ICC Prosecutor Asks For Arrest Warrants For Netanyahoo, Gallant And Others
Today the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Karim A.A. Khan KC, has filed applications for warrants of arrest before a pre-trial chamber of the court.
These concern both sides of the conflict in Palestine:
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023:
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All three persons are already under threat of assassination by Israel. They do not travel and stay out of the public. Even if arrest warrants are granted against them they are unlikely to be concerned by that.
On the other side of the conflict that may well be a different issue:
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:
- Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute;
- Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
- Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
- Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i);
- Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity;
- Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h);
- Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).
Should the arrest warrants against Netanyahoo and Galant be granted they will have to end all travel to or through those many countries which are member states of the Rome statute. (The U.S., Israel, Russia and Sudan have signed the Rome statute but did not become member states.)
Member states are under obligation to fulfill arrest warrants should the ICC prosecutor have valid ones. There is also a stigma coming with the warrants that will prevent pro-Zionist politicians from Europe and elsewhere from meeting with Netanyahoo or other involved persons.
Posted by b on May 20, 2024 at 13:06 UTC | Permalink
next page »The viability of the ICC is already over, and their main patron has already threatened sanctions if this prosecution goes ahead.
Good for headlines, but nothing else.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | May 20 2024 13:17 utc | 2
So the threats last week from Congress didn't get the results their Mafia style manners thought they would. Who cares if nutjob gets to trial. It puts Israel in its place as a sanctioned excluded internationally nation. No more soccer no more competitions etc. Look at russia , banned from cat competitions and such. Israelis that can will leave the money will go as there should be financial sanctions, leaving the poor and looney fanatics who will only increase the speed of the nation in the drain hole.
On a personal note. 3 cheers for the news , hip hip hooray, about f'ing time
Posted by: Hankster | May 20 2024 13:20 utc | 3
Very difficult to see what war crimes Ismail Haniyeh is supposed to have committed. He's been away in Doha, negotiating on behalf of Gaza.
It is evident that the prosecutors felt the need to balance accusations against Israelis with something, even invented, against the Gazans.
Posted by: laguerre | May 20 2024 13:23 utc | 4
Very good to see these warrants issued, making pariahs of the people involved.
Posted by: Hankster | May 20 2024 13:20 utc | 3
No more soccer no more competitions etc. Look at russia , banned from cat competitions and such. Israelis that can will leave the money will go as there should be financial sanctions
Just like as Russians could do with Putin, the Israeli public could avoid all this by simply dumping everyone named in the warrants.
Posted by: Inka | May 20 2024 13:30 utc | 5
RE: Posted by: They Call Me Mister | May 20 2024 13:17 utc | 2
Agree. Spent their first decade going after only black African national leaders as US/UK dogs off a leash. Then recent actually illegal warrant of Putin, and is illegal, to this hocus circus of again doing US bidding.
US wants Netanyahoo gone. Gallant just as expendable.
The set up is simple, when ICJ comes back with order of cessation of hostilities… the US will once again, for the 5th time, insist Hamas be labeled a “terrorist organization”, for Israel and US legal cover and that would mean the UNSC would implicate the Hamas responsible for all crimes.
They now can go to UNSC with Ceasefire and include ICC warrant against that “terrorist organization” Hamas!
Russia and China won’t budge, but US trying to suggest via ICC, that genocide was just cuz of those 2 people, not “Israel” and caused by that “terrorist organization” and see we have proof…
The U.S. is pathetic. The ICC should be dismantled & disintegrated into ashes immediately.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 20 2024 13:32 utc | 7
I see this as positive.
It's an international communication reminding the world of the starvating war crime method used by israel against palestinians.
I think when netanyahu get lost of the government, he will lose his immunity, and would have to stay hidden.
On the other hand, sinwar and deif are already hidden and will remain hidden for decades.
Posted by: AnimaL | May 20 2024 13:34 utc | 8
Didn't see that one coming. It's not actual warrants yet, but still...wow.
Looks like they're leaving Bibi with two choices:
a. give in, accept his fate & call snap elections
b. escalate the conflict, knowing that US/UK/EU will "stand by Israel"
Posted by: smuks | May 20 2024 13:35 utc | 9
Somewhat related, a German administrative court condemned the travel ban on Scottish/Palestinian doctor imposed by German police as a part of a wider blatant violation of civil rights that occurred in Berlin using police units brought from Saxony and Lower Saxony.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 20 2024 13:36 utc | 10
The simultaneous attack on Hamas doesn't strike me as so evenhanded. I'm not sure that every person or institution that starts off by conceding the wickedness of Hamas and its utter indefensibility isn't being inconsistent in "opposing" the Zionists. People who are openly inconsistent tend to have difficulties in getting things done. Maybe that's why the ICC people thought they had to direct fire against both Hamas and Netanyahu? But as near as I can tell that's not being evenhanded, because 1)the Hamas leadership is not at liberty to do what they want, they are driven by the compulsions inherent in an ongoing war imposed by the Zionist state. Charging both a starving man shoplifting food and a well-to=do wife walking away from a high-end jewelry store with a diamond bracelet strikes me as a comparable kind of "evenhandedness."
Worse, 2)the Zionists' embarrassment goes away when Netanyahu goes away, whether it's old age that does him in or not. But smashing Hamas leadership when it's under attack is a political assault I think, an example of what's meant by the term "lawfare." I'm not quite so cheered by this. If anything it seems to be driven by a false perspective that the problem is Bibi. But it's not, it's the whole Zionist enterprise. Assassination of Netanyahu, whether literal or political/legal as here, is not apt to be a useful tool, because there's a lot of Bibis and even worse out there.
Posted by: steven t johnson | May 20 2024 13:37 utc | 11
Shocked that the ICC issued these warrants. The ICC was always a plaything of the War Party in Washington. Going against Washington is a dramatic turnaround for the ICC.
Therefore, one can reasonable conclude that the global constellation of forces has changed
Posted by: Exile | May 20 2024 13:37 utc | 12
Typical Khan. As if there is any moral, legal or other equivalence of Israel's and Hamas's use of violence.
The Settler Colonial State occupies Palestine, drives out its people, deprives them of their statehood, their right to exist and other human rights, before killing them through bombing, water deprivation and starvation.
The Palestinians, on the other hand, fight to defeat this oppression and to actually survive.
The ICC in general and that legal moron Khan KC in particular, have confirmed, once again, themselves to be the political tools of the West. Fuck them!
Posted by: Vragtes | May 20 2024 13:38 utc | 13
"All three persons are already under threat of assassination by Israel. They do not travel and stay out of the public. Even if arrest warrants are granted against them they are unlikely to be concerned by that."
