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May 1, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-126
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Azerbaijan IL-76 into Prestwick today to load up on guns etc 🙁
heading to the Holylands tomorrow
Glad your doing ok B
In Solidarity
Posted by: BoardinDundee | May 1 2024 18:39 utc | 101
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-weapons-quietly-helped-azerbaijan-retake-nagorno-karabakh-sources-data/
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Posted by: BoardinDundee | May 1 2024 18:43 utc | 102
Whilst I rarely post here, I am delighted that b, has announced below, that he is recovering from his medical problems, and is on a strong course of various anti-biotics. About 9 months ago, anti-biotics literally saved my lifefrom Sepsis. Good luck, but take it easy. It takes awhile to rebuild your physical strength.
Posted by: tonyopmoc | May 1 2024 18:44 utc | 103
TED POSTOL’S ANALYSIS OF IRAN’S MISSILE ATTACK ON ISRAEL
https://sonar21.com/ted-postols-analysis-of-irans-missile-attack-on-israel/
Posted by: Paul | May 1 2024 18:59 utc | 104
Tom @ 52
The Bill of Rights is first ten amendments to the Constitution,
named First Amendment, Second Amendment, etc.
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution
Posted by: Jane | May 1 2024 19:34 utc | 105
It seems tha Americans care more for Israel then for their lives and their own country. Not only politicians but the masses. There are no real signs of discontent. This genocide is cool.
Posted by: vargas | May 1 2024 19:42 utc | 106
Brief outline – 18 mins
Britain in Palestine 1917-1948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOJqLTc6RkU
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 1 2024 19:45 utc | 107
There was a lot of talk about axes of resistance. But in the end there is no hope for Palestinians. Iran or Arabs ae just not interested…
Posted by: vargas | May 1 2024 19:57 utc | 108
One of the extreme right israeli assholes mentioned Amalek again yesterday…. maybe it is time to remind him who really were the Amaliqa.
An important Yemenite tribe.
Posted by: Minaa | May 1 2024 20:06 utc | 109
It seems tha Americans care more for Israel then for their lives and their own country. Not only politicians but the masses. There are no real signs of discontent. This genocide is cool.
Posted by: vargas | May 1 2024 19:42 utc | 106
Pushing lies. God damn the pusherman.
Posted by: Not Ewe | May 1 2024 20:18 utc | 110
look up a very old book The Empire of “The City”: The Secret History of British Financial Power. E.C. Knuth
douglas reed his book on zion
any book by the great eustace mullins
anthony c sutton books stunning
The Anglo-American Establishment by Carroll Quigley
Posted by: todd | May 1 2024 20:20 utc | 111
As expected, and as what happened in 2020, late last night at UCLA a small army of (surely paid) “counterprotestors” armed with bats and other weapons, wearing masks, attacked the encampment of peaceful pro-Palestine/pro-divestment protestors using violent tactics.
The on-site security guards did nothing, police showed up momentarily and attempted to aid an injured individual, then were attacked by the “counterprotestors” and fled.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1785721636357869655
Once again, the actual paid instigators are following the script.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 20:43 utc | 112
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/may/01/saudi-us-biden-deal-israel
The pariah state is becoming a reality
Posted by: Minaa | May 1 2024 20:48 utc | 113
A timeline of the 2020 protests and the start of violence, burning and looting:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/11/a-timeline-of-the-george-floyd-and-anti-police-brutality-protests
Of note, May 27 is the first time in which fires and looting are seen in Minneapolis.
Early on that day, a masked infiltrator wearing all black and carrying an umbrella begins to smash out the windows of an Autozone in the middle of one of the main protest areas.
https://southsidepride.com/2022/02/21/what-about-umbrella-man/
Demonstrators implore him to stop doing that and it would cause cops to crack down even further. He is suspected of having ties to LE or “counterprotestors.”
The video revealed that the infamous Umbrella Man used his sledgehammer to systematically break the windows of the AutoZone store. Prior to breaking the windows he spray-painted “Free Shit for Everyone Zone” on the front door. This gave rise to looting. Soon the AutoZone was on fire. Police believe that UM’s actions set off the first fire and a chain reaction (planned?), leading to additional arson and looting, including the fire that destroyed the 3rd Precinct building. The rest is history: deaths, hundreds of arrests, criminal charges and approximately 1,500 buildings damaged or destroyed, costing in excess of $500 million. Protests spread beyond Minneapolis, creating the largest protest in U.S. history, with 26 million people participating from coast to coast. The protests were felt around the world and were the second most destructive in the U.S. after the Los Angeles riots of 1992.
Also in the UM video we see a young, Black man in a pink shirt (later identified as Elijah Easley, aka EJ) approaching UM and, while we cannot hear the conversation, it appears that Easley is asking him who he is and gesturing, encouraging him to stop what he’s doing. UM yells at the man in the pink shirt but what he says is indecipherable. Later, in an interview with Loud News (9/7/20), Easley revealed that UM was challenging him to fight if he didn’t leave him alone. Also on the video it is observed that UM has a white substance on the right index finger of his glove, which would be a match for the white spray paint used to write on the AutoZone doors.
So at this point, anyone not expecting similar or the same tactics – where feasible – is deluding themselves. Luckily, most universities don’t have storefronts to vandalize or create the appearance of looting (followed, of course, by actual looting). We shall see…
The forces of evil are out en force with scumbags like Tom Cotton and other Zionist and RW politicians agitating for the national guard.
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1785731698623181069
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 20:50 utc | 114
Police, as is typical, stand by and do nothing as violent “counterprotestors” wreak havoc.
https://twitter.com/uncoovr/status/1785721833800569180
The phrase ACAB is completely understandable. They are following the script to ensure – and egg on – violence, always at first against peaceful demonstrators, then for state violence to be deployed forcefully in conjunction with the paid instigators (in this case Zionists and anti-Arab bigots) against the peaceful encampments.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 20:54 utc | 115
“If they invade, THIS will happen”
Mahmoud OD translates and discusses an Al Manar interview with senior Hamas representative.
