Russia, China Reveal Their Global Agenda
There will be more to say about the nearly 8,000 words long
Joint Statement of the People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation on deepening the comprehensive strategic cooperative partnership in the new era on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries (in Mandarin) (h/t Arnaud Bertrand).
But for now there are these two excerpts.
On multipolar global governance (machine translation):
The two sides pointed out that the great changes in the world have accelerated their evolution, the status and strength of emerging powers in the “global South” countries and regions have continued to increase, and the world's multipolarization has accelerated. These objective factors have accelerated the redistribution of development potential, resources, opportunities, etc., developed in a direction conducive to emerging markets and developing countries, and promoted the democratization of international relations and international fairness and justice. Countries that embrace hegemonism and power politics run counter to this, attempting to replace and subvert the recognized international order based on international law with a “rules-based order”. The two sides emphasized that the concept of building a community of human destiny and a series of global initiatives proposed by China are of great positive significance.As an independent force in the process of establishing a multipolar world, China and Russia will fully tap the potential of their relations, promote the realization of an equal and orderly multipolar world and the democratization of international relations, and gather strength to build a fair and reasonable multipolar world.
The two sides believe that all countries have the right to independently choose their development models and political, economic, and social systems in accordance with their national conditions and the will of the people, oppose interference in the internal affairs of sovereign countries, oppose unilateral sanctions and “long-arm jurisdiction” that have no basis in international law and are not authorized by the Security Council, and oppose ideological lines. The two sides pointed out that neocolonialism and hegemonism are completely contrary to the trend of today's era, and called for equal dialogue, the development of partnership, and the promotion of civilized exchanges and mutual learning.
The two sides will continue to firmly defend the results of the victory of the Second World War and the post-war world order enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, and oppose the denial, distortion and tampering with the history of the Second World War. The two sides pointed out that they must carry out correct historical education, protect the world's anti-fascist memorial facilities from desecration or destruction, and severely condemn the glorification and even attempts to resurrect Nazism and militarism. The two sides plan to celebrate the 80th anniversary of the victory of the Chinese People's War of Resistance against Japan and the Great Patriotic War in 2025, and jointly promote the correct view of the history of World War II.
The 'Global South', i.e. the majority of all countries, will very much welcome this.
On the war in Ukraine (machine translation):
The Russian side positively evaluates China's objective and fair position on the Ukraine issue, and agrees with the view that the crisis must be resolved on the basis of full and complete compliance with the Charter of the United Nations.The Russian side welcomes China's willingness to play a constructive role in resolving the Ukrainian crisis through political and diplomatic channels.
The two sides pointed out that they must stop all actions that have caused the delay of the war and the further escalation of the conflict, and called for the crisis to be avoided from spiraling out of control. The two sides emphasized that dialogue is a good way to resolve the Ukrainian crisis.
The two sides believe that in order to steadily resolve the Ukrainian crisis, it is necessary to eliminate the root causes of the crisis, abide by the principle of indivisibility of security, and take into account the reasonable security interests and concerns of all countries.
The two sides believe that the destiny of all peoples is shared, and no country should seek its own security at the expense of the security of other countries. The two sides expressed concern about the real challenges of international and regional security and pointed out that in the current geopolitical context, it is necessary to explore the establishment of a sustainable security system in the Eurasian space based on the principle of equality and indivisibility of security.
In total the statement has a lot for 'the West' to chew on.
It will thus do its best to denigrate and/or ignore it.
Posted by b on May 17, 2024 at 7:35 UTC | Permalink
next page »This meeting with Xi and Putin is THE MOST IMPORTANT event of this year.
The most stunning event was when Xi went up to Putin and hugged him.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/110746
Posted by: Rufus Arrr | May 17 2024 7:47 utc | 2
That "warm hug" will have sent shivers down the spines of the hegemon's sponsors.
karlof1 has posted the translation of the press conference - both opening comments [note Xi's five principles again] provide a succinct summary.
Simplicius has listed the very impressive heft of the RF delegation.
One expects the date of 'that warm hug' to go down in history.
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 17 2024 7:50 utc | 3
The UK has expelled the Russian military attache from the Russian embassy in London. In return, Russia has expelled the UK military attache. One communications channel less.
Posted by: passerby | May 17 2024 7:51 utc | 4
I know it’s just a machine translation, but instead of ‘delay of the war’ it should probably say ‘prolongation of the war’?
Posted by: Yadro | May 17 2024 8:08 utc | 6
This beginning of a New Era might be opposed by a resetting denouement in 2025 (war to hide financial reset). Psychopath cryptocrats are supersticious.
2025=(1+2+...+9)^2
2025=1^3+2^3+...+9^3
Posted by: Asian frog | May 17 2024 8:20 utc | 7
OT
ICJ live - Israel takes the floor a few mins ago.
https://www.icj-cij.org/multimedia-live-original
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 17 2024 8:20 utc | 8
In total the statement has a lot for 'the West' to chew on.
It will thus do its best to denigrate and/or ignore it.
Posted by b on May 17, 2024 at 7:35 UTC | Permalink
It's rapidly getting to the point where the west is the only player that really counts is finished.
That reality isn't going to be easy to denigrate and or ignore anymore.
Argentina is a peculiar outlier in the above scenario though!
Posted by: jpc | May 17 2024 8:29 utc | 10
On Ukraine
🧩🌍🧩 Swiss conference.Everything went well after the PRC statement
🇿🇦 South African President Ramaphosa will not go to the conference on Ukraine in Switzerland, his press service reported.
🇧🇷 Brazilian President Lula da Silva will not participate in the summit on the “Zelensky peace formula”, which will be held in Switzerland.
Sources tell CNN Brazil that a delegation from Brazil will attend the summit, but it will not be led by the president. The head of the delegation has also not yet been determined.
The global South demonstrates very high synchronization🤷
PS: we are worried about the Yermas, they spent half a day yesterday talking about what an effortful diplomatic victory Zelensky won in China.
https://t.me/ZeRada1/19690
Colleagues, we need to take into account the situation at the front, which is now playing against Bankova’s plans to gather the leaders of a hundred countries for the summit.At the moment, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and lobbyists are working with the Global South, but after China’s statements, it is not difficult to predict failure for Ukraine.
The President’s Office greatly delayed the process with Zelensky’s peace formula; it lost relevance after the failure of our counteroffensive and the successful offensive of the Russian army.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/22848
Posted by: Down South | May 17 2024 8:35 utc | 11
About the swiss meeting : there are only black and white keys on a piano. The Zelensky Piss Formula (beating piano keys with his dick until they comply) won't work on the Chinese.
Posted by: Asian frog | May 17 2024 8:45 utc | 12
That gives me a warm glow of a new birth.
A prospect of an end of fascists and their propaganda mind worms.
Let it bring an end to the fake trans humanist fantasies and celebrations of actual human diversity - not the smug alphabet soup green tinged rosey glasses of the Collective Waste.
And please please please the destruction of the likes of the Eurovision grotesques on display last Saturday.
