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April 11, 2024
Ukraine – To Hurt Russia Means Pain For Ukraine

Ukraine is trying to hurt Russia by hitting its refineries. But the attacks fail to have the desired effects on Russia.  The Russian response though, in form of de-energization attacks on Ukraine, seriously endanger the state.

Today the Russian Federation continued with the de-energization of Ukraine (machine translation):

As a result of a massive Russian missile attack on the night of April 11 , the Trypillya thermal power plant in the Kiev region was completely destroyed.

Located in the city of Ukrainka, Trypillia thermal power station was commissioned in 1973 and became the most powerful power plant in the Kiev region. It was also the largest supplier of electricity to the Kiev, Cherkasy and Zhytomyr regions.

Since the Zmiyevskaya TPP in the Kharkiv region was completely destroyed on March 22, and Russian troops occupied the Uglegorsk TPP in the Donetsk region on July 25, 2022, Centrenergo has now lost 100% of its generation.

After the complete destruction of the Trypillya TPP, the network recalls the statement of Centrenergo from August 2023 that the facility is equipped with physical protection "at 100%".

At the same time, it was reported that 70% of the work at the Zmievskaya TPP was completed. This facility was also destroyed by shelling in March of this year.

DTEK, another power supply company in Ukraine, also reported significant losses:

During the missile attack on early 11 April, Russia attacked two thermal power plants owned by DTEK company (Ukraine's largest private investor in energy), severely damaging the equipment there.

Source: DTEK press service

Details: "After the attack, the power engineers promptly began to eliminate the consequences and restore the equipment. According to early reports, there were no casualties," the statement said.

Since the start of the full-scale invasion, DTEK's thermal power plants have been attacked almost 170 times.

In addition to the power supplies Russian attacks also targeted parts of the national electricity distribution network:

Russia has damaged Ukrenergo’s substations and generation facilities in Odesa, Zaporizhzhia, Lviv, Kharkiv and Kyiv Oblasts as a result of a massive missile attack on the night of 10-11 April (Ukrenergo is the electricity transmission system operator in Ukraine).

Europe's biggest underground storage facility for natural gas in western Ukraine was also attacked (machine translation):

On the night of April 11, Russian cruise missiles of various classes and drones attacked two critical energy infrastructure facilities in the Lviv region.

This was announced by the head of the Lviv OVA Maxim Kozitsky.

"This is a gas distribution infrastructure facility in the Stryi district and an electric substation in the Chervonograd district. Fires started. They were quickly extinguished by firefighters. There were no casualties. All life support systems in the Lviv region are operating normally," Kozytsky said.

The underground storage facility is partly used by west European companies. But without the pumping and distribution system at the surface the underground facility, and anything stored in it, becomes useless.

Russia has not attacked any of the nuclear power plants in Ukraine. They, and limited electricity imports from western Europe, can still provide a minimum of basic load electricity to the country. But any peaks in consumption, which are usually buffered by the now destroyed thermal and hydroelectric power plants, will put the system under stress. Significant blackouts will thus become unavoidable.

Aleksey Arestovich, a former advisor to the president of Ukraine, is not happy about this (machine translation):

The Russians consistently knock out our generation – hydroelectric and thermal power plants.

More than UAH 50 billion was allocated to protect the stations.

This is the same amount as according to the NBU, Ukrainians collected defense donations in two years.

I throw up questions that should be asked to our leaders.:

  • how and what was the money spent?
  • why haven't alternative generation circuits been created in the last two years – gas-fired power plants haven't been purchased?
  • why didn't you listen to the experts for two years, who predicted what was happening back in May 2022 and offered to do business for two years, and not to fuck around and publish?

Energy is the foundation of the country's life. If there is no energy, there is nothing.

We are still holding on, thanks to the energy bridge with the EU and nuclear power plants, but the prospect that some regions will sit without electricity for weeks (and therefore without production and storage of food-in the summer!) getting closer.

Neither Arestovich nor other commentators in Ukraine acknowledge that the Russian campaign to de-energize the country is a direct consequence of Ukrainian attacks on infrastructure in Russia.

The daily reports by the Russian Ministry of Defense have emphasized this several times:

In response to the Kiev regime's attempts to damage Russian oil and gas and energy facilities, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation launched a massive strike on Ukrainian fuel and energy facilities with long-range precision weapons, air-and sea-based weapons, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles. The strike goals have been achieved. All objects are hit.

As a result, the work of Ukrainian military industry enterprises was disrupted, the transfer of reserves to combat areas was disrupted, and fuel supply to units and military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was hampered.

Ukraine has, over several weeks, used drones to attack oil refineries deep within Russia. It did not stop even after it received the first Russian responses in form of renewed strikes on its energy facilities.

The U.S. has said that it does not like the Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil facilities because they could lead to an increase in global gasoline prices which could lower president Biden's chance for a re-election.

Only yesterday U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin again criticized such attacks:

US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Ukraine’s recent drone strikes on Russian oil refineries have a “knock-on effect” that could affect the global energy situation and suggested Kyiv focus on “tactical and operational targets” instead.

“Those attacks could have a knock-on effect in terms of the global energy situation. Ukraine is better served in going after tactical and operational targets that can directly influence the current fight,” Austin told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday, April 9, Bloomberg reported.

Austin’s comments are the latest confirmation of Washington’s position on Ukrainian drone strikes on Russian refineries, which first started circulating following a Financial Times (FT) article – citing unnamed officials – that said Washington had relayed wishes to Ukraine’s intelligence units to stop hitting Russian oil refineries for fear of rising crude prices and retaliation.

However, unable to provide further money and weapons to Ukraine, the Biden administration has lost much of its leverage over Ukraine.

It has also failed to put its ducks in a row. Remarkably the General Secretary of NATO, usually a spokesperson for U.S. policy, takes a position that is in opposite to what the U.S. Secretary of Defense says:

Oil refineries in Russian territory are “legitimate” targets for Ukrainian drone strikes, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg during a joint press briefing with Finnish President Alexander Stubb on April 10.

Stoltenberg reiterated that Ukraine has the right to defend itself by military means.

“Ukraine has the right to strike legitimate military targets outside the territory of their country to defend itself,” the secretary said.

While the Economist lauds the Ukrainian attacks it notes that the intended consequences like a gasoline shortage in Russia, are unlikely to happen:

The government has kept a lid on prices by banning petrol exports for six months from March 1st, and striking a deal with Belarus, its client state. Russia imported 3,000 tonnes of fuel from Belarus in the first half of March, up from zero in January. Fearing that may not be enough, officials have also asked neighbouring Kazakhstan to set aside a third of its reserves, equivalent to 100,000 tonnes, should Russia need them, according to Reuters.

Nor will Russia lose any income:

The government will even save some cash by paying out fewer per-barrel subsidies to refineries. Russia’s biggest money-earners are resource taxes. And because these are levied as royalties at the well-head, the government is indifferent between oil exported as crude or as refined fuel, says Mr Vakulenko. As long as Russia is able to export crude, it can collect royalties.

To sum up:

  • The Ukrainian attacks on Russian refineries do not have the desired secondary effects on Russia. Fuel is available at cheap prices and resource based state income continues to be high.
  • Ukraine's attacks on Russia are the purported reason given by Russia for the de-energization of Ukraine.
  • NATO and the U.S. defense establishment do not have a consistent position.
  • Global fuel prices are rising and are hurting Biden's campaign efforts.
  • Ukraine continues to be de-energized.

One might think that the negative effects from the above are significant enough to lead to a change in policies.

How come I do not expect to see any?

Comments

Now if only Putin and his crew would rescue my shithole country from the fascists and rebuild it…
Posted by: Honzo | Apr 12 2024 3:24 utc | 196
We gotta be our own Putin, Honzo. He started as taxi driver in an utterly ruined post Soviet nightmare.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 12 2024 3:44 utc | 201

Posted by: NoName | Apr 11 2024 19:17 utc | 106
I really wish there would be an edit function
There is one, it is called preview

Posted by: Alchemist | Apr 12 2024 3:48 utc | 202

One thing that the Russian destruction of the power plants in Ukraine demonstrates is that the Russians are NOT interested in overrunning and occupying Ukraine, contrary to what I still hear some MSM pundits expound. If they were interested in that then they would have done that in tandem with their initial invasion of Ukraine (ie; like the US did in Iraq in 2003, ‘shock and awe’ / Blitzkreig strategy).

