Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 21, 2024
A Kharkiv Encirclement As Dreamed Up By ‘Sources’

Yesterday The Economist published about an alleged Russian plan to partially encircle Kharkiv:

Ukraine’s desperate struggle to defend Kharkiv (archived)

I find that this is unlikely to ever have been a Russian plan:

Retrieved military plans, details of which were shared with The Economist, suggest the Russians were probing to see if they could partially encircle Kharkiv and put pressure on the Ukrainian formations to the east of the Pechenihy reservoir. The operation was supposedly planned for May 15th-16th but was brought forward by nearly a week for unknown reasons.

According to the plans, the Russians had identified two axes of attack on either side of the reservoir. The push on the western axis was intended, over 72 hours, to bring Russian troops to within artillery range of Kharkiv city at the village of Borshchova. They were stopped by a rapidly redeployed grouping from the elite 92nd Brigade, which pushed them back a full 10km from their initial goal.

On the Vovchansk axis, further east, the Russian plan had been to fight past Anna’s father’s house on the reservoir, right down to the town of Pechenihy. The Russians initially made quick work of this operation, sweeping through an area that should have been prepared with minefields and serious engineering fortifications but wasn’t.

The piece includes this not very helpful map:

I have marked the LiveUAmap map of the Russian Kharkiv incursion with arrows from the border to the villages named in the Economist piece:



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Borshchova is 15 kilometer (~10 miles) from the border.

The town of Pechenihy is west of the reservoir and the distance from the border is some 45 kilometer (~30 miles).

The whole Russian force used for the Kharkiv incursion is not larger than one division with some 12 to 15,000 men – most of them in back positions. Various videos from the operation show that the frontline forces mostly consist of infantry advancing on foot. There are only a few tanks, if any, and no large convoys of resupplies.

How such a forces would be supposed to do (within 72 hours) a five kilometer advance per day towards Borshchova or even a 15 kilometer advance per day towards Pechenihy is beyond me.

Such a move would require at least three divisions with a decent tank fist, absolute air superiority and highly mobile logistics. Given the prevalence of drones on both sides of the battlefield such an operation would certainly have incurred high losses for little but some tactical gain.

It would be totally untypical for the Russian force as it is currently fighting. Everything is done to avoid Russian losses. Artillery and air attacks are used to destroy the enemy. Only after that has happened will the infantry advance.

I do not know who made the plans the Economist published about. I do not know who 'retrieved' and 'shared' it. But I am pretty sure that neither has not involved anyone who is part of – or even near to – the Russian military.

It is disinformation with a likely purpose of demonstrating that the Russian forces are less capable than they really are:

"Look, they had such big plans but only achieved this little."

Do people still fall for such nonsense?

Comments

Posted by: bored | May 21 2024 17:41 utc | 97
Western MSM don’t seem to be buying it, probably because the only sources I can trace all lead back to Ukrainska Pravda or Moscow Times. Western media have had their fingers burnt by these two outlets before.
You are able to provide the bar with a credible link, aren’t you?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 21 2024 18:15 utc | 101

@Peter AU1 | May 21 2024 16:04 utc | 72
Thanks for that.
I follow Simplicius the Thinker’s substrack – he is usually pretty good on providing ‘realistic’ videos which highlight the ‘destructive nature’ of warfare.
Kidnapping people off the streets and tossing them into front-line trenches is basically ‘murder’. How long more do we have to wait before the ‘non-azov non-kraken etc’ AFU soldiers mutiny en masse and install a ‘military’ junta of the reasonably sane?
Stay well!

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 21 2024 18:15 utc | 102

Posted by: bored | May 21 2024 17:41 utc | 97
The BSF were always fish in a barrel, would always succumb with some probability to well organised attacks using modern weapons, decoys and tactics, under asymmetric surveillance. The professional task is to reduce that probability and maintain the operational lifetime of threatened assets.
Until some kind of mutual stop in the conflict the threat to ships and the novelty of those threats is only likely to increase. Provided reasonable supporting measures are being taken, these losses to advanced, concentrated attacks are respectable but there will be avoidable losses if defensive measures can’t anticipate the evolution of novel attacks and adapt in a timely fashion.
By the time vessels are retrofitted with deck guns against current generation drone boats the threat will likely have moved on to submersible drones carrying whatever novel munition is likely to be effective. If they were fitted much sooner or, better yet, in anticipation, they could have preserved assets while responses to the next iteration were developed and deployed. That cycle is ongoing.
These seem to be useful source for information about RF naval operations, including BSF comings and goings:
https://t.me/s/SeaPower
https://t.me/s/rusfleet
https://t.me/s/evilsailor

Posted by: anon2020 | May 21 2024 18:21 utc | 103

It’s utterly depressing. People still claiming that the Russian military is falling apart, have no weapons, useless tanks and that over 500,000 Russian soldiers have been killed.
At the same time, they will tell you that Russia is a threat to the entire continent and that Putin wants to recreate the USSR.
Quite how they square the claim that Russia is getting walloped by Ukraine yet is a threat to the entire of Europe I don’t know.
Posted by: Facekicker | May 21 2024 14:29 utc | 43
It’s a cornerstone of war propaganda. The enemy is both incredibly dangerous and absolutely impotent, at different times or even at the same time. It’s 1984-think and it’s meant to breed a controlled population that has been conditioned to think whatever its rulers want, no matter if it makes sense or not.
Two plus two is both four, five and nothing.

Posted by: Tichy | May 21 2024 18:22 utc | 104

Its about controlling the narrative.
By creating the narrative that Russia is encircling or attacking Kharkov, even if they know differently, they can claim in their media that “Ukraine Repels Russian Attack on Second Largest City”.
In this way, it looks almost like a victory, when, in fact, no such attack took place by Russia.

Posted by: HERMIUS | May 21 2024 18:23 utc | 105

Sounds like another of those ‘Russian plans’ that is floated by western/Ukrainian fabricators so that its non-realization can be trumpeted as a failure. We’ve already had Nuland or Von Der Leyen or some such stump-head announcing that Putin intended to take all of Ukraine and he hadn’t, so he failed. I can’t think of any great successful military campaigners who allowed their plans for conquest to be written by the enemy.

Posted by: Mark | May 21 2024 18:24 utc | 106

You are able to provide the bar with a credible link, aren’t you?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 21 2024 18:15 utc | 102
lol
Mighty high expectations you have, don’t you?
They are fully operating on the principle of “if you can’t win a real war, win an imaginary one”

Posted by: I | May 21 2024 18:25 utc | 107

Here Paul Craig Roberts thinks Putin is far to nice and that he’s playing by the international rules whilst Nato and the West use every dirty trick in the book, Roberts thinks Putin needs to take the gloves off.
“The West is so involved now and the Western political leaders are so certain that Russia intends more aggression that they are preparing for war against Russia. Still, Putin and Lavrov speak of negotiation. After a decade of the West’s rejection of negotiation, how can the Kremlin still see negotiation as a solution? ”
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2024/05/20/putins-strategic-blunder/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 21 2024 18:28 utc | 108

Kidnapping people off the streets and tossing them into front-line trenches is basically ‘murder’.
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 21 2024 18:15 utc | 103
It’s worse than murder; It’s worse than genocide or war crime… I don’t know the words to describe it! I hope Russia completes the buffer zone and devises a strategy for Ukraine to surrender without having to sacrifice so many precious human lives.

Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 18:36 utc | 109

I don’t know the words to describe it!
Posted by: Elber | May 21 2024 18:36 utc | 110

i have the perfect words to describe that behaviour:
western values

Posted by: Justpassinby | May 21 2024 18:39 utc | 110

Putin should have embraced the Powell doctrine: clear objectives with overwhelming force.
Instead, Vlad launched the SMO with muddled objectives and a very underwhelming force. Now he is stuck in an epic quagmire of his own making.

Posted by: Napoleon | May 21 2024 18:43 utc | 111

Putin should have embraced the Powell doctrine: clear objectives with overwhelming force.
Instead, Vlad launched the SMO with muddled objectives and a very underwhelming force. Now he is stuck in an epic quagmire of his own making.

Posted by: Napoleon | May 21 2024 18:43 utc | 112

Here Paul Craig Roberts thinks Putin is far to nice and that he’s playing by the international rules whilst Nato and the West use every dirty trick in the book, Roberts thinks Putin needs to take the gloves off.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 21 2024 18:28 utc | 109
Western commentators, even the supposed alt-right, typically lack patience. Besides, if you’re not Russian Putin doesn’t care what you think. And if a Russian’s bloviations don’t rise to the level of their accomplishments, they can look forward to sharing a cell with Strelkov.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | May 21 2024 18:44 utc | 113

Do people still fall for such nonsense?
They sure do. And much more besides. Very rarely I lose my composure and spend a packed 5 minutes explaining to a colleague or friend the morass of inconsistencies in the media’s representation of this conflict. I’m either met with furious head-shaking or (far less often) with a look of stunned disbelief that such an event might admit of an alternate interpretation, one based on historical and critical analysis of a concrete reality. In a latter case recently a grad student (and a student of military history) reluctantly conceded that MSM reporting was 100% anti-Russian fiction but then asked ‘but why would they lie?’. It was at that moment that I walked away. This is how ideology works; it doesn’t work against reason necessarily (because often reason is co-opted by it) but one cannot lever reason against it. One cannot step outside it for ‘a clear view’. All we can do is be aware of it and spend our live in constant self-criticism. Was the grad student stupid? Yes and no. His error is to imagine that the world he lives in corresponds to the way he believes it to be, and ought to be. There are ways forward, Marx, Nietzsche, Freud, etc, but these consume a lifetime. When I despair I read the fragments of Heracleitus and remind myself that real thought arises in antagonism to every human instinct grounded in our historical limitedness.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 21 2024 18:56 utc | 114

only 2 things wrong with the econimist fiction
1. economist is 27% own by the rotschilds
2. economist is an mi6 publication.

