I’d like to offer a moral contemplation, a labyrinth if you will Lydia, about your very reasonable lament here (which you answered in truth immediately thereafter):

Thank you sun and juliana, it doesn’t seem any human agency can stop this horror. They don’t neglect the spiritual, neither should we.
Deliver me, O LORD, from the evil man: preserve me from the violent man;
2 Which imagine mischiefs in their heart; continually are they gathered together for war.
3 they have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders’ poison is under their lips. Selah.
4 Keep me, O LORD, from the hands of the wicked; preserve me from the violent man; who have purposed to overthrow my goings.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-140-1/
Pray that people will return to the Lord Jesus.
https://anastpaul.com/
Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | May 15 2024 2:17 utc | 192

What if one can boil down the work of the divine as the whisper of conscience and the revelation of the wicked lost amongst us? The next step is our free will to move beyond escapism, apathy, and fear: the sin of sloth. The next step *is* human agency. =)
Look back at the prayer… it can all be answered by the divine’s clarity of discernment followed by human agency. 😉 Awareness in and of itself gives answer, and action shows inner strength to “return to the flock instead of the wilds”, naturally separates the wheat from the chaff. We never needed superman, we needed the teacher, we needed ourselves and each other to do the right thing as best we can.
I think a profound, revealing providence has been at work these past few years. And I believe this is so at levels that reels everyone globally and of differing political yet humanistic persuasions. The next step is us: where do we choose to go? 🙂
The Labyrinth, contemplate how does one be brave, true to ourselves, to stop these ongoing horrors in our power & capacity? Who do we need to reach out to in order to increase our power & capacity? What is our restraint, our guardians, that protect us from the temptations of privilege & immunity?
The mystery is to find our own way to Compassion, Judgment, & Strength to Act so as we may tend our garden. 🙂 Must Another do all the heavy lifting? Was not eyes, heart, mind, voice, and body enough gift to leave imprint upon this borrowed Earth? Maybe we can, if we try, but we can only know if we try.

Posted by: titmouse | May 15 2024 8:36 utc | 204

In the end the British were simply word down and worn out and QUIT.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 15 2024 8:16 utc | 203
No, that was after the second WW. The original British and French idea was to turn the Ottoman territories into colonies of the empire. They were only called ‘mandates’ because of Woodrow Wilson, and even then they didn’t appreciate that Arab opinion wouldn’t stand for British and French colonisation. Independence was forced on the mandatory powers pretty quickly, less than 15 years in the case of Iraq, though effective influence lasted quite a bit longer. but it was already evident that Palestine was going to be different. A Jewish governor was appointed, and Transjordan separated off: it was in the early 1920s that a future of a Jewish state was first recognised by the British. But by 1939 they’d realised it wasn’t going to work. It was the Labour Christian Zionists (chapel-goers) after the war who surrendered Palestine to American decision.

Posted by: laguerre | May 15 2024 8:40 utc | 206

Re: IDF setting the new gold standard” for minimizing harm to non-combatants in an urban conflict.:
1) the mass graves with women and children being buried alive after having their organs harvested might beg to differ
2) the IDF AI killing algorithm calculates a 99% civilian kill ratio for 1 Al-Qassem Major is worth it. The algorithm also calculates for lower ranked Al-Qassem that a 95% civilian kill ratio for 1 Al-Qassem low ranked fighter is worth it.
3) the Likud considers Gaza postmen, kindergarten teachers, nurses, and the like as ‘Hamas Terrorists’
4) The ICJ already decided that the Likud was engaged in a plausible genocide.
Who you going to believe the Likud or your own lieing eyes ?

