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May 8, 2024
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News & views (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) … Short and to the point: At Dien Bien Phu (archived) – LRB
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indian punchline has a good article up from yesterday… Posted by: james | May 8 2024 15:20 utc | 1 that’s a great article you’ve linked to.. thanks! it’s an important anniversary today according to the article too… sometimes people never learn from the past… will this be the case today with the usa-west interventions?? Posted by: james | May 8 2024 15:32 utc | 2 from the article b links to Posted by: james | May 8 2024 15:36 utc | 3 Late last night I finished translating and posting “Russia’s Future Planning Decree -2030-2036”, which is the culmination of the work Team Putin performed over the 18 months prior to Putin’s Leap Day Address when this road map was put before the Russian people and its Federal Assembly. IMO, it showcases what a genuine Progressive-Conservative government would plan as it knows it can’t solve very longstanding problems rooted in culture and geography like poverty and the imbalance of equitability nationwide. But it does see those issues and puts forth goals to solve them. China’s wording for doing such things is modernization and continual development; here we see what that actually entails. I find it a fascinating document because the West produces nothing like it at all, and it was just this sort of planning that was vilified during the Cold War. I wonder how many Westerners if allowed to read the doc would want to be part of its agenda. A teaching moment for the bar. Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 8 2024 16:28 utc | 5 Posted by: karlof1 | May 8 2024 16:02 utc | 4 Posted by: karlof1 | May 8 2024 16:02 utc | 4 Gott mit Unz Posted by: Simon | May 8 2024 17:26 utc | 8 It is clear that the problem with German fascism was not that it was fascism, but that it was German. Posted by: Simon | May 8 2024 17:33 utc | 9 The UK regime intends to issue *all* candidates in the general election which will be held in the next few months with instructions on what to think and un-think. Posted by: Cynic | May 8 2024 17:35 utc | 10 Street Without Joy is my favorite book about the first Indochina War, 1946-1954. The first time I read it I realized tha the U.S. never had a chance when they took over for the French. A good movie that is considerd Anti-French from that period would be Indochine. I bleive it can be found in various languages. It highlightws why the Vietnamese were willing to fight. If you are in a reading mood and can find a copy, Ho Chi Minh’s Prison Diary is very interesting.. Posted by: Matt | May 8 2024 17:36 utc | 11 Posted by: james | May 8 2024 15:32 utc | 2 & 15:36 utc | 3 Posted by: waynorinorway | May 8 2024 17:36 utc | 12 @waynorinorway | May 8 2024 17:36 utc | 12 Posted by: Norwegian | May 8 2024 17:50 utc | 13 @karlof1 | May 8 2024 16:02 utc.
I don’t care if other people are more wealthy than I am. But it does matter to societal health if the disparity between rich and poor gets too wide. Then you get the “government for sale” problem we have now, and you get people being left behind. Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 8 2024 17:59 utc | 14 The reason why the West is so dysfunctional is largely explained in this medium-length article. Posted by: JB | May 8 2024 18:11 utc | 15 Posted by: karlof1 | May 8 2024 16:02 utc | 4 Posted by: KMRIA | May 8 2024 18:18 utc | 16 @ waynorinorway | May 8 2024 17:36 utc | 12 // Norwegian | May 8 2024 17:50 utc | 13 Posted by: james | May 8 2024 18:40 utc | 17 Pepe Escobar appraises part of the current reality, A tale of Two Sovereigns, a Lackey and a Nanny”, and provides the following summation: I don’t know if anyone else has made this observation… but if b (God forbid!) had died from his recent infection, I’m sure most of us would have assumed he’d been bumped off by agents of the Anglo-American Empire. Posted by: observer | May 8 2024 18:52 utc | 19 Well, the parallels ramify in every direction. Geneva ~ Minsk, the complete inability of the USA to pursue any foreign policy other than setting up client rulers to facilitate systematic corporate looting and the prevention (at all costs?) of local populations controlling and benefiting from their own territory. The playbook is so well known and so often used that one has to wonder whether it’s self-reflexively intentional or rather pathological in the historical materialist sense. It must be the latter: the structural incapacity of any mode of appropriation to reshape itself other via a continual doubling-down until Aufhebung. Posted by: Patroklos | May 8 2024 19:04 utc | 20 JB@15 Posted by: bevin | May 8 2024 19:05 utc | 21 A German politician has been convicted for citing official German statistics about gang rape. Comparing welt, taz and RT, I find I have to read RT to be accurately informed about this. This is sad. Posted by: Passerby | May 8 2024 19:11 utc | 22
A pithy, substantive critique (not!).