Posted by: bobert | May 21 2024 18:58 utc | 115

It is disinformation with a likely purpose of demonstrating that the Russian forces are less capable than they really are:
“Look, they had such big plans but only achieved this little.”
Do people still fall for such nonsense?
Posted by b on May 21, 2024 at 11:07 UTC | Permalink
Or maybe it is deliberate maskirovka leaked to the useful idiots in the west who will believe anything negative about Russia.
If it is, the Russians gain by the West believing it – if anyone believing it matters at all.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2024 19:05 utc | 116

Putin should have embraced the Powell doctrine: clear objectives with overwhelming force.
Posted by: Napoleon | May 21 2024 18:43 utc | 113
How’d that turn out for Uncle Sam?
It’s always easy to use ‘overwhelming’ force against a paper screen and delude oneself that one has destroyed a concrete wall.
Try that against a modern military and you’re in for an unpleasant surprise.
Putin is much smarter than that.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2024 19:07 utc | 117

The group pressure was immense on that one. But not everyone fell.
Posted by: Norwegian | May 21 2024 16:58 utc | 86
Even those who didn’t fall for it had to pretend to go along with it – or else …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2024 19:12 utc | 118

Three points:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teBbgTd06aI&t=1s&ab_channel=TimesRadio
It’s very dangerous when so many believe, or assert they believe, this fake reality. But it’ll keep being sold to us all the way to the coming Cold War II.
Posted by: English Outsider | May 21 2024 12:00 utc |

My goodness: I watched your link. Utter delusion.
@Honzo: I am glad you put ‘elite’ troops in inverted commas. Although I am impressed by the sheer stubbornness of the Ukrainians, any actual elite troops, particularly their NCOs and Officers have been attrited long ago. Very similar to the decline of the Waffen SS during WW2 for example.
And finally, I note that Poltava was marked on the first map. That was where in 1709 the Swedish Empire, under its “military genius” commander Charles XII was decisively defeated by the Russians led by Peter the Great. That was the end of said Swedish Empire.
I imagine Charles XII’s courtiers were giving him cookies while saying it was just a minor setback and he could reconquer the territory…

Posted by: JulianJ | May 21 2024 19:16 utc | 119

“Time Magazine”: Where is Zelenskiy’s obsession with defeating Russia leading?
Posted by: ossi | May 21 2024 16:25 utc | 76
I see the West’s obsession with defeating Russia has now become “Zelenskiy’s”.
Sounds like “The West” has found their designated fall guy …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2024 19:18 utc | 120

“Instead, Vlad … is stuck in an epic quagmire of his own making.”
Posted by: Napoleon | May 21 2024 18:43 utc | 113
Yes, Black earth drenched with the blood and marrow of a million plus casualties does make for soft ground.
Though it was actually made by a certain group of ghetto ghouls which will be individually named at the Tribunal.
And dealt with accordingly.
Thomas

Posted by: Thomas | May 21 2024 19:18 utc | 121

> have clear objectives
> have overwhelming force
> get mired in the middle east for 20 years
> get run out by the natives after they tire of your bs
Sounds legit

Posted by: Ezzie | May 21 2024 19:19 utc | 122

Putin should have embraced the Powell doctrine: clear objectives with overwhelming force.
Instead, Vlad launched the SMO with muddled objectives and a very underwhelming force. Now he is stuck in an epic quagmire of his own making.
Posted by: Napoleon | May 21 2024 18:43 utc | 112
Russia is now much weaker then Powell’s army during that war.
Russia has to go slowly.
But then, all the credibility is being lost as The West respects only the strong and brutal.

Posted by: vargas | May 21 2024 19:31 utc | 123

Posted by: vargas | May 21 2024 19:31 utc | 124
say vargas, how do you feel about germany putting that un resolution on 1995 srebrenica in motion at the unga on may 23rd? you know, the one that is going to brand serbia a “genocidal nation”?
since a genocide is something brutal and used by someone strong, shouldnt germany and the west thus respect serbia?

Posted by: Justpassinby | May 21 2024 19:35 utc | 124

fyi NOT The Economist
Dmitri Kovalevich: SitRep on military, political and labour conditions in Ukraine
By Dmitri Kovalevich, The Multiplural World, May 19, 2024
(Dmitri Kovalevich is the special correspondent in Ukraine for Al Mayadeen English. He writes situation reports from there twice per month. This report appeared originally in Al Mayadeen English on May 18, 2024.)
[h/t http://www.geoffreyroberts.net ]
At the end of April, it also became known that Ukraine has submitted a written statement to the Council of Europe announcing a partial and self-declared exemption from the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Freedoms. The statement said that during martial law, human rights provided for by a number of articles of the Ukrainian constitution may be restricted. This includes the right to free elections, inviolability of the home, secrecy of correspondence and telephone conversations, the right to freedom of speech and freedom of movement, education, entrepreneurial activity, and labor. In practice, all these freedoms have been restricted in Ukraine since the 2014 coup, but they are now being officially abandoned. Nevertheless, the Western media still refers to Ukraine as a ‘democracy’ that is ‘fighting for democracy’ against ‘authoritarian Russia’.
In May in the Odessa region, for example, a lawyer was forcibly removed by police from a client’s home as the police were conducting a search of the home. When the lawyer arrived at the house, the police informed him that he should urgently go to the local military enlistment center, but he declined to do so, asking for proper notification for such a request. Minutes later, 15 armed and masked men arrived in a minibus, rounded up the lawyer, and took him away by force.
Videos of forced abductions of civilians by military conscriptors are spreading across Ukraine every day. In response, the government introduced criminal liability in May for those videotaping the work of military recruiters. The penalties are up to eight years in prison.
In early May, a resident of Odessa received the same prison term of eight years, in that case for posting symbols on a social network of the former Soviet Union and Soviet Ukraine, namely, images of a hammer and sickle and a red star.
https://multipluralworld.com/an-expired-presidential-term-and-further-curbs-on-political-rights-in-ukraine-as-the-russian-military-advances/

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 21 2024 19:36 utc | 125

Russia is now much weaker then Powell’s army during that war.
Posted by: vargas | May 21 2024 19:31 utc | 124
Oh come on! Try to remain minimally lucid while posting, won’t you?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 21 2024 19:36 utc | 126

So Ze is now officially a dictator. Unsurprisingly, EU kleptocrats all started announcing in a choir they consider Ze to still be a ‘legitimate’ president.
The insider channels write the situation has changed in the sense that ZE will now be personally responsible for the successes, and failures, of the AFU, and every other issue, like mobilization. So place your bets.

Posted by: unimperator | May 21 2024 19:38 utc | 127

Russia is now much weaker then Powell’s army during that war.
Posted by: SlowSoft | May 21 2024 19:31 utc | 124
Stupid.
You just said US Army from 21 years ago could beat Russia today.
Stupid.

Posted by: UWDude | May 21 2024 19:39 utc | 128

@128
Btw, it seems to be a mistake for the West to continue placing their weight on Ze. Because he will bear responsibility for everything. If (when?) things get worse, he could get easily disposed of, as there are tons of angry people in the military or Azov or SBU or mobilized. That could lead to complete loss of control over any potential follower.
But it implies the desperation and the fact that they literally have no one else to use.

Posted by: unimperator | May 21 2024 19:43 utc | 129

RE: “Now he is stuck in an epic quagmire of his own making.”
Posted by: Napoleon | May 21 2024 18:43 utc | 112
What quagmire?
Russia can sit on their porch for years and years with their shotguns.
No reason not too.
Hardly a “quagmire” for Russia.
Simply target practice, at will, to sharpen skill sets, until they get bored.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 21 2024 19:43 utc | 130

Russia is now much weaker then Powell’s army during that war.

Posted by: vargas | May 21 2024 19:31 utc | 124
Meanwhile: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12513726@egNews

Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (21 May 2024)
Units of the Sever Group of Forces continue advancing to the depth of the enemy’s defences.
Losses were inflicted on manpower and hardware of the AFU 125th Mechanised Brigade, 112th, and 113th territorial defence brigades near Konstantinovka, Okhrimovka, and Granov (Kharkov region).
Three counter-attacks launched by the enemy’s assault detachments were repelled near Volchansk and Staritsa (Kharkov region).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 245 Ukrainian troops, two tanks, two armoured fighting vehicles, two pickup trucks, three 152-mm 2S3 Akatsiya self-propelled artillery systems, one 152-mm D-20 howitzer, and one U.S.-made AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery warfare station.
Units of the Zapad Group of Forces took more advantageous lines and inflicted losses on formations of the AFU 14th, 21st, and 66th mechanised brigades near Novosadovoye, Ivanovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), and Nevskoye (Lugansk People’s Republic).
Six counter-attacks launched by the AFU assault detachments were repelled near Stelmakhovka, Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People’s Republic), and Grigorovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 425 Ukrainian troops, one tank, two armoured personnel carriers, six motor vehicles, one 122-mm D-30 howitzer, and one 122-mm 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system.
Two U.S.-made AN/TPQ-37 counter-battery warfare stations were destroyed.
Units of the Yug Group of Forces improved the tactical situation along the front line and inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 57th Mechanised Brigade, 105th, and 118th territorial defence brigades near Konstantinovka, Razdolovka, and Chasov Yar (Donetsk People’s Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to more than 320 Ukrainian troops, one tank, two infantry fighting vehicles, and two U.S.-made 155-mm M777 howitzers.
One AFU ammunition depot was destroyed.
Units of the Tsentr Group of Forces improved the tactical situation, as well as inflicted losses on formations of the AFU 68th Jaeger Brigade and 24th Mechanised Brigade near Semyonovka and Novgorodskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic).
Seven counter-attacks launched by assault detachments of the AFU 71st Jaeger Brigade, 47th, and 110th mechanised brigades were repelled near Ocheretino, Solovyovo, and Umanskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 420 Ukrainian troops, five armoured fighting vehicles, including four U.S.-made Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, six motor vehicles, one 152-mm Msta-B howitzer, one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, and one 122-mm D-30 howitzer.
Units of the Vostok Group of Forces took more advantageous lines and inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 128th Territorial Defence Brigade near Velikaya Novosyolka and Makarovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
One counter-attack of the enemy was repelled near Staromayorskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 145 Ukrainian troops, two infantry fighting vehicles, eight motor vehicles, one U.S.-made 155-mm M198 howitzer, one U.S.-made 155-mm M777 howitzer, and one 122-mm D-30 howitzer.
Units of the Dnepr Group of Forces inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 37th Marines Brigade, 65th Mechanised Brigade, and 15th National Guard Brigade near Veseloye (Kherson region), Rabotino, and Malaya Tokmachka (Zaporozhye region).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 105 Ukrainian troops, seven motor vehicles, two U.S.-made 155-mm M777 howitzers, one 152-mm 2A36 Giatsint-B howitzer, and one 122-mm BM-21 Grad MLRS combat vehicle.
Operational-Tactical Aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces have engaged AFU manpower and hardware clusters in 95 areas during the day.
Air Defence units shot down 45 unmanned aerial vehicles, two U.S.-made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles, eight French-made SCALP-EG cruise missiles, five French-made Hammer guided aerial bombs, four U.S.-made HARM anti-radiation missiles, and eight U.S.-made HIMARS and Olkha MLRS projectiles.
In total, 601 airplanes and 274 helicopters, 24,464 unmanned aerial vehicles, 523 air defence missile systems, 16,114 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,306 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 9,717 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 21,872 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

A sombre total of 1660 troop losses. Also noted is the loss of more Bradleys; were these meant to be game-changer #3 or game-changer #4? I’ve long since lost count…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 21 2024 19:49 utc | 131

@bored | May 21 2024 17:41 utc | 97
In one telegram channel (forgot which, I am damn reading too many of them) I indeed read that out of a volley of 16 ATACMS missiles, 2 hit Sevastopol harbour and sunk that Karakurt class small missile ship, with 6 casualties, and 11 wounded. So it might be the case. Whether or not the Cyclone was “the last in Crimea” is highly disputable, as I do not know how many Karakurt class ships, or even the larger frigates, are in Black Sea, and how many actually in the ports of Crimea. So far, btw., no satellite image of Sevastopol harbour corroborating the destruction has surfaced.
That said, there should not only be 4 more Karakurt class calibr carrier with the Black Sea fleet, rather the 5 or 6 of those ships attributed to the Baltic Fleet are able to travel through the deep water canal system of Russia (the USSR) connecting the White Sea, Baltic Sea, Caspian Sea, and Black Sea. Btw. Calibr missiles can be fired even from the Caspian Sea. In addition, there are the 14 Buyan class corvettes, most of them in the Caspian and Black Sea, are able to fire Calibr too, and cruise the canal-big river system.
Btw. the cost of a Karakurt class corvette was estimated 34 million $. A single ATACMS missile had a cost of 1.7-2.2m$, so hitting that ship, given it is beyond repair, was at best bit less costly than the ship proper.
Still, the Russians need to learn and adapt. I am confident they will.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 21 2024 20:00 utc | 132

And finally, I note that Poltava was marked on the first map. That was where in 1709 the Swedish Empire, under its “military genius” commander Charles XII was decisively defeated by the Russians led by Peter the Great. That was the end of said Swedish Empire.
I imagine Charles XII’s courtiers were giving him cookies while saying it was just a minor setback and he could reconquer the territory…
Posted by: JulianJ | May 21 2024 19:16 utc | 120
Have you read Marx’ book on the matter? He describes the partitioning of the Swedish empire between Great Britain and Russia as the first act of modern diplomacy, with the English betraying the Swedes in favor of Russia. Also Charles XII was, in fact, a good tactician, but dwarfed by Gustavus Adolphus, who met a similar early fate.
I detect a whiff of Pan-Slavism.

Posted by: Tichy | May 21 2024 20:02 utc | 133

@ All
Pls stop feeding trolls.

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 21 2024 20:08 utc | 134

Outsider @ 11
reality – another commenter had also a short, but very succinct thought about it, reality vs ‘chutzpa’ – this is by Activist Potatoe
“Confidence is a force. Reality, of course is stronger.”
Posted by: Activist Potato | May 20 2024 23:59 utc | 83
I wonder, how many people, ‘sheaple’ are still out there, who fall for the propaganda propagated with the huge amount of chutzpa. If that part of the societies will gain a certain ‘critical mass’ – I expect a revolution.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/05/ukraine-open-thread-2024-145.html

Posted by: fanto | May 21 2024 20:15 utc | 135

Une frappe de missiles Iskander M OTRK aujourd’hui depuis les régions de Koursk et de Briansk a surpris les soldats de la Légion étrangère française stationnés dans la région de Kharkov, dans le village de Lozovaya.
Un ancien centre de loisirs hébergeait des militaires du bataillon ukrainien néo-nazi Kraken, ainsi que des membres de leurs familles. 19 légionnaires artilleurs et spécialistes des drones les avaient rejoints.
Au total, la frappe a tué 42 personnes, dont 19 légionnaires français, le reste étant des néo-nazis du Kraken et leurs familles.
Un peu plus tard, un de nos Tornado G MLRS est venu terminer le travail et a liquidé 11 militaires de plus.
Les Jeux Olympiques de Macron s’annoncent très bien !
On vous avait prévenu ! Aux suivants !

Yandex translation:
An Iskander M OTRK missile strike today from the Kursk and Bryansk regions surprised the soldiers of the French Foreign Legion stationed in the Kharkov region, in the village of Lozovaya.
A former recreation center housed soldiers of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi Kraken battalion, as well as members of their families. 19 artillery legionnaires and drone specialists had joined them.
In total, the strike killed 42 people, including 19 French legionnaires, the rest being Kraken neo-Nazis and their families.
A little later, one of our Tornado G MLRS came to finish the job and liquidated 11 more servicemen.
Macron’s Olympic Games are shaping up very well!
We warned you! To the next ones!

Source:
https://boriskarpov.tvs24.ru/boris-karpov-sur-telegram/
And about Raissi, please check:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/05/president-and-fm-of-iran-killed-in-apparent-helicopter-accident.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3b3a5f3200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3b3a5f3200b

Posted by: Naive | May 21 2024 20:23 utc | 136

@vargas | May 21 2024 19:31 utc | 124

Russia is now much weaker then Powell’s army during that war.

Certainly. All those Powell’s nukes and warplanes. LOL

Posted by: aquadraht | May 21 2024 20:27 utc | 137

Russian policy is likely one to let the Euros wither on the vine…they are fast becoming obsolescent geopolitically.

Posted by: aristodemos | May 21 2024 16:01 utc | 71
I dunno. Last time I was told (can’t remember when), an impoverished Western neighbor (especially as a result of US/UK malfeasance) was not in Russian interests.

Posted by: joey_n | May 21 2024 20:28 utc | 138

BREAKING!!!
Russian Ministry of Defence has prepared a document according to which Russia intends to declare part of the water area in the east of the Gulf of Finland as its internal sea waters, as well as near the cities of Baltiysk and Zelenogradsk in the Kaliningrad region.
Lord Of War

Posted by: Apollyon | May 21 2024 20:41 utc | 139

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 21 2024 20:08 utc | 135
Seconded.
Agents provocateurs are not commentators as they do not contribute facts. They are becoming more and more stupid as the Russian army is progressing.

Posted by: Naive | May 21 2024 20:44 utc | 140

Posted by: aquadraht | May 21 2024 20:00 utc | 133
Again, the same question has to be asked, what operational relevance is there to the destruction of a small naval vessel? How does this alleviate the problems Ukraine is facing, or counter them? Just reading about the Iranian strike on the Iraqi H-3 airbase, during the Iran-Iraq War, a devastating strike that seriously damaged Iraqi combat capabilities. This latest PR strike by Ukraine is the exact antithesis of this operation, and suggestive that they are incapable of planning anything that has any serious operational impact. Russian sea-launched cruise missile capabilities are a relatively new capability (30+ Years after the West) and still make a small contribution, compared to the aviation component, which Ukraine has barely scratched.
This all reminds me of the conversation toward the end of Ralph Peter’s book ‘Red Army’, where two Soviet officers are sitting at a cafe table in Paris having a conversation. One asks the other, remind me again, who won the air-war again? Ukraine could sink the entire Black Sea Fleet and it would have little to no effect on the operational or strategic realities at the front. The Navy would be pissed, the Army would say, told you so, Putin would demand that heads would roll, Russian public opinion would go nuclear, Ukrainian SM would be ecstatic, but it would not stop the current trajectory of the conflict.

Posted by: Milites | May 21 2024 20:44 utc | 141

Maybe The Economist does have a small point:
Russia could have moved further south into Kharkov region.
Even if it wasn’t the actual plan, without massive AFU redeployment from other sectors, RuAF simply could (imo: would) have increased the scope of the offensive. That’s pretty much the charm of the operation: Even though Kiev knows the plan and sees what’s happening, it’s still forced to move substantial reserves to prevent a bigger incursion.
Someone (unimperator I think) wrote a few days ago that the Kharkov offensive had “another 3-4 days to run”. Seems that he was right.
And of course, nothing keeps RuAF from doing the same someone else next.