Yes, Hamas is hardly the main target on this one. The United Arab Emirates are not a state party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. Neither is Qatar, nor Egypt.
So any travels they might do are generally as safe as before.
Now I'll refrain from taking this as a win as the ICC has been so one sided so far that this cheap trick get some legitimacy back is not enough to cheer for them.
And even if NutsYahoo was caught and delivered to the ICC there's always The Hague Invasion Act, the US would just barge into the Netherlands and get him back. What's a little extraction between "allies" , hell they've bombed nordstream and all the german asked was if they wanted sauerkraut with that...
Posted by: Newbie | May 20 2024 13:39 utc | 14
Further items will surely follow:
Sanctions of various kinds
Declaring the Likud, IDF, and other entities are joint criminal enterprises
Posted by: Exile | May 20 2024 13:40 utc | 15
Pardon my ignorance, but if Khan is only seeking arrest warrants, who/what actually issues them, and does that entity have the right to refuse to do so?
The “both sides are guilty” equivocation stinks of course, and I’m not convince this is more satisfying that your average everyday nothingburger (like the latest, just-announced prolongation of the Assange martyrdom).
Posted by: malenkov | May 20 2024 13:53 utc | 16
Well, gosh, good thing that Karim A.A. Khan waited until after the Eurovision Song Contest had concluded, otherwise it would have overshadowed Israel's entry in that contest .... wait, nevermind.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 20 2024 13:54 utc | 17
I think it is Biden’s administration trying to get rid of Netanyahu
Posted by: RB | May 20 2024 14:02 utc | 18
@4 Laguerre Ismail Haniyeh's name on any arrest warrant is a sop to the West. An attempt to deflect any whataboutisms regarding Netanyahu.
But I'm quite certain that if push comes to shove and Haniyeh were to be arrested (how? dunno) and brought before the court in The Hague he would be able to beat that rap.
Haniyeh: I wasn't there.
Haniyeh: I don't take part in military planning.
Haniyeh: You'd have to ask Sinwar that question.
Haniyeh: No, I'm trying to END this conflict.
Remember that the onus of proof is on the prosecutor, not the accused.
Khan would have a hellova' time trying to prove that Haniyeh "bears any criminal responsibility" for what happened on October 7th.
Sinwar, definitely.
Al-Masri, definitely.
But Haniyeh? That's a much tougher brief, one so difficult that Khan probably won't try very hard.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 20 2024 14:06 utc | 19
@18 RB "I think it is Biden’s administration trying to get rid of Netanyahu"
Or it may be a Machiavellian way of Biden gaining leverage over Netanyahu while at the same time Biden can dodge any accusation that he is attempting to squeeze Bibi's Balls(tm).
So if that's what they are trying to do then it has some merit: sure, Bibi, we can make it go away. For a price.
But either scenario seems unlikely. Biden and his ship of fools don't strike me as that clever. Or competent.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 20 2024 14:11 utc | 20
Notify me when Netanyahu and Gallant are arrested, somehow I doubt it will happen. I also agree with steven t johnson | May 20 2024 13:37 utc | 11
Posted by: Norwegian | May 20 2024 14:11 utc | 21
the big cynic in me sees this all as a big charade.
us/eu face mounting worldwide image problems by aiding israel in its warcrimes.
putin, "wanted" by the icc, still not in custody.
they can now play a two-for-one by implying that "see, we have heard you and will trial nuttyahoo as a warcriminal." thus washing their hands free of the "aiding" part. media will blart for the icc so loud, that the world will memoryhole the fact that us/eu enabled israel in the first place.
then, by giving legitimacy to the icc, they will remind everyone that putin is still on the wanted list for "his warcrimes", and demand him visiting the hague.
i mean, we all know how deceitfull anything the us/nato/eu do is.
Posted by: Justpassinby | May 20 2024 14:16 utc | 22
The ICC has no grasp on history or what happened on October 7. While I am no fan of radical Islam, I support the resistance in Palestine 100%. Sinwar, al-Masri, Haniyeh are resistance leaders. All the “evidence” that they are war criminals comes from the Oct. 7 narrative cooked up by Israel and pushed by a compliant media.
If Winston Churchill ever said anything of worth, it is that during war truth must be protected by a bodyguard of lies. I am paraphrasing, not sure of the exact quote, but that’s the gist of it.
There is plenty of evidence the deaths at the “rave” outside the Gaza concentration camp were the result of Israel’s “Hannibal Directive.” There is video evidence of Zionist attack helicopters firing hellfire missiles at cars and mowing down ravers.
As for the deaths inside the “envelope,” these are largely military deaths, there is no evidence of babies shoved in ovens, etc. It should be noted that every “Israeli” between the ages of 18 and 60 (or so) is required to serve in the Zionist military, thus the “hostages” are primarily POWs, although this would be considered sketchy by international law.
Here’s an idea for the worthless, ignorant, and ineffective ICC. Have your staff go through the hundreds of videos on TikTok and X posted by racist Zionist soldiers, identify those engaged in war crimes, and those bragging about them, and compile a list of criminals to be prosecuted. Moreover, I can’t imagine why Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir aren’t on this list. Or dozens of other settlers guilty of killing Palestinians in the West Bank.
Finally, this will go nowhere. It will disappear from the headlines. With US and Israel pressure, Netanyahu and Gallant will be removed from the list. That will only leave Palestinians. Imagine my surprise.
Posted by: Minimus | May 20 2024 14:17 utc | 23
The “both sides are guilty” equivocation stinks of course, and I’m not convince this is more satisfying that your average everyday nothingburger (like the latest, just-announced prolongation of the Assange martyrdom).
Posted by: malenkov | May 20 2024 13:53 utc | 1
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I expect this "equivocation" is a hedge intended to preempt being targeted by the US. I imagine that most, or much, of the RoW will read it this way.
I think this is a lot better than nothing!
The text does list in considerable detail the crimes underpinning the arrest request.
Posted by: Jane | May 20 2024 14:21 utc | 24
Therefore, one can reasonable conclude that the global constellation of forces has changed
Posted by: Exile | May 20 2024 13:37 utc | 12
I agree. This would have been utterly unthinkable 10 years ago.
But, it hasn't changed completely. The reason that the ICC issued warrants for bot Israeli and Hamas leaders at the same time was to avoid accusations of antisemitism. Had the ICC staggered them in time or only issued warrants for Israeli leaders it would have been loudly denounced for antisemitism because the Israeli lobby is still very powerful.
Still, not powerful enough to completely shield Israel from pressure over months of outrageous war crimes by European international orgs and that is a huge change.
