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May 12, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-137
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: John Gilberts | May 11 2024 12:52 utc | 120 Posted by: Sarah K | May 12 2024 14:41 utc | 1 The function of the Shoa Gaza is threefold: Posted by: Polli | May 12 2024 15:05 utc | 2 With each and every genocidal assault on the starving people of Gaza, by the I$raeli AirFarce, with planes, bombs and rockets provided by American taxpayers by the agency of Uncle $hmuel; tens of thousands of people all across the planet come to a further realization that the “Chosen People” will require exile from Occupied Palestine. Posted by: aristodemos | May 12 2024 15:29 utc | 3 Not that regular Israelis focus on it or even know about it. But their rulers partner with foreign bloodthirsty agreement-incapable people who insist on using Israel to project force into the ME, finance and spread terror, destabilize, maintain chaos, and thus remain in control of the region. With partners like that who will always use Israel as a violent tool, regular Israelis will never find peace. Posted by: despondent | May 12 2024 15:29 utc | 4 I think we struggle with explaining this sad situation in the Middle East Posted by: Eighthman | May 12 2024 15:43 utc | 5 Ergo, regular Israelis must replace their rulers with people who partner instead with people more interested in doing business with their own abundant resources (materials, STEM grads) than trying to literally murder the competition. Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 12 2024 15:52 utc | 6 Posted by: despondent | May 12 2024 15:29 utc | 4 Posted by: AI | May 12 2024 15:54 utc | 7 Egypt preparing to join in South Africa at the ICJ against israel genocidal campaign in Gaza. Posted by: AI | May 12 2024 15:57 utc | 8 Ergo, regular Israelis must replace their rulers [etc.] Posted by: malenkov | May 12 2024 15:57 utc | 9 The college kids deserve a shout out and our support for keeping this genocide on the front burner. TPTB are desperately trying to discredit them for their courage. The Palestinians have noticed and appreciate them for it as do I: https://folkpotpourri.com/the-cost-and-reward-of-an-education/ Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | May 12 2024 15:58 utc | 10 I neglect to explain how to replace your current rulers. My vote in the West doesn’t count. So why do I hold any hope you can accomplish in your country what I can’t accomplish in mine? Well, yes, we’re probably all fucked. But, you live in a smaller country. Maybe there’s still a little chance that your votes, protest, etc count for something. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 12 2024 16:03 utc | 11 #1 Thank you. Whenever I see the official Hamas #’s of dead I always think of how scrupulously correct their number is of confirmed dead, and cringe at the rubble undercount. I do not have time for youtube. (Gardening, work, 90+ y.o. mother). If anyone comes across a good text site (with graphs maybe) on the undercount I would be deeply appreciative. Posted by: paxmark1 | May 12 2024 16:31 utc | 12 We are now at the point where the IDF is dropping flyers in the north telling Palestinians to flee to the south and in the south telling them to flee to the north Posted by: JAB | May 12 2024 16:47 utc | 13 Posted by: JAB | May 12 2024 16:53 utc | 14 From Reuters Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2024 17:46 utc | 15 We may think it’s Yahya Sinwar directing the Resistance from a bunker deep under Gaza, but Zionists think it’s Adolph Hitler down there. Really! That’s my take-away from reading this piece by Lebanese author Gilbert Achar. He makes several other interesting observations. Posted by: Chas | May 12 2024 18:02 utc | 16 Do you hear that? Precisely! The quiet is settling in the west. This moment of carnage has been dealt and is now time to lay low. Kids will return home for summer and that moment will pass, too. Most gnats in the west will forget by September and the new will have moved on to the americans elections. Israel will continue with attacks which will be punctuation to the main headlines and avoid the spotlight. Thank you, thank you so much, people of the the USA and inconsequential pacific islanders. Posted by: Hahajizzjizz | May 12 2024 18:10 utc | 17 Today, Egypt joins with Columbia and Turkey to join the International Court of Justice case brought by South Africa against Israel. USUKIS well and truly isolated. Posted by: abierno | May 12 2024 18:21 utc | 18 @paxmark1 #12 Posted by: Sarah K | May 12 2024 18:59 utc | 19 Any Barfly know which IDF brigades are attacking Rafah ? I’d like to do some background on these units. Posted by: Exile | May 12 2024 19:05 utc | 20 The college kids deserve a shout out and our support for keeping this genocide on the front burner. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 12 2024 19:06 utc | 21 Everything Israel has done militarily in Gaza has failed… and caused giant cracks in Israeli defence to be showcased… Posted by: Liberator | May 12 2024 19:17 utc | 22 And never to be forgotten: Posted by: DuchessAndBob | May 12 2024 19:23 utc | 23 with all the so called anti semitism about we are going to need a hollow cause ww2 museum in every town in every city in the whole ball earth spheroid ellipsoid oblate most probably flat whatever.. Posted by: todd | May 12 2024 19:28 utc | 24 One suspects that Bibi is on a knife edge in Gaza. If he crosses Iran’s red line in Rafah he’ll have hundreds of missile craters in Jewrael to bullshit about. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 12 2024 19:32 utc | 25 So people in palestine are supposed to flee south from the Northern part, and North from the southern Part. Where will they meet ? Simple, somewhere near the “port/separation” that is controlled by Israel, and soon by the US. Gilad Atzmon’s circa 2010 essay Judea Declares War On Obama is still the best summary of Jewish “History” and “culture” I have ever read. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 12 2024 20:07 utc | 28 One suspects that Bibi is on a knife edge in Gaza. If he crosses Iran’s red line in Rafah he’ll have hundreds of missile craters in Jewrael to bullshit about. Posted by: JAB | May 12 2024 20:08 utc | 29 Sarah K | May 12 2024 14:41 utc | 1 Posted by: john | May 12 2024 20:11 utc | 30 @20 Exile Posted by: Ornot | May 12 2024 20:35 utc | 31 “Journalist Sohaib Masalmeh Posted by: Ornot | May 12 2024 20:48 utc | 32 Gratitude and respect and remembrance eternal to the most honorable Airman Aaron Bushnell. Posted by: Johnny Dollar | May 12 2024 21:06 utc | 33 # 31 Ornot Posted by: crone | May 12 2024 21:41 utc | 34 Is Bernie Sanders The Worst?
Posted by: librul | May 12 2024 22:40 utc | 35 Israel’s position on borders was determined by UNSC 242 on November 22, 1967. Posted by: Don Bacon | May 12 2024 22:51 utc | 36 I am beginning to find it suspicious that Hezbollah and Hamas are only targeting the same IDF bases and towns over and over again. Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 12 2024 23:12 utc | 37 Blinken is now taking an anti-Netanyahu line. James Carville is complaining that nothing is working. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 12 2024 23:22 utc | 38 Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 12 2024 23:12 utc | 37 Posted by: Archetypex | May 12 2024 23:26 utc | 39 Thanks crone @ 34 Posted by: Ornot | May 12 2024 23:38 utc | 40
I find everything suspicious! @37 Arch Bungle Posted by: Ornot | May 13 2024 0:12 utc | 42 @ librul | May 12 2024 22:40 utc | 35 Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2024 0:36 utc | 43 meanwhile back at the genocide ranch Posted by: michaelj72 | May 13 2024 0:39 utc | 44 Just listened to a 40-minute address by Eric Cohen, CEO of Tikvah, an organization focusing on raising up Jewish young people to “love Israel,” “reform American universities,” “reform Western civilization.” Posted by: ChasMark | May 13 2024 1:06 utc | 45 Re: Israel’s borders Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 1:40 utc | 46 Re: 242 Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 1:47 utc | 47 Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 12 2024 23:12 utc | 37 Posted by: Suresh | May 13 2024 1:55 utc | 48 Lebanon is a very mixed country, Hezbollah is not a ruling government entity. There are understandings and tolerances, but having the whole country destabilised by acting in a way that brought on a response that affected the whole country is obviously not a small matter either. Posted by: laguerre | May 13 2024 2:04 utc | 49 Israel’s UN ambassador shredded his credibility. Posted by: Hankster | May 13 2024 3:14 utc | 50 Another quote from Manchurian Candidate RFK, Jr.
