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May 1, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-126
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I am wondering why people are arguing that the ‘activities’ in Gaza do have a subgoal in order to confiscate the rich oil/gas field in front of the shore. I am wondering why the horrible actions we have witnessed are needed for the confiscation as so many things have been confiscated from Palestine without any consequences (and still counting with settler villages in the West bank..)? Can anybody explain this to me?
Posted by: wm82 | May 1 2024 8:15 utc | 1
Wm82
Not only accaparing resources but the maniac delusional apocalyptic promise about building a temple, enslaving the rest of the earth etc, that is fully part of the Isr extreme right platform.
Too taboo to be discussed in the West because based on the same “scriptures” they sell to their own “modern and secular” jews and christians, and still busy to sell the same scriptures to new converts in Asia, Africa and South America via the protestant sects.
Sects are making billions in alms and donations.
Posted by: Minaa | May 1 2024 8:45 utc | 3
Noticed on Zero Hedge that an additional $3.5B was silently included in the massive funding bill specifically for Middle East immigration. One might assume this is a Hail Mary to move Gazans into the US as one solution to the problem. Interesting if true indicates the US is willing to sacrifice itself for the genocidal state of Israel. These are strange times indeed.
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | May 1 2024 8:55 utc | 4
Good to see you back b. Many, including me were worried about you.
Posted by: Menz | May 1 2024 8:57 utc | 5
Can anybody explain this to me?
Posted by: wm82 | May 1 2024 8:15 utc | 1
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The Israel State is run by a set of Messianic lunatics who believe
1. They are God’s “Chosen People”
2. Israel is the “Promised Land” … promised to them by God.
US Imperialism plays up to this hokum in order to use Israel as its proxy to control the oil-rich Middle East.
[Just like it uses Ukraine as its proxy to attack and weaken Russia]
The rest of us recognise it for the hokum that it clearly is and look forward to a better world.
Long Live Palestine !
Posted by: Engineer-John | May 1 2024 9:00 utc | 6
ICJ rejects Nicaragua’s request to halt German arms sales to Israel
The UN’s top court has thrown out Nicaragua’s request to halt German arms sales to Israel. In its ruling the ICJ said the circumstances, as they present themselves now, do not require the exercise of power. However, the court said it remains “deeply concerned about the catastrophic living conditions” in Gaza and reminded all countries they have an obligation to abide by international law.
Posted by: Newbie | May 1 2024 9:20 utc | 7
“When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
Suppressed News. @SuppressedNws – April 29, 2024
Watch the peaceful Zionist pro-Israel counterprotest and their remarks addressing the pro-Palestine protesters.
📍UCLA.
https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1784954174448234699
Just now the Zionist mob is attacking the Student Intifada camp at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Memo Torres 🌮 @el_tragon_de_LA
A large group of Pro Israeli agitators surround a Pro Palestinian student hitting him with sticks while yelling “there’s no place for you in this world” eventually taking him to the ground and beating him.
https://twitter.com/el_tragon_de_LA/status/1785578121322000598
People’s City Council – Los Angeles @PplsCityCouncil
Zionist freaks continue to tear down the barricades and pepper spray UCLA students in the encampment.
Students continue to hold the line and WILL NOT leave the camp. Fuck the Zionists and ALL POWER TO THE STUDENTS!
https://twitter.com/PplsCityCouncil/status/1785589787191349709
🇺🇸ProudArmyBrat @leslibless
Just now: LAPD has finally arrived at UCLA. The pro-America side is chanting “USA!”
They’ll probably be arrested now, considering LA is a woke sewer!
https://twitter.com/leslibless/status/1785593908732248123
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 1 2024 9:21 utc | 8
The US Empire deployed its Israeli trained and militarized local police forces to violently crush the Occupy Wall Street Movement. Obama administration coordinated that attack.
They are doing exactly the same thing right now.
The US is a thinly veiled police state, with these repressive tactics supported by liberals and supported or not opposed by virtually all liberal institutions.
Posted by: bill wolfe | May 1 2024 9:26 utc | 9
Posted by: wm82 | May 1 2024 8:15 utc | 1
I don’t see why Israeli policy should be about the Gaza gas/oil field, seeing as they’re already exploiting it (have “confiscated” it). There was never any plan to give Gaza real independence, with obligation to return the rights. Israeli policy in Gaza is not about that, but eliminating the pesky Gazans, under the lunatic ideologies mentioned above.
Posted by: laguerre | May 1 2024 9:55 utc | 10
Israeli settlers attack humanitarian aid trucks on the way to the Gaza Strip.
@PalHighlight
Posted by: Framarz | May 1 2024 10:07 utc | 11
Old Microbiologist | May 1 2024 8:55 utc | 4
Yes hard to not see that. Millions to relocate middle east migrants. Who is that meant to be syrians? Isis? Of course it’s Palestinians. Buy-Den has capitulated to Israel to take them as no one else will partake in ethnic cleansing
Posted by: Hankster | May 1 2024 10:10 utc | 12
Phew good to see you back b
Was it health, a re charge for inner well- being (we all need that)
Or pressure from we know who.
Or number 4 none of my dammed buseness.
Keep well.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 1 2024 10:21 utc | 13
wm82, 8h15 GMT, The only people who assert that are those for whom all war and conflict can be boiled down to economics, to the accessing of natural resources and space, the dominating of trade routes and so on, completely ignoring or downplaying the central role that ideology and power play have played in the neverending story of warfare.
Posted by: petra | May 1 2024 10:24 utc | 14
B please take down my last post and this one,
Mistery solved.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 1 2024 10:30 utc | 15
From The Guardian:
04.59 EDT
Clashes erupt on University of California campus in Los Angeles
We are restarting our live coverage of the campus protests in the US, where clashes have broken out in the last few hours between rival protest groups at the University of California campus in Los Angeles. Reports on social media said the violence began when pro-Israel demonstrators started attacking the pro-Palestinian camp in the night.
Tensions had been rising on Tuesday evening, after university administrators declared for the first time that the pro-Palestinian encampment on the campus was illegal.
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Posted by: Gene Poole | May 1 2024 10:34 utc | 16
16 ‘rival protest groups’ – correct as far as it goes … these are Jewish Vigilante gropus from outside the college in pre-meditated terrorist assault on peaceful protestors …
Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | May 1 2024 11:21 utc | 17
Hadi Nasrallah
@HadiNasrallah
This is history in the making. For the first time ever we see Israeli settlements destroyed not just Lebanese homes. We see much more Israeli settlers fleeing than Lebanese civilians. We see a security line established on the “Israeli” side not on the Lebanese side. Powerful.
https://twitter.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1785428338011406810
Posted by: Menz | May 1 2024 11:29 utc | 18
I wonder if this will have an effect
Israeli protesters take to the streets of Tel Aviv to demand immediate resignation of Netanyahu government.
🔴 Iran’s Leader: Look at American and European universities!