Highlights: 1) “the resistance has entered the stage of permanent clash with Israel”.
2) Does not appear any “unity” PLO/Hamas governance on dock or worked out yet.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U1L089yjEnk
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 1 2024 21:05 utc | 116
from just a short while ago
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/colombia-president-petro-says-will-break-diplomatic-relations-with-israel-2024-05-01/
Colombia to break diplomatic relations with Israel, President Petro says
Petro has already heavily criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and requested to join South Africa’s case accusing Israel of genocide at the International Court of Justice.
“Here in front of you, the government of change, of the president of the republic announces that tomorrow we will break diplomatic relations with the state of Israel … for having a government, for having a president who is genocidal,” Petro told cheering crowds in Bogota who marched to mark International Worker’s Day and back Petro’s social and economic reforms….
….Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz accused Petro of being “antisemitic and full of hate”. He said Petro’s move was a reward to the armed group Hamas, which on Oct. 7 led a deadly attack on Israeli military bases and communities.
Bolivia broke with relations with Israel at the end of October last year while several other countries in Latin America, including Colombia, Chile and Honduras, have recalled their ambassadors.
Posted by: michaelj72 | May 1 2024 21:10 utc | 117
It seems tha Americans care more for Israel then for their lives and their own country. Not only politicians but the masses. There are no real signs of discontent. This genocide is cool.
Posted by: vargas | May 1 2024 19:42 utc | 106
Pushing lies. God damn the pusherman.
Posted by: Not Ewe | May 1 2024 20:18 utc | 110
I love where I live (the place not the government) unfortunately it’s populated with a lot of evangelical types.
They have no problem with our funding multiple foreign wars.
They are willing to burn the place down for Israel.
If you even mention anything related to Israel the next thing is a bunch of yelling about their right to defend themselves, Israel has the best Air Force and missile defense blah blah blah.
He has a point. Unquestioning suicidal support for Israel is still extremely strong here.
Posted by: Archetypex | May 1 2024 21:10 utc | 118
Fun fact: NYPD has an Israel branch.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2012/09/nypd-now-has-an-israel-branch.html
Posted by: JAB | May 1 2024 21:35 utc | 119
Posted by: Archetypex | May 1 2024 21:10 utc | 118
Same situation here. It’s not rational or logical. Same thing with abortion. They’re fine with US bombs and missiles murdering babies both born and unborn in any of “our” wars abroad. Just not here.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 21:43 utc | 120
To Don Firineach and other history students… another fine book on the history of pillage by Perfidious Albion is “The Blood Never Dried” by John Newsinger. It’s amazing how many Lords and Ladies got their start with flithy lucre from the Opium Wars. Another highly recommended book is “Stolen Continents” by Ronald Wright. This one includes chapters on the atrocities of the Spanish conquest of the Aztec, Maya and Inca as well as some shocking revelations of the treacherous betrayal over and over again of indigenous peoples in North America, which the “Americans” joyfully continued once they ran the Brits out. It’s not all blackness in “America” as there have been a few, mostly buried by the propaganda of the victors, who stood fast for fairness. None of those few heroes was British. Funny….and funny how it is never mentioned that the ethical thinking of the League of the Iroquois influenced such worthies as Benjamin Franklin, Marx, Engels … sigh…. but apparently the Maya in Guatemala are having some success lately so there is still hope.. Go to the good, as some irish fella said.
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | May 1 2024 21:47 utc | 121
We read much about the unfathomable failure on the part of the Israelis –
leaving themselves wide open for the Hamas jail break on October 7th.
Where were their partners, the CIA and MI6?
We hear repeatedly that Egyptian intelligence had warned Israel,
but we hear almost nothing about the role of the CIA and MI6.
The silence is almost deafening.
The silence is deafening, it almost echoes.
The silence is almost deafening and what should it tell you?
What should it tell you?
Posted by: librul | May 1 2024 21:53 utc | 122
todd, thanks for the reminder. Mullins is awesome. ditto Douglas Reed. Anthony Sutton hard to find, but I think there is a downloadable book/essay of the Bones Club at a history site… Duck Duck Go would know. Carroll Quigley is a mystery to me. No index. No chapter headings. No bibliography, footnotes, references – and an apparent distain for the Irish which for better or worse, I tend to take personally.
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | May 1 2024 21:56 utc | 123
Mossad visits UCLA students:
https://x.com/drloupis/status/1785772665979933144?s=46&t=Bmxd6oMOVCgO8xfOez1NLQ
Posted by: Turk 152 | May 1 2024 22:00 utc | 124
Last night’s rampage by pro-Israel mob makes it clear—since the encampments were completely non-violent, the new strategy is to *make them violent*
Turning protests into riots lets media blame both sides and gives authorities an excuse to shut them down:
https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1785676692821860596
All according to the script.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 22:00 utc | 125
Giyane | May 1 2024 14:40 utc | 59
Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 14:43 utc | 62
You guys are too harsh. Jazz, bluegrass, Ernest Hemingway, Joseph Campell, Kurt Vonnegut, Georgia O’keeffe, … to name a few things that are the souls of the US as a young country.
Money worship is a problem, imperialism is a problem, yes no doubt.
Posted by: TonyL | May 1 2024 22:07 utc | 126
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 20:54 utc | 115
“The phrase ACAB is completely understandable. They are following the script to ensure – and egg on – violence, always at first against peaceful demonstrators”
I can understand why you wrote that, but not all Coppers Are Bastards.The Police have a job to do which often is not nice. I won’t bore you with either the negatives or the positives of which I heve experienced..which varied between completely brilliant to outright thugs
Posted by: tonyopmoc | May 1 2024 22:23 utc | 127
Pro-Palestinian activists who have pitched their tents on the McGill University campus scored a legal victory on Wednesday when a Quebec judge rejected a request for an injunction to stop their protest. Justice Chantal Masse ruled that the students who wanted protesters to relocate failed to demonstrate that their access to the school was being blocked or that they would be unable to write their final exams.
