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May 4, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-127
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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“Israel has a right to defend itself” Posted by: librul | May 4 2024 15:32 utc | 1 https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1786670070900441291 Posted by: KitaySupporter | May 4 2024 15:32 utc | 2 Posted by: KitaySupporter | May 4 2024 15:32 utc | 2 Posted by: Roberto | May 4 2024 15:38 utc | 3 Here is from an hour ago.
Posted by: librul | May 4 2024 15:40 utc | 4 @Posted by: Roberto | May 4 2024 15:38 utc | 3 Posted by: librul | May 4 2024 15:50 utc | 5 a must read article by Andrew Anglin -The Unz Review Posted by: snake | May 4 2024 16:02 utc | 6 Nietzsche argued that Western culture must face and transcend in the wake of the irreparable dissolution of its traditional foundations, moored largely in classical Greek philosophy and Christianity. Posted by: phenon | May 4 2024 16:25 utc | 7 phenon@7…. philosophy and religion….a truce….for one day….please. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 4 2024 16:30 utc | 8 My point is Sean there has been a deliberate plan to destroy us. Posted by: phenon | May 4 2024 16:37 utc | 9 re: ceasefire negotiations Posted by: jayc | May 4 2024 16:55 utc | 10 One upbeat note; Those College students that get expelled can now go to Iran or Yemen and get a FREE education. Thinking of the incredible cost of US college educations and the debt overload that can never be paid off – this is actually one reason to get expelled. Iran could be fun in spite of negative publicity. This infers the disaster of the past seven months was somehow “acceptable”. Posted by: Jonathan W | May 4 2024 17:15 utc | 12 Worth a second watch: How British MSM – BBC assisted the Zionist Lobby Posted by: Framarz | May 4 2024 17:31 utc | 13 Posted by: KitaySupporter | May 4 2024 15:32 utc | 2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ISRAEL PROMISES … BACKED -UP BY THE USA !!! And HAMAS WILL FALL FOR THIS???? REALLY? Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | May 4 2024 17:45 utc | 14 Northern Gaza now in a state of famine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 4 2024 17:52 utc | 15 Barflies will want to read this “Delivering a ‘True Promise’: an insider account of Iran’s strikes on Israel: Posted by: KitaySupporter | May 4 2024 15:32 utc | 2 Posted by: JB | May 4 2024 17:56 utc | 17 The French and German authorities don’t want this man talking about Gaza in their countries, the EU’s two big hitters France and Germany are trying to shut down any conversation on the Zionists genocide in Gaza. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 4 2024 18:03 utc | 18 Do everything in your power to push jewish voices out of the “Pro Palestine” space. Posted by: ryanggg | May 4 2024 18:05 utc | 19 Michael Kemper, a NYPD’s chief of transit, said protesters had weapons including knives and hammers as well as pamphlets with “Death to America!” written on them. “For those romanticizing the protests occurring on college campuses, ‘Death to America!’ is one sentiment that runs counter to what we believe in, what we stand for, and what many have fought for on behalf of this country,” Kemper said. Posted by: Jonathan W | May 4 2024 18:11 utc | 20 Posted by: ryanggg | May 4 2024 18:05 utc | 19 Posted by: JAB | May 4 2024 18:12 utc | 21 Yes JAB that is correct and Nietzsche who is a German philosopher of that time was fondly referred to both by Nazis and Zionists Posted by: phenon | May 4 2024 18:24 utc | 22 Ref Northern Gaza famine Posted by: Minaa | May 4 2024 18:25 utc | 23 Labour has won the local elections in England today. Posted by: Paul from Norway | May 4 2024 18:26 utc | 24 @ karlof1 | May 4 2024 17:55 utc | 16 with the link to The Cradle article about Iran’s True Promise event….thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | May 4 2024 18:41 utc | 25 Remember the Minsk Accords. Posted by: Honzo | May 4 2024 18:45 utc | 26 Whether the calls to divest will be successful or not, at least they are a “thing” as soon as they appear in the Financial Times, which they just did: Posted by: Jonathan W | May 4 2024 18:58 utc | 27 Andrew Anglin is a Nazi. Why are we entertaining the writings of a Nazi here? C’mon. Posted by: CrazyTrain | May 4 2024 19:03 utc | 28 Barflies will want to read this “Delivering a ‘True Promise’: an insider account of Iran’s strikes on Israel: Posted by: Honzo | May 4 2024 19:09 utc | 29 @crazytrain Posted by: Featherless | May 4 2024 19:10 utc | 30 SBUX stock has dropped about 17% this week, most of the drop the day ot released earnings. It greatly missed estimates both revenue and earnings. A brief mention of “overseas losses stemming from the current political climate” is drowned out in a wave pf guesses as to why sales are down. Posted by: UWDude | May 4 2024 19:14 utc | 31 “The Cradle presents an exclusive insider‘s narrative provided by Iranian Member of Parliament Mahmoud Nabavian, a principalist who won the most votes in Tehran during the country’s March elections.” Posted by: Bemildred | May 4 2024 19:23 utc | 32 Posted by: JB | May 4 2024 17:56 utc | 17 Posted by: AI | May 4 2024 19:27 utc | 33 Middle East Eye reports: Posted by: Exile | May 4 2024 19:34 utc | 34 The next divestment stage is not to divest from companies but from individuals and their kin. Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 4 2024 19:36 utc | 35 ” Michael Kemper, a NYPD’s chief of transit, said protesters had weapons including knives and hammers as well as pamphlets with “Death to America!” written on them. “For those romanticizing the protests occurring on college campuses, ‘Death to America!’ is one sentiment that runs counter to what we believe in, what we stand for, and what many have fought for on behalf of this country,” Kemper said. Posted by: Moonie | May 4 2024 19:39 utc | 36 ” In other news, I see a lot of attempts to coerce Hamas into agreeing to what is being offered in Cairo, nothing yet that suggests they will actually take it. Posted by: Moonie | May 4 2024 19:42 utc | 37 ” Not at all. Eight years leading to Russian victory in the inevitable hot war. Eight years of preparation, organization and training. Eight years of diplomacy and trade agreement and building the path to de-dollarization. Eight years of effectively neutralizing the fifth column. Eight years of establishing a reputation for straight dealing in the RoW. Posted by: Moonie | May 4 2024 19:50 utc | 38 Josep Borrell: I see [that] the international system, that we were accustomed to after the Cold War, no longer exists. America has lost its status of a hegemon. And the post-1945 multilateral [world] order is losing ground. Posted by: Framarz | May 4 2024 19:51 utc | 39 As I understand it Hamas is expecting guarentees from the U.S.. So, it all comes down to Biden. Is Biden going to finally side with God and Humanity, or willl he continue to be the Devil’s escort? Will he remain Genocide Joe foreever? I bet his rosery is burning him everytime he touches it right now…. Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | May 4 2024 19:53 utc | 40 ” On the other hand, you could be an Israeli plant to get everyone to believe that Judaism = Zionism. Either way. Just stop. Posted by: Moonie | May 4 2024 19:56 utc | 41 Thanks for the replies related to The Cradle article. Recall Iran’s military announced it was satisfied and pleased with the results of its attack. Also we have the video evidence presented by Ted Postal is his report showing many more “leakers” than confessed to by the ZioWest. The “lame” attempt at retaliation–whether or not in included a nuke–and the cowed appearance of the Zionists over the last weeks of April also sends a message. Some will recall PavewayIV’s recent comment about the quite possible Egyptian response to a massive invasion of Rafah, which he certainly didn’t weave himself, and now Netanyahu’s announced offensive in the North, all tell us things about the Zionist’s political turmoil. #Israel is in a weak position. The Palestinian resistance has the upper hand in the negotiation and can impose conditions, regardless of the Egyptian and the #US pressure. Posted by: Framarz | May 4 2024 20:23 utc | 43 Elsewhere, there’s zero news about any deal being agreed, while there’s news that Netanyahu would see any long term ceasefire in Gaza as defeat. And lastly, “Renowned British-Palestinian surgeon denied entry into France” this item provides further proof of EU complicity in the Genocide. Posted by: Bemildred | May 4 2024 20:23 utc | 44 Moonie @ all of the above. Posted by: Mark2 | May 4 2024 20:37 utc | 45 Posted by: KitaySupporter | May 4 2024 15:32 utc | 2 Posted by: Victor G. | May 4 2024 20:41 utc | 46 I completely repudiate Nazism and fascism in general, having said that I was thinking about the Third Reich’s concept of Jüdische Physik, vs. Arische Physik, i.e. the scurrilously named ‘Jewish’ physics vs. the equally preposterously named Aryan physics. As we all know physics played an unquestionably highly significant, albeit horrendously violent, role towards the end of WWII. However what happens when that particular historical physics mutates into what has for some time been known as quantum physics, and the physical implications therein enfolded? Isn’t it possible that a new sort of fascist nihilism can surge forth, by the lights of some, must surge forth from such a physics, in the form of a solipsistic supremacism that holds that some minds are gifted with a sort of cosmic or metaphysical supremacy over other minds, and wherein those who parasitize off such views are not necessarily the often times Nobel Prize winning scientists per se, but the military echelon and oligarchs who have mixed IQ realism, with neo-eugenics, quantum physics and AI? Of course, I have in mind a certain small country that is particularly, perhaps one might even say notoriously, invested in all these subjects. Posted by: Ludo | May 4 2024 20:50 utc | 48 Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | May 4 2024 19:53 utc | 40 Posted by: badjoke | May 4 2024 21:17 utc | 49 @Featherless Posted by: CrazyTrain | May 4 2024 21:18 utc | 50 @Moonie Posted by: CrazyTrain | May 4 2024 21:22 utc | 51 IMO, Pepe Escobar’s latest while global in scope concentrates on the Palestine situation, “The Russia–Iran–China search for a new global security order”, as he closes with this:
As I wrote in my May 2 substack, as unlikely as it appears and regardless the great consternation held by Barflies over it, the Two-State Solution remains the only legally viable game in town the Global Majority agrees with, crucially including Russia and China. Ukraine has shown NATO to be an empty shirt and would be incapable of applying force to the Zionists even if it that was desired. That leaves it to Russia and China to do the enforcing. (Yes, Iran would like to join but IMO it’s best if it just continues to manage the resistance Arc.) Thanks crazy train the bigots are out in force today. Sadly Posted by: Susan | May 4 2024 21:30 utc | 53 Oh that’s rich, “Anglin isn’t a Nazi, that’s disinformation. he’s a satirist.” Posted by: Urban Fox | May 4 2024 21:34 utc | 54 @Crazytrain – LMAO SPLC eh ? Might as well be the ADL or AIPAC. SPLC opens their article with “ – the latest terror attack inspired by a global white nationalist movement inspired by the idea that “elites” in Western countries are working to “replace” white people with immigrants and other people of color.” What a trope eh ? Posted by: Featherless | May 4 2024 21:36 utc | 55 phenon Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | May 4 2024 21:41 utc | 56 @Crazytrain – I imagine you agree with the verdict and fine (how many BILLION dollars ?) against Alex Jones too ? For the crime of saying the wrong things ? That fine WAY exceeds any court payout for crimes like wrongful death, n truly grave torts. I guess wrong speech is just way way worse than those truly grievous (and consequential) crimes. Posted by: Featherless | May 4 2024 21:41 utc | 57 This ceasefire offer by israel is a trap and heres how it works…. Posted by: Mark2 | May 4 2024 21:44 utc | 58 That 95% figure has an interesting history. It was put forward by Bari Weiss in her 2020 essay based on a sample of 128 respondents. A Jewish critique of the same is here: Posted by: Jonathan W | May 4 2024 21:52 utc | 59 All I know is Iran met in Gambia with Egypt to discuss “deal” and I saw a recent interview where Hamas spokesperson stated there were still “issues” Posted by: Trubind1 | May 4 2024 21:57 utc | 60 https://dailystormer.in/israeli-jews-whine-about-us-college-students-we-didnt-know-so-many-people-hated-israel/ Posted by: Featherless | May 4 2024 21:58 utc | 61 Ludo Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | May 4 2024 22:02 utc | 62 Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2024 20:01 utc | 42 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 4 2024 22:02 utc | 63 Maybe Hamas and the resistence should send a whole bunch of negotiators to tele aviv. Posted by: Mark2 | May 4 2024 22:07 utc | 64 Netinyahoo says Rafa next. Posted by: Mark2 | May 4 2024 22:11 utc | 65 Ceasefire or no ceasefire? What is the difference? 3 days ago CBS reported: Posted by: Jonathan W | May 4 2024 22:15 utc | 66 RE: Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2024 20:01 utc | 42 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 4 2024 22:22 utc | 67 Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2024 17:55 utc | 16 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 4 2024 22:27 utc | 68
Can you call bullshit on this? Posted by: librul | May 4 2024 22:36 utc | 69 Netanyahu chose Hamas. Netanyahu trained Islamic State in Jordan.Netanyahu supplied Israeli citizen Shimon Elliot to be Baghdadi, friend of John McCain and Brett McGurk. Posted by: Giyane | May 4 2024 22:38 utc | 70 Posted by: Moonie | May 4 2024 19:50 utc | 38Posted by: Moonie | May 4 2024 19:50 utc | 38 Posted by: Suresh | May 4 2024 22:42 utc | 72 Well, Ye Olde Shitstaine Ceasefire appears (from my seats way in the upper deck) to be on the rocks. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 4 2024 22:43 utc | 73 This is report is a week old denying the accusations of Biden. Posted by: phenon | May 4 2024 22:45 utc | 74 ” Frankly, Hamas should have asked Yemen Ansarallah to mediate & be a guarantor. Posted by: Moonie | May 4 2024 22:48 utc | 75 Speaking of Yemen. They’re gearing up for an air AND ground campaign. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 4 2024 23:06 utc | 76 Speaking of Yemen. They’re gearing up for an air AND ground campaign. Posted by: Urban Fox | May 4 2024 23:17 utc | 77 @Posted by: librul | May 4 2024 22:36 utc | 69 Posted by: librul | May 4 2024 23:21 utc | 78 Thanks for the further replies. I’ve combined the two Cradle pieces into one that includes further commentary and will be easier for readers to access, “Two Cradles: Escobar & Iranian MP Interview”. I hope/pray/trust Hamas will only “fall for it” in the same way they “fell” for the zionist LIHOP.