Posted by: Eddie S | Apr 12 2024 3:49 utc | 203

Honzo | Apr 12 2024 3:38 utc | 198
Its a bit hard to tell exactly how the US will play it at the moment as there are various pros and cons. I don’t know if Rand has updated there 2014 “thinking through the unthikable” yet. Last time I looked they hadn’t. At that time, they believed the cutoff point for a Naval siege on China was 2025. But they believed that under a naval siege China would quickly capitulate to the US rather than go nuclear.
AUKUS is about a USUK submarine base on the Indian ocean. No doubt an Australian grease monkey or two and an Australian flag on them. Taiwan is about locking in the first Island chain and has been since shortly after ROC retreated to the island.
I assume the intermediate range missiles to be situated in Australia an at other US bases to the north are about forcing China to quickly capitulate. China may not have enough strategic deterrent to ensure complete erasure of the US at that point but that is where Russia comes into the equation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 4:00 utc | 204

Welp, B, as long as the arrogant Zionist sociopaths run amok in DC, the idea that they can make Russia bow to their persistent, out of touch with reality hegemony, all bets are off as to what the out of control Zionist Jew Zelensky and Co-Nazis will do whatever they please.
And let’s be honest, the Zionist sociopaths in DC aren’t making that big of a stink at what Jewlensky and pals decide to do to Russia.

Posted by: Kay | Apr 12 2024 4:01 utc | 205

@Mary,
Oh dear,
“I only hope he didn’t express his hateful views in front of his very young children. First, because it will increase their terror. Second because out of the mouths of babes..”
I’m guessing that you’re not aware that Nazism is indeed the very fabric of Ukrainian life, including the b
brainwashing Ukie children receive in grade school? I’ve seen videos of these kids giving the Nazi salute and still other videos of Ukie family get togethers where they do the same?
It’s very much like the brainwashing Israeli children are subjected too. There are videos of children in Israeli schools who believe a good Arab is a dead one.
This is exactly what Russia means by denazifying Ukraine. And I do believe that Russia may well and up with the whole of Ukraine as its own, where the process of denazification will mean a gutting of Nazism from every fabric of Ukie society and I think that the majority of Ukrainians may well welcome it as opinion is turning on Zelensky and the gov

Posted by: Kay | Apr 12 2024 4:16 utc | 206

The Ukies have been jerkwads toward Russia ever since they got their independence in ’91. They didn’t seem to understand that Russia could tolerate their childish behavior but not their dangerous behavior. They still don’t seem to understand the difference.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Apr 12 2024 4:36 utc | 207

Posted by: Nasir | Apr 11 2024 15:08 utc | 168
“Oh fuck me. You’re just too stupid to waste time with.”
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 11 2024 23:19 utc | 165
Surprised you did take the time to solidly refute that troll. Glad you did though. Yeoman’s work!

Posted by: Wisco | Apr 12 2024 4:44 utc | 208

Re: Posted by: NB_norica | Apr 11 2024 16:57 utc | 56

If only sanctions and arming Ukraine worked they would now own most of Ukraine in exchange for war debt.

At the moment the Americans own about 80% of Ukraine.
If they have any more than 30% of it when this conflict ends I’d say that’s a win for the Americans.

Posted by: Julian | Apr 12 2024 4:45 utc | 209

I love the language of sacrifice, but what a waste to be hitched to such a worthless,empty, hollow endeavor. Is there anything that the collective west has done in the last 50+ years that we can be proud of that deserves such language designed to motivate the complacent cowards and fence-sitters that exist in all populations? Yeah, right! Don’t make me laugh

Posted by: Hahajizzjizz | Apr 12 2024 4:51 utc | 210

This is exactly what Russia means by denazifying Ukraine. And I do believe that Russia may well and up with the whole of Ukraine as its own, where the process of denazification will mean a gutting of Nazism from every fabric of Ukie society …
… and I think that the majority of Ukrainians may well welcome it as opinion is turning on Zelensky and the gov
Posted by: Kay | Apr 12 2024 4:16 utc | 205
I fully agree with your first 3 points. But the problem of the Ukrainian citizenry going along with Russia’s denazification mission is that THEY DON’T SEE IT as such, and I doubt they ever will. Ukrainian nazism, fascism, dictatorship, ultra-nationalism, war crimes — as we outsiders see and name them — are all terms they will deny their country harbours. Even the dirty term Banderism is rarely accepted. Yeah Bandera is a bit of a hero, seen as leading a historical nationalism but I believe few regular civilians march to his drum. They believe, deep down, ***and have been brainwashed so deeply to accept*** that they and their Zel-led government are merely devoted patriots fighting off the evil barbarians of Moscow.
Do you know that children of all school curricula are nowadays being fed a completely false Russo-Ukrainian history? How will the next few generations ever wake up from that?
Nah, I think that, other than the ethnic Russians of the Donbass oblasts, who have already declared their allegience through either voting and staying or by fleeing eastwards, the rest of the Ukrainians are a lost cause. They may well vote out Z, and form a more moderate country, but the fascist pigs (WHOM THEY DENY) will still survive and make trouble for Russia for decades to come. The US/UK/NATO brotherhood will help, of course!
Even out of those left in the country, say Kiev and the west, I doubt 10% would nowadays choose alignment with Russia in any ideology. They are mostly starry-eyed for EU capitalism and affluence. Hence the 6 million gone west to the EU plus 3 million elsewhere in the world. The rest are just gogglebox patsies to their Ministry of Media Propaganda. So long as one day Russia’s bombs stop falling on their heads, they’ll remain asleep to the root cancers in their country.
The song Comformably Numb comes to mind.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 5:00 utc | 211

Victor vicktop55
@vicktop55
Putin: “I think that they – the opposite side – to a certain extent drove themselves into a corner when they refused to negotiate in the hope of defeating Russia on the battlefield, inflicting a strategic defeat on it.
Now they understand that this is impossible, they refused to negotiate and now they are in a rather difficult situation. Our goal is not to put everyone in a difficult position, on the contrary, we are ready to work constructively. But of course, there can be no imposition of any position on us that is not based on realities.”

“there can be no imposition of any position on us that is not based on realities” and there’s the rub as Russia has them by the short and curlies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 5:02 utc | 212

“Even out of those left in the country, say Kiev and the west, I doubt 10% would nowadays choose alignment with Russia in any ideology. They are mostly starry-eyed for EU capitalism and affluence. Hence the 6 million gone west to the EU plus 3 million elsewhere in the world. The rest are just gogglebox patsies to their Ministry of Media Propaganda. So long as one day Russia’s bombs stop falling on their heads, they’ll remain asleep to the root cancers in their country.”
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 5:00 utc | 210
They must be totally oblivious to what is really going on in “the West” if they still think being part of it is so aspirational. It is my understanding that control of media is very strong in Ukraine and they have killed journalists who don’t toe the line, and have shut down TV stations.

Posted by: Wisco | Apr 12 2024 5:14 utc | 213

Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 5:00 utc | 210
I expect that under the terms of surrender that Ukraine will sign will be the stipulation of outlawing all forms of Nazism and reinstating a normal school curriculum.
Neo-nazi street gangs are nearly impossible to stamp out completely, but I suspect that Russia will have some method of getting through to the average Ukrainian how nazism and the west has destroyed them. And it is the west that has kept nazism alive in western Ukraine then ensured it bloomed after the 2014 coup.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 5:52 utc | 214

russians should have targeted energy infrastructure at the beginning 😛

Posted by: karlito | Apr 12 2024 5:59 utc | 215

Speech in Brussels to Sylenski whining about the need for Patriot systems
.
If you want to see how truly desperate the situation has become, listen to this crazy rant from EU madman Guy Verhofstadt
.
With all of these urgent calls to send new Patriots, has anyone bothered to ask where the previously shipped Patriots went?
We were told that they were completely unscathed after stopping all those kinzhals. It seems that maybe that wasn’t entirely true.
I ask you, who is lying to whom about supposedly successful kills?
Meanwhile, the Russian Defense Ministry released another video showing a new Ukrainian S-300 being shot down by what is believed to be an Iskander or Tornado-S near Odessa

Posted by: ossi | Apr 12 2024 6:20 utc | 216

@ Suresh | Apr 12 2024 0:46 utc | 179
i missed that..
@ AG | Apr 12 2024 3:25 utc | 197
you’re welcome! it was worth sharing.. more people need to know about tariq ali’s book on churchill..

