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May 1, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-126

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call it is not real is ra heil hell.
for as eustace mullins said explained on youtube
everything is z zio zion na zi only one party the nazi party
everything is legal fiction a colour color nothing valid

Posted by: todd | May 2 2024 12:22 utc | 201

https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/us-campus-chaos-a-new-oct-7-on-the
Excellent essay about the student protests by the red-pilled Jewish ex-liberal pundit Naomi Wolf who ties what is going on to the illegal immigration and predicts an upcoming Oct 7th event in the US. She thinks it will mainly remain in the campuses but I suspect, especially once the new Anti-Semitic Speech Bill is past in the near future, that it will spread to many different areas.
She does, IMO, correctly identify the main target in all this: the American people and culture itself which has been systematically taken down for some time now. It’s very hard to view and understand because it seems the same evil forces behind big global capitalism-corporatism etc. are the ones trying to tear the West down from within. A pickle.

[INTRO:]
Tent cities have been hurriedly constructed on college quadrangles (this was a methodology in the 1980s as well, when we protested investment in then-apartheid South Africa via campus “shantytowns”, as they were called then). Students are driven by a range of motivations — ranging from sincere idealism, as many from all backgrounds watch the bombardment and starvation of Gaza with horror; boredom — a generation which has grown up on its phone, finally has a battle, replete with heroes and villains, risk and tactics, exciting enough ‘IRL’ to compete with Mortal Kombat; and ignorance, as naive students who have no knowledge of the complexities of the agony of Israel/Palestine’s conflict, credulously mouth reductive, inflammatory slogans, including “We are Hamas”, “Intifada Now” and “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free.” Students more knowledgeable and compassionate could as easily call for a ceasefire; for peace talks; and for all sides to obey the international rules of war.
These protests are not solely organic. It is important at a time such as this to remember something that I have tried to warn the world since 2007, during the “Global War on Terror.” An event can be both real and orchestrated or hyped. A threat can be both real and exaggerated. People involved in an “action” or protest can be authentically moved by an issue, and also be pawns in the strategy of cynical infiltrators or agitators, working with guidance from much higher up, who are themselves directing activity on a very big chessboard. We, the US, at School for the Americas, train our own agitators to go undercover and influence and infiltrate University students overseas, to support our invisible, unstated foreign policy goals. Those who act without knowing that other forces are harnessing their efforts, are called, by the “intelligence community”, “unwitting assets.”
The New York Post has confirmed that many of the protest organizers are being paid by George Soros’ Open Society Institute. US Campaign for Palestinian Rights pays organizers and “fellows” fees ranging from nearly three thousand to over seven thousand dollars , in exchange for eight hours a week of activism to boost “revolution” in support of Palestine. The Rockefeller Brothers are also a source of funding for these campus agitators. Students are deep in debt to attend such colleges, and even TAs and graduate students often live on income that is below the poverty line. I would point out that Soros and the Rockefeller family could help Palestine and Israel reach a peaceful solution in many other more constructive ways than fomenting campus violence and instability, so clearly the campuses are pawns in a larger agenda, and the helpless civilians in Gaza caught in tragic world events — along with the targeted civilians in Israel — are simply collateral damage in a larger power play unrelated to their actual wellbeing.
The war waged on US college campuses today is ultimately not about Palestine or Israel at all. It is a war against America — and especially against America’s next generation…

Good piece, well worth reading the whole thing.

Posted by: scorpion | May 2 2024 12:54 utc | 202

Exile @ 175
Could you direct us to any of that network? Which independent media are you speaking of? Only independent media I know of is that supported by the geriatric crowd. A lot could exist and I would never know, so I can’t tell you this is all a fantasy. Just know that I can’t find a single thing

Posted by: oldhippie | May 2 2024 13:20 utc | 203

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 9:29 utc | 184
Canada: UVic, McGill, UBC
UK: Heard reports encampments are starting up in London and elsewhere.
It takes time to organize and agitator-proof an encampment. They are learning from other campuses.
Students have been organizing weekly protests downtown for seven months where I live in Canada. The encampments raise the profile of that solidarity and speak to each other, including messages of support to protesting students written on the walls of tents in Gaza.
I see this growing as it gives an outlet for grief/rage and crystallizes latent atomized solidarity. Universities are everywhere.

Posted by: Sarah K | May 2 2024 13:21 utc | 204

Thank you, Susan. 🙂 I am not of enough means to donate to legal funds. But it is a hopeful idea.
About Naomi Wolf… I think of the GrayZone commenting recently how much Naomi Klein and Naomi Wolf get conflated, yet are very different people. 😉 I almost did it again here with scorpion’s piece above about Wolf’s latest substack. Needless to say I disagree with Wolf’s scare tactics.
But even if it were true, all the more reason for getting the retired out of their homes and holding posters at street corner sidewalks. 🙂 You can’t fault an old retiree standing at an intersection holding a sign for drivers to read. Well, you could, but you’d be the unreasonable asshole in the exchange. =)
If we keep it only to college kids who are being scapegoated as “agents of Soros’ funding” then yes, they’ll bring the full force down on them and try to sweep it under the carpet. But once you get the elderly out, who WILL show up to vote religiously, then politicians get scared and simplistic deflection narratives like Wolf’s are exposed as empty in the public sphere.
Time to get the mobility scooter class out into the streets, time to scare the professional managerial class! 🙂
/cheep cheep

Posted by: titmouse | May 2 2024 13:25 utc | 205

The picture is mixed. This is frlm the Washington Post’s summary of what is happening:
At UCLA: Tensions are high a day after counterprotesters violently attacked the school’s pro-Palestinian encampment.
In Congress: The House passed a bill yesterday to expand the definition of antisemitism to include certain criticism of Israel. Critics say it violates the First Amendment.

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 13:27 utc | 206

scorpion @203
Read the Naomi Wolf piece. So badly written and confused it is quite unclear whose propaganda and talking points she is spreading.
I have met this author through mutual friends. She is just not that bright. Not capable of analysis. Any analysis.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 2 2024 13:34 utc | 207

Naomi Wolf is on some sort of psychedelic overdose. Has been for a while.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 2 2024 13:41 utc | 208

“These protests are not solely organic.”
LMFAO. As if literally any protest in history could meet that criterion. LMFAO
And the “counterprotests” full of Mossad looking types in their 30s and 40s? This country is owned by Zionists. Naomi Wolf is one of them.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 2 2024 13:42 utc | 209

“…Students more knowledgeable and compassionate could as easily call for a ceasefire; for peace talks; and for all sides to obey the international rules of war.
These protests are not solely organic…. ”
Shame on you, Scorpion! Wash your mouth out with soap! These students are knowledgeable and compassionate! These students know what they are doing and they are more organic than I am, me, who today will take a pink note and pin it on a bulletin board: Support the children of Gaza; support our own children! Decry violence against them! Love them!!

Posted by: juliania | May 2 2024 13:50 utc | 210

Posted by: oldhippie | May 2 2024 13:34 utc | 208
Agree it’s not impeccably written. But she is out on a cognitively dissonant limb having left much of her liberal tribe and frequently finding herself agreeing with people like Bannon and Trump. She is thinking and writing freestyle.
I think her point that such events feature both sincere and paid actors is accurate and important. The reports from NY Post and others that some of the agitators are paid by Soros and other usual suspect NGO’s are also probably true; if so, their purpose is not really about Palestinians but creating waves in the US body politic.
Do you disagree with any of that? Style matters, yes, but also quite a few basic points were made.
In any case, Wolf or no Wolf, have felt that the deliberate acceptance of so many thousands of known hard-core criminals and terrorists into the nation the past few years is deliberate; at some point in the near future we will learn why.