On the West Coast, pro-Palestinian protesters have set up camp at a second university in British Columbia, with tents going up on a field at the University of Victoria.
-Globe and Mail
Posted by: Jonathan W | May 1 2024 22:31 utc | 128
TonyL 127
I didn’t mean individual soul. I meant no expectation by the US public that their powerful would ever be shamed into doing the right thing.
BoJo created a wheeze of boozing in lockdown and sensibly resigned. Thatcher charged millionaires the same poll tax as their tenants and was forced to resign.
Biden Sunak and Nutjob are stupidity on steroids but they have no stratagem for admitting defeat by popular opinion. Is it because , in the age of insatiable pornography , insatiable lust for money no longer seems wrong?
Their corruption no longer worries them.
longer seems
Posted by: Giyane | May 1 2024 22:39 utc | 129
P.I.G.
Psychopathic Israeli Genocide
The pro-Genocide camp embraces the PIG.
Posted by: librul | May 1 2024 22:42 utc | 130
It turns out last nights violent counter protest at UCLA were local jews with no conection to the University.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 1 2024 22:52 utc | 131
Then police, firemen, paramedics, and nurses have always been highly respected in the uk, doctors too… Hardly anyone likes any of the politicians, their corruption,- they are regularly bribed and blackmailed, often by extremely rich foreign powers, such that they do not represent us, and are not doing the job, we pay them to do in our taxes.
Posted by: tonyopmoc | May 1 2024 22:59 utc | 132
Was going to post clips of local reporting from the region but it is all very confused, as in everything and nothing going on at once, depending who they are quoting.
Sort of eerie in a way.
Posted by: Ornot | May 1 2024 22:59 utc | 133
This guy gets it right:
https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1785689775057346963
The corporate media is doing the exact same thing as they always do. Surprisingly, Reuters gets it right.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 22:59 utc | 134
Posted by: tonyopmoc | May 1 2024 22:59 utc | 132
Firemen and paramedics are highly respected here, and very underpaid. I don’t even have to look it up to know that cops in the UK shoot and kill far fewer unarmed citizens than US cops do. A(US)CAB.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 23:00 utc | 135
The UCLA pro palistine protest camp is still there and the administers of the uni is happy for them to remain.
Tha administers of tbis Uni are considering de investing from Israel.
So thats that then.
Class half full.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 1 2024 23:02 utc | 136
Tonyopmoc @ 127
The police in the uk are totaly dispised by most of the uk with good reason. The only job they do is protect the rich.
Ther are no good ones, the ones that apear to be good arent becouse they dont shop the bad ones.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 1 2024 23:14 utc | 137
Meanwhile back on the Southern Front:
…… AL-QASSAM BRIGADES: The Al-Qassam Brigades announced that they bombed crowds of Israeli occupation forces near Kibbutz “Holeit” with a 114 mm short-range rocket system……..
Comment ; as long as the Arabs can continue to attack and raid the IDF outside the Gaza Fence – the Likud’s (concentration camp surrounded by a 800 meter killing zone) strategy is failing
Posted by: Exile | May 1 2024 23:15 utc | 138
The University anti Israel protest camps are spreading on a massive scale all over america now.
Similar protests ars also expanding into the wider comunitys.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 1 2024 23:19 utc | 139
When both my kids, were old enough to vote, I spent nearly an hour trying to convince them to vote, using every argument I could think of, like just go back to the local school you went when young to observe the process..you might meet some old frinds. They were in fact highly politically aware, and my wife and I had earlier signed some nomination papers.
My 18 year old daughter said “Dad please do not vote for any of these horrible people”
She knew them better than me.
Posted by: tonyopmoc | May 1 2024 23:23 utc | 140
As your trusty reporter from the UK.
I can report that anti Israel camps have started in Universitys of Liverpool, Leeds and Bristol. More are rumored to follow.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 1 2024 23:29 utc | 141
@Formerly Miss Lacy | May 1 2024 21:47 utc | 121
‘ “The Blood Never Dried” by John Newsinger. It’s amazing how many Lords and Ladies got their start with flithy lucre from the Opium Wars.’ etc. and one could add in the Slave Trade where massive fortunes were made and the Estates are still in same family ownerships mostly ….
Worth noting that it continues – direct from the British to the American and on to the Israelis ….. e.g. the British in Palestine used torture, human shields, and demolished buildings belonging to Arab militants etc mayhem and butchery – The Brits called it ‘putting manners on the natives’ – the Zionists call it ‘mowing the grass’ – and the Americans call it ‘the rules-based order’ (sic) … same play-book – assumed superiority and exceptionalism to justify all and everything …
I won’t repeat what ‘the other Irish fella’ said about all this – the children might be reading and ‘b’ doesn’t allow violence in his bar!
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 1 2024 23:29 utc | 142
Posted by: ak74 | May 1 2024 15:57 utc | 80
‘The British are just like their American cousins as they both try to disguise their genocidal imperialist character with propaganda boasting about their fake ideals of “democracy and freedom”.’
Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | May 1 2024 23:44 utc | 143
Posted by: Giyane | May 1 2024 22:39 utc | 129
Wow “Hello” I just love most of the stuff you write.
I would love to have an argument, with you or anyone like in the old days, when you could write whatever you wanted to just like a stream of conscious amd not giving a fck if anyone understood your words ………
before they were deleted….However, cos I am not allowed to have a conversation possibly because of AI deletion.