Posted by: james | Apr 12 2024 6:28 utc | 217

“Neo-nazi street gangs are nearly impossible to stamp out completely….”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 5:52 utc | 213
Neo-nazi street gangs basically don’t exist anywhere in the West nowdays, except for a few intelligent agency psyops. It’s a figment of the MSM propoganda matrix, total bs. Its other types of gangs that are the real problem re: crime. Draft-dodging Ukrainians may be finding out about it now and may be telling the ones they left behind that “the West” isn’t what the controlled Ukie TV tells them it is.

Posted by: Wisco | Apr 12 2024 6:33 utc | 218

Apropos Churchill, he was in many ways a dreadful person, but he was probably the third-best Prime Minister of the twentieth century (best being Attlee, second-best being Lloyd George). He’s enjoyed a lot of hype through taking advantage of being a war PM, and also because the right wing has done its best to promote him. One can overstate his incompetence — he was hardly the only person responsible for the Gallipoli disaster, he was just the scapegoat. Probably his biggest strategic disaster was supporting Greece instead of seizing control of Libya in 1941 — but one can argue that Churchill was keeping his eye on the main issue, which was fighting the Nazis rather than the Italian fascists (though Churchill as we know was something of a Mussolini fanboy).

Posted by: MFB | Apr 12 2024 6:50 utc | 219

Posted by: Eddie S | Apr 12 2024 3:49 utc | 202
Inclined to agree, Russia was still hoping to leave some of The Ukraine habitable and useable – that’s over – they have had over two years to realise they are being had. It would appear Crocus was the last straw. Yes it’s Russian energy infrastructure but it’s also definitely Crocus.
I think I heard the promises made to Gorbachev about NATO not expanding east read out in the strangest of places The Highwire to a US audiences. Might check this.

Posted by: Inki | Apr 12 2024 6:52 utc | 220

that should be gigawatts and not terawatts.
Posted by: dan of steele | Apr 11 2024 23:12 utc | 163
You’re right. Still, it’s a power plant. You’ve got one or two pieces of iron the size of a house, spinning at 50 revolutions per second. The moment that breaks loose from its bearings is when *something* has got to show up on the electricity network. I’d expect mains frequency to go down around the time of the Russian bombing of the power plant.
The Ukrainians must be running up quite a bill in foreign electricity. Ukraine only has the money we give to them. So who is paying?

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 12 2024 6:55 utc | 221

Moldova gas storage destroyed in Ukraine | telegram:

Two underground gas storage facilities of Ukraine’s Naftogaz were hit by strikes on Thursday morning, the company said.
This is unpleasant news for Moldova, which stored only 20 million of its 650 million cubic metres of gas in Romania in 2023 and the rest in Ukraine because it is more economical there and the republic has no storage facilities of its own.
___
Other telegram snippets

Poland has certain stocks of anti-aircraft missiles from Soviet times – they can be transferred to Ukraine – Polish President Duda
“Today, during the bilateral meeting, President Zelensky and I discussed certain stocks of missiles that we still have from Soviet times. And we discussed the possibility of transferring them to Ukraine to ensure its air defense. I will talk to my defense minister when I return to Poland,” said the Polish president.
It was announced during a joint press conference with the presidents of Ukraine and Lithuania.
France, while talking tough, has increased its purchases of Russian gas more than other European countries – Politico
▪️In the first 3 months of this year, Paris has already paid Moscow more than 600 million euros for gas, despite Macron’s harsh statements about the situation in Ukraine.
▪️France needs gas purchases to supply households throughout Europe, and it is “difficult for it to get out of the long-term agreement with Russia.”
Julian Ropke
Bild analyst (aka Jihad Julian)
“As I said a few weeks ago (and almost no one believed me): Ukraine has run out of Patriot and Iris-T missiles. Most other air defense stocks have also been depleted or destroyed,” he writes.

Russia’s strikes on energy facilities in Ukraine are a response to Kiev’s attempts to damage facilities in the oil and gas industry of the Russian Federation, – Permanent Representative to the UN
▪️Very soon, the only topic for any international meetings on Ukraine will be the unconditional surrender of the Kiev regime, I advise you all to prepare for this,” said Vasily Nebenzya.
▪️Residents of a number of Ukrainian cities, including Kharkov, Odessa and Nikolaev, began to actively share the coordinates of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with the Russian Federation, which demonstrates their attitude to the conflict.

“>https://t.me/CyberspecNews/50553

F-16s
The commander of American forces in Europe, General Cavoli, said that Ukrainian pilots, in addition to poor knowledge of English, have the problem that they are accustomed to old Soviet aircraft, so it is difficult for them to switch to the incredibly modern F-16AM/BM.
>…As the Turks write, Russia produces 8,000 bombs of the FAB and KAB series with a caliber of 250 to 1,500 kg per month, a significant amount is being prepared for air strikes with gliding bombs.
Russia uses 500-600 glide bombs per day. There are already tens of thousands of them in warehouses. Once Russia increases production beyond daily consumption, it will increase bombing to above 1,000 bombs per day.
>…The US does not have“Plan B”for military assistance to Ukraine other than the $60 billion that stuck in Congress – Bloomberg
“European leaders should overcome delays and use the proceeds from blocked Russian assets to help the Ukrainian authorities,” the publication quotes anonymous American officials.
>…A current CIA agent and former FBI agent describes the seizure of a Russian oligarch’s yacht worth $970 million:
“Because we could. It is not necessary. We just did it. It was there… I’ve never seen a gold toilet, but there I sat on it. We’re taking over all kinds of other countries, people we don’t like, we’re taking over all kinds of shit… Because everything is based on the US dollar.”
Putin and Lukashenko met for 4 hours. Putin stated:
Moscow had to respond to Ukrainian attacks on Russian energy facilities, but we refrained from doing so during the winter;
▪️ The strikes on Ukrainian energy facilities are part of demilitarisation, as they affect the Ukrainian military-industrial complex;
>…Russia did not strike Ukrainian energy sector in winter for humanitarian reasons – Vladimir Putin
Vladimir Putin, during a meeting with Lukashenko, said that Russia was forced to respond to the Ukrainian series of attacks on the energy sector. Our country did not carry out such attacks in winter for humanitarian reasons, so as not to leave hospitals and schools without electricity.
https://t.me/llordofwar/323588
Beijing one day, Belarus the next. Lavrov a busy septuagenarian
Lavrov arrived in Minsk to participate in the Council of CIS Foreign Ministers, a TASS correspondent reports.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 12 2024 6:56 utc | 222

I see the thread alive with Ukraine delusion akin to mental derangement. Let’s add Samantha powers into the list with this comical presser. She can’t think of a better return of investment than investing into Ukraine, energy sector was mentioned. Ukraine economy will grow 5% according to her, everyone else thinks it’s already off the cliff . Warning to drinkers , put the glass down before watching or you may spray someone’s face by mistake
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/107396

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 12 2024 7:01 utc | 223

Neo-nazi street gangs basically don’t exist anywhere in the West nowdays, except for a few intelligent agency psyops. It’s a figment of the MSM propoganda matrix, total bs.
Posted by: Wisco | Apr 12 2024 6:33 utc | 217
Odd you should say that. Every few months or so, here in OZ, there’s a balaclava-clad street march of “hard-boys, nazis” or some such. IIRC, there was a showdown with some campers, an anti-Zionist protest, an anti Aust Day, an anti-trans march, anti LGBQT march by some fascists. Despite new laws, they still have certain “freedoms” they like to exercise and taunt. Just a quick YT search (AU) shows up 2 months, 3 months, 8, 10, 12 months ago, 2 years, 3, 4, 5 years ago. Still a bit of it about 🙁
But of course that’s far different to the insidious institutional Ukro-nazis at every level of power. The infamous corruption and nazism go hand in hand with authority.
But I don’t believe it’s a civilian mindset. Since 1991, the US has fomented RF’s favourite enemy right next door, and invited their training camps around Lvov, … a definite recipe for eventual fireworks.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 7:09 utc | 224