Pressure on Zionist regime must increase day by day
Posted by: Norwegian | May 1 2024 11:37 utc | 19
Middle East Eye
@MiddleEastEye
While speaking with Piers Morgan on Monday, Egyptian podcaster Rahma Zein responded to concerns that Jewish students feel “threatened” by pro-Palestine protests on American university campuses by saying she was joined by “predominantly Jewish students” at protests she attended.
https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1785313154584678487
Posted by: Menz | May 1 2024 11:47 utc | 20
Striker’s latest on UR posits that Russia and China now realize (and, by implication, will increasingly exploit) the fact that the easiest and smoothest way to take the Outlaw Empire down a bunch of notches, if not all the way down, is, in various ways, to help the AR end the IZ project.
Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygazh | May 1 2024 11:55 utc | 21
A Zionist jack boot has come down on the face of America and it is stomping and stomping and it won’t stop
Posted by: phenon | May 1 2024 12:04 utc | 22
US Bill of Rights
Fourth Article:
The Freedom of Speech, and of the Press, and the right of the People peaceably to assemble, and consult for their common good, and to apply to the Government for a redress of grievances, shall not be infringed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
Posted by: phenon | May 1 2024 12:11 utc | 23
Seventh Article:
The right of the People to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated
Posted by: phenon | May 1 2024 12:13 utc | 24
Nice to see B back in the saddle again…
Here we go, as the temporary pier gets built the evacuation of Gaza is being planned…
Those who pass a series of eligibility, medical and security screenings would qualify to fly to the U.S. with refugee status, which offers beneficiaries permanent residency, resettlement benefits like housing assistance and a path to American citizenship.
While the eligible population is expected to be relatively small, the plans being discussed by U.S. officials could offer a lifeline to some Palestinians fleeing the Israel-Hamas war, which local public health authorities say has claimed the lives of more than 34,000 people and displaced hundreds of thousands of civilians in Gaza.
White House considers welcoming some Palestinians from Gaza as refugees
It will start small, ramp up, then other countries will jump in with offers. Right of return will not be discussed. Those Trump hotels on the beaches of Gaza full of Christian Zionists are coming. They will be sunning themselves on the beaches of Gaza atop the bones of dead Palestinians.
The Zionists will bring in more of their converted core and offer a path to Judaism for the Chrisian Zionists. They have got that part almost completed. The land will be resettled and the West Bank is next. Meawhile, to keep from getting nuked, the Arabs, Persians and Turks will do nothing. Palestinians are bad business to them.
The will kill and hound every male that survives with their biometric AI system across the globe. It just a test for the rest of us who do not comply. The software will be sold to other countries as they perfect their AI system.
Sounds horrible and far fetched? Do not put anything past these people.
Posted by: circumspect | May 1 2024 12:26 utc | 25
From the Guardian’s ongoing coverage (photo caption):
“California Highway Patrol officers don gas masks as they prepare to approach the scenes of violence that broke out when counterprotesters attacked an encampment by supporters of Palestinians in Gaza on the campus of University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA).”
Notice that “violence broke out when counterprotesters attacked…” This separates the violence from the attack, and separates the counterprotestors from the violence. When in fact if the protest was peaceful, the violence WAS the attack and it is the counterprotesters who are violent.
Posted by: Gene Poole | May 1 2024 12:27 utc | 26
Were the LA cops coordinating with the pro-genocide mob? Were the cops using the mob as a strike force, like the IOF uses the settlers to bash the Palestinians in the West Bank?
The answers seem to be yes and it is a major escalation by the genociders. How will the students, faculty and their supporters respond? Will they be cowered by the authorities or will they inspire larger and larger demonstrations?
Posted by: Chas | May 1 2024 12:31 utc | 27
Also from the Guardian:
2h ago
06.42 EDT
Lack of police noted during worst of violence at UCLA
Many commenters noted the lack of LAPD or UCLA campus police presence during the worst of the violence.
According to an eyewitness who spoke to the BBC, a university security team stood back and watched as they thought they could no longer “safely hold” the space between the attackers and the encampment, after a barrier fence was knocked down.
________________________________________
Elsewhere in the Guardian’s coverage, it is suggested that the attackers were well organized. It makes no sense that police would not know about the attack and not intervene.
Posted by: Gene Poole | May 1 2024 12:32 utc | 28
More from the Guardian:
3h ago
06.00 EDT
ABC showed footage of LAPD officers moving to disperse the crowd.
They corralled the pro-Israel counter-protesters and moved them away from the encampment.
No arrests appeared to be made immediately, with officers focusing on separating them from the encampment.
Posted by: Gene Poole | May 1 2024 12:34 utc | 29
Praise the Lord
b
you frightened us
so happy to have you back
Posted by: ld | May 1 2024 12:37 utc | 30
A quick review of the results of a search on “UCLA protests” shows that virtually all the mainstream media refer to “violent clashes” and “scuffles” “breaking out” between pro-Palestine and pro-Israel demonstrators. Al-Jazeera is the sole exception:
…a Palestinian solidarity encampment at the UCLA campus in Los Angeles has been attacked by pro-Israel counter-protesters.
The LA Times had titled: “UCLA campus protests: Counter-protesters attack pro-Palestinian encampmment”, but on clicking on the link the title changes to “Violence breaks out at UCLA after officials declare pro-Palestinian encampment ‘unlawful’” and the word “attack” is nowhere to be found on the page.
History is being made and rewritten as we watch…
Posted by: Gene Poole | May 1 2024 12:47 utc | 32
Can anybody explain this to me?
Posted by: wm82 | May 1 2024 8:15 utc | 1
……………………….
It’s what they do. It’s how they roll. Evil is as evil does. Supremacism. Materialism. Tribalism.
Heartlessness. Greed. Arrogance.
Last but not least: an ancient nomadic tribe’s desert War God to whom regular blood sacrifices must, and have been, made. Contrary to most contemporary beliefs such gods have great power whether or not they exist materially.
Lesser known protest:
NY Times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw4_FdRfXSc
Black Rock: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/U8hSornW938
Google April 12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ASmALU9uPE
If protest end tomorrow, the Israeli “myth” is shattered. The “Zionist” experiment is over. It’s obvious the Generation Zers have no intention to fight another ME war for “Israel”. Can you imagine in any way, US looking to reinstate “draft” at this point in time, for any reason? The MIC must be hemorrhaging, their “end of year” campus “recruitment” taking serious hit now.
The MSM is trying to pretend that these protests are having “little effect” on US support for Israel. That may be true for this geriatric WW2ish generation, however, its obvious within this generation, “Zionism” will be relegated to a mystical minor cult “religion” shunned by the majority.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 1 2024 13:03 utc | 34
Posted by: Gene Poole | May 1 2024 10:34 utc | 16 & 32 see the link
…a Palestinian solidarity encampment at the UCLA campus in Los Angeles has been attacked by pro-Israel counter-protesters.
<== https://www.rt.com/news/596840-us-gaza-protest-clashes/
entitled: “WATCH another US university in chaos over Gaza protest — RT World News” This url has several short videos Israeli side peppers the encamped Palestinian side with what looks to me like tracers or fireworks at the UCLA campus..cops are conspicuously absent. ???
Earlier on Tuesday, a group of pro-Palestine protesters seized a building on Columbia University’s Manhattan campus in New York
Posted by: Chas | May 1 2024 12:31 utc | 27
Were the LA cops coordinating with the pro-genocide mob? Were the cops using the mob as a strike force, like the IOF uses the settlers to bash the Palestinians in the West Bank?
The answers seem to be yes
<= I agree.. All hell is fixing to break out in USA governed America over the ability of Israel and or multi national corporations to use the USA to govern America.
Posted by: snake | May 1 2024 13:10 utc | 35
When do they start bombing american hospitals becouse protesters were in them ?
Posted by: Mark2 | May 1 2024 13:27 utc | 36
<= I agree.. All hell is fixing to break out in USA governed America over the ability of Israel and or multi national corporations to use the USA to govern America. Posted by: snake | May 1 2024 13:10 utc | 35 ........................ Expect this conflict to expand out of the protected campus narrative incubators into the streets and suburbs, with a variety of 'terrorist' groups joining the fray: gangs, ME terrorists, pro migrants voting rights, anti-migrants, anti-Jews, 'White Supremacists', anti-Christian, Intifada, Antifa, BLM etc. Then, inevitably, increasing emergency-police state. With ordinary Americans who object or simply defend themselves getting the harshest treatment. Election Year. Maybe the last one.
When you see protests at Black Rock, Google, NY Times ect as well as multiple states college campuses, what we are witnessing IMO,is an attack on the status quo. The “divest” campaign demand, these are all attacks on the US financial entities, the fortune 500 crowd. The money shift, out of the Zionist mafia into ?? mafia.
Whether it’s blow back from over-exerted financial control system by Zionist mafia in US and genuine, or simply orchestrated wealth/power transfer is hard to tell atm, or a provocation for “crack down” (as Nuttahoo stated) for even further Zionist mafia empowered Nation State (recognizing of course, more than one power mafia exists in US, and perhaps, no longer desire to “share” power?) or a grass roots “we’re finished with this “system”… is difficult to discern atm.
In any consideration, it is certainly spiraling into more than just “GAZA”.
The mistake of executing “force” as being carried out now, will be a huge miscalculation, as this is not 2008 Occupy Wallstreet, it is not the middle of winter, and an entirely new generation, the children of the “Operation Desert Storm” vets, and they seem pretty well informed to me.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 1 2024 13:41 utc | 38
Posted by: Scorpion | May 1 2024 13:36 utc | 37
Other than occasionally crossing the border to San Diego have you ever actually spent more time than a few days in a row inside the USA?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 13:42 utc | 40
My second thought this morning was that an important connection has been made between the children of Gaza and the children of the US. Thanks to you both!
Posted by: juliania | May 1 2024 13:46 utc | 41
I’ll repost a comment by Gyiane from the last palestine thread here verbatim, cause I think it might be straight into the bullseye:
” With armed cops and snipers, something will happen if it goes on long enough. ”
The existence of rooftop snipers signifies only one thing , a colour revolution. Maybe the revolution will be fronted by RFK while we are still thinking he is some kind of independent politician. But whoever he or she is, he or she will be as fully fake as Jelly Baby , the Zionist comedian.
Kaida shaytana dha’eefa.
The devil’s plan is weak. When you recognise the script, you have to reject the planned outcome.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 28 2024 4:08 utc | 332
Posted by: persiflo | May 1 2024 13:46 utc | 42
Posted by: phenon | May 1 2024 12:11 utc | 23
There is no such thing as an article in the US Bill of Rights. They’re amendments.
But yes you are correct that a Ziofascist jackboot stands on our necks.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 13:48 utc | 43
Posted by: persiflo | May 1 2024 13:46 utc | 42
The snipers are a local/state LEA tacit acknowledgement that the feds and Zionist entity are capable of another Crocus and not another Maidan.
Not Americans just don’t get it. Like the old joke. Why will there never be a coup in the USA? Because there’s no US embassy here.
But we are Zionist governed.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 13:53 utc | 44
Never mind the threat from Russia,
Never mind the threat from China.
The United States of America is about to be ‘taken out’ by…..
…….. Tiktok ………
Disny land ha ha ha.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 1 2024 13:54 utc | 45
the word article is directly used to describe each amendment
Posted by: phenon | May 1 2024 14:02 utc | 46
If you have ever enjoyed, agreed or been pleasantly surprised by something I’ve said, well, me and my friends have our own substack.
https://littoria.substack.com/p/americas-foes-discover-its-weakness
This is one of the leading journalists that I pay attention to.
From the substack I linked above
Within this context, the timing of Blinken’s visit to China suggests an ulterior motive not articulated in press releases. The Secretary of State, who presents himself in Israel as a Jew rather than as an American, dropped in on Xi Jinping on the same day a delegation of Fatah and Hamas members were in Beijing to begin discussions on creating a united front. Both China and Russia have been working diligently on unifying the Palestinians as a single political entity, which if achieved, could force the creation of a Palestinian state whether America and Israel like it or not. Threats from Blinken and Janet Yellen have so far failed to deter this effort.
Posted by: ryanggg | May 1 2024 14:06 utc | 48
Probably because it is partly based on Magna Carta that has articles too
Posted by: phenon | May 1 2024 14:06 utc | 49
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 13:42 utc | 40
17 years, 5 as a child, 12 as an adult. Moved to Mexico 5 years ago.
(You can now modulate your projections accordingly!)
Posted by: phenon | May 1 2024 14:02 utc | 46
No it doesn’t. Article VII is the ratification of the Constitution. Anything thereafter is an Amendment, none of which mentions the word “article.” I’m literally looking at a copy of the US Constitution right in front of me. You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.
We have way too many non-USsians here pretending to be Americans for some strange reason.
Posted by: scorpion | May 1 2024 14:07 utc | 50
“17 years, 5 as a child, 12 as an adult. Moved to Mexico 5 years ago.”
I’m curious – WHICH 12 as an adult? 5 as a child mean nothing. You’re from the UK.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 14:12 utc | 51
“Probably because it is partly based on Magna Carta that has articles too”
You’ve never even read the US Constitution or Bill of Rights. Another sLimey pretending to be an expert on the USA.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 14:14 utc | 52
@ Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 13:42 utc | 40
If you managed to read the many many posts, the Scorpion lived for 10 years in usa, from age 19-29, and was born in usa but experiences early adoption into a UK family. May or may not be accurate.
Posted by: suzan | May 1 2024 14:17 utc | 53
Posted by: ryanggg | May 1 2024 14:06 utc | 48
Not sure what it means, but found it interesting that although Blinken and Yellen each had to first visit a port town before heading into Beijing (an old imperial tradition when approaching the Emperor’s Court), Musk flew straight into a meeting with Xi and was seated next to him, therefore of equal rank. Their body language was clearly positive.
In simple terms, one could say that in China business trumps diplomacy with demanding Old World powers!
His cars are about 12% of the Chinese market, plus he is trying to roll out more self-driving models which have had issues. (His semis also have issues but look like they might end up being the biggest thing yet in EV’s yet since apparently the drivers who have been testing them for a while now love them and they will save $200,000 in net fuel costs within 2 years of regular use making them extremely affordable on top of being ‘a gas’ to drive, especially up hills.) The meeting went well and apparently he got a green light and is putting in another Gigafactory in China where that tech will now be permitted versus being regarded as suspect American spyware.
Scorpion@37…..ordinary Americans, not sure what that means, if anything, virtue signaling is part of today’s woke culture….
When you see and hear of Unionized groups of workers joining the students, mass boycotts of Genocide supporting business, civil servant disobedience….let’s revisit what ordinary Americans are capable of.
Bet time…..every Starbucks on every campus with a protest is doing a roaring trade….what I see is typical mass protests allowed to proceed to blow off steam……otherwise every businesses in the US that supports and enables Genocide in a mass scale should be burned out husk.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 1 2024 14:25 utc | 55
@ Can anybody explain this to me?
Posted by: wm82 | May 1 2024 8:15 utc | 1
The historical importance of controlling the trade, communication and resources transit in the region of Palestine – Egypt for sea-based empires is discussed by Dr.Jamal Wakim. Link below reposted from last unwieldy Palestine Theead.
The fanatics are tools of empire, as usual.
~~
Listening to Garland Nixon interview with Laith Marouf this morning, “EPISODE 12 – ISRAEL THREATENS RAFA – COLLEGE PROTESTS GROW,” and looked up this interview mentioned by Laith:
”Wartime Café” EP2: with Dr Jamal Wakim, Lebanon Civil War, Gaza & future of the region”
Professor of History of International Relations at the Lebanese University. We discuss:
-His upbringing in a political home during the 70s.
-Was it a “Sectarian Civil War,” or a Class-War?
-The fabrication of Lebanon and its myths.
-The Ukraine and Gaza wars, which will decide the fate of Empires?
-What next for the region?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ed_NHd6Zc
Discussed is the historical importance for empire to control the Palestine Egypt region.
Posted by: suzan | May 1 2024 14:26 utc | 56
Re: Articles vs Amendments – the Bill of Rights which is the first 10 amendments contains no articles. Some later amendments use the word “article” in section 2 of the respective amendment. The Articles of the Constitution of the USA are the first 7 ‘sections’.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 14:26 utc | 57
How can I say this nicely as a born Lutheran Protestant and a revert to Islam? .
The last six months have proved that Luther and Hitler ‘s “”” antisemitism “”” was right and Germany’s actions were justified.
Those who support the Jewish genocide
in Palestine have found in Talmudic racism the perfect role model for Fascist Imperialism. The last six months have lifted the mask off Western Market capitalism as ruthless, voracious, psychotic, pagan and dishonest. Printing money is a
veiled cover for colonial rape and pillage.
The WEF reset is about us civilians learning to accept rape and plunder being crammed into our souls..
Are we cucked by this rape of our humanity? No they are cucked by their utter , wanton disobedience of Law, of God’s Commandments and their own brash arrogance.
We are definitely not going to submit to this abomination of genocide.
Politicians line up your necks for lamp-posts immediately or get back into your cages . You have had your 6 months of spiteful, racist fun.
Posted by: Giyane | May 1 2024 14:27 utc | 58
Tom_Q_Collins 52
The US started as a colour revolution but, like Ukraine, has never evolved from being a Pinocchio colour revolution into a living soul.
Tell me if it ever acquires one.
Four centuries but nothing so far that you could possibly ever describe as a soul.
Posted by: Giyane | May 1 2024 14:40 utc | 59
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/
Article VII
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Freedom of Speech broken by zionist campus attack
Freedom of assembly broken BY zionist campus attack
consult for their common good broken by zionist campus attack
apply to the Government for a redress of grievances broken by zionist campus attack
None of these people have America’s interests at heart only Israel’s
Posted by: phenon | May 1 2024 14:41 utc | 60
Reuters seems clear about who the aggressors are
Gaza protests: UCLA pro-Palestinian camp attacked by Israel supporters
Is the genocide by Occupied Palestine and its supporters going to extend beyond Gaza?
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 1 2024 14:43 utc | 61
Four centuries but nothing so far that you could possibly ever describe as a soul.
Posted by: Giyane | May 1 2024 14:40 utc | 59
Money has no soul. The US worships money. And this includes even the most humble farmer or handyman. It isn’t unique to Americans, but it is universal here and not necessarily everywhere else (China, Russia, etc.). All the rest should be obvious.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 14:43 utc | 62
Article VII: The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
Please stop with the attempts to confuse those who aren’t familiar with the structure and content of the US Constitution.
It should be preserved as well as possible as a comedic document for future generations to laugh at under their breath as they ponder the Disunited States of Zionamerica.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2024 14:46 utc | 63
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/here-comes-world-war-iii-nato-chief-confirms/
Could be diplomatic ‘click bait’ but still, that’s a fairly formal announcement by the SECGEN of NATO.
Meanwhile, I believe US Congress just passed, or is about to pass, legislation guaranteeing funding for Ukraine through the next Presidential term. Some believe this suggests that Trump will be allowed to win this time but he will not be in control of Congress (or the DOJ, Intelligence, the MIC, State etc. etc. etc.).
In any case, if RF is still expecting the West to come to the table, they might need to re-think. Personally, I think they are now operating on the assumption that the West is loco and so it is up to them to create their own reality on their own terms without expecting anything from the outside although forever hopeful that at some point the West will come back to their senses, something which will most likely take several generations at this point.
addendum@55…..were are the sit ins? Were are the walk outs? These students are the future leaders of an Insane Asylum. No thought on block flow of major transport routes. Bridge block anywhere, even in Canada on a regular bases local First Nations will block rail crossings, occupy government offices….hmm, well they at least get a few plum handouts for a civil pension, guess that doesn’t qualify an occupation, too many hanging around whitey to long, learning the ropes.
At the moment they are protests that are easily disrupted, controlled and corralled. Normal day in the Empire.
Cheers M
….besides, who wants to be immortalized in a Neil Young song, maybe mass die ins are what’s called for….
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 1 2024 14:50 utc | 65
You know that America is losing its shit when it starts to accuse other countries of being responsible for the protests on American campuses against the USA-Israeli Gaza Genocide.
Empire Managers Say Russia, China And Iran Are Tricking Students Into Opposing Genocide
https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/empire-managers-say-russia-china-and-iran-are-tricking-students-into-opposing-genocide-ac3320b65ef3
This is from the same America that has staged serial regime change/destabilization operations dressed up as “Pro-Democracy” movements against scores of other nations for over a century dating back to the American overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom in the late 19th century.
America, the self-styled “Land of the Free”, is actually the Land of the Free Lie.
Or as Vladimir Putin accurately put it, America is the Empire of Lies.
Posted by: ak74 | May 1 2024 14:52 utc | 66
Do they pay bribes or have to win a green lottery?
https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/58/1262/522917/War-on-Gaza/War-on-Gaza/US-considers-receiving-some-Palestinians-from-Gaza.aspx
Posted by: Minaa | May 1 2024 14:54 utc | 67
Civil War coming to the US?
https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/58/1262/522924/War-on-Gaza/War-on-Gaza/Video-Israel-supporters-attack-proPalestine-camp-a.aspx
After all, there is even the movie running for psyop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDyQxtg0V2w
Posted by: Minaa | May 1 2024 14:57 utc | 68
Susan, you got it about right. I personally feel more British than American but am not really either, nor Canadian where lived twenty plus years. Classic ‘mid-Atlantic’ type. Indeed, if was richer, would probably have retired to the Azores and be living on a nice, little 60′ sailing yacht! That said, Bodhgaya feels like a second home somehow despite its many shortcomings, and often yearn to live in a Buddhist country.
I love America very much, both the people and the aspiration-myth. I can see that it has had a turbulent and muddled history with mixed positives and negatives. I almost retired there but found it too cognitively dissonant socio-politically and just couldn’t find a spot in the sunbelt zones, which needed for health reasons, where felt connection to either the land or the people. In Europe have more family, but also find it culturally distressing on top of being highly taxed. So moved on to a place that is clearly surrealistic and traditional at the same time – a rugged dream world of sorts. Just built a house and outbuildings with no permits and not one discussion about them. Had to bribe someone to get an electrical hook-up, though, which took 6 months. Just paid $70 USD yesterday for a man to work five days to fix the village water supply (from a mountain spring). My kind of country!
Salvador Dali is said to have left Mexico with a passing put-down: ‘I can’t abide any place more surrealistic than myself!’
At ZH (Zionist Hasbara) they already have an article blaming the anti-Genocide protestors for being attacked by Genocide monsters.
Chaos Erupts At UCLA After Pro-Gaza Activists Refuse Entry To Non-Allied Students
Posted by: librul | May 1 2024 15:08 utc | 70
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 1 2024 14:25 utc | 55
Scorpion@37…..ordinary Americans, not sure what that means, if anything, virtue signaling is part of today’s woke culture….
Trump voters and all working Americans who pay taxes, send kids to school, etc.
We’ll see what happens but no matter what no doubt there is going to be a huge quotient of false flags, controlled groups (like Antifa) etc. which of course will be reported as sincere groups with a heartfelt cause in the media but in most cases won’t be.
Seems to me that one of the main agendas these days is to demoralize and confuse the American people by breaking down all norms. The country is not going to be seen as coming together as one, as knowing what it is, where it wants to go. Normal people are made to feel abnormal, insecure, unworthy. The nation as such is under concerted attack and I suspect this year is going to be much worse than usual that way. It’s May. The streets will get increasingly unruly. Also maybe the suburbs, finally.
Let’s hope I’m wrong. After all, am just an old mid-Atlantic fart waiting for his kitchen counters to set – concrete which we’ll polish to a high gloss – so he can move up into hill country with fresh air and (hopefully) clean rain and his beloved Mexican wife!
Who writes the history?
It will not be long before ALL sites like MoA are devoured by AI empowered repression.
People will one day be astonished, maybe disbelieving, when you relate to them the freedom that was found at MoA
and like places. The sites are already disappearing, or their content squashed, as you well know.
We are witnessing history-shaping events taking place right now.
People are grasping to shape and own the perceptions of those events.
I thought it would be interesting to see what high school students are presently taught about September 11th.
How Students In 12 Countries Are Taught About 9/11
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/09/world/911-lessons-teens.html
archive: https://archive.ph/WsCQj
Apologies that this is from the NYT, but it is interesting nonetheless.
As it is from the NYT the article should best be titled:
The NYT teaches you nothing real about September 11th while reporting on
How Students In 12 Countries Are Taught About 9/11
With the terrorist attack and the wars that followed having entered the realm of history, we sought to understand how these events are being taught. What is stressed? What is overlooked?
We examined textbooks from all over and talked with educators. But mostly we wanted to hear directly from young people, and so we interviewed students born after the attacks in 12 countries.
Their voices offered only a hint of the diversity of instruction on Sept. 11 worldwide, but their impressions and experiences were striking.
From Moscow to Manhattan, from Karachi to Caracas, from Berlin to Baghdad, students have come away with very different perspectives on terrorism, Islam, war and American power.
If there is a consensus, it can be found in what students told us their education has been missing: depth.
They want to know more.
Across the board, students born soon after Sept. 11, 2001, told us they longed for their teachers and school systems to embark on a deeper dive into the subject, from the historical context leading up to the attack all the way through the long-term impact.
For many, 9/11 has come to symbolize one of the flaws of modern education: an unwillingness to look more closely at relatively recent events that shape the present.
“I feel lost, because sometimes I watch the news and I don’t understand anything that’s happening,” said Mr. Villar, in Brazil. “And I think the school could help me with that, having more classes about what’s going on now, and not just what happened 300 years ago.”
Several students also said they needed to know more about Sept. 11 because one day they may be called upon to explain the era of terror to their children.
“I feel like I do have responsibility to not only learn about just what happened, but I feel like also just the long lasting legacy of it, and just all the effects and aftermath,” said Karen Zhang, 17, a rising senior at Stuyvesant High School in Manhattan.
More specifically, she said that along with Sept. 11, “there should be a bit more of, I think, the history of the U.S. in the Middle East.”
Well, I found that interesting. Hope you did too.
A student is quoted about learning history from 300 years ago.
Our past history shapes our perception of the present, gives it context and insight.
(“Who writes that history?”, you rightly ask.)
Relevant to today is the history of Palestine.
A Palestinian has sought to preserve history in a tiny museum and here is his story.
The article begins:
What happens when a people are confined to a bubble where the “truth” has one book to read, to follow and obey, then suddenly the bubble bursts and the sun shines on a whole new truth, verifiable, clear, and sound?
https://www.plands.org/en/articles-speeches/articles/2019/when-the-denial-bubble-bursts-an-israeli-kibbutz-faces-the-nakba
I would be astounded if, after recent events, this tiny museum still exists;
if it does, for how long? And for how long will you even be able to read about it as you
are right now?
I have a question for the bar, does anyone know
how many times has Jerusalem seen Genocide before and what does that history tell us?
I know of the Mamilla Pool Massacre, 614 AD.
The Persians had captured Jerusalem, their Jewish allies purchased the Christian captives,
tens of thousands of them. The Jews took their captives to the Mamilla Pool
and commenced to slaughter them – men, women, children and old people.
Fortunately, the Persians learned of the slaughter and put a stop to it, but not before between 60 and 90 thousand
had been murdered. The population of the Earth was about 2% of what it was today.
So the impact of 60,000 was like 3 million today.
What can we learn from this Genocide?
History repeats?
History is forgotten?
History is forbidden.
Posted by: librul | May 1 2024 15:19 utc | 72
Firstly, it’s great to see my favourite barman back behind his bar.
# I’m reposting what I placed on Palestine thread earlier – and supported by Lavrov’s Dog …
The goal was never to destroy Hamas. Hamas is absolutely necessary as a justification for the continued ethnic cleansing.
To determine what Israel’s goals are, one simply has to look at what they’re actually doing: killing as many Palestinians as possible.
Posted by: JAB | Apr 30 2024 17:08 utc | 617
Precisely.
fyi,
https://twitter.com/WarWatchs/status/1785297556181844032
Israeli Finance Minister, Bezalel Smotrich:
“We must obliterate Rafah, Deir al-Balah, and Nuseirat. The memory of the Amalek must be erased. No partial destruction will suffice; only absolute and complete devastation.”
Posted by: michaelj72 | May 1 2024 4:23 utc | 653
Yes. Amaleks all the way down.
The Genocidal State of Israel has become an abomination to whatever is left of humanity in this new age of barbarism. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but in time it will be said – Israel delenda est.
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 1 2024 5:39 utc | 661
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 1 2024 15:22 utc | 73
It is May Day – time for a song … [3 mins
Bob Marley – Get Up Stand Up [HQ Sound]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2W3aG8uizA
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 1 2024 15:26 utc | 74
So the police in California are working with the pro-Zionists to quash these protests. While at the same time criminals are released with no bail and are allowed to shoplift and run rampant. This is the very definition of anarchy-tyranny.
Posted by: Johnny Boy | May 1 2024 15:29 utc | 75
Speaking of history…
Moshe Dayan quotes
https://www.azquotes.com/quote/659695
(I archived it)
Here are two of them:
Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you, because these geography books no longer exist; not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahalal arose in the place of Mahalul, Gevat – in the place of Jibta, Sarid – in the place of Haneifs and Kefar Yehoshua – in the place of Tell Shaman. There is no one place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.
What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.
Posted by: librul | May 1 2024 15:35 utc | 76
GOOD UPDATE HERE ON THE JEWISH VIGILANTE THUGS AND THEIR PRE-MEDITATED TERRORIST ACTION EARLIER TODAY A circulating video of the first 24 minutes of the attack at UCLA, proves that the zionist mob was the only side, which carried out the attacks. https://pic.twitter.com/75pqCFO5uu
Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | May 1 2024 15:38 utc | 77
Re: Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 1 2024 14:50 utc | 65
Just an FYI… Jewish Voice for Peace, occupying Grand Central Station, protesters blocking Lockheed Martin, protesters at freeways & bridges. protestors (as posted earlier) protest @ NY Times, Black Rock, Google, WH Correspondent Dinner, WH, on down the list.
There is no “centralized” coordination (yet) and has not been co-opted (yet), so, much of these are grass roots.
This will spread or be shut down. Time will tell. But never underestimate US Americans ability to overthrow a Governance. We have more experience at it than most…
Those same “skill sets” can be put to use here, and there are many Americans that are finished with the MICC and lobbyists running this place.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 1 2024 15:45 utc | 78
@Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | May 1 2024 15:38 utc | 77
Thx for the link. As it has been shared out across the internet
I trust that the video is preserved somewhere safe from AI alteration, now and in the future.
Posted by: librul | May 1 2024 15:57 utc | 79
A recently released report from Declassified UK has exposed the British and their premeditated role in the Gaza Genocide.
The report documents how the British and Israelis have enhanced their strategic partnership over the past few years with specific agreements for British military and political support of Israel–culminating with Israel’s genocidal Gaza war in which the United Kingdom helpfully provided British military spy flights and funnelled weapons to the Israelis through the UK military base in Cyprus.
Report unveils UK’s premediated role in Gaza genocide: Declassified UK
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/report-unveils-uk-s-premediated-role-in-gaza-genocide–decla
UK MILITARY SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL’S GENOCIDE WAS PRE-PLANNED
https://www.declassifieduk.org/uk-military-support-for-israels-genocide-was-pre-planned/
The British are just like their American cousins as they both try to disguise their genocidal imperialist character with propaganda boasting about their fake ideals of “democracy and freedom”.
But as Juan Cole said, the Gaza Genocide has become “like a UV black light for detecting sociopaths.”
Posted by: ak74 | May 1 2024 15:57 utc | 80
RE: “But as Juan Cole said, the Gaza Genocide has become “like a UV black light for detecting sociopaths.”
“UK MILITARY SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL’S GENOCIDE WAS PRE-PLANNED”
Posted by: ak74 | May 1 2024 15:57 utc | 80
There are literally trillions of dollars on the table between ports, canals, pipelines and ME Saudi “deals” for “Israel” .
Of course, none of these machinations will be realized or were ever “realistic”… but no use telling the UK or US that.
Guess they’ll have to have their “war” to get set straight about it all. I hope Saudi Arabia bites the dust along with Israel.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 1 2024 16:11 utc | 81
US campuses live blogs
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/5/1/live-us-university-protests-spread-amid-growing-calls-to-end-gaza-war
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/may/01/columbia-university-protest-live-updates-nypd-new-york-police-enter-campus-pro-palestinian-demonstrators-latest-news
Posted by: Minaa | May 1 2024 16:16 utc | 82
@Posted by: ak74 | May 1 2024 15:57 utc | 80
Thx so much for those links.
I already knew and have referred to the British agreements with Israel here at MoA.
A reminder of these agreements to others is critical.
The British and Israelis were cooperating on intelligence gathering and that includes most certainly Hamas and Gaza prior to Oct 7th.
There are those that dismiss the LIHOP of October 7th, explaining the IDF supreme failure as coming from a mixture of incompetence and racial bias on the part of Israel.
In light of the British agreements, the British must now be included.
Neither Israel or Britain could compensate for the other’s incompetence and racial bias?
And what of the other members of the Five Eyes?
Posted by: librul | May 1 2024 16:40 utc | 83
And here in 60K population AG college city of OSU we have going on today
Calling All Allies – Action on OSU Campus – Happening Now!
SIT-IN FOR GAZA 🇵🇸
On the lawn between LINC and Austin Hall, 10am-7pm
Come support student demands for OSU to divest!
There will be dancing, crafting, chanting and music!
Connect with your community and show our strength in numbers!
Don’t record others without consent. Face masks encouraged.
My money is on the youth of the world to do the right things for the right reasons. The zombie trance that most of the adult West is in has been broken for the youth and I hope it stays broken.
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 1 2024 16:42 utc | 84
AKK74@15:57
Britain’s role over the centuries. As an historian by training; my take tends to retroproject from past behaviors into current iterations of such policies and predilections. Close observers of historical processes realize that the British government over centuries has been both imperialistic and colonialist. Consider the many invasions and inversions of Ireland and even Scotland, to say little more regarding Continental excursions.
That all said, a sea-change occurred upon Wellington’s victory at Waterloo, when the Rottenchild Crime Clan with their massive intel services were first on the mark and promptly began selling off their interests in British government bonds. The market, with an engorged herd-instinct, promptly followed. When the abandonments were widespread; the Rottenchild agents promptly purchased those bonds for Pence on the Pound.
Result was that that Crime Clan broke the Bank of England and promptly assumed control over Briltish finance. That coup occurred in 1815. Rule over the Sceptred Isle from that private bank in City of London has firmly remained in the Crime Clan’s greedy grip ever since.
Take a little jump from the near past. Peace negotiations almost fully settled between Russia and Ukraine in their Turkish confab in 2022. The deal was about to become finalized. Enter Boris Johnson. He promptly informed Zelensky that the deal was off the table…and the war resumed.
Those individuals who are blissfully unaware of the financial shenanigans behind most regimes in the Collective Waste, came to the assumption…or shall we say presumption…that the Agency in the Di$trict of Corruption had cut Johnson’s orders. Ridiculous on the face of it. The orders continue to emanate from City of London. Both Whitehall and the Di$trict are but wholly owned subsidiaries of the City…to say very little about the colonial regime in Occupied Palestine.
Posted by: aristodemos | May 1 2024 16:58 utc | 85
“Hamas leader:
Hamas will respond very soon to the proposal for a prisoner exchange and ceasefire deal. ”
“Israel Hayom
The Israeli proposal for the exchange deal and Hamas’ demands, according to Arab reports:
– 33 Israeli prisoners, including sick and elderly people.
– A temporary ceasefire with the possibility of extension
– The release of 20 Palestinian prisoners for every Israeli prisoner.
– The release of 40 Palestinian prisoners for every captured female soldier.
Hamas demands:
1- A complete and non-temporary ceasefire.
2- Complete withdrawal of Israeli army forces.
3- Unconditional return to the northern Gaza Strip. ”
From GazaNewsNow tlg.
Meanwhile US/”Israel” are portraying concessions on restrictions to movement to northern Gaza, allowing in aid trucks etc. I don’t know if those in Gaza will buy into that at all if there is no ceasefire, i.e. if large part of those in Rafah will move north if allowed, or if they will be ordered to / have to with Rafah under assault.
Posted by: Ornot | May 1 2024 17:04 utc | 86
psychohistorian, heading to campus here in Eugene today good luck!
I legal observed Monday and we had a really nice lady singing our praises. Turned out her daughter had been arrested and suspended from Barnard. She identified herself as a Jew and a recovering Zionist. She talked about the painful process of learning she has had to go through. It was very cool to see someone my age will to change! I believe she is going to join are group. The Israeli thugs do their best to try and provoke. The students are great at ignoring them.
Posted by: Susan | May 1 2024 17:09 utc | 87
aristodemos@85….so eloquently put, many here share your sentiments. What I find interesting, no matter how often it is pointed to “The City” many go raving out of their way to disprove any such notions. Maybe they are unwitting accomplices.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 1 2024 17:11 utc | 88
who controls the oil and gas fields of gaza what is the involvement of genie energy who is genie energy what are british gas and bp involvement
who are the sovereign parties that have mad a claim
quo warranto by whos authority
is the death count still 26 thousand or is is 92 thousand
why is haifa such a quiet sleepy town
what is the synagogue of satan are jacob and evelyn still alive why does trillion dollar man college chum of cameron and boris nat nathaniel only have one listing as head of a small engineering company
weird B I S world
globo homo init
Posted by: todd | May 1 2024 17:20 utc | 89
Susan | May 1 2024 17:09 utc | 87–
psychohistorian | May 1 2024 16:42 utc | 84–
Good to read your reports from the home front. I’d expect the usual goon police tactics in Portland rather than Corvallis or Eugene. Perhaps Bob in Portland can give us an update from there.
The “Genocide Pier” is taking on the aura of the Star Wars Death Star:
Images show US military building floating pier off Gaza. Pentagon says it will cost $320 million
I can almost imagine Sith Emperor Biden withering away in his throne, life support tubes shoved up his ass, a twisted smile of satisfaction on his face:
“Yes … yes … dew it …”
What can you say about a nation whose bridges fold like tofu, whose airplanes have bits falling off every other day, who can’t build effective border walls (but can build cages for immigrant children!) yet dreams of building floating islands in the Mediterranean to “feed” starving Palestinians?
Delusional.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 1 2024 17:28 utc | 91
The Egyptian government has a huge tunnel network under the Sinai desert.
The tunnel network interlinks with smuggling tunnels into Gaza.
In Yemen, thousands of Houthi fighters are being trained in tunnel warfare.
Something’s brewing, slowly but surely.
Glory to the Fighters.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 1 2024 17:32 utc | 92
If these students could change some of their parents’ minds it’d be a significant brick removed from the apartheid walls. 🙂 There will be challenges, but I believe in these efforts, even if not perfect and not removing whole walls.
The next question is what else can we do elsewhere? Peaceful assemblies by geriatrics with posters at the corners of major intersections? 🙂 Make it constant wherever people drive, and with elderly and invalids who have extra free time?
A “victory garden” concept where canned goods are gathered and sent to the Gaza crossings in quantities that it’ll tower up so high it’ll pour over? Even if it’s the unloved canned beets and the like, enough to make a pile logistically too big to ignore? Or a Great Pile of Onions that can be seen from space? >:) A new Egyptian Pyramid of Rice-a-Roni?
Posted by: titmouse | May 1 2024 17:33 utc | 93
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 1 2024 17:28 utc | 91
“yet dreams of building floating islands in the Mediterranean to “feed” starving Palestinians?
You mean you don’t think we’d spend that kind of money to feed starving people our client state is genociding? It does seem odd, doesn’t it, you’d think we could just order them to let the trucks loaded with food in.
Posted by: KMRIA | May 1 2024 17:35 utc | 94
fyi – well worth reading – the Irish are still dealing with this legacy … excuse length
Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire – Book Review
By Jim Miles
Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire. Caroline Elkins. Vantage Books/Penguin Random House, New York, 2022.
This is an amazing history, one that should be on the list of every history class dealing with modern history, history of the British Empire, and further on to those studying economics, politics, and geopolitical strategies. For anyone else it should be a must read in order to understand current events as they are unfolding today throughout the world, for our current geopolitical scenarios are highly based on Britain’s Legacy of Violence.
The book encompasses about two hundred years of British imperial history, leaving out the depredations of the empire in North America – which preceded and actuated much of what followed – and ends with the dissolution of empire after World War II. In between is a sordid tale of violence shellacked over with propaganda, hubris, racism, a willingly compliant press, and an ignorant domestic audience. Several themes are consistent through Britain’s imperial endeavours.
Violence is obviously the first theme, and it came, and continues to come, in many forms: overt military, covert military and espionage, a wide range of torture, extra judicial executions (murder), concentration camps, removals, starvation, sexual abuse, chemical weapons, and on…
In all the subject colonies examined in Legacy of Violence all these actions are similar, and as the colonial experience of repression advances through the years, the techniques were refined to be more painful at the same time pretending to be more in accordance with developing international law.
International law
International law has become more and more codified in particular after the great World Wars of the Twentieth Century, but the British Empire has always found ways to work around any increasing surveillance of their actions. While ultimate responsibility always arrived home in London, the local colonial governors were given a legalized carte blanche to do as they felt necessary to impart civilization to the savages under their control.
The outright violence of domination was quasi legalized by declaring colonies or areas of colonies as zones of terror and rebellion allowing the enactment of martial law. Under these regimes, thousands of laws were created by the colonial government in order to quell any riots, protests, disturbances, or outright rebellions. These laws provided the “veneer of legal permissibility.”
Occasionally news of these events arrived in the homeland, and were either written off as the standard “bad apple in a barrel” excuse, or turned around the other way and blamed the indigenous people of being savages without morals, and that force was necessary to deal with their intransigence and inability to work in a civilized state.
As international law became more codified, the powers that be allowed for “derogations” or exemptions from the rule of law, in the event of “terror” or “rebellion” in the colonies. As a result “Britain became synonymous with a ‘derogation regime’ that…normalized the exception in international law and practice.” It is perhaps most obviously seen in today’s modern meaningless parlance as the “rule of law….a time honored term in the empire of legalized lawlessness.”
Throughout Elkins book, the idea of morality and savagery courses through all the colonial eras and areas, from South Africa, Malaysia, India, Palestine, Kenya, on through to post war Cyprus and much closer to home in Ireland. The British always claimed a superior civilization and morality, and the “uncivilized and savage populations of the world…needed a different set of rules.”
Morality
While discussing the Arab rebellion in pre-war Palestine, Chaim Weizmann reflected on the use of violence against the Arabs, being “heartened to know ‘it has produced a salutary moral effect’.” This view has continued up to today’s propaganda concerning events in Gaza.
It produced the effect of considering the meaning of “morality” in relation to the slaughter in Gaza, as Israel has always proclaimed it has the most ‘moral’ army in the world. Events in Gaza, and indeed throughout Palestine, would indicate that the Israel Occupation Force has learned well the British imperial application of morality.
The techniques they have used throughout their colonization of Palestine have been adopted from the previous British occupation: removals, torture, concentration camps (Gaza itself), and on as listed above.
This most ‘moral’ army has adopted the morality of violence as a means to overcome the resistance to their occupation and settlement of an indigenous culture. It has been fully expressed as a means to ethnically cleanse Gaza, by removal or genocide – with a note that the official definition of genocide involves the intent to kill, and also the intent to destroy the culture and survivability of the people even if not directly murdered by military means.
The New Anglo-American Empire
After World War II, the creation of the UN, and the writing of Declaration of Human Rights, but more importantly the weakening of the financial “sterling area” and the strengthening of the US financial and military empire, Britain was forced into closing down its empire…at the same time doing its best to maintain power of some kind through its Commonwealth of Nations, most powerfully including the settler-colonial states of Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.
With the advent of the Cold War and manufactured fears of communism, maintaining the sterling area required US underwriting, as “The Americans needed to tread lightly on imperial designs lest they antagonize their much-needed NATO partners…standing firm against the Soviets.”
A 1966 British counterinsurgency manual, aimed at communist insurgencies, “included the necessity of adhering to the rule of law and winning the hearts and minds of the civilian population.” As per Elkins, hearkening back to Malaysia, it “emerged as the [italics in original] reference point for counterinsurgency success, influencing the American’s Petraeus Doctrine in Iraq and shaping Western counterinsurgency operations to this day.”
Hearts and minds along with the rule of law are essentially propaganda terms covering up the forcible removal and resettlement of indigenous populations, accompanied by the more hidden tortures and executions.
Not only did it influence the Petraeus Doctrine, but Britain’s imperial legacy of violence has left loopholes for post independent regimes to enact coercive violence of all kinds within their own nations, nations frequently divided by ethnicities previously manipulated for better or worse by British governors and their cronies.
Today in Gaza
All of this culminates in today’s violence and slaughter – genocide – in Gaza, supported by the financial and military might of the United States and its imperial ambitions. Elkin’s Legacy of Violence was written before these events and wisely she did not attempt to bring her work into the realm of current events, yet it is obvious that Israeli actions follow from their heritage as a British colony initiated far back in the days of supreme colonial power immediately after World War I.
The British empire’s Legacy of Violence has morphed into an Anglo-American rule of violence with the violence and rules stemming mainly from the United States. However, as a nuclear armed belligerent and racist nation, Israel directs its own actions in Gaza, an ‘in your face’ attitude towards the US’ feeble attempts to appear to be humanitarian while supplying the financial and military means for Israel to maintain the slaughter.
Epilogue
The British empire lives on, subsumed by the military-industrial-financial power of the United States, as well as being evident in many still smoldering regions of the world where indigenous people are attempting to overcome the legacy of violence perpetrated by the former British power and the current US imperial power.
Caroline Elkins work is a must read for anyone interested in understanding more of the background of today’s geopolitical violence. The information is very well referenced and researched and provides significant detail – in spite of the empire’s burning of colonial records – along with first hand anecdotal references.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/legacy-of-violence-a-history-of-the-british-empire-book-review/
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 1 2024 17:43 utc | 95
Posted by: aristodemos | May 1 2024 16:58 utc | 85
The square mile is a separate entity to the UK. That tells you all you need to know.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | May 1 2024 17:43 utc | 96
Posted by: KMRIA | May 1 2024 17:35 utc | 94
The island is to be a forced Palestinian ethnic cleansing staging and processing area.
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 1 2024 17:54 utc | 97
>>The square mile is a separate entity to the UK. That tells you all you need to know.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | May 1 2024 17:43 utc | 96
It was or is called the City of London. The Brits really should shut it down as an exclusive entity. Perhaps either treat it as a foreign country, or eliminate its special legal status.
Posted by: Jmaas | May 1 2024 17:54 utc | 98
Every updated news clip of Blinken, he gets more and more angry and vitriol.
Bad week in China, no movement at Arab WEF ( no one still will open Egypt Rafah gates, or recognize Israel to “normalize” relations) then he goes to Israel, as Nuttyahoo purposely publicly announced “Rafah invasion no matter what”… after Blinken’s big “Hamas better take the deal… NOW”.. speech..undermining his “threat”…making any deal now impossible, which was Bibis purpose.
Pretty much looks like ready to go home and kick a dog. He strikes me as that type.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 1 2024 18:26 utc | 99
RE: Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 1 2024 17:28 utc | 91
Speaking “infrastructure” / floating islands:
Austin/Geatz: Boots on the Ground
@ 2:32 F35 worthless paperweights, worth a 5 minute confirmation of USA dysfunction, disconnection & delusions.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5eeL-bm6rCo&pp=ygUQR2FldHogYXVzdGluIGYzNQ%3D%3D
Course, how many more confirmations do we need?
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 1 2024 18:38 utc | 100