Posted by: librul | May 13 2024 4:08 utc | 51 psychohistorian 15 Posted by: Giyane | May 13 2024 4:30 utc | 52 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 13 2024 5:03 utc | 53 osted by: Hankster | May 13 2024 3:14 utc | 50 Posted by: JAB | May 13 2024 6:24 utc | 54 Appears the 2 units attacking Rafeh are: Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 7:03 utc | 55 Posted by: Archetypex | May 12 2024 23:26 utc | 39 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 13 2024 7:16 utc | 56 Posted by: librul | May 13 2024 4:08 utc | 51 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 13 2024 7:35 utc | 57 Arnaud Bertrand Posted by: Menz | May 13 2024 8:16 utc | 58 Angelo Giuliano 🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻 安德龙 Posted by: Menz | May 13 2024 8:38 utc | 59 Psychopaths INC. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 13 2024 9:10 utc | 60 scorpion | May 12 2024 23:43 utc | 41 Posted by: john | May 13 2024 9:23 utc | 61 ….. “When we were faced with destruction as a nation after Pearl Harbor, fighting the Germans and the Japanese, we decided to end the war by bombing Hiroshima, Nagasaki, with nuclear weapons,” Graham stated. Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 10:10 utc | 62 michaelj72 | May 13 2024 0:39 utc | 44 Posted by: john | May 13 2024 10:21 utc | 63 Egypt announced on Sunday that it would join South Africa’s case before the International Court of Justice causing Israel of committing genocide in Gaza. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 13 2024 10:54 utc | 64 Judaism will only be safe once it is detached from its fascist Nazi Zionist Anglo European imperialist mask – a mass murdering mask – and that WILL happen. It is happening. Even as they try to divert the attention to scapegoat student protests from the actual derision of every human being in all the streets of the world. There was even booing at that ridiculous satanic fest ‘Eurovision’ modern choreographed Nuremberg rally event! Posted by: DunGroanin | May 13 2024 11:06 utc | 65 Southern Front SITREP Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 11:47 utc | 66 Judaism will only be safe once it is detached from its fascist Nazi Zionist Anglo European imperialist mask. Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 13 2024 12:00 utc | 67 Egypt announced on Sunday that it would join South Africa’s case before the International Court of Justice causing Israel of committing genocide in Gaza. Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2024 12:27 utc | 68 How many of the 78,000 injured are going to die? Have we already passed 100,000? Why isnt al jazeera reporting on this? what happened to the covid statisticians frenzy? Posted by: Minaa | May 13 2024 12:56 utc | 69 “Biden’s re-election campaign is struggling…” Exile@63….do you really think there will be war crime trials for Palestinians throwing rocks at tanks? Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 13 2024 13:20 utc | 71 Might already have been posted. If not we know b, can’t write about it but the great Craig Murray can and does. A powerful read , that shows the fascist Le of Europe stopping entry to a surgeon from Scotland who has first hand experience of the genocide in Gaza. France and Holland stopping him entering too – so much for the ‘freedoms’ of the EU they only apply if you are a supporter of the ziofascist entity and it’s imperialist dogs. Posted by: DunGroanin | May 13 2024 13:46 utc | 72 Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 10:10 utc | 63 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 13 2024 13:48 utc | 73 Exile@63….do you really think there will be war crime trials for Palestinians throwing rocks at tanks? Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2024 13:53 utc | 74 Alistair Crooke really laid out the resistance strategy moments ago with Judge Nap. Of interest to some here, he brought up Netanyahu and Obama. Highly recommended viewing. Posted by: morongobill | May 13 2024 14:02 utc | 75 @Laguerre 49 Posted by: Ornot | May 13 2024 14:39 utc | 76 now Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | May 13 2024 14:46 utc | 77 RE: “The rhetoric is incredible put of the USA. John McCain and Joe Lieberman would be so proud of Lindsay. But never forget, what goes around, comes around.” Posted by: Trubind1 | May 13 2024 15:03 utc | 78 Posted by: JAB | May 13 2024 15:11 utc | 79 Spreading democracy wherever they go. Posted by: JAB | May 13 2024 15:13 utc | 80 That’s the understatement of the century. Posted by: Urban Fox | May 13 2024 15:14 utc | 81 What would Netanyahu do without Hamas? I mean Hamas “leadership” which is safely ensconced in Qatar.