I still read you even though > 90% of the stuff I write is deleted. I occassionaly check a few days or weeks back…
The Moderator has just published My Best
Posted by: tonyopmoc | May 1 2024 23:52 utc | 144
Karlof and Pyschohistorian, U of O had a big May Day event over 300 people came to support labor and the camp at the UNI which has doubled in size from when I was there on Monday. The speakers were really good on the whole. The first time I have heard basically a call to revolution, and a really good putting together of the MIC and the connection to Universities, and genocide.
Posted by: Susan | May 1 2024 23:57 utc | 145
Susan | May 1 2024 23:57 utc | 145–
Thanks for your report Susan. As the weather improves and word gets out, more people should show.
What is the evidence that the counterdemonstrators at UCLA were local Jews?
If they were, they must have been organized somehow. My guess would be by some radical synagogue. (We have some of those here in suburban Maryland.) Or is the Jewish Defense League (Kahane’s old outfit) still in existence?
Posted by: Lysias | May 2 2024 0:18 utc | 147
So so so proud of these students who are standing up to protest against the genocide their government(s) is/are aiding and abetting. So grateful to them all. Our Iowa State University students got started today and I have loveleaks in my eyes.
Goodness love and bless these fine heroes!
Same to the adults here at MOA who have been, and keep on lifting your voices and putting your feet on the streets.
Bless b as well
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | May 2 2024 0:20 utc | 148
Whilst my girl and me moved to London from Manchester in 1981, cos they fired me – and she said come on..It wasn’t until, I got “fired” again in 1995, that they threw me in the deep end. I knew next fck all about UNIX…and DOS…but I passed the comptency based interview – I had been practcicing it with my collegues and my boss…(almost all of us were about to be fired.)
They said this is you computer it runs Windows 95, and you will be conected to your home by ISDN and this is a Mobile phone…Do you want a company car, and full hotel expenses…No – how much do you pay per mile, and every night, where you want me to go, I spend the night with my wife and kids…They said O.K. you are close to Gatwick Airport – so you can Fly.
I had a wife, and two kids to support..and it just kind of worked..
Posted by: tonyopmoc | May 2 2024 0:25 utc | 149
@ Susan | May 1 2024 23:57 utc | 145 with the UO report….thanks
I agree with others that have stated that us adults need to stand with the youth to the extent we can to show support.
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 2 2024 0:49 utc | 150
Posted by: librul | May 1 2024 15:08 utc | 70
I noticed as well the hasbara tried a new tactic. They all bleat how the protestors are disrupting normal students and how dare they refuse entry , only facists do that to well paying students. The shutting of food pantry or other services is so unfair to non protestors, Then they speak of an anti Semitic cult forming like the racist BLM and see how that ended up because police wouldn’t beat them up properly. Anyway the same names popped up with what I saw was unusual angle on the talking points for domestic consumption
Posted by: Hankster | May 2 2024 0:50 utc | 151
Or is the Jewish Defense League (Kahane’s old outfit) still in existence?
Posted by: Lysias | May 2 2024 0:18 utc | 147
I was wondering this myself!!
Anyone know anything about a JDL resurgence?
Would not surprise me at all.
Same situation here. It’s not rational or logical. Same thing with abortion. They’re fine with US bombs and missiles murdering babies both born and unborn in any of “our” wars abroad. Just not here.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 21:43 utc | 120
Oh poor Tom, how could you possibly fail to realize that those are, terrorist babies! They could possibly stop the third temple and the rapture! Because somehow a supposed all powerful “God” is bound by all these silly ritualistic rules. /sarc
It’s a tough nut to crack. I slaved away my whole life to be able to afford my little chunk of heaven. I live on waterfront property in a very small house in a bird sanctuary with my beloved wife and our dogs, chickens, birds, turtles, snakes, fish… you get the idea.
The only problem is I’m surrounded by psychopaths!!
(This isn’t 100% true, I do have some really good neighbors. One of them worked for Lockheed, broke down from a moral crisis from what he did, aerospace engineer. He is a cartoon. He looks EXACTLY like Santa Claus and is the kindest person you will ever meet.)
Still tough though, I try to plant my seeds when i find fertile ground.
Posted by: Archetypex | May 2 2024 1:03 utc | 152
Your soul is what’s left when your girlfriend comes home, and you tell her, I have given all our money away to Live Aid.
Posted by: tonyopmoc | May 2 2024 1:22 utc | 153
tonyopmoc @ 153
That might be Betar. Its all hands on deck for the Zionists
Zionist century: Betar movement holds 100-year anniversary celebration
Posted by: circumspect | May 2 2024 1:47 utc | 154
Yes, psychohistorian at 150, we less robust elders need to step up and do something as well. 🙂
I don’t know if us mailing onions to the Rafah crossing will create a pile of onions to eclipse the sun (spilling over the fence to feed some starving people), but something needs to be done.
What can we do for the retired, work at home, and disabled to do? 🙂 I saw them peacefully hold up posters at major town intersections’ sidewalk corners for a few hours every weekday for other issues dear to them. Why not try it again? Or are there better ideas?
Posted by: titmouse | May 2 2024 1:49 utc | 155
Your soul is what’s left when your girlfriend comes home, and you tell her, I have given all our money away to Live Aid.
Posted by: tonyopmoc | May 2 2024 1:22 utc | 153
Did you do that, Tony? 😉
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 2 2024 2:17 utc | 156
Titmouse if you can afford it give a little to legal aid groups who will represent these kids. CLDC in Eugene OR. And Palestinians legal in NY are 2 good place. Also giving food donations to the university camps.
Posted by: Susan | May 2 2024 2:25 utc | 157
As pessimistic as I am the boycott is picking up allies. Where are the Gulf States? Left to be embarrassed by South America.
Bogota cuts ties with Israel over ‘genocidal’ Gaza campaign
Posted by: circumspect | May 2 2024 2:51 utc | 158
What is the evidence that the counterdemonstrators at UCLA were local Jews?
Most likely Jewish mafia, which runs LA (and the US gov). Go back and review the Project Veritas report on Kevin Creamer, Jewish mobster married to a Mossad US congresswoman. Creamer was given the task to supply thugs to bust up Trump rallies in 2016.
