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May 15, 2024

Palestine Open Thread 2024-141

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"China imported about 1.18 million barrels per day (bpd) of Iranian oil last month, down from 1.22 million bpd in November and 23% off October's record 1.53 million bpd, tanker tracker Vortexa Analytics reckons."

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/irans-oil-trade-with-china-stalls-tehran-demands-higher-prices-2024-01-05/

The report quoted above is from January. I can't find recent reporting on the oil trade between China and Iran. It would be in China's interest to buy record amounts of oil from Iran. Go from 1.1 million to 2 million barrels per day. Selecting the level of oil to import from Iran would be a way for China to dial up and down a retaliatory response to America. Congress passed an arms package for Taiwan along with the Ukraine package and it is now publicly known that US troops are stationed on the Kinmen Islands, a few kilometers from the shore of mainland China. Both actions would call for some kind of response. China doesn't want to harm foreign investment and military drills around Taiwan would scare off investors. So the most effective response option is to keep Iran financially afloat and deter Israel and the US from bombing Iran.

Posted by: ibia | May 15 2024 15:06 utc | 1

FOX news gleefully quoted the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies claiming that Hamas overstated the deaths of woman and children by a factor of 2.

https://news.antiwar.com/2024/05/13/un-clarifies-that-death-toll-of-35000-in-gaza-hasnt-changed/
CNN of all places, correctly reported that the UN confirms that the death toll in Gaza has not changed. The ONLY thing that changed was that the Palestinian Health Ministry was only able to identify the first 13,000 victims by name, the next batch of victims had to be counted by body parts because their infrastructure had been too badly destroyed to use their normal procedures.

The creatures at the FDD and their enablers are truly despicable creatures.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | May 15 2024 15:30 utc | 2

BTW to believe Israel's count on Hamas fighters killed, you have to believe that every adult male killed in Gaza is a Hamas terrorist. This in and of itself can be used as an argument that this is a genocide as it makes a generalization about an entire category of people.

This would explain why the IDF killed 3 of their own hostages (adult men in the wrong place), aid workers (men driving cars in the wrong place), the 5 unarmed men walking on a road. Just kill every adult man even if they are unarmed.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | May 15 2024 15:35 utc | 3

Biden has just been following the orders of his own plutocrat bosses, who have been planning the Gaza genocide since at latest when they decided to blow up Nordstream, a decision which makes no sense unless they were planning to use offshore Gaza oil and gas as a substitute for Nordstream.

Posted by: Lysias | May 15 2024 15:41 utc | 4

Christian Chuba, Once Germany invaded the USSR in 1941, the excuse used within the German government for the genocide that then started was that the Jews killed were all partisans and/or Communists.

Posted by: Lysias | May 15 2024 15:51 utc | 5

@ Christian J Chuba | May 15 2024 15:35 utc | 3 // Lysias | May 15 2024 15:51 utc | 5

the parallels here are rather depressing, expect the roles have reversed...

Posted by: james | May 15 2024 16:04 utc | 6

Lysias 4 & 5

You are correct re Nordstream/Gaza gas.

I don't think you are correct regarding any pretexts given for the Jewish genocide after 1941.

Please read the Wannsee Protocol.
The explanations for the "need" for the "Final Solution to the Jewish Problem" are clearly explained there.
This "need" followed Germany's invasion and occupation of Eastern European countries, with their high numbers of Jewish citizens.

Posted by: Jane | May 15 2024 16:05 utc | 7

"Biden has just been following the orders of his own plutocrat bosses, who have been planning the Gaza genocide since at latest when they decided to blow up Nordstream, a decision which makes no sense unless they were planning to use offshore Gaza oil and gas as a substitute for Nordstream."

Posted by: Lysias | May 15 2024 15:41 utc | 4

Never thought of that angle-good point!

Posted by: canuck | May 15 2024 16:20 utc | 8

Seriously, where is the evidence of the competence to implement these conspiracies.
I would never accuse Bibi of competence

Posted by: Polli | May 15 2024 16:28 utc | 9

Happy International Nakba Day!

As a Scottish-American whose ancestors watched their neighbors evicted from the highlands of Scotland in the Clearances back in the 1700s, I can empathize with the Palestinians.

My neighbor and good friend’s grandfather escaped Korea when the rest of his family were murdered during the American “Clearances” of northern Korea 70 odd years ago.

Almost all of us have had ancestors whose homes were taken unjustly. (Similarly, we also all have a lineage which includes father sucking sons of bitches who did the stealing!)

It is only the Israelis, however, who believe that their ownership of land (by killing all previous occupiers) 3,000 years ago and subsequent loss to other occupiers, gives them a divine right to evict, or failing that, kill, all people who currently live in this desert we call Gaza and reclaim same.

Nina Paley showed it best in her cartoon of the song This Land Is Mine from movie Exodus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIdCsMufIY Peace to all on this beautiful day of Nakba.

Posted by: Butte Bill | May 15 2024 16:32 utc | 10

The past days’ controversy over accuracy of casualty figures in Gaza has been a media / information op on the level of the previous controversy over “terrorists” employed by UNRWA. It is designed to blunt criticism of the Rafah incursion, particularly in the US / European zones. It may have been coordinated with the US State Department report released last Friday, as that report features some of the same talking points.

Ceasefire, or “humanitarian pause”, negotiations - a primary focus of attention just a week ago - are no longer active. Qatar’s Sheikh Mohammed described the impasse thusly: “There is one party that wants to end the war and then talk about the hostages and there is another party who wants the hostages and wants to continue the war…As long as there is not any commonality between those two things it won’t get us to a result.” He also noted that Israel is not operating according to a strategic or logistical plan: “there is no clarity on what Gaza will look like after this”.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/14/gaza-ceasefire-deadlocked-as-israels-rafah-attacks-set-talks-backward

The leadership provided by the Biden administration, particularly in light of Israel’s determination to advance the chaos and destruction, continues in a feckless and inconsistent manner. Call it a “deer in the headlights” or other analogy (i.e. “runaway train”), this now seems an unstoppable crisis with the worst yet to come.

Posted by: jayc | May 15 2024 16:48 utc | 11

Southern Front Daily SITREP

https://english.almanar.com.lb/2110044

Comment - both Al-Quds and Al-Qassem claim successful ambushes and other strikes. 1 amusing video of heavy mortars being fired - suspect this is harassing fire only. They don‘t have time to dial in the range; so just pop off a few rounds and scoot

Posted by: Exile | May 15 2024 16:54 utc | 12

Eastern Front SITREP

https://english.almanar.com.lb/2110253

Comment: Yemen Military attacked a USN Destroyer and a Freighter. Claim to have hit the Freighter.

Posted by: Exile | May 15 2024 16:57 utc | 13

Northern Front SITREP

https://english.almanar.com.lb/

Comment: beaucoup activity, like hammering everywhere

Posted by: Exile | May 15 2024 16:58 utc | 14

Posted by: Jane | May 15 2024 16:05 utc | 7


Under the Wannsee Protocol jews people were going to be deported to the east and not murdered.

Thanks a lot. I did not know that.

Posted by: Roberto | May 15 2024 17:15 utc | 15

It is clear that Palestinians shall gecdefeated.
Nobody can stop Israel.

Posted by: vargas | May 15 2024 17:16 utc | 16

Methinks Vargas equates genocide with military victory. He should realize Blind Rage atrocities are the hallmark of defeated armies and have been for a very long time.

Posted by: Exile | May 15 2024 17:30 utc | 17

"a decision which makes no sense unless they were planning to use offshore Gaza oil and gas as a substitute for Nordstream."

The NordStream pipelines were blown up to stop the EU dependency on Russia oil/gas, the Zionists are already stealing oil/gas from the Syrian Golan Heights, and have been for years via a company called Genie Energy.