Posted by: smuks | May 21 2024 21:19 utc | 142

Posted by: Patroklos | May 21 2024 18:56 utc | 115
Thank you, Patroklos! I read you, and I read Plato. And now I’m painting. When the wind blows, which is often. I think it’s trying to tell us something, wordlessly.
A word I would use for Heraclitus is ‘pithy’. Good word that. What would I have said to your graduate student when he asked ‘why?’ Perhaps psychohistorian is our Heraclitus:
“Follow the money.”
Whilst, in the meantime however, they are causing our cash to become worthless. Like our words.
That will show us!
….
However, somehow or another, both China and Russia, like phoenixes, have bottomed out and then arisen. The bottoming out part is not fun. We are in it. Hang in there.

Posted by: juliania | May 21 2024 21:32 utc | 143

Zelensky and the bobbling head vassals still recognizing him. Guano 2.0.
Guaido faded away in a very short space of time.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 21 2024 21:52 utc | 144

Unimperator 30
Dmitry Orlov in his recent video with Nima explained Israel.
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Can you post a link?
I know Orlov is generally behind a paywall, but maybe the interview has been uploaded somewhere . . .

Posted by: Jane | May 21 2024 21:54 utc | 145

Southern sector:
Dima summarizes AFU is currently very weak in the Novomikhalovka-Konstantinovka axis. Huge number (tens) of AFU artillery systems have been suppressed and destroyed around Konstantinovka and the fields NW/W of it since the beginning of the month, while AFU has only made a few drone strikes hitting one RUAF howitzer.
RUAF controls south part of Urozhaine and the rest of it bombed heavily.

Posted by: unimperator | May 21 2024 21:54 utc | 146

Yeah agree with Milites here, why exactly the whole British and Maerican establishment has a hard on for the BSF and the Kerch bridge is beyond me. These aren’t strategically significant targets even in the context of a larger global war.
I presume the thought leaders and planners are all narcissistic fools who faced little opposition in life. They lazily rely on other peoples decades old analysis and conclusions that fit within their expectation window. Their environment allowed incompetence to thrive and so here we are.
The era of maritime dominance of trade routes is over. As shown so markedly by the Houthis, and on a budget too. Unless your aircraft carrier is submersible its a giant floating coffin.
As was said ‘you’re not capable of understanding this war, let alone winning it’. But they have nowhere to go, do they? With the soaring rhetoric so far and all the jingoist nonsense barked by the Atlantics foremost poodle, how can the Maericans and their little British mascot back down now? In the past a society would hang such treasonous idiot leaders – but their control over the means and manner of acceptable discourse makes this unlikely.
Wither then but totalitarianism, a surveillance state that would make the Stasi blush and a long slow decline into irrelevance.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 21 2024 22:01 utc | 147

Posted by: Jane | May 21 2024 21:54 utc | 146
Here you go. About Israel/Gaza part around 30 min mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P6i8XWHvb4

Posted by: unimperator | May 21 2024 22:03 utc | 148

Patroklos | May 21 2024 18:56 utc | 115
People like that, which seems to be the majority – it will be the same with those being conscripted and thrown into the frontline trenches of Ukraine. Too stupid to save themselves or family. The smart ones got out after the 2014 up till the borders were closed in 2022. After that it was too late. They either have to fight the empire backed nazis or die in trenches facing the Russian forces.
I know that when the time comes and Australia, tagging along with the US to attack China, those about me will believe it is China attacking us. I can have no pity or empathy for them. Something like despair at the rank stupidity that will only lead to destruction, poverty ect.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 21 2024 22:08 utc | 149

Thank you, b.
The answer to your rhetorical questions is unfortunately, of course.
Worse, is the so-called Think Tanks and their military analysis, dodgy intelligence analysis provided by people only interested in self-promotion/enrichment and “expert” advice provided by questionable military leaders like Cavoli, Ben, Milley and others driving the insane policies of the Western bloc.
Also explains why posters like Vargas, Bored, Napolean and others are here. Pushing the “Narrative”.
Thank you, Honzo.
I would like to add that in the case of the Northern front, I doubt the tactical objectives would have included exploitation if the opportunity existed.
A typical NATO battalion back in my day would have an area of operation roughly 10km wide and 3km deep.
As noted by b, only motorised infantry units with light tank detachments were assigned to this task.
There is no tactical advantage in bringing Kharkov within artillery range, as this can only result in indiscriminate shelling of an urban populated area as well as extend and expose the units involved and supply chain.
Going back to the area of operation for a typical battalion, check out the deployment maps for Ukrainian forces. You will see an extremely bunch up collection of “Brigades” in hot spots. This can only mean that these “Brigades” are probably only a couple of battalions at best or company strength worse case scenario.
Off thread.
Maj. Gen Ivan Popov – former commander of the 58th Army (sacked due to complains of problems with troop rotation/lack of counter artillery radars, etc at the height of the traitor Prigozhin’s drama) has been arrested involving bribes of over 100 million rubles relating to defense procurement of building materials for fortifications.

Posted by: Suresh | May 21 2024 22:15 utc | 150

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Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 21 2024 18:13 utc | 101
I’m aware of that. It is why I put the term in quotes. Ukrainians also refer to Russians as “orcs”.
ps I am half slav.

Posted by: Mary | May 21 2024 22:23 utc | 151

Russian plan should be to harvest as many Ukrainians as possible and destroy as many of their equipment/bridges as possible.
That should be the focus. Not grabbing land.
Chasov Yar and Karkov transport systems must be laid to waste.

Posted by: Jason | May 21 2024 22:24 utc | 152

Possibly off thread, Nut Ze (titmouse, this one is for you) is now a Dictator and Ukraine, a country under Martial Law. Are the West helping to preserve this institution?
Nut Ze is now also a wanted criminal. Question: Will western politicians aiding and abetting a wanted criminal be included in criminal charges?

Posted by: Suresh | May 21 2024 22:27 utc | 153

Here Paul Craig Roberts thinks Putin is far to nice and that he’s playing by the international rules whilst Nato and the West use every dirty trick in the book, Roberts thinks Putin needs to take the gloves off.
“The West is so involved now and the Western political leaders are so certain that Russia intends more aggression that they are preparing for war against Russia. Still, Putin and Lavrov speak of negotiation. After a decade of the West’s rejection of negotiation, how can the Kremlin still see negotiation as a solution? ”
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2024/05/20/putins-strategic-blunder/
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 21 2024 18:28
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First PCR is a crusty old Reagenite spouting a stupid US boomer conceit, that if you “take the gloves off”. Ya’all can kick everybody’s ass.
This dates back to the Korean war, it was retarded & wrong then.
Second NATO isn’t preparing s**t because they can’t. You need an effective military and industrial complex that can be scaled up during mobilization.
Those don’t exit and would be massively expensive and time consuming to build.
Assuming they can do it at all considering current massive debts, inefficiency, already bloated wasteful budgets and insufficient recruitment.
Hence all the woofing and rinse, repeat & fail sanctions and using the AFU as meatshields. It’s the only army they have.

Posted by: Urban Fox | May 21 2024 22:28 utc | 154

Here Paul Craig Roberts thinks Putin is far to nice and that he’s playing by the international rules whilst Nato and the West use every dirty trick in the book, Roberts thinks Putin needs to take the gloves off.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2024/05/20/putins-strategic-blunder/
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 21 2024 18:28 utc | 109
Nothing new; PCR has been saying that since day 1. Typical American only sees 1 way of conducting war: shock & awe.
Either that, or he’s secretly hoping if he repeats it enough they’ll believe him & follow his advice, thereby playing into USUK hands.

Posted by: Mary | May 21 2024 22:29 utc | 155

/sing
When I think of military strategy I know I turn to a notoriously imperial economics & current events commercial weekly paper… Especially when they have a hate-erection against the topic, because they must obviously have the most even-handed analysis then. 😉 I’m off to ask vegans how to best cook beef tenderloin steak now, in their anger they must know best.
This is sarcasm by the way, for the irony impaired. 😉
/cheep
/flies away

Posted by: titmouse | May 21 2024 22:34 utc | 156

Here Paul Craig Roberts thinks Putin is far to nice and that he’s playing by the international rules whilst Nato and the West use every dirty trick in the book, Roberts thinks Putin needs to take the gloves off.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 21 2024 18:28 utc | 109

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 21 2024 22:42 utc | 157

I dont think PCR is anti putin.
I think he is one of those people always warning everything will fail, so when it does, he can say i told you so.
I seem to remember him always being a doomsayer.
I do not know, however, because I never found him insightful, and definitely not enough now to care what he says or thinks.

Posted by: UWDude | May 21 2024 22:47 utc | 158

A typical NATO battalion back in my day would have an area of operation roughly 10km wide and 3km deep.
As noted by b, only motorised infantry units with light tank detachments were assigned to this task.
There is no tactical advantage in bringing Kharkov within artillery range, as this can only result in indiscriminate shelling of an urban populated area as well as extend and expose the units involved and supply chain.
Posted by: Suresh | May 21 2024 22:15 utc | 151
I’m under the impression that a lot of troops and armor are sitting behind the border in Belgorod region. I agree that the forces involved weren’t expected to make such a strategic advance, and in fact I think they were probably intentionally incapable of it as a ruse to see if perhaps the Ukrainians might fail to respond quickly if they didn’t see a big armored spearhead, which would expand the possibilities for further action.
As for being in artillery range of Kharkov, it doesn’t endanger Russian troops more than being in artillery range of any other built-up area, but it does represent a proximity that forces Ukraine to choose between keeping its defending force pinned to the city, or giving it up. A relatively small Russian force at Boroschovka would tend to pin a much larger Ukrainian force in Kharkov, because the AFU wouldn’t have time to react to a Russian push with troops already engaged elsewhere. If the object of the Kharkov operation is to drain resources from other areas, entering Boroschovka would enhance the operation’s effect and sustain the effects longer. It would also provide a great opportunity for the Ukrainians, at all levels, to panic and commit some unforced error. That was the major aim of the original offensive in the SMO, and it would have worked if Ukraine had been in any way sovereign at the time- it was the west that prevented Ukraine from capitulating.