One can always tell one is over the target when the usually eloquent bevin starts frothing and choking on his own bile-laded insult-fest which only serves to display for all his own state of mind! I can not believe that this pretty disgusting piece of trash has found its way here and is even recommended! Posted by: waynorinorway | May 8 2024 19:18 utc | 24 @ bevin | May 8 2024 19:05 utc | 21 about our resident King of agnotology. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 8 2024 19:20 utc | 25 Posted by: karlof1 | May 8 2024 18:44 utc | 18 Posted by: awaiting approval | May 8 2024 19:28 utc | 26 Posted by: scorpion | May 8 2024 19:18 utc | 23 Posted by: Patroklos | May 8 2024 19:32 utc | 27 Posted by: bevin | May 8 2024 19:05 utc | 21 Posted by: Patroklos | May 8 2024 19:43 utc | 28 The tremendous thing is that today everything is anti-Semitic, because anti-Semitic is anything that a Zionist does not like. If a Zionist doesn’t like garlic soup, then garlic soup is anti-Semitic. Posted by: Simon | May 8 2024 19:47 utc | 29 My post nr. 15 is about the article scorpion recommended. It is not about scorpion. Posted by: JB | May 8 2024 20:01 utc | 30 awaiting approval | May 8 2024 19:28 utc | 26–
Was anything he said not fabulist ad hominem? Did any of it have anything to do with the points made in the article? Or are you so besotted a fanboy that you never even considered that?
All you have is long, waffling ad hominem, no substance. What drab academic-sounding piffle! Surely you can do better? I thought you were an Australian?! And male!
Please: what do you mean by ‘progress the bad’? Posted by: JB | May 8 2024 20:01 utc | 30
The part of the essay I found most interesting was about the ethno-state notion. Here from the conclusion:
Any discussion along racial lines like this makes us very uncomfortable. And yet is that not what is unfolding now in Gaza? And is it untrue that homogeneity in the West has been systematically undermined? Columbia has cancelled their graduation ceremonies for fear of protests Posted by: ld | May 8 2024 20:50 utc | 35 Posted by: scorpion | May 8 2024 20:14 utc | 32 Posted by: Patroklos | May 8 2024 21:09 utc | 36 For some flies, maybe caring to watch a V-Day parade from Moscow, just a collection of links for tomorrow: https://the-arioch.livejournal.com/100986.html Posted by: Arioch | May 8 2024 21:29 utc | 37 for those who are interested Posted by: ld | May 8 2024 21:36 utc | 38 UNRWA walks throught the devestation in Rafah Posted by: ld | May 8 2024 21:39 utc | 39 Re the Unz Review link, a cursory reading shows it to be nonsense. It is not true WWII was a principled struggle between two race-conscious nations, the Germans and the Jews. The French and British empires were not Jewish nor was the USSR. Further, the geopolitical issues were such that it is entirely customary to see WWII as a direct sequel to WWI, which is at least rational. That’s why the belligerents were England, France, “Russia” and the US vs. Germany. Insofar as WWII was genuinely different instead of a second German attempt to control continental Europe, it was a vast anti-Communist crusade. Most of the article is genuine ad hominem, doubly stupid because the smear boils down to “JEW!” It is no credit to Unz to host such twaddle. Calling this a matter of opinion is absurd. One could just as well host a defense of hollow-earth or homeopathy or Scientology or hermetic philosophy. Posted by: steven t johnson | May 8 2024 21:43 utc | 40 Posted by: JB | May 8 2024 20:01 utc | 30 Posted by: juliania | May 8 2024 22:19 utc | 41 Regarding that above mentioned “Good Nazis” UNZ article:
When criticized and ridiculed for referencing this, Mr. Scorpion just throws around some “You haven’t even really really read it thoroughly // ALL you have are ad hominems”. What a tiring waste of time. Posted by: Roland | May 8 2024 22:20 utc | 42 @steven t johnson | May 8 2024 21:43 utc | 40 Posted by: Roland | May 8 2024 22:24 utc | 43 fyi Posted by: Don Firineach | May 8 2024 22:26 utc | 44 Posted by: JB | May 8 2024 20:01 utc | 30 Posted by: Patroklos | May 8 2024 21:09 utc | 36 Roland@43 imagines posts on transgender issues. Posted by: Steven T Johnson | May 8 2024 23:10 utc | 47 fyi Posted by: Newbie | May 8 2024 23:27 utc | 48 Gini index score of Russia from 2004 to 2020 Posted by: Don Firineach | May 8 2024 23:32 utc | 49 @ Newbie | May 8 2024 23:27 utc | 48 Posted by: Don Firineach | May 8 2024 23:38 utc | 50 Posted by: Roland | May 8 2024 22:20 utc | 42 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 8 2024 23:45 utc | 51 @ Newbie | May 8 2024 23:27 utc | 48 Posted by: Newbie | May 8 2024 23:46 utc | 52 THE PROBLEM IS – which B (imho) fails and refuses to address rationally and ethically is that: Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 8 2024 23:50 utc | 53 Posted by: scorpion | May 8 2024 20:41 utc | 34 Posted by: a stone | May 8 2024 23:52 utc | 54 BLOCKING and BANNING S………… is like turning off the TV News and Managing your internet news and social media feeds to you are less exposed to OUTLAW US EMPIRE OF LIES AND IT’S PROPAGANDA BY BAD ACTORS Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 8 2024 23:53 utc | 55 … but if b (God forbid!) had died from his recent infection, I’m sure most of us would have assumed he’d been bumped off by agents of the Anglo-American Empire. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 0:04 utc | 56 https://www.rt.com/news/597255-us-house-speaker-ouster/ Posted by: snake | May 9 2024 0:08 utc | 57 I can not believe that this pretty disgusting piece of trash has found its way here and is even recommended! Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 0:14 utc | 58
PCR has been banging this drum constantly since 2022 and although I still think he’s missing some aspects, at least he is consistent and events keep tracking what he has been warning against. Sorry in advance for not participating in today’s mud-slinging. Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 9 2024 0:23 utc | 60 Re: Scorpion’s link Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 9 2024 0:32 utc | 61 Scorpion @ 7: Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 9 2024 0:34 utc | 62 would this help clarify the issues? Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 1:00 utc | 63 OT remark on a comment in the last Ukraine thread by Nasir ( May 8 2024 16:24 utc | 7 ):
That’s a very dangerous argument according to “Dark Star” with its “Thermostellar Triggering Devices” that talk/argue and reason 😀 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 9 2024 1:30 utc | 64 Scorpion, thanks for triggering MOA’s knowitalls. It is amusing to read them as they respond with their certitudes bigly. Posted by: Ново З | May 9 2024 1:42 utc | 65 .. http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capital21c/en/Piketty2014FiguresTables.pdf Posted by: Ново З | May 9 2024 2:05 utc | 66 @ Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 1:00 utc | 63 Posted by: Don Firineach | May 9 2024 2:08 utc | 67 @LoveDonbass (61) Posted by: joey_n | May 9 2024 2:17 utc | 68 RE (Pikkety graph) The data clearly shows that for income equity improvements, the US needs to engage in a world war! Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 2:31 utc | 69 Posted by: Don Firineach | May 9 2024 2:08 utc | 67 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 2:35 utc | 70 LoveDonbass @ 61: Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 9 2024 2:57 utc | 71 Related to the opening article, and the anti-colonialist struggle in Gaza, I found this interesting presentation What Frantz Fanon Can Teach About Gaza ….. Posted by: PassionateProgressiv | May 9 2024 3:14 utc | 72 Sakineh Bagoom 5 Posted by: Giyane | May 9 2024 3:35 utc | 73 Lavrov’s Dog 61 Posted by: Giyane | May 9 2024 3:46 utc | 74 “I find it bewildering that Putin, and apparently Xi, still think the West will come to its senses and accept a multipolar world. The ignored reality is that Washington cannot possibly reposition Russia from enemy to trusted partner. Despite the enormous increase in provocations and elevation of tension, Russia and China are still unable to accept reality. In his inaugural speech Putin again gave his assurance that Russia does not renounce dialogue with the West. Apparently Putin is willing to be forever deceived as he was for eight years by the Minsk Agreement. Putin thinks the atmosphere has changed and today “reliability, mutual responsibility, sincerity, decency, nobility and courage” are highly valued. By whom, President Putin? Most certainly not by the West…”
Admittedly, the West is not living up to its potential by any means. But Putin has always (and I think you know this) felt an affinity with what makes each country a nation-state — in the very terms with which an Easter humn begins: “… all nations, let us be jubilant …” That is, there is a spirit in France, there is one in Italy, in Greece, in Germany, in the United States … and so on. Small or large,large or small. Posted by: juliania | May 9 2024 4:05 utc | 75 A teaching moment for the bar. Posted by: sunof27 | May 9 2024 4:07 utc | 76 @5: Posted by: LittleWhiteCabbage | May 9 2024 4:22 utc | 77 Re: Hitler as scapegoat and WW2 Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 9 2024 4:29 utc | 78 @ sunof27 | May 9 2024 4:07 utc | 76 Posted by: suzan | May 9 2024 4:52 utc | 79 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | May 9 2024 5:02 utc | 80 @80 psycho Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 9 2024 5:28 utc | 81 @ NemesisCalling | May 9 2024 5:28 utc | 81 who better watch it or he will get excommunicated by the church if you think too far out of the box. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 9 2024 6:13 utc | 82 Am I too late for the lynching ? Posted by: Featherless | May 9 2024 7:38 utc | 83 But the one thing that still separates Jesus from all the rest is that he revealed the scapegoating mechanism of the mob, of groupthink. Jesus is the outside-the-box, never pin-me-down OG who tricked the devil once and for all. The three paradigmatic cases Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 8:14 utc | 85 Posted by: Featherless | May 9 2024 7:38 utc | 83 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 8:19 utc | 86 @ Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 8:19 utc | 86 Posted by: Featherless | May 9 2024 8:24 utc | 87 a la a “summoning the Golem” approach to getting at your enemy. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 8:32 utc | 88 Posted by: Featherless | May 9 2024 8:24 utc | 87 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 8:37 utc | 89 @ Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 8:37 utc | 89 Posted by: Featherless | May 9 2024 8:42 utc | 90 I think i would just freak out, n run away, probly hide under my bed. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 8:53 utc | 91 Scorpion made judgments and made choices. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 8:55 utc | 92 @ Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 8:55 utc | 92 Posted by: Featherless | May 9 2024 9:01 utc | 93 It seems that it’s time to talk about Adolf Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 9:22 utc | 94 And London is the pinnacle of the Temple of Classism. Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 9:35 utc | 95 Thanks, b. I had no idea about the battle at Dien Bien Phu. By the time I was old enough to be aware, the US already had troops in Vietnam. And by the time I graduated from college the US had withdrawn and nobody wanted to talk about Vietnam any more. Now I must learn more about Vietnam as a whole. And I have heard it is a lovely and hospitable place to visit. Posted by: Clever Dog | May 9 2024 10:09 utc | 96 Posted by: Featherless | May 9 2024 9:01 utc | 93 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 10:57 utc | 97 @ Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 10:57 utc | 97 Posted by: Featherless | May 9 2024 11:35 utc | 98 https://www.vtforeignpolicy.com/2024/05/white-houses-pressure-on-fb-to-censor-sars-cov-2-lab-leak-theory-zuckerberg-email-disclosed/ Posted by: snake | May 9 2024 11:55 utc | 99 Posted by: Featherless | May 9 2024 11:35 utc | 98 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 9 2024 12:18 utc | 100 |
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