The EU gets its oil/gas from multiple outlets Qatar, the USA, and get this India buys huge amounts of Russian oil and sells it on to the EU at a higher cost, I also think Norway is building a pipeline to Europe.

The EU authoritative bodies are captured by Atlanticists and Zionists, they don't give a toss about EU citizens. The EU is now ran by a bunch of racketeering crooks.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 15 2024 17:48 utc | 18

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/161/543/637/playable/3c3f7a5b1ba8e99c.mp4

https://gab.com/lazywitch/posts/112444209076572717

Amazing that they teach their children such for others but scream anti semitism whenever someone criticizes them.

Demon Spawn #MuhGreatestAlly #jewDemons #jewMonsters #jewFilth

These little Sauls of Tarsus need a visit from Jesus Christ to show them the light of loving their neighbor.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/161/557/912/original/a1d9ea538f25dc45.jpg

1 We sing the glorious conquest
before Damascus gate,
when Saul, the church’s spoiler,
came breathing threats and hate;
the ravening wolf rushed forward
full early to the prey;
but lo, the Shepherd met him,
and bound him fast today.

2 O glory most excelling
that smote across his path!
O light that pierced and blinded
the zealot in his wrath,
O voice that spake within him
the calm reproving word,
O love that sought and held him
the bondman of his Lord!

3 O wisdom, ordering all things
in order strong and sweet,
what nobler spoil was ever
cast at the Victor’s feet?
What wiser master-builder
e’er wrought at thine employ
than he, till now so furious
your building to destroy?

4 Lord, teach thy church the lesson,
still in her darkest hour
of weakness and of danger
to trust thy hidden power:
thy grace by ways mysterious
the wrath of man can bind,
and in thy boldest foeman
thy chosen saint can find.

https://hymnary.org/text/we_sing_the_glorious_conquest

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/161/557/778/original/5328510aff2efa55.png

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/161/557/907/original/6032948

Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | May 15 2024 18:21 utc | 19

As we type here Egypt is building a huge concentration camp in the Sinai desertm

That would be "the final solution" of the Palestinian problem. The latest genocide. For the Jews this is a full circle of crime.
Iran, Arabs, Russia... cannot stop that and are not interested in stopping that.

Posted by: vargas | May 15 2024 18:37 utc | 20

4 mins Combat Footage - this is perhaps the most illuminating footage ever of what the IDF faces in Gaza. First scene is a strike on a group of IDF tanks and IFVs - the Arabs pop up right in the middle of the IDF group.

A scene in the middle is of a IDF engineering team lured into a booby trapped tunnel and getting blasted

The last scene is of a captured IDF tunnel hunting vehicle - "They sent their robots [into the tunnels], and here they are in our hands. So what would happen if they sent their soldiers?"

https://twitter.com/PalestineChron/status/1790483203200836088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1790483203200836088%7Ctwgr%5E1f21e6a08f998aaa4bba5ec836d4c5d215166f25%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.palestinechronicle.com%2Fal-qassam-kills-12-occupation-soldiers-as-army-retreats-from-zaytoun-breaking%2F

Posted by: Exile | May 15 2024 18:51 utc | 21

Appreciate the content here. Great reading.

Posted by: junebugboaz | May 15 2024 18:55 utc | 22

Posted by: canuck | May 15 2024 16:20 utc | 8

"Never thought of that angle"? Even though the exploitation of off-shore Gazan gas fields has been discussed here over and over again? One would normally keep folks guessing but you post to remove all doubt.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 15 2024 18:56 utc | 23

My view to this ongoing news about Joe Biden is that he, and all who in his party politically do not speak against him on this, must be voted against in upcoming USA elections. If genocide is the greatest evil, as we have so been taught for generations, then there is no more room for excuses: Joe Biden and the Democrat politicians who support or endure him, *must* lose. Only from than position -- the most extreme evil must be stopped & punished, not supported or abetted in any way -- can anything approaching normalcy be entertained, chips fall where they may.

USA body politic must show resistance to the greatest evil, a lesson often repeated to its children about tyranny & inhumanity, if it is to have any hope of redemption. If it be another Civil War, so be it. We've been through one before, if it takes another to repent and relearn old lessons, apity but I guess its time has come again. :)

Be brave and support your safety net of love so that we may emerge through to the other side of this baptism by fire, for one's soul and country and planet. =)

Posted by: titmouse | May 15 2024 19:49 utc | 24

The EU authoritative bodies are captured by Atlanticists and Zionists, they don't give a toss about EU citizens. The EU is now ran by a bunch of racketeering crooks.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 15 2024 17:48 utc | 18

Exactly. But of course no one cares as long as the income is right. The culprits are only found and judged when the poverty becomes oppressive. We are still a long way from that. And don't forget, we are now the puppets of the USA, but before we die completely we still have opportunities for development and can become the puppets of Russia, China or India. Of course, we will never become sovereign again.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | May 15 2024 20:02 utc | 25

Some UK Minister wants to allow "Highly qualified Palestinians" to be "saved" from Rafah, by means of the Pier, and to be sent to the UK. (Cheap labour, cheap PR)
Unfortunately the Zionists kill the most well known as soon as they can identify them.

Example of the prospects for well educated Palestinians;;
"Seventh mass grave discovered at #alShifa Hospital. #Israeli propaganda: we didn't do it, they were all terrorists, the numbers are wrong, anyway .. Hamas"

Posted by: Stonebird | May 15 2024 20:09 utc | 26

Never thought of that angle-good point!

Posted by: canuck | May 15 2024 16:20 utc | 8
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It has been mentioned numerous times in these threads, but only AFAIK by Lysias and me.

Actually, it is kind of a no-brainer.
For more background,
check this out:
https://unctad.org/news/unrealized-potential-palestinian-oil-and-gas-reserves

Posted by: Jane | May 15 2024 20:14 utc | 27

@ Patroklos | May 15 2024 18:56 utc | 23

lol....

Posted by: james | May 15 2024 20:18 utc | 28

as independentists were high in the polls in new caledonia just at a time nickel prices were flying, macron chose the strong option. a few months later, several dead and hundreds of injures led the gov to ban tiktok!

are we back to the19th? when will colonization cease?

Posted by: Minaa | May 15 2024 20:32 utc | 29

Thanks a lot. I did not know that.

Posted by: Roberto | May 15 2024 17:15 utc | 15
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I guess this is meant sarcastically.

Most historians have understood that the Protocol (January 1942) used euphemistic language.
It does, however, state clearly that earlier solutions to rid Germany of Jews and other undesirables had been fairly successful but had not sufficed, and that the occupation of eastern Europe presented new challenges.
Hence, the final solution.
Jews (and Poles) were to be worked to death.
That is a large part of what occurred. Of course Communists, and Jewish Communists, were among those worked to death, but I am unaware that this reason was put forth for exterminating Jews and others---that they were all Communists. And, I don't think anyone accused the Roma/Sinti of being Communists.
Plans for immediate extermination of people who arrived in concentration camps but were not selected as being capable of providing labor developed unevenly---as did the extermination technology.
The permanent exhibition of items from the archives of the Firma Topf, in the Topf Memorial in Erfurt, is one source of detailed information on this process (https://www.topfundsoehne.de/ts/en/exhibitions/permanent_exhibitions/index.html).

Posted by: Jane | May 15 2024 20:33 utc | 30

Lily Greenberg Call, special assistant to the chief of staff in the Interior Department, cited her Jewish upbringing and ties to Israel in her resignation letter. She wrote that her family escaped antisemitic persecution in Europe and came to the United States, noting that they changed their names at Ellis Island and her grandparents could not go to college.

“I can no longer in good conscience continue to represent this administration amidst President Biden’s disastrous, continued support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza,” Greenberg Call wrote. Israel strongly denies its actions in Gaza amount to genocide.

Reflecting on her position as an appointee in a presidential administration, she added: “This is the story of many people in my community: a story of survival, upward mobility, and fulfillment of the American Dream. And yet, I have asked myself many times over the last eight months: what is the point of having power if you will not use it to stop crimes against humanity?”