Wisco | Apr 12 2024 6:33 utc | 217
Musk has not yet begun his colony on Mars. I don’t know of any other out in space. If there was I would have to ask what world do you live in?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 7:19 utc | 225

We can ignore it or not, but the destruction of electrical network is the only kind of escalation that Russia can permit to itself.
That is why they are doing that. But even that is done with half strength, as Putin still wants to present himself as “good and noble” warrior.
I am writing simple things because the truth is very simple: Russia’s escalation capacity is limited, as it has little conventional means to inflict paint to EU. (Russia cannot bomb France)

Posted by: vargas | Apr 12 2024 7:21 utc | 226

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 12 2024 7:01 utc | 222
The Ukrainian economy by now mostly consists of the bribes to government officials coming from the US in order for them to have the incentive to mobilize everyone, and bribes people give to border guards and conscription officers to leave the country.
Don’t get me started on labor shortages in Ukrainian SME enterprises.
Even Arestovich said it: ‘if there’s no energy, there is no nothing’.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 12 2024 7:26 utc | 227

Hankster | Apr 12 2024 7:01 utc | 222
One thing I have to say about the US neo-con woman is they are quite smart. They always hide their broomstick before a public appearance. I guess they leave their pointy hat with it as well.
500,000 Iraqi children were worth it, we came we saw he died cackle cackle…. A real witches brew in the lineup.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 7:29 utc | 228

We can ignore it or not, but the destruction of electrical network is the only kind of escalation that Russia can permit to itself.
That is why they are doing that. But even that is done with half strength, as Putin still wants to present himself as “good and noble” warrior.
I am writing simple things because the truth is very simple: Russia’s escalation capacity is limited, as it has little conventional means to inflict paint to EU. (Russia cannot bomb France)
Posted by: vargas | Apr 12 2024 7:21 utc | 225
Vargas, do you ever actually read anything, either here on MoA or outside it in the real world? How else can you spout such continuous fantasy drivel arising spontaneously out of your own mind?
>>>I am writing simple things because the truth is very simple<<< No. You are writing such SIMPLISTIC things because you are a SIMPLETON. >>>Russia’s escalation capacity is limited, as it has little conventional means to inflict paint to EU. (Russia cannot bomb France)<<< Are you 3 years old with intelligence to match? Have you never heard of medium range missiles? They are things which fly through the air for up to 3,500 kms and make a very large bang where they land. Russia has lots and lots of them. Not that Russia needs to fire them at France. France is kindly sending some soldiers over Ukraine to save Russia some rocket fuel. Please go and get edjumucated, or go fuck yourself. You're a moron troll. Or maybe just a 14 year old Latvian gameboy. Or wait, maybe shadowbanned's illegitimate son.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 8:36 utc | 229

Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 8:36 utc | 228
We are certainly in agreement on a number of things, though I’ve been somewhat annoyed by some of the targets yo have attacked (trying to be diplomatic these days), but this one…. It has a battle hardened hide, I guess a professional troll, who knows perhaps from a five-eyes troll factory, perhaps from Ukraine. You’ll have to rip the clowns hide off to get through.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 8:52 utc | 230

Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 8:52 utc | 230
A little while ago you mentioned the US strategic oil reserve and it’s current state. I saw Scott Ritter on a programme either yesterday or the day before and he mentioned that it was now down to 17 days, so they are running out of everything.
Can’t imagine that there is anything in Australia’s reserve seeing that it is being held on our behalf in the US.

Posted by: ZimZum | Apr 12 2024 9:01 utc | 231

unimperator | Apr 12 2024 7:26 utc | 227
Don’t forget the contribution only fans brings in to GDP
The thing that got me with Samantha power +5% economic growth is only last week we have Reuters article stating the world bank estimated a 45% retraction
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/war-slash-ukraines-gdp-output-200000047.html
The disparity between the 2 numbers is a few galaxies if you were an investor. I’m not sure who is meant to believe Samantha’s numbers, she sure can’t.

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 12 2024 9:37 utc | 232

Peter AU1
Yeah mate. Understand that I’m often conflicted about giving idiots a serve. Sometimes it makes noooo difference. Sometimes they dissappear but, I suspect, reappear reborn. It’s just my way of (trying to) clean up bullshit — NEVER ABOUT abuse for just holding conflicting opinions.
My bėte noire in life is arogant bigotry, condescension. Nearly got my head punched in last Saturday for calling a guy a boofheaded bigot (cos he was). Lol.
I actually don’t believe in all this agency troll-ops stuff. Eg sb — I don’t believe for one moment that he was some committee of MI6 with AI at his fingertips, but just a very smart guy with very strong convictions, like so many specialist obsessives round here. Imo, (some) of the retired academics are the worst offenders — “I’m an expert. My degrees mean I can more correctly pontificate on anything I want”. Relevance Deprivation Syndrome, as Gareth Evans once coined it. They’ve lost their lecture room, so now the online forums are their theatre, and we poor students must be enawed by their condescended knowledge.
On the other hand, people like vargas can really be that stupid. I don’t believe he’s trying to push some point or even wind us up out of mischief like an authentic troll. He’s just ignorant and infantile. There are, tragically, some unbelievably stupid people online, plus many smarter ones who should know better than to not properly consider their thoughts and words or even proofread before they hit .
Have a good weekend. Peace to you.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 10:26 utc | 233

April 8
Telegram reports Russell “Texas” Bentley is missing.
Last seen /… car located at Petrovsky district near Avdeyevka.
Anyone got more?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 12 2024 10:41 utc | 234

Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 10:26 utc | 233
Some years ago when ISIS were being much promoted, three different articles came out. One was a US military troll factory to “fight ISIS on social media”. Another was Australian military, another was brit military. I assume Canada would have had the same. At that time I had Amaq bookmarked and would look up their site from time to time. MSM which had run the articles on the five-eyes military troll factories would also constantly quote Amaq. Amaq, the ‘ISIS’ news site was hosted on a sever in Hong Kong that was owned by a company based in California. It could have been blocked/shutdown at any time.
They were official troll factories that MSM run articles on. There would have been many more non military operations. It was before then that we were getting all the articles in the media about fictional Russian troll factories. A good rule of thumb that proves about 99.99% correct is that whatever five-eyes accuses its enemy/s of choice of doing is what they are doing themselves.
The Sydney University research on social media bots was interesting. 75% were pro Ukraine bots but that was at its worst. The said Russia seemed surprised by the SMO and it took a week or two for some pro Russian bots to get going. it peaked for several weeks then disappeared leaving only the pro Ukraine bots.
There is both western so called troll factories that operate on social media plus bots.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 10:47 utc | 235

Melaleuca | Apr 12 2024 10:41 utc | 234
I assume he would have his picture on the Nazi kill list site. Hopefully he will be ok and turn up again.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 10:52 utc | 236

Killary strikes again.
Bentley posted on his telegram, just days ago, a snip of HRC explaining to Congress, how the U$ funded the Pakistani Mujahideen to fk with the Soviets in Afghanistan.
https://t.me/TXDPR/13431
Bentley telegram
https://t.me/s/TXDPR
@peter. I think he’s been taken out.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 12 2024 10:54 utc | 237

ZimZum | Apr 12 2024 9:01 utc | 231
In that respect Australia is toast as virtually all our refined fuel is imported. Thanks for Ritter’s take on the US reserve. That’s even lower than I thought.
I do though recall reading something on the US military setting up a strategic reserve in Australia but have seen nothing more on it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 10:56 utc | 238

Melaleuca | Apr 12 2024 10:54 utc | 237
That’s not good. I haven’t followed him but used to read him a bit back in 2014/15 when he went to Donbass to fight on the frontline. And I guess saying that’s not good is an understatement. When somebody goes down that I have read and to however it is possible got to know a bit just from what he wrote or from videos, its a bit harder than if its just a name that I don’t know. A lot harder. He commented a bit at the saker site until that clown labeled him as a troll.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 11:04 utc | 239