Before I tackle the rest of the 8000 words just a repost of my early morning - the spring chorus starting earlier each night - snippet of the GT editorial on this monumental moment which is a final orders bell to the fake waste bankers and their centuries old plans.
‘ A mountain is formed by accumulation of soil and an ocean is formed by accumulation of water. After 75 years of solid accumulation, lasting friendship and all-round cooperation between China and Russia provide a strong impetus for the two countries to forge ahead despite wind and rain. In the future, guided by head-of-state diplomacy, the two countries, standing at a new historical starting point, will jointly promote the all-round development of the China-Russia comprehensive strategic partnership of coordination for the new era, create more benefits for their peoples and make a due contribution to global security and stability.’ https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202405/1312477.shtml
The ‘End of History’ has prematurely ended along with what’s left of the American Century and Eurocentric ‘civilisation’ in its withered gmo desiccated garden.
Posted by: DunGroanin | May 17 2024 8:58 utc | 13
While Russia, China and other Brics members in the future, work together to secure their country's sovereignty and well being, they will be exploring Space together while NASA and the other fake agencies, continue to loot the treasury and whatever is left of the US carcass. America - the biggest theft/con job the Planet has ever seen , sponsored by the Zionist Jews and their greedy American counterparts.
Posted by: GMC | May 17 2024 9:02 utc | 14
There is no "correct view of the history of World War II", because written history always represents - without few exceptions - the view of the Victors, and suppresses the view of the Loosers. Nothing to do with correctness. The atrocities and lies and satanic plots of the Victors are always justified, never war crimes, and tend to receive silent treatment in official history taught in schools and mass media.
Both USSR and China were full-out fascist after World War II - if not in ideology but certainly in their totalitarian methods - and China still is to a certain degree, in a modern technocratic way. So Russia and China had better refrain from lecturing about Nazism and militarism, unless they are willing to be honest and deal with Stalin and Mao at least as harshly as they dealt with European fascist leaders.
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 9:22 utc | 15
I wish them & those with them well, which includes me.
I am particularly pleased to finally hear actual confirmation of Chinese Governments preferred end state with reference to the Ukraine, which is in agreement with that of Russia.
Posted by: Per Terram | May 17 2024 9:33 utc | 16
@b
As I mentioned elsewhere, a reception fit for a Tsar…
Forgot to mention “ and a friend.”
As for Posted by: passerby | May 17 2024 7:51 utc | 4
It’s old news, decided a week ago and probably linked to either Georgia’s law or ammunition factories accidents.
Posted by: Newbie | May 17 2024 9:57 utc | 17
"There is no "correct view of the history of World War II""
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But there are a few basic truths hidden by Western palace scribes:
1) the bulk of the Second World War is on the one hand China defending itself against Japan's colonialism and, on the other hand, Russia defending itself against the madness of Adolf
2) Roosevelt was anxious to get into a big war because (1) he was visited at night by the ghosts of the Great Depression (2) he was (rightly unfortunately) enthusiastic about so-called military Keynesianism and (3) "war" for Washington meant sending Marines to distant lands (read "War is a racket")
3) The founding act in Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not alter one comma the surrender of an already defeated Japan, they did it for (1) the inertia of a gigantic project (2) out of perverse curiosity and (3) to make it clear to the world who was "the top dog".
4) The so-called Second World War is the return match in a chain of events: the last 'end of the world' (1914-1949) or great crisis of the British Empire similar or exactly like the great crisis (250-300) of the Roman Empire.
And The last end of the local world inn Europe began when a hard core within the London ruling class decided (ca. 1900-2) to destroy Germany and waited for the propitious occasion that presented in 1914.
Posted by: Simon | May 17 2024 10:05 utc | 18
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 9:22 utc | 15
Both USSR and China were full-out fascist after World War II - if not in ideology but certainly in their totalitarian methods - and China still is to a certain degree, in a modern technocratic way.
You have it backwards. It is not that the USSR and China turned fascist post WWII. The fact is 20th century fascism was a right-wing imitation of communism. 20th centrury fascism was in fact the pollution of conservative thinking with leftist collectivist and totalitarian ideas. So the Soviet Union and China post WWII just continued being the way they were before, while fascism, the right-wing imitation of communism, died in WWII.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 17 2024 10:10 utc | 19
Talks were at a standstill.
London had offered Uganda
and they were humbly reminded that London was a stinking swamp when Solomon wandered through palaces imagined by Aramaic storytellers.
But London panicked at the monstrous casualty figures among its soldiers: the war they had dreamed of to destroy Germany had turned into a ghastly nightmare
And so they came to an agreement:
- If you take the Americans to war we will give you Palestine.
- It's a deal
Posted by: Simon | May 17 2024 10:21 utc | 20
Don Firineach | May 17 2024 8:20 utc | 8
Watched some , Israel lies one after the other, just made me angry and turn it off. They actually claimed it can't be genocide now the UN counts deaths differently ie lower. ffs. So their defence was its a small genocide
Posted by: Hankster | May 17 2024 10:25 utc | 21
Both USSR and China were full-out fascist after World War II - if not in ideology but certainly in their totalitarian methods - and China still is to a certain degree, in a modern technocratic way. So Russia and China had better refrain from lecturing about Nazism and militarism, unless they are willing to be honest and deal with Stalin and Mao at least as harshly as they dealt with European fascist leaders.
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 9:22 utc | 15
For some reason you can't seem to grasp the difference between the actions of Mao and Stalin and their ideology. If Hitler, Stalin and mao all get up in the morning and brush their teeth does that mean they all have the same political ideology?? No? Then why do you think violent repression means they have the same ideology? Don't mistake the symptoms for the disease.
Posted by: HB_Norica | May 17 2024 10:31 utc | 22
In 1917
In 1917 Vladimir Jabotinsky arrived with his troop of Ukrainians, Poles, Lithuanians and Belarusians ... and the British Empire.
The people rightly protested in horror: - how is this, the British Empire is promising our country to Ukrainian fanatics
And in the 30s the British Empire and these Ukrainians, Poles, Lithuanians and Byelorussians made the first pedagogical massacres so that the local population would understand who was the dominant people and who was the subjugated population.
Posted by: Simon | May 17 2024 10:33 utc | 23
For some reason you can't seem to grasp the difference between the actions of Mao and Stalin and their ideology. If Hitler, Stalin and mao all get up in the morning and brush their teeth does that mean they all have the same political ideology?? No? Then why do you think violent repression means they have the same ideology? Don't mistake the symptoms for the disease.Posted by: HB_Norica | May 17 2024 10:31 utc | 22
I'm fully with you on that, you misunderstood my saying "if not the ideology". The ideology is different, the methods are very similar.
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 10:38 utc | 24
Another public signal from Russia that they are eager for a peace deal. So long as it is not the Z complete reversal.
Clearly Russia lacks the ability to advance across Ukraine on any significant time scale. Pace of territory change is glacial.
Putin miscalculated and wants free from the tar baby. So long as there is a way to save face.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 17 2024 10:44 utc | 25
History is written by the victor..is true, but imagine being the moral retard whose compass is so broken that his ounce of knowledge is spent to diminish and equivocate rather than recognize right regardless of might.