Greenberg Call is the first known Jewish appointee to publicly resign over Biden’s support of Israel. Earlier this week, a U.S. Army officer working at the Defense Intelligence Agency resigned from the military, writing in an open letter that he felt “incredible shame and guilt” knowing that his work contributed to Palestinian suffering and death. A political appointee from the Department of Education resigned in January, and a career State Department employee who worked on arms transfers to foreign powers resigned in October.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/05/15/election-2024-campaign-updates/#link-ZYRSA6JIXNAPFNIJBXDJ2BQCIE

Posted by: Babel-17 | May 15 2024 20:46 utc | 31

Biden has just been following the orders of his own plutocrat bosses, who have been planning the Gaza genocide since at latest when they decided to blow up Nordstream, a decision which makes no sense unless they were planning to use offshore Gaza oil and gas as a substitute for Nordstream.

Lysias | May 15 2024 15:41 utc | 4

Sorry, that doesn't add up.
Developing Gazan offshore gas and building a pipeline to EUrope takes 20 years, roughly. A substitute for Russian oil & gas to EUrope is needed *now*. EU leaders have been running around, buying any LNG they can get a hold on. To the detriment of poorer countries priced out of the market. (Strategically, it makes perfect sense since shipped LNG arrives via sea lanes controlled by US/UK navy.)

Posted by: smuks | May 15 2024 21:01 utc | 32

Nakba day, 15th of May:

Is it just me, or has western media for the first time dutifully reported the event?

Posted by: smuks | May 15 2024 21:04 utc | 33

The off shore oil and gas discussion makes the assumption that if Israel is successful in exterminating every last Gazan, it rebounds to them as the new owners of Gaza land. However, the state of Palestine is not only enshrined in UN declarations but most recently has had their status in the General Assembly upgraded with referral to the Security Council for accession to full membership. In their upgraded status, the Palestinian state has the right to independently bring petitions to the GA and the larger UN. Why is this important? Because UNRWA has enshrined the citizenship of 7 million non resident Palestinians over the years, who share in the rights to this offshore bonanza. Inquiring minds would wonder if this contributes to Israel's obsession with eliminating UNWRA and all its records. Most recently the repeated arson attacks on their Jerusalem headquarters. Even if Israel attempts to accede to rights to the gas and oil (along with EU/US/UK) the international litigation will be on a par with that currently taking place regarding Israel's attempted usurpation of Lebanese portions of the gas field. To say nothing of heavily armed non state players who could easily destroy any and all pumping platforms (although rarely discussed, current platforms off Israel are in a state of hiatus as the owning companies recognize the current situation is far too unstable to allow operation). Current UN, BRICS+, Chinese, SCO activities have significantly enhanced the status of the Palestinian diaspora. Litigation could extend for years and years, as the multipolar world grows in strength.

Posted by: abierno | May 15 2024 21:05 utc | 34

"The US is DELIBERATELY stoking hatred and division" ??????

Some of this is indeed deliberate but the most important part is the result of the US pursueing their larger geopolitical interests and don't look at the results for a region (e.g. Europe & Middle East). And then the US only make things worse for themselves and the regions in which they are meddling.

But too many people simply also overlook the "internal" factors at play in the Middle East. And one MAJOR reason why the Middle East will remain "unstable" is the (heavy) overpopulation in the ENTIRE Middle East and North Africa. And the population of both regions still continues to grow. Luckily there is a country who doesn't have a growing population. That country is called Iran.

Posted by: WMG | May 15 2024 21:17 utc | 35

Posted by: Jane | May 15 2024 20:14 utc | 27

I've talked about it without response so I figured it was a no-brainer that didn't need elaborating. Apparently it's now an 'insight'.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 15 2024 21:21 utc | 36

Posted by: abierno | May 15 2024 21:05 utc | 34

To adapt Stalin: "You have a country. It is a problem. No country, no problem." Your faith in the enforcability of UN sputterings is quaint.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 15 2024 21:23 utc | 37

Joe Biden is that he, and all who in his party politically do not speak against him on this, must be voted against in upcoming USA elections

While that is a noble thought, the problem is the GOP is no better on this genocide. And some are even worse. Biden did pretend to maybe think about slowing down some aid at one point (until his JMasters gave him a talking to). GOP wants to throw all critics of Isreal in jail (if not just shoot them on sight).

Posted by: c matt | May 15 2024 21:28 utc | 38

smuks 32

I have said many times on this blog that David Cameron who destroyed Libya the richest country in Africa has an unhealthy colonial interest in Somalia's oil. Maybe after the genocide in Palestine all the chess pieces can be moved, Libya into resumption of oil production and Somalia into full-scale catastrophe , the phase Libya is in now.

Britain works 100 years in advance.
Mosul was prospected in Victorian times and acquired in 1918. It only started full production after Islamic State terrorised Kurdistan into submission.

Maybe Lysias doesn't fully understand the softly softly criminal methodology of the British in maintaining their flow of oil.
For a long time the Queen was hosting the Sultan of Brunei at Buckingham Palace. Then he was told to implement Shariah Law so that USUKIS could claim he was a dictator.

One thing's for certain, Russia had always understood the fragility and exposure of NS2. So it might have been a weather vane/Canary for Russia to gauge the level of psychosis of USUKIS . Foaming mad, flecking froth, or encarcerated andcimmobilised in its straitjacket , planning the genocide of Palestine as revenge for Russia's SMO.

Posted by: Giyane | May 15 2024 21:43 utc | 39

"Joe Biden has done more than arm Israel. Leaked documents reveal his own officials see him as complicit in Gaza’s devastating famine - Independent"

Is Biden a Dispensationalist, like Bush II was? Convinced he needs a Jewish state to bring back Jesus and the Judgement next week? I'd assumed such nuts were mostly Reptoids, not Demoniacs, but I could easily be mistaken. :-(

Posted by: lester | May 15 2024 21:51 utc | 40

"Britain works 100 years in advance."

Impossible. No one, not even King Charles' astrologer, has the least idea of what will be happening in politics 100 years from now. Certainly now David Cameron.

lester

Posted by: lester | May 15 2024 21:59 utc | 41

lester 41

100 years in advance about oil and now water and lithium, not politics.

Posted by: Giyane | May 15 2024 22:23 utc | 42

WMG 35

Fxxk eugenics.

Posted by: Giyane | May 15 2024 22:25 utc | 43

Is Biden a Dispensationalist, like Bush II was? Convinced he needs a Jewish state to bring back Jesus and the Judgement next week? I'd assumed such nuts were mostly Reptoids, not Demoniacs, but I could easily be mistaken. :-(

Posted by: lester | May 15 2024 21:51 utc | 40

____

No, just a depraved hack. And corrupt — the Ziolobby pays well, dontcha know.

Posted by: malenkov | May 15 2024 22:34 utc | 44

To add to the discussion on the LNG fields and Nordstream, I remember thinking back in the day that Israel/Mossad would have been an excellent third party to contract the hit out to, provided they were given transport to the Baltic -and- if they have demo experts who can dive. It would be a good way to ensure silence.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 15 2024 23:13 utc | 45

Fico shows Gladio never went away.....

Posted by: Axholmer | May 15 2024 23:26 utc | 46

Posted by: canuck | May 15 2024 16:20 utc | 8
Never thought of that angle-good point!
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Posted by: Jane | May 15 2024 20:14 utc | 27
It has been mentioned numerous times in these threads, but only AFAIK by Lysias and me.

Actually, it is kind of a no-brainer. For more background,
check this out:
https://unctad.org/news/unrealized-potential-palestinian-oil-and-gas-reserves

<=Actually I made a big point of the Lavantine Gas Reserve and the refinery at Hafia several times as have others. To get an idea of the gas pipeline feeding gas from the Levantine gas reserve (12 miles off shore to Gaza) via cyprus into N. Turkey and then in to Northern Europe..it has also said to be the major energy supply feeding Israel. map in the link below.