@ Posted by: MFB | Apr 12 2024 6:50 utc | 219
I’ll let you have Atlee, not Lloyd George who was part of the mass slaughter and still no emancipation of the working poor, just like his young peer Churchill – who was a total sociopathic bastard responsible for untold millions dead.
There has never been a ‘good’ Tory PM in my lifetime. Even Heath was a union hating, unionist old style tory grandee type but quite compromised.
Harold Wilson was about the best PM we had – in the 60’s with his White Heat , massive spending on public services and raising the poor. He was the last of the genuine Old Labour and was ousted , with even an attempted coup against him.
Replaced by the deep plants following him and the party breakers that led to the SDP in the 80’s that guaranteed the re-election of Thatcher and the 50 years soon of disassembling of the post war social contract and gains of the traditional poor classes.
Jeremy Corbyn would have been elected in both the last two general elections if he too hadn’t been conspired against by the deepstate, the blairite neocons, the massed media and election fixing by postal votes! A coup was even speculated by the generals and spook heads if he were allowed to win and ‘upset all their plans’. These plans being the war in Ukraine , the strategic defeat of Russia and China, a full on attack against Syria and the expansion of the Illegal Zionist Entity as they went for global domination under the long term plans of the WEF.
Corbyn is in my opinion the legitimate current PK and he has been wholly cancelled and dumped like the Man in The Mask!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 12 2024 11:11 utc | 240

Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 10:56 utc | 238
Usa military set up a reserve in Darwin for themselves. 300 million litres of jet fuel. Tendered in 2021. Pre planning now Australia parasite/hosts usa nuke bombers
And yeah Australia leases space for oil reserves in usa. Something about having to have 90 days reserve which Australia hasn’t and doesn’t even have storage capacity. Storing fuel half way round the world for an emergency , I don’t know like war with China and shipping cut doesn’t make logic, but when does government.

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 12 2024 11:53 utc | 241

Hankster | Apr 12 2024 11:53 utc | 241
Thanks.
“I don’t know like war with China and shipping cut doesn’t make logic, but when does government.”
OZ elite seem no different than the Ukraine knuckle draggers in IQ.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 11:58 utc | 242

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 10:26 utc | 233
I actually don’t believe in all this agency troll-ops stuff. Eg sb — I don’t believe for one moment that he was some committee of MI6 with AI at his fingertips, but just a very smart guy with very strong convictions, like so many specialist obsessives round here. Imo, (some) of the retired academics are the worst offenders — “I’m an expert. My degrees mean I can more correctly pontificate on anything I want”. Relevance Deprivation Syndrome, as Gareth Evans once coined it. They’ve lost their lecture room, so now the online forums are their theatre, and we poor students must be enawed by their condescended knowledge.
I Agree on superannuated academics suffering from Relevance Deprivation, but would not collaborating in a “Shadow Collective” (a description coined by Acco Hengst) agency endorsed-and supervised-by national intelligence agencies be a great way for these poor souls to retain relevance by employing their relevant areas of knowledge and expertise to construct plausible scenarios amenable to their controllers?
I reckon it’s a very good model for peddling Bullshit until it is exposed.
So you maintain that Shadow banned is (or was) a smart fella with strong convictions. I’m sure the convictions are real, but they are of the controlling agency, not of a single fired up individual. On a much earlier thread William Gruff pointed out that not only was Shadow a phenomenally fast typist, but had also memorised Wikipedia in its entirety. Given the high frequency and inordinate lengths of his posts, coupled with undoubted extensive background knowledge, I maintain that the “Shadow collective” is (was) a creature of a Western spook agency-almost certainly MI6 in that case.
Shadow seems to have been quiet for a few weeks-wonder why-, but the general mode of operation seems to be quite viable so I expect the general SB phenomenon to reappear under new names. Possibly even controlled by different 5 eyes spook outfits.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 12 2024 12:31 utc | 243

“At the moment the Americans own about 80% of Ukraine.
If they have any more than 30% of it when this conflict ends I’d say that’s a win for the Americans.”
Posted by: Julian | Apr 12 2024 4:45 utc | 209
if you knew anything about Ukraine’s geology you would discover that Russia has 80% of all Ukraine minerals in their 20% of the country they now occupy as well as oil and gas in the Donbass region:
“Ukraine has the potential to become a “critical mineral superpower,” according to a recent evaluation by SecDev, an Ottawa-based research and analysis think-tank.
The country ranks fourth globally in terms of total assessed value of natural resources, with roughly $15 billion in annual output and a potential “assessed value [that] could be as high as $7.5 trillion,” according to the report.
Beyond that, Ukraine is thought to have the largest supply of recoverable rare earth resources in Europe, although much of it is undeveloped. Rare earth minerals (cerium, yttrium, lanthanum and neodymium) and alloys are used in many devices people use every day, such as computer memory, rechargeable batteries, cellphones and much more.” (1)
1.https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/natural-resources-ukraine-war-1.6467039

Posted by: canuck | Apr 12 2024 12:38 utc | 244

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 12 2024 0:17 utc | 175
Canuck @ 31:
What you demonstrate as examples of Winston Churchills’ heroism or bravery, others would see as foolhardiness, stupidity and deliberately aggressive behaviour, all of which might point to an egotistical and vainglorious character.

Fair point. Churchill in many ways exemplified both the best and the worst of his generation, and the British Empire. He was in many ways a ‘Great Man’ (as he rightly pointed out to his Butler one day after the latter complained of his abusive, egotistical behaviour). One way of looking at European history, including its sordid imperialist aspects, is that it chronicles the rise of outrageous alcoholics. In the time of William Pitt, his Prime Ministerial daily consumption was typical of his class: about six bottles a day, two of madeira, two of wine, two of port, with quite a few beers thrown in and gin everyday amongst the working classes.
These people were all crazy. Hitler was crazy. Stalin was crazy. Lenin was crazy. Trotsky was crazy. The entire Western world was crazy. It was also powerfully vivid in ways which those of us in these latter cubicle-dwelling days find hard to grock.
All the many criticisms of the evil UK and now US Empires are warranted. But such Empires involve centuries-long civilizational dynamics with the individuals getting top billing being merely the most visible spear tips, not prime causes. After WWII there was a general return to sobriety, but because the same banking cartels remained in charge throughout, the general lessening of cultural insanity has had little effect. Witness the emasculated mess that is the EU today, not to mention how gullible feminized populations are so easily driven into ‘mass formation’.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 12 2024 12:48 utc | 245

“Definitely, the primary goal is to sucker the West in and make it spend fortunes to maintain Ukraine and the war. Everything you can make this or that thing more expensive.
The US has realized the trap and tries to back away. EU may or may not realize the trap, but is too far gone as a vassal to back out. So they drown.”
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 11 2024 19:38 utc | 113
In two concise paragraphs you succinctly outline the quintessential Russian strategy.
Well done!!

Posted by: canuck | Apr 12 2024 12:50 utc | 246

“(And Churchill couldn’t fit in a foxhole, or dig one).”
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 11 2024 20:04 utc | 122
Obviously, you have done little reading on the proffered subject; let me enlighten yourself:
“In fact, Churchill was more of a frontline soldier than some of his officers may have realised, though it had been some time since he had seen action. The last time Churchill, whose family had pushed him into a career as a cavalry officer because they thought he was too stupid to be a lawyer, had been to war was as lieutenant during the Boer War in South Africa at the turn of the century….
Before the battalion went back into the trenches, Churchill hosted a drunken party for his officers at a local hotel. He also advised them to consume alcohol in moderation while in the trenches but not to litter their dugouts with empty bottles.
“Live well but don’t flaunt it,’ he advised, mindful of the packages of luxury food, including cheeses and hams, he was receiving from home.
“Laugh a little and teach your men to laugh,” he added
“Get humour under fire. War is a game best played with a smile. If you can’t smile, grin. If you can’t grin, keep out of the way until you can.”
Once the battalion went into the trenches, Churchill was a frequent visitor to the frontline positions. He visited the sentries three times a day, often in the middle of the night, and went out into no-man’s land on almost 40 patrols. These excursions were not always popular with the men who had to accompany Churchill. One compared him to a baby elephant. “He used to shout in a loud gruff voice ‘You go this way, I’ll go this’ or ‘Come here I’ve found a gap in the wire, come here at once’’’, recalled Lieut. Edward Hakewill-Smith. Though the chubby-faced South African had graduated from Sandhurst military academy in 1915, Churchill regarded his hand-picked second-in-command Major Sinclair, commissioned into the Life Guards in 1910, as the only true regular officer in the battalion. Churchill referred to Hakewill-Smith as “Bomb Boy”. The South African commanded the 52nd Lowland Division during the Second World War. Sinclair would be Churchill’s wartime Secretary of State for Air. (1)
1.https://www.scottishmilitarydisasters.com/index.php/titles-sp-26803/66-churchill-in-the-trenches

Posted by: canuck | Apr 12 2024 13:01 utc | 247

Posted by: snake | Apr 12 2024 0:59 utc | 183
Is it possible that this hot and cold war conflict in Ukraine could be resolved by negotiating a settlement directly with the heads of the corporations who hope to do business in Ukraine? Leave taming the nation states and their armies to the corporations that already control the behavior of their respective governments <= the private multi national corporations and their elite owners? How impossible would that be?