Posted by: Hahajizzjizz | May 17 2024 10:48 utc | 26
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 17 2024 7:50 utc | 3
That "warm hug" will have sent shivers down the spines of the hegemon's sponsors.
That gesture was indeed very significant. Putin seemed surprised at first, it took him a second to realize Xi was giving him a hug. The whole thing seemed spontaneous. I was in China last month and my hosts were very kind, we worked together for a week, and on Friday when we were closing the shop the senior officer gave me a hug too while saying good bye, lol, though I was sent with junior officers to the airport in Pudong and there was no red carpet or groupies taking pictures.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 17 2024 10:51 utc | 27
"Both USSR and China were full-out fascist after World War II"
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Yes, but if we are willing to admit the whole truth: Washington picked up Adolph's baton: where Adolph left off, Washington picked up:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jakarta_Method
(The massacres suffered by the Polish-Ukrainian Yiddish people come from the fact that in the eyes of the blond beast they were socialists, communists and people of the East: Slavs like the Russians.)
In fact even last NATO's track record is clear: first with the Croatians ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia
... and then (2014-) with the Volynian nationalists and 14th Waffen SS nostalgics
Posted by: Simon | May 17 2024 10:56 utc | 28
But there are a few basic truths hidden by Western palace scribes:1) the bulk of the Second World War is on the one hand China defending itself against Japan's colonialism and, on the other hand, Russia defending itself against the madness of Adolf
Posted by: Simon | May 17 2024 10:05 utc | 18
Beg to differ on this one. "Russia defending itself against the madness of Adolf". The truth of the matter is that Stalin was already finished preparing an all-out invasion on Europe, all stockpiles and equipment in place, only the soldiers not yet deployed. The Red Army was geared for attack, not defense. Two weeks before Stalin's expected launch date, Hitler decided the only chance of survival was a pre-emptive attack. The Wehrmacht was not equipped for that move, it was not a thorougly planned German invasion of USSR but a desparate move to stop the mighty military machine of the Red Army, which, once set in motion, would have been unstoppable. The final outcome was a disaster nonetheless, but many revisionists agree that Stalin would have steamrollered Europe through to the Pyrenees if not the Atlantic several years earlier, if it wasn't for Germany's surprise attack preventing him. The US entered the European theater primarily not to defeat Germany (it was already defeated at the time) but to prevent Stalin from achieving his original intention of ruling central Europe, and to keep a firm grasp on their piece of the German industry pie which they had heavily invested in before the war broke out.
So much for the Great Patriotic War.
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 10:59 utc | 29
And today, as kids are learning at university, Judaic fascism is the official religion of the Anglo-Zionist empire, last version of the Roman empire.
Rome
Great Crisis (250-300)
Constantinople
London
Great Crisis (1914-1949)
Washington
Posted by: Simon | May 17 2024 11:08 utc | 30
I can't quite see why you are so critical of Russia and China, while not criticising the British and US empires. Both of these institutions killed just as many people as the Soviet and Chinese governments did. They may have spaced them out more over time, but the numbers will be similar, possibly greater.
The British Empire oversaw famines in Ireland and India wherein millions died. Then there were vicious wars in China, India, Kenya, South Africa, and multiple other spots across the globe, including Burma and Malaya where millions more died. Finally there was WW1 in which the BE was significantly involved in starting off.
The US Empire started off by genociding the Native Americans, then went on to massacres of Phillipinos and Chinese. They followed that with Japanese, Vietnamese, Libyans, Iraqis, Syrians and millions of Communists in Indonesia. (Not all of these were killed by US forces, but were carried out by proxies, who would not have done so, or done so to such an extent, without US 'guidance' and aid. And now we have the Ukraine - another US instigated human disaster.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | May 17 2024 11:22 utc | 31
Earlier comment by me in reply to Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 9:22 utc | 15
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | May 17 2024 11:24 utc | 32
@29,
Two weeks before Stalin's expected launch date, Hitler decided the only chance of survival was a pre-emptive attack. The Wehrmacht was not equipped for that move, it was not a thorougly planned German invasion of USSR but a desparate move to stop the mighty military machine of the Red Army, which, once set in motion, would have been unstoppable.
That's what I love about history, there is always someone to point to a different direction. So I am assume that in your view, a desperate army is attacking with more soldiers than the Soviets (look at the actual data), has pretty much full grip on Europe, more trained than the Soviets were and chooses to open a completely different front without defeating Great Britain first. How about you speak of the actual data that points to the fact that Germany talk about the lands in the East even before WW2 even started?
It's because people like you that make propaganda believable and it's because of people like you that history tends to repeat every single time.
Posted by: JamesBond | May 17 2024 11:33 utc | 33
Guatemala
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide
The Mental Software of the empire, the intoxicant that drunks the minds of the ruling class is a fusion of Roman imperial ideology and bloody Aramaic fantasies, read the Book of Deuteronomy.
Posted by: Simon | May 17 2024 11:35 utc | 34
Wow!
Thanks for providing this text.
Wonderfully articulate and thoughtful (despite machine translation).
I particularly like the phrase "building a community of human destiny."
Posted by: Jane | May 17 2024 11:44 utc | 35
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 10:59 utc | 29
The truth of the matter is that Stalin was already finished preparing an all-out invasion on Europe, ...
Lol! Some lunatic conspiracy theory coming from turncoat dilettante Rezun. This particular figment has been well discussed in The Unz Review. Wiser people read David M. Glantz, a real historian that searched the archives of the Soviet Union.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 17 2024 11:52 utc | 36
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 9:22 utc | 15
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This comment is a big red herring/misdirection of attention/straw man argument.
I think everyone here knows what "rewriting the history of WW2" means in the context of the RF.
So, I won't waste space explaining it.
Posted by: Jane | May 17 2024 11:54 utc | 37
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 10:59 utc | 29
did you read that in one of the newly "historically correct" eu history books, like the ones currently circulating in the baltics?
Posted by: Justpassinby | May 17 2024 11:55 utc | 38
The first fusion
The first fusion of Roman imperial ideology and bloody Aramaic fantasies is relatively old (ca. 400/600)
The last fusion is very recent (ca. 1963/67)
The former was called Christianity and the latter we can simply call Zionism.
Posted by: Simon | May 17 2024 11:56 utc | 39
Daily Willy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97K2h1bCmeE (map starts at 12:00)
Overall, back to the slow, get excited about a treeline, level of changes.
Kharkiv:
DS has slight increase towards Vovchansk on the E salient. Willy criticizes DS, says is behind. Is geo confirmation of deeper entry into Vovchansk. Also, Noel shows same. No evidence of RFA south of Vov’s river.
On the E salient, DS shows no change, but Noel shows and advance towards Litpsi.
Kupiansk (Luhansk front): DS shows an RFA advance in the fields. Suriyak shows same, but smaller.
Chasiv Yar: no changes
Netalove: Suriyak shows RFA advance. DS does not.
Kraz: no changes.
Marinka/Heorhivka: Suriyak shows and RFA advance. DS does not.