Posted by: team10tim | May 20 2024 14:24 utc | 25
Questions
Has the USA been #1 sponsor of Netanyahu's Genocide?
Is the Biden regime above the law? Don't all of them have much in common with Hitler's group who also felt they were above the law?
If the US/UK/NATO officials take orders from AIPAC, who does AIPAC take their orders from?
Do they take orders from relatively sinister insanely selfish western ruling elite Jews, who've held power (banks, petro, politicians) for centuries? Employing the best & brightest humans that their dollars can buy? Do they use endless wars, big lies & chaos to distract us from their existence? Are they masters at the art of deception & dirty tricks? Is their MO: "divide, corrupt, dumb down, & distract & conquer"?
Could such a ruling elite be desperately freaking out now, because 1) their old solutions are no longer working, 2) the people are sick & tired of being sick & tired of them & sense that the nefarious elite have retarded the development of the human civilization with endless wars & by disappearing free/clean energy inventions; and the fact that 3) they can no longer hide the truth?
Does "Apocalypse": really mean an unveiling or unfolding of things not previously known &which could not be known b4 the unveiling?
Is Information that is esoteric today become Exoteric tommorrrow? Will all be revealed in good time?
"We must drag the machinations of the powerful into the daylight for all to see... we must be unapologetic about that most basic need of humanity - the desire to know." Julian Assange
"...Raise your voices. Tell the world your needs; your needs for peace... justice & freedom; the need of all people to live in harmony, no matter the religion, the colour, the race. -the World Teacher
Posted by: Toby C | May 20 2024 14:26 utc | 26
This is the statement issued by the Office of the ICC Prosecutor
The Prosecutor is SO afraid of Israel and the US that he has made a long excuse to Israel/US in the statement and even set up a group of legal names that he hides behind. Unbelievable!
There is a lot to say about this statement that comes from a pathetic individual who is unfortunately the ICC Prosecutor.
Charging the N and the G is right, of course, but there is no genocide charge. Shame on Khan and his team.
Posted by: JB | May 20 2024 14:34 utc | 27
Piotr Berman
<< Somewhat related, a German administrative court condemned the travel ban on Scottish/Palestinian doctor imposed by German police >>
They should do the same for Yanis Yaroufakis
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | May 20 2024 14:51 utc | 28
Exile | May 20 2024 13:37 utc | 12
That constellation changed when the American Speaker of Congress was deposed. The war party anticipated he would be in power for everything that followed, they were outmanouvered by Atlanticist establishmentarians and events in Slovakia and Iran are their desparate responses. Accountability will not take the form most anticipate but it has already begun. Remember Putin's words before the operation in Ukraine: "there will be new elites" in the west. This is part of that process.
Posted by: Wikipeaks | May 20 2024 14:55 utc | 29
Huge loud fart by Biden in a Georgia election campaign meeting
https://youtu.be/9Y1ug-5WMpE?si=_Q3VWyANoWfKt0eZ
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | May 20 2024 14:56 utc | 30
Strangely enough this plays into the current Israeli govt positive outcomes, as it shows that the rest of the world is anti-Semitic.
See what Smotrich and Ben-Gvir have to say (they are the nominal leaders of the 'crazies faction').
Posted by: Polli | May 20 2024 15:01 utc | 31
thanks b.... i share others concerns here - laguerre, steven t. johnson and etc...
didn't the icc issue an arrest warrant for putin? now, maybe the icc is changing, but it seems to be still very politicized..
Posted by: james | May 20 2024 15:15 utc | 32
What would happen if Hamas surrendered its leaders to the ICC?
They could easily appoint new leaders, and they would get to relay their version of Oct. 7th and refute the Israeli version of events. It would make the Israelis look bad in front of the international community if only Hamas is willing to submit to ICC justice.
Realistically, how would this play out?
Posted by: team10tim | May 20 2024 15:16 utc | 33
Imo, the forthcoming arrest warrants from the ICC are utterly meaningless. As a people trying to survive lethal long-term occupation by violent racist jews, Palestinians have the right to resist the occupier by ANY available means.
Jewrael has zero right of self-defense. If this is some kind of sick joke, it's not a bit funny.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 20 2024 15:18 utc | 34
Take that word, "Jewrael", out of your statement and I sign it too.
Posted by: Framarz | May 20 2024 15:28 utc | 35
Posted by: Framarz | May 20 2024 15:28 utc | 35
With due respect, the only reason the jews call Jewrael "Israel" is so they can refer to themselves as "Israelis" instead of "Jews." Since "Israel" is nothing more than a figment of jewish collective imagination, and a lie, they could at least try to be honest. Just because something is in the Bible doesn't make it true.
P.S. Tell Jesus how many loaves and fishes you'd like with that.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 20 2024 15:53 utc | 36
Hamas as ever remains a creature of Mossad, the grunts might consider themselves true revolutionaries and/or earnest fanatics, but Hamas in its origins and indeed perhaps in its ongoing most secret machinations may well remain a compartmentalized creature of Mossad. Not least because it gives strength, succor, and pseudo justice to the perpetual war party (expansionist and supremacist) in Israel and beyond. True pacifism, a la Gandhi, would be propagandistically exceedingly more irksome for the present, and indeed certain previous, Israeli regime(s), but Israel surely has shown no hesitancy in eliminating promising incorruptible Palestinian leaders, indeed they probably make it a priority of neutralizing those first, especially those demonstrating incipient brilliance in pacifist resistance.
Posted by: Ludo | May 20 2024 16:01 utc | 37
the kahn the khan
as in khan cohen cohan
bb is the head but not the head
bad play wake me up when the military are arresting the hundreds of blairs boris camerons bushes the roth stein stains
these demons do not get gaol
all part of the shoah
Posted by: todd | May 20 2024 16:04 utc | 38
The Arabs tried non-violent resistance for many years. The result was ethnic cleansing and mass murder.
Posted by: Exile | May 20 2024 16:06 utc | 39
18:27 Al-Quds Brigades: We. in cooperation with Al-Ansar Brigades, bombarded Gaza enclave settlements with missile barrages
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9 IDF brigades flooding tiny Gaza and yet the Arabs still pop off rockets every single day outside the Gaza walls.
Posted by: Exile | May 20 2024 16:09 utc | 40
Advertisers could use the Biden farting clip in a Depends ad.
America! We're number 1 in flatulence!