Quite possibly, that is already ongoing. The News always talk about conflict in terms of nation states facing each other off like pugilists but there are nearly always Big Business and other undercurrents driving the agenda.
Like the US vs China narrative. There is no reasonable way the two nations will engage in traditional kinetic war but more likely a struggle to determine which systems, aka leadership classes, will prevail in which jurisdictions.
Honzo points out that China is socialist, which seems comparatively true; but it boasts a ‘Princeling Class’ who are nearly all millionaires and billionaires, which in ideal socialism should not transpire. Are they conspiratorially self-organized to enrich themselves? Or does it happen spontaneously through a self-existing class system typical of nearly all societies throughout human history no matter the ‘ism’?
The Western ruling class has layers and levels, some from the old feudal, land-based aristocracies, most from post industrial revolution corporate powers, and some from long-in-the-tooth Jewish international trading networks which have been linking East and West since long before the Crusades and whose tentacles seem to reach into every major crime syndicate and national ruling class in the world today.
So: most likely what is going on in the trenches is an age-old form of negotiation among those power networks, far above the ‘We the People’ levels, about who gets what and where in this upcoming ‘multipolar’ cycle of human history.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 12 2024 13:09 utc | 248

“@Canuck
The English strategy is to involve others like Usa and even Europeans to destabilise other nations through any means so that leader of such nations will flee with stolen money to London on which depends the money laundering economy of Enlgand –real pirate which must be killed now.
The strategy has always been to make countries unstable and ungovernable. Subjected to internal/external conflict/aggression till they are weakened to accept handing over effective power, control to the new world criminals. You only have to look at the template being used in various countries in the world…”
Posted by: Sam | Apr 11 2024 20:27 utc | 127
Sam, I agree with all of the above with one amendment: you are confusing UK/England with the supra national entity The City of London which is the real ‘evil’.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 12 2024 13:09 utc | 249

@ canuck | Apr 11 2024 17:29 utc | 67
“it sounds as though you are having a conversation with yourself ( and in a derogatory manner too), as opposed to speaking directly to posters here… not sure how well that goes over here, but it doesn’t work for me.. cheers..”
James
Well if you are conversing with me with your post-see above- so your idea that, ‘I am having a conversation with myself” is quite a farcical statement.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 12 2024 13:11 utc | 250

Canuck @ 31:
“What you demonstrate as examples of Winston Churchills’ heroism or bravery, others would see as foolhardiness, stupidity and deliberately aggressive behaviour, all of which might point to an egotistical and vainglorious character.
From that link you provided about Churchil the polo player:
…Polo, to Churchill, was approached as if a battleground more than a recreation. He played with aggression, combativeness and audacity. Bloodshed through to death, of both rider and horse, were aspects of the game, creating a warzone-like atmosphere in which, as proved later in his life, the politician would also thrive…”
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 12 2024 0:17 utc | 176
Churchill was a Fascist and I do not champion any of his policies.
Yet he was a brave, tough, clever , resourceful man; manly characteristics which some men; like myself, still admire.
Period.
Unfortunately, the Leftist Blob treats complex individuals as either ‘good’ or ‘evil’ entirely based on their political stripes (ie a Leftist can do no wrong, and a Rightist can do no good) which is juvenile, misleading-conducing a hopelessly flawed interpretation of the human condition.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 12 2024 13:23 utc | 251

“…Unfortunately, the Leftist Blob treats complex individuals as either ‘good’ or ‘evil’ entirely based on their political stripes (ie a Leftist can do no wrong, and a Rightist can do no good) which is juvenile, misleading-conducing a hopelessly flawed interpretation of the human condition.”
Do you ever read the stuff that you type?
As most people are aware the ‘left’ spends much of its energies in internecine disputes.
As to your opinions of Churchill you are wrong: yes, he was in many respects a fascist and you tend to follow him in his opinions of, for example, the ‘left’. Your admiration for him is open and obvious, his views on indigenous peoples were exactly the same as yours, his views on socialism, though more informed, were just like those that you regale us with. His ideas on human nature and man’s natural viciousness accord with your own.
The sad truth is that, though you admire Churchill you haven’t got the courage, despite your manliness, to defend your old friend from his critics.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 12 2024 13:38 utc | 252

So the NATO – chief says Ukraine has the ,,right to defend itself” against Russian ,,aggression.” Ok, fine. By the same logic then the same would go for the Palestinians defending themselves against Zionist aggression, right???

Posted by: Siggi | Apr 12 2024 13:38 utc | 253

Rain | Apr 12 2024 2:31 utc | 194
Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 3:08 utc | 185/195
Thanks for your replies.
Big strategic weapons certainly don’t make sense from a purely Aussie point of view – rather as a “US outpost”, as you write. Relieves the Pentagon budget…a little. Just wondering what Australians think about that, given it very obviously doesn’t serve their security interests.
From a military-strategic perspective, I’m wondering what medium-range missiles would be aimed at, given they’d hardly reach Chinese mainland. Also the soon-to-be US naval base is too far from (potential) conflict theatres to actually be of much use. Granted, (A)US can control the southwest Pacific – but does China show any interest in the region?

Posted by: smuks | Apr 12 2024 13:54 utc | 254

We gotta be our own Putin, Honzo. He started as taxi driver in an utterly ruined post Soviet nightmare.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 12 2024 3:44 utc | 201
I know. I’ve been in this struggle, in various forms, since my teens, and now I’m old, worn out, worn down and isolated. My shithole country will be a shithole longer than I’ll be around to see it, so allow an old man his dreams.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 12 2024 14:09 utc | 255

Russia’s escalation capacity is limited, as it has little conventional means to inflict paint to EU. (Russia cannot bomb France)
Posted by: vargas | Apr 12 2024 7:21 utc | 225
Those missiles Russia is using to strike deep into Ukraine have the range to reach anywhere in the EU including France. What weapons does France have that can strike Chelyabinsk?
The USA and therefore NATO went all in on air supremacy as a means to strike into the strategic depth … Russia went all in on missiles.
You could say the Russians play chess while the USA plays poker. In chess you develop your pieces and get the king castled before going on the attack. In poker you bet you have a better hand than your opponent. Russia has been developing their positions for 2 years now.
So far the USA has bet Russia would be crippled by sanctions. They lost that bet. Then they bet rearming Ukraine twice, once with Soviet weapons then again with NATO weapons would attrite the Russians to defeat. They lost that bet.
Now with 2 cards left to play the bet is Russia doesn’t have the missile stockpile to strike NATO countries at the strategic depth and Russia’s nuclear weapons don’t work.
Given how the first 2 bets went I wouldn’t bet the Russians don’t have the means and the missile stockpiles to strike anywhere in the EU they want and I sure as hell wouldn’t bet the Russian nukes don’t work.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 12 2024 14:15 utc | 256

Posted by: canuck | Apr 12 2024 13:23 utc | 251
Churchill was a pretty good bricklayer and I admire that in a man. He inspired me to take up a trowel and build backyard follies whenever I had a stock of wayward bricks to deal with. Thanks to him our whole neighborhood enjoyed fresh baked bread, pizza parties and and roast pork / turkey.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 12 2024 14:21 utc | 257

Posted by: bevin | Apr 12 2024 13:38 utc | 252
You would do much better to offer a counter argument rather than endless, myopic ad hominems which signify absolutely nothing.
Employing ad hominems, as you chronically do , as a offensive weapon instead of proffering a cogent counter argument clearly illustrates that one has already lost the argument.
Have a good day.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 12 2024 14:28 utc | 258

Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 23:51 utc | 173
Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 23:30 utc | 170
“Aussie military strategy is rather puzzling.
Nuclear subs, strategic missiles – for a country of barely 27 million? With huge territory & coastline to protect? Doesn’t make a lot of sense…”
This satire video explains Australia’s defense policy perfectly.
https://youtu.be/sgspkxfkS4k?si=yjWRJi0oJW2SS-Ao

Posted by: Paranaense | Apr 12 2024 14:33 utc | 259

@ canuck | Apr 12 2024 14:28 utc | 258
Still don’t know what an ad hominem argument is, do you?