Posted by: Honzo | May 21 2024 23:22 utc | 159

And of course, nothing keeps RuAF from doing the same someone else next.
Posted by: smuks | May 21 2024 21:19 utc | 143
The likely next new front would be Sumy, which puts Kiev into play. That would absolutely panic Ukrainian leadership, and stretch the lines further.

Posted by: James M. | May 21 2024 23:35 utc | 160

Posted by: Patroklos | May 21 2024 18:56 utc | 115
Sorry, I meant to post ahead of your comment details, Patroklus, your final thought:
“… When I despair I read the fragments of Heracleitus and remind myself that real thought arises in antagonism to every human instinct grounded in our historical limitedness.”
I realize this is an opposing thought to my Platonic one, so we can have our own debate if you like, show ‘them’ we are not beaten. Because to me, if Heraclitus brings us to a different conclusion than mine, how do we escape that despair? Well, I will offer that Dante uses the Heraclitian approach, plunging first into Hell though not exactly on purpose (I’m remembering stumbling about in a dark wood, then that ominous gateway looms…)
Well, I will try again, and anyone is welcome to jump in (as few words as possible please; we are being Heraclitian here — fragmently is fine!)
This is what I remember from the epigraphs of Eliot’s ‘Four Quartets’ — (cannot find it anywhere – thin little paperback – oh well.)
The way up is the way down. And then: Though everyone has access to logos, most people just follow idiosyncracies. (That last is a pretty broad stretch, so please give a better version.)
Oh, and you can’t jump in the same stream twice in a row.
If those aren’t the texts that save you from despair, Patroklos, perhaps we can visit some of the ones that do. As you can see I don’t really have a good grasp of Heraclitus, but I like the ‘everyone has access’ bit as that’s very Platonic also.
Also, feel free to ignore me if you want.

Posted by: juliania | May 21 2024 23:35 utc | 161

Re: Popov, this is from one of the two Wagner TG Channels, I’ve no idea what the real story is, maybe others do:

They write that the former commander of the 58th Combined Arms Army of the Russian Armed Forces, Major General Ivan Popov (call sign “Spartak”), has been arrested.
And judging by the reactions, as well as comments on posts about this news, it becomes clear that people don’t even know who it is. The general was arrested – well, good. Deserved it.
And I want to remind you that Major General Ivan Popov is one of the most respected generals in the army. He is one of those who, commanding his subordinates, stopped the enemy’s counter-offensive in the Zaporozhye direction in June 2023.
A little later, in July 2023, he made a report to the Chief of the General Staff, Army General Valery Gerasimov, at the headquarters of the joint group of forces in Rostov-on-Don. There he spoke as is about the problems in the army, in particular about the lack of counter-battery warfare and artillery reconnaissance stations, rotations, and much more.
To which the Chief of the General Staff, in his usual hysterical manner, called Major General Ivan Popov a disinformer and an alarmist. In response, the latter said that he would try to reach the president. Within 24 hours, he was removed from his post by then Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.
In his farewell voice (I’ll leave it below), he turned to his soldiers, whom he called the Spartans, and said that he could not be cowardly and silent, and that he did everything he could. To sum up, the enemy was unable to penetrate us from the front, just as their own struck us from the rear.
Afterwards, Ivan Popov was seconded to the joint group of troops “Khmeimim” in Syria. In principle, everyone knows that in most cases, high-ranking officers are sent to Syria, or complete degenerates who have screwed up everything they can in their area of ​​​​past responsibility, or similar undesirables.
If my memory serves me correctly, he spent about six months in Syria, after which he was summoned to Moscow, where he became a witness in a criminal case right at the airfield. Even then it was clear to me that the status of the respected general would soon be changed.
And so, if you believe public information, which is also confirmed from my sources, Major General Ivan Popov received the status of an accused and was even detained. He is charged with 159 Art. Part 4 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, namely the theft of some space for his position 100 million rubles at defensive structures in the Zaporozhye region. That even for the “smallest” it is clear that this is a complete mess.
– “You can’t lie. You can fuck off!”
– “We don’t need smart people. We need the faithful!”
“>https://t.me/grey_zone/23138

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 21 2024 23:38 utc | 162

Will Schryver
@imetatronink
‼️ As a few commentators had argued in the immediate aftermath, further analysis of historical satellite images confirms that the two MiG-31 hulks destroyed in last week’s ATACMS strikes against the Belbek airbase were indeed long-inoperable decoys.
https://x.com/imetatronink/status/1792713616116093146

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 21 2024 23:46 utc | 163

I’ll try again
The campaigns to defeat Russia over the centuries have always been about a major strike that would defeat it quickly within a year or two at most. To induce its collapse. Because it is impossible to keep people of the Garden fighting for a cause unless they really believe in it. Which is possible only for a short span they can be mesmerised into.
After which they suddenly realise they are being taken for a ride.
The tactics have changed. From Napoleon to Hitler to the current sanctions war, planned after planning the provocation over decades. Including the proxy To The Last ukranian and Russophobia using the Collective Wests military financial supposed supremacy.
That has failed as well. There is nothing left in the tank except excuses and diversion using Narrative Construction. Hoping there will be something that might be of use in the NEXT attempt. A ‘race memory’. Xenophobia and fake history.
There will not be that possibility or any more attempts. Ever. This is it. The final failed attemot.
Unless MAD is chosen as the defeated choice . A mass suicide in the Garden;
The reputations of all the msm rags and elites lie in a complete collective waste. Like a bad stage hypnotist. Comical at best.

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 21 2024 23:54 utc | 164

woops,OT apologies, somehow I thought I was on the Week in Review thread. Over there I make haste to go. Disregard my presence here, ’twas accidental.

Posted by: juliania | May 22 2024 0:02 utc | 165

Victoria Nuland calls for U.S. to bomb Russian targets within Russia:
“I think that if the attacks are coming from directly over the line in Russia then those targets ought to be fair game.”
Yes usa bases all over EU and even in the USA should become fair game as that’s where the weapons and targeting come from

Posted by: Hankster | May 22 2024 0:04 utc | 166

@Patroklos | May 21 2024 18:56 utc | 115
Agree it consumes a lifetime – well a fair share of it anyway …
When I need a distraction into another time – I pick up De Rerum Natura – On the Nature of Things = Lucretius [1st C, BC] – Epicurian Philosophy – and in hexameter verse [not the trans.]!
@juliania | May 21 2024 23:35 utc | 162
No worries Juliana.
What p1sses me off here are those who FAIL to IGNORE trolls.
@all
Just a thought – who decided on this BC/AD anyway?

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 22 2024 0:19 utc | 167

Thank you unimperator (149) for posting the link to Dmitri Orlov’s recent interview, which was insightful.
Key takeaway for me: China has a vested interest for Russia to continue the slow pace of grinding down NATO, which works against the US beginning a second major conflict with China and continues to weaken the US while it is rapidly disintegrating internally.
His speculation re a US Deep State faction promoting domestic opposition to Israel’s ongoing genocide in Palestine as a consequence of the passing of Israel’s strategic utility to the US (due to Iran’s breaking through Israeli air defenses and to the Houthi’s virtual control over Suez Canal passage) is logical. Yet the US support of Israel has never been solely or even primarily logical. I think Orlov underestimates the power of Zionist finance and media over US policy toward Israel.

Posted by: Ciaran | May 22 2024 0:27 utc | 168

Do people still fall for such nonsense?
The Economist and other mainstream news media continue to fall for such nonsense as they have no foreign correspondents on the ground in Ukraine and must rely on Ukrainian mainstream news media (all controlled by the government, and probably by Zelensky’s cronies in particular as they nearly all have backgrounds in entertainment and the media, and none of them probably knows what the business end of a rifle looks like) such as The Kyiv Post for their information. The unhelpful map was probably supplied by the Ukrainian media outlet consulted as well.
The story spun is part of the ongoing narrative of continual Russian overreach and Lord Vlademort Putin attempting to bite off more territory from Ukraine than Russian forces can chew, supposedly as part of the Evil One’s plan to restore the Soviet Union. Of course, this narrative includes the Russian armed forces as being clapped-out wrecks whose soldiers have never seen flushing toilets and working washing machines in all their lives. I’d say there’s a bit amount of psychological projection from the Ukrainians themselves onto the Russians, in spinning this story.
Pity though that our politicians continue to fall for such garbage.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 22 2024 0:31 utc | 169

JulianJ@1916
After returning from his escape into the Ottoman territories following his defeat at Poltava; Karl den Tolvte (Charles XII) of Svearige (Sweden) returned to his kingdom and endeavored to accompany his newer legions against an easier target than Peter the Great’s Russian Empire. So he picked Norway, at that time under the Danish crown, but generally needing to provide their own defenses.
So Konung Karl decided to assault the Norse fortress ad Fredericksberg in southeast Norway. The siege was not going particularly well, so the king decided to cheer on his troops by leading from near the front. Bad decision. A Norskie sharpshooter ended his career by a well-aimed bullet. From that time on, the imperial fantasies of Sweden kinda went down the Big Swirly and has only been resurrected to a degree by contemporary bad leadership by allying itself with the U$$A by becoming part of NATO and a probable early target in the instance that the decadent alliance decides to bait Mama Bear.
Swedish aristocrats insisted that lower orders, tug their forelocks when meeting on the street an aristocrat or churchman. A good many Svenskers decided to emigrate to America as a result…as pointed out by Vilhelm Moberg in his novels. Sweden then evolved into a Social Democratic state, engendering the likes of Dag Hammersjold (assassinated by the CIA while attempting to bring peace to the Congo in ’61 or thereabouts. In recent years, however, that old stubborn streak has taken the reins within the Svear realm once again and once more is tending to run red lights.