Posted by: morongobill | May 20 2024 16:11 utc | 41
Haniyeh is a political leader of Hamas, based in Doha. He has been coordinating Hamas' positions in the mediated negotiations with Israel. Does the ICC possess information which establishes some kind of direct role or participation in the events of Oct 7? Absent that, the indictment specifically against Haniyeh may serve to hinder the negotiation processes which will eventually resume (which might be the point).
Notions that the indicted should surrender to the court and prove their case according to law should consider what happened to Milosevic.
Posted by: jayc | May 20 2024 16:14 utc | 42
@34 Hoarsewhisperer Not all of them.
But Haniyeh surrendering himself to the court really would put the cat amongst the pigeons since the case against him would be very weak.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 20 2024 16:16 utc | 43
@ Andrew Sarchus | May 20 2024 14:51 utc | 28
Good point. I think Varoufakis is already acting to legally challenge this absurd ban.
Posted by: Memory Man | May 20 2024 16:26 utc | 44
The ICC's head prosecutor Khan is covering his back by asking for warrants for the other three besides Netanyahu and his defence minister.
The world is watching the ICC, its credibility hangs by a thread now, if it gets this wrong and I wouldn't put Khan and Co to get it wrong then no country will look upon the ICC with any jurisdiction, already it has made a fool of itself by issuing a warrant for Putin whilst it let the Zionist commit genocide, well documented genocide at that.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 20 2024 16:27 utc | 45
nothing sovereign nothing that can be verified
just an illusion
everything since the end of waterloo and the rothstein takeover everything has been a nicholas roeg mirror
fiction as in legal
look in an old law dictionary put in colour color of law fiction acts by demonic actors.
this place called is
is not real it is a counterfeit
nothing valid here hare here.
this word play is to keep the perception of order belief in the law the rule of law ha ha ha lol lol
the law of the jungle tel aviv style means you can take your bank managers house kill him and his family and sit it out slowly working your way to the other properties down the street....not a good look that
so this is a play an act a ploy to keep the goyim paying taxes obeying folks like justin castro in canuck land little sunak in londonostan
perception management
what we see is as tangible as a dream
Posted by: todd | May 20 2024 16:44 utc | 46
Too bad G.W. Buh or any US president will ever be tried, jailed, etc.
Posted by: lester | May 20 2024 16:53 utc | 47
The ICC is a joke. They certainly don’t care about Muslim genocide or they would go after Xi.
China: Draconian repression of Muslims in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity
“Hundreds of thousands of Muslim minority men and women subjected to mass internment and torture.”
Amnesty International
Posted by: Napoleon | May 20 2024 16:55 utc | 48
the kahn the khan
as in khan cohen cohan
Posted by: todd | May 20 2024 16:04 utc | 38
No, khan is not the same word as cohen. Cohen is priest in hebrew, and there's a cognate word in Arabic- Kahin for pre-Islamic priest. Khan is Turco-Mongol, short for Khagan or Khaqan, ruler or tribal chief. That's why lots of people called Khan are to be found in Pakistan.
Posted by: laguerre | May 20 2024 16:58 utc | 49
[email protected] you have kids, wife, loved ones, that's why you hide your name....it's not like Liam Neeson has his back. Those fuckers would tap yer wheelchair bound granny for fun....
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 20 2024 17:02 utc | 50
Wow, this is absolutely amazing:
"My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas (together with other Palestinian Armed Groups) running in parallel." ... " My Office also has jurisdiction over crimes committed by nationals of States Parties and by the nationals of non-States Parties on the territory of a State Party."
The Prosecutor is stating that is has juridiction both as an inter-state conflict and an intra-state conflict. This gets around the constant play acting by Israel and the US that sometimes Palestine is a separate country for which Israel has no responsibility, and sometimes it is an internal matter for Israel, for which the world has no say. And it guts Israel's "we aren't a party to the treaty" claims.
Regarding the seeking of warrants for Hamas leaders as well, this appears to be quite political to provide PR cover in the West. Some of the charges don't make any sense, e.g.: "the taking of at least 245 hostages." We know that a very large number of these were soldiers, and taking them prisoner is not a violation of the Rome statute. The prosecutor must know this too, and the fact that they didn't try to parse this out means the claim is just PR. Likewise, the reference "contemporaneous video and documentary evidence" of rape in captivity. No such evidence has come out, and they know this. This claim is to assuage Western audiences (and subtly to pressure Israel to allow an investigation), but won't hold up.
This is really well done and very positive. The US and Israel are both 100% certain to overreact, and to further isolate themselves because of this.
Posted by: Bob | May 20 2024 17:03 utc | 51
Strangely enough this plays into the current Israeli govt positive outcomes, as it shows that the rest of the world is anti-Semitic.
See what Smotrich and Ben-Gvir have to say (they are the nominal leaders of the 'crazies faction').
Posted by: Polli | May 20 2024 15:01 utc | 31
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I think the barn doors are open on that one (criticism of genocide = antisemitism) and the horse is finally heading for the exit.
Or, Wile E Coyote (AIPAC/Greenblatt) has run off the cliff but his legs are still windmilling . . .
Posted by: Jane | May 20 2024 17:03 utc | 52
FLASHBACK: Former British MI5 Agent Annie Machon Explains How Mossad Bombed the Israeli Embassy in London in 1994 - and Stitched Up Two Prominent Palestinian Activists to Take the Rap
Samar Alami and Jawad Botmeh received 20-year sentences for a crime they didn't commit.
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | May 20 2024 17:10 utc | 53
Wow, this is absolutely amazing:
"My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas (together with other Palestinian Armed Groups) running in parallel." ... " My Office also has jurisdiction over crimes committed by nationals of States Parties and by the nationals of non-States Parties on the territory of a State Party."
The Prosecutor is stating that it has jurisdiction both as an inter-state conflict and an intra-state conflict. This gets around the constant play acting by Israel and the US that sometimes Palestine is a separate country for which Israel has no responsibility, and sometimes it is an internal matter for Israel, for which the world has no say. And it guts Israel's "we aren't a party to the treaty" claims.
Regarding the seeking of warrants for Hamas leaders as well, this appears to be quite political to provide PR cover in the West. . . .
This is really well done and very positive. The US and Israel are both 100% certain to overreact, and to further isolate themselves because of this.
Posted by: Bob | May 20 2024 17:03 utc | 51
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Bob, I noticed those passages, too---especially the one about jurisdiction, treating Palestine as a state.
Thanks for the further comment on these.
I agree that this document is quite a positive development.
Posted by: Jane | May 20 2024 17:15 utc | 54
I'm surprised an arrest warrent was not requested for Genocide Joe also. Afterall, he is as complicit in the mass murdering, mayhem, and general carnage that is going on in Palestine just as much as Nutandyahoo.