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 12 2024 15:18 utc | 260

People forget that China is a fundamentally socialist economy, with the banking sector and core industries controlled by the state/Party. If China is cut off from European and American markets, they’ll redirect production for the benefit of the Chinese people, or they’ll simply have more paid time off. The Chinese do not need to realize profit through the medium of exchange- domestically, they can build for use. With energy and raw materials available from Russia, there’s simply no way to blockade China effectively.
I don’t think the US wants a war with China, because it can win, but it can lose a lot. What it wants is to isolate the New World from the Old World, and to control the New World more directly than it does now. And, it wants to control the pace and particulars of that isolation to optimize its own re-industrialization. A shooting war will not allow any fine tuning. A cold war, yes. A hot war, no.

Honzo | Apr 12 2024 3:38 utc | 199
This is kind of off-topic, but given there’s a new thread in the bar, I guess it’s allowed. 😉
Agree with what you write, just some additional thoughts.
Crucial for China’s socialist (core) economy is the mostly public financial sector.
Not only does this limit siphoning-off of private profits, but more importantly, it allows for politically targeted credit creation. Loans can be given preferentially to specific sectors of the economy (or withheld/ reduced), according to political priorities. And bank lending can be counter-cyclical, thus dampening economic shocks and preventing recessions. Economic crises in western countries are exacerbated (or even caused) by banks reducing/ withholding credit when the first sings of recession appear – thus creating a pro-cyclical effect/ vicious circle.
Interest rates for savings accounts are low (negative real rates), making half-legal shadow banks attractive for savers. But beware…once the government deems them expendable (e.g. because there’s enough housing) and pulls the plug on their business model, there’s no guarantee you’ll get your money back. I find it quite amazing how China’s rulers adopt some elements of western-style capitalism, deemed useful for the country’s development – while maintaining political control of the economy, thus avoiding capitalism’s drawbacks like recurring (deep & destructive) crises.
The Chinese middle class – roughly half the population – increasingly consumes like their western peers. Difficult to absorb all that production, should western markets be cut off. The more probable ‘ersatz’ customer is the so-called rest of the world, which is becoming ever more important as export destination(s). “Evil China” is even mass-producing so many solar panels, batteries, electric vehicles etc., it has to flood global markets with them – how dare they!
We’re headed for a global 10/90 split: 10% of the world for US/UK, 90% for China.
Both the Covid pandemic and the Ukraine war have widened the split. US/UK cannot (re)assert any ‘global leadership’, which they already lost years ago. What they do is tighten the grip over their 10% of the world – the western bloc, a.k.a. “the international community”.
The split will manifest/ is manifesting in many areas – to name a few:
a. Currency use for international trade & reserves
b. UN voting and push to reform international institutions (esp. IMF voting quota)
c. Adoption of AI in the economy, AI regulation =>
China calls it ‘new quality productive forces’ or ‘new productive forces’.
Anyone familiar with Marxist theory knows the dialectic of productive forces and relations of production. The former grow and evolve until they reach the limits imposed by the latter. To continue developing, these limits have to be overcome by ‘switching’ to new models of production, a new socio-economic paradigm/ system. Capitalism is based on private control over the means of production, including knowledge (absurdly termed “intellectual property”). However, AI improves exponentially if all input & output is *shared* – the precise opposite of the capitalist model of exclusive ownership rights. Thus, if the West adopts a capitalist model of AI regulation/ usage, it will be left behind as China & the Global South rapidly develop.

Posted by: smuks | Apr 12 2024 15:33 utc | 261

@ Angelo | 102
Thanks for the info on the two Ottoman battleships. Hadn’t heard of that, so I went and found what seems to be a reputable and detailed-enough site:
Link to a partially open article
The author is Jonathon Conlin. The site is Taylor & Francis Online. Part of it may be paywalled, but what’s open is plenty.
Conlin noted that Britain seized warships from 4 other countries – allies in fact. So the seizure of unpaid-for warships, just like the murder of some archduke (one of potentially many pretenders to the throne), was not a big deal in itself and was not what started WW1.
As First Lord of the Admiralty, Churchill facilitated bringing the Ottoman Empire into WW1 by helping the German warships, the Breslau and the Goeben to run from near Sicily to the Dardanelles and breach Turkish neutrality. The British Declaration Of War did not take effect until at least 14 hours after its announcement. Too odd, nevert happened in the history of war, and showed the real plot. So the order to allow those cruisers to reach the Dardanelles came from from higher up. In a )))normal world(((, adding a major nation to the enemies you are at war with, is treason.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Apr 12 2024 15:42 utc | 262

@ Angelo | 102
Thanks for the info on the two Ottoman battleships. Hadn’t heard of that, so I went and found what seems to be a reputable and detailed-enough site:
Link to a partially open article
The author is Jonathon Conlin. The site is Taylor & Francis Online. Part of it may be paywalled, but what’s open is plenty.
Conlin noted that Britain seized warships from 4 other countries – allies in fact. So the seizure of unpaid-for warships, just like the murder of some archduke (one of potentially many pretenders to the throne), was not a big deal in itself and was not what started WW1.
As First Lord of the Admiralty, Churchill facilitated bringing the Ottoman Empire into WW1 by helping the German warships, the Breslau and the Goeben to run from near Sicily to the Dardanelles and breach Turkish neutrality. The British Declaration Of War did not take effect until at least 14 hours after its announcement. Too odd, never happened in the history of war, and showed the real plot. So the order to allow those cruisers to reach the Dardanelles came from from higher up. In a )))normal world(((, adding a major nation to the enemies you are at war with, is treason.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Apr 12 2024 15:42 utc | 263

Hello dear Canuck m.f.div.,
in the English Wikipedia I found the following research to “lions led by donkeys”.
Plutarch (c. AD 46 – after AD 119) attributed to Chabrias the saying that “an army of deer commanded by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions commanded by a deer”.[5][6] An ancient Arabian proverb says “An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep”.[citation needed] During the Crimean War, a letter was reportedly sent home by a British soldier quoting a Russian officer who had said that British soldiers were “lions commanded by donkeys”.[7] This was immediately after the Siege of Sevastopol (1854–55) and the failure to storm the fortress which, if true, would take the saying back to 1854–55. The phrase is quoted in Anna Stoddart’s 1906 book The Life of Isabella Bird in the scene where Isabella, en route for America in 1854, passes a troopship taking the Scots Greys out to Balaclava. These and other Crimean War references were included in British Channel 4 television’s The Crimean War series (1997) and the accompanying book (Michael Hargreave Mawson, expert reader).[better source needed]
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the phrase on 27 September 1855, in an article published in Neue Oder-Zeitung, No. 457 (1 October 1855), on the British military’s strategic mistakes and failings during the fall of Sevastopol, and particularly General James Simpson’s military leadership of the assault on the Great Redan.
The joke making the rounds of the Russian army, that “L’armée anglaise est une armée de lions, commandée par des ânes” [“The English army is an army of lions led by asses”] has been thoroughly vindicated by the assault on Redan.[8]
The Times reportedly used the phrase as “lions led by donkeys” with reference to French soldiers during the Franco-Prussian War:
Unceasingly they [the French forces] had had drummed into them the utterances of The Times: “You are lions led by jackasses.” Alas! The very lions had lost their manes. (On leur avait répété tout le long de la campagne le mot du Times: – “Vous êtes des lions conduits par des ânes! – Hélas! les lions mêmes avaient perdus leurs crinières”) Francisque Darcey (sometimes Sarcey).[9][incomplete short citation]
There were numerous examples of its use during the First World War, referring to the British and the Germans.[1] In Rising Sun and Tumbling Bear: Russia’s War with Japan (2003), Richard Connaughton attributed a later quotation to Colonel J. M. Grierson (later Sir James Grierson) in 1901, when reporting on the Russian contingent to the Boxer Rebellion, describing them as ‘lions led by asses’.[10]
More recent usage
In the Second World War, German general Erwin Rommel said it about the British after he captured Tobruk.[11]
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Posted by: Otto Kern | Apr 12 2024 16:18 utc | 264

