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May 5, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-129
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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It looks like French troops are taking part in the defense of Chasov Yar… Posted by: Naive | May 5 2024 23:50 utc | 101 The only indicator of victory is when Ukraine officially surrenders and agrees to all of Russia’s terms not some vacuous body counts. Posted by: Newbie | May 5 2024 23:51 utc | 102 He says they should have the right to refuse military service, bc it’s a right enshrined in Germany’s constitution, and bc drafting people unwilling to fight “doesn’t make AFU stronger”. Posted by: Naive | May 5 2024 23:54 utc | 103 Smuks 100 then there is this Posted by: Hankster | May 5 2024 23:55 utc | 104 “Après nous le déluge” Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 5 2024 23:57 utc | 105 Looks like the rats, Blackrock and Pimco, are leaving the sinking Ukrainian ship-they want Ukraine to begin repaying their debt with interest after a 2 year suspension
Chassis yehah now known as Chavroux Bleu . Posted by: Melaleuca | May 5 2024 23:58 utc | 107 canuck | May 5 2024 23:57 utc | 106 “begin repaying their debt with interest after a 2 year suspension” Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2024 0:12 utc | 108 It looks like French troops are taking part in the defense of Chasov Yar… Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 0:12 utc | 109 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 5 2024 15:48 utc | 19 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 0:16 utc | 110 They are mercenaries, and they will die. Posted by: Naive | May 6 2024 0:30 utc | 111 Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 0:16 utc | 110 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2024 0:30 utc | 112 Posted by: canuck | May 5 2024 16:33 utc | 25 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 0:43 utc | 113 Just seen elsewhere the photo of an Abraham’s getting disabled by a 152 shell. Posted by: Newbie | May 6 2024 0:47 utc | 114 sob is really a son of a bitch. He is lying constantly and without shame. Posted by: Naive | May 6 2024 1:06 utc | 115 Posted by: canuck | May 5 2024 17:00 utc | 32 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 1:07 utc | 116 He does not contribute facts, but lies. Like any other pro-nazi agent provocateur. Posted by: Naive | May 6 2024 1:08 utc | 117 Just to let everyone know that BS is SB backward….. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 6 2024 1:08 utc | 118 he shear fervor in SB’s posts projects the desperation of empire…the shit show continues until it doesn’t and then SB will be out of work. Posted by: Naive | May 6 2024 1:12 utc | 119 Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2024 0:57 utc | 119 Posted by: a stone | May 6 2024 1:22 utc | 120 But the collection of cowards and traitors in the Kremlin didn’t have the balls. So here we are, on the precipice of total nuclear war… Posted by: Newbie | May 6 2024 1:23 utc | 121 Thus, the MA (muh attrition) crowd is trapped in the neurosis of sweet lemons. They too, want Russia to break through the front and secure vast swaths of land. Yet this is not happening, so they mentally transform a military quagmire into a wonderland of attrition. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 1:23 utc | 122 Putting Cokeman on a wanted list – I’m wondering if Russia is planning something to pre-empt the UK attack on the Kerch bridge. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 1:29 utc | 123 Heck, Russia could even dress this up as a “peace-keeping mission”! Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 1:29 utc | 124 Might be a tad hysterical but saw a “Redacted” clip whereby the pundit was quoting borrell, macron, as saying EU was at risk and Ukraine only has two weeks before collapse. Assuming the two weeks is the date zelenski is no longer president. FWIW Posted by: Taras 77 | May 6 2024 1:38 utc | 125 So what is Plan ‘C’? Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 1:38 utc | 126 Theme for reflection, false dichotomies. Posted by: Newbie | May 6 2024 1:43 utc | 127 Looks like the rats, Blackrock and Pimco, are leaving the sinking Ukrainian ship-they want Ukraine to begin repaying their debt with interest after a 2 year suspension Posted by: Babel-17 | May 6 2024 1:44 utc | 128 @Naive / “It looks like French troops are taking part in the defense of Chasov Yar…” Posted by: Asian frog | May 6 2024 1:49 utc | 129 The shear fervor in SB’s posts projects the desperation of empire…the shit show continues until it doesn’t and then SB will be out of work. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 1:53 utc | 130 Of course, maybe y’all don’t like math and prefer to consume virtual beers at the “bar”. Or follow mappers like Weeb or Southpoint who give you hopium flavored updates. I mean some people don’t like geography either and seem amazingly unaware of where Odessa is. Or the Dnieper River. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 6 2024 2:00 utc | 131 Soldiers are foreign, officers are French. Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 2:06 utc | 132 SB is back … I missed you, buddy. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 6 2024 2:19 utc | 133 @115 -121 Posted by: Suresh | May 6 2024 2:19 utc | 134 he shear fervor in SB’s posts projects the desperation of empire…the shit show continues until it doesn’t and then SB will be out of work. Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 6 2024 2:22 utc | 135 139: Posted by: Anonymous | May 6 2024 3:19 utc | 136 139: Posted by: Anonymous | May 6 2024 3:22 utc | 137 Ukraine transcends stupidity, it’s stunningly weird. Deliver warm bodies to Krinky and pretend it’s a real offensive. It’s the battle of the Bulge nonsense complete with a lack of aircover and the lack of resources to make it more than a fantasy. And if anyone is crazy enough to persist in failed undersupplied offensives, it just accelerates movement towards final defeat. Posted by: Eighthman | May 6 2024 3:22 utc | 138 You certainly have, Julian. For instance, a massive big-arrow offensive will certainly cause much higher RUSSIAN casualties, and would have a high probability of FAILURE which would cause even more casualties and force a return to an attritional strategy. There is simply no evidence that big-arrow offensives ‘save lives’ as a general principle. And never mind the very real potential of the exhaustion of combat potential in a big-arrow offensive that doesn’t immediately achieve complete victory. That would be an invitation for NATO to get directly involved, and that’s not going to save any lives. Given the fact that the Ukraine has no authentic government but instead a clique of minions of the US/NATO, a ‘complete victory’ in a big-arrow offensive would mean leveling all of Ukraine’s major cities with civilians included. Not a great way to reduce the death count. And of course, direct NATO involvement against a depleted Russia, which was the desideratum of the neocons to begin with, would mean at the very least the nuclear destruction of the western world and Russia. Now, there’s a way to save lives.
So your claim is that Russia’s Big Arrow offensive at the start of the war in February 2022 was a big big mistake and caused huge casualties? Posted by: Julian | May 6 2024 3:51 utc | 139 Re. Z’s arrest warrant Posted by: 2+2=5 | May 6 2024 3:59 utc | 140 McGregor, Ritter, Martyanov have consistently been wrong about how soon Russia would win, but let’s remember they say it with cocksurety! Confidence is everything in a pundit! Posted by: Sparkles Blanchard | May 6 2024 4:05 utc | 141
Ukraine was not as armed and as prepared at the start of the invasion. Use your noodle. Don’t force me to post! Posted by: Sparkles Blanchard | May 6 2024 4:09 utc | 142 Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2024 1:16 utc | Posted by: General Factotum | May 6 2024 4:28 utc | 143 Ukrainian billionaires vacationing in France on their yachts Posted by: ld | May 6 2024 4:36 utc | 144 The Paris 2024 Olympics begins in 80 days, 26 July to 11 August 2024. Posted by: Retaining_H2O | May 6 2024 4:36 utc | 145 Retaining_H2O | May 6 2024 4:36 utc | 153 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 4:45 utc | 146 Posted by: General Factotum | May 6 2024 4:28 utc | 151
Illegally? According to what law and whos legal system? Posted by: hopehely | May 6 2024 5:11 utc | 147 Posted by: hopehely | May 6 2024 5:11 utc | 155 Posted by: General Factotum | May 6 2024 5:26 utc | 148