And neither the nazis nor the zionists understood what he wrote or what his ideal of an superior human being meant. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 4 2024 23:26 utc | 80 Ghost of Zanon | May 4 2024 22:43 utc | 73 Posted by: Hankster | May 4 2024 23:38 utc | 81 I don’t have anywhere else to post this and it may have value in underscoring the extent of the information war being waged on the western populace regarding the genocide taking place in Gaza. Posted by: simon crow | May 4 2024 23:41 utc | 82 Shame however is a potent tool against people who behave in an anti-social manner. Posted by: farm ecologist | May 4 2024 23:45 utc | 83 phenon | May 4 2024 22:45 utc | 74–
Present and historical Truth are on the Protesters side. Knowing the context and making it known is the best method, although not easily made into soundbites. Crooke’s opening sentence notes the real root of the problem within the Outlaw US Empire: “Why not Russia as its ” friendly” with Israel, the Palestinians, and Iran among others ?” Posted by: Trubind1 | May 4 2024 23:50 utc | 85 COMBATE |🇵🇷 Posted by: Menz | May 4 2024 23:53 utc | 86 What we always knew: Posted by: Menz | May 4 2024 23:54 utc | 87 Suppressed News. Posted by: Menz | May 4 2024 23:55 utc | 88 Sulaiman Ahmed Posted by: Menz | May 4 2024 23:56 utc | 89 Abier Posted by: Menz | May 4 2024 23:57 utc | 90 ” Hey dude, why do you leave out links to hard polling statistics on this claim “Why is it supported by 95% or more Jews on this planet ?” Posted by: Moonie | May 5 2024 0:04 utc | 91 “This punishment fills me with even greater pride than the world championship” Posted by: Trubind1 | May 5 2024 0:06 utc | 92 ” That 95% figure has an interesting history. It was put forward by Bari Weiss in her 2020 essay based on a sample of 128 respondents. A Jewish critique of the same is here: Posted by: Moonie | May 5 2024 0:08 utc | 93 Posted by: Hankster | May 4 2024 23:38 utc | 81 Posted by: JAB | May 5 2024 0:13 utc | 94 ” The Royal United Services Institute has just released a study on Russia’s “head scratching SMO”. Don’t feel bad not “getting it”, better intellects have failed miserably too or were very slow to catch on. Posted by: Moonie | May 5 2024 0:21 utc | 95 University of Michigan Grads walk out of their graduation ceremony en masse to protest the genocide Posted by: ld | May 5 2024 0:27 utc | 96 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 4 2024 23:06 utc | 76 Posted by: badjoke | May 5 2024 0:36 utc | 97 footage of the mass murder of bedridden patients in N Gaza Posted by: ld | May 5 2024 0:36 utc | 98 Posted by: Moonie | May 4 2024 19:50 utc | 38 Posted by: Honzo | May 5 2024 0:38 utc | 99
Since China and Russia were sitting on the fence during the genocide, didn’t boycott Zionist regime, didn’t forced aid delivery to Gaza by own military escort, didn’t sanction Zionist institutions within their borders, didn’t assist Yemen to enforce international law, didn’t defend Yemen against attacks from Western imperialists, IMO they should keep sitting on the fence and let Palestinian people and their friends in West Asia find a solution to the matter of Zionist Apartheid regime. Posted by: Framarz | May 5 2024 0:56 utc | 100 |
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