Posted by: scorpion | May 2 2024 13:50 utc | 211

scorpion @ 212
Will agree she raises interesting points. She has not digested a one of them. I am interested in a lot of that, if I make sense of any of it myself will let you know.
Please read carefully and note she is still believing a great deal of the October 7 psyop and is deeply loyal to Israel. She is from an old and powerful Jewish family.
Her piece reads like fear porn with a shotgun.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 2 2024 13:59 utc | 212

Posted by: titmouse | May 2 2024 13:25 utc | 206
Also, Naomi Klein has herself written about how she is confused with Naomi Klein in her book Doppelganger.
https://naomiklein.org/doppelganger/

Posted by: Sarah K | May 2 2024 14:11 utc | 213

Old Hippie,
TikTok is a good place to start
🙂

Posted by: Exile | May 2 2024 14:13 utc | 214

Catch it live and piping hot:
Pepe Escobar on Danny Haiphong’s show, live, explaining the nuke F-35 shootdown by Russian forces en route to Iran.
He flashes an email on the screen that he says is his source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMbcN74xG5E

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 2 2024 14:14 utc | 215

thanks Todd. I have Tragedy and Hope. That’s the one I find difficult to read because: No chapter heads. No index. No references. No bibliography. I haven’t had the time to create my own index so I can really study the book, although many people tout it. There is so much else to read. Yes, I’m a big fan of Mullins and have many of his books including the bio of Ezra Pound. (One of my life challenge bucket list items is to read the complete Cantos.) Yes Nial Fergusson is just a puff piece writer. Another disappointment has been Ron Chernow, who’s bios of Washington and Alex. Hamilton completely omit/gloss over the role of indigenous people in what is now called “America.” Chernow’s 738 page book on Hamilton has exactly three (3) sentences on indigenous people. Chernow does, however, detail Washington’s avarice…
Pretty disappointing. Fortunately there are mostly unsung heroes like Sutton, and Louis Henry Morgan who tried to tell the real story. And now we have the internet tubes!!! And MOA. It’s a wonderful thing. Ok maybe I’ll try again with Quiggley..

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | May 2 2024 14:14 utc | 216

Posted by: juliania | May 2 2024 13:50 utc | 211
“…Students more knowledgeable and compassionate could as easily call for a ceasefire; for peace talks; and for all sides to obey the international rules of war.
These protests are not solely organic…. ”
Shame on you, Scorpion! Wash your mouth out with soap! T

Ha ha ha! So I take it you reject her proposition that there can be both insincere and sincere elements in the mix? And that some of these elements are paid by political agitators like Soros and the Rockefeller Foundation? (Frankly, I just assume that as a given.)
And do you find this an unrelated co-incidence:
The House of Representatives passed the “Antisemitism Awareness Act” (H.R. 6090) on Wednesday….
Further, I think Naomi’s criticism of the protest contents is reasonable – indeed I voiced the same thought here a few days ago: why muddy the waters with unauthorized tent cities, taking over dining halls, making administrative demands which cannot easily be met (divesting of various investment portfolios etc.) rather than forcefully protesting the genocide in Gaza with substantive argument and speeches? How come so many people running round in masks or Palestinian head scarves most of whom are probably external agitators etc.?
It’s one thing to support the brave students protesting injustice as you clearly and rightly do, but it’s another to entirely ignore the manufactured context in which many of such events are unfolding, especially in these leading liberal institutions of higher learning run by dedicated Zionist-Jewish benefactors and administrators.
In any case, such things are always multi-layered.

[PREAMBLE to the Act:]
118TH CONGRESS
1ST SESSION H. R. 6090
To provide for the consideration of a definition of antisemitism set forth by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance for the enforcement of Federal antidiscrimination laws concerning education programs or activities, and for other purposes.

Says it all:
‘for the ENFORCEMENT of Federal antidiscrimination laws’
I humbly suggest, with unwashed mouth, that this Act is the well coordinated outcome of these partly manufactured events in Columbia University even though no doubt many of the participants are sincerely outraged by the cruel injustices being perpetrated in Gaza by a USG-supported tribal regime.
And of course there will be much more than this Act coming down the pike this summer. Stay tuned – but keep a fire extinguisher handy!

Posted by: scorpion | May 2 2024 14:19 utc | 217

to Lavrov’s dog. I was in Santiago Chile in 2019. My impression then and now is/was that what started as a mostly peaceful protest was co-opted by some one/some group to become increasingly violent. Entire cities blocks were burned down. University buildings were burned down. Just about every traffic light in a city of seven million was destroyed, with resulting chaos. The central metro station which was built of reinforced concrete was turned to rubble and did not reopen for years. Carabineros were literally set on fire with Malotov candles. Groups of thugs began to encircle ordinary people in their autos demanding money for passage. Grocery stores were looted until there was no food to be had. It seemed then and seems now that there must have been some outside planning to create so much damage. Yes, very likely there were a few policemen who responded with “excess force” but if you’re trying to protect lives and stop fires and you’ve just seen your partner burned to death, perhaps it is understandable, although not necessarily forgivable. One little detail which comes to mind is that this rioting started on 18 October; the Johns Hopkins “pandemic” conference organized by Gates, ZuckerF, et al was the 19th, and the Russians and Chinese were due in chile in October to sign some mining deals…which got cancelled. As they say “fishiness abounds.”

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | May 2 2024 14:34 utc | 218

re: Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | May 1 2024 23:44 utc | 143
Israel was effectively created by the British Empire with the Balfour Declaration.
It was envisioned as an Anglo imperial outpost in the Middle East comprised of Jewish settlers in order to keep the Arabs/Muslims under the gun–literally and figuratively.
America, as the spawn and successor state of the British Empire, supports Israel for the same purposes.
Moreover, Israel itself was founded as a European settler colonial state–just like America itself.
You could say that the Israelis are imitating what the America did in the nineteenth century with its Indian Wars and ethnic cleansing campaigns like the Trail of Tears.
The Gaza Genocide is Israel’s “Trail of Tears.”
So America, Britain, and Israel are in fact civilizational blood kin in their genocidal instincts.

Posted by: ak74 | May 2 2024 14:34 utc | 219

Israel’s National Security Council is raising the level of the travel alert to Malmo, Sweden where The European Song Contest will take place.

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 14:34 utc | 220

Exile @ 215
Is that like a zen koan?
Do you have a specific TikTok link? I have no trouble linking to tiktok when someone references/posts. The signin/login/download is a pure blank wall. And were I to accomplish that no idea where I would look. The 20somethings I do know are not tiktok people.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 2 2024 14:37 utc | 221

PS. I would like to say that one heart warming thing happened, which is that students on their own initiative placed themselves at intersections to direct traffic. Brave and sweet. Remarkably – once the roving groups of thugs disappeared, people showed respect and generosity to this wonderful bunch of volunteers. Go to the good.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | May 2 2024 14:37 utc | 222

How is that ICC indictment against Netanyahu et Co. coming along? You recall that they were “fearful” of it. I suspect the campus thing is designed to muddy that especially if, indeed, the protests have been infiltrated. Didn’t the US promise to fight it tooth and nail?

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 14:41 utc | 223

Posted by: scorpion | May 2 2024 12:54 utc | 203
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 2 2024 13:42 utc | 210
Posted by: oldhippie | May 2 2024 13:59 utc | 213
IMO, this anti-war, anti-genocide movement with youth is/was entirely Grassroots and organic. An emotional, ideological social media convergence of commonality that spurred action.
EVERY SINGLE special interest group is after co-opting the movement. The same thing happened with “Occupy Wall Street”, was also was organic response to the grand theft transfer of 2008. Everything from George Soro’s to Islamic Jihadists will be thrown in the smear attempts to divert attention from the core movement message.
Every device since 2001 to obstruct, smear, dismantle any form of “assembly”, relegating, and then creating new bills and laws to infringe on Right of Assembly and Freedom of Speech has been continually attacked since 2001 in a vicious and vitriol manner.
From the Occupy Wall Street, to the J-6ers, the “message” of challenging the “status-quo” in any real fashion will be met with brutal force, co-opted and result in the creation of new “laws” prohibiting and infringing on rights. Look how fast this ridiculous “antisemitism” legislation has already moved and passed the House.
Infringing First Amendment Right, not challenged so far by any of our “so-called” elected Representatives.
If this anti-genocide movement on campuses, and those students I have seen, appear very well informed and educated and focused on the results they would like to have implemented out of this. They recognize the futility of approaching “Congress”, and are going straight to the jugular– finances. There is no evidence of a complete capture or co-opting as yet, just a commonality of a bunch of young, educated, human-emotion filled people that got sick and tired of seeing a bunch dead babies and blown up buildings on their social feeds, and their own “congress” support of it day and night. Just my opinion, and our duty, if not joining arm, is to be on the phone and witting letters day and night to DC with harsh and stern expressions regarding “legislature” that any of these treasonous public place holders think they are going to “get away” with slipping through.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 2 2024 14:44 utc | 224

Sewing seeds of division
in this psychotic prison
They have built the walls
that wound our empty souls
that keep us in the dark
digging deeper in the hole
Sewing seeds of fear
as they push the ending near
selling death and war
prostitues that whore
all the weapons you will need
to make the children bleed.
Planting distractions
Inciting reactions
Diverting attention
from your murderous intention.
Undiscerning proles
don’t want to look too close
we all lick the bowl
of the truth we like the most
Let us fight amongst ourselves
who would cross the great divide
to listen to the enemy
on the ‘other’ side
Everybody knows
money rules the show
We pretend we have control
then choose the status quo
It’s insane and we’re to blame
which only proves the more we know
the more we stay the same.