————————————— Posted by: retroflecks | May 6 2024 5:38 utc | 149 NATO is losing the propaganda war in Ukraine. There isn’t much that they can do IN Ukraine to change the momentum. The obvious choice is to do something OUTSIDE of Ukraine. Posted by: Retaining_H20 | May 6 2024 5:45 utc | 150 Martyanov had a new post on how supposedly Nato had created a ‘red line’ for sending Nato troops in Ukraine. One of them was supposedly Russia breaking the front and Kiev asking for help. Exactly the same what Napoleon-delusional suggested. Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2024 6:07 utc | 151 @ Retaining_H20 | May 6 2024 5:45 utc | 159 who is speculating on the next step in escalation of the Ukraine situation. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 6 2024 6:18 utc | 152
Europe’s problem with having gone over the top with “Russia Hate” PR. Posted by: MAKK | May 6 2024 6:20 utc | 153 My goodness shadowbanned, you should be in the steno pool as a typist! 🙂 All of those back-to-back posts were in two minutes or less. It’s almost professional in its frequency. 😀 Have you considered commentary as your professional job? =) Maybe you type with a courtroom steno typewriter! Posted by: titmouse | May 6 2024 6:23 utc | 154 “During the last six months of amazing advances and fracturing lines (if you follow the clickbait mappers), we have seen this progress by RFA in % Ukrainian territory. ……lots of little numbers ………” Posted by: MAKK | May 6 2024 6:23 utc | 155 The advantage in bombs and artillery and their effectiveness is blatantly obvious, so endlessly coping about stalemate and the like is pure nonsense. Those coping also “accuse your enemies of what you’re guilty of” and endlessly pretend those who tell the obvious truth are coping. The last piece of the propaganda is pretending “sure, these evil governments slaughter millions without blinking an eye, but they would never have a shill post propaganda, that’s a step too far”. Posted by: I | May 6 2024 6:52 utc | 156 …didn’t fall in [arbitrary time limit, always adjusted to be less than the actual time it took] Posted by: I | May 6 2024 6:54 utc | 157 The.main dufference between Russia and Ukraine us that the Ukrainian population see this war as an existential one and the Russian does not. Many young Rissians (liberals) fled the country and they apit in Russia. Posted by: vargas | May 6 2024 7:05 utc | 158 About French troops
and of course NO LINKS for rumors !!! Posted by: ghiwen | May 6 2024 7:12 utc | 159 sob is really a son of a bitch. He is lying constantly and without shame. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 6 2024 7:19 utc | 160 McGregor, Ritter, Martyanov have consistently been wrong about how soon Russia would win … Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 7:19 utc | 161 To All, Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 7:33 utc | 162 Playback speed at 1.25 makes him more tolerable. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 6 2024 7:36 utc | 163 Posted by: retroflecks | May 6 2024 5:38 utc | 158
Alaudinov did not say Русские муджахиды… (Russian mujahedeen) Posted by: hopehely | May 6 2024 7:50 utc | 164 Perhaps the few ineffective French troops in Ukraine are a setup for a major Black Flag event. Russia and Belarus aren’t invited to participate in the Paris Olympics. Posted by: Urban Fox | May 6 2024 7:56 utc | 165 @shadowbanned Posted by: Moscow Exile | May 6 2024 7:58 utc | 166 fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | May 6 2024 7:59 utc | 167 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 5 2024 15:48 utc | 19 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 6 2024 8:02 utc | 168 Where is your evidence that there were Big Russian casualties during this Big Arrow offensive? Posted by: Newbie | May 6 2024 8:07 utc | 169
Posted by: Down South | May 6 2024 8:14 utc | 170 Ha, I have to wonder at the superb timing of the upload of The Pentagon Wars to YouTube. Free to watch, 1080p, no ads, and with optional closed captions. Posted by: Babel-17 | May 6 2024 8:16 utc | 171 … It is not about making afu stronger, it is about killing as many ukrainians as possible. It is to empty the country. Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2024 8:17 utc | 172 It’s not clear how exactly the lines will collapse given that Ukraine is still plotting counteroffensives and is sending men to their deaths in their hundreds and thousands across the river, and is even trying to expand those operations. Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 8:32 utc | 173 Re: Posted by: psychohistorian | May 6 2024 6:18 utc |