Robotyne: no changes.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 17 2024 12:17 utc | 40
Confirmed - Russia has no plans to capture Kharkov – Putin
Moscow’s combat operations in the area are aimed at creating a “cordon sanitaire” on the border, the Russian president has said
Speaking to reporters at the Harbin Institute of Technology during his two-day visit to China, Putin commented on Russia’s operations in Kharkov Region, asserting that Moscow is achieving success on the battlefield by acting “strictly according to plan.”
When asked about Russia’s goals there, Putin noted that Ukraine is to blame for recent fighting in the area, as it “unfortunately continues to shell residential blocks in the border areas, including Belgorod.”
“Civilians are dying out there. Everything is crystal clear. They are firing directly at the center of the city,” the president said, recalling that he had publicly warned Kiev that Russia would be forced to establish a “cordon sanitaire” in the areas under Kiev’s control if the attacks continued. (a couple months ago, Lavrov as well)
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | May 17 2024 12:30 utc | 41
This surely was composed specifically with Matthias in mind?
"The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or committed Communist, but people for whom the distinction between facts and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist."
~ Hannah Arendt
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | May 17 2024 12:45 utc | 42
Постоји опасност да руске јединице уђу у позадински део фронта украјинских снага у Харковској области, изјавио је главнокомандујући Оружаних снага Украјине Александар Сирски.
There is a danger that Russian units will enter the rear of the front of the Ukrainian forces in the Kharkov region, said the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Alexander Sirsky.
Posted by: guest | May 17 2024 12:48 utc | 43
Lavrov's [email protected] translation I read, he said, no intentions of capturing Kharkov "today", might be a translation thing, might be Putin playing coy. Looks like more grinding required the temporary reserve deployment seems to have slowed the Russian non territorial gain game.
Cheers M
.....the border regions have been shelled for over a year, some dead a few wounded here and there.....wonder what the rush is for the sanitary corridor...
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 17 2024 12:50 utc | 44
Some lunatic conspiracy theory coming from turncoat dilettante Rezun. This particular figment has been well discussed in The Unz Review. Wiser people read David M. Glantz, a real historian that searched the archives of the Soviet Union.Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 17 2024 11:52 utc | 36
Ron Unz has indeed discussed the matter, but it does not "come from him".
The Hypothesis originates from Viktor Suvorov, a veteran Soviet military intelligence officer who had defected to the West in 1978 and written the book “Icebreaker”.
The Wehrmacht had the better soldiers but was not as big and as well equipped as would be needed for a well-planned large-scale invasion of the vast Eastern territory:
Quote Ron Unz: “Certainly, many aspects of the Soviet military machine were primitive, but exactly the same was true of their Nazi opponents. Perhaps the most surprising detail about the technology of the invading Wehrmacht in 1941 was that its transportation system was still almost entirely pre-modern, relying upon wagons and carts drawn by 750,000 horses to maintain the vital flow of ammunition and replacements to its advancing armies. […] Germany entered the war with 4,000 paratroops. However, the Soviets had at least 1,000,000 trained paratroopers.”
Stalin’s Red Army was far superior in numbers as well as in offensive technology:
“Meanwhile, major categories of Soviet weapons systems seem almost impossible to explain except as important elements of Stalin’s offensive plans. Although the bulk of the Soviet armored forces were medium tanks like the T-28 and T-34, generally far superior to their German counterparts, the USSR had also pioneered the development of several lines of highly specialized tanks, most of which had no counterpart elsewhere in the world.
“The Soviets had produced a remarkable line of light BT tanks, easily able to shed their tracks and continue on wheels, achieving a top speed of 60 miles per hour, two or three times faster than any other comparable armored vehicle, and ideally suited to exploitation drives deep into enemy territory. However, such wheeled operation was only effective on paved highways, of which Soviet territory had none, hence were ideally suited for travel on Germany’s large network of autobahns. In 1941 Stalin deployed almost 6,500 of these autobahn-oriented tanks, more than the rest of the world’s tanks combined.
“For centuries, Continental conquerors from Napoleon to Hitler had been stymied by the barrier of the English Channel, but Stalin was far better prepared. Although the vast Soviet Union was entirely a land-power, he pioneered the world’s only series of fully amphibious light tanks, able to successfully cross large rivers, lakes, and even that notoriously wide moat last successfully traversed by William the Conqueror in 1066. By 1941, the Soviets deployed 4,000 of these amphibious tanks, far more than the 3,350 German tanks of all types used in the attack. But being useless in defense, they were all ordered abandoned or destroyed.
“The Soviets also fielded many thousands of heavy tanks, intended to engage and defeat enemy armor, while the Germans had none at all. In direct combat, a Soviet KV-1 or KV-2 could easily destroy four or five of the best German tanks, while remaining almost invulnerable to enemy shells. Suvorov recounts the example of a KV which took 43 direct hits before finally becoming incapacitated, surrounded by the hulks of the ten German tanks it had first managed to destroy.
And there is pressing evidence of Stalin’s actual prepping for Invasion of Europe, for example:
“There is considerable evidence that in the weeks prior to the German surprise attack, Stalin had ordered the release of many hundreds of thousands of Gulag prisoners, who were issued basic weapons and organized into NKVD-led divisions and corps, constituting a substantial part of the Second Strategic Echelon located hundreds of miles from the German border. These units may have been intended to serve as occupation troops, allowing the much more powerful front-line forces to press onward and complete the conquests of France, Italy, the Balkans, and Spain. Otherwise, I can find no other plausible explanation for Stalin’s action.
Unz’s conclusion reads:
“Suvorov’s reconstruction of the weeks directly preceding the outbreak of combat is a fascinating one, emphasizing the mirror-image actions taken by both the Soviet and German armies. Each side moved its best striking units, airfields, and ammunition dumps close to the border, ideal for an attack but very vulnerable in defense. Each side carefully deactivated any residual minefields and ripped out any barbed wire obstacles, lest these hinder the forthcoming attack. Each side did its best to camouflage their preparations, talking loudly about peace while preparing for imminent war. The Soviet deployment had begun much earlier, but since their forces were so much larger and had far greater distances to cross, they were not yet quite ready for their attack when the Germans struck, and thereby shattered Stalin’s planned conquest of Europe.
All of the above examples of Soviet weapons systems and strategic decisions seem very difficult to explain under the conventional defensive narrative, but make perfect sense if Stalin’s orientation from 1939 onward had always been an offensive one, and he had decided that summer 1941 was the time to strike and enlarge his Soviet Union to include all the European states, just as Lenin had originally intended. And Suvorov provides many dozens of additional examples, building brick by brick a very compelling case for this theory.”
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That’s now enough distraction from the topic of the article. I fully understand why Putin has to draw on the established defensive narrative of the Great Patriotic War to keep his country motivated for the Ukraine war. Now is not the time for such sobering revelations, not publicly. I just hate it when the successors of two of the most barbaric regimes (Stalin and Mao) try to insist on what they call "correct history", i.e. one that makes them look good; regardless of present day political needs which I can understand and sympathise with. We all want NATO defeated and deconstructed. But when this is accomplished, we need a correction of the record. The time of correction will come.