Posted by: ld | May 2 2024 14:45 utc | 225

From the Naomi Wolf piece:
…most 19 year olds in the US can’t organize a bathroom cleaning or a grocery run on their own initiative
An organic US protest would peter out when Finals loom
Pedestrian logic, Naomi. We shall see….

Posted by: john | May 2 2024 14:54 utc | 226

Trubind1 | May 2 2024 14:44 utc | 225
you are 100% right
we must stand beside these young people doing their best and not be misdirected by some on here who wish to portray this incredible protest as a sham
division is NOT what we need.
If you cannot figure out what a just cause looks like I beg you to desist your distractions from the goal by dragging your arguments on and on and on
we get it
you can stop shitting on it all

Posted by: ld | May 2 2024 14:55 utc | 227

IMO, this anti-war, anti-genocide movement with youth is/was entirely Grassroots and organic. An emotional, ideological social media convergence of commonality that spurred action.
@ Trubind1 | May 2 2024 14:44 utc | 225

We might be living through the kind of weeks when decades happen. What we’re witnessing is absolutely historic. I can only recommend eyewash or spectacle detergent for those who can’t see it at this point. Angela Davis and Rashid Khalidi express solemn respect for the courage of young folks today.
This is the fourth huge anarchist revolt in my lifetime, catching like wildfire and spreading so quickly, even old resistance veterans are astonished. The previous three are like dress-rehearsals, compared to the revolutionary threat we see metastasizing out from Columbia University to UCLA today:
1) Seattle WTO protests: November to December 1999
2) Occupy Wall Street: late 2011
3) BLM George Floyd protests: starting immediately after May 25, 2020

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 2 2024 15:03 utc | 228

There **are** elements trying to control the message.
Protests **can** be shaped to the advantage of those/that being protested against.
What is the message? Stop the Genocide.
Anything else serves to dilute and drown out the message.
—-
Don’t let this one get by unchallenged: “Israel has a right to defend itself.”
Israel does not have a right to call Genocide defense.
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Have you not noticed? The Slur — antisemitism — is The most potent weapon the pro-Genocide camp has so far.
What does that tell you?
They have nothing.
They cannot argue in favor of Genocide. How can they?
The pro-Genocide crowd has to deflect from affirming that they are in fact pro-Genocide by
any means possible.
They have used antisemitism effectively and now they are trying “Marxists” and even protectors of the flag.
Next comes “violent agitators” and you know that this will be stepped up eventually to “terrorists”.
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Being against Genocide is NOT antisemitism except in the the most grotesque world of propaganda.
—-
The Slur — “antisemitism”.
The Slur — The Slur — is used to enable Genocide by intimidation and thus silencing.

Posted by: librul | May 2 2024 15:03 utc | 229

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | May 2 2024 14:14 utc | 217
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=E03AD76DA153B64D966FC245988E5052
Try this one, a 594 kb pdf with a TOC with hyperlinks. No doubt there are others on this same site.
(If you have a Reader like Okular you can make and save your own bookmarks though if you change OS’s frequently it is a pain to keep track of them.)
=================================================================
@oldhippie: As to Oct 7th, Naomi wrote:

By the same token, if you have chaos on American campuses, and students being locked into buildings, as at Hamilton Hall; if you have outside agitators and heightened emotions, and the disruption of the threat of police raids; if you have terrorists or terrorist-aligned infiltrators, and covered or masked faces — you have the national security setup for an Oct 7 type event, in America.

Seems fine to me, though the word ‘terrorist’ is questionable (mercenaries more likely). Doesn’t say what Oct 7th was one way or another. What it did was trigger the current blood bath in Gaza (which has had almost no reported additional casualties for three months for some reason). Something similar may be coming America’s way soon, though probably not with whole city blocks being bombed to bits. So I agree with the main thrust of her post, though clearly many here do not. Which of course is perfectly fine.
Statement by one of her commenters about the protests:

AlyM
You rightly compared these seemingly orchestrated campus protests with the Covid-19 pandemic and the way most nations were in lockstep with each other in regards to the vaccine mandates, restrictions and lockdowns, and the “official” narratives surrounding Covid. However, I see so many similarities between these protests and the BLM/Antifa “mostly peaceful” protests in 2020 which turned into violent riots and caused widespread destruction and mayhem in cities across America. My daughter attended a large University of California campus in the years leading up to 2020. She was there when they had the protests that turned violent over speakers invited to the campus by a conservative student groups. My daughter said she watched in horror and fear as masked protesters seemed to sweep in from outside the university and were different from the actual student protesters. The same thing with on the campus protests organized by BLM where she recognized and knew some of the participants but then suddenly the atmosphere changed when outsiders wearing scarfs over their faces as masks or balaclavas appeared and started smashing windows and igniting fires. It was clear it was all pre-planned and she said it was like watching a bizarre play in two acts. I think we are seeing the same thing again only using a different “cause”, and I can’t help but wonder if it grew organically out of the tragedy of October 7th or was this planned as part of a bigger, more insidious and deadly plot as you suggested.

In this aspect re the recent protests, methinks Naomi has it about right that there are both sincere protestors and paid agitators in the mix. One doesn’t have to agree with everything she says, of course; I never do with any writer.
===============================================================
Meanwhile, on my buddy’s site, a link to Naomi Klein opposing ‘the false idol of Zionism’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U75KcMUjMyI . Don’t agree with all she says either, but it’s an interesting voice in the mix. Not often do you hear prominent American liberal Jews denouncing Zionism. I take it as a good sign.
That said, I wonder if the news cycle, having moved on from Ukraine, will now move on from Gaza. Perhaps its lens will soon be on Western turmoil? Time will tell.

Posted by: scorpion | May 2 2024 15:07 utc | 230

Posted by: john | May 2 2024 14:54 utc | 227
The same “elitist” mindset that runs our Country. The disparaging statements of “youth” is the same as our DC elitists reflect and verbalize regarding foreign nations (their “inept”). The “minimizing” and “discarding of “consequences” i.e.
…”An organic US protest would peter out when Finals loom”…sure, the “protest” might “peter out”… but the experience and memory of baton’s, riot gear, forcible body harm/removal, forced relocation or arrest, tear gas, and “orders”… are NOT going to “peter out”…
Only Elitist have no thought or regard of action and consequences because they exist in an altered, imaginary, delusion.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 2 2024 15:10 utc | 231

Just to remind myself, the rich and powerful make money by hedging against failure. Soros and Sunak , Biden and Blair all make money out of insider knowledge, so it’s in their interests to influence events totally irrespective of the morality/ immorality issues.
In orher words infiltrators are working for themselves , not necessarily working in unison with the racism.of Ukrainian or Jewish Apartheid racism.
For example the people at the top of the Conservative Party who were demanding a Hard Brexit which would shock the British economy were also gambling hedging against the same failure that they were trying to create.
I bought a house from a Jewish charity at the top of the market in 2007 but the Jewish Charity was fully forewarned of the timing of the 2007/ 8 financial crash.
As a Thatcher survivor I can say that right-wing policy is to ” act fast and break everything “, in other words a psyops. In case we wonder why our governments support genocide, it is purely because their leverage on world events makes them rich.
F A B U L O U S L Y R I C H !