Its no brainer to see why Biden said, there will not be a Nord Stream II pipeline between Russia and Europe (via Germany). Not only does this fact, fill in the gaps to the theory that explains the removal of people and infra structure from Gaza it also explains the Sanctions from Hell attempt to keep Russia from selling its oil into Europe. It also provides an explanation about the NATO encroachments, in violation of the Minisk accords and prior agreements reach back 20 years and why no body will allow Ukraine to surrender. It also suggests the nation states are controlled by the deep state, so its not idea of the nation state governments to push this war mess most likely its the major privately owned multi national corporations (the deep state) who are anxious to get at the profits to be made as soon as the Palestinians are removed. Its all about profit. IMO. Replacing Europe's gas and oil supplies from Russian sources with oil and gas supplies from Israeli sources.. ? No wonder Britain is so insistent on keeping Russia at bay?
the above is my opinion.
have a look here..

https://greekreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Pipeline_East-Med-AAEzcyZQ_TEKMOR-e1545314298936.jpg

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-israel-egypt-sign-deal-boost-east-med-gas-exports-europe-2022-06-15/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhpLvJHXkAIsu2J?format=jpg&name=large

https://cris.bgu.ac.il/en/publications/the-leviathan-field-nine-years-since-discovery-and-nearing-first-

[when was the first problem in Ukraine? 2014 +9 2022-23 that that started the SMO? ]

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/noble-energys-leviathan-field-starts-commercial-operation-2020-01-16

https://www.oedigital.com/news/503942-bp-and-adnoc-offer-2b-to-jointly-acquire-50-stake-in-israeli-offshore-gas-producer

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=maps+of+pipeline+from+Levantine+reserve+to+Europe&ia=web

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/business/energy-environment/israel-gas-europe.html

Posted by: snake | May 15 2024 23:26 utc | 47

From the Guardian Australia edition:

‘Israelis, go back to Europe’? Some on the left need to rethink their slogans

Jo-Ann Mort

A majority of Israel’s Jews today are not descended from Europe, but rather from Arab nations. To expect them to leave Israel is unprecedented, unrealistic and wrong

Ummm... if the majority of Israel's Jews aren't descended from Europe, why do Israelis and their supporters keep going on about the Holocaust? I mean, the Holocaust happened to European Jews, not those from Arab nations. By invoking the Holocaust aren't they just appropriating the suffering of all those who were actual victims of the Nazi regime?

Or is it that Israelis are European Jews when that's convenient, but are non-European Jews, when that's slightly more convenient.

But then, we are dealing with people who constantly cried "Never again" and are now are the ones who are doing it again, so intellectual integrity does not seem to be something they're overly concerned with.

Posted by: Kukulkan | May 15 2024 23:57 utc | 48

Nordstream . German supplied Dolphin class sub . CONDUCTOR Yanks,of commodity nomadic stock . 'Strings', violins, Poms . God's ChewSand, bells and whistles ,Ukes supplied the crew for on board, mission entertainment. The, original homo erotic torpedo room complete with 'steam works 'has a new annex for carpet munchers and there was even a 'wellness therapist ', and an onboard tattoo artist !

Posted by: Paleologos | May 16 2024 0:01 utc | 49

Israel war cabinet split looms as defence minister demands post-war Gaza plan

Yoav Gallant, who Benjamin Netanyahu tried to fire in 2023, says he will not allow Israeli rule of Gaza

A long-festering split at the heart of Israel’s war cabinet has burst into the open with the defence minister, Yoav Gallant, challenging the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to come up with plans for the “day after” the war in Gaza, and saying he would not permit any solution where Israeli military or civil governance were in the territory.

Gallant’s comments, immediately backed by his fellow minister Benny Gantz, plunged Israel’s leadership into a highly public row, in the midst of the Gaza conflict, raising immediate speculation over his future in the Israeli government and of Netanyahu’s fractious coalition.

In uncompromising remarks, Gallant – whose firing last year by Netanyahu triggered mass protests, a political crisis and an eventual reversal by the PM – publicly demanded that Netanyahu describe plans for a “day-after plan” for Gaza.

Gallant’s comments provoked an immediate political row, with Netanyahu pushing back rapidly with a videotaped statement and a call from the far-right national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, for Gallant to be replaced.

[...] “I will not agree to the establishment of a military government in Gaza,” he said, adding a “civilian-military regime in Gaza will become the main effort in there and come at the expense of other arenas. We will pay for it in blood and victims – and it will come at a heavy economic cost.”

The comments by Gallant appeared to be the culmination of growing frustration with Netanyahu among Israel’s military leadership.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/15/israel-war-cabinet-split-looms-as-defence-minister-demands-plan-for-post-war-gaza

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 16 2024 0:14 utc | 50

“Or is it that Israelis are European Jews when that's convenient, but are non-European Jews, when that's slightly more convenient.”

They are like trannies, whatever they want to be whenever they can take advantage of it.

The meme of jews pretending to be white then later claiming they’re not “white” but “jewish” is as common as dirt.

They’re a bunch of psychopathic narcissist’s, nothing they say will ever have any logical consistency.

Posted by: Archetypex | May 16 2024 0:53 utc | 51

RE: Posted by: Don Firineach | May 16 2024 0:14 utc | 50

Good post. Internal combustion & civil strife. Even the ever hating want-to-invade Gaza Israeli’s will soon tire of the inconvenience of it all to them. Then it’ll be the maniacal death squad settlers against the ordinary haters at each other. Let alone, the ever-drama political cabinet against the war cabinet…
While the resistance groups harmonize like a symphony on the battlefield synchronized in combat, mourning the losses of brothers (mothers-sisters et el) with vindication and determination to remained United in one clear goal:
Free Palestine 🇵🇸

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 16 2024 1:32 utc | 52


There were lots of angles to these campus protests evidently:

"On April 30, thirty people were injured when a mob of Zionist hooligans savagely assaulted the pro-Palestine UCLA encampment shortly before midnight. For over three hours, local and campus police stood down as the masked thugs assaulted students, journalists, and even officers of the law with fireworks volleys, pepper spray, and metal pipes. Though multiple attackers have been identified by community members on social media, to date there have been no arrests of pro-Israel goons."
- Wyatt Reed

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/05/13/ucla-attackers-exposed/

UCLA attackers exposed: meet the violent Zionist agitators LA police haven’t arrested - The Grayzone

The Grayzone has obtained a dossier detailing the identities of the Zionist hooligans who assaulted UCLA anti-genocide student protesters. It was sent to LA police, but no arrests have been made. And the…

The Grayzone

Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | May 16 2024 1:34 utc | 53

Under the Wannsee Protocol jews people were going to be deported to the east and not murdered.
Posted by: Roberto | May 15 2024 17:15 utc | 15

"Deported to the East" was a common phrase indicating the Endlösung. No official german document has survived WW2, which says "killing" or "gasing". Also the Wannsee Protocols uses always euphemistic phrases.
In Germany of today every person over 15 knows that - they learn it at scool.
In other countries people learn it from life, when they are grown up.

Posted by: prometheos | May 16 2024 1:42 utc | 54

Biden = andropov

Posted by: Exile | May 16 2024 1:52 utc | 55

There are many rules to when a jew is an american or European, etc or when they are just a jew.

They can also be White but that's only when they do very, very awful things. Such as Epstein. Those gosh darn White men !

They can also be White when they are on TV and attempting to convince other gullible Whites to adopt clearly harmful government policies, usually by appealing to White empathy and/or signaling that support of this harmful is a 'high status' virtue.

When they are being attacked by muslims and its possible to agitate racial tensions and give the White public at large a 'racism pass', this is also a time the jew may be one of 'my fellow Whites'.