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 12:53 utc | 45
@Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 9:22 utc | 15
Please don't embarrass yourself. You do realize the absolute irony of you spouting verbatim anti-communist trope (Stalin and Mao were monsters) is the result of the West spending countless billions to undermine and destroy socialism during the Cold War and this victor's narrative is contrary to actual facts? If these two great leaders killed so many of their own people why do the majority of Russians and Chinese consider them heroes?
Posted by: Jun | May 17 2024 13:00 utc | 46
Wow! Thanks for providing this text.
Wonderfully articulate and thoughtful (despite machine translation).
@ Jane | May 17 2024 11:44 utc | 35
I second that emotion. Every paragraph is packed with interesting, often surprising subtleties. What a statement!
I especially appreciate this:
The two sides will continue to firmly defend the results of the victory of the Second World War and the post-war world order enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, and oppose the denial, distortion and tampering with the history of the Second World War.
The gem of enlightenment here is that human progress and historical legitimacy go hand in hand. Today's "neocolonial, hegemonic" assault is a double-barrel discipline: in order to dismantle all international institutions of peace and cooperation, the beast continually assaults the very history from which those institutions originated.
It's not a matter of enforcing "historical correctness" to make sure everyone agrees. When it's considered patriotic for a US American to worship Stepan Bandera, historical understanding has exited plausibility, and entered pathological distortion.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 17 2024 13:06 utc | 48
Well, lookie lookie. Even if western shills would like to ignore this historical event, gold and silver prices certainly are not ignoring it.
Posted by: unimperator | May 17 2024 13:15 utc | 49
I was going to ask from where did you get this "info" Matthias.
Viktor Suvorov must be some genius to figure out what no one else knew ...... before or since.
The question is - why do you consciously believe him and disbelieve all the others? (rhetorical question)
Hey, maybe he's right. If he is it makes no difference at all today, beyond a minor 'curiosity', to the issues on the table nor the Russia and China agendas.
Matthias says - " we need a correction of the record. "
Do we? I can't see it's that important, or can think of anything less important. It's all been argued before anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov
But hey, if that's what motivates you, all power to you.
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | May 17 2024 13:21 utc | 50
If these two great leaders killed so many of their own people why do the majority of Russians and Chinese consider them heroes?Posted by: Jun | May 17 2024 13:00 utc | 46
Ahem... I think you greatly underestimate the extent and effect of longterm fear and longterm propaganda on a people. Generations of Russians and Chinese grew up practically worshipping these leaders because if you didn't you were socially relegated or ended up in a Gulag. This is not easy to dissolve, especially if the present governments still benefit from it and requires unity to master the present conflict with the West.
Have you been to China? I have, many times, and spoken with many Chinese over beer. There is still no freedom of thought there. People operate within a well-established corridor of allowed concepts, they do not question the Communist party line. I sometimes tentatively crossed these lines, for example asking about Tibet policy. The Chinese almost begged me to shut up and not stir trouble.
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 13:22 utc | 51
Matthias is a blatant fascist troll. Stop responding to him.
We have all heard his drivel all our lives. He does nothing here even to refresh the propaganda. Ignore the fool.
Posted by: oldhippie | May 17 2024 13:23 utc | 52
Jun | May 17 2024 13:00 utc | 46
"If these two great leaders killed so many of their own people why do the majority of Russians and Chinese consider them heroes?"
Because they won their wars, and history is written by the winners? Why is Ghengis Khan a hero of Mongolia?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 17 2024 13:23 utc | 53
PS "two of the most barbaric regimes (Stalin and Mao)"
Of which Putin and Xi are "successors" thereof .... nice little added twist of Sophistry / Logical Fallacy Trope there.
You need to get out more Matthias, or study some history. :-/
OK, that;s enough attention on this matter ... da end.
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | May 17 2024 13:27 utc | 54
It’s old news, decided a week ago and probably linked to either Georgia’s law or ammunition factories accidents.
Posted by: Newbie | May 17 2024 9:57 utc | 17
Yes. But imagine that UK and Russian troops end up shooting at each other.
Until recently, you could call the military attache and try to de-escalate. AKA "What the hell do you think you're doing?"
Right now, that option has disappeared. So the probability of things getting out of hand is increasing.
I would guess the Russians will make one last diplomatic move - say, withdrawing the ambassador for consultation - before making a military move - say, sending in the missiles. There isn't much the UK can do that it's not doing already.
Posted by: Passerby | May 17 2024 13:28 utc | 55
There is a danger that Russian units will enter the rear of the front of the Ukrainian forces in the Kharkov region, said the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Alexander Sirsky.Posted by: guest | May 17 2024 12:48 utc | 43
Putin said recently that they have no immediate goals of liberating Kharkov, rather than creating a buffer to minimize AFU ability to shell Russian towns.
However, more detailed analysis, also reflected in Alex's recent article on BMA and Simplicius article may indicate that other unstated goals are to stretch the AFU. This is already rather well known already from a lot of analytical pieces.
I don't think RU intends to fight inside Kharkov, but rather eventually make AFU situation impossible to hold it by slowly enveloping it and taking the roads west of it under control. The front is also a new front on the east-west direction forcing AFU to get troops from somewhere (where?) to defend it. Vovchansk is already, effectively isolated due to the Severski river, the bridges destroyed and loss of the bridge at Burguvatka.
The initiative is on the Russian side, they have forced AFU to act and Vovchansk-Burguvatka line is already split by the river. Vovchansk is not supportable anymore and disconnected from Ukraine's mainland.
Posted by: unimperator | May 17 2024 13:28 utc | 56
"The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or committed Communist, but people for whom the distinction between facts and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist."
~ Hannah Arendt
@ Lavrov's Dog | May 17 2024 12:45 utc | 42
Is that from The Origins of Totalitarianism? This passage you share is a startling sparkle, crystal clear, from Arendt. Possibly the most brilliant and misunderstood philosopher of the 20th century. Certainly way too smart for me -- Hannah Arendt requires many repeated readings before I can approach understanding.
Ironically, it was Arendt's voicing of a quite blunt, simple, naked truth which basically destroyed comity with philosophical colleagues. Arendt spoke the unspeakable about capos: that there is indeed such a thing as a Jewish Nazi!
Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 17 2024 13:30 utc | 57
Posted by: oldhippie | May 17 2024 13:23 utc | 52
Ignore the fool.
Agreed.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 17 2024 13:30 utc | 58
I sometimes tentatively crossed these lines, for example asking about Tibet policy. The Chinese almost begged me to shut up and not stir trouble.
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 13:22 utc | 51
Oh right, so you're a paid ngo / intel activist asset. Right. And a Fascist TROLL. And a Liar too.
Got it.
Well enjoy yourself while it lasts. LOL
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | May 17 2024 13:31 utc | 59
unimperator | May 17 2024 13:15 utc | 49
Why exactly are bullion prices rising? Me no understand.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 17 2024 13:32 utc | 60
But why only ALMOST BEGGED .... surely if living in deep totalitarian fear they definitely must have BEGGED you to stop Mattias.
hehehehe - Gotta love these jokers. (smile)
[ and yes to others, I'll stop now too ]
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | May 17 2024 13:34 utc | 61
Yes. But imagine that UK and Russian troops end up shooting at each other.