Posted by: JackG | May 2 2024 3:35 utc | 159
Also related, check out the Jewish thugs that Kyle Rittenhouse shot after they attacked him. Non-local Jews.
Posted by: JackG | May 2 2024 3:37 utc | 160
Posted by: Archetypex | May 2 2024 1:03 utc | 152
I get you, man. I actually like 90% of my neighbors quite a bit. Hope I’m not jinxing anything there. No idea what kind of Orwellian brainwashing I might encounter if things like Israel-Gaza actually came up in conversation, though. Worked with a woman – US Army Apache helicopter pilot, actually – who was a big time Trump fan, so I assumed she’d be up to speed on the real situation in Ukraine. Nope. No different than any of my brainwashed liberal friends and family. Putler Evil. End of story. Same with China.
At the end of the day, ya gotta give our narrative managers credit I guess. The fuckin’ propaganda works.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 2 2024 3:58 utc | 162
Posted by: Lysias | May 2 2024 0:18 utc | 147
For one thing they’re on video speaking in Hebrew and waving some Jewish extremist group’s flag on the way to the protests.
For another, this guy.
https://www.thesportster.com/boxing-david-kaminsky-reportedly-seen-spitting-and-using-the-n-word-at-protest/
This has Mossad and Jewish Mafia written all over it. And the media struggles to figure out how to smear the actual UCLA students who are camped out peacefully when there is literal video of the before-during-after attempts to turn things violent by nasty Zionist thugs, who certainly are being paid and paid well.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 2 2024 4:01 utc | 163
Hello everyone….let us not forget the late great Alfred Lilienthal and his very hard to get books…who published in readers digest…June ’48 ” why Israel’s flag is not mine” a truly prophetic and prolific anti-zionist author…
Posted by: Prometheus1200bc | May 2 2024 4:34 utc | 164
@ Prometheus1200bc | May 2 2024 4:34 utc | 164
Most of Lilienthal’s books can be downloaded as pdfs for free at https://libgen.is/search.php?req=alfred+lilienthal&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=author .
Posted by: Cabe | May 2 2024 4:48 utc | 165
Abier
@abierkhatib
I’m certain he doesn’t even know why he hates Palestinians.
UNC cop was videoed spitting on a Palestinian flag.
https://twitter.com/abierkhatib/status/1785721179971395622
Posted by: Menz | May 2 2024 6:03 utc | 166
Lowkey
@Lowkey0nline
It has been confirmed that Sangita Myska has been axed by LBC and it seems this was her last show.
She has now been replaced by Vanessa Feltz, who has a history of campaigning for Israel.
https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1785658784578195570
Posted by: Menz | May 2 2024 6:04 utc | 167
Sulaiman Ahmed
@ShaykhSulaiman
DAILY LIFE FOR PALESTINIANS UNDER APARTHEID ISRAEL
https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1785640058613117246
Posted by: Menz | May 2 2024 6:04 utc | 168
Interesting if true indicates the US is willing to sacrifice itself for the genocidal state of Israel. These are strange times indeed.
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | May 1 2024 8:55 utc | 4
You’re assuming that the US is currently being led by those who have its best interests at heart.
Glad you’re back b
Posted by: Delhiliterally | May 2 2024 6:42 utc | 169
“NYPD arrests 280+ protesters at Columbia University amid Gaza protests | LiveNOW from FOX”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAldbkKEYLs (length: 3 minutes)
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“Violence AGAINST Anti-War Student Protesters Escalates Across The US”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJj2aVEzles (length: 10 minutes)
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“Hundreds arrested after Gaza clashes sweep US campuses”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVUzLfKUAAU
Search with the words e.g. “Protests gaza” on YouTube and a number of videos show up.
Posted by: WMG | May 2 2024 7:26 utc | 170
My heart goes out ot the protesters and wish them stay safe and sound, much respect for their courage, I hope no one is harmed (seriously), I fear for them all.
And I note how small these are and that unlike other protest movements there is no widespread popular support for them …. there are no hundreds of thousands on mass street marches backing them up, and that is why I fear for them the most …. Peace all.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 7:46 utc | 171
This covering UCLA Live …. awaiting police to start evicting protesters, the students have been ordered to vacate the location …. though no action at present.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U37hA_jMJFg
this where violent counter-protesters pro-zionist israeli goons attacked the Pro-Peace Pro-Palestine encampment.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 7:49 utc | 172
And I note how small these are and that unlike other protest movements there is no widespread popular support for them …. there are no hundreds of thousands on mass street marches backing them up, and that is why I fear for them the most …. Peace all.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 7:46 utc | 171
No widespread support? Just you and me, eh Dog? Hold on, it’s comin’…
Posted by: Gene Poole | May 2 2024 7:58 utc | 173
123
eustace mullins spent his life in libraries of congress and was a friend of ezra pound.
an outsider collecting insider data.
anthony c sutton was insider academic who was meant to enhance polish lie like nial ferguson on his rothschild book.
sutton went off the reservation and was silenced.
quigley was super connected
Carroll Quigley was an insider his other book dense and a revelation of the methods strategy plan for the world
Tragedy And Hope; A History Of The World In Our Time,
a regular watch on you tube of eustace mullins of anthony c sutton always enriches
archive.org has many books electronic books
Posted by: todd | May 2 2024 8:02 utc | 174
Re: brutal crackdown on peaceful dissent
It’s a reasonable prediction that the 86% of under 18-30 year olds who are anti-genocide will only harden their opinions after the last few days.
The under 30s are networked via independent media like you wouldn’t believe. Expect the anti-genocide movement to (chaotically) grow exponentially over the next few months.
Julianna will be asking us during this Holy Week to pray for peace. We should all join her in prayer for peace.