Posted by: Giyane | May 2 2024 15:25 utc | 232

Rothschild made a fortune buying in the panic that followed the Battle of Waterloo against Napoleon. But that’s not the whole story. The original quote is believed to be “Buy when there’s blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own.“

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 15:40 utc | 233

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 2 2024 15:03 utc | 229
“We might be living through the kind of weeks when decades happen. What we’re witnessing is absolutely historic. I can only recommend eyewash or spectacle detergent for those who can’t see it at this point.”
Agree. Once the musicians, poets/writers, and video gamer tech’s start showing up, then it is “fait accompli”… and I can die in peace. But there is a spark, we’ll see if it leads to flames, and see if the flames lead to our own Phoenix moment.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 2 2024 15:41 utc | 234

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For example if the Jewish lobby and oil lobby have incentivised the genocide of Palestinians by offering to reward politicians financially if they subsequently acquire the Gazan oil fields after the genocide, then those self-serving muppets will hold themselves to blame only for their greed, not for the genocide they vote for.
And the in-the-know billionaires who have billions to infiltrate campus protests, will blame themselves only for their acquisition of vast profits, not for the blood they have shed and terror they have caused.
Financial moguls and bent politicians are the scum of the earth.

Posted by: Giyane | May 2 2024 15:48 utc | 235

https://littoria.substack.com/p/americas-foes-discover-its-weakness
To the barfly who wrote this and supplied the link, thank you.
It goes into the ins and outs of Jewish influence in Russia along with Russian Jewish attitudes in Izzyland, also how the Chinese have woken up to the issue. Especially about the dynamic regarding Russia I found it very helpful, for I find myself often wondering what Putin’s view is on the issue – as do many of Putin’s ‘patriot’ critics.
Am increasingly getting the feeling that the multipolarists are resisting Jewish influence whilst at the same time having to work with it – a balancing act.
Chinese article about it:
https://news.cri.cn/20231102/9ca2a89a-7df2-1fb0-892f-b15b3b5268e6.html

Posted by: scorpion | May 2 2024 15:53 utc | 236

235 Trubind1
No , moral protest won’t ever influence the colonisers greed with its eyes on Gazan oilfields and ever onwards into other spoils of war on the way to the Pacific
The only thing that will stop this genocide is if Russia and China see that it’s directly in their interests to attack FUKUSIS. Which I personally think it is. They’re next on the FUKUSHIT menu. Palestine is hors d’oevre

Posted by: Giyane | May 2 2024 16:02 utc | 237

For anyone interested, it would be helpful to me to have some input to:
Here is a 4-5 min. short from Middle Nation, whereby he runs down, very succinctly the entire scope and players, including China meeting, regarding “cease-fire” “peace”
on the table. He ends with making the claim that U.S. has been basically “marginalized” they have “no say” in the end. So, I just digested the info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D973swliIQ
Then I see this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dus0FFk9dtQ
A report indicating “Hamas” Head-Sinwar, suggestion he would “move” to Jordan.
I swear, this seems to me, like a direct threat to the King of Jordan to take over Jordan.
There has been some sea change somewhere, where I do believe Middle Nation may indeed be correct. “The U.S. has no cards to play”…
Perhaps all that Blinken/China threat wasn’t about “Russia”? But the ME?

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 2 2024 16:04 utc | 238

Posted by: Menz | May 2 2024 10:05 utc | 188
I was going to share the link about mercenaries in Israel, but FB won’t let me.

Posted by: JAB | May 2 2024 16:06 utc | 239

AL-JAZEERA: Dozens of Haredim blocked a main road near Tel Aviv in protest against the law on conscripting them into the army.
HEZBOLLAH: We targeted with artillery shells the Israeli site of Zibdin in the occupied Lebanese Shebaa Farms.
ISRAELI ARMY: Yesterday, we monitored the firing of shells from the central Gaza Strip.
ISLAMIC RESISTANCE IN IRAQ: The Islamic Resistance in Iraq announced an attack on a “vital target” using drones in the occupied Golan and Eilat, southern Israel.
YEDIOTH AHRONOTH: The army demobilized reserve forces that were to participate in the Rafah operation.
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Comment – the last item is fascinating. The 2 brigades of weekend warriors were sent into Gaza to relive the battered Nahal brigade. They were subject to a significant ambush last week. Reports also of 30 of these weekend warriors refusing duty.

Posted by: Exile | May 2 2024 16:34 utc | 240

Breaking news: University of Toronto students set up pro-Palestinian encampment protest.

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 16:35 utc | 241

@ librul | May 2 2024 15:03 utc | 230
You are absolutely right to point out that the Zionist pro-genocide side has nothing, no argument at all. After all their special pleading arguments of the past, now they have nothing to say in support of a policy of just mass murder. All they can do is accuse those opposing the genocide of various things, using all the buzzwords in their arsenal.
They should not be permitted to get away with this, and all of those buzzwords should be thrown back in their faces as rather applying to them, the Zionists.
First, antisemitism, which here we will define as hatred of and animosity toward Jews and Judaism. The truth is, Zionism is the biggest and most antisemitic ideology in the world today, filled with Jew-hatred and enmity toward the Jewish religion. Early Zionists accepted the antisemitic analysis of who the Jews were, claiming that they were an alien body who could not live among other people. Earlier Zionism was strongly supported by British and other western antisemites, such as Lord Balfour, who wanted to remove the Jews from their midst. Once the Zionist nationalist substitute for Judaism was under way, the task was to hector those diaspora Jews into supporting it by whatever means, and what better than to threaten them with antisemitic outbreaks to get them moving to the Zionist yishuv in Palestine. Hence Zionism’s constant alliances with antisemites in other places, including the Svoboda Party in Ukraine. Today, Zionists crave and hope for anti-Jewish outbursts; indeed, they are deliberately trying to provoke these. So the slogan that should be used at the Zionists is: You are the antisemites, the US Congress majority is antisemitic, you are the ones striving after the destruction of Judaism. The Zionist movement is filled with hatred of genuine Jewish practice, and their animosity toward their Jewish opponents is not less than that against the gentiles. Those Zionists who pretend to be religious cannot serve both nationalism and God; if they are state-worshipping nationalists, as is generally the case, then they are idolators, having set the state on God’s throne.
The next label they use is terrorist, and it is quite obvious that in committing genocide, the Zionists are committing terrorism by any definition. But the MSM completely avoids labeling it so, as the US, Israel, and other states want to define terrorism as political violence done by other than the state. Yet state terrorism is far more widespread and pervasive than non-state terrorism, and Israel is clearly at the top of the list in perpetrating that. Why, they even propose to invade all other countries to attack their enemies, as happened at UCLA. That is certainly something made in Israel, regardless of whether its exact perpetrators were US citizens or Israelis or more likely dual nationals.
I think, though, that the cat is out of the bag, and even if the US gentile population remains largely cowed, the young anti-Zionist Jews are the vanguard of the protests, and this is likely to lead to a huge schism in Judaism between those who really want to follow the religion and those who worship the material and conceptual idol called the State of Israel.