Posted by: Laura Roslin | May 13 2024 15:20 utc | 82 Key quotes from the Guardian Article linked above: Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 15:22 utc | 83 All of this has me thinking about farcical US electoral politics. Biden has likely lost any youth vote in swing states. All Trump had to do to ensure an initially controversy free win in November was tone down or just shut up about Israel but he doubled and then tripled down with pro Zionist rhetoric. So he can probably forget about any switch up younger voters this time too. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 13 2024 15:31 utc | 84 One easy way to help the youth encampment’s, Is to provide healthy food. Organize dinners 1 time a week. Be with them at rally’s. Do not give to Your university and tell them why. My other half just told MIT divest and we will talk. We are also talking about doing the same with our Basketball tickets. At our university the one and only way you could get them to divest would be if the community and state ticket holders in mass said no season tickets till you divest! I do not feel I can do much but it felt so good when my other half sent that note! It also made me feel good when we brought a passive amount of Pizza to our encampment, unfortunately I cannot afford to do that again but organize with some other old farts of mine to bring food 1 time a week is my next goal. Posted by: Susan | May 13 2024 15:43 utc | 85 chris hedges report in my mailbox today.. he tells it how it is.. Posted by: james | May 13 2024 16:04 utc | 86 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 13 2024 15:i03 utc | 79 Posted by: laguerre | May 13 2024 16:24 utc | 87 @Susan | May 13 2024 15:43 utc Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 13 2024 16:33 utc | 88 Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 12 2024 23:12 utc | 37 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 13 2024 16:39 utc | 89 Francescans in the Holy Land Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | May 13 2024 17:02 utc | 90 Sayyed Nasrallah to Israelis: To return North, end war on Gaza 89. Posted by: Susan | May 13 2024 17:46 utc | 92 I’m wondering if, after the failed pre-Rafah-invasion ceasefire attempt, Biden is now boxed in like he is in Ukraine. Can’t have Israel lose and look like it is his fault, can’t put boots on the ground, has to keep an unwinnable war going until November while pretending to care. Posted by: Sarah K | May 13 2024 18:17 utc | 93
Perhaps. They have soul sickness from the crushingly depraved actions they have participated in. Somewhere in each now festers a deep shame at their cowardice and inhumanity. These monsters can bluster but you can only shoot so many children before it changes you. There simply aren’t enough active duty psychopaths, even in the IDF, the army of war criminals. Any military unit assigned to police duty has its combat ability degraded by this kind of corruption. Meanwhile they fight those protecting their people, elders, children – to their dying breath. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 13 2024 18:26 utc | 94 Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 15:22 utc | 84 Posted by: Arganthonios | May 13 2024 18:45 utc | 95 @ Doctor Eleven | May 13 2024 18:26 utc | 95 Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2024 18:47 utc | 96 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 13 2024 18:26 utc | 95 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 13 2024 19:00 utc | 97 Northern Front SitRep Posted by: Exile | May 13 2024 19:11 utc | 98 “Upward of 20 American doctors are trapped at the European Hospital in Gaza, facing extreme dehydration, at least one is on an IV drip. This is a developing situation…” https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-800772 |
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