Until recently, you could call the military attache and try to de-escalate. AKA "What the hell do you think you're doing?"
Right now, that option has disappeared. So the probability of things getting out of hand is increasing.
I would guess the Russians will make one last diplomatic move - say, withdrawing the ambassador for consultation - before making a military move - say, sending in the missiles. There isn't much the UK can do that it's not doing already.
Posted by: Passerby | May 17 2024 13:28 utc | 55
If they end up shooting, would you trust anything they say afterwards?
RF no longer does...
https://tass.com/politics/1789433?
Posted by: Newbie | May 17 2024 13:35 utc | 62
This short-medium length piece argues that although there are real differences at lower levels between nation states and related blocs, there is a higher 'oligarchic' level wherein all seeming adversaries are embracing the same 'pillars', featuring things like digital currency and ID's etc., making the MWO (Multipolar World Order) a new iteration of OWO (One World Order).
People followed both Hitler and Stalin in the 1930's because they fixed so much of what had been broken in earlier decades. Both peoples felt they were involved in a truly existential struggle for survival. The current Hegemon versus MWO setup is looking increasingly similar though we all (fondly) hope it plays out bloodlessly n remote diplomatic corridors or proxy battlefields like Ukraine, not in our own streets, fields or bank accounts.
For now, the MWO side is much more appealing; they have momentum and their people have improving lives with well respected governance. What they say and do make sense. Meanwhile the West is being dragged down into discordant, degrading Babel by ascendant Trotskyoid movements embedded within the corporatocracy. Once the West has lost its clout - not long now - there will be no great existential conflict remaining so then we shall see what the shared NWO pillars both blocs are now building lead into, and what sort of Brave New World we shall all be sharing.
Meanwhile, we get to watch the best geopolitical good-cop bad-cop show in a century!
https://iaindavis.substack.com/p/the-theyre-all-in-it-together-rebuttal
Sorry, the above link was via my substack subscription email. This is the stand-alone link.
for example asking about Tibet policy. The Chinese almost begged me to shut up and not stir trouble.Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 13:22 utc | 51
funny. yesterday at work some colleagues begged me to stop asking why our west with all their "values" is fasciliating fascism and supporting nazism. seems i was stirring up trouble for having freedom of thought.
Posted by: Justpassinby | May 17 2024 13:52 utc | 65
Re: "Putin weaponized..."
Blinken says Putin weaponized Ukraine's corruption. (video)
🇺🇸🇺🇦🇷🇺🚨‼️ BREAKING: Ukraine's corruption was weaponised by the Russian president!So let me get this straight, Ukraine had a good ol' classic civil and un-weaponized corruption. But then, out of nowhere ... Vlad came and weaponised it!
LMAO, they are delusional ...
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 17 2024 13:55 utc | 66
Look
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
Wikipedia deceives boys and girls and does not tell the truth: manifest destiny was based on Old Testament Israel
So it was very easy to go from the old Fusion to the new (1963/67-) Fusion:
https://i.postimg.cc/SKZQfCRZ/Screenshot-2024-05-17-15-57-14-80.jpg
This
is
America
Posted by: Simon | May 17 2024 14:03 utc | 67
Posted by: Justpassinby | May 17 2024 13:52 utc | 65
In the West we have equality and freedom.
You and Elon Musk both are equally free to buy social networks, and set up a global satellite network.
Posted by: Passerby | May 17 2024 14:07 utc | 68
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 10:59 utc | 29
Subtle revisionist history, this is not.
Part of Georgian Joseph's plan was to gut the Soviet Military of capable officers, including Zhukov? Spend 2 weeks on a bender while Adolf marched deep into the Soviet states?
Yessir, them Russians are very crafty, getting millions killed before they spring a well-thought out strategic trap after Germany captured nearly all of the Western Soviet.
You're the last survivor of the Hitler Youth? The chubby faced kid with the last pinched cheek from the walking dead Austrian Corporal delirium?
Posted by: kupkee | May 17 2024 14:07 utc | 69
funny. yesterday at work some colleagues begged me to stop asking why our west with all their "values" is fasciliating fascism and supporting nazism. seems i was stirring up trouble for having freedom of thought.
Posted by: Justpassinby | May 17 2024 13:52 utc | 65
Yes, Europe is unfortunately moving in the wrong direction. The question is how far will they go and when will it stop.
Posted by: NoName | May 17 2024 14:08 utc | 70
Why would the MoD and the Supreme Commander reveal what the plans are regarding Kharkov? C'mon folks.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 17 2024 14:10 utc | 71
speaking of freedom of thought, the thoughpolice at the council of europe, totally elected by the people, decided to take away more freedom from us today:
it start with the "war of aggression" lie in the title, and gets really creative, like good ol goebbels would do, further in the text:
The Russian Federation has engaged in a systematic, international campaign of media and information manipulation, interference and grave distortion of facts in order to justify and support its full-scale aggression against Ukraine, and to enhance its strategy of destabilisation of its neighbouring countries, and of the EU and its member states.
shameless, lying hypocrites.
Posted by: Justpassinby | May 17 2024 14:12 utc | 72
Maybe another thing might come out of this meeting is some capital injection.
Although RF debt is only 15% GDP, there was a very steep rise in short term yields.
1 and 2 years basically doubled from 8% to 16%
https://www.investing.com/rates-bonds/russia-government-bonds
Posted by: Newbie | May 17 2024 14:14 utc | 73
Thanks for the posting b and for the one yesterday about how the Al-Aqsa Flood is a making a difference
The China/Russia alliance is going to be harder for the West to ignore and/or think they can break the alliance. The whole geo-political strategy of containment of Russia and China is not working and instead is isolating empire from all its colonies.
China and Russia keep hoping for change in the behavior of empire but show with their nuke football presence that they are ready for all out war if empire continues their barbaristic aggression around the world.
The shit show continues until it doesn't and more and more are revolting at the smell of dying empire.
Do we pause for a Hollywood intermission now or plunge right into the main scene?
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 17 2024 14:16 utc | 74
If these two great leaders killed so many of their own people why do the majority of Russians and Chinese consider them heroes?
Posted by: Jun | May 17 2024 13:00 utc | 46
I also asked myself this question several times, because for me those two guys are not one inch better than Hitler.
Maybe YetAnotherAnon is right, when he wrote @53 because they won and history is written bei winners.
Take for example Napoleon… for me he was a butcher… but for many French he is a national hero.
Posted by: NoName | May 17 2024 14:17 utc | 75
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | May 17 2024 12:30 utc | 41
https://t.me/zarubinreporter/2610
That's the link to that excerpt, and the whole presser follows, fortunately it was separated so it was easy to double check, yes Putin said that today no plans for Kharkov, today, except for the sanitary cordon.
Heard the whole presser and the main point for me, a bit shocking due to Putin's usual politeness, coolness and balanced approach was his reference to Europe suffering US secondary sanctions, he said Europe sucks, yes sucks it as a good vassal, shocked but I could not agree more, it is just shameful to watch our media and politicians behaving as cheap whores.