When the houthis attack a Guatemalan flagged, Hindu Indian staffed and Singaporean owned vessel, through jewish chutzpah magic (and complete news media domination) - the jew will be each of these nationalities in each of these countries on the media in those countries. In this case, they just also happen to be jewish.

Now, when a jew does something that everyone will hold in high regard. Saving an entire orphanage, etc, etc - they are only a jew. No other people will even by accident be associated with this new revered hero.

Really all you have to do is ask yourself, "how does this jewish person portraying himself in this moment, in this context, further the power of the jewish people ?"

And poof, your vision returns, crystal clear.

Posted by: ryanggg | May 16 2024 1:57 utc | 56

"No, just a depraved hack. And corrupt — the Ziolobby pays well, dontcha know.

Posted by: malenkov | May 15 2024 22:34 utc | 44"

But all our presidents since at least 1950 have deserved to hang for war crimes and crimes against humanity at least as much as Tojo did. Morover, I'm convinced that Prot. fanatics have been in control since the earliest days of the colonies. It wasn't Zionists who decided to eliminate the Native Americans.

Posted by: lester | May 16 2024 2:05 utc | 57

@ Don Firineach | May 16 2024 0:14 utc | 50

Important news, the Gallant-Gantz clash with Netanyahu. The situation is very volatile. A main problem with Israel in the eyes of much of the world is, no doubt, not so much that it is a settler state as that it is a settler state still determined on further expansion and expulsion of yet more people, possibly millions of people, from their homes to seize and steal their lands and properties. If Israel would just give that up completely and not demolish even one more home or seize a single property again, there would be a lot less hostility to it. Because of the threat that the end of Israeli expansionist plans and dreams will be the outcome of the current struggle and genocide, the settler movement is really freaking out.

If Israel is so triumphant in the current situation, why is it that the Palestinians are so upbeat, despite all their sufferings and losses, while the Israelis and Zionists are so depressed? It is because whatever Israel does, it has lost, lost, lost. Its deterrence is broken and cannot be restored by any means. The alienation of the whole earth means that for the Zionist expansionism to survive, they have to establish political control over all the countries of the earth, a complete impossibility, despite their now nakedly exposed control over the US political system, which is also jeopardized by its coming out. The previous situation of before 7 October can never be recovered by them. Thus, the Palestinian attacks on them of 7 October, whatever anyone thinks of them, successfully caused a fundamental change in the situation that will not be reversed.

So some of the Israeli political elite, and a lot of the diaspora Jews, although not most of the wealthiest ones, seeing the writing on the wall, are ready now to settle for less, not because they want to, but because they see they must. This will mean ultimately a smaller Israel, but they think continuing on the expansionist course will endanger the future existence of Israel altogether, and that is no doubt a correct assessment. The counterargument of the settler movement is that once the Israelis make a single concession of any kind, their whole project will start to be rolled up like a carpet, and the aroused enmity of the surrounding Arab world will constantly attack them and never give them rest. They completely underestimate how tired the Arabs are of the struggle as well.

A dream scenario to end the conflict would be for an Israeli military disgusted with the settler movement to make a military coup and then suppress the settlers by violent force. Unfortunately, the time for that, if it ever comes, is not now.

Posted by: Cabe | May 16 2024 2:05 utc | 58

Don Firineach 50

The Guardian is as always lying.
We've all been feeling numb and useless after being burnt by W. Burns ' negotiations for a ceasefire, followed by the carpet bombing of Rafah.

So I for one will not be believing another flicker of fake hope that has been written by the enemy to deceive us. Those who do War by deception will die by deception in another court.

Posted by: Giyane | May 16 2024 2:08 utc | 59

Posted by: c matt | May 15 2024 21:28 utc | 38
go back and read it again. I cannot understand why you felt the need to report on your ability to grasp the obvious - that the republicans are as bad or worse. The writer knows this,I know it. Everyone here knows this. Read it again. If you're still Charlie Brown and the football about this and unfazed by genocide, continue chanting four more years by yourself.

Posted by: Osori | May 16 2024 2:11 utc | 60

UC Irvine encampment under attack. Live in a fascist police state.
The administration suspended the student protest negotiators (bad faith) which caused the students to start a second protest and then the administration called for the police to come in (riot gear).
https://www.ocregister.com/2024/05/15/crowd-gathers-around-gaza-solidarity-encampment-demanding-uci-reverse-suspensions-divest/

Posted by: Thurl | May 16 2024 2:15 utc | 61

Cabe 58

The Khazars are losers. In Ukraine and Palestine. They survived Nazism by becoming Nazis and they will survive the shame of this genocide by another group metamorphosis.

If it looks like a Khazar, walks like a Khazar and quacks like a Khazar, it's a Khazar, not a Jew.
What are these chameleon squid doing in Palestine anyway? What are they doing in Ukraine? They're not Jews and they're not Slavs. They're just, like zelensky and Netanyahu , addicted to pretending to be whatever the colour of the sand underneath them might be.

Hatespeak Mender pretends to be a posh Englishman. Gallant pretends to be military. Smotrich pretends to be a finance Minister. But all of them are just arseholes doing the colonial will of US Hegemony and UK Empire2.

Posted by: Giyane | May 16 2024 2:43 utc | 62

Nakba day, 15th of May:

Is it just me, or has western media for the first time dutifully reported the event?

Posted by: smuks | May 15 2024 21:04 utc | 33

For the first time in many years, I chanced tonight to watch the final segments of "Democracy Now" on PBS. The history of the event was well reported, with an American doctor in Gaza making no bones about Biden's complicity in the current occurrences there, plus rivetting film clips.

I don't know if this was unusual for the program as I haven't been watching any tv news or listening to radio since the Obama years, but Amy was making clear that the majority of the Palestinians were forcibly disinherited as the Jewish state came into existence. And that now Biden only pretends to be against the famine that has come after so many around him were informing him what was happening, so he had to know.

Too little too late for many perhaps, but I hope finally US citizens will have to face the truth. I know that Michael Hudson mentioned June as when there will be a concerted effort to begin Jill Stein's campaign for the presidency. karlof1 has said she will do better than last time; I am thinking this might be a sea change.

Posted by: juliania | May 16 2024 2:45 utc | 63

ICJ Hearing’s start tomorrow
https://menafn.com/1108219058/ICJ-Rejects-Israels-Request-To-Postpone-Thursdays-Hearing

ICJ rejects Israel request for extension.
Israel will appear with legal team.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 16 2024 2:58 utc | 64

lester 57

" Morover, I'm convinced that Prot(estant). fanatics have been in control since the earliest days of the colonies. It wasn't Zionists who decided to eliminate the Native Americans."

That does seem to me to be stating the obvious. Zionism is nothing to with Judaism and the inhabitants of Israel aren't Jews. They are just suckers on the teats of Viking Imperialism, who will be discarded if and when they remove the Palestinians.

Thanks to the tunnels and the sleeping Ummah of Islam that task will never be accomplished, either by the Khazar proxies or by those Protestant fanatics in charge of them, inshallah.

Posted by: Giyane | May 16 2024 3:02 utc | 65

ICJ case:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/390029

“Political officials in Israel have estimated that in the wake of the South African request, the court would issue orders to punish Israel for “genocide” in the Gaza Strip. A diplomatic source clarified that "Israel does not intend to stop the war - even if a decree is issued on the matter."

Who here expected any different from Israel?
Good. Keep going Israel… you’re doing fine…

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 16 2024 3:04 utc | 118

Accidentally posted in Ukraine thread.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 16 2024 3:07 utc | 66

So some of the Israeli political elite, and a lot of the diaspora Jews, although not most of the wealthiest ones, seeing the writing on the wall, are ready now to settle for less, not because they want to, but because they see they must. This will mean ultimately a smaller Israel, but they think continuing on the expansionist course will endanger the future existence of Israel altogether, and that is no doubt a correct assessment. The counterargument of the settler movement is that once the Israelis make a single concession of any kind, their whole project will start to be rolled up like a carpet, and the aroused enmity of the surrounding Arab world will constantly attack them and never give them rest. They completely underestimate how tired the Arabs are of the struggle as well.

A dream scenario to end the conflict would be for an Israeli military disgusted with the settler movement to make a military coup and then suppress the settlers by violent force. Unfortunately, the time for that, if it ever comes, is not now.

Posted by: Cabe | May 16 2024 2:05 utc | 58

Even if they settle for less, it will be temporary.

Fascism has to expand or die. The grand plan extends beyond historic Palestine. It has to.

Posted by: JAB | May 16 2024 3:29 utc | 67

Bueno despues de leer una y otra vez este foro. si consideramos todo lo que se dice sobre lo que se esta haciendo, mi conclucion es que no existe dios. solo un monton de malditos seres humanos.

Posted by: Manuel V | May 16 2024 4:45 utc | 68

Epstein Blinken the Zionist pervert sings freedom songs in a Nazi dictatorship.

Mock the Zionist shite

https://britonnewsnetwork.com/index.php/2024/05/16/zionist-nazi-sing-freedom-in-a-dictatorship/

Posted by: Timbo | May 16 2024 4:55 utc | 69

"The Nakba never ended" a thought on Nakba Day, today, celebrated throughout Occupied Palestine.

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 16 2024 6:05 utc | 70

@ #43:

Nope. Just do search the internet for information about the population statistics of the Middle East.

Posted by: WMG | May 16 2024 6:20 utc | 71

Posted by: smuks | May 15 2024 21:04 utc | 33
Nakba day, 15th of May:
Is it just me, or has western media for the first time dutifully reported the event?

No, I don't think it is just you. Where I live I don't remember any substantive mention of previous Nakba days, but this year -while not being highlighted- the MSM are at least reporting it and noted that it is to recall the memory of the 700,000 Palestinians forcibly removed from their lands by the Zionists in 1948.

At least the Western MSM has finally acknowledged this racist based crime. Even if very belatedly.
Unfortunately, for Palestine the Nakba was not the end of the matter, and the Zionist driven genocide has intensified over the last few years, enabled by the silence of their backers (predominantly from the West, but the RF has not objected strongly either).


Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 16 2024 6:26 utc | 72

Kicking Palestine is all Biden's got to keep the proles in line.

Posted by: too scents | May 16 2024 6:55 utc | 73

Joe Sacco is the author and renderer of "comic books" which completely reorient the medium. Lynd Ward was the first great artist of graphic books (wood engravings of superhuman quality), and Joe Sacco is the latest. My note about Sacco belongs here in the Palestine thread because he brings an incredible power with the pen to the war on Gaza. This links to his latest, about what happens to Joe Sacco's tax-payment check:

https://www.tcj.com/the-war-on-gaza-5-7-24/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 16 2024 7:03 utc | 74

...] “I will not agree to the establishment of a military government in Gaza,” he said, adding a “civilian-military regime in Gaza will become the main effort in there and come at the expense of other arenas. We will pay for it in blood and victims – and it will come at a heavy economic cost.”
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What Gallant is admitting is that "Hamas" can never be eliminated. Yet that is the stated US/Israeli goal.

Posted by: Gene Poole | May 16 2024 7:32 utc | 75

"Morover, I'm convinced that Prot(estant). fanatics have been in control since the earliest days of the colonies. It wasn't Zionists who decided to eliminate the Native Americans."

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In this case it is amusing to compare in the Wiki the English version and the (less censored) Spanish version about the Manifest Destiny inspired by the Old Testament

It is not the origin, but the Software

The Mental Software: a dominant people and a population, "the people of the land" to be subdued and enslaved and if they resist expelled or exterminated. Read the book of Deuteronomy

And this Mental Software merged with the Roman imperial ideology in a fusion again and again renewed until the last (ca. 1963/67/1997-).

Posted by: Simon | May 16 2024 8:00 utc | 76

Posted by: Giyane | May 15 2024 22:25 utc | 43

What has basic population arithmetic to do with eugenics?

Posted by: Greg | May 16 2024 8:18 utc | 77

It’s interesting to observe the Likud clinging to its mowing-the-lawn paradigm. The Likudniks argue among themselves how best to imprison the Gazans - either a brutal military occupation or a wide kill zone and starvation blockade seems to be the agenda items.

Meanwhile - the IDF is getting decisively pummeled on both the Northern and Southern Fronts.

The Likud would do well to negotiate a lasting and secure peace with the Arabs. The Arabs have generously offered a lasting peace based on the pre-1967 lines. Israelis deserve a lasting and secure peace, not the Likud.

A wag has noted;

242 is better than 181 and both are much better than the Algerian outcome.

Posted by: Exile | May 16 2024 8:34 utc | 78

Posted by: juliania | May 16 2024 2:45 utc | 63

Well said Juliana. I hope that you are right and there is a sea change in comprehension of Palestine in the West. The Zionist controlled MSM has spreading their poison unquestioned for far too long.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 16 2024 8:35 utc | 79

Posted by: Jane | May 15 2024 16:05 utc | 7

The nazis treated communists and Jews as the same thing, hence their conflation during Operation Barbarossa and the murder of about 1.5 million Jewish Soviet citizens in 1941. Barbarossa failed by September 1941 at the latest and Aktion Reinhard in the Generalgouvernment (1942-1943) was intended to alleviate food shortages in Germany consequent on the Hongerplan in the occupied Soviet territories not being implemented due to the failure to defeat the USSR according to plan. Antisemitism was clearly involved in the genocides against Jews but so was utilitarianism.

Posted by: Squeeth | May 16 2024 9:20 utc | 80

11:57 Al-Qassam Brigades’ fighters successfully destroy an IOF “Merkava 4” tank advancing east of Jabalia city using a `Shawaz` projectile, resulting in the death and injury of the crew members.


Comment - Claimed tally now 182 Merkavas knocked out since Hostilities restarted on 2.Oct. Strikes on Merkavas is maybe 2x. Note this includes Northern Front claims

Posted by: Exile | May 16 2024 9:28 utc | 81

Going to be a busy day in the Levant:

….12:29 Al-Qassam Brigades target an IOF ‘Merkava’ tank with an “Al-Yassin 105” projectile, east of Rafah projectile….

Comment - ( this strike does not count as knocked out) barflies simply go to this link and follow the live feed:

https://english.almanar.com.lb/

Posted by: Exile | May 16 2024 9:33 utc | 82

Never thought of that angle-good point!

Posted by: canuck | May 15 2024 16:20 utc | 8
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It has been mentioned numerous times in these threads, but only AFAIK by Lysias and me.

Actually, it is kind of a no-brainer.
For more background,
check this out:
https://unctad.org/news/unrealized-potential-palestinian-oil-and-gas-reserves

Posted by: Jane | May 15 2024 20:14 utc | 27

Thanks, Jane

Posted by: canuck | May 16 2024 10:06 utc | 83

Posted by: abierno | May 15 2024 21:05 utc | 34

To adapt Stalin: "You have a country. It is a problem. No country, no problem." Your faith in the enforcability of UN sputterings is quaint.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 15 2024 21:23 utc | 37

abierno wrote a masterful post, not 'quaint' at all; what is 'quaint' is that ,as a college professor, that you can't even spell the word, 'enforceability' ; I strongly suspect you belong to a 'quaint' college .

Posted by: canuck | May 16 2024 10:13 utc | 84

Greg 77

God gave us the urge and the means to procreate. The West constantly attacking Muslim countries and killing and terrorising Muslims triggers an unconscious survival urge
which the pampered West lacks.

The problem in Egypt is government corruption which has polluted the seas and the drinking water with Toxic Western chemicals.

The genocide of Muslims by USUKIS is not confined to Palestine, and it is counterproductive because it increases reproduction . Stupidity incarnate by brainless Mammon worship.

Posted by: Giyane | May 16 2024 11:24 utc | 85

Round up of military actions from Wednesday

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-army-devastated-in-gaza-resistance-roundup-day-222/

Comment - exhaustingly long list of attacks by all sorts of resistance units. Those underground workshops must be running triple shifts. Plenty of combat footage. Hard to discern precisely; but morale appears sky high among the Arab soldiers

Posted by: Exile | May 16 2024 11:31 utc | 86

Hi Patroklos! I'm glad you stayed with us. :) Have a heart <3 Sharing is caring!

Posted by: titmouse | May 16 2024 11:38 utc | 87

https://english.almanar.com.lb/
Posted by: Exile | May 16 2024 9:33 utc | 82
___________
I tried to send that link to a group on Facebook Messenger and it was "rejected by the server." If I change "almanar" to "ilminir" the message gets through.

Posted by: Gene Poole | May 16 2024 12:05 utc | 88

Update: Al Manar TV has been banned in France by the Conseil d'État for "dissemination of anti-Semitic content," The satellite operator Eutelsat took 12 hours to remove the feed from its Arabic-language bundle. The provider in Tunisia was threatened with removal of all Arabic programming if they refused to remove Al Manar from the bundle. UMP legislator Pierre Lellouche said on the air that the State must find more effective ways of removing "anti-Semitic filth" from the airwaves.
Blocking a Web site is probably easier... I'm not sure if Facebook itself is behind the blockage of almanar.com.lb links or if the French state has pressured them into it.

Posted by: Gene Poole | May 16 2024 12:26 utc | 89

Must read
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/israels-willing-executioners

Posted by: Minaa | May 16 2024 12:34 utc | 90

[email protected] 1.5 Soviet Jews killed, but they weren't Communists, just Jews? Better question how many Communists were killed along side the Soviet Jews....any idea, maybe bevin has those numbers.....

Cheers M

It might be me likely is, but there are always exactitudes for how many Jews are killed in any given conflict, in fact one might believe only Jews are ever killed.....all other deaths are inconsequential like the inconvenient dead of Palestine.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 16 2024 12:46 utc | 91

[email protected] 1.5 Soviet Jews killed, but they weren't Communists, just Jews? Better question how many Communists were killed along side the Soviet Jews....any idea, maybe bevin has those numbers.....

Cheers M

It might be me likely is, but there are always exactitudes for how many Jews are killed in any given conflict, in fact one might believe only Jews are ever killed.....all other deaths are inconsequential like the inconvenient dead of Palestine.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 16 2024 12:46 utc | 92

So the real reason as some seem to be grabbing on to as a 'no brainer' for the utter destruction of Gaza is the small amount of oil and gas off the coast of Palestine, you guys are 100% correct, it is a no brainer, if you need help finding yours, reach out....

Cheers M


Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 16 2024 12:53 utc | 93

Posted by: Giyane | May 16 2024 11:24 utc | 85

God also gave us the means to maintain our numbers and needs in accord with the capacity of our home landscape.
Being a net debtor due to too many mouths to feed greatly erodes national independence and sovereign power.

Yes those burgeoning circumstances are directly the result of malignant colonial impacts upon local culture. However the first commenter simply, and correctly, noted the arithmetic circumstance i.e. food/energy per capita. Egypt being Exhibit A.
This was stated in context to highlighting the corner they are now stuck in respective to exerting any real power. Until they are rescued by whomever (BRICS?) they are reliant upon the West for day to day survival. Iran being the notable exception. It is not a welfare recipient.

Posted by: Greg | May 16 2024 13:10 utc | 94

Posted by: snake | May 15 2024 23:26 utc | 47
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My primary point was, and has been, to remember to connect the dots between the Nord Stream sabotage and the plan to steal Gaza's gas and oil.

Posted by: Jane | May 16 2024 13:14 utc | 95

The deliberate ahistorical claims about when exactly - how late supposedly - the notion of a ‘Jewish’ homeland was planned is wearisome. Espoused by the usual suspects here. It’s almost as if they are coordinated… like the supposed hard left of the U.K.were.
You know the Trotskyites, the communist revolutionaries who all seemed to transcend into traditional right wingers, with fascist xenophobic button pushing agitation of their dumb followers, ending up darlings of the establishment and even ennobled - like Claire Fox , created a fake by Bozo the Clown ! The dumb followers left to wonder around in a daze with their supposed new found ‘politics’

I have posted multiple times that the concept of the Zionist state in the Levant was espoused as early as the early 1820’s by the British governments mandarins to the caliphate in Byzantine even as the French and English worked on Egypt and the MENA countries established a Muslim brotherhood that ended up being vassals of the Western industrial development and control of the Black Gold.

Gadaffi famously called out the Saudis to their faces as the slaves of the English and European imperialists who put them into place . A great piece of video if anyone finds it. Old Faisal, corpulent looked like a thief as sunglassed Muamar tore home a new one - an insult returned literally in the overthrow of the Libyan leader as the collective waste invaded and destroyed that great enterprise.

Anyway leaving that aside - the Balfour agreement was a last minute insurance policy incase the Bolsheviks failed to hand over the old khazar empire lands to the Zionist converts and Money owners who had lusted after it for centuries - financing endless attempts at taking Russia and failing. Planning to destroy its Orthodox Church which unlike the Vatican refused to be part of their ‘gang’ of Bankers from the earliest days - whence the schism came about

When that inevitability failed it was necessary to build Hitlers Nazism to encourage Zionist Jewish migrants to the Levant - the Breaking Glass progrom so dutifully reported and immortalised PRE WAR ! Most ended up going to Europe and the USA preferring better life prospects, because they were not interested in being imperialists settlers in a colonial invasion and f a land they had absolutely NO connection with even as they were discouraged by these supposed guardians of the west by engendering antisemitism in the European and Anglo empire.

That ‘encouragement’ didn’t get much traction, pre the mega proxy war by the western financial and industrialist backed Hitler and Nazism against the Russians/Soviets to beat Stalinism. A win there would have removed the need to invade the Levant with such urgency.

As soon as that murderous war attack failed by the end of 1942 - the need to push millions of Zionists and non-Zionists Jews into the Levant insurance policy from the previous war was the only option left for the ancient shapeshifting ghouls - hence the final solution narrative was born - note - only AFTER the defeat of Nazi Germany was assured!

The rest as they say is living history leading to an actual mass murder and a real visible genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Semitic peoples of the Levant by the Aryan Anglo European Imperilasists funded as usually by the Money - doubling down now quarter of the way through the century like some bloodthirsty conquistadors of past centuries.
They’re courtier sand slaves watching on in silence from their glass palaces and playboy billionaire lifestyles. Gadaffi’s revenge will these cities shattered into broken glass and the disappearance of the Shekel Sheiks.

It is now inevitable because even a displaced millions of Palestinians will with the real ancient Arabs of Yemen and North East Africa along with the ancient cilisqtio s of Syria and Iran are unconquerable - they have survived two decades of onslaught create by the fake WoT. They have failed to create their own history as the unipolar imperialist apex after centuries History had just met in Beijing and is now marching on the imperialists impregnable castles - the industrial Might and the Financial Towers.

From the River to the Sea Palestine is free.

The Zionazis have had fair warning. It’s been a week so I’ll repeat for the hasbarats in all their disguise here - pack and go now because the days to the deadline to go are getting closer. See that peer that’s nearly built? Millions will have to get onto their exodus ships there. In the name of the dead Palestinian babies - go or perish for these crimes as perpetual convert pawns of your ancient slave masters.