Posted by: Cabe | May 2 2024 16:51 utc | 242

Turkey will halt all trade relations with Israel.
Source: Bloomberg

Posted by: NoName | May 2 2024 17:02 utc | 243

Naomi Wolf’s piece reeks of hysteria. Her claim about “outside agitators” in the form of Ms. Nahla Al-Arian (age 63) has been discredited both by The Guardian:

New York’s mayor, Eric Adams, drew criticism for blaming “outside agitators” on Wednesday for leading the demonstrations and repeatedly citing the presence of a woman on Columbia’s campus whose husband Adams claimed had been “convicted for terrorism”.
The woman, Nahla Al-Arian, was not on Columbia’s campus this week and was not among the protesters who were arrested.
Al-Arian, a retired elementary school teacher, told the Associated Press that Adams misstated both her role in the protests and the facts about her husband, Sami Al-Arian, a prominent Palestinian activist.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/may/02/us-college-campus-protests-pro-palestine-ucla-gaza-why-explained
and by the Associated Press:

Before police officers poured into Columbia University on Tuesday night, arresting more than 100 people as they cleared an occupied school building and tent encampment, New York City Mayor Eric Adams said he received a piece of intelligence that shifted his thinking about the campus demonstrations over the war in Gaza.
“Outside agitators” working to “radicalize our children” were leading students into more extreme tactics, the mayor said. And one of them, Adams said repeatedly in media appearances Wednesday morning, was a woman whose husband was “convicted for terrorism.”
But the woman referenced by the mayor wasn’t on Columbia’s campus this week, isn’t among the protesters who were arrested and has not been accused of any crime.
Nahla Al-Arian, 63, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Adams had misstated both her role in the protests and the facts about her husband, Sami Al-Arian, a former computer engineering professor and prominent Palestinian activist.

https://apnews.com/article/columbia-protests-eric-adams-outsiders-5319fdf36599295a3840d77c69458b57

Posted by: Gene Poole | May 2 2024 17:12 utc | 244

I was unable to post the above (245) for a long time. Meanwhile I posted the two links to Naomi Wolfe’s Substack and she immediately responded to me, sticking to her guns. You can read our exchanges there. https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/us-campus-chaos-a-new-oct-7-on-the/comments

Posted by: Gene Poole | May 2 2024 17:14 utc | 245

221 – The Israeli entry being “Bomb bomb bomb bomb”.

Posted by: Waldorf | May 2 2024 17:31 utc | 246

“We are not an authoritarian nation where we silence people and squash dissent,” Biden said, Reuters reported. “But neither are we a lawless country. We’re a civil society. And order must prevail.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 17:33 utc | 247

Just a thought: maybe the real infiltration is to spread rumours that the protests have been infiltrated, sowing doubt and discord.

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 17:37 utc | 248

Wonders never cease:
Turkey Halts All Trade With Israel Over War in Gaza
Probably to quell anger on the Turkiye street, probably plenty of mafia-like back channels figured in, but maybe part of an attentively building movement.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 2 2024 17:52 utc | 249

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 2 2024 17:52 utc | 250
Yeah, saw that earlier. Some informed commentators from Turkiye were saying they’d just move to the back channels like Armenia or something like that.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 2 2024 17:54 utc | 250

Just a thought: maybe the real infiltration is to spread rumours that the protests have been infiltrated, sowing doubt and discord.
Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 17:37 utc | 249
_________________________________
I suspect that that is what Naomi Wolfe is up to. The message is that we can’t trust our own gut human instincts. Of course the protests are infiltrated. Every one I have ever been associated with was, and provocateurs have been clearly at work in every one in recent years. But that doesn’t mean that what is at issue in the protest is unsound. We’re being asked not to support this movement because it’s infiltrated; the fact that it IS – and that so many people are trying to point out that it is – to me is proof of its worth and of its importance.

Posted by: Gene Poole | May 2 2024 18:35 utc | 251

Below is a comment from the current Open Thread that fits here as well

Protesting genocide = antisemitism, I guess. Reality inverted.
Posted by: KMRIA | May 2 2024 13:29 utc | 124
Not to mention that it is genocide of Palestinians—near 100% of them semite—by the israelis—some 10% only of whom are semite.
Posted by: Michael A | May 2 2024 18:34 utc | 141

When you are part of the empire of lies I guess it is expected to take Orwell as a How-To instead of a warning.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 2 2024 18:45 utc | 252

Tom_Q_Collins @ 251

Some informed commentators from Turkiye were saying they’d just move to the back channels like Armenia or something like that.

One thing about back channels, no paper trail, no taxes, bribes instead of fees, more profits, what’s to dislike? Of course the state loses the taxes which is a big deal unless the state is owned by its oligarchs and the gangsters, which it is.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 2 2024 18:49 utc | 253

           “SPEAK OUT”
That is the message at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC.
           “SPEAK OUT”
When you see Genocide “SPEAK OUT”.
It does not say “SPEAK OUT” expect when…
An entire wall panel at the museum is dedicated to that message.
“SPEAK OUT”
https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/simon-skjodt-center

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out
—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out
—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller

Today, the message is clear from the pro-Genocide camp to the protesters that are speaking out:
          be silent
          OR ELSE

Posted by: librul | May 2 2024 18:51 utc | 254

Re: Turkish blanket trade sanctions on Tel Aviv
Expect more countries to follow and apply sanctions on the Likud Gov’t etc. Yes it’s possible to use 3rd countries to trade, but it’s cumbersome and usually expensive.
The Likud is turning out to be Israelis‘ worst nightmare

Posted by: Exile | May 2 2024 18:54 utc | 255

Turkey’s on the verge of bankruptcy, but unless every dime from every criminal is accounted for, it will never be good enough.The hypocrisy, even here, is astonishing

Posted by: Turk 152 | May 2 2024 18:54 utc | 256

A report indicating “Hamas” Head-Sinwar, suggestion he would “move” to Jordan.
I swear, this seems to me, like a direct threat to the King of Jordan to take over Jordan.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 2 2024 16:04 utc | 239
Yahya Sinwar is the Hamas leader in Gaza, and is in Gaza. Sinwar would not leave Gaza, and certainly not go to Jordan. Suggestions of that sort are part of various psyops.
There is a lot of disinformation going around about Hamas so caution is necessary.
The leader of the Hamas military wing, commander of the Qassam Brigades, is Mohammad Deif, survivor of an Israeli assassination attempt in which he was seriously injured. An interesting man.
Osama Hamdan: Contact with Deif and Sinwar is ongoing
Thursday 2-May-2024
https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/05/02/318281/

Posted by: JB | May 2 2024 19:11 utc | 257

Someone seems to have disabled reCAPTCHA.
Two different sites that require a reCAPTCHA challenge appear to have login disabled.
Get nothing but a spinning wheel when trying to accept the challenge.
Is reCAPTCHA linked to a one service/company somewhere?
If so it is quite the achilles heel.

Posted by: librul | May 2 2024 19:21 utc | 258

If the President of the US has to mention the protests in his speech, isn’t that a sign the protests are having an impact? Sure, Biden’s position is not as positive as it was with regard to the BLM protests but it could have been more negative were his presidency not on the line in large part due to the war in Gaza.

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 19:30 utc | 259

RE: Osama Hamdan: Contact with Deif and Sinwar is ongoing
Thursday 2-May-2024
https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/05/02/318281/
Posted by: JB | May 2 2024 19:11 utc | 258
Good article. However, most know that the second U.S. lays the “sea pier”, they are there forever. It is stupid that Hamas or ally’s haven’t already fired on it. At least now, tactically, the US populous would not be behind any war. Look at Syria, Iraq…it’s a tripwire force that will choke Palestinians forever, and they won’t get rid of, even with a 2 state solution. Hamdan strikes me as a competent FM. It’s all very delicate.
As for Sinwar, as I understand it, there was some scuttle talk about how he should be “kicked out” of DOHA, probably a Israel/US threat, perhaps Jordan joined in and it got out of hand.
I do think, whether real or subtle, he was reminding Jordan, the Palestinian people were the real power in Jordan, not a UK installed King, and Sinwar could make life a lot more uncomfortable for him if he wanted. Or maybe, a reminder to US and Israel.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 2 2024 19:32 utc | 260

252 – All protests bigger than absolutely tiny ones are likely to have some undercover cops or security service personnel among them. It’s just the reality. I remember 2007, at the G8 protest in Rostock, Germany. An empty police car was parked in an inviting place. Members of the “Black Bloc” started breaking its windows. The police then had their excuse to attack protesters. I am pretty sure the people attacking the car were not free of state links. Either that or they were stupid, or happy to be played.

Posted by: Waldorf | May 2 2024 19:34 utc | 261

Criticism of Israel = Antisemitism
From the piece:

The legislation adopts the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s (IHRA) working-definition of antisemitism, which lists “drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis” as an example of antisemitism.
The IHRA also defines antisemitism as applying “double standards” to Israel by “requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation” and “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination” by “claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.”

It’s all so mind-boggling that so many voted yes to this.

Posted by: CrazyTrain | May 2 2024 19:34 utc | 262

Today is 7th months since the start of hostilities with the 2.Oct attack against innocent worshipers at the Al-Aqsa Holy site
Pray for peace

Posted by: Exile | May 2 2024 19:34 utc | 263

@Posted by: Waldorf | May 2 2024 19:34 utc | 262
I have felt like I am being eyeballed as undercover by other protesters at times.
I am the same age as OldHippie, white and muscular.
Most, but not all, protesters fit other demographics.