Posted by: aristodemos | May 22 2024 1:16 utc | 170

Thomas | May 21 2024 19:18 utc | 122

.. Yes, Black earth drenched with the blood and marrow of a million plus casualties does make for soft ground.
Though it was actually made by a certain group of ghetto ghouls which will be individually named at the Tribunal.
And dealt with accordingly. ..

What you’ve possibly solved here, is :
– who (of WHO/UN’s adjacent guys) will further vote against Israel as on individually named on protocol at the next Den-Hagh ICC tribunal decicions warrant ..?
– All UN-Members (also the ICC, except Russia/China + India?, will vote for the Anti-Israel genocide on-going slaughtering of civilians these days, by bombing even the latest available UN-Aid & Red Cross troops still under IDF fire bombings, as NethanYahoo has ordered to IDF plus Mossad.
– Someone crazy here to take that as a truth? Yes/No.
– All MSM (even Aljazeera) make that propaganda transferring real fact-based issues into the more ‘small minds’ like may be the “truth” on Helicopter bad weather circumstances.
So MoAs, You’re not of that kind of “believing anything” ..
Keep that on-going – even on Raisi’s heli crash death yesterdy not yet clarified technically..
That’s all above mentioned may be a real titles of some captions like, but RF is slowing-down now (reasons of heli crash are known).
Even RF soldiers on ground (Infantry) have some skm moving ‘West’, RF had a lot of some soldiers & commanders lost when on-going “that way” of an ordered aggressive “Direct Offense”.
So, please forget the so-called “Direct Offence” whereever taking on creating a so-called ‘Buffer-zone’ like N-/S-Korean border like for “some 50 km”, it won’t work successfully in the future – be sure.
So it’s only a distracting OP.
RF has a very much lot of “another” possibilities to re-attack NATO strategy planned strikes if targeting the so-called ‘Russian Homelands’.
That would be clearly a disaster on both sides in the near future of some weeks,
US/UK/EU Folks and the Russia/China/India Folks, how do “YOU ALL US-Think tankings” (Nuland, Killary, etc.) have to decide who is the next esoteric evil ghost in North America, spreading worldwide ?
The “final winner” of this pro-nuclear chess game trials may find the 1st. end status, finally placed only on an unpredictable disaster in EUROPE .. – but not in L.A’s Nuland guys resorts – is that her heli staff’s advice where to hide?

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | May 22 2024 1:26 utc | 171

RT REPORTS
Russia launches tactical nuclear drills (VIDEO)
https://www.swentr.site/russia/598001-russia-tactical-nuclear-drills/

The exercise will involve the delivery of nuclear weapons to troops, covert deployment, and preparations to a strike, the Defense Ministry has said
Troops of Russia’s Southern Military District launched the first stage of recently announced tactical nuclear drills on Tuesday, the Defense Ministry in Moscow has confirmed.
When announcing the drills a week previously, the ministry explained that the exercise is designed to serve as a deterrent amid continued escalation between Russia and the West, by demonstrating Moscow’s ability to respond to any external threats.
It will involve delivery of nuclear weapons to troops from storage sites, arming tactical nuclear missiles, and preparation of missile launches, Moscow announced in a statement on Telegram.
The troops will be using the Iskander-M systems, which can fire 9M723-1 ballistic missiles or 9M728 cruise missiles, both of which can carry tactical nuclear warheads with yields between five and 50 kilotons.
The Southern Military District forces will also practice covert deployment operations using the systems, as part of launch-preparation drills, according to the military.
The exercise will also involve nuclear arming of the air-launched missiles, including the state-of-the-art, hypersonic Kinzhal. The Kh-47M2 Kinzhal missiles and the Kh-32 cruise missiles that are delivered by Russian bombers are capable of carrying warheads similar to those mounted on Iskander projectiles. During the drills, Russian aircraft are to fly on patrol missions armed with these missiles, according to the ministry.
A video published by the military shows crews of several Iskander-M systems arming them with missiles and preparing them for launch.
The drills are “aimed at maintaining the combat readiness of the personnel and equipment of the non-strategic nuclear-weapon units,” the ministry’s statement said. It added that Russian forces should be ready to “unconditionally” ensure sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country, amid “provocative statements and threats” made by some Western officials.
Moscow announced the drills earlier in May, citing what it called a “new” and “unprecedented” escalation in the Ukraine conflict. The Kremlin pointed to statements by French President Emmanuel Macron, who has repeatedly refused to rule out a NATO deployment in Ukraine.

and early May
Message to the West: What’s behind Russia’s tactical nuclear drills
https://www.swentr.site/russia/597085-tatical-nuclear-drills-explained/

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | May 22 2024 1:34 utc | 172

Militis@20:44
Lucid and plangent analysis of the comparative irrelevance of Russia’s Black Sea fleet to the overall development of the conflict. Thanks.

Posted by: aristodemos | May 22 2024 1:35 utc | 173

Doctor Eleven@2201
That long, slow disintegration of the U$$A and Perfidious Albion may have ingested a near overdose of Methamphetamine. Thus their decline may be jumping into speed-dial.

Posted by: aristodemos | May 22 2024 1:41 utc | 174

WOW! RT reports a Tucker Carlson interview with Eric Prince, founder and ex-CEO of Blackwater. Blowing the lid off the whole corrupt shebang.
Some highlights:
“The equipment Washington sends to Kiev will never change the tide of battle”, Eric Prince has said.
“American weapons shipments to Ukraine are essentially senseless since they are incapable of changing the course of the conflict.
“The military aid to Ukraine is nothing but a massive grift paid by the Pentagon. The latest $61 billion would end up lining the coffers of the US defense industry giants.
“Most of that money goes to five major defense contractors to replace at five times the cost the weapons that we have already sent the Ukrainians,it does not change the outcome of the battle.
[The American people should hear that].
“Kiev’s forces are already spread very thin and are about to face an ugly summer. All the defenses that were supposed to be built by Ukrainians are much smaller or non-existent, mostly due to the corruption issues.
[The Ukrainian people should hear that].
“Moscow’s forces are going to have a very good summer and would seek to absolutely humiliate the West and make sure they never have a problem with Ukraine again.
[Music to my ears].
“The war should never have started.
“The only thing Washington and its allies are going to achieve in Ukraine is facilitating the demise of the Ukrainian men and destroying this nation for future generations.
[Well, ain’t that the truth. Zelensky should wake up to that].
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Well, there you have it. A real West insider’s honest assessment.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 22 2024 1:48 utc | 175

Well, B, not sure if they fall for US MSM complete fabrications, but if one is aware of what is really going on in the war, US MSM makes for a nice kitty litter box liner, if you’re still inclined to waste money on paper versions of these fabrications, but if not, then it makes for some good laughs!
I read 3 Newsweek articles, 2 Forbes, 2 Reuters articles and all were DELUSIONAL. As I read I asked myself, “Self, what is the true purpose of this crude propaganda?”
My answer was,” Welp, the way these are written, they all have Ukraine shooting down Russian jets, bombing Crimea and taking out ships in the Black Sea, or pushing Russian forces from the front lines….Cant have moronic American taxpayers thinking that 61 billion they just shoveled out is all for not, eh?

Posted by: Kay | May 22 2024 1:50 utc | 176

Jason@2024
“Harvest Ukrainians”??? You come off like some Israeli “mowing the lawn” in Gaza. Most of Ukraine’s frontline troops are now totally horizontal. Huge majority of current conscripts, etc. have very little motivation to battle with their Slavic brothers. Some of them are old enough to recall an SSR which was part of the USSR and the heroic roles of many Ukrainians during WWII.
Those former frontline troops were highly propagandized and twisted into crazy-assed Ukrainian ultranationalism, whereas that country did not even exist as a separate state until the breakup of the USSR under Gorbachev.
Likely that the cooler heads in Moscow would highly prefer that Ukrainian troops surrender en masse, so that the I$raelis and other “interested parties” do not attempt to fill up the soon to be rump state with refugees from currently Occupied Palestine or even those “migrants” from the Global South. The RU does not need them for nearby neighbors. They would rather help to decolonize their lands so that they can develop sustainable societies for themselves, with some assistance from non-colonizer friends.

Posted by: aristodemos | May 22 2024 1:54 utc | 177

Scuzzi: Accidentally, I posted the date rather than the time of Jason’s posting @22:24

Posted by: aristodemos | May 22 2024 1:55 utc | 178

Posted by: juliania | May 21 2024 21:32 utc | 144
Posted by: Patroklos | May 21 2024 18:56 utc | 115
However, somehow or another, both China and Russia, like phoenixes, have bottomed out and then arisen. The bottoming out part is not fun. We are in it. Hang in there.

If the top is noon and the bottom is six, we are around 1 PM. A long way down to go, I’m afraid. If history is any guide, hundreds of millions, if not billions, of us will be for the chopping block.