As to the Hamas leaders, as others have already noted here, their arrest requests are truly confusing. Whatever they did is truly trival to what Israel is currently doing.
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | May 20 2024 17:19 utc | 55
Surely welcomed by all rational folks worldwide........
The IDF under command of Gallant and Bibi have committed clear genocide by starvation and dislocation and disease.
They have admitted that they have used an AI Lavender program to target and kill Palestinian civil servants including police officers, nurses, doctors, firefighters, municipal clerks.
They have destroyed all civilian infrastructure including telephone systems, water and sewer system, hospitals, aid stations, food warehouses, and supply trucks.
They have admitted killing aid workers, and food aid volunteers.
They have admitted targeting hospitals and killing doctors, nurses, patients, and staff, and sheltering war refugees and then bulldozing their bodies.
They have admitted targeting Catholic and Orthodox churches, schools and meeting halls and all Islamic Mosques in the Gaza and the West Bank
They have murdered over 45,000 civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, often seizing their farmlands, orchards, vineyards and pastures, and destroying their crops.
They have maimed over 100,000 civilians and refused to provide any medical care what so ever.
They have summarily executed Prisoners of War, tortured same, and mutilated their bodies......
They have executed hostages as they surrendered.......
Posted by: Tobias Cole | May 20 2024 18:11 utc | 56
RE: “This is really well done and very positive. The US and Israel are both 100% certain to overreact, and to further isolate themselves because of this.”
Posted by: Bob | May 20 2024 17:03 utc | 51
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Actually totally stupid.
ICC has no Gaza Strip jurisdiction. The PLA & its UN Member Observer Status, never included Gaza Strip. Just West Bank. Since 2006 elections, Gaza has own representatives & “autonomous” region, was never “recognized” in PLA/PLO territory terms. Only the UN asserts resolution of 1967 Border, but again, no full membership & no permanent member status.
The Legal challenges by Hamas and Israel, where neither are signatures of ICC, and on territory, currently autonomous, occupied by Israel are completely fuzzy lines.
US orchestrated this PR optical illusion… littered with legal loopholes..
Why??
1) Removal /acquiescence of Netanyahu. Retire, go back to states and live your days out where ICC can’t touch you.
2) Offered Gallant coup take over of Israel, Gallant refused, insulted the WH mafia.
3) Got Sinwar et el unable to reside or be part of negotiations in DOHO or Egypt.
4) Front running ICJ order for ceasefire that will inevitably results in another UNSC resolution. Another US “validated” clause of “Hamas is a terrorist organization” attempt for global, UNSC recognition & thus “actionable”. Russia & China’s veto will look “unreasonable” since even the “ICC states they’re War criminals”
ICC is a West tool, and once again comes to the rescue.
It’s no longer “Israeli/US war crimes”… but “Netanyahu & Gallant” war crimes… another narrative shift. Public will think: Netanyahu gone—- problem solved, when it’s all a crock. They do this every regime change. Discredit anyone with a brain.
Mainly, US needs Netanyahu gone, and a ceasefire as they are Israel is getting their butts kicked, and Slimey Joe ain’t doing good either.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 20 2024 18:12 utc | 57
"China: Draconian repression of Muslims in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity
“Hundreds of thousands of Muslim minority men and women subjected to mass internment and torture.”
Amnesty International"
Napoleon (48)
Did you know that the majority of evidence supplied for this is by Adrian Zenz, a western asset. Zenz said he is led by God against China, the guys a nutball.
The West wants the Xinjiang province to breakaway from China not because of persecution but because Xinjiang abuts to Northern Afghanistan of which a route between China and Afghanistan is well underway in the China's Belt and Road Initiative.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 20 2024 18:15 utc | 58
Better than nothing?
Or
Somehow pretending that international institutions are functioning?
Needed to avoid closing too many departments of international law the coming academic year?
Posted by: Minaa | May 20 2024 18:31 utc | 59
Is the ICC going to ask for warrants for: Biden, Blinken, Nuland, Brown, Austin, von der Leyen, Stoltenberg, Macron, Scholz, Baerbock, Meloni, Draghi, Sunak, Johnson, Shapps, Duda, Tusk, Borrel, Nausėda, Kallas, Sandu... If so, I'll stay up late.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 20 2024 18:47 utc | 60
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 20 2024 13:32 utc | 7
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UN, ICJ, ICC are here to stay whether you like it or not.
Posted by: AI | May 20 2024 18:49 utc | 61
Republicofscotland @ 58
The West wants the Xinjiang province to breakaway from China not because of persecution but because Xinjiang abuts to Northern Afghanistan of which a route between China and Afghanistan is well underway in the China's Belt and Road Initiative.
The USA wants to demonize China as a genocidal tyranny so once the war starts the zombie sheeple of the Golden Billion will bleat in unison.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 20 2024 18:52 utc | 62
Posted by: Minimus | May 20 2024 14:17 utc | 23
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ICC investigation dates back to 2021. The ICC Prosecutor's Office opened an investigation in the Palestinian territories in 2021. At the time, it was stated that the investigation concerned possible war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in the Gaza Strip by Israeli forces. According to Prosecutor Karim Khan, alleged crimes committed during the escalation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which began on October 8, 2023, also fall within the mandate of the Prosecutor's Office.
Posted by: AI | May 20 2024 18:55 utc | 63
the ICJ is adjudicating that Usrael is an illegal occupier of Palestine who are the legal owners and have a right of defence. While this proceeds has the UCC got jurisdiction against Hamas....and also this invalidates the ICC arest warrants against Hamas????
Posted by: Jo | May 20 2024 19:06 utc | 64
Clarification
ICJ is the court where gov’ts sue each other. It’s strictly gov’t to gov’t. The ICJ has a many decade tradition of (mostly) impartiality.
ICC is the court where individuals are tried by the ‘international community’ the ICC is strictly for trials of individuals. The ICC is a recent creation and is considered by many as a tool of Washington’s War Party.
