus all the equipment and the Ukrainian military industrial complex. While the Russians add men and material every day. Last year’s Ukrainian offensive can be paralleled to the German Operation Luttich, the former allowed for a massive level of attrition of the Ukrainian forces while the latter moved the Germans deeper into the Falaise pocket and thus ensuring their greater destruction.
Also, the widespread corruption that has served to undermine the Ukrainian war effort. The supposed extra defence lines have not been anywhere near fully built as funds were siphoned off into private bank accounts.
Posted by: vargas | May 6 2024 19:55 utc | 265 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 6 2024 20:09 utc | 269 @Posted by: Milites | May 6 2024 18:43 utc | 251
I hope so, the faster the indoctrinated die-hards can be eliminated the faster this conflict can end, and the rebuilding begin. The cancer which is a Western-dominated Ukraine needs to be excised and replaced once again with fraternal Russian-Ukrainian relations, with the Banderite scum sent to Valhalla. LightYearsFromHome | May 6 2024 19:29 utc | 260 Europe launching open war against Russia instead of proxy war is close now. As for the ‘mutual security agreements or military technical means, in Ukraine, Russia has hit Nato were it hurts. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2024 20:27 utc | 272 You seem remarkably well-informed about Russia’s escalatory options being limited. What are the other options you have ruled out? Posted by: vargas | May 6 2024 20:35 utc | 273 Posted by: ossi | May 6 2024 18:12 utc | 241 Posted by: Passerby | May 6 2024 20:45 utc | 274 “Strategy of Russia is to make sure they are unpredictable, while strategy in the Waste is to keep their population confused and scared. “Europe launching open war against Russia instead of proxy war is close now. As for the ‘mutual security agreements or military technical means, in Ukraine, Russia has hit Nato were it hurts.” UK and US have an equal allegiance. In response to Cameron publicly saying UK weapons can be used to strike into Russia, Russia has said they will strike British assets any where, in Ukraine or outside Ukraine. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2024 20:51 utc | 277 “Posted by: Milites | May 6 2024 15:53 utc | 226 vargas@274…..wait, some Russians really said that, ‘open warning’, not demilitarized denazified….but really hinted, nudge nudge, wink wink, if those F16’s, that are nuclear capable, really do show up in the Ukraine…. we’ll jump up and down and stomp our feet, might even pull our hair…that the SMO is at this point, and anyone with five working brain cells knows if Ukie gets da plane, they get da bomb, er….bombs if they ask. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 6 2024 21:14 utc | 279 UK and US have an equal allegiance. In response to Cameron publicly saying UK weapons can be used to strike into Russia, Russia has said they will strike British assets any where, in Ukraine or outside Ukraine. Posted by: Urban Fox | May 6 2024 21:24 utc | 280 Urban Fox | May 6 2024 21:24 utc | 281 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2024 21:30 utc | 281 “Posted by: canuck | May 6 2024 19:20 utc | 257 @Posted by: Urban Fox | May 6 2024 21:24 utc | 281 The BLUFFS become more serious as Ukraine loses more land. Posted by: HERMIUS | May 6 2024 22:05 utc | 284 Its a complete bluff. France and the UK and US will not be sending troops to Ukraine. Its merely an effort to bolster morale in Kiev. Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 22:16 utc | 285 Russia cannot attack NATO countries without going nuclear. Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 22:24 utc | 286 Roger | May 6 2024 21:55 utc | 284 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2024 22:30 utc | 287 Most military collapses replicate this illusion, in their pre-collapse state, hence the, ‘slowly then all at once’, maxim. Veterans often talk about bitter fighting one day, then the next day it’s over, with the cessation being so rapid and unexpected that many of them suffer a severe sense of dislocation. Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 22:31 utc | 288 social transformation must happen inside Russia – Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2024 8:55 utc | 193 Posted by: persiflo | May 6 2024 22:34 utc | 289 Macron has threatened NATO / French intervention if there is a collapse of the Ukrainian Military. Posted by: CitizenSmith | May 6 2024 22:37 utc | 290 Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 18:14 utc | 242 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 6 2024 23:03 utc | 291 That is a great move. The Russians are ‘feeling their oats’ which is an American expression. I don’t know what the corresponding German, nor Dutch would be. The very fact that it is out there for public consumption, IMHO, is a big deal. Posted by: persiflo | May 6 2024 23:30 utc | 292 Jacques Baud Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2024 23:43 utc | 293 There is huge ongoing NATO exercise, (Steadfast Defender) currently taking place, which leaves masses of NATO military assets poised and ready to enter the battle zone. Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 23:57 utc | 294 Soviet Russian military doctrine – something in that that has allowed Russia to evolve from a peacetime combat readiness to a wartime combat hardened readiness. Perhaps its already in the culture… the ability to quickly evolve and adapt on a large scale. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2024 23:58 utc | 295 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 6 2024 23:03 utc | 292 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 7 2024 0:10 utc | 296 In response to and support of the perspective Posted by: psychohistorian | May 7 2024 0:18 utc | 297 Barrel Brown | May 7 2024 0:10 utc | 297 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 7 2024 0:18 utc | 298 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2024 23:58 utc | 296 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 7 2024 0:29 utc | 299 I must say, I find the silence of the western MSM concerning direct Russian military action against England quite deafening. Here are people who fall all over themselves trying to convince everyone that Russia has military objectives against Western Europe, not saying a word about any of this. Same goes for snap nuclear drills. Not even happening. I think it lends credence to Hermius’ bluff theory (sorry, can’t think of a better word). Posted by: Caveman | May 7 2024 0:36 utc | 300 |
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