SFSN
Posted by: Exile | May 2 2024 8:04 utc | 175
Any police crack down on pro palistine protesters / camps. Is a postive sign of thier desperation, the police ect are losing control of the overall situation, you cant hide realality, reality will expose lies.
What ever happens at Columbia uni or the UCLA
Those students will be a legend from here on.
If the media tell you its over understand its esculating. Simple. They lie. Duh.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 2 2024 8:40 utc | 176
In August 1985 I was a Masters student at Cape Town. I was upset by the declaration of a state of emergency so I’d joined an anti-conscription movement and felt very smug about it. But I wasn’t really committed until I wandered up through the campus rose garden one morning and suddenly realised that everybody around me was talking about how the riot police had attacked an on-campus march in that garden a few hours earlier for protesting against the emergency and the troops in the townships.
You don’t have to be beaten up or arrested yourself. You just have to see that the system is ready to beat you up and arrest you for standing up for your own beliefs. That opens your eyes.
Posted by: MFB | May 2 2024 8:44 utc | 177
This protes topic is on b’s palistine posts, and rightly so. But i can see a time, soon. It would be better on a thread of its own.
Its big geo pol, its going to clash with the election, after Ukraine and the Middle East this is a new major conflict zone. One i embrase. Any feed back ?
Posted by: Mark2 | May 2 2024 8:57 utc | 178
One of the extreme right israeli assholes mentioned Amalek again yesterday…. maybe it is time to remind him who really were the Amaliqa.
An important Yemenite tribe.
Posted by: Minaa | May 1 2024 20:06 utc | 109
Isn’t it “funny” that Isrseöi deny that Palestinians are not a people, which supposedly gives them the license to kill them without committing genocide. Yet they are eager to identify this or that people including the Palestinisans as Amalek, which on the other hand does give them the license to commit genocide. What adds to this “funniness” is that the injunction to destroy Amalek was issued in around 1000 BCE, which is when 1 Samuel was probably written. Needless to say that injunction may not be in force today – not to mention that Israel itself could be Amalek given the extent to which the identitification is in flux. After all, it has been said by a rabbi that Germany could be Amalek.
Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 9:12 utc | 179
We should all join her in prayer for peace.
Posted by: Exile | May 2 2024 8:04 utc | 175
I can understand a desire for Peace to come over Gaza for some respite there.
But everywhere else the tables in the temple need to be thrown around and turned upside down violently.
This is not a time for Peace.. but for Revolution and social upheaval and the cabals everywhere taken down.
But there is no organization around such a thing so it is not going to happen anywhere. All we have are some college campuses in the US doing a “camp in” protest. The public in the west are NOT behind these protests but are still behind Israel.
This is nothing of what is required to make genuine change and the psychopathic elites attention and fear. nor to bring down the actions of the Outlaw US empire and it’s satrapies and scum zionist regime in occupied Palestine territories.
What is happening to date with “protests” amounts to next to nothing. These will all be put down and violently so by the police no different than Jan 6th was easily stopped …and the thousands thrown into prison for years.
Who is bringing in a ONE state solution for the Palestinians and an end to the Zionist project?
No one is. There is no sustained substantial global outrage occurring anywhere. imho this is nothing like the anti-Vietnam, anti-racist civil rights movements, or anti-apartheid protest eras.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 9:18 utc | 180
Gaudium et Spes from the Vatican in 1965:
The horror and perversity of war is immensely magnified by the addition of scientific weapons. For acts of war involving these weapons can inflict massive and indiscriminate destruction, thus going far beyond the bounds of legitimate defense.
Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 9:19 utc | 181
Nothing was written in hebrew or aramaic in 1000 bc
Rather 700 years later
Posted by: Minaa | May 2 2024 9:25 utc | 183
Are Russians doing street protests over Gaza? No.
Are the Chinese protesting a lack of govt support for Gaza? No.
Are the Indians on the streets or in campuses protesting Zionist Israel genocide? No
Are the Japanese, the Koreans, the Thais or Indonesians an Malay people out protesting over Gaza and Zionist genocide? Nope.
Iran? No. Iraq or Egypt? No. Are the south African blacks on the streets marching demanding Israel stop it’s genocide and apartheid regime? Nope.
Anyone is Australia protesting … barely a handful now and then, usually arabs from Lebanon, Hezbollah supporters.
College protests in Australia and New Zealand? Nope. Any aboriginals protesting for an end to the Gaza genocide? None I have seen. Brazil? Nothing. Mexico nothing. Canada? nothing.
The UK, and France and Spain and Germany? Nada. Sweden Greece and Finland and Romania or Serbia? Nothing.
How about Saudis and the UAE? How’s the protesting going there and in Tunisia? Oh not a thing.
Sorry.
Be positive, sure, but be realistic and objective too. lest you lose your heads.
What difference will it make whoever wins the US elections in November? Absolutely no difference at all.
Because Jill Stein has absolutely zero chance of winning the presidency and an ounce of humanity and sanity returning to the white house.
There is no peaceful solution to the worlds current predicament. Only more of the same.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 9:29 utc | 184
There were far larger more sustained street protests globally against GULF WAR I in 1991 than what is happening or might happen over Gaza and those murderous psychopaths in Israel and their GENOCIDAL ACTS today — I think a little realism can only help everyone. Face the truth of what is really happening — nothing to gain by pretending.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 9:35 utc | 185
Important Fact – Iraq Gulf War I in 1991, there were only 5.4 billion people on this earth, not 8.1 billion like today.
What a shame Suddam Hussein didn’t have the weapons to destroy that evil Genocidal Israeli Zionist Regime then and there…. and defeat the US militarily at the same time.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 9:40 utc | 186
Anyone is Australia protesting … barely a handful now and then, usually arabs from Lebanon, Hezbollah supporters.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 9:29 utc | 184
A university-based pro-Palestinian protest movement that has made headlines in the United States is being mirrored in Australia.