Posted by: librul | May 2 2024 19:40 utc | 264

Is this what victory looks like? It might be. A two State solution offers the chance, in future, of federation evolving, by popular accord, into one state, secular and sovereign.
“After seven months of a brutal military assault on Gaza, it is abundantly clear that Israel has not succeeded in eradicating Hamas. Instead of delivering a decisive military victory, the occupation state finds itself being drawn kicking and screaming into negotiations over a two-state solution.
“Withstanding the impracticality of establishing a genuinely independent, sovereign Palestinian state in the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip, this scenario is becoming increasingly likely despite long-standing opposition from the Israeli government. It is an extraordinary development, particularly as Tel Aviv’s strategy, as articulated by foreign policy advisor Ophir Falk, was mainly to “destroy Hamas” and its military and governance capabilities entirely.
“Today, the two-state option is frantically being resuscitated in Washington, of all places, and by stalwart allies of Tel Aviv.
“Martin Indyk, a former US ambassador to Israel and staunch supporter of the occupation state, argues in Foreign Affairs magazine that far from being “dead,” the two-state solution now looks to be the only reasonable game in town:
“The reason for this revival is not complicated. There are, after all, only a few possible alternatives to the two-state solution. There is Hamas’ solution, which is the destruction of Israel. There is the Israeli ultra-right’s solution, which is the Israeli annexation of the West Bank, the dismantling of the Palestinian Authority (PA), and the deportation of Palestinians to other countries. There is the ‘conflict management’ approach pursued for the last decade or so by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, which aimed to maintain the status quo indefinitely – and the world has seen how that worked out. And there is the idea of a binational state in which Jews would become a minority, thus ending Israel’s status as a Jewish state. None of those alternatives would resolve the conflict – at least not without causing even greater calamities. And so if the conflict is to be resolved peacefully, the two-state solution is the only idea left standing….”
https://thecradle.co/articles/to-israels-horror-hamas-brings-two-state-solution-back-into-focus
librul | May 2 2024 19:40 utc | 265
This is not my experience, perhaps it is your ‘muscularity’ which intimidates younger people.

Posted by: bevin | May 2 2024 19:48 utc | 265

This obviously has political implications, but honestly, I think it was a very nice and generous thing to do:
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/05/02/724818/Second-Iranian-university-offers-scholarships-to-expelled-US-students-
“Second Iranian university offers scholarships to expelled students in US, Europe”
The second Iranian university has offered scholarships to students in the US and Europe who have been expelled for taking part in pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campuses.
Seyed Mahmoud Aghamiri, dean of Shahid Beheshti University in Tehran, on Thursday extended his proposal to those protesting Israel’s genocide in Gaza, following the intensified crackdown on demonstrators across the US.
It came after Shiraz University became the first academic center to offer students and even professors who have been expelled or threatened with expulsion in the US to continue their studies at the prestigious school in Iran.
“We accept students who have been expelled from European and American universities for protesting against the actions of the Zionists,” Aghamiri said. “We have considered scholarship for these students and we fully cover the cost of education, dormitory and accommodation.”
These are wonderfully prestigious schools. Even if it was a PR stunt, at least it is a hand across the divide, and it really may help some of these students. I’m not “British” but as they would say: Good Form! Seriously, very generous.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 2 2024 19:50 utc | 266

Trubind1 | May 2 2024 15:41 utc | 235
Once the musicians, poets/writers, and video gamer tech’s start showing up, then it is “fait accompli”
New music? Here’s a young Swiss quartet with a thoughtful soundtrack for these uneasy times…
SOAP
APOS
PSAO
OPSA
PASO
SPOA

Posted by: john | May 2 2024 19:54 utc | 267

“The head of al-Shifa Hospital’s orthopaedic department, Dr Adnan al-Bursh @DrBursh, has been tortured to death by Israel after he was kidnapped from al-Awda hospital end of last year.
“He died on April 19, & his death was confirmed today by Palestinian Prisoners Affairs.”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live/gaza-live-israel-war-rafah-humanitarian-crisis

Posted by: bevin | May 2 2024 19:55 utc | 268

Time for us to put down what ever were doing, and here this. I mean really hear this….
https://pepunlimited.com/education/charlie-chaplin/
Video contained.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 2 2024 20:02 utc | 269

https://t.me/warfareanalysis/35894?single
Israeli ambassador to the UN. I swear he twists every word better than a contorsonis5. He must have a Ai program to capture the best criticisms of Israel them reword it . It’s that cheesy. And I notice he didn’t forget to mention it is jews who are the victims , never forget that part it’s worked for the last 75 years and they will flog it even after its dead on the road

Posted by: Hankster | May 2 2024 20:02 utc | 270

RE: It’s all so mind-boggling that so many voted yes to this.
Posted by: CrazyTrain | May 2 2024 19:34 utc | 263
I’m wondering if it will pass in the Senate. Even if it does, it will be challenged and taken all the way to the Supreme Court & International Courts as well.
There is an inherit “right” for any group to self determination. So, nothing new there, The “Bill” is a re-interpretation, with generous exaggeration of adding language to shut down American coverage of ICJ & possible war crimes, as indeed, it is certainly on the table that, like Hitler, they are committing genocide.
It will most assuredly by challenged in any form it passes.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden himself doesn’t Veto it.
He needs the votes now, more than ever, and hates BiBi anyways, so it may be his parting gift to Nuttyahoo, if he believes BiBi just put nail in his coffin with all this. Obama stuck it to Nuttyahoo on his way out by “abstaining” at UN the very important resolution (don’t remember which one, it was ignored anyway & doing the JCPOA) Most slaves secretly or not so secretly, hate their masters. In any event, the fact that they felt the need to have to make a law about critiquing “Zionism” and make no mistake, that’s what it is, shows how weak and desperate they are to hold onto their death cult lie.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 2 2024 20:14 utc | 271

bevin 266
The only available solution after this Israeli genocide is qisas / revenge genocide of Jews in Palestine, the abandonment of the Jewish state, allocation of the oil rights off Gaza to the Palestinian State and vast sums in punitive reparations.
The more they kill, the more will be killed. A promise from Allah in the Qur’an. No messing. Enough is enough. The Jews need to be humiliated into accepting the falsity of the 2300 year old Talmudic alteration of the Torah and to accept the Messiah AS sent to them.

Posted by: Giyane | May 2 2024 20:16 utc | 272

So you tell me, is this topical.
Is this exactly where we are now ?
Fascism has reared its ugly head and stalks our lands.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 2 2024 20:18 utc | 273

“RE:New music? Here’s a young Swiss quartet with a thoughtful soundtrack for these uneasy times…”
SOAP
APOS
PSAO
OPSA
PASO
SPOA
Posted by: john | May 2 2024 19:54 utc | 268
John, thx for those links. I hit one random one so far, PSAO and really like the sound!. It is as you say, calming. That song made me kinda feel like dancing & resting at the same time. I really liked both the beat & melody. Just wanted to give a shout out and thx. It made me feel better instantly.
I’ll get down to listening to all the links tonight … cheers 🍻

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 2 2024 20:28 utc | 274

A few days after oct 7th someone leaked here that the op name was 40 aleph, which in the kind of cryptology used by these psychopaths means the hebrew letter mim, which in ancient times was used for the number 40.
Mim is also the first letter of the word “death” in hebrew, which in their mythology is associated with Azrael, the angel of death. This makes me suggest that whoever believes in angels should really look into those that are associated with life, such as Gabriel, to break this dark cycle.

Posted by: Tom | May 2 2024 20:31 utc | 275

Two-state, one state, whatever. Gaza will be condos, beach resorts and LNG platforms by 2040 and no one will remember. Time is empire’s great ally, turning an illegal occupation now into a perfectly respectable nation over the horizon. I know: I’m a beneficiary.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 2 2024 20:32 utc | 276

“Israeli aircraft targeted a building south of Damascus believed to contain Iranian advisors”
First in Damascus since embassy.