Posted by: Exile | May 15 2024 8:53 utc | 208

laguerre 198
Thierry Myessan has an allergy to religion of any sort, which enables him to conflate Cromwell with US Christian Zionism.
Halfway through the USUKIS proxy war against Islam he talked with some Jihadists and discovered their
sincerity. Unfortunately the sincerity of some is the political cover for the likes of Brett MuckDurt their US commanding officer.
Asia is controlled by tribes, not Western style ideologies. The Iraqi Ashshari tribes supported Barzani’s, Mossad- controlled “””””””””” Democratic””””””””” Party in its slaughter and rape of the Yazidis.
Deeply entrenched , extremely right wing, Fascists of a feather, with Nutjob and Jellybaby.
What have Biden and Sunak got in common with Zionist Nazism? Grift.
To live in Asia you have to use your head, not your emotions, because a tribe represents Grift. The Jews think that their alliance with USUK politics makes public opinion irrelevant and they can do what they like.
But Islam says that all respect is with Allah. Thierry Myessan disrespects religious, tribal and political grift, and he is not unaware of or unconscious of the vast respect that Allah confers on people of faith. Oliver Cromell was a man of faith. Netanyahu is not. He is a man of Khazarian , Ukrainian, Nazi , Grift.

Posted by: Giyane | May 15 2024 12:16 utc | 210

Oliver Cromell was a man of faith. Netanyahu is not. He is a man of Khazarian , Ukrainian, Nazi , Grift.
Posted by: Giyane | May 15 2024 12:16 utc | 210
Not really, Cromwell was your everyday toxic Puritan psychopath, utterly delusional and murderous vile creature bring genocide and death wherever he went. His peers traveled to the Americas at the same time circa 1620 taking their toxic psychopathy with them and proceeded to inflict genocide and vile slavery upon the peoples there for hundreds of years until eventually they began exporting it to the world the Puritans a long distant fading memory.
Cromwell was vile narcissistic human being . With delusions of grandeur he was being led by god when in fact it was the Jinns and his own demented bigoted self-righteous cruel ego. No better than a netanyahu and the rest.
How’s that sound? Better? Maybe not but I think a sight more accurate description of what went down.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 15 2024 13:53 utc | 212

“Fact is the, biggest point against the Brits pushing for a Jewish State was that it was ILLEGAL under international law to create such a thing out of a Mandate jurisdiction …. from before WW1.
The UK was required under international Law to act to bring about a PALESTINE State for all citizens of that territory. They failed to do so. Which is why we are here.
Elsewhere Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc were formed into new states.”
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 15 2024 8:16 utc | 203
You all are missing the most importance piece in the ME turning into a quagmire in the last century.
For 1200 or so years the levant was ruled by the Muslims/Ottomans with some interruptions -ie the Crusades.
When General Allenby and Lawrence of Arabia conquered the Levant in 1916-17 the dynamic changed radically.
There was no concerted plan to Zionize the Levant by the big powers (at the time UK/France Sykes/Picot 1917 treaty)they were caught with their pants down with crafty Zionist leaders taking advantage of the power vacuum created by the UK/French conquest..

Posted by: canuck | May 15 2024 14:13 utc | 214

Mothering?! Not earning him a buckor two. Lol

Posted by: Giyane | May 15 2024 14:45 utc | 216

I would like to bring attention to a noticeably absent point in the Palestinian discussions and that is the role of the Saudis in all this. I have heard significant gripping about Erdogan and Turkey’s lack of action over Palestine. Now that Turkey, is sacrificing its substantial trade with Israel, I hope that meme is wanning. My is was that this is a diversion to obfoscate the real culprit who is responsible for the collapse of Arab support – MbS and the Saudis. MBs is doing this because he depends on the US and Israel to maintain his vice grip on power. A people’s uprising such as a Palastian revolution is exactly the type of treat this monarch fears the most. The Saudis hide their corruption by fund a massive PR and influence peddling operation in the West. For better or worse, Erdogan works in a Democratic system whose election results seen as valid, even by its critics. Erdogan and Hamas are affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood which has more of a People oriented mission, a grave threat to the Monarchs. Thus this isn’t a collapse of Muslim support for the resistance, but a revolution that is a threat to the Arab monarchs that have been installed by the British and ruled over the Arabs during the last century.