Encampments have sprung up at campuses in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Canberra, with participants calling on their teaching institutions to disclose and cut ties with weapons manufacturers they say are supplying arms to Israel.
In Victoria, some protests have become heated, with a counter-rally of pro-Israel supporters gathering near the University of Melbourne on Thursday.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-02/australian-encampment-protests-columbia-university-israel-gaza/103794882
Posted by: Menz | May 2 2024 9:46 utc | 187
Mercenaries fighting receives about 3,900 euros ($4,187) a weekly salary:
Israel uses foreign mercenaries in Gaza
The international community is not only silent about Israel’s genocide but also sends foreign mercenaries to fight alongside Israel Defense Forces (IDF) in Gaza.
The IDF summoned hundreds of reserve soldiers to reinforce its ranks in preparation for its ground attack on the Gaza Strip. To bolster their Israeli ranks the IDF promoted an influx of people holding Israeli passports and living in foreign countries.
However, the Spanish newspaper, El Mundo, reported that Tel Aviv contacted international security contractors to provide fighters to perform military tasks during its ongoing war in Gaza.
Pedro Diaz Flores Corrales, aged 27 years, is a former soldier in the Spanish army and had previously fought as a mercenary in both Ukraine and Iraq. In addition to this, he is known for belonging to a fascist political group, the so-called Neo-Nazi movement, according to the Middle East website ‘Monitor’.
The group is involved in illicit arms trafficking, as well as mercenary exploitation.
Corrales justified his decision to fight alongside the IDF, and said that each participant in the fighting receives about 3,900 euros ($4,187) a weekly salary, and perks associated with the tasks they perform.
El Mundo reported that it had seen pictures of Corrales surrounded by mercenaries of different nationalities, including French, Germans, and Albanians, and even American Marines or members of the Special Forces who fought in Iraq, Afghanistan, Mali, or Kosovo.
Last October, French media circulated news about a large number of French fighters joining the fight alongside the IDF.
A report by the Euro-Mediterranean Observatory revealed in the past the presence of hundreds of European mercenaries who volunteer for military service in the ranks of the IDF, as part of special forces, especially in the Gaza Strip.
Organizations directly linked to right-wing Jewish and Christian groups within Europe are organizing projects and campaigns to invite Europeans to join the IDF, as well as to join campaigns to support illegal settler operations against Palestinians in the West Bank.
Intending to use them in tunnels of Hamas, Israel offers Kurdish PKK terrorists $ 2,200 to join the frontlines in its genocidal war against Palestinians with thousands of terrorists and mercenaries already transported to Israel.
LINK TO ARTICLE
Posted by: Menz | May 2 2024 10:05 utc | 188
Posted by: Menz | May 2 2024 9:46 utc | 187
Thanks for the info. (I spoke too soon, should have checked, my bad) Good for them. Maybe barely a hundred students tops australia wide? I do wish them well, I really do.
If Covid protests were anything to go by they won’t last long. We’ll see. The background noise is definitely pro-israeli zionists. I’ll do some research and find out. Cheers LD
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 10:06 utc | 189
Australia has a small population, with an even smaller number of local Uni Students. Last I read, there are 700,000 international students studying at Australian tertiary institutions.
Posted by: Menz | May 2 2024 10:10 utc | 190
Lavrov’s Dog @ above comments
I hear what you say. Keep balanced, how this plays out is in our hands.
A worse case, nucular.
A best case, we win.
Or more realisticly some thing in between. So you see we agree. But but as a positive
person, who likes to diagnose things and resolve problems, iv analised that middle ground. And i can tell you. I can see a clear way forward highly do able. And desirable.
I’m dead busy at the momment my bug out truck is in for an upgrade, just in case.
But i will be back on this thread, for a good debate on my posative way forward.
Respect.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 2 2024 10:18 utc | 191
Remember Hong Kong in 2019?
WHO DEFENDED THE STUDENTS PROTEST ACTIONS?
Beijing’s ambassador to Britain Liu Xiaoming told a London press conference on Monday that China will not simply sit back and watch if months of protests in Hong Kong develop into an “uncontrollable” situation.
“If the situation becomes uncontrollable, the central government would certainly not sit on our hands and watch. We have enough resolution and power to end the unrest,” he said.
Mr Liu also warned against “external interference” in internal Chinese affairs, singling out Britain and the United States and accusing them of condoning violence by protesters.
“Some Western countries have publicly supported extreme violent offenders,” he said.
“The US House of Representatives adopted the so-called Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act to blatantly interfere in Hong Kong affairs, which are China’s internal affairs.
“The British government and the foreign affairs committee of the House of Commons published China-related reports making irresponsible remarks on Hong Kong.”
The European Commission on Monday called on law enforcement authorities in Hong Kong to keep their action “strictly proportionate”.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/hong-kong-police-seal-off-university-amid-fears-of-crackdown
Meanwhile, Beijing’s rhetoric has become increasingly tough on the situation, moving from calling the protesters “rioters” to saying their actions showed “signs of terrorism.” State media agency Xinhua warned in a recent commentary that “the end is coming for those attempting to disrupt Hong Kong and antagonize China.”
These Hong Kong-mainland hostilities aren’t new on campuses.
Even before the protests began, mainland and local students tended to stay separate, said Siu, the City University student union leader. Siu added that each year a handful of mainland students try to tear down posters critical of the Chinese government.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/05/asia/hong-kong-student-protests-school-intl-hnk/index.html
NOT ONLY CHINA …
2019 IN Santiago, Chile – The hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions, of protesters who took to the streets in countries across the Americas last year were met with violent crackdown, with governments often using measures in “flagrant disregard for their obligations under domestic and international law”, Amnesty International said on Thursday as it released its annual report for the region.
The 2019 review depicts a region where citizens were attacked for protesting and defending human and environmental rights across many countries.
The tsunami of protests that swept across Latin America and the Caribbean last year were often met by repressive and increasingly militarised tactics, Amnesty said.