Posted by: scorpion | May 22 2024 2:03 utc | 179

Urban Fox@22:28
P.C. Roberts may be a crusty old Reaganite fart, but please don’t knock my kid brother and sister’s Boomer generation. That gen is actually split, largely between ’53 and ’54 births, as during that time period an extremely different vibe took hold on those who grew up to graduate high school between the late 60’s and mid 70’s. By the time of the Reaganite revulsion beginning in the 80’s, that second half of the Boomers grabbed the big brass ring and transmutated into consumerists.
As a proud member of the 1940 to ’45 War Baby generation; I’m able to employ a bit of cultural historical perspective on the cycles of the Spiritus Mundi. If you wanna dish a truly fucked up gen, it’s Gen X. That generation commenced with the CIA takedown of JFK on behalf of LB J and his several fellow perps…on 11-22-63 and ran on until ’82 when American coinage of the One Cent Lincoln of nearly pure copper was replaced by a no-ring base-metal. So Gen X grew up at a segment of American history which was swirling downwards down the slippery slope of cultural degradation.
Au Contraire: There is hope with Gens Y and Z as they have essentially shitcanned belief in virtually each and every major institution and a decent proportion of them…most specifically those students demonstrating on campuses across the fruited plain against the Zionist genocide on the ever-suffering Palestinian people of Gaza…are front and center in the Great Awakening. Cosmic time cycles are deeply in play, while chaos currently reigns. Many speed-bumps along the way, but the future is not all doom and gloom.

Posted by: aristodemos | May 22 2024 2:12 utc | 180

Posted by: aristodemos | May 22 2024 2:12 utc | 181
Gen X started in 1965 through to 1980. So the majority would have been born in the 70s and therefore ranged from toddlers to 15 years of age during the extended fallout from the JFK hit. IOW, didn’t have the knowledge, care or agency to be involved with any CIA or other machinations until the mid to late 80s. Just in time for Panama and the first Gulf War. I hadn’t woken up to things until 9/11 but I’m in the middle of the generation.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 22 2024 2:27 utc | 181

Hankster@004
Plausible notion for the R.U. to target U$$A bases, but not the perilous locations in Europe and the U$, specifically.
Logical onset would be the thieving operations in eastern Syria where U$$A forces are illegally occupying Syrian wheat fields and oil producing centers. Small forces…very pliable targets. It could even be done by Syrian ground forces backed by Russian air units.
Should the U$$A Air-Farce, fall into that particular overextension of military over-reach…without permission of the legitimate, elected government of Syria…those bullheaded idiots might attempt to employ airstrikes from Bahrain or other nearby Gulf States. At that juncture, Russia would have the ideal excuse to dispatch a few strictly non-nuclear Kinzhals, et al upon those once more…overestended…bases in the Gulf…mind you, the PERSIAN Gulf.
There may still be a few cool heads in the Pentagon who would carefully point out that Iran could readily shut down the Straits of Hormuz and send world oil prices sky-high as a result. Wall $treet movers and shakers would then be on the verge of jumping outta skyscrapers.
Of course, that entire scenario hinges on the somewhat probable perspective that there ARE cool heads in the Pentagon…and with a lotta luck within the NSA and the Agency. Needles to say: The Department of $tate be damned, as that body is totally under the control of “dual citizens” whose first loyalty is not to America.

Posted by: aristodemos | May 22 2024 2:34 utc | 182

Speaking of Empire narrative management/propaganda.
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-world-war-3-russia-invasion-1902901
IMO this is a significant escalation and it comes from ostensible US elite academia.
WWIII “IMMINENT without Ukraine” and so the answer to b’s questions on whether these clowns really believe this horseshit I have to conclude the answer is a resounding YES.
PS Isn’t Newsweek a CIA rag or am I confusing them with another outlet?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 22 2024 2:37 utc | 183

Jake Blanchard | May 22 2024 1:48 utc | 176
Jake, This Mr Prince is now talking as if is a lilly white, honest guy. He made a huge fortune on the same Pentagon grift, that he is talking about. What should one think of that, and of the fact that Tucker Carlson (an alleged voice for one of the factions of the deep state). I am confused.

Posted by: fanto | May 22 2024 2:42 utc | 184

/warble
I doubt the answer is hidden in scrying the generations’ pop psyche as much as following the money & power and the morally bankrupt willing to enslave themselves (and us) to it. 😉 We’re so close, with so many shaken to their core with appaling tribulation these past few years. It would be a shame if we fell back into in-fighting than staying on target. 🙂
/cheep

Posted by: titmouse | May 22 2024 2:43 utc | 185

Posted by: fanto | May 22 2024 2:42 utc | 185
Maybe he is mad, that as a republican golden boy, he didnt get any of the democrat lucre on this one?

Posted by: UWDude | May 22 2024 2:46 utc | 186

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 22 2024 2:37 utc | 184
Via “Newsweek” – only a clown historian would write this:
“In 1939, Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler entered Czechoslovakia and secured Czech assets for Germany’s armed forces.”
Appeasement is a modern battle cry for warmongers. Germany entered crumbling Czechoslovakia after its leader asked it to send troops for protection from Poland and Hungary. German troops were cheered as they arrived and paraded alongside Czech troops in Prague. Details in this short video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbRFoWgxrao

Posted by: Carlton Meyer | May 22 2024 2:56 utc | 187

Posted by: UWDude | May 21 2024 22:47 utc | 159
I was only commenting on the specific substance of PCR’s quote above, which is merely critical of Putin … sorry, yes, not “anti-Putin”. I only ever watched him once, 2 years ago. Didn’t like, never returned.
I take an instant dislike to ANYONE who pontificates what “Putin should do”, or the even worse phrase “Putin needs to …”. I never have and never will use the phrase. It’s way too thick on the ground round here. In fact, anyone who pontificates what anyone else SHOULD DO shows incredible arogance, naivety, Dunning-Kruger expertise. Even towards my dearest friends, I stop myself saying it. And if people ever say it to me, I feel like punching them for their presumptions of thinking they know better than myself what I should or need to do.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 22 2024 2:59 utc | 188

Don Firineach@019
So you are wondering about the B.C./A.D. calendric calculation. To my perspective they stand for Before Caesar and Anus Dominated. No joke. Think: Domination, Dominion, Dome in Nation, Damn Nation. They are all of a piece, but not of a peace.
The Republican and Imperial Romans established the concept of the Calends long before the Emperor Constantine created the “Holy Bible”. Consider the goofed-up months of the year within the current iteration of the Calendar…the English language version.
Rather than the astronomically and astrologically logical beginning of the year being the Spring Equinox; those crazies confused everyone by nominating the first day of the Two-Faced Roman God Janus, right at the coldest time of year in the northern Hemisphere. Februarius follows and then comes those marching legions of the planet Mars. April, I have yet to research and as for May, or maybe not as well. June evidentially emerges from the Roman Goddess Juno, the consort of Jupiter.
July is the dead-giveaway, as it is birthed on the Tiber in the personna of “the Divine Julius”…Caesar, that is. Therefore, the reference is not the commonly accepted one of Jesus Christ, rather the first dictator of Rome and progenitor for the first Emperor, per se, his nephew, Octavius, who took on the titular name of Augustus…the Augustine Brothers, anyone?…or maybe “Saint” Augustine, who concocted the heresy of “original sin”.
Now it verges into the old numbers racket: September. Though in contemporary Anglais calendars that mostly Virgonian month is the 9th…numerically and numerological the original is “Septem”, the 7th month. Capisce?
From there the racket goes on. By origin, October is the 8th month. However, on accounta generalized mindfuckery, it becomes the Tenth. November signifies 9th, but is relegated to eleventh.
Ultimately, the calendar conspirators left out the decimal pointedness and declared the Grand Finale iteration as December for the final one in the series. Our decimal coinage system here in the ruptured republic is based on the dollar, with the Dime being a tenth of a dollar. There did used to be a 20 cent piece, but for some reason that one got drawn and quartered, leading to the half dollar, at five decimals…Get the drift?
As we emerge into a new Age of humankind, both our current totally abstract lettering system must be replaced by something more grounded AND more Cosmic, as an updated symbological and pictographic re-utilization of our current alphabet, one which originated with the mercantile Phoenicians for accounting purposes. It’s quite useful for book-keeping, but as for being child-friendly or poetically apt? Piss on it.
With a reformulated alphabet and calendar; it is not inconceivable that the doddering and tottering “Western Civilization” may receive a much needed reboot.

Posted by: aristodemos | May 22 2024 3:01 utc | 189

Well, there you have it. A real West insider’s honest assessment.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 22 2024 1:48 utc | 176
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Maybe.
As far as I can tell, he has stated every item covered for a long time in MoA. Perhaps he is an unknown barfly. I have a residence not far from the former Blackwater digs in Moyock NC. I do not consider him anyone special. Give me -b, karlof1, Unimperator, Milites, some of the Jameses, the Aussie and Canuck Brit Dominion faction, some Norwegians, Germans, Froggies, and other members of the MoA Foreign Legion, etc.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 22 2024 3:03 utc | 190

Indeed, many of the protests, while they are correct of Gaza genocide, bear similarities of BLM protests also organized by Sorosites.
Posted by: unimperator | May 21 2024 13:56 utc | 30
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Had not occurred to me, but it makes sense. Worthy of further discussion at an opportune moment.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 22 2024 3:05 utc | 191

Posted by: Carlton Meyer | May 22 2024 2:56 utc | 188
I agree. But most troubling to me is that they’re ramping up the completely fabricated similarities to Hitler and WWII at all, with amplification and fake history emanating from academics. To me it signals a doubling or tripling down on this utter ‘Putler ready to march on Europe’ fear mongering and putting an academic/history repeating sheen on it – especially at this point of the actual war in Ukraine.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 22 2024 3:08 utc | 192

Posted by: unimperator | May 21 2024 13:56 utc | 30
I believe it was UWDude that gave the best take on the alleged Soros angle. IIRC he said maybe, maybe not but he went to a couple of the protests and said it makes no difference. They are acting organically whether or not they get some donations and organizing help from third parties. Which is also what Ive been told by people who went to ones in Texas.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 22 2024 3:14 utc | 193

@Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 22 2024 2:37 utc | 184
Timothy Snyder is a security state anti-Russia polemicist and propagandist with the same linkage to the truth as Robert Conquest. What passes as a professor at an elite US university. An utter Imperial PoS and an apologist for Ukrainian fascism and fabricator of history. WSWS did a good take down of him History and war propaganda: Timothy Snyder falsifies role of Ukrainian fascism

Posted by: Roger | May 22 2024 3:16 utc | 194

Jake, This Mr Prince is now talking as if is a lilly white, honest guy. He made a huge fortune on the same Pentagon grift, that he is talking about. What should one think of that, and of the fact that Tucker Carlson (an alleged voice for one of the factions of the deep state). I am confused.
Posted by: fanto | May 22 2024 2:42 utc | 185
Yes yes yes, I/we all know all about what a war mongering, arms trading, deep state, corrupt corporate puppet cunt Prince is. He’s the US’s own Viktor Bout. But the significance of his statements are:
1, Carlson got him on record criticising his own ex-bosses;
2, That Carlson has a broad (albeit) conservative Western audience;
3, That such a high profile military insider let numerous cats out of the bag.
The reason you are confused, is because, like some round here, you believe in the ridiculous conspiracy that Carlson is some deep state mouthpiece. Just take him as he is — a media disruptor interested in bringing down the Dems through exposing their lies to the American people.
Now, I don’t presume to know what Prince’s motives are for such admissions … lol, maybe he’s found God and Honesty and Truth, or maybe for his own security when the system falls apart and they come after him. Or maybe just paid a lot “for his thoughts”!!!

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 22 2024 3:18 utc | 195

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 22 2024 2:37 utc | 184
They actually have a thing to worry about: the expansion of BRICS and the loss of hegemony, which they don’t have the chops, manpower, or industrial base to regain through war.
So instead the ghost of WWIII.
The problem is basically that the west has always felt that the role of Russia is on its knees. It’s Europe’s Mexico. Why can’t they understand that? And the hatred for Putin has nothing to do with the fact that he’s a dictator. They seldom meet a dictator they don’t love.
No, the hatred for Putin stems from the fact that he was not willing to sell Russian assets for pennies. That he demanded a seat at the table. Upstart!
Many of my commie friends hate him too for not being a commie and for building his base with the support of the Orthodox church, yadda, yadda. I get all that.
But I also so the bigger context: what he was up against from the west. And I have to say, though he made reactionary friends, he seems to be sincere in doing well for Russia, and based on the many interviews I have seen, he is about a hundred times smarter and more knowledgeable about history, economy, war, and politics than ANY western leader I know of.
Anybody who helps put an end to US hegemony, which has killed upward of 20 million people since WWII, is ok by me.

Posted by: JAB | May 22 2024 3:22 utc | 196

Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 22 2024 3:03 utc | 191
Acco, [eye roll], I didn’t mean his statements were original or profound. I meant the significance that ***HE*** got to be on a TC show, and that, as a once world famous shadowy corporate crook in his own right, he has turned-coat against his old masters, as per my #196.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | May 22 2024 3:28 utc | 197

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 21 2024 23:54 utc | 165
They think they can defeat Russia in at least two years because they have complete contempt for Russia and fundamentally feel that the only reason for Russia to exist is to serve the West. Apparently Russians have yet to achieve honorary white status.
So be it. I guess they have to keep learning this lesson over and over again. Though currently, the Ukrainian war is mostly about money laundering. I wonder if they ever expected to win the war.
I remember watching a ten part documentary about the Russian campaign during WWII and learning how in the early part of the war, Russia had to move its entire heavy industry to Siberia so as to be out of range of German bombers. They managed to do that in about 2 months. And I remember thinking, “these people cannot be defeated.”
Amen.

Posted by: JAB | May 22 2024 3:32 utc | 198

Tom C. Collins@259
You are hereby accused and convicted of complicity with “official” conglomerative concepts of generational depiction.
Human events of major magnitude determine generational breaks. What more significant event could there possibly be than the deliberate murder of our last truly American president by a consortium of conspirators? Involved were LBJ…often revealed by researchers as a Crypto though his maternal side. He essentially blackmailed Kennedy to make him his running-mate…with nefarious intentions of becoming the “Big Guy”…and more. than that, as JFK was bucking Zionist schemes to give nukes to the rulers of Occupied Palestine.
The conspiratorial circle included “Bombs Away” Curtis LeMay, along with fellow Air-Farce “bomb em into oblivion” Lyman Lemnitzer, yet another Zionist who just happened to be the Pentagon’s Chief of Staff. Those two schemers were closely tied to “Operation Northwoods”, an attempt to develop a false-flag attack on American planes and ships and blame it on Castro.
From the Pentagram, we devolve into the Agency, then headed by the extremely conspiratorial Allen Dulles, brother John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State formass-murderer of surrendered German soldiers in the Ruhr Pocket, Dwight D. Eisenhower, who was magically elevated from a mere Light Colonel on MacArthur’s staff to Four Star rank by Bernard Baruch, a trusted adviser and colleague of FDR. He never led troops in combat, rather a deeply obedient political general. So that covers the former Commander in Chief, the head of the premiere administrative department and his dearly beloved brother, who got his training in the OSS (Oh So Social) predecessor of the Agency…and yet another Eli…even if not a member of Skull n’ Bones.
As for internal security, we propose J. Edna Hoovervac, the self-hating drag-quean who possessed the #1 blackmailing ring in the country, the FeeBees. Like Allen Dulles, Hoover was slated for dumping by 1-21-65. He may have been the original for “my prescious”…that gang of thieves who confiscate personally various items of interest as “evidence” which is never…or rarely…presented in court.
Then there’s the little matter of Kennedy wanting to pull the troops outta Vietnam before things got too serious. Thus, we must consider the major shareholders in the WarDefense Industry and also the oil-barons, headed up by the Rottenfeller Crime Clan…also with dogs in the fight.
If that’s not enough to declare the generational fissure, we have one more candied-date, one George Herbert Walker Bu$h, an Agency “asset” and son of a Congressionally convicted war criminal, Prescott Bu$h, who somehow managed to slip outta those grips and won a Senate seat in the most deeply corrupted entity in the Union, the self-styled “Nutmeg State”. The State of Dupont…aka Delaware…comes in a close second. Researchers have indicated that GHWB was the manager on the spot on that dreadful day in Dallas. When asked by an investigative committee where he was on that day, he mumbled and demurred in a most suspicious manner.
Finally: Yes, I admit to long-windedness. However as an historian by training and a journalist by profession; I do a lot of research into “forbidden” zones of understanding and knowledge. Do you happen to recall when American coinage from the dime to the dollar were all comprised of more than 90% silver and which featured Lady Liberty on such coinage. In 1947, the same year when Harryassed Truman was in office, the half-dollar switched from the symbol of liberty to a rather ugly visage of Ben Franklin. Years earlier, probably under the regime of the blackmailed Woodrow Wilson, the image of George Washington replaced “Our Lady of Righteousness” on the quarter.
So to the final point…at last…the generational switch in ’82 was when the primarily pure copper penny was replaced by some base-metal bit of meaninglessness. Thus, by proper historical research and reasoning, Gen Xers were born after JFK was taken down by a cabal of schemers in ’63 and terminated by ’82. There is no “law” which demands that generations last for exactly 20 years.
Cosmic time cycles do not operate on abstract principles.

Posted by: aristodemos | May 22 2024 3:34 utc | 199

@ aristodemos | May 22 2024 3:01 utc | 190
Quelle surprise! I was not expecting any answer but your’s is delightful …. Dominus vobiscum and all that Latin etc
I’m up before dawn on each equinox, long day, long night etc The Old Irish Druids Calendar.
And before them the Irish ancients about 5,200 years ago (3,200 B.C.) who clearly understood mathematics and construction … and a spot of star gazing. check this out – the Winter Solstice is streamed live every year – weather permitting
Newgrange – World Heritage Site
Newgrange was built by Stone Age farmers, the mound is 85m (279ft) in diameter and 13m (43ft) high, an area of about 1 acre. A passage measuring 19m (62ft) leads into a chamber with 3 alcoves. The passage and chamber are aligned with the rising sun on the mornings around the Winter Solstice.
Access to the Newgrange monument is via the Brú na Bóinne Visitors Centre.
Newgrange is a Stone Age (Neolithic) monument in the Boyne Valley, County Meath, it is the jewel in the crown of Ireland’s Ancient East. Newgrange was constructed about 5,200 years ago (3,200 B.C.) which makes it older than Stonehenge and the Great Pyramids of Giza. The mound is ringed by 97 large kerbstones, some of which are engraved with symbols called megalithic art; the most striking is the entrance stone.
Newgrange was built by a farming community that prospered on the rich lands of the Boyne Valley. Knowth and Dowth are similar mounds that together with Newgrange have been designated a World Heritage Site by UNESCO.
Archaeologists classified Newgrange as a passage tomb, however Newgrange is now recognised to be much more than a passage tomb. Ancient Temple is a more fitting classification, a place of astrological, spiritual, religious and ceremonial importance, much as present day cathedrals are places of prestige and worship where dignitaries may be laid to rest.
Newgrange is a large kidney shaped mound covering an area of over one acre, retained at the base by 97 kerbstones, some of which are richly decorated with megalithic art. The 19m (62ft) long inner passage leads to a cruciform chamber with a corbelled roof. The amount of time and labour invested in construction of Newgrange suggests a well-organized society with specialised groups responsible for different aspects of construction.
Read on: check your diary for upcoming Winter delights
https://www.newgrange.com/
Of Course we can also go back to the Siberian shamen, ~8,000 years ago, and the emergence of Chinese civilization … with fragments in the I Ching and the Tao Te Ching etc ….

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 22 2024 3:53 utc | 200