A complete fantasy – you’re as bad as McGregor or Ritter! Posted by: Julian | May 6 2024 8:37 utc | 174 This is not WW2, just as WW2 was not the Patriotic War of 1812. Though I suppose there may have been some people, in the USSR, who wondered why the Nazis had not already been driven out in the same six months that Napoleon was driven out. Those people would learn that 1942 was a different war. Posted by: a stone | May 6 2024 8:40 utc | 175 Already it is reported that 100 bodybags returned . Posted by: rk | May 6 2024 8:43 utc | 176 Seven diarrhea attacs in a row from shitspammer … and then one more … sigh Posted by: Avtonom | May 6 2024 8:49 utc | 177 Either the lines are going to collapse and Russia will just walk to the Polish border, or this will take forever. It’s not clear how exactly the lines will collapse given that Ukraine is still plotting counteroffensives and is sending men to their deaths in their hundreds and thousands across the river, and is even trying to expand those operations. Which means they still have plenty of resources to burn. Posted by: Waldorf | May 6 2024 8:50 utc | 178 Posted by: hopehely | May 5 2024 18:58 utc | 57 Posted by: RB | May 6 2024 8:51 utc | 179 Chritoforou keeps it tight and still gets my views. Posted by: RB | May 6 2024 9:09 utc | 180 The bridges with the West must be irreversibly burnt with certain types of kinetic action. Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 9:19 utc | 181 Russia’s response to Macron: Posted by: KingCobra | May 6 2024 9:36 utc | 182 Putting Cokeman on a wanted list – I’m wondering if Russia is planning something to pre-empt the UK attack on the Kerch bridge. Posted by: Glen Batterham | May 6 2024 9:43 utc | 183 Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2024 8:55 utc | 193 Posted by: a stone | May 6 2024 9:44 utc | 184 Russia testing nuclear weapons in response to West possibly sending troops to Ukraine Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 9:49 utc | 185 If you are reading this vargas, please explain who/what/where you are. You seem to have the IQ, memory, reading skills, comprehension skills of a gnat. Posted by: vargas | May 6 2024 9:53 utc | 186 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 7:19 utc | 170 Posted by: Sparkles Blanchard | May 6 2024 9:56 utc | 187 If you are reading this vargas, please explain who/what/where you are. You seem to have the IQ, memory, reading skills, comprehension skills of a gnat. Posted by: arthur brogard | May 6 2024 10:23 utc | 188 The United States has stepped up efforts to find an alternative to Zelenskyj as president of Ukraine,-Russian Foreign Intelligence Service Posted by: 2+2=5 | May 6 2024 10:30 utc | 189 James M. | May 6 2024 9:49 utc | 199 Posted by: KingCobra | May 6 2024 10:45 utc | 190 Russians are gonna hunt the French troops like there will be no tomorrow. The faster they send back all troops in body-bags the better. Russian can’t allow a single natostan force to settle , better making an example than a precedent… and Fast. Posted by: Savonarole | May 6 2024 10:46 utc | 191 Posted by: vargas | May 6 2024 9:53 utc | 200 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 10:51 utc | 192 Posted by: vargas | May 6 2024 9:53 utc | 200 Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 10:57 utc | 193 This means that the Russian army finally realized that it has to do something to induce a bit of fear in NATO, that otherwise Russia would fail. So that is all I was talking about. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 10:58 utc | 194 This new SBonslaught – is it a way to celebrate Victory Day? In the wake of new atrocities to incite painful reactions like should have happened before! presidential elections in Russia? Posted by: js | May 6 2024 11:05 utc | 195 Posted by: KingCobra | May 6 2024 10:45 utc | 204 Posted by: James M. | May 6 2024 11:10 utc | 196 The United States has stepped up efforts to find an alternative to Zelenskyj as president of Ukraine,-Russian Foreign Intelligence Service Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 11:29 utc | 197 @Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 11:29 utc | 211
It looks to me that you didn’t have time to listen what Victoria “fuck EU” Nuland had to say about Ukrainian elections. Posted by: 2+2=5 | May 6 2024 11:41 utc | 198 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 11:29 utc | 211 Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2024 11:43 utc | 199 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 6 2024 10:58 utc | 208 Posted by: RB | May 6 2024 11:44 utc | 200 |
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