The year was marked by states’ inability to channel people’s discontent and demands for their rights, the rights group said. Instead, they resorted to repression and excessive use of force, including intentionally lethal force, the report said.
In Chile, the army and police were found to deliberately injure protesters taking part in nationwide demonstrations against inequality.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/2/27/2019-saw-violent-crackdown-on-protesters-across-americas-amnesty
WHAT WILL THE WESTERN GOVTS DO TO STUDENT/MASS PROTESTS AGAINST THE ZIONIST GENOCIDE IN PALESTINE?
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 10:29 utc | 192
An Egypt firm is making $2m a day from Palestinians fleeing Israel’s war on Gaza
A company owned by an influential Egyptian businessman and ally of President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi is making around $2m a day from Palestinians fleeing Israel’s war on Gaza, Middle East Eye can reveal.
Hala Consulting and Tourism Services, a firm owned by Sinai tribal leader and business tycoon Ibrahim al-Organi, has been charging Palestinians crossing from Gaza’s Rafah to Egypt at least $5,000 per adult and $2,500 for children under 16.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/egypt-firm-palestinians-fleeing-war-gaza
Posted by: Menz | May 2 2024 10:33 utc | 193
Re: IDF needing to hire beaucoup Mercs:
Sign that 1) battle isn’t going well for the IDF and 2) Israelis aren’t volunteering
Posted by: Exile | May 2 2024 10:34 utc | 194
Ok i can’t leave it hanging in the air like that, and i want to clear it out my head frankly. Cut to the chase….
The conflict in palistine wont be solved in the middle east, so forget it.
It will be solved in America becuse thats were it comes from, right ?
The students have already exposed the achillese heel , right ?
The funding conections of….Israel + universitys + all walks of US control positiins not least polatitians and the mic and media. Right ?
This year are the elections two choices. No choicse. A dueopoly, right ?
Heres ths deal….
My cristal ball says we need to kick up a hell of a stink, and rightly so. We need to kick off big time.
Heres the light at the end if the tunnel.
We will never get rid of the dems or repubs forget it, aient going to happen ever right ?
But what we ALL can do, is forcse a PURGE of both partys. Top down. Lets call that sanity.
Im outa here
Posted by: Mark2 | May 2 2024 10:48 utc | 195
Intending to use them in tunnels of Hamas, Israel offers Kurdish PKK terrorists $ 2,200 to join the frontlines in its genocidal war against Palestinians with thousands of terrorists and mercenaries already transported to Israel.
Posted by: Menz | May 2 2024 10:05 utc | 188
Although it’s probably true in some fashion – there’s considerable enthusiasm for Israel in Iraqi Kurdistan (cos detest the Arabs), but the source quoted by the Strategic Culture Foundation article can’t be right (tasnim news in Arabic) when it says there are 200k Kurdish Jews. I’d be surprised if there are as many as 200 Kurdish Jews today, after Israel whipped them up to leave in 1950-51. Apart of course from the Israeli spooks working from Erbil. Even if there were any Jews, they wouldn’t go and do for Israel. Mercs are men who either like killing, or are desperate for money, and can’t earn any other way.
Posted by: laguerre | May 2 2024 10:59 utc | 196
Lavrov’s Dog | May 2 2024 9:18 utc | 180
This is not a time for Peace.. but for Revolution…
In fact, there is no peace.
The revolution is underway, and even televised, but being antithetical to the desire for peace, is difficult and awkward to implement. You need a generation or so, so it’s good to start young, like when you’re a student (and the State is weak, the overlords spooked).
Barking at the moon is rambunctious, but useless.
Posted by: john | May 2 2024 11:18 utc | 197
The revolution is underway and it is the “elites” that are busy gutting the institutions and ideas such as democracy. How to respond? Are progressives in need of becoming today’s reactionaries? The woke kind of progressivism is subservient to the elites mentioned above.
Posted by: Jonathan W | May 2 2024 11:59 utc | 198
Posted by: Joy N. | May 2 2024 10:11 utc | 191
I do apologise if it doth offend, but the bible is largely a random composit of previous religious cults, random (and occasionally accurate) historicism, and abject bollocks.
Yeah, sure, there is a subtle core of good lessons to be taken on-board in some of the teachings, but it isn’t anything that an average kid hasn’t figured out by and for themselves by the age of ten.
Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 2 2024 12:02 utc | 199
I no longer use the fake name I****L for the Illegal Apartheid Entity inThe Levant and Near East.
It is a slave name.
A imperial name like Rhodesia was.
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Facilitated and occupied by the European serfs who also are the disposable masses of the Ancient Masters and Families who own everything and created Money as the ultimate super weapon many centuries ago.
A weapon that is turning to dust in their hands by the Righteous Shields of the Multipolar World that is uniting against the Ancient Slavers and Murdering Robber barons and their minions (that’s us btw)
Now at the end of so many hundreds of years, of such avarice and enslavement of the non European humanity.
Their Cancel Culture must have tables turned against it.
I urge everyone to do the same for that illegal apartheid entity that blights humanity; by making it the LAST AngloEuropean Imperial colonial project.
Start by cancelling its Slave Name. Call it what it is – an imperialist colonial project occupied by illegal settlers that must return to where they or their families arrived from or whichever imperial entity will have them as citizens.
Haven’t said it for a week or so , to our Hasbarats , the ship is sinking as the Titanic did. Don’t waste your time rearranging deck chairs – LEAVE NOW , while you can in an organised manner. Or Leave with a few weeks notice carrying only what you can and what you hide in your stomachs.
Or you will perish where you stand as illegal murderous invaders as Humanity comes to stop your genocide of native peoples and stealing of their land. As the Rhodesians did as Formosa did… as all such now independent nations have done in reclaiming their lands and resources.
Posted by: DunGroanin | May 2 2024 12:16 utc | 200