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Posted by: Exile | May 20 2024 19:17 utc | 65
the khans are the cohen a different gang all working together for the rabbi money lenders kagan khazhar scum.
nutty yahoo has the database to collapse most governments of the world not to mention suit case nukes
for the sampson option is not cannot be missile based but based in every is not real embassy around the world
when i say suitcase it is not really in a suitcase but in a large camera system like the one designed for fukishima japan big bang.
the icj would need to name hundreds of the so called great and the good and 10s of thousands of the enablers this is not going to happen.
tel aviv and ukrainia are the biggest money laundering schemes in human history 100s of billions just from covid.
if bb is for the chop he will be taken out silenced like the leader of serbia or fall into a coma like ariel sharon
depleted uranium will slow kill the children of gaza many will die refugee in usa uk canuckistan
you tube the sharon word tribute a fine thing
Ariel Sharon's Long Goodbye Part One
Posted by: todd | May 20 2024 19:35 utc | 66
Bob | May 20 2024 17:03 utc | 51
Was trying to figure out how this makes sense "nationals of non-States Parties"
Check out this set of circular definitions.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/national
"1
: of or relating to a nation
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nation
1
a(1)
: nationality sense 5a
(2)
: a politically organized nationality"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationality
1
: national character
"5
a
: a people having a common origin, tradition, and language and capable of forming or actually constituting a nation-state
The diverse nationalities of the Austro-Hungarian Empire desired independence.
b
: an ethnic group constituting one element of a larger unit (such as a nation)"
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Adding state to it, "nation-state" in the 5a for nationality gives an out from the loop appears to make the statement in question nonsense.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nation-state
": a form of political organization under which a relatively homogeneous people inhabits a sovereign state"
Posted by: Rhymerez | May 20 2024 19:46 utc | 67
Of course who knows what definition courts and lawyers made up for it's usage in their documents, as they often don't use any real definition of a word and make em up different so they can make laws say what they want.
Posted by: Rhymerez | May 20 2024 19:49 utc | 68
RE: Posted by: Trubind1 | May 20 2024 13:32 utc | 7
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“UN, ICJ, ICC are here to stay whether you like it or not.”
Posted by: AI | May 20 2024 18:49 utc | 61
Did you have a point?
Other than some illusionary crystal ball of what’s “here to stay”?
It’s not a matter of “liking”…it’s not personal. ICC has long been wholly corrupt, and on that point I disagree, corruption will be destroyed or corrected, it’s consumption of humanity is in corrective state and it’s corrective force cannot be dismissed or denied.
The future existence of these organizations will largely depend on their reflective corrective actions in future.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 20 2024 19:51 utc | 69
So far, to be clear, there is as yet no ICC warrant. All that has happened so far is that the ICC is "seeking arrest warrants for Hamas leaders and Israel’s Netanyahu"
Whether or not the ICC will hold its nerve is anyone guess. Mine is it won't so the question is essentially moot, at least until a decision is made.
What we do know however is that the the US will not abide by any decision which is unfavourable to it, and has it's own rationale which dictates how it interacts with the ICC.
The U.S. does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court - NPR... The real answer to your question is that the U.S. has been concerned from the very beginning that the prosecutor for the court would be given too much power unchecked, and he or she could conduct politically-motivated prosecutions of U.S. soldiers.
... So as long as the court is doing what it was created to do, which is to investigate international crimes that have not been investigated by the country that committed them, then we should be helping it. Of course, if they start investigating politically motivated cases of us or others, then we can oppose that.
The International Criminal Court exists only to assert jurisdiction when a country hasn't investigated its own nationals for the most serious of offenses, and Russia hasn't done that. In the case of Afghanistan, though, the United States had investigated most of those offenses. You can argue about whether the investigations were full enough, but there's a big difference between the investigations that were conducted by the United States at the same time that Russia is claiming that it has done absolutely nothing wrong in Ukraine.
- John Bellinger III. (Former legal adviser for the National Security Council and the State Department under George W Bush.
... we also know their attitude toward any attempt by the ICC to arrest US citizens or their allies ...
U.S.: 'Hague Invasion Act' Becomes Law - Human Rights WatchU.S. President George Bush today [August 3, 2002] signed into law the American Servicemembers Protection Act of 2002, which is intended to intimidate countries that ratify the treaty for the International Criminal Court (ICC). The new law authorizes the use of military force to liberate any American or citizen of a U.S.-allied country being held by the court, which is located in The Hague. This provision, dubbed the "Hague invasion clause," has caused a strong reaction from U.S. allies around the world ...
... and speaking about the efforts of the ICC, Biden had this to say ...
Biden denounces ICC for ‘outrageous’ implication of equivalence between Israel and Hamas - CNN
“Let me be clear,” the president said in the statement, “whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence – none – between Israel and Hamas.”
So where does this leave the ICC? Firmly in the dustbin of history would be my thoughts. They either issue and try to act on any potential warrant and get invaded by the US or they don't and get dumped as an institution by the anyone not in the west.
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | May 20 2024 20:41 utc | 70
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | May 20 2024 20:41 utc | 70
The U.S. does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court - NPR
U.S.: 'Hague Invasion Act' Becomes Law - Human Rights Watch
https://tinyurl.com/3t8j8r77
Biden denounces ICC for ‘outrageous’ implication of equivalence between Israel and Hamas - CNN
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | May 20 2024 20:46 utc | 71
Did Biden give any justification for his assertion that there is no equivalence between Israel's committing war crimes and Hamas doing the same?
Posted by: Lysias | May 20 2024 21:06 utc | 72
Nothing is going to come out of this. If anything they will double down.
You will see Netanyahu traveling to all the signatory countries under full military escort by none other than the US military. Just to rub our noses in it.
Don’t you know. These people don't see themselves within the framework of the international law. It’s for others, not them.
Unless somebody liquidates these two characters and continue with dissolving the country 404, its just daydreaming.
Posted by: Alpi | May 20 2024 21:40 utc | 73
Pathetic.
They already jumped the shark with their pathetic attempts at Putin and co.
Now they have driven the whole institution over the cliff. It is suicide.
This is surrender. This is collapse of Empire from its periphery.
The Rules based order crumbling.
Posted by: DunGroanin | May 20 2024 21:42 utc | 74
Should we expect an ICC judge or two asking for asylum in Belarus or Russia?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 20 2024 21:49 utc | 75
Review your history in this forum.
B says that you provide data and facts to build a communication space that allows for the construction, among supposedly noble people, of a different perspective.
You do nothing but hit each other.
Jonkies addicted to being 24/7 with no other life: who is right is the most important thing?
Old pricks with out real life who enjoy to masturbate themselves for hours and hours because they are unable to recognize that the dead is upon you, and you are unable to have the humility to make a fucking real live and It's better to make some kind love?
The fact is: the time you engage wrestling others, the time you are wasting your spirit, the live that you are giving apart.
Posted by: Paus | May 20 2024 21:53 utc | 76
The English Tory government is trying to undermine the ICC on the possibility of warrants being issued for Netanyahu and his defence minister.
“THE UK Government has said it does not believe the International Criminal Court (ICC) has jurisdiction in Israel after it announced it was seeking an arrest warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu.