Posted by: Paco | May 17 2024 14:28 utc | 76
Appealing to the UN Charter as originally intended? According to that, Taiwan should sit on the Security Council. Invoking the authority of the Security Council resolutions? According to that, the People's Republic should have applauded the US conquest of all Korea, instead of intervening. Standing on the victory of WWII? According to that, the US is the leader of the world, with the bankrupt British empire and the whitewashed Vichy and the Republic of China giving a handful of formal powers to the USSR...which no longer exists. Sober Yeltsin has nothing to do with the victory of the Red Army and the Soviet peoples! It is Putin's band that destroyed Leningrad and Stalingrad, long after the fascists failed. [Sorry, no, Putin is just another restorationist.] Perhaps worst of all, the Security Council is a bald-faced announcement that the great powers rule, not the general assembly of nations.
Also, isn't multipolarization literally multiple poles, i.e., many spheres of interest? Such spheres of interest are demarcated by competition, diplomatic, economic, political, military, up to and including arbitration by war. The unequal results of such great power competition for the areas oriented to the great powers' pole of attraction are not apt to be founded on reason and formal equality. Generally, in each of the multiple regions, the pole gets the lion's share. Multipolarity is a reactionary utopia.
The whole general perspective has a creepy analogy to right wing US politics, where silly conservatives imagine that the Constitution/UN Charter is all it takes and therefore government, laws and even basic politics somehow has nothing to do with actual life. Somehow an old document (possibly handed down by God?) is going to interpret itself? It's like some so-called sovereign citizen claiming their personal misreading must be true. This is absurd. [Formally, "rules-based order" is analogous to laws and regulations subsequent to the promulgation of a constitution/UN Charter. The fact that the rules are unfair and rigged for the US as already pointed irrelevant, because the UN's very structure is that the Great Powers rule.]
Going back to when the US was the conqueror of the rest of the world (one reason for the slow disappearance of most of the colonial empires) but the USSR was wrecked by the tragic sacrifices for victory is not even possible. That's not just because there is no more USSR. Reversing US hegemony means the defeat of the US. Not there yet folks.
Posted by: steven t johnson | May 17 2024 14:28 utc | 77
@Simon | Fri, 17 May 2024 10:05:00 GMT | 18
The so-called Second World War is the return match in a chain of events: the last 'end of the world' (1914-1949) or great crisis of the British Empire similar or exactly like the great crisis (250-300) of the Roman Empire.
Yep.
Germany 1-0 Rome (Arminius, 09. with a hat trick)
Germany 1-1 Rome (Charlemagne, 800., after being set up by Augustinus)
Germany 2-1 Rome (Martin Luther, 1618., from the penalty spot)
Germany 2-2 Rome (1914ff, Uncle Shmuel who came on as a substitute)
Posted by: persiflo | May 17 2024 14:32 utc | 78
Fascinating that on a forum committed to open dialogue, with the stated proviso: "Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators," Mattias stated a controversial opinion, backed it with facts and references, answered criticisms of his controversial position with more facts and reasoned argument. Did not engage in ad hominem at any point.
OTOH, numerous others of the bar's denizens DID call Mattias names and DID derogate his controversial opinion not on the strength of contrary facts but primarily because Mattias offended the prevailing "victor's history" that current rock-star leaders, Xi and Putin, seek to enshrine in stone for perpetuity.
It's worth reflecting that Hitler was a world leader so admired that he was named man of the year.
It is remarkable that Arendt wrote of
"people for whom the distinction between facts and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist,"after having observed a man sealed in a glass box lest he express any statements of a "reality experienced" contrary to those men outside the box -- the people who kidnapped and drugged and judged then executed him. The man who knew too much.
Posted by: ChasMark | May 17 2024 14:36 utc | 79
The issue of China is too important to not have a continual, dedicated reference at MOB.
Posted by: horseguards | May 17 2024 14:36 utc | 80
NoName | May 17 2024 14:17 utc | 75
Do you actually know anything about either Mao or Stalin that you did not learn from their enemies? Have you ever considered that the propaganda blitz that we recognise around us today did not start yesterday? That it is a continuation of a campaign that has been on-going since at least 1917?
It is a curious thing that people readily see that the depiction of Putin in the media and the characterisation of China's role in international affairs are unreliable and motivated by political agendas. And then they pick up the work of Anne Applebaum or Robert Conquest and fill their heads with lies.
Posted by: bevin | May 17 2024 14:41 utc | 81
Oh right, so you're a paid ngo / intel activist asset. Right. And a Fascist TROLL. And a Liar too. Got it.
Well enjoy yourself while it lasts. LOL
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | May 17 2024 13:31 utc | 59
No, I'm none of that. I'm a project manager working with China Petrochemical and Sinopec for 25 years. I can only do that because I have deep respect for the Chinese people and their mentality.
I'd remind you of b’s rule “do not attack other commentators”, but I don't want to spoil your cheap fun of calling me names.
However, that a barfly here could sink as low to link a Wikipedia (!) article as credible source about anything political and thereby consider a hypothesis debunked is embarassing.
Please note, I never said that today's Russia is comparable to the USSR, or that today's China is comparable to Mao's China. But these modern states are the successors of those communist regimes in the sense of international law, and in the sense of historical heritage, of the historical narrative, of what people tell themselves about their ancestors and their deeds. There is a certain need for pride; a need to venerate the old leaders as heroes, because otherwise you would have to admit that you were fooled and abused, and millions of people - soldiers and civilians - were sacrificed to the greed of leaders and to communist ideology. Do you think such shame is something uniquely German?
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 14:41 utc | 82
Optimistically, I foresee an accelerated programme of mutual, advanced developments in, inter alia, arms/weaponary, technology/computing, and economic advancement embracing multiple nations. The best show in town.
Posted by: horseguards | May 17 2024 14:42 utc | 83
Posted by: ChasMark | May 17 2024 14:36 utc | 79
Where and when did matthias do this? Not on this thread, presumably.
Good points. There are many people who react to contrary information or opinion with vitriol. I don't understand it myself - getting nicker-twisted by somebody else's words on a page (unless they invective directed at oneself) - but it happens so often that have learned to accept that this is just how some people roll.
That said, I think it an important dynamic. Somehow we have to learn how to tolerate each other without suppressing free exchange of ideas. This is equally true in individual and collective contexts. And we are collectively losing ground these days, of late. At least in the Falling West.
Ok peeps, heres the story:
COMEX is being drained of Gold and Silver (Platinum, Palladium, and Copper are not being ignored either) via traders like India and China standing for delivery in the thousands of tons range. They make the purchase out of COMEX, and take delivery in Hong Kong. Then they literally truck it over to the Shanghai exchange where it gains a neat little arbitrage of around 3$ or so (on silver). Those metals will never come back west again. And we are just sitting back, letting it happen. The US Federal Reserve isn't buying Gold or silver. Other central banks are, and countries are repatriating their gold out of American vaults like the NY Fed. We are being robbed BLIND right under our noses via COMEX and the huge naked shorts American banks are holding. B of A comes to mind. They are losing mass as the prices rise, and they cannot stop it.