Posted by: Ornot | May 2 2024 20:32 utc | 277

https://thecradle.co/articles/what-comes-first-a-rafah-invasion-or-a-netanyahu-ousting
Very level-headed, and devastating, critique of Netenyahoo by WEF’s brain, Noah Harari.

Posted by: scorpion | May 2 2024 20:40 utc | 278

Scorpion 203

” as naive students who have no knowledge of the complexities of the agony of Israel/Palestine’s conflict, credulously mouth reductive, inflammatory slogans, including “We are Hamas”, “Intifada Now” and “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free.” Students more knowledgeable and compassionate could as easily call for a ceasefire; for peace talks; and for all sides to obey the international rules of war.”—
I don’t trust Naomi Klein.
This is a really stupid sentence.
The “conflict” is not “complicated, it is an “agony” only for the true victims, the Palestinians, and those who say it is are habaristas trying to deflect obvious truths and circumsatnces—the ongoing theft of Palestinian land and assets and the ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing of Pals—into Pilpulistan.

Posted by: Jane | May 2 2024 20:48 utc | 279

There are a handful of comments above from posters with a glimmer of realism. Fact is you play the game long enough you will always feel like you are navigating a hall of mirrors. Which is itself debilitating. And still substantially better than being a naive waif.
The intelligence agencies have simply massive budgets. If you ever listen to them they will tell you straightforwardly they are in the business of manipulating popular movements. And you are really a fool if you do not know that all of the news you are getting about current protests, to include 99.9% of what you find on social media, is written at Langley.. Information operations have always been number one at Langley and they tell you that over and over.
Simple terms- I can’t count the number of marches I have been on where instigators were leading the crowd into a kettle, to be beaten and arrested. And I personally led groups away and to safety. And I can’t do that at the moment because current red squad knows me and will separate me before I say a word in that direction.
Do this long enough you will come to know some of the players. You will know players on all sides of the action.
Little story. Well it will eat bandwidth. And historical, most players here are dead. When I was in prison (a setup by SDS) the yardboss was in love with me and he was my protection. He had lots of punks, he wanted me to come to him willingly. Which never happened because I’m straight. Hans was doing time as a gun-runner. He was Argentinian or German or American, take your pick. His father had arrived in Argentina on apron strings of Paperclip and was a small time mafioso and hustler. Hans made the mistake of doing some free-lance gun sales to putative leftists in Florida. It was of course a setup and a message.to anyone else thinking of same. And he stayed too long in prison because Argentina and Germany wouldn’t take him. US was determined to deport. Germany finally relented. They taught him German and even before he could speak fluently they gave him a job with the anti-terrorist police. Hunting the Baader-Meinhof gang. Right. He loved it. Got to wear a groovy uniform, great boots, had cool weaponry. Within a year not only had he figured out it was all a sham, he had met Andreas and Ulrike, who were of course cops. I could go on. All this in love letters to me while I am in Chicago. One day I get an envelope from Germany addressed in unfamiliar handwriting. Inside is a press clipping. Hans has been killed in a shootout with the Rote Armee Fraktion. And I of course did not believe a word of this… . .In late 90s saw him sitting at a sidewalk cafe near my apartment. Hugs and kisses. He promptly told me it was no problem to find me. My file had always remained active even if I was not. I expressed surprise anyone would have any interest for so damn long. His response was budgets for this work are infinite and eternal.. Told me there were three others in my little neighborhood cafe who were surveilled regularly. I correctly guessed two. And then I said well, I always had my doubts about Franklin, known him for over thirty years and was never sure which side of the street he worked on, guess I’ve suspected him for nothing. And Hans told me this was a real interesting character. He looked at it with a lifetime of professional experience and had files I would never see and simply could not tell who the guy worked for or if he was playing everyone.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 2 2024 20:51 utc | 280

Whoops! Mea culpa for confusing Wolf and Klein.

Posted by: Jane | May 2 2024 20:54 utc | 281

Oldhippie @ 281
So have you got a better plan ?

Posted by: Mark2 | May 2 2024 21:05 utc | 282

@john | May 2 2024 19:54 utc | 268

New music? Here’s a young Swiss quartet with a thoughtful soundtrack for these uneasy times…

That’s a rather old idea with new music
ᛋ ᚨ ᛏ ᛟ ᚱ — S A T O R
ᚨ ᚱ ᛅ ᛈ ᛟ — A R E P O
ᛏ ᛅ ᚾ ᛅ ᛏ — T E N E T
ᛟ ᛈ ᛅ ᚱ ᚨ — O P E R A
ᚱ ᛟ ᛏ ᚨ ᛋ — R O T A S

Posted by: Norwegian | May 2 2024 21:07 utc | 283

@ Gene Poole | May 2 2024 17:14 utc | 246
Thanks for that, but it’s utterly disgusting. It seems Naomi Wolf has gone full-frontal-Scorpion on us, essentially egging on the brownshirts to go bust some more woke heads.
Is there any point in debating bloody-minded liars? I try not to, but sometimes it’s tempting.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 2 2024 21:15 utc | 284

Posted by: oldhippie | May 2 2024 20:51 utc | 281
Great story, thank you. You seem like a cool character. Lucky Chicago!
The only politician I ever met in Ontario told me how they put a photo of his little girl that day in school in his car with a note telling him to drop out of the race lest she be hurt. He dropped out. No doubt this has happened to thousands in all ‘democracies’.
The only time I’ve been involved in stories that end up in the news, the reports are highly distorted or flat-out false.
The only time I was in a room with many US Senators not a single one seemed like a normal human being, they were all demented or zombie-like – probably medicated. The security guards had more on the ball.
Truth really is stranger than fiction. I’m down to simple pleasures: teaching village masons how to make bathtubs and kitchen counters which have never made myself. Strange, but delightfully decent.

Posted by: scorpion | May 2 2024 21:17 utc | 285

Posted by: Jane | May 2 2024 20:54 utc | 282
I just heard Klein interviewed by Mehdi Hasan and really liked her. She called Zionism a false idol, which can’t be repeated enough.

Posted by: Turk 152 | May 2 2024 21:21 utc | 286

Patroklos 273
“Two-state, one state, whatever. Gaza will be condos, beach resorts and LNG platforms by 2040 and no one will remember. Time is empire’s great enemy, turning an illegal Zionist occupation now into a perfectly respectable Palestinian nation over the horizon. I know: I’m a beneficiary.”
Fixed it for ya.

Posted by: Giyane | May 2 2024 21:24 utc | 287

Scorpion 286
O Allah! Nobody can hold back whatever You have granted and none can grant what You hold back. And no powerful person can benefit from his power against Your Power.

Posted by: Giyane | May 2 2024 21:34 utc | 288

The only available solution after this Israeli genocide is qisas / revenge genocide of Jews in Palestine..
Posted by: Giyane | May 2 2024 20:16 utc | 273
Are you out of your mind!? Propagating genocide here! Or anywhere, against anyone.
Genocide and crimes are never “the only solution”, or a solution at all.
The Palestinian resistance forces in Gaza and the West Bank are not killing Israeli civilians, and genocide and crimes against humanity are not their policy, or the key to their vision of the future. They do not profess hatred of any kind against anyone.
We have yet to see the outcome of this heroic struggle of the Palestinian resistance for liberation and self-determination.
Their existential battle is not only against the Zionist anti-humans but also against formidable international forces trying to find a way to ensure Israel’s continued existence despite its (Israel’s) criminal origin, nature and practice culminating in the ongoing genocide.
These powerful interests – the West, Russia and other – are united around the two-state solution because it preserves Israel. They do not AT ALL have the interests of the Palestinians, of justice and oa fair, lasting solution, in mind. It is only about them, their rivalries and their interests.
As I have written here from day one of this historic battle, the Palestinians will be screwed – again, because only Iran has historically and consistently supported the only just and fair solution to the catastrophe brought on the Palestinians, the region and the world, by the criminal planting of the Zionist terrorist state in Palestine.
That just and fair solution, that only Iran advocates, is self-determination by referendum of the inhabitants of Palestine, Christians, Jews and Muslims who lived there before the British and the UN simply gave the bigger part of Palestine to the Zionist haters and murderers.
But the great “democrats” and preachers of justice and a better world, are scared to death of a such a referendum and will use all their powerful tricks, demagoguery and quasi-legal fog to ensure that the Palestinians, what is left of them, remain where they are, dispossessed, robbed of everything that rightly belongs to them, including their human dignity which the UN and the entire world have ignored for a 100 years and are actively trampling on at present in the never-ending genocidal destruction of everything Palestinian in Gaza.
The Palestinians have been living in refugee camps for most of our lifetimes. Think about that! Generations have been born in refugee camps that the Zionist monster is now relentlessly destroying, as if the world could not stop him.
Who is the real monster then?
The Palestinian liberation struggle, the heroism of the Resistance, will not be forgiven by the truel, the big monsters of the world. Israel will be saved, treated as a victim and a victor.
And the Palestinians? Just wait and see.

