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May 4, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-127
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” Using the casualties of the war we have to promote starting earlier and thus having more casualties, and strategic defeat, is just stupid. To answer your idiotic question directly: It says the Russian planners knew what they were doing and avoided a catastrophic trap.
Posted by: Honzo | May 5 2024 0:38 utc | 99 ”
Are you OK ? I’m talking about 2022 and you’re going on about events 2014 for some odd reason. So let me state again, there is no way this SMO was planned, and prepared for, over a 8 year time span as the implications would be very concerning.
PS: watch the personal attacks hombre.
Posted by: Moonie | May 5 2024 1:14 utc | 101
No positive progress in Gaza truce talks: Hamas source
No positive progress has been made in the Gaza truce talks on Saturday, a source from the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) said.
The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told Xinhua that the negotiations encountered challenges due to Israel’s insistence on not committing to a (permanent) ceasefire.
Posted by: Bemildred | May 5 2024 1:16 utc | 102
“Why not Russia as its ” friendly” with Israel, the Palestinians, and Iran among others ?”
Posted by: Moonie | May 4 2024 22:48 utc | 75
Russia couldn’t even meddle to protect CSTO member, Armenia, against the attacks by Azerbaijan and NATO member Turkey.
Not only Artsakh was lost and Armenian had to leave or be cleansed, but also some 215 sq.km of Armenian territory has been occupied by Azerbaijani since 2020.
https://www.civilnet.am/en/news/697545/azerbaijan-has-occupied-at-least-215-square-kilometers-of-armenian-territory-since-2020/
I hate to say this but some of you guys are living in another reality.
Posted by: Framarz | May 5 2024 1:18 utc | 103
Meanwhile, remember Pepe’s EMP nuke story? This matters to me, because I’m having a hard time ascertaining whether to put any stock in what Pepe says, going forward — as it looks to me like he’s been indirectly used by IOF intelligence, set up by a dodgy source.
RSH and I don’t see eye to eye on this one, as my bullshit detector has been flashing bright red from the outset of this story. But at least he’s following up with further information about where Pepe stands on it now. I appreciate RSH’s substack for that…
https://richardstevenhack.substack.com/p/pepe-escobar-clarifies-his-israeli
Incidentally, I don’t want to work b too hard while recovering… at some point (please allow me to humbly suggest) I’d dearly love to see his take on this important story, which unfolded in b’s absence.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 5 2024 1:45 utc | 104
North Korean weapons are killing Ukrainians
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68933778
But American, British, French and German weapons are giving life to Palestinians
Lets do a Houthi chant God Is Great, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews(zionist), Victory to Islam
Posted by: Waqas | May 5 2024 1:58 utc | 105
Say, whatever happened to Pepe’s f35 tail. Did everybody forget about it?
Is the absence of evidence, evidence of absence?
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 5 2024 2:07 utc | 106
Say, whatever happened to Pepe’s f35 tail. Did everybody forget about it?
Is the absence of evidence, evidence of absence?
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 5 2024 2:07 utc | 106
I’m with Aleph@104, it reeks of disinfo, but I cannot come to any conclusion as to what it was about. I tend to think somebody was sending a message, what that message might have been, no ideas. And as you say no further information, no clues, no way to tidy it up, no reason why nobody wants to talk about it. So I’m not inclined to talk about it either. Weird.
Posted by: Bemildred | May 5 2024 2:28 utc | 107
” I hate to say this but some of you guys are living in another reality.
Posted by: Framarz | May 5 2024 1:18 utc | 103 ”
That was a “tongue in cheek” statement on my part, in case anyone is confused. We all know its always the US that’s involved in “negotiations” about Palestine not Russia nor China. I assume its because they’re not neutral parties like the US is. ROFL
Posted by: Moonie | May 5 2024 2:32 utc | 108
Bottom line here has to be:
– Permanent cease fire – needs to take effect immediately….BEFORE the POW’s from both sides are released
– Palestinian who lose all leverage if the POW’s were release WITHOUT a permanent ceasefire.
– Palestinians should make no promises about war crimes trials and processes……..no get out of jail card for Bibi…
– Israel need to be required to totally withdraw from Gaza, allow Port Gaza to be opened, and end the naval blockade and killing of Palestinian fishermen
– Israel needs to allow unrestricted numbers of food trucks, food aid and international food and medical volunteers to enter Gaza
– All Palestinian war refugees need to be allowed to return to their homes immediately
– Israel needs to compensate Gaza for the destruction of all municipal water and sewer infrastructure
– Israel needs to turn over to the ICC all those who enabled the Lavender AI program to kill tens of thousands of civilians..and for the destruction of thousands of home and apartments and the bombing of Mosques and Churches.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | May 5 2024 2:35 utc | 109
As conditions for the peace plan :
1. Hamas should be allowed to kill an equivalent number of Israelis, and
2. Palestinians who have lost their homes and institutions should be given Israeli homes n institutions, and those Israelis can all go live in the rubble in Gaza.
Posted by: Featherless | May 5 2024 2:42 utc | 110
Russia couldn’t even meddle to protect CSTO member, Armenia, against the attacks by Azerbaijan and NATO member Turkey.
Not only Artsakh was lost and Armenian had to leave or be cleansed, but also some 215 sq.km of Armenian territory has been occupied by Azerbaijani since 2020.
https://www.civilnet.am/en/news/697545/azerbaijan-has-occupied-at-least-215-square-kilometers-of-armenian-territory-since-2020/
I hate to say this but some of you guys are living in another reality.
Posted by: Framarz | May 5 2024 1:18 utc | 103
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I suppose the fact that the Russian relationship with Azerbaijan is multi-faceted and Armenia’s Prime Minister is a Soros guy. Is just going to go unremarked them?
Why should Russia involve itself in every Caucasian squabble against its own interest, particularly for a disloyal “ally”?
Posted by: Urban Fox | May 5 2024 2:46 utc | 111
something today from Caitlan Johnstone in australia:
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2024/05/04/israels-defenders-talk-so-much-about-feelings-because-they-cant-talk-about-facts/
Israel’s Defenders Talk So Much About Feelings Because They Can’t Talk About Facts
Their position is so gross and indefensible that all they have left is babbling about some select people having upset feelings and holding those feelings as more important than stopping an active genocide.
“….Israel is the only issue where the western political-media class treats people’s feelings as a matter of supreme importance.
If you’re a stressed-out single parent struggling to pay bills and keep a roof over your kids’ head, they don’t care about your feelings.
If you’re an American who’s been cast into destitution and homelessness by medical bills, they don’t care about your feelings.
If you’re a Palestinian whose apartment complex was bombed with your entire family inside, they definitely don’t care about your feelings.
But if you’re a western Zionist who doesn’t like the cognitive dissonance that comes with encountering anti-genocide protesters, or even if you’re an Israeli who’s upset about anti-genocide protests in whole other country on the other side of the planet, they’re very, very interested in your feelings.
This is of course because the west’s unconditional support for Israel cannot be defended through facts, so the narrative control needs to focus instead on one nonstop appeal to emotion fallacy……”
Posted by: michaelj72 | May 5 2024 2:48 utc | 112