It was announced on Monday that the ICC is seeking arrest warrants for the Israeli Prime Minister, his defence minister Yoav Gallant and a number of senior Hamas figures.
Speaking in the Commons, deputy foreign secretary Andrew Mitchell said the Government wants to bring an end to fighting in Gaza but that seeking these warrants was not the best way to do so.”
I'm sure I read somewhere that if the warrants do go live that Rome Statute member countries cannot have anything to do with Netanyahu and his defence minster, and are obliged to apprehend him if he steps foot in their countries.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 20 2024 21:55 utc | 77
the ucc uniform commercial code is above everything without his consent the i c whatever the folks that wear those weird eyes wide shut babylon masonic outfits do not have any jurisdiction what so ever.
bb can party in paris london sleep in kusners bed in new york get some live human organs and girls from ukrainia and travel to 10 cities in germany and nothing but a good time will be had.
as said perception management they do not want you going on a property claim murder spree rampage.
Ex nihilo nihil fit
nothing comes from nothing
no not nothing
tony blairs court cases and inquiry he always went as a special guest no consent no jurisdiction given.
as mentioned above it could be a ruse to put all the blame on 2 men like seal team 6 have benny and bb put on a helicopter with a technical or weather problem
the cull grass has been cut nothing left but exile jacob and evelyne get what the family always wanted
and like patsy lee harvey and jack ruby rubenstein and countless others involve in jfk loose dead lips cannot sink ships
Posted by: todd | May 20 2024 22:04 utc | 78
Maybe Netanyahu and Gallant will ask for asylum in Belarus or Russia?
Kidding aside, wonder if this is payback on the part of the ICC for having been coerced into indicting Putin? Granted they would have had to rule in some way on Gaza to maintain even a shred of credibility, but if they had never indicted Putin, they'd have credibility to shred on Israel. "Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive".
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 20 2024 22:11 utc | 79
The ICC relies on countries to make arrests and transfer suspects” to the court or subjects may also appear voluntarily. Israel is not a member of the ICC. However, the court does claim to have jurisdiction over Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank after Palestinian leaders formally agreed to be bound by the court’s founding principles in 2015.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 20 2024 22:16 utc | 80
I wonder if this is part of the US coup against Netanyahu.
Posted by: gainful turp | May 20 2024 22:17 utc | 81
You are wasting the time that you would use to understand who you are. All this time trying to figure out the out of you, the world, you can use it to make some real of you. Inside. Because the dead is for all of us. No doubt about it: we gonna die. Make from your identity a real Personality, and, from your Ego, a Soul.
Heart and Skull.
Be safe all down all cocks.
Posted by: Paus | May 20 2024 22:23 utc | 82
Who decides if the warrants will be granted and are they, like so many international bodies, under the thumb of the US?
Posted by: D J G | May 20 2024 22:33 utc | 84
RE: Posted by: todd | May 20 2024 22:04 utc | 78
Well said. Revolt of bribery material began with Epstein. Culminating with cleaning out undesirables of power elite, removing vise grip with combined monies and bribed judiciary as we witness power shuffling. All for naught, for their all going by the wayside, just eating each other on the way down.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 20 2024 22:37 utc | 85
D J G (84).
Some of these judges.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/judges/judges-who-s-who
And.
"Theoretically, an arrest warrant could lead to a trial and the ICC explains the following processes would then take place.
Pre-trial – Three judges confirm the suspect’s identity and ensure they understand the charges against them. After hearing the prosecution, the defence and the legal representative of victims, judges decide (usually within 60 days) if there is enough evidence to go to trial.
Trial stage – After this, the prosecution must prove beyond reasonable doubt the guilt of the accused. If there is not enough evidence, then the case is closed and the accused is released.
This is then followed by an appeals stage which both the prosecutor and the defence have a right to depending on the decision.
This would be decided by the five judges of the Appeals Chamber, who are never the same judges as those who gave the original verdict. "
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 20 2024 22:39 utc | 86
Rhymerez @ 67
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na·tion·al noun \ ˈnash-nəl
, ˈna-shə-nᵊl \
inflected form(s): plural -s
1 : one that owes permanent allegiance to a nation without regard to place of residence or to possession of a more formal status (as that of citizen or subject)
For some reason the rest of this definition is being blocked in the "preview" function.
Posted by: Jane | May 20 2024 22:41 utc | 87
Posted by: Jane | May 20, 2024 at 22:41
Here is the rest of the definition retyped without pointed brackets around quotes:
"citizens of Guam and nationals but not citizens of the United States" — D. L. Oliver
"under that act a person might be a Canadian national without being a British subject" — T. N. M. Buesst
"American nationals in China"
Posted by: Jane | May 20 2024 22:45 utc | 88
Zeteo News, Mehdi Hassan's latest vehicle has a discussion between Israeli pro-Palestinian historian Ilan Pappé and Palestinian lawyer Diana Buttu on the ICC request for warrants here. Zeteo is a bit of a weird site given it features Mehdi Hassan and 46 y.o. faux rent boy bottom Owen Jones but this particular vid is well worth watching as Mehdi has shown that Palestine is an issue which he genuinely expresses and Jones also, a regular grauniad journo/commenter famed for his leftist inconstancy (depends on what graun editor says) has also been fairly staunch in his support of Palestine.
The issue of 'both side-ism' which Khan displayed so cruelly when he put out the requests is discussed. As they say, the issue of these warrants will have far more effect for Netanyahu and Gallant than it does for Sinwar, al-Masri or Haniyeh because Turkey & Qatar the only two nations which they visit are not signatories to the ICC. The two zionists on the other hand not only frequently travel to many western countries which are members of the ICC, when the shit inevitably hits the fan for zionism, as it inevitably will, that pair of crooks & murderers will be extremely restricted in where they can flee to. Plus of course it is likely that the Hamas politicians don't expect to live through this episode let alone long enough to face any tribunal.
Posted by: Debsisdead | May 20 2024 23:55 utc | 89
... but US trying to suggest via ICC, that genocide was just cuz of those 2 people, not “Israel” and caused by that “terrorist organization” and see we have proof…
The U.S. is pathetic. The ICC should be dismantled & disintegrated into ashes immediately.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 20 2024 13:32 utc | 7
This is looking at half-empty glass and applying absolutist reasoning of white-black variety. International law is needed, but when countries with sufficient power or connections to power want to violate it, they can. This is a bit like "how many [military] divisions does Pope have"? Countries with sufficient power have to deal with other countries, some of them having sufficient power too, and they loose "soft power" when they violate international law too visibly and too hypocritically. Prime example: why sanctions on Russia failed? Because the countries that were pressured to follow Western dictate felt that their key interest is in the West failing. That created a critical mass, India is too big to seriously sanction and other countries were doing nothing "worse" than India.