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 16 2024 13:15 utc | 96

Giyane | May 15 2024 21:43 utc | 39

NS1/2 was obvious anathema to US/UK, the modern-day equivalent to the Baghdad Railway. Actually it surprised me the attack didn't come earlier.
But as you rightly say in #42, oil is yesterday's business. So there's little point in planning oil/ gas flows which will only start in ~20 years: It's now (soon) or never.
In theory, Israel/Palestine is perfectly located to be a future gas export hub to EUrope - not only from Gaza, but also Egypt, Qatar, Iran...but it's preconditioned on a (one state) solution for the Palestinian question. So it will take time, and I don't think the huge investment required will still be seen as viable in ~10 years.

Slight disagreement on Libya and Somalia.
Somalia's timeline is 10-15 years ahead of Libya, it's long past "full-scale catastrophe" stage. Libya is also slowly re-stabilizing, and firmly in the Russian-Chinese camp - see the recent deployment of Surovikin. Its oil exports may increase, but not to US/UK conditions.

juliania | May 16 2024 2:45 utc | 63
Barrel Brown | May 16 2024 6:26 utc | 72

Thanks for replying - so I wasn't wrong in thinking that the reporting of Nakba Day in western MSM (in my case, German public radio) is something new.
Seems that Hamas has succeeded in showing that the Palestinian question has to be taken seriously (again).

Posted by: smuks | May 16 2024 13:21 utc | 97

Posted by: Squeeth | May 16 2024 9:20 utc | 80
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This is not really a response to my post, which was a response to an earlier post. Justifications for Operation Barbarossa is a different topic.

But, whatever. Bye.

Posted by: Jane | May 16 2024 13:50 utc | 98

Jewish Biden staffer resigns over Gaza on Nakba Day. "President Biden has the blood of innocent people on his hands" Decensored News 15 May 2024
Two days after the high-profile resignation of US Army Major Harrison Mann on Monday, Lily Greenburg Call—a Jewish Biden political appointee—has publicly resigned from her position at the Department of Interior.
“I can no longer in good conscience continue to represent this administration amidst President Biden’s disastrous, continued support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza,” wrote the (now-former) special assistant to the chief of staff.
While her resignation is getting significant coverage (including in the “MSM“), few if any outlets are actually publishing Call’s full, unedited letter, which is not only well-written, but also carefully sourced and footnoted.
Because of this, and because it speaks so well for itself, here it is in full. It’s addressed to US Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland and dated May 15, 2024:
Dear Secretary Haaland,
I joined the Biden Administration because I believe in fighting for a better America, for a future where Americans can thrive: one with economic prosperity, a healthy planet, and equal rights for all people. I have dedicated my career to candidates who I believed would further this vision. I worked for Vice President Kamala Harris’ presidential campaign in 2019, and then moved to Arizona to work for President Biden’s campaign in 2020. I was thrilled to join the Department of Interior because I was inspired by your principled track record of championing progressive causes, in addition to your role as an Indigenous woman leading a Department that historically harmed Indigenous communities, and the potential that it has for reparations, reconciliation, and healing.
However, I can no longer in good conscience continue to represent this administration amidst President Biden’s disastrous, continued support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza.ᶦ
I am an American Jew.
My family escaped antisemitic persecution in Europe and found refuge in America. They changed their names at Ellis Island and worked as farmers, peddlers, and salespeople. My grandparents could not go to college. Two generations later, I have the honour of working as an appointee for the President of the United States.
The weight of this position is not lost on me.
This is the story of many people in my community: a story of survival, upward mobility, and fulfilment of the American Dream. And yet, I have asked myself many times over the last eight months: what is the point of having power if you will not use it to stop crimes against humanity?
My whole life has been spent in Jewish community in the US and Israel.
I have spent time in Israel/Palestine, and I learned Hebrew and Arabic both formally in school and through connection in community. I have family and friends who are Israeli, Palestinian – and have loved ones who have served in the IDF. People in my community lost loved ones during Hamas’s attack on October 7thᶦᶦ; beloveds killed, displaced, and taken as hostages. I am terrified by rising antisemitism around the world.ᶦᶦᶦ And yet I am certain that the answer to this is not to collectively punish millions of innocent Palestinians through displacement,ᶦᵛ famineᵛ, and ethnic cleansing.ᵛᶦ
Israel’s ongoing offensive against Palestinians does not keep Jewish people safe – in Israel nor in the United States. What I have learned from my Jewish tradition is that every life is precious. That we are obligated to stand up for those facing violence and oppression, and to question authority in the face of injustice.
As of writing this, Israel has killed over 35,000 people in Gaza, including 15,000 children.ᵛᶦᶦ The Israeli military has bombed medical infrastructure,ᵛᶦᶦᶦ besieged a hospital,ᶦˣ left mass graves behind,ˣ destroyed every university in Gaza,ˣᶦ targeted journalistsˣᶦᶦ and aid workers,ˣᶦᶦᶦ and committed many, many inexcusable atrocities. These are all violations of international law,ˣᶦᵛ none of which would be possible without American weapons,ˣᵛ and none of which have been condemned by President Biden.
The President has the power to call for a lasting ceasefire, to stop sending weapons to Israel, and to condition aid. The United States has used nearly no leverage throughout the last eight months to hold Israel accountable; quite the opposite, we have enabled and legitimized Israel’s actions with vetoes of UN resolutions designed to hold Israel accountable.ˣᵛᶦ
President Biden has the blood of innocent people on his hands.
The United States has long enabled Israeli war crimes and the status quo of apartheid and occupation.
That status quo does not keep Israelis safe, nor Jews around the world.
It certainly does not protect Palestinians, who have the right to freedom, safety, self-determination, and dignity, just as much as Jewish people do, and every person does.
Any system that requires the subjugation of one group over another is not only unjust, but unsafe.
Jewish safety cannot — and will not — come at the expense of Palestinian freedom. Making Jews the face of the American war machine makes us less safe. What seems like a lack of awareness in the Administration leadership of how critical this issue is to the American public is devastating to both communities, and politically disastrous.ˣᵛᶦᶦ
Today, May 15th, is Nakba Day,ˣᵛᶦᶦᶦ which recognizes the destruction of Palestinian society and homeland in 1948 and the displacement of the majority of the Palestinian people for the formation of today’s modern Israel. Nakba and Shoah, the Hebrew word for Holocaust, mean the same thing: catastrophe.
I reject the premise that one people’s salvation must come at another’s destruction. I am committed to creating a world where this does not happen — and this cannot be done from within the Biden Administration.
My choice to leave is not a reflection of this office or the Department. I have felt supported by many individuals here, but I do not feel supported by the policies and actions of this Administration. I have the utmost respect for my colleagues at the Department who have given so much of themselves to doing the good work of preserving our public lands and strengthening Indian Country, and the many public servants across the federal government. I urge you all to take a stand for Palestinian lives. All of our futures depend on this.
Respectfully, Lily Greenberg Call

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | May 16 2024 16:15 utc | 99

I am living in a State of Confusion.

USA congress has pressed for more help for Israel and Joe happily sends it.

Just today media had pics and names of IDF slain troops in Gaza presented as heroes.

IDF says they were only seeking out "terrorists" and so IDF needs to collectively slaughter any people who provide any kind of cover for opposition fighters.

Some argue that IDF is like the good old KKK. But KKK were masked and used religious symbols to help justify their atrocities. Their symbols contained elements of racism and intolerance. KKK did not have a significant national leader. And KKK did not act on a scale as substantial as IDF does today.

Maybe a more accurate comparison of IDF is not KKK but Nazi Germany.

In Operation Barbarossa in WWII troops had blind allegiance to the "leader"; they felt justified in slaughter of enemies because of a natural god-given superiority; they also claimed to be justified in murder of any who provided help to the victims.

Even though KKK and Nazi Germans had different "enemy" lists both seemed to delight in meting out "collective" punishment and the harsher the better.

But while it is difficult to know whether more like KKK or Nazis my vote is to hold IDF nearer to their Nazi kinship.

I shed no tears for dead Nazi or IDF murderers who have blindly followed their masters.

Posted by: RAM | May 16 2024 17:35 utc | 100

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