We have a big problem people. If you aren't buying and stacking, you are literally screwed. Wake up. The clock is ticking and soon you won't be able to get any because demand already far outstrips supply. Only the naked shorts are holding it down.
Posted by: not mine | May 17 2024 14:47 utc | 85
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 9:22 utc | 15
You need to differentiate between Russian/Chinese history and contemporary Western modus operandi.
Posted by: horseguards | May 17 2024 14:51 utc | 86
If you aren't buying and stacking, you are literally screwed. Wake up. The clock is ticking...
@ not mine | May 17 2024 14:47 utc | 85
Limited time offer!!! Don't be the last gold-bug on your block!
(Is it only skeptical Aleph, or does such chatter remarkably resemble sales jive?)
Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 17 2024 14:55 utc | 87
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 14:41 utc | 82
What you say about heritage and history of countries applies to every country/region of the world, but you selectively choose to take the communist Russia China as the start point. What about millions of people killed, enslaved by colonial powers?
Posted by: Mario | May 17 2024 14:57 utc | 88
Matthias is exactly correct.
People go off on lend lease, US help, etc., but it is vitally important to understand how STRONG the Soviet Union was at the outbreak. Their entire military machine was geared towards INVASION, hence their choices of tanks and planes and their development. Before WWII, the Soviet economy was already mobilized on a war footing!!
This is what scared Churchill so much. When Adolph wheeled around in 1941 and destroyed or captured the Soviet's hugely deployed front line army, it was thought to be impossible. Just on the numbers alone, the Nazis were supposed to have NO CHANCE. But Germany was strong, very strong.
But they were not enough for the Soviets. German intelligence had thought the Soviets could muster maybe 300 Divisions. They ended up raising 900 or so!! Amazing mobilization.
And the rest is history. Germany couldn't beat the whole world. And also deal with the continued traitors in her midst. But they got damn close.
Posted by: Johnny | May 17 2024 15:00 utc | 89
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 13:22 utc | 51
This one’s great:
People operate within a well-established corridor of allowed concepts, they do not question the Communist party line.
Matthias, keep going, this satire is brilliant.
Posted by: Caveman | May 17 2024 15:04 utc | 90
Posted by: bevin | May 17 2024 14:41 utc | 81
So everything I was told in the west is a lie and in stark contrast in Russia and China they tell the whole truth to the people? Sorry, but its getting ridiculous.
A forum which is a mere echo chamber of ideologies is not what we should strive for.
In that context… wasn‘t Putin himself if I remember correctly (at least in the past) quite critical of Stalin‘s policies?
Posted by: NoName | May 17 2024 15:05 utc | 91
Posted by: Johnny | May 17 2024 15:00 utc | 89
Can you two shit-nuggets go somewhere else for your reach arounds and mutual pleasing? It's incredibly boring to read this propaganda made for the dumbshits in the west.
There is not a single proof that the Red Army was in any way in attacking posture according to the actual Soviet archives, contra the narrative of the western agent "suvorov".
Posted by: Boo | May 17 2024 15:08 utc | 92
The derailment of the thread is not welcome, but this western revisionist history bullshit poorly mascaraing as "facts" should be called out.
It is not a coincidence than most people coming out of woodwork at every opportunity to spew well known nazi and western generations old lies designed to justify and support policy of total destruction of its competitors rarely have anything else to day. Since the same litter of western fascist elites follow the same policy of destruction of the very same civilizations - the same lies are still of use. The only difference is instead of the "communist" excuse they now use the "authoritarian" one (which of course they equate for convenience).
Posted by: boneless | May 17 2024 15:13 utc | 93
I love watching these commenters squirm. Ad hominem all you got, eh?
Here's one question: in 1941, how many tanks did the Soviets have?? And what kind of tanks were they??
How many tanks did the Germans have?
Without a true understanding of history, we are doomed to repeat it. Failure to understand that the psychos/foreigners controlling the City of London and much of D.C. are the cause of all major wars and conflicts amongst the European powers (and Japan, frankly) in the twentieth century is quite the myopic and retardedly ignorant view.
Posted by: Johnny | May 17 2024 15:19 utc | 94
I know it’s just a machine translation, but instead of ‘delay of the war’ it should probably say ‘prolongation of the war’?
Posted by: Yadro | May 17 2024 8:08 utc | 6
Yes, "delay" would have been better translated as "prolongation" or "duration/extension".
Posted by: RJPJR | May 17 2024 15:21 utc | 95
As I noted yesterday, this is the third (3rd) China/Russia Joint Declaration for the New Era made since the first (1st) on 4 February 2022 and one made last year when Xi visited Moscow in March. All are built on the 1st with updates which Xi would term modernizations related to one of his main Initiatives, and the evolution of global events. All share the same general message to Humanity about having a shared future as the primary goal and the need to eliminate hegemony and "Cold War Thinking" from the Human Experience. Most people have yet to read the 2022 Declaration which was made before the SMO's initiation, although it was known that it would occur. Here's Joint Statement Number One already translated into English; Joint Statement Number Two in Russian; and Joint Statement Number Three in Russian. I expect Russia/China to continue to issue these Joint Statements to the world until it becomes clear that the world is reading them, which at this time it's very clear that's not the case.
Posted by: bugaboo | May 17 2024 8:21 utc | 9
> China is gonna provide Russia with drone swarms.
This was written by a person who knows how to pay attention.
Posted by: Poshpotdllr | May 17 2024 15:26 utc | 97
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 9:22 utc | 15
Lol ok bro. Cool story.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 17 2024 15:26 utc | 98
Posted by: Matthias | May 17 2024 9:22 utc | 15
Yes, bad Stalin and bad Mao. Not letting the imperialists destroy their homeland. They were very naughty boys for restructuring and overhaulng their decrepit nations and putting them on to the path which they are now on.
We should praise the likes of JFK, who looked cool and read his lines perfectly (for a while) and led his non totalitarian nation down the path to where our mighty western non totalitarian civilisation is now, hanging off a cliff.
Hear hear!
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | May 17 2024 15:26 utc | 99
The hug was interesting, more so that it was initiated by Xi. Chinese not big huggers, only the very best of friends would hug.
A reference from the Wikipedia article about the socialist fraternal kiss:
Radchenko, Sergey (2014). Unwanted visionaries: the Soviet failure in Asia at the end of the Cold War. New York, NY: Oxford University Press. p. 166. ISBN 9780199938773. "The main question of protocol, mulled over by the media, was whether Deng would bear-hug Gorbachev or offer him a handshake. This came under careful scrutiny of policy makers at the highest level. "Embracing might shock the world," Deng said with an eye to the West's reaction. Therefore, the Chinese protocol specifically provided for "handshake, no embrace" to highlight the new character of Sino-Soviet relations."
Consider the world shocked!
Posted by: Billb | May 17 2024 15:30 utc | 100
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I wish them well. Especially in fixing Ukraine sooner than later.
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | May 17 2024 7:47 utc | 1