What ICC did was to document Western hypocrisy, Spain and few other abstain from participation, but so far, it was not spreading. Blatant and egregious hypocrisy creates new malcontents. You can't just sanction or arrest all of them, but you can malign and harass. This is an actual trouble, Zionists and friends are driven to hysterics, malcontents are more motivated than before, official media absorbed by the sheeple feels obliged to do more real reporting and there is no easy way to contain it quickly if at all.
Trubind1 thinks that all of that is a theater, Biden Administration did not like Netanyahu anyway etc. He should seriously consider that prosecutors of ICC became, in his words, the dogs that went off-leash. And they had serious motivation to do so. For an institution, there is a world of a difference between being a joke (and who is not) and a total joke (should be shut down, or replaced). Thus central bankers have to make impression of knowing what they are doing. Supreme Court (or courts in general, like the administrative court in Potsdam) has to make visible very reasonable decisions -- once in a while. And ICC was on a verge of being a total joke.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 21 2024 0:01 utc | 90
Topping New York Governor Kathy Hochul leaving her father's deathbed to meet with Netanyahu in Israel, here's New York Rep. Elise Stefanik shaking hands with Bibi on the very day the ICC issues arrest warrants for him as a war criminal!
https://x.com/RepStefanik/status/1792536452590416350
What a photo to be proud of!
Stefanik hopes to be Trump's Vice President pick, but a recent poll indicates she would be more harmful to the ticket than South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, the one who shot her own dog.
https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-elise-stefanik-trump-vice-president-2024-5
Posted by: ChrisB | May 21 2024 0:05 utc | 91
@73 Alfi "You will see Netanyahu traveling to all the signatory countries under full military escort by none other than the US military. Just to rub our noses in it."
Even where he is not invited?
Who amongst the signatory countries of the Rome Statute is going to extend an invitation to Netanyahu to visit their country?
Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 21 2024 0:17 utc | 92
South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, the one who shot her own dog. ChrisB | May 21 2024 0:05 utc | 91
I do not know the particular, but in the abstract and practice, there should be limits to what a dog can do. For example, riding my bike in shorts I collided with teeth of a dog who engaged in a favorite canine behavior, chasing a bicyclist. Because I bled a little bit, I inquired with township person for "animal control" (I reported a cow before) to check about vaccinations. Then I got a question if the dog was aggressive, which may require a death penalty or life long caging, so I had to explain that it was not.
That contrasts with the fate of the dog of the Leader of the Free World that was not removed from the White House before biting people 22 times, some quite seriously. Perhaps this is the principle of Emperor's Dog, a title that allows to bite everything and everybody as long as you wish. The power of the emperor is reflected in impunity of his dog. So as a person, Biden's power is considerable, but short of imperial.
However, as a nation, USA has imperial power, as evidenced by our Emperor's Dog, i.e. Israel.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 21 2024 0:23 utc | 93
@70 SattaMassaGana
"The International Criminal Court exists only to assert jurisdiction when a country hasn't investigated its own nationals for the most serious of offenses, and Russia hasn't done that."
That same logic applies to Israel and Netanyahu.
Anyway, the argument is false, because Netanyahu isn't being accused of committing these crimes "inside Israel".
They are being committed "in the Gaza Strip", and so jurisdiction over these crimes being committed by the IDF lies with the Palestinians.
And the Palestinian Authority is
1) A signatory to the Rome Statute
2) Demonstrably UNABLE to "investigate" those crimes, much less prosecute the criminals
QED: all it takes is a referral by the PA to the Chief Prosecutor and the ICC has its jurisdiction.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 21 2024 0:24 utc | 94
@64 Jo.
The alleged war crimes are being committed in the occupied Palestinan territories. And Palestine is a signatory to the Rome Statute.
So, yes, all it takes is for the Palestinian Authority to refer the allegations to the Chief Prosecutor and then the ICC has jurisdiction over these crimes.
At that point it doesn't matter is the perpetrator is a member of Hamas or is a member of the Israel War Cabinet.
Utterly Irrelevant.
The crimes are being committed inside Palestinian territory, and the Palestinian Authority (correctly) says that it is unable to bring the perpetrators of those war crimes to justice.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 21 2024 0:30 utc | 95
I do not know the particular, but in the abstract and practice, there should be limits to what a dog can do.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 21 2024 0:23 utc | 93
Kristi Noem killer her 14 month-old dog Cricket because she thought Cricket would never be good for pheasant hunting, and so was not worth keeping alive. Very master-race of her.
Posted by: ChrisB | May 21 2024 0:30 utc | 96
Kristi Noem killer her 14 month-old dog Cricket because she thought Cricket would never be good for pheasant hunting, and so was not worth keeping alive. Very master-race of her.
Posted by: ChrisB | May 21 2024 0:30 utc | 96
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Is it worse to shoot your dog intentionally, or to shoot your hunting pal unintentionally?
IMO it is worse to shoot a dog, your own dog, for which you supposedly have some affection, an animal that you have power over, because you cannot instrumentalize it for hunting. Quite apart from: pheasant hunting? Really?
I don't think this woman will enhance any ticket.
Posted by: Jane | May 21 2024 0:48 utc | 97
Genocidal activities documented by ICJ and ICC make a perpetrator an enemy of mankind, hostis humani generis, that can be arrested and tried anywhere, regardless where those activities were committed. Interestingly, national laws on the book in USA, UK and probably across the world prohibit joining or assisting genocidal activities, but the court systems there are lethargic on the issue of Israeli crimes, and their own crimes.
Theoretically, upon visiting the state of Maine, Netanyahu could be arrested and tried by a Maine court marshals under universal jurisdiction, or a local court anywhere...
Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 21 2024 0:49 utc | 98
RE: “And ICC was on a verge of being a total joke.”
Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 21 2024 0:01 utc | 90
The PLA/PLO joined Rome Statute ICC in 2015 with expressed request to investigate war crimes committed in the West Bank. An appeal for legal protection.
2024 — This is the first and only “response”. Political & corrupt agenda orchestrated by U.S. , which will be tossed out by Wednesday.
In addition, West Bank not addressed at all. Show BS.
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 21 2024 0:54 utc | 99
Hamas members will get the warrant, Israelis will be dropped, just like Israel gets a country, Palestinians get ignored.
It's the UN way.
Posted by: UWDude | May 21 2024 0:58 utc | 100
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Finally!!!
Posted by: canuck | May 20 2024 13:16 utc | 1