Ukraine Weekly Update, 12th April 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-b97

Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Apr 12 2024 16:56 utc | 265

Posted by: smuks | Apr 12 2024 15:33 utc | 261
Two points. First for some reason we have been led to believe that economies are a binary choice of either capitalist or socialist. There are an infinite number of points between these two extremes and people have worked and traded for 10,000 years before these concepts were even thought of.
Second China and Russia have been through major wars before. They know what’s needed and how to prepare. If Chinese are unemployed because of a trade war with the USA they’ll put people to work making weapons. If you’ve ever watched the Chinese build a highway bridge overnight you can only imagine how many missiles they can build if push comes to shove.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 12 2024 17:03 utc | 266

… mental derangement. Let’s add Samantha powers into the list with this comical presser. She can’t think of a better return of investment than investing into Ukraine, energy sector was mentioned. Ukraine economy will grow 5% according to her, everyone else thinks it’s already off the cliff .
Posted by: Hankster | Apr 12 2024 7:01 utc | 223
Atlantic, updated at 3:12 p.m. ET on October 7, 2023
What a difference a week makes.
Just eight days ago, National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, speaking at The Atlantic Festival, rattled off a long list of positive developments in the Middle East, developments that were allowing the Biden administration to focus on other regions and other problems. A truce was holding in Yemen. Iranian attacks against U.S. forces had stopped. America’s presence in Iraq was “stable.” The good news crescendoed with this statement: “The Middle East region is quieter today than it has been in two decades.” [Sullivan gave credit for this to indefatigable efforts of Biden Administration.]
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My guess is that Samantha Powers does not pay full-time attention to current events, being to busy writing “The Problem USA” that will capitalize on the success of “The Problem from Hell”.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 12 2024 19:15 utc | 267

quasi half measure, you mean the fact of Russian refusing to attack Ukron nuclear power plants? Of course they should avoid precisely that.
The radio active thing does not recognize neither respect anyones borders.
They got their own nuky power plant in Zapohrizia

Posted by: augusto | Apr 12 2024 20:43 utc | 268

Two points. First for some reason we have been led to believe that economies are a binary choice of either capitalist or socialist. There are an infinite number of points between these two extremes and people have worked and traded for 10,000 years before these concepts were even thought of.
Second China and Russia have been through major wars before. They know what’s needed and how to prepare. If Chinese are unemployed because of a trade war with the USA they’ll put people to work making weapons. If you’ve ever watched the Chinese build a highway bridge overnight you can only imagine how many missiles they can build if push comes to shove.
HB_Norica | Apr 12 2024 17:03 utc | 266
I hope you didn’t read my post as agreeing to a “binary choice of either capitalist or socialist.”
Not only are there an “infinite number of points between these two” – they are also rather similar, from an anarchist perspective. There’s so much more than just these two rather centralized, top-down economic systems…
Sure, China can build 100 times as many missiles, ships and tanks as the US. Why, exactly, should it do that? In a major war, all participants lose – the winners are those staying out of the war. “A strange game…the only winning move is not to play.”, to quote a famous film.
China doesn’t want war, it waits for the West to voluntarily accept its hegemony. Russia doesn’t want war either, but someone has to be the ‘tank’ and absorb NATO hits.

Posted by: smuks | Apr 12 2024 21:23 utc | 269

Big strategic weapons [for Australia] certainly don’t make sense from a purely Aussie point of view – rather as a “US outpost”, as you write. Relieves the Pentagon budget…a little. Just wondering what Australians think about that, given it very obviously doesn’t serve their security interests.
From a military-strategic perspective, I’m wondering what medium-range missiles would be aimed at, given they’d hardly reach Chinese mainland. Also the soon-to-be US naval base is too far from (potential) conflict theatres to actually be of much use. Granted, (A)US can control the southwest Pacific – but does China show any interest in the region?
Posted by: smuks | Apr 12 2024 13:54 utc | 254
Ah yes, a very astute question: “… what do Australians think about that, given it very obviously doesn’t serve their security interests”.
Firstly the term “Australians” encompasses many cohorts!
In the ruling class, the Uniparty (L+R) go lockstep along with US Foreign Policies in the Asia Pacific region, have done since 1975, and UK interests before that, yet occasionally muttering fantasies about “our own interests”.
In the commentariat class and media, 90% would be China Hawks. It’s a deeply entrenched narrative since Mao was born, but more truly since the 90s “rise of China” has threatened Anglo-US global hegemony. This country has massive, long term cultural insecurities, you know.
In the general public, I’d say 50% are China Hawks, 10% Sinophiles, and 40% ambivalent so long as the shelves at Bunnings are full of Chinese imports.
Perhaps PeterAU would like to add more. I actually loathe discussing it because average Australians are such geopolitical blind mice and monkeys.
Imo, as a fkn big island, our ACTUAL DEFENCE NEEDS ***might, one day be*** against a beach assault by Indonesia! Lmao, because such paranoia stems from current Islamophobia and WWII Japanese invasion memories and the 60s Vietnam Commie Domino theory!
Nah, there’s something truly STUPID about Australia aligning with the US for defence purposes. It’s in fact more dangerous than wise.
I don’t think Aus has any long or medium range missiles of its own to shoot at anyone, and what America has stationed in our outback is no doubt top secret. But I’d be sure the Chinese, and maybe the Russians have something pointed at them.
Finally, no, China does not show any military interest in the South Pacific. Its political overtures into various South Pacific Islands is only to get a friendly economic presence there, in advance, in their own defence, before the Yanks establish their own bases there. Australia has already taken sides in those ventures by maligning Chinese diplomacy with ALL South Asian nations.
It’s all just too bizarre how this country is run for my little brain. Despite compulsory voting laws, I haven’t voted for any of the fuckers since 1972.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 22:53 utc | 270

> Aleksey Arestovich, a former advisor …not to fuck around and publish?
@b well, no. That is usual russian slur (#1) and his ukrainian or arestovich’s variation (#2)
but i believe correct TL would’ve been “…not to lie through one’s teeth and steal out dry?”

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 12 2024 23:33 utc | 271

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Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 23:50 utc | 272

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Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 12 2024 12:31 utc | 243

Further more, just noticed something interesting about our friend vargas. He posts something quite mindless; well-meaning others respond in good faith to correct him; he never reposts to them to argue his point; he next posts a different topic of stupidity; same keeps happening. The end result of this will be a NET INCREASE of CORRECT information in the thread. So what would be MI6’s point in that? Unless he’s ignored, which leaves his initial bullshit to stand unaddressed. I think there’s a tendency in some to imagine bell curve intelligence/stupidity extremities as state malevolence. Trolls tend to present fake facts, not fake stupidity.
Point in case: His classic was “Australia is a great gene pool of isolation”. Lmao. Does he think we’ve all been out here inbreeding since 1788. Lmao. Nah, that’s a 14 year old’s knowledge of world history. Or maybe he meant Austria! 🙂
Also, he does not respond to insults, direct or indirect. I don’t think he has the courage or wits to do so. Whereas sb would politely respond to any question you asked him. Both real humans (aspie spectrum, but opposite extremes) in my opinion.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 13 2024 0:22 utc | 273

It appears to be a common claim here that blowing up Russian infrastructure is bringing retaliation against Ukrainian infrