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May 12, 2024
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2024-135

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

Palestine:

Ukraine:

Empire:


Other issues:

Russia:

Africa:

China:

> However, Baerbock and her far-right party are heavily biased in ideology, prioritizing values and security risks over economic cooperation, conflicting with Scholz's advocacy for pragmatic cooperation with China, Liu noted.

As a result, cooperation between Germany and China could face various disruptions, something that is supported and welcomed by the US, Liu warned. <

Boeing:

Use as open (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) thread …

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Pepe’s first reflections about ‘spirit’ are a reminder for me of Genesis, and that ‘the spirit of God moved above the waters.’ Good going, Moses! He was a tad before the medievals.

Posted by: juliania | May 13 2024 13:54 utc | 101

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 13 2024 12:00 utc | 94
“The problem isn’t the Chinese, it’s Capitalism.”
I believe that it’s neither….
Capitalism and Trade are the bedrock of every successful civilisation….. Human labour therefore is capital as is the knowledge passed along in expertise. Money on the other hand is NOT capital. It is also NOT wealth….
The great western potteries, around Stoke on Trent in England , the ‘great’ names and fortunes that it created – also were ‘borrowed’ technologies from the Chinese, the bone-China, fine pottery methods amongst many technologies stolen from there – as a side effect they did give rise to certain family fortunes which gave some great minds – Darwin for example. When he’d got over his god delusion Sky fairy nonsense due to his rigorous research which proved geology and natural selection .. the scientific method being the greatest civilisational result of the Anglo European centuries – a system that allows the equality of humans based on ‘understanding truth’ not of some claimed inherent superiority of a deity and its human representatives who have god given rights to do what the fuck they like with the majority of not just their peoples but ALL humanity.

1. Labour is not ‘capital’ according to marxist theory, which mainly defines ‘capitalism’?** I thought the whole point was to distinguish capital from labour – why Germany’s real-world results in the 1930’s disturbed both capitalists and communists since ‘nationalist socialism’ valued the latter over the former.
2. Natural selection has been entirely refuted using Darwin’s own criteria. (The microscope and then DNA buggered him, basically.) Natural selection doesn’t explain the extraordinarily complex design of either the cell or the eye (his proffered example), let alone the undeniable stability of various species among whom nearly all genetic changes are not passed on (being lame, blind, deaf, six-fingered, two-headed etc.) His theory cannot explain such stability, let alone the absence of ‘intermediates’ from the fossil record nor alive in the world today for all to see.
Plus my own personal objection: if natural selection is the main driver of different species corporeal configurations, why do mosquitoes make that ghastly whining sound alerting you to their presence before they bite? Surely the only reasonable explanation is a beneficent sky god providing the bit-ee with a sporting chance to wack the bit-er into blessed oblivion before they suck your blood to make their babies; no?
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The initial use of the term “capitalism” in its modern sense is attributed to Louis Blanc in 1850 (“What I call ‘capitalism’ that is to say the appropriation of capital by some to the exclusion of others”) and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon in 1861 (“Economic and social regime in which capital, the source of income, does not generally belong to those who make it work through their labor”).[23]: 237  Karl Marx frequently referred to the “capital” and to the “capitalist mode of production” in Das Kapital (1867).[29][30] Marx did not use the form capitalism but instead used capital, capitalist and capitalist mode of production, which appear frequently.[30][31] Due to the word being coined by socialist critics of capitalism, economist and historian Robert Hessen stated that the term “capitalism” itself is a term of disparagement and a misnomer for economic individualism.[32] Bernard Harcourt agrees with the statement that the term is a misnomer, adding that it misleadingly suggests that there is such a thing as “capital” that inherently functions in certain ways and is governed by stable economic laws of its own. [wikipedia: capitalism]

FWLIW I agree with Harcourt: the term ‘capital’ is a concept believed in rather than anything substantive. Materialists are always putting up such conceptual straw men and then haranguing theists for (deliberately) ‘believing’ in non-material qualities upon which some poetically adorn with beards and other fancy dress costumes.

Posted by: scorpion | May 13 2024 14:53 utc | 102

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 13 2024 12:00 utc | 94
Tried several times but cannot reply. Oh well!

Posted by: scorpion | May 13 2024 14:53 utc | 103

Colombia, Israel, US death squad history
I continue to be mindblown that Colombia’s president Petro and his (Black female) vp are still alive and apparently leading Latin America’s resistance to Empire going on 2 years now. Consortium has re-published a 3 year old piece by Dan Cohen revealing in great detail Israel’s key role in setting up death squads in the mid 1980s in Colombia. In a nutshell, Colombia’s oligarchs negotiated a peace treaty with FARC resistance and then assassinated leaders with Israel’s guidance, dovetailing with US Plan Colombia touted by well known cheerleaders during the 90s: Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, Liebermann, Kerry, Dodd, Gore, both Bushies and their neocon cult members.
All Latin American leaders and citizens are viscerally aware of the Israeli/US (CIA) program which targets each of them and continues to tip the power balance throughout the region with assassination alongside color revolutions and election rigging. Cohen’s piece is the blueprint.
bottom line, Petro is doing massive damage to Israel and US imperial evil doings by his strong and vocal positions which points to a fracturing of power among the bad guys. Mexico’s June 2 election is now poised to be a blowout for AMLO’S successor (second link below)which will further boost Latin America’s BRICS future chain.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/05/13/the-secret-history-of-israels-role-in-genocide-in-colombia/
Pants on fire report of polls showing AMLO’S successor Claudia Scheinbaum widening her lead.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-mexican-election-poll-sheinbaum-lead-widens-time-runs-out-galvez/

Posted by: migueljose | May 13 2024 15:00 utc | 104

Posted by: migueljose | May 13 2024 15:00 utc | 103
Thanks. Interesting.
Functionally speaking viz international policies and actions there is no difference between ‘Israel’ and ‘the US’.

Posted by: scorpion | May 13 2024 15:23 utc | 105

Thanks for the replies. I remain puzzled as to why some are prevented from commenting as being a subscriber, paid or not, isn’t a requirement.
migueljose | May 13 2024 15:00 utc | 103–
Thanks much for the news you provided. I have a Colombian friend at VK who has provided some insights. If properly led, Mexico could become a geoeconomic competitor.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2024 15:38 utc | 106

There is so much disgust over the genocide in Gaza that I suspect Jill Stein will get a lot more votes than she did in her previous runs. She still probably won’t win, but at least voting for her is a way to register disapproval of the genocide.

Posted by: Lysias | May 13 2024 16:05 utc | 107

@ migueljose | May 13 2024 15:00 utc | 103
thanks for that.. i didn’t realize israel was on the ground floor of much of that from the 80’s…
@ Lysias | May 13 2024 16:05 utc | 106
i heard she owns shares in raytheon and has the typical knee jerk response on the ukraine situation… i am sure she is better then biden or trump, but i think even if she were to get somewhere, it would be more of the same…

Posted by: james | May 13 2024 16:08 utc | 108

Justin Trudeau’s brother on Tucker Carlson discussing his brother and the vaxx.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1789686975458341301

Posted by: Thurl | May 13 2024 16:11 utc | 109

https://timellison.substack.com/p/anthropogenic-global-warming-iv
Short article with telling chart showing last century’s temperature change in very long-term context. (via sitrepword)

Posted by: scorpion | May 13 2024 16:26 utc | 110

“This will make you think”
Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2024 2:02 utc | 65
Thanks for the post Karl. Yes, this definitely made me think. I thought of Jabr, the root word for algebra. In its most definitive form and very Islamic in nature, it means determinism, the philosophical view that all events in the universe, including human decisions and actions, are causally inevitable.
There is a sect called Jabriyoun (unfortunately I can’t find much on the web on it, with any kind of spelling) which believes in determinism.
The following from al-islam.org

What Is Islam’s Perspective With Regards To Jabr (Compulsion) And Ikhtiyar (Free-Choice)?
This problem is an ancient issue that had been the bone of contention of scholars; a group advocating freedom of will while another supporting compulsion and each of them presenting proofs to substantiate their viewpoints.
But interestingly, in practice, both these groups have formally recognized and accepted the notion of choice and freedom of will. In other words all these debates are only within the periphery of theoretical discussion and not in practice, clearly revealing that the concept of freedom of will is inherent to every person. And were it not for the various insinuations and whisperings, everybody would have supported this concept.
This general conscience and universal innate – one of the most lucid of all the proofs for ikhtiyar (freedom of choice) – manifests itself in various forms in man’s life; if man considered himself to be compelled in the performance of his deeds and to not possess any choice, why is it that: At times, as a result of performance or non-performance of an act, man experiences a sense of regret, and resolves to utilize his experience in the future. This state of regret occurs numerously for those who advocate the concept of jabr (compulsion); if there is no ikhtiyar, why this rue and remorse?
Everyone rebukes and censures the evil-doers; if there is jabr, why should they be rebuked in such a manner?
Those who do good deeds are praised and commended?
Everyone strives to educate their children in order that they become successful and fortunate; if everyone is compelled (in the performance of his deeds); what is the point in educating them?
All the scholars, without exception, exert themselves for the purpose of raising the standard of ethics in society?
Man expresses repentance over his blunders; if the concept of jabr is accepted, repentance becomes meaningless.
Man rues his shortcomings; why?

https://www.al-islam.org/180-questions-enquiries-about-islam-volume-2-various-issues/15-what-islams-perspective-regards-jabr

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 13 2024 16:35 utc | 111

Sakineh Bagoom | May 13 2024 16:35 utc | 111–
Thanks for providing that discussion. Indeed, if Destiny is predetermined, then why question one’s Fate or one’s responsibility for one’s actions; whereas if Free Will overrules Destiny, then Fates are subjective and thus one becomes accountable and responsible for one’s deeds. There cannot be both at the same time; it’s either one or the other. Certainly a very sharp point of discussion.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2024 17:33 utc | 112

Re: Mexican Election
It’s unlikely that someone named AMLO’S successor Claudia Scheinbaum would ever support BRICs nor independence from Washington. She’s very proud to be a ethnic Askanazi

Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 17:47 utc | 113

@ Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 17:47 utc | 113
I hate to be anti-semitic, but that certainly sounds inauspicious.

Posted by: Featherless | May 13 2024 18:38 utc | 114

@ Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 17:47 utc | 113
I hate to be anti-semitic, but that certainly sounds inauspicious.

Posted by: Featherless | May 13 2024 18:38 utc | 115

Measure once, cut thrice.

Posted by: Featherless | May 13 2024 18:39 utc | 116

Certainly a very sharp point of discussion.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2024 17:33 utc | 112
And then there is Robert Sapolsky.
(For those who have 53 minutes to watch and time to contemplate.)

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 13 2024 18:49 utc | 117

Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 17:47 utc | 113
Wife told me yesterday about reputable journalist-author in whose recently published book she details how AMLO is in bed with Sinaloa cartel and his sons are in bed with a different one, in Jalisco I think (sorry, forgot).
Apparently, this author’s reportage is so good that all gangsters in Mexico buy her books because they learn so much about their rivals in them. First run sold out in days.
A long time ago my wife was a part-time activist for AMLO, but in past few years she and many of her artist friends have changed their minds about him, mainly in their case because he totally gutted arts funding which many artists depend upon. But also these corruption stories which regularly pop up from time to time. Many have noticed how rich his family has become since he finally got in as President.
I like Mexican politics. Because most people here know it’s a complete con. Far too many people in America still believe. I believe too to a certain degree; the aspirations of the people at some point matter; it might take time and might be occluded and distorted but generally speaking I believe what the people wish does effect outcomes. But it is a very muddled process, that’s for sure. And of course the bad guys get what they want most of the time too…

Posted by: scorpion | May 13 2024 19:07 utc | 118

karlof1@112 “Indeed, if Destiny is predetermined, then why question one’s Fate or one’s responsibility for one’s actions; whereas if Free Will overrules Destiny, then Fates are subjective and thus one becomes accountable and responsible for one’s deeds. There cannot be both at the same time; it’s either one or the other.” Strictly speaking, “predetermined” does not mean predictable, nor does it mean fated. The better word might be “determinate,” as in, real. The indeterminate, the undetermined, is almost a synonym for the illusory, the unreal.
Partly the will is like the hurricane caused by a butterfly flapping its wings in Rio. But maybe it’s Chicago? Besides, which butterfly in either? Like the weather our decisions are determined by prior events every step of the way, yet we cannot possibly know all the relevant data, so we can’t predict. On top of that, some events are probabilistic. If you could turn back time, maybe some random variation in your blood sugar could lower the chances you might lose your temper. The real question is why so many people are somehow convinced that acknowledging the facts of how brains work would somehow take away some freedom. The real restraints on keeping you from doing what you want are external, other people and their laws and institutions as well as the material necessities imposed by physical nature. Most versions of free will imply such absurdities as, you can will your appetites away or keep yourself awake. We simply are not aware of all that goes into our choices, but we don’t need to be. It even seems more likely that if we were somehow consciously thinking all that goes into choices we couldn’t complete any thoughts much less act!
Personally I wish I could adjust my feelings but the best I can do is try to cultivate a habit (or break one I would rather not have.) Habits are not acts of free will in any sane person’s view, not so far as I can see. Acts in the moment simply are not in the kind of control alleged. It’s much more plausible to allege that thinking about abstract matters, as in solving problems or creating new ways of doing things are willed…but everyone knows those aren’t summoned on a whim. The power of reason provides the only real freedom of thought in the end. It’s tragic there are so many who dislike abstract thinking and reject argument as merely tedious, they hurt themselves most I think. It’s criminal that so many reject reason, falsely elevating their individual feelings above other people.
There is a further confusion, that the lack of some sort of incoherent supernatural guilt, means no one can be punished for wrongdoing. This is illiterate nonsense, no matter how popular. Deterrence is a social action, not a product of free will and is not determined by a seemingly infinite past of immeasurable brain events. By the way, events in the brain are inseparable from the rest of the body (again, no supernatural “soul”) and the body is inseparable from personal biography and social past, including not just formal education but the lessons of experience. The only serious issue I know of in trying to cobble up some weird “free will” compromise with superstition and science is to try to justify retribution, not deterrence.
Worse, the lust for vengeance also infects those whose deranged notions of free will lead them to escalate punishment. Being deterred is not a rational choice. Tormenting people, running prisons like torture chambers, cannot deter because being deterred is no more an act of free will than any other choice. That’s why executing everybody doesn’t stop crime. That’s why locking everybody up doesn’t stop crime. That’s why criminalizing people’s feelings is tyranny. That’s why worshipping some billionaire who’s going to “save” us from people with weird sexual feelings, most of whom are actually ordinary working people (as most people are!) is so depraved. Class collaboration in the name of social conformity is not justified by gibberish about free will.

Posted by: steven t johnson | May 13 2024 20:01 utc | 119

Scorpion @ 102:
The fossil records of particular species of animals such as horses, whales and elephants, and even of an entire class of animals (birds), show how they have evolved over millions of years.
In the example of whales, the fossil record shows many species intermediate between the original land-dwelling ancestor (a small mouse-deer creature known as Indohyus) to the streamlined sea dwellers today. The transition from Indohyus to fully marine cetaceans was rapid and took place almost entirely within the Eocene epoch (about 50 million to 35 million years ago?) of the Palaeogene period. I understand most such fossils have been found in an area from Egypt through western Asia to Pakistan, which way back in the Eocene was open sea (known as the Tethys Sea).
Mosquitoes buzz because this helps male mosquitoes find female mosquitoes to mate with. (Femsle mosquitoes buzz louder than males do.)
The theory of evolution, used in conjunction with all the knowledge and information that palaeontologists have collected and analysed, does have predictive capability: when rocks some 300 million years in age were uncovered in Greenland as a result of warmer climates, scientists predicted fossils of animals intermediate between fish and amphibians could be present in those rocks. Eventually a team started digging in those rocks and did actually uncover fossils of such an animal which is now named Tiktaalik.
BTW your comment seemed extraordinarily lacking in any interest in the natural world.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 13 2024 20:59 utc | 120

@scorpion 118
it is a very muddled process, that’s for sure. And of course the bad guys get what they want most of the time too…
Only most of the time?
re the book: What’s The Matter With Kansas
book review from Amazon. . . .
The New York Times bestseller, praised as “hilariously funny . . . the only way to understand why so many Americans have decided to vote against their own economic and political interests” (Molly Ivins).

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 13 2024 20:59 utc | 121

De-dollarization update from Escobar:
https://en.sputniknews.africa/20240513/1066527607.html

As it stands, the major takeaway is that the Unit should be seen as a feasible, technical solution for the theoretically Unsolvable: a globally-recognized payment/trade system, immune to political pressure. It’s the only game in town – there are no others.

It seems to rely on a combination of blockchain ledger but it is not totally decentralized.

Welcome to The Unit – a concept that has already been discussed by the financial services and investments working group set up by the BRICS+ Business Council and has a serious shot at becoming official BRICS+ policy as early as in 2025.
According to Alexey Subbotin, founder of Arkhangelsk Capital Management and one of the Unit’s conceptualizers, this is a new problem-solving system that addresses the key geoeconomic issue of these troubled times: a global crisis of trust.
He knows all about it first-hand: a seasoned financial professional with experience in investment banking, asset management and corporate matters, Subbotin leads the Unit project under the auspices of IRIAS, an international intergovernmental organization set up in 1976 in accordance with the UN statute.

I don’t know much about this IRIAS. Questions: could it be infiltrated by the US or somehow compromised? If not, this may be a big threat to the dollar and the only thing left for the empire to do would be to try and color revolution countries that adopt the Unit.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 13 2024 21:42 utc | 122

Drive-by comment on fate and free will. Not really entering into any debate or replying to anything in particular.
The two seem opposed from the human perspective. The human perspective is rooted in the constraint of space-time: “the arrow of time” and entropic/one-way experience of causality.
Like most of what we humans see as paradoxical the entire problem disappears if one tries to adopt the perspective of God (the supreme being, as a thought experiment or as reality —it doesn’t matter for the purpose of explanation) which is not constrained by space-time. In such a perspective one can see all time (and space-time) both at once and forwards and backwards and in any way one chooses as well as in all possible ways from all possible perspectives (of all life and points in space) simultaneously.
Yes we are so limited we can not truly comprehend such a different context nor grasp that for such an entity it is below trivial, however: in this adopted perspective fate is nothing but the sum of free will, and free will is the construction of fate. All the choices and all the outcomes are known.
There is no conflict or paradox at all, only our limitations of mostly (naturally occurring) preconceived notions. If whoever reads this understood what I tried to write then they have already broken through it 🙂
If one doesn’t understand what I wrote then I probably can’t help and someone else can have a go at explaining it.
It’s not clever or smart, it just needs someone to say it 🙂 (and maybe at some point it will become obvious to most people, that would be nice).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 13 2024 23:00 utc | 123

@ Ghost of Zanon | May 13 2024 21:42 utc | 122 with the Pepe link…thanks!!!!!!!!
I have been waiting for words like the following….a stake in the ground

It is indeed a new concept in terms of an international currency – anchored in gold (40%) and BRICS+ currencies (60%). It is neither crypto nor stablecoin

I have the unitfoundation.org web site open but I haven’t explored it yet. I did get enough from the article to make a comment about what is going on.
Folks need to disconnect blockchain ledger technology from the non-sovereign crypto currency world which will now die.
There are two types of blockchain, permissioned and permissionless. The non-sovereign crypto currencies use permissionless blockchain, don’t scale for shit, are privately owned/controlled like the fiat US dollar….both of which are soon to crash.
Permissioned blockchain (perhaps the Unit has this “fractal” enhancement) is what sovereign nations are using to instantiate and manage crypto currencies….they scale and I will report back o the whole fractal thing around the Unit.
I like that they are calling the Unit apolitical money…..this is not the straw but the sledgehammer breaking the God Of Mammon’s back.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 13 2024 23:06 utc | 124

I am reading the White Paper at the unitfoundation.org web site and will give barflies this to chew on with their libation as I continue reading

Fractal design ensures that the composition of each UNIT token’s basket of underlying assets (or “reserve basket”) is invariant across the nodes of the network as it scales. The intrinsic value of each UNIT token always remains proportional to the total value of the UNIT reserve basket measured in gold and is expected to remain less volatile than the value of any of the components of the basket.
The UNIT token is not a cryptocurrency since the intrinsic value of each UNIT token is linked to a basket of underlying assets, which includes 40% gold. At the same time, the UNIT token is not a stablecoin, since its value is not directly derived from the basket of underlying assets and by design, there no mechanism for reverse conversion of the UNIT into the basket of underlying assets. After an initial period, the market value of UNIT tokens is expected to become primarily a function of supply and demand, not of the value of the underlying basket.
New UNIT tokens can be emitted (or “minted,” the terms used interchangeably in this document) at UNIT nodes in exchange for depositing assets corresponding to the current value of the UNIT reserve basket, measured in gold. Minting is decentralized and is performed according to the UNIT governance rule-book, in the absence of constant coordination among issuers of the underlying currencies.
The integrity of the UNIT ecosystem is preserved by blockchain-based node synchronization and elimination of the need to re-balance gold holdings between UNIT nodes, thus minimizing costs and risks. UNIT tokens are not subject to any capital controls or price manipulation. They can be freely bought and sold or used as currency for payments via any open payment and clearing system.
In addition to the intended use of the UNIT as a currency for traditional and alternative payment systems, resilience of the UNIT ecosystem is further enhanced by a secure proprietary UNIT payment protocol designed to transact with UNIT tokens, which will be open for access in line with the UNIT rule-book.
Further development of the UNIT ecosystem foresees launch of new elements with additional functionality, including mercantile and capital stock exchanges, where commodities and financial instruments will be priced and settled in UNIT tokens. It is expected that issuance of financial instruments denominated in the UNIT will follow in due course and will enable the use of the UNIT for storage of value, investment, and reserves.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 13 2024 23:16 utc | 125

I sure like what I am reading

Consequently, the primary purpose of the UNIT as a new alternative global currency is to make global trade and capital flows more resilient to external interference (i.e., to serve as “apolitical money”). Such interference can be applied via various channels, such as payment and settlement systems, custody network, supra-national loans, or even denomination of the major commodity contracts. The approaching introduction of Central Bank Digital Currencies (“CDBC”) makes the search for such a resilient solution even more urgent. The secondary purpose of the UNIT is to create a viable alternative for storage of value that would provide long-term purchasing power stability.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 13 2024 23:24 utc | 126

Below is the part that the God Of Mammon will try to game

The integrity of such a fractal network is preserved by a blockchain-based [2] synchronization and re-balancing mechanism that uses a variant of the Byzantine Fault Tolerance based Proof-of-Stake Consensus protocol [3].
The unique feature of the proposed decentralized monetary system is the anchoring of values of each component of the reserve basket to gold. The composition and pricing of the underlying basket is defined and measured in terms of gold.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 13 2024 23:27 utc | 127

@125
I admit to being out of the loop on crypto and blockchain tech. It all sounds very promising
A summer project for me.
Cash is apolitical money. As long as the coins aren’t marked.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 13 2024 23:32 utc | 128

Not much further and into the weeds with questions

We define the fractal unit (“the UNIT token”) as a fungible monetary transactional element of the UNIT ecosystem representing a share of the total UNIT reserve basket consisting of 40% gold and fiat currencies freely convertible into gold.
A self-similar basket is present at each node of the fractal network, while the value of assets at all nodes adds up to the total value of the UNIT reserve basket, all measured in gold.
…….
In the UNIT basket composition, there are no permanently fixed ratios for the underlying components, with the exception of two conditions stipulated in the UNIT rule-book and tested at the moment of emission of additional UNIT tokens: the gold content (40%) requirement and the maximum value (30%) requirement for any other component of the basket, valued in gold.
New UNIT tokens can be minted as needed at any time, upon delivery of the underlying components at a UNIT node. Composition and pricing of each component of the basket measured in gold is transparent and public.
This approach minimizes costs related to holding and moving a significant physical gold inventory, as modeled by Black [4]. We extend Black’s analysis further by removing the assumption that gold is valued in terms of something other than gold itself.

Keep me straight here….Unit is 40% gold and 60% fiat currencies freely convertible into gold
I read that as saying conflicting fiat currencies and convertible into gold in same breath?
And then the Unit basket composition description has its own unknown with the “additional UNIT tokens: the gold content (40%) requirement and the maximum value (30%) requirement for any other component of the basket, valued in gold.”
I will have to read more to grok what the hell that means….

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 13 2024 23:43 utc | 129

psychohistorian | May 13 2024 23:43 utc | 129–
Thanks for posting all that as I was writing my substack, “A Monday Olio”. I merely included the links and didn’t talk much about the substance. I wrote a note to Pepe with a few questions:

I see the Unit is designed to be a commodity as well as a currency and thus differs significantly from Keynes’s bancor. Plus, it’s merely a currency, so where’s the transmittal infrastructure and who/what pays for its use. Plus, the bancor wasn’t designed to make money for any entity whereas the unit seems to be the property of its designers. Yes, the unit isn’t a national currency, but it remains owned and hypothetically subject to the same problems.

My comment was replied to with further concerns:

Karl, instead for me the problem is that the Unit will be a commodity, so its value will be unstable like crypto depending on demand and offer, after an initial period with set price.The relation to the value of gold reserves seems only intended for the initial pricing.

I’m sure more like the above will appear at Pepe’s VK. I’ll write a note to Dr. Hudson, although I’m sure Pepe already sent him a copy of his article.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 14 2024 0:10 utc | 130

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 13 2024 20:59 utc | 120
Good rebuttal. Especially about the mosquito. (But I still suspect less noisy ones would be more successful. Plus my argument had more humour!)
Are you aware of any intermediates between, say, a horse and a dog, or a cat and a dog? Yes, some species adapt-change over time from small to large and land to sea, but mammals do not become reptiles or vice versa. Since the PreCambrian explosion cats haven’t evolved into anything other than various different cats. As far as I know.
I note you did not address the natural selection issue viz cell and eye complexity. Because Darwin himself would certainly agree they negate his random genesis theory.
Of course, it’s a complex topic and I don’t pretend to have studied all aspects. But various presentations and articles have confirmed what I contemplated for myself by observing life experience.
There are also convincing philosophical arguments which debunk evolution theory. Check out Wolfang Smith’s notion of ‘vertical causation’. Also, most mythological and neoplatonic philosophical perspectives clearly posit something on the level of non-material Mind giving birth to what is then experienced more densely as corporeal in three-dimensional space, which itself is a creation of body-mind being. This is a correct view IMO. Bottom-up materialist evolution is fundamentally mistaken.
(I shall refrain from responding to your parting insult by offering another in return. Life’s too short!)

Posted by: scorpion | May 14 2024 0:11 utc | 131

I finished the Unit White paper now and like the concept but see some roadblocks along the way of adoption.
Unit nodes are physical places where gold and currencies are stored as backing to the Units and network/computer infrastructure is also needed…..how long to build and where/who owns/operates…..I didn’t see clear call for only sovereign ownership/operation of Unit nodes.
I think I read that Units get created but rarely deleted and I need to get my global finance macro mind around that concept of expansion until controlled by declining Unit prices/values…..Phew….
They listed the immediate benefits of such an approach and one of them I want to highlight

“Re-anchoring” of price discovery and price formation to gold, away from using any national currency as a reference point

Lets talk about the immediate part………the Unit design assumes a fairly stable price of gold as I read the paper and that will not happen immediately but it will be ABRUPT and lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth will occur.
Further to the immediate part is that this concept is a game changer and will be real as soon as the BRICS+ waves their collective wands…..if not sooner….this is civilization war tactics.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2024 0:18 utc | 132

@ karlof1 | May 14 2024 0:10 utc | 130 with the follow up to my comments about the Unit concept
We are posting past each other….I just got done reading your latest substack and if the FBI did its job it would convict itself.
The process of getting from here to a stable gold priced Unit is going to be crazy but necessary. How crazy it is will depend on how the God Of Mammon reacts to having the global finance punch bowl taken from them. I don’t see them as being able to stop it but things like ownership/management of global internet networks is not sovereign is it?…talk about man-in-the-middle attacks on Unit nodes….sigh…barbarism is still dominant over socialism but losing the war.
The shit show continues until it doesn’t and it is exciting to see some meat on the BRICS+ bones of an alternative system of finance…..go long Units!

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2024 0:39 utc | 133

Excellently UNHINGED MSNBC Morning Joe summary, with Hillary Clinton, FUMES and RANTS At STUDENTS for Protesting US War Criminals and cries rivers of ears in the process … and apparently Communist China runs Youtube!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifvwBiJamNU

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 14 2024 0:50 utc | 134

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 12 2024 22:01 utc | 45
Thanks Don, yes, huge “mission base” naval vessel visited Gabon, because that bucolic nook of the Gulf of Guinea is on the list of places where USA, in all their benevolence, provides training and what not to jointly face regional challenges. And thus a huge map of the world in one of Pentagon rooms has some tiny flags on “Gabon”, while the huge map of Africa in Africom conference room has somewhat larger flags there.
So there was a purpose of the mission, which was accomplished with panache and elan, overcoming a marine obstacle (hence, soft grounding). But what is the purpose of that purpose? It seems like an explanation given by British climber Mallory (?) how he decided to climb Mt. Everest. “Because it’s there.”
Someone invented an adage that USA is an indispensable nation, so part of the mission of US armed forces is to keep proving this indispensability, pretty much everywhere, logistics allowing (hence, no mission at Mt. Everest yet). Who else would train Gabonese and set a facility for continuing the cooperation but USA? May be France would do it with aplomb, panache and elan, but French have to be instructed too how to face global and regional challeges.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 14 2024 1:13 utc | 135

Posted by: scorpion | May 14 2024 0:11 utc | 131
Concerning buzzing of mosquitoes, it is not maladaptive, based on my observation this weekend. By the time you complete a successful slap, you can be bitten a number of times! One sacrificed individual and scores extra eggs laid by the species.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 14 2024 1:28 utc | 136

I skim ZH all the time and note changes in terms being used
Bidenomics is one such word gaining ground in the propaganda world. The failures of the economy are all Biden’s fault…..while I despise Genocide Joe, he is not the source of the problem and it won’t go away with the next president….if it doesn’t crash before then.
The proper term is God Of Mammon economics with the political part hidden

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2024 1:42 utc | 137

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 14 2024 1:28 utc | 136
Ha ha ha!
PS I realized my question about links between horses and dogs etc. was silly. What is needed are intermediates between one ancestor species to a descendant but different species. (What is that: first a worm then a mammal? Or what?) I don’t really know what they are so cannot phrase the query because again as far as I recall (not my field) horses, cats, dogs, spiders, flies, lizards, bats etc. etc. have been the way they are since the Cambrian explosion. Sharks and scorpions from much earlier also have remained essentially the same.
Also, if the theory were correct, then each species would have far more offshoot mini-branches, within the same immediate family even, rather than being so incredibly consistent. If the random genesis hypothesis were correct there would be no such stability because there is no mechanism for it, given it’s all mindless and mechanical in nature. The physicalist bottom-up hypothesis really is absurd if you just think it through whilst looking carefully at anything visible, examining its nature and qualities.
Plus evolution theory doesn’t explain clouds, sky, earth, sun.
In any case, several scientists claim we’ve yet to find a true intermediate, which of course cannot verify either way. Not really interested since the theory is so obviously a sophisticated guess that didn’t check out once more knowledge came along.
No big deal, though some get hysterical about it for reasons have never quite understood.

Posted by: scorpion | May 14 2024 1:49 utc | 138

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 14 2024 1:28 utc | 136
Grab, dont slap.
Mosquitoes and horseflies are the forgotten horror of hiking. I have had some miserable days because of them, always forget how utterly annoying they are.
In fact, i now prefer late august early september. Flowers are gone, which is sad, but so are mosquitoes and horseflies.
Horseflies, especially, are horrid, as they tend to swarm around water, aka resting areas. They also start at a couple, and just keep building up, until you kill them, or they will follow.
Last season, i saw a poor deer, too tired to even run from me, trying to gnash its teeth at deer flies. Poor thing. It tried to run from them, and I could see a swarm of about 20 chasing it.
I heard they sometimes drown themselves trying to get relief from the deer flies.
Anyways, as a killer by hand of tens of thousands of mosquitoes, i hope i have removed a few genes of taste for human blood, though i know it is a ridiculous thought.

Posted by: UWDude | May 14 2024 2:15 utc | 139

/cheep
Menthol. Mosquitoes, most bugs actually, hate menthol. Oh, and a bit of soap for the puddles of water to kill their nymphs. Though they are a food source for me, so don’t kill all of them, please! =)
And the answer to fate & free will is both exist simultaneous: free will fits within fate because of the scale of a finite human compared to the size of larger cyclical systems, and further the inconstance of a human using free will at every moment of its existence, ergo the smaller fits into the larger. Further, there is no point proselytizing salvation if predeterminism precludes its possibility. So it cannot be all fate otherwise choosing faith and existing in general is pointless, and it cannot be all free will because the planet, weather, and life is very much bigger than one mere human’s will. The answer’s quite obvious when you realize the construction of the question in the beginning as a dichotomy in tense opposition is a ridiculous premise that lost perspective of the limits of its abstraction. It’s a metaphor stretch out into its asymptotic absurdity. It’s a puzzle to make one laugh and move on, not seriously contemplate. 😉
Anyway, I poop in this garden to boost its productivity. Off to find a good nesting site!
/poop
/cheep cheep
/flies off

Posted by: titmouse | May 14 2024 2:51 utc | 140

More thoughts about the Unit concept.
From what I read it is not being proposed by BRICS+ but may be one of the directions they are looking at.
I don’t see the concept working in a mixed sovereign/private finance world even though it was kind of described that way……Units are NOT Keynes’s bancor….it sounded like anybody with gold and currency of partaking nation could create a Unit and own it.
I do think the concept has potential as a Keynes’s bancor money if it is totally sovereign owned and operated. I don’t understand the UN connection either and am highly skeptical of anything being born under that structure, especially global finance as a public utility.
But a trial ballon of BRICS+ intentions has been launched and should scare the shit show we live into a bit of a pause to consider their future.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2024 3:25 utc | 141

Thanks again, karlos1 at 51 and 65 for analyzing Pepe’s spirited essay, and aplogies for the brevity of my response earlier – I was literally almost out the door on my way to the bus (it waits for no man nor woman), and am only back now thoroughly enjoying the windswept seas of early Greek and Roman philosophy. I have just one quibble with the following:

“…Where the Platonic-Aristotelian finds categories, reason, passions, as irreconcilable differences that must be simultaneously equalized, for the empirical Stoic reason/emotion depends on how the hegemonikon is capable of conducing passions – like conducing one’s legs. And that requires non-stop practice.”

My quibble, (and no small one for me,) is that, in spite of the Roman tendency exhibited in Raphael’s Vatican fresco The School of Athens of putting the two I’ve bolded in friendly conversation on the steps of the Academy, the explanation which follews the linkage I’ve bolded above is questionably that of both philosophers. Certainly that is what Aristotle thought Plato was all about, but there really is an important distinction between the two – western Christianity favors Aristotle and his interpretation of Plato, but eastern Christianity prefers to keep the two apart. And I say ‘eastern’ as favoring eastern more flexible interpretations of spirit, just to muddy the waters a bit.
My personal worldspirit led me to a thriftshop purchase today- some of the dialogues of Plato with different translations in a Bantam paperback from the 1980’s, so in between bus and train I was reading the introduction to these, written by Eric Segal.
Here’s a small segment of what he has to say:

“…The oft quoted dictum that “the medium is the message” was never more appropriate than when applied to Plato’s mode of expression. For, by choosing to present his ideas in dialogue form, Plato is probably coming as close as possible to imitating the so-called Socratic method, the pedagogical technique of his mentor…”

Well said, say I.

Posted by: juliania | May 14 2024 3:46 utc | 142

Sorry, karlof1, of course.

Posted by: juliania | May 14 2024 3:48 utc | 143

an interesting little clip from a british mp – andrew bridgen… 4 minutes and worth watching…
twitter 4 minute video
Andrew Bridgen MP just dropped this bombshell on a stunned Doc Malik:
‘Rishi wants out..um…we are actually at war with Russia now …they just haven’t told you.’
Russia knows it as confirmed to Bridgen by the Russian Ambassador.
Rishi has told the globalists he doesn’t want to be ‘a war time Prime Minister’.
The plan is to inform the public around July/August.

Posted by: james | May 14 2024 3:58 utc | 144

juliania | May 14 2024 3:48 utc | 142–
Thanks for your reply and thoughts on that matter. And I am known as Karlos by one of my best friends. I hope you downloaded the books.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 14 2024 4:58 utc | 145

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 13 2024 23:16 utc | 125
This whitepaper looks worth reading.
I went to the website and clicked on the “read the whitepaper” link. I got a blank box with a Tilda Logo in it. When I clicked on the logo, it sent me to the website of a web design company called Tilda.
How did you get the whitepaper?
Thanks.

Posted by: john brewster | May 14 2024 5:06 utc | 146

Posted by: john brewster | May 14 2024 5:06 utc | 145
Sorry, Never mind.
The link at the very top works. I have the WP.
Earlier, I clicked on the link down by the FAQ. It is obviously broken.

Posted by: john brewster | May 14 2024 5:09 utc | 147

@ john brewster | May 14 2024 5:09 utc | 146 about the sales job I did for this Unit concept
The concept is not half baked but not backed by the big folks so I am hesitant to take it much further until BRICS+ makes its intentions known.
Lots of good ideas but needs totally sovereign use like Keynes’s proposed bancor or it will get arbitraged and manipulated by the private finance cult.
Please share what your impression are.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2024 5:22 utc | 148

Wall Street On Parade has a posting up with the title
Delinquencies on Office Property Loans at Banks Are at 8 Percent While Office Loans the Banks Sold to Investors Show 31 Percent in Trouble
The increase in delinquencies is up from 1% a year ago
the quote

Just how much pain is being felt in the CMBS market related to office properties was further quantified on May 3 when Scott Carpenter reported the following at Bloomberg Law:
“About $52 billion, or 31%, of all office loans in commercial mortgage bonds were in trouble in March, according to KBRA Analytics.
“That share is up from 16% a year ago, according to the firm. Some cities have bigger headaches than others, with Chicago and Denver offices having 75% and 65% in jeopardy, respectively.”
Pause for a moment and let those surreal numbers sink in. According to the New Capital Journal, Chicago ranks third among U.S. cities for GDP output, after New York City and Los Angeles. But 75 percent of the office property loans bundled into CMBS and sold to investors are in trouble?

Let me also encourage a broader perspective about this data point in the Western economies. Humanity is in a civilization war about God Of Mammon hegemony or China/Russia axis multipolar finance. Given that the God Of Mammon cult can create US dollars with keystrokes and given tools like naked shorts, they can buy/sell/manipulate the existing markets to stay afloat in spite of cancer under the covers as this report shows……its 2008 again/still
Speaking of 2008, the US debt on the back of the public was $800 billion in 2008 and it is $34 trillion today…..any barflies out there got their piece of that $33+ trillion rip off?
Finance is based on faith. Faith in the government that creates and provide base value for the money si what people think exists when reality is my God Of Mammon cult behind the curtain. The faith in money created and managed by those folks behind the curtain is falling and only propped up by more fiat money eating its seed corn as b would write.
We are witness to faith in 2K years of God Of Mammon cult being lost and unable to be maintained by Might-Makes-Right. It may take a while to shake out but the genie of class based slavery for the un-inherited is out of the bottle and not going back in any time soon. That genie is losing its mojo with exposure and will whither and expire as it should…..barbarism into socialism.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2024 5:48 utc | 149

How Capitalism Makes You LESS Free | with the beautiful gracious Grace Blakeley author Vulture Capitalism
Common sense tells us that free-market economies maximise freedom and that planned economies, typically found under socialist governments, curtail it. But what if this is completely the wrong way around?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZjFul2Uphs

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 14 2024 6:23 utc | 150

T The Sirius Report
@thesiriusreport
It’s clear that the US fears what a Chinese response will be to the US imposing further tariffs on Chinese goods.
Never mind that this is US taxation on US imported goods and is by definition inflationary.
Contrary to the myth propagated on the American people during the Trump administration, these tariffs do not cost China a single dime. The burden falls entirely on the US itself.

US has or now is passing a law to ban Russian Uranium. My understanding, at least at the start of the SMO, was US imported 20% of its enriched Uranium for fuel rods from Russia.
US doing so many things to drive inflation at a time when US debt is skyrocketing…
US still importing its fertilizer from Russia though.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 14 2024 8:34 utc | 151

Posted by: scorpion | May 13 2024 14:53 utc | 102
So far, I’ve basically appreciated your scepticism on topics like smooth transition to a multipolar world. I mean, the big and the small satan are still alive, and the Blackrocks and Rothschilds and Bank of England are pretty much running the show globally.
Now I’m learning from your post @102 that you consider Darwin’s evolution theory debunked. Surprises me indeed those people are still around – I mean at MoA – I’m surely aware of creationist circles in the US.
Well, evolution is still at work and explains, for instance, the emergence of ever new strains of Covid 19.
I agree that we are far from understanding how the major breakthroughs occurred – like the invention of protein biosynthesis and the genetic code, and choosing which subset of 20 amino acids (out of a vast number of candidates) will be just right for supporting life. Having the whole machine work flawlessly is a great miracle indeed – when you think of all the ribosomes, t-RNAs, aminoacyl-t-RNA synthetases – there are so many moving parts involved – this thing could not have have been designed on any drawing board. Even a god would have needed to use experimentation to refine it to the level we have today – that is, use evolutionary tools, or evolution indeed. The ribosomes themselves – today’s catalysts of protein biosynthesis – are not made of proteins, but of RNA. That makes them witnesses of the time they were invented at – a time when proteins were not yet widely available.
A similar story applies to the solar system with its earth-moon couple – comparing it with other planetary systems makes its genesis look like a very improbable event. Enough of a job to employ several gods to do all the experimentation work. As aristodemos used to say: don’t pray to yahwe – choose the creator instead.

Posted by: grunzt | May 14 2024 10:14 utc | 152

Churchill

I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.” –

Rishik Sunak gets misty eyed about Churchill, the Russians give him a lesson in history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-80R_mgc5T4

Posted by: denk | May 14 2024 10:46 utc | 153

Lavrov’s Dog @149: “Common sense tells us that free-market economies maximise freedom and that planned economies, typically found under socialist governments, curtail it. But what if this is completely the wrong way around?”
One man’s freedom is another man’s servitude.
There is no contradiction here. It is just a matter of perspective. Is the freedom for the owner of capital or for the people who don’t own economically productive capital? Whose freedom is being maximized and whose is being curtailed?
When I lived in China, I didn’t feel any curtailment of freedom. I felt far more free than I ever did in America, but then I am not a capitalist living off profits from accumulated capital. There are much more rules and constraints on such people in China, but fewer on people like me.
Of course, presstitutes and ivory tower academicians are technically working class too (they get paychecks with their boss’s signature on them), but their egotism is cultivated such that they identify with their capitalist masters rather than their working class peers. Thus, as society’s guardians of what is considered “True”, they mold that delusion of truth around the interests of their masters. The curtailment of the freedoms of working people in capitalist society gets papered over while the curtailment of the freedoms of their masters in socialist societies gets spotlighted and exaggerated.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 14 2024 11:07 utc | 154

Here’s Churchill’s on the yellow peril...

I think we shall have to take the Chinese in hand and regulate them. I believe that as civilized nations become more powerful they will get more ruthless, and the time will come when the world will impatiently bear the existence of great barbaric nations who may at any time arm themselves and menace civilized nations. I believe in the ultimate partition of China—I mean ultimate. I hope we shall not have to do it in our day. The Aryan stock is bound to triumph

barbaric nations who may at any time arm themselves and menace civilized nations !
Sounds familiar…?
Churchill was just the tip of an iceberg.
Gardenists have been fretting about getting swarmed by the jungle since time immemorial.
Irony of irony !
In reality, It has been a one way affair of the garden’s expansion into the jungle, ever since anglo./euro fanning out to colonise most of the planet’s premium real estates, from North America to Hawaii, Oz, NZ and beyond . !

Posted by: denk | May 14 2024 12:05 utc | 155

Posted by: titmouse | May 14 2024 2:51 utc | 140
Salaam ~!*feathered friend*!~. This question has been addressed in the Al-Qur’an right in the very beginning of Sura 55, Ar-Rahman (the Mercifully Gracious). There is a very interesting chorus in that blessed Sura that is informative.
The critical matter is choice. Fate assign us our lot in life. Fate does not assign how we choose live it. As we live in our mind and our reality is entirely image based then we see that the choice given is that of how to read.
The tension of the duals is an important matter. God has informed us in the “book that makes things Clear” that HIS Mercy precedes HIS Wrath. Then HE tells us to “Fear God”. And yet HE Is the Most Merciful of the merciful. And the Proverbs also tells us that “fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom”.
Learning to read. Here is a reading:

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ
With The Name of I-LOVE-WILL, The Utmost Compassionate The Utmost Merciful.
الرَّحْمَٰنُ
The Utmost Compassionate, whose Mercy is a Grace unto ITs Creation
عَلَّمَ الْقُرْآنَ
The Utmost Compassionate Instructs in the Science of the Recitation of the Divine Word
خَلَقَ الْإِنْسَانَ
Creating The Love-Natured-Being (Insaan),
عَلَّمَهُ الْبَيَانَ
Instructing in the Science of Clear Expression of Mind.
الشَّمْسُ وَالْقَمَرُ بِحُسْبَانٍ
The Spatial-Temporal movements of the Luminous Source and the Periodic Reflector of Light are pre-Determined and eternally established.
وَالنَّجْمُ وَالشَّجَرُ يَسْجُدَانِ
The foundational forms of the Green Light Feeding Living Creatures manifest in Matter are governed and subject to HIS/ITS Will and Choice.
وَالسَّمَاءَ رَفَعَهَا وَوَضَعَ الْمِيزَانَ
The Ethereal Realms HE/IT Has Raised and HE/IT Has Set in place The Dual-Balance of TAO
أَلَّا تَطْغَوْا فِي الْمِيزَانِ
so that the Harmonious Balance can not be upset by your excesses, for the Material Realm is for ALL HIS/ITS Creatures.
– the Glorious Recitation, the Book that makes things perfectly Clear Sura Ar-Rahman (55) Signs 1-8]

~!! ♡ !!~
& Salaam!

Posted by: sunof27 | May 14 2024 12:06 utc | 156

Someone says that we should allow dissidents freedom of speech, even tho we might not agree with them.
Like Voltaire eh ?

I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It

How very noble !
Except there’r dissidents and there’r ‘dissidents’ !
There’s a legion of ‘dissidents’ here led by you know who, who’r blatant empire apologists/deniers..

Its the Jews !
We are all fighting Israel’s wars !

Gimme the real dissidents any time, they call a spade a spade and dont look for scapegoats like those ‘dissidents’ swarming our board now.
Like I say…
Its all about

garden vs jungle.

The Americans had the notion of the “yellow peril”, even formalising it into the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, and Australia was happy to agree. And it was part of European colonialism to fear threat from the very people the Europeans threatened and to call them insulting names based on race

https://johnmenadue.com/australia-should-rid-itself-of-the-persistent-fear-of-china/

Posted by: denk | May 14 2024 13:01 utc | 157

Reuters main headline at this moment:
Trump’s attacks on his trial judges trigger widespread calls for violence
Readers of Reuters actually swallow this shit.

Posted by: librul | May 14 2024 15:24 utc | 158

Rumble Is Blocked in Russia After Refusing Censorship Requests, CEO Says
@ librul | May 14 2024 15:24 utc | 158
reuters is one of the big 3 wire services.. their shit goes everywhere… you can’t pick up a paper and avoid reuters… see the article on propaganda multiplier from swiss propaganda site…

Posted by: james | May 14 2024 16:22 utc | 159

karlof1 | May 14 2024 4:58 utc | 145
I’ve revisited Pepe (thanks to your essay) more carefully, and I see better the relationship of the Stoics to the separation I was advocating between Plato and Aristotle. I would have liked to read the paper at your third link, but unfortunately my computer is limited in what it will translate, seems to be stuck on ‘not possible’. There is, however, a further statement by Pepe I shall attempt to enlarge upon. Here is what Pepe says:
“… Plato had already had the intuition that the soul is eternal …and in transmigration incorporates several bodies…”
In the dialogue Meno Socrates demonstrates, using Meno’s slaveboy, that the latter has an intrinsic understanding of a geometrical proof, an understanding that any person would have, given the right clues by a patient teacher. From this he states it has been proven thereby that the soul is immortal. In other words, the intuition, as Plato describes the encounter, is had by the slaveboy.
The second example, that of transmigration of souls into different bodies, comes at the end of the Politeia but is a tale told by Socrates to his friend Glaucon (Plato’s older brother) of a soldier named Er, who, having been considered dead, has come back to life and relates what he has seen in the afterlife. At the conclusion of the tale and the dialogue, there are two statements by Socrates: “…it will save us [the tale will] if we believe it …” and “… But, if we are guided by me, we shall believe that the soul is immortal and capable of enduring all extremes of good and evil…”
In connection with these, I return to the Meno, where Meno’s question of whether virtue is innate or taught has been again and again preceded by Socrates’ insistence that first we must know what virtue is:

“… if all we have said in this discussion, and the questions we have asked have been right, virtue will be acquired neither by nature nor by teaching. Whoever has it gets it by divine dispensation without taking thought, unless he be the kind of statesman who can create another like himself. Should there be such a man, he would be among the living practically what Homer said Tiresias was among the dead, when he described him as the only one in the underworld who kept his wits … ‘the others are mere flitting shades.’ Where virtue is concerned such a man would be just like that, a solid reality among shadows.

[My bolds]
Going back to ‘spirit’ and where it comes from, that’s a lovely description, I think.
Thanks again, karlof1. Lovely feast for the mind!

Posted by: juliania | May 14 2024 16:22 utc | 160

…as far as I recall (not my field) horses, cats, dogs, spiders, flies, lizards, bats etc. etc. have been the way they are since the Cambrian explosion. Sharks and scorpions from much earlier also have remained essentially the same.

Posted by: scorpion | May 14 2024 1:49 utc | 138
I must say that the Cambrian explosion owes itself to the fact that many phyla developed hard parts – which was a new “invention” of the time – and thus were much easier fossilized than all the glibbery creatures that existed earlier. At that time, there were only marine animals, none of the ones you mentioned, even the sharks had to wait quite some time before coming into existence. The “adaptive radiation” of the mammals had to wait for the demise of the dinosaurs, 60 M years ago. It was thereafter that cats, dogs, horses, apes and humans reached their contemporary shapes, coming from a common ancestor that may have lived, some 100 M years ago, in the shadow of the dinos.
Apart from these rapidly evolving species, there are some of the kind you mentioned – that did barely change for a long time – because their environment didn’t change. They are known as “living fossils” – Coelacanth, Sphenodon are the ones I remember, and I think, as you said, scorpiones also belong here.

Posted by: grunzt | May 14 2024 17:12 utc | 161

On May 03, 2024
b created the post entitled:
Prime Minister Of Georgia Exposes U.S. Regime Change Attempt
That post is now closed to comment.
In that post there was this line:
“Had these attempts been successful, the second front line would have been opened in Georgia.”
– Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze of Georgia
A second US created Ukraine War.
Incredible
b’s post discussed a Georgian bill which would create transparency in foreign financial influences.
The bill has now passed.
Reuters has an article about it today.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/georgian-lawmakers-brawl-parliament-set-pass-foreign-agent-bill-2024-05-14/
“Opponents of the bill, seen as a test of whether the South Caucasus country stays on a path towards integration with Europe or pivots back towards Russia, have called for further protests.”

Posted by: librul | May 14 2024 17:13 utc | 162

Apart from these rapidly evolving species, there are some of the kind you mentioned – that did barely change for a long time – because their environment didn’t change. They are known as “living fossils” – Coelacanth, Sphenodon are the ones I remember, and I think, as you said, scorpiones also belong here.
Posted by: grunzt | May 14 2024 17:12 utc | 161
It seems to me that being able to evolve rapidly is itself advantageous, and likely a relatively late acquisition (and not without some drawbacks too).

Posted by: Bemildred | May 14 2024 17:35 utc | 163

Posted by: grunzt | May 14 2024 17:12 utc | 161
I thought sharks were much older but now I find they are Cambrian too.
In any case, the very existence of DNA negates Darwin’s bottom-up hypothesis – as he himself would agree. DNA cannot exist via random bottom-up genesis nor without some sort of top-down design/intelligence/plan/intention. In other words, there is an ‘agency’ above the physical plane determining corporeal shape and function. This is true of everything we perceive in the phenomenal world. The wholeness of something – apple, tree, human, chair – comes from this higher ‘idea’ level which I believe Plato made much of.
One can argue about whether or not inanimate phenomenon have such a higher level quotient (needs a longer comment!) but as for living organisms, their unitary wholeness, though not evidenced on the quantum particle level, is apparent on the perceptual-mind level, so again clearly there is some sort of data-driven template connected to mind-consciousness behind what ends up becoming either a mouse, a bird, a worm – whatever. In Buddhist parlance we call it the Three Bodies/Kayas: corporeal form, speech-data, mind-awareness.
To me this is self-evident common sense though it just so happens to contradict the bottom-up physicalist-materialist fantasy: lightning > sludge > amoeba > worm > rat > human. Though am not up on Darwinianism, last time I checked they have yet to find a common ancestor. It’s an intelligent hypothesis, but the fossil evidence via the Cambrian explosion pretty much negates it. And again: the DNA-design problem.

Posted by: scorpion | May 14 2024 19:01 utc | 164

Posted by: grunzt | May 14 2024 17:12 utc | 161
Tried replying, won’t go through. No links, either. Curious…

Posted by: scorpion | May 14 2024 19:02 utc | 165

So, jetzt haben wir es amtlich, öffentlich ausgesprochen kann in Deutschland 2024 der Satz „Alles für Deutschland“ je nach Einkommen schon mal 13000 Euro kosten. Was der Satz: „Nichts für Deutschland“ kostet weiß ich nicht, aber da es sich dabei um eine Aufforderung zu Steuerhinterziehung handeln könnte, würde es wahrscheinlich noch wesentlich teurer. Am besten lässt man Deutschland einfach weg.
So, now we have it officially, publicly stated in Germany in 2024 the sentence “Everything for Germany” can cost 13,000 euros, depending on your income. I don’t know how much the sentence: “Nothing for Germany” costs, but since it could be an invitation to tax evasion, it would probably be significantly more expensive. It’s best to just leave Germany out.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | May 14 2024 19:54 utc | 166

Like Voltaire eh ?
I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It
Posted by: denk | May 14 2024 13:01 utc | 157
There is no writing by Voltaire in which this occurs.
Marie Antoinette also never said that if you were hungry you should eat cake; that was just a running gag on the nobility for centuries.
But of course you can learn from how we are lied to about our history. Napoleon was right about that.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | May 14 2024 20:22 utc | 167

Whoever cares for a healthy world please take your time to inform yourself what is happening at the WHO /UN. Just to know for the time being…
https://kolozeg.org/who-aims-to-monitor-and-control-the-global-food-supply-rhoda-wilson/

Posted by: WHO | May 14 2024 20:25 utc | 168

@165
Thanks for this short clear information… this will NOT be the last word about this matter.

Posted by: WHO | May 14 2024 20:30 utc | 169

Lovely comment there on Socrates by juliania.

Posted by: persiflo | May 14 2024 21:36 utc | 170

Recently, I have have had the feeling that Russian economy is being set to boom, similar to the Asian tiger – the Asia pacific region. And that under wartime scenario.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 14 2024 22:07 utc | 171

ZH has a posting up with the title
Another “Behemoth Solar Flare” Sparks Radio Blackout Across North America
Its lucky that the spot it came from wasn’t pointed at us when it happened.
At the bottom of the posting is an Egyptian pharaoh graphic and the words….THE SOLAR FLARES WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2024 22:47 utc | 172

Bemildred @ 163:
Evolution is rapid in species subjected to pressures within their environments that push them onto particular paths of development.
In the case of the evolution of the eye, in those groups of invertebrates that became ancestors of vertebrates, the eye may have evolved from simple light-sensing cells to the specialised organ that it now is, in a matter of 100 million years. This may have been because generations of these animals, as they changed over hundreds of millions of years, were living in environments that changed very rapidly and in which different ways of acquiring food (including different ways of preying on other animals) were possible.
(Incidentally eyes in vertebrates are constructed differently from eyes in octopuses and eyes in insects, and this tells us that eyes have evolved in at least three different ways. In vertebrates, nerve fibres route before the retina and this construction leads to blind spots in vertebrate vision. In octopuses and their relatives, nerve fibres route behind the retina so these animals do not have blind spots in their vision.)
Being preyed upon itself pushes certain species of animals to evolve and develop defences that give them chances or opportunities to evade predation. Preying on animals that are constantly changing itself compels predators to change to keep up with their prey’s evolution or to prey on other animal species that are not changing so much. Then the new prey species comes under a new pressure to change.
Rapid evolution or slow evolution is not some ability or talent: it is a result of something in a species’ environment that forces or compels that species to change. If there is nothing in a species’ environment that forces it to adapt or change its behaviour, that species will experience slow evolution (in their appearance anyways, if not in other respects).

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 15 2024 0:01 utc | 173

Further to my comment @ 172, I have since perused through some online articles and found that, according to some researchers, eyes in invertebrate animals ancestral to vertebrates may have evolved from simple light-sensing cells to specialised organs in an incredibly short time from a few hundred thousand years at minimum to one million years at maximum.
It may have actually been the evolution of eyes and sight that set off the Pre-Cambrian explosion in animal evolution.
From Britannica.com:

… In 1994 Swedish zoologists Dan-Eric Nilsson and Susanne Pelger took up the challenge of “evolving” an eye of the fish type from a patch of photosensitive skin. Using pessimistic estimates of variation, heritability, and selection intensity, Nilsson and Pelger came to the conclusion that it would take 364,000 generations for a fish eye to evolve. Given a generation time of a year, which is typical for moderate-sized animals, a respectable eye could evolve in less than half a million years. Of course, other physiological elements (e.g., competent brains) have to evolve in parallel with eyes. However, at least as far as the eye itself is concerned, very little time is actually required for its evolution …

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 15 2024 0:23 utc | 174

Posted by: grunzt | May 14 2024 10:14 utc | 152
For the record, am not a ‘creationist’, just not a bottom-up physicalist. BTW, framing all who reject Darwin as ‘creationists’ is a straw man, though some indeed are; most like myself can simply point to various aspects of Darwin’s theory which don’t hold up. I shall try to find the quote by Darwin wherein he defines what would demolish his theory. According to his own definition, it is indeed demolished.
The key point is that his theory is bottom-up physicalist (materialist), believing inert chemicals somehow acquire life and from there all evolves. Even assuming physical matter just exists on its own somehow in dead outer space absent consciousness,** the step from inanimate to animate is unexplained as indeed is the nature of Life itself.
Of course the nature of consciousness is, according to most materialists, a brain fart caused by chemical hormones. All derives from the bottom-up, physicalist view without which the entire theory falls apart.
Finally, your ‘god’s drawing board’ might be thought of as deep intention. Ideation-intention level precedes DNA which precedes corporeal form, just as a plan precedes building anything complex like a house. Common sense.
You might enjoy this: https://footnotes2plato.substack.com/p/platonic-physics-in-dialogue-with-wolfgang-smith
Or his website articles:
https://philos-sophia.org/vertical-causation-wholeness/
Darwin on the eye (this is not the full quote):

To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false*; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei, as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. — Charles Darwin

‘Reason tells me’ = ‘I think’ which is not science-based. Elsewhere he argues that if it can be shown that incremental changes cannot have made a fully functioning eye (let alone DNA), then his natural selection theory would be disproven which has now been done. Granted, his theory doesn’t depend upon natural selection, however he provides no other mechanism without which his theory is merely speculative not scientific.
* recent evidence shows, impossibly, that the entire universe revolves around the Earth. Truly shocking. Sorry, no link.
** impossible: three-dimensional space is a function of localized (here-vs-there) consciousness!

Posted by: scorpion | May 15 2024 0:36 utc | 175

PS. Where I wrote ‘natural selection’ theory I should have written ‘random genesis’ which underpins it. All materialist evolution is based on mindless, intentionless chance. Various people have shown this doesn’t hold up but I don’t have notes on all of them: some are mathematicians, some physicists, some philosophers. (I prefer the latter approach but…)

Posted by: scorpion | May 15 2024 0:58 utc | 176

The eye doesnt impress me, but genetic replication does
Humans have yet to create life in carbon form, but are close to it in silicon form.
This life exists in a nonspace, and perhaps we do too, compared to our creators.. if we have any. The answer will not be answered unless our creators one day show us how they did it.
And it may never be. We might just be the only life anomaly across space and time. If so, that leaves us with an immense responsibility.

Posted by: UWDude | May 15 2024 1:11 utc | 177

Posted by: UWDude | May 15 2024 1:11 utc | 176
The eye doesnt impress me, but genetic replication does
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Actually, we don’t need to go as far as an eye. Just take a living cell which has so many ‘irreducibly complex’ working parts, much like a small city. The intelligent design crowd did some great work on this twenty years ago. The only real argument against it is insult, for example this entry in Wikipedia: “Michael Joseph Behe is an American biochemist and an advocate of the pseudoscientific principle of intelligent design.”
The debate, however, has generally been muddled by people fixating (sincerely and not) on the creationist straw man, setting up a false either-or dynamic. But that is a different argument moreover not needed to challenge the darwinian evolution theory which must stand on its own.
IMO there is no way that DNA is the product of random happenstance. It is, literally, incredible. You and others might disagree. Many books and papers are out there, but ultimately, it comes down to a judgment call, aka personal opinion. It also comes down to faith: those who believe in the materialist paradigm and those who do not. The problem is that materialists tend to believe that what they believe is not a belief but a fact and so discount all other ontologies as beneath contempt. That is why science changes so slowly even once data has proven an old theory wrong: because the theories reflect bedrock beliefs even though most scientists insist they are not moved by such unscientific drivers.

Posted by: scorpion | May 15 2024 1:50 utc | 178

IMO there is no way that DNA is the product of random happenstance. It is, literally, incredible. You and others might disagree. Many books and papers are out there, but ultimately, it comes down to a judgment call, aka personal opinion.
Posted by: scorpion | May 15 2024 1:50 utc | 177
That’s what I meant by genetic replication. I can see an eye evolving from a basic light sensor over billions of years. Trees are essentially one giant eye that reacts to sunlight.
But, I can not imagine how some how dna appeared, and then replicated, and then coded itself to form a bunch of cells that work in unison to create more dna of identical or near identical strands, and then, sexual reproduction for controlled mutation, determined itself by deeper code. Like asexual beings evolving to sexual beings, without knowing what a mate was, or that they needed to reproduce differently. and That is the philosophical how. The electro or chemo-electro mechanics of it is beyond chance, or so it seems.
But,
Innumerable stars and eons, and monkeys typewriters and Tolstoy.
Also, math, fractals and randomness blows my mind now that I do procedural generation.
So, I can see both natural existence by anomaly, and I see intelligent design, as both equally plausible.
It is unprovable, unless a creator proves it, somehow.
Even if we were to create life from nothing, we still would not have proven life does not need a creator, indeed, all it would prove is life has a creator.
I do think.the universe, aka planetary, universe, stars, galaxies etc having a creator to be far less likely, but not impossible. There may be beings the size of galaxies. We would never know.

Posted by: UWDude | May 15 2024 2:32 utc | 179

Posted by: UWDude | May 15 2024 2:32 utc | 178
Nice post/discussion. I think that whatever ‘creator’ exists exists now; and also is not separate from any aspect of creation. So what we have is some sort of continuum with many layers and levels that are both distinct and inseparable, like skeleton and viscera. The creator principle is related to the wholeness principle – an apple is an apple though comprised of trillions of different components which altogether make it so. Each component part only ‘knows’ where to go because it is part of that whole-appleness, or whole humanness. (The basis of acupuncture meridians.)
That idea level is formless but yet there is shape to the idea, a vector. In any case, that ideation/mind level exists concurrently with the physical manifest form level, it is not something distant or deep in the past. It is all happening here and now all the time eternally. We are multi-dimensional beings in a multi-dimensional realm. I think conceptually we create structures, barriers and complexities with thoughts bound by linguistic conventions which distort our perceptions of reality. Alot of wisdom comes from undoing these distortions effected via identification with verbalized thought. Imaged thought is different (and the hook on which the Yijing hangs).
It’s why I love Japanese haiku. One of the bestest and most perfectest of art forms. Combine some happening, with awareness echoing such happening, with awareness of that awareness. It’s a way of sharing space with the creator principle perhaps.
primeval pond…
leaping frog vanishes into
solitary plop

Posted by: scorpion | May 15 2024 2:58 utc | 180

Posted by: UWDude | May 15 2024 2:32 utc | 178
There may be beings the size of galaxies. We would never know.

I sometimes fancifully imagine that what we see as stars from our corporeal frame of perceptual reference are actually light being gods.
I wonder what we look like to flies or spiders…
on my white peony in bloom
a white spider with tiny green eyes
looking back at me

Posted by: scorpion | May 15 2024 3:09 utc | 181

Excellent article
‘Making mistakes is acceptable; lying is not’ – new Russian defense minister in quotes
Russian president has approved former Deputy Prime Minister Andrey Belousov as the new defense chief
Andrey Belousov has officially become the ninth minister of defense in the history of modern Russia. He was nominated by President Vladimir Putin on May 12. The decision was unexpected, as he is the first civilian to hold the post. Belousov has never served in law enforcement agencies and spent most of his career working as an academic economist.
At the same time, Belousov is a longstanding member of the Russian political elite who has held important government positions for the past 20 years. In these years, he has demonstrated his professionalism and his unique vision of Russia’s future.
To help get a better idea of who Andrey Belousov is, RT has compiled a selection of quotes from the new defense minister’s recent speeches and interviews.
RT alt url https://www.swentr.site/russia/597586-new-russian-defense-minister/

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 15 2024 3:31 utc | 182

https://t.me/llordofwar/348943

(flight tracker) The Americans took someone or something out of Haiti today.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 15 2024 7:37 utc | 183

that is some silly there, the whole “theory” of evolution, thing.
pretty funny. kinda telling, though.

Posted by: Not Ewe | May 15 2024 7:50 utc | 184

Posted by: scorpion | May 15 2024 0:36 utc | 174
Thank you for your response. There is a fundamental difference between philosophic scholars (hard to find an English translation for “Geisteswissenschaftler”) and science scholars (“Naturwissenschaftler” in German). The philosophic scholar puts extreme importance on the spoken or written word. He’s good at verbal expression and may even make a living from it (like a lawyer). He or she has read everything that matters, (including Marx and Darwin of course). She does not mind reading large volumes.
With me, a mathematician with a general science background dating from earlier times, where I was studying biology, it’s completely different. I’m not reading MoA posts exceeding one page, unless there is some promise in it to be rewarded. To me, language is just for communication, it’s not an art form, and it doesn’t contain the truth, neither in biology (and evolution) nor astronomy, nor the dispute on climate change. If Darwin may have blundered when talking about the complexity of eyes, or not, is irrelevant, there are so many things he did not know, like I tried to present in my posts on protein biosynthesis, or on the evolution of cats, dogs etc.
I’m fully aware that it’s different when discussing, for instance, Marx: here his precise wording becomes important – there is just not much else to go by except, maybe, for studying the achievements of Fidel Castro, or Evo Morales, or the USSR and China.
Thank you, by the way, for the Myers book – I’m still reading it, it is quite entertaining and opens unusual perspectives. I’m far from being able to position myself (between Stalin and Trotski), but since I’m not an ideologue, I’m under no pressure to do so.

Posted by: grunzt | May 15 2024 12:08 utc | 185

Posted by: librul | May 14 2024 17:13 utc | 162
The unhinged objections to this legislative would be amusing if it weren’t for the well known consequences of a country becoming yet another Empire shitting-barrel. The protagonists of these colour rev. NGOs must be the only people alive who can’t immediately recognise their game for species of whoring that it is.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/110466

❓The infamous Georgian law on foreign agents: what is it about?
The official name of the bill introduced by the ruling party is “On the Transparency of Foreign Influence”, also known as the law on foreign agents.
Its main purpose is to make transparent the income of non-profit organizations and media that are funded from abroad. The law doesn’t affect individuals.
❔What does it mean for those organizations in practice?
➡️legal entities whose sponsorship from foreign partners exceeds 20% of their total annual income will be required to provide reporting on their earnings.
➡️they will have to register their status of a foreign agent and annually submit a declaration of income.
➡️the maximum penalty for failure to comply is a fine of around $9.5 thousand.
The new law will not affect sports federations and the main administrative bodies of companies. Diplomats and officials of other countries also will not have to send reports.
A similar law exists in the United States, and is considered more strict due to the criminal liability incurred by a company that does not provide data on its financing.
💬Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze stated that the law has only one goal – to make public the financial statements of non-governmental organizations that receive millions of dollars from abroad and spend these funds “on subversive political activities.”
❔Why are so many people against it, and why has the law been dubbed “The Russian law”?
If you want our opinion – simply because Russia (just like many other countries) has a similar law, and, since it would inevitably reveal the influence that Western countries try to buy in Georgia, the main selling point is that “Georgia can’t afford to become like autocratic Russia”. Anyone with a shred of common sense can see that any organization that receives substantial Russian funding would have to report it too so it doesn’t put Russia in a more favorable position than any Western country’s.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 15 2024 12:18 utc | 186

Posted by: grunzt | May 15 2024 12:08 utc | 184
Todo bien. Thanks for the interchange.
There are several mathemeticians who have waded into the evolution debate (which again is really a question of whether or not bottom-up physicalism holds water), especially once DNA came into the picture because of its extraordinarily complex linguistics which can be analyzed viz probabilities etc.
I personally find the materialist question fascinating because I believe it a serious problem effecting no end of issues. Moreover, it is more a mindset than an ideology, a deeply held belief about the split nature of subjective and objective reality (aka dualism). So deeply is this belief, or view, held, that most of us literally cannot see it even when it’s pointed out.
This is similar to the Buddhist tradition’s treatment of advidya / ignorance / not knowing which is regarded as something active, not passive, because to not know one’s own nondual nature one has to deliberately construct an occluding dualist view which, once constructed, is remarkably hard to deconstruct or transcend. First one has to perceive it; but this is like seeing the lens of one’s own eyeballs – the main purpose of most contemplative disciplines, aka meditation practices.
So evolution theory is one of several fronts wherein this type of deconstruction, or relaxation of fixed views, can take place. I believe much of any authentic scientific process involves checking one’s assumptions at the door or at least verifying them before proceeding further. There are many materialist assumptions in Darwinian Evolution theory that until recently went unchecked.

Posted by: scorpion | May 15 2024 14:04 utc | 187

Posted by: grunzt | May 15 2024 12:08 utc | 184
viz Peter Myers: I find the book could use better production and editing but the material he has steadily collected over several decades and which he uses to unravel four main complicated conspiratorial skeins, tracing them back a couple of centuries or more in most cases, is revealing. It certainly helps clarify the Trotskyoid wokeness, something I always found strange being endorsed by the corporatocracy. It also confirmed for me something have felt for a while: the West is being deliberately taken down; it’s not just mass stupidity, though that has clearly been engendered deliberately so is an all too real phenomenon.
I fear for the future of my son and grandchildren if the world continues down the current rigidly secular and materialist road. But there are occasional signs of change in the air so one can yet hope.
Meanwhile though, thousands are being butchered every day. Things are not going well and how they go now is the foundation for what happens next. So we are not out of the woods.

Posted by: scorpion | May 15 2024 14:20 utc | 188

The ‘pop’ still trolling this forum hitching a ride across the river on every unsuspecting gullible Frog he can suck in. Enjoy the stink in it’s tail when it comes, and it will. It’s in his nature. Cannot help himself. Will never help you either.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 15 2024 14:25 utc | 189

He helped me, and still does. As a matter of course, and only then for some shared interest. He’s generous, polite, open for my critique right or wrong, and unashamed to pick up whatever he finds helpful of my offerings in return. He never wills something, never pushes or pulls on me, but welcomes me to be completely open in whatever I write to him – Ashley, aka the Scorpion, is who I mean.
You, Dog, there, on the other hand…

Posted by: persiflo | May 15 2024 16:18 utc | 190

How can the American public move beyond being spectators and consumers and become actual, literal participants in U.S. foreign policy? Here’s one way: the Merchants of Death War Crimes Tribunal, an online event scheduled for November 10-13, 2023.
As Kelly, one of the organizers, describes it:
“The Tribunal intends to collect evidence about crimes against humanity committed by those who develop, store, sell, and use weapons to commit crimes against humanity. Testimony is being sought from people who’ve borne the brunt of modern wars, the survivors of wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Gaza, and Somalia, to name but a few of the places where U.S. weapons have terrified people who’ve meant us no harm.”
Victims of war will be interviewed. Those who wage war, and those who profit from it, will be held accountable to the world.

Begs the question, do gringo want to participate in foreign policy , to change the status quo ?
Here’s fucker Carlson

Why is China allowed to practice imperialism in our sphere ?

[A gawd damned liar ]

All white nations should gang up on China, just like the good ole days of 8NA

[IOW, a gawd damned white supremacist]
FC to Putin

The question is what comes next? And maybe you trade one colonial power for another, much less sentimental and forgiving colonial power? Is the BRICS, for example, in danger of being completely dominated by the Chinese economy? In a way that is not good for their sovereignty. Do you worry about that?

[an empire apologist !]
Why FC ?
cuz he’s a Great White Hope, National hero.
He speaks for the people !
Now do you think gringo want any change to the status quo, the glorious pax Amerikka ?

Posted by: denk | May 15 2024 16:56 utc | 191

Posted by: Oliver Krug | May 14 2024 20:22 utc | 166
——————
Did Voltaire say the free speech quote ?
Whatever, there’s no way to verify.
No big deal.
What beats me tho, why is this serial lying pos a celebrity at the bar ?
pop

There’s a Russian./Han/Jew conspiracy to invade and take over the west, starting with North America
psssst
They are in cahoot with BLM, narco gangs and …..gov Newsom !!!!
Covid is a Han../Jew bio weapon to genocide the Whites and Blacks !!!
China’s bullying in SCS are driving all its neighbors to the USA.
Its this kind of bullying that riled up Genghis Khan in the first place,.

Posted by: denk | May 15 2024 16:57 utc | 192

I agree with deb that we shouldnt engage with the poop.
Im not engaging but exposing its shenanigans tho.
Such intervention would at least curb its
spamming if not stopping it entirely.

Posted by: denk | May 15 2024 17:24 utc | 193

here’s the link…
https://geopolitics.co/2023/01/08/before-the-bombs-come-the-platitudes/

Posted by: denk | May 15 2024 18:30 utc | 194

Erwin Sonderegger has written a very short article that touches on the matter of substance, and many others we’ve seen in this thread.
At one point, he says that
If one has realized that all understand is within a particular ‘world’ of opinions and beliefs, one will stop to claim one’s specific world against others.
The original is in German; using simple language, it should translate readily.

Posted by: persiflo | May 15 2024 19:42 utc | 195

Dear barflies of the realist/naturalist/materialist/etc inclination, please read closely:
… [to] claim one’s specific [own world]againstothers …

Posted by: persiflo | May 15 2024 19:48 utc | 196

Continuing the Sonderegger quote above, he says
To claim something is not the only viable position in a debate. You may also choose to doubt, to question, or to simply not claim, among many others.
:/:/:/:/:/:/:/:/
Yes, I should not post during a trainride again.

Posted by: persiflo | May 15 2024 20:00 utc | 197

It also confirmed for me something [I] have felt for a while: the West is being deliberately taken down; it’s not just mass stupidity,…

Posted by: scorpion | May 15 2024 14:20 utc | 188
I have been thinking so far, it is mass stupidity, owing itself to the omnipresence of smartphones and the inability of traditional education systems to cope with them. As a result, where we old guys have knowledge and skills, the new generation has nothing much.
But who is “taking down” the West deliberately? Which entity would be able to do this? Well, naming it on a German website could most likely bring our host in trouble, I suppose.
Yet I didn’t believe they could be this powerful, and smart. I may still change my mind on this. If you see me completely off track, please let me know.

Posted by: grunzt | May 16 2024 9:21 utc | 198