Posted by: JB | May 2 2024 21:43 utc | 289

RE: Posted by: Patroklos | May 2 2024 20:32 utc | 277
More likely a radioactive sand dune under rubble and debris for years, burying bodies for months, and resembling Libya’s economy. That’s the result of every inch of earth that the West sets their foot on. Want examples: Germany-Yugoslavia, China, India, Afghanistan, Japan, Laos, Vietnam, Malaysia, Yemen, Haiti, Rwanda, Sudan, Horn of Africa, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Solomon Island, Cuba— add you own examples:
That’s all that’s in the cards for “Israel”…destruction, poverty and death.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 2 2024 21:52 utc | 290

https://www.youtube.com/live/UMbcN74xG5E?si=nIuHU0KNXIfbZUJ7
Pepe talks with Danny he covers the israel nuke attempt and clarifies his position. Not sure if it has already been posted but this is a must watch interview

Posted by: Hankster | May 2 2024 22:50 utc | 291

Is all this direction to possible netanyahoo arrest (ICC does not have police or army to actually arrest him only issue warrents) to distract from the horrors they continue to commit against Palestinians? I was banned from even looking at Instagram a few days ago all my comments were very mild.
At least one driver killed and several people injured in attack on aid trucks in Gaza City
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NnG5wC8Ro
At least one driver has been killed when the Israeli army opened fire on aid trucks at the Kuwait roundabout in Gaza City.
That’s the intersection on the major road linking north and south Gaza.
What kind of nonsense is this, blocking humanitarian aid
5 hours ago
This is not war anymore
its systematically evilness
It was never war to begin with. Genocide since day 1

Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | May 2 2024 22:54 utc | 292

Thursday, April 25, 2024
Finally! Catholics fight back against the Noahide Laws – LifeSiteNews condemns the Noahide Laws
https://stopnoahidelaw.blogspot.com/2024/04/finally-catholics-fight-back-against.html
Stop Noahide Law
Repeal All American Public Laws & Proclamations Recognizing The Noahide Laws

Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | May 2 2024 22:56 utc | 293

scorpion | May 2 2024 12:54 utc | 203
“Students more knowledgeable and compassionate could as easily call for a ceasefire; for peace talks; and for all sides to obey the international rules of war.”
They have no direct input on what the major parties are doing in the conflict, no direct means to force anyone to obey laws or be compassionate. What they can do, and what they are doing is demanding an institution, which they are a part of and they can make change, cuts ties with someone who is committing genocide. Sure they could easily call for a ceasefire, a nonsense protest then easily dismissed. A direct demand for their authorities to themselves stop supporting it is not as easy, nor as easily dismissed but is something that has a chance of being successful. It’s for now a bogus concession, but Brown is saying they will vote(in October for stopping the protests now makes it bogus) on stopping relationships with institutions tied to Israel. It’s a start though. Puts on the table demanding an emergency meeting to make the vote in the haggling process.
Sad that they say someone has no ideas of the complexities of the Palestinian conflict, while showing they don’t even have a basic understanding of a much more limited conflict between a university and their students.
Not in the quoted text(not giving the article any traffic, the quoted part is nonsense), but in the poster’s summary, that it will stay on campus is not good analysis either. University students go home for the summer. They will go back to their towns and cities, find the places there invested in the genocidal regime and demand that they also cut ties.
As for being infiltrated and used for other agendas, no shit, in a small town(with ties to big $$$$) protests against corruption in the 5 main people organizing one turned out to be a CI working for the police, dealing drugs for them(got some of the protesters on it and killed them with fentanyl even). Infiltrator/CI was eventually arrested for molesting children, which was a part of the corruption being protested against. Still were able to force the issue on the corruption, and many resigned, even though it’s been close to a decade since anyone was on the streets and there are still resignations for undisclosed corruption that was hidden behind a wall before.
Infiltration happens, for the purpose of derailing, demoralizing and deflecting. Those who specifically focus on known infiltrators, like those said to be funded by George Soros, who is retired lol,(at least pay enough attention to blame his son who took over) are trying to also derail/deflect the original, and stated purpose.
Pushing the issue for the universities to divest away from genocide is an effective tactic to help push the issue of following the laws on genocide(it isn’t war, as the people of gaza are not recognized as a country and are an occupied territory another mistake made). It makes the institution make a public stand, either they divest, or people will see they didn’t and avoid the institutions themselves. With universities as an example, they aren’t going to be able to pull support from ignorant people that can’t figure these things out without degrading themselves. It’s not like a bunch of rednecks that barely got out of high school are gonna be able to support them lol, unless it ends up degraded to Columbia technical college.

Posted by: Rhymerez | May 2 2024 23:06 utc | 294

The reports from NY Post and others that some of the agitators are paid by Soros and other usual suspect NGO’s are also probably true; if so, their purpose is not really about Palestinians but creating waves in the US body politic.
Do you disagree with any of that? Style matters, yes, but also quite a few basic points were made.
Posted by: scorpion | May 2 2024 13:50 utc | 212
Cries out about agitators, while inserting agitators.
Protest anyway.
Support protests anyway.
There will always be agents, agitators and laRushians and crazies and biblical armageddonists.
If you dont like how they protest, or the words they use, criticize by action, show them how its done.
Until then, they are armchairing, at best, inverting their words’ meanings for nefarious purposes at worst.

Posted by: UWDude | May 2 2024 23:07 utc | 295

JB 290
Chapter Isra of the Qur’an states that if the Jews exceed all bounds of humanity again God will raised up powerful forces against them same as the Babylonians and the Romans.
Of course I am not mad, it will happen. You cannot force God to give you what He has taken away from you.
The Jews are mad to think they can.

Posted by: Giyane | May 2 2024 23:28 utc | 296

Trubind1 | May 2 2024 14:44 utc | 225
Good post, thanks.
No idea what their political effect will be, but I’m quite sure the protests are organic.

Posted by: smuks | May 2 2024 23:43 utc | 297

librul | May 2 2024 19:40 utc | 265
This is not my experience, perhaps it is your ‘muscularity’ which intimidates younger people.
Posted by: bevin | May 2 2024 19:48 utc | 266
I am not a protest attendee, for various reasons too long to go into so I haven’t experienced that.
However, over the years I get really weird calls.
I ’ll get these odd calls where someone will say, I’m looking for so and so. They’ll use my last, middle or first name that is correct then pair it with an incorrect name. I will say noone here of that name. The next question will be, oh I’m just looking for so and so, what’s your name. I hang up. Now I know right away and just hang up immediately.
They have all followed the same pattern.
I know it’s not anything legit because anyone I do business with knows my correct name.
It makes me laugh sometimes because if it really is an intelligence op I can’t believe what they think they are accomplishing.
Any activity or people I knew that might be a trigger are ancient or dead. If they are worried about someone at my age they must be exceptionally paranoid.
Hopefully they are wasting tons of money on stuff like this rather than using it more effectively.

Posted by: Archetypex | May 2 2024 23:45 utc | 298

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4640068-schumer-johnson-netanyahu-invite/
Remember: it’s not treason. It’s just an employer addressing his employees, working for Uniparty,USA

Posted by: Eighthman | May 3 2024 0:15 utc | 299

Saudi steps up arrests of Israel critics amid normalization prospect: Report
Thursday, 02 May 2024 9:52 PM
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/05/02/724824/Saudi-Ara

Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | May 3 2024 0:32 utc | 300