Posted by: Turk 152 | May 15 2024 15:31 utc | 218

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/05/the-arsenal-of-genocide-the-u-s-weapons-that-are-destroying-gaza.html

Posted by: JAB | May 15 2024 17:17 utc | 220

“”George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, to name a few, presented themselves as the successors of the exiled supporters of Oliver Cromwell. The United States logically resumed the Zionist project.”
Bullshit! Totally crazy!
Gawd I’m never believing another thing from https://www.voltairenet.org without major other sources confirming it. This is really nutty stuff imho. I used to think he was credible and reasonably reliable and did good historical research … oh well. Live n learn.””
@ Lavrov’s Dog | 208
Live n learn, indeed. You need to learn a lot more. Events of the 1640’s and 1650’s are entirely relevant today. Just ask the Irish. Think for yourself about how the founding of the Bank Of England in 1694 must have been prepared long before.
Thierrey Meyssan is very reliable. What clinched his truthfulness for me was back in 2005 or 2006. Former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafic Hariri was murdered in a truck bombing or a missile attack in 2005. If it was a truck bomb, it could have been anyone. If it was a missile it could only have been Israel. The crater was unusually deep and some eyewitnesses thought they heard the whine of an incoming missile. There were no leftover truck pieces at the crime scene, which was odd. Meyssan wrote that the French government wanted to answer that truck/missile question too, so they secretly shipped 20 tons of dirt from the bomb scene to a French army base for testing with high explosives to see if a truck bomb could have caused such a deep crater. Well, Meyssan’s claim was too much for me to believe and I stopped reading voltairenet.org. But I kept reading mainstream French media and about 4 months later, I read not one, but two different credible reports that indeed the dirt had been taken to a French army base which they both named, and was tested with explosives. Neither story said what the test showed. Wow ! Meyssan was right all along! I hadn’t read much voltairenet before, but I became a regular reader after that, and have never found anything dishonest or “wild claims” at voltairenet.org. Meyssan sometimes goes into the historical depths of how all this came to be. I can’t say he is always right because I haven’t gone into the same depth of detail, but he points his finger in the right direction.
If you read Lyndon Larouche, for example, you will find the same historical effort to understand modern events as consequences of 1400-1700. Larouche calls out the Venetians, but it’s the same nexus in England of 1640-1660. Larouche is someone I initially didn’t respect because the few Larouchies I ran into were chain-smoking crazies. Venice, 1650’s, blah blah – whatever. But Larouche had scholarship and proper historical references which I discovered through Webster Tarpley, a former Larouchie, who was a formidable intellect before he lost his mind and became a Hillary Clinton supporter. Tarpley too, had hard-core historical foundations for things you would not otherwise believe. Even Michel Foucault, the gay leather darling of the Left, in his early book “The Order Of Things” (which in the early 1970’s I thought was a big deal), wrote that the few years around 1650 AD saw a major shift in peoples’ understanding of the world.
History has some strange perspectives. Too far back and we don’t have much data. Too recent, such as what the French call “Contemporary History” and it’s still so important to today’s realities, that it’s mostly stuffed with crap by lying spin-masters. Anther oddity about History is that there is often far more written material than you might expect. There’s plenty about the 1400-1700 era, enough to form well-grounded conclusions. But you have to have the patience to sift through a lot of books, and a sense for truth and relevance so you don’t get lost.

Posted by: JessDTruth | May 15 2024 23:42 utc | 222

psychopaths and Cromwell in the 1600s and
I am.hoping that Respect Party George Galloway is going to kick the starus quo. Go on , tell me he’s a racist ego-path too.
Posted by: Giyane | May 15 2024 14:39 utc | 216
Discussing Galloway and his policies and values seems an eminently more sensible kind of conversation to be having.
Thanks for your commentary and your responses. I am well aware of sincere Muslim beliefs and practices (and psychology) of various kinds and respect them (but will not get into that, or why to is so, as peoples intimate beliefs are personal imo). warm regards.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 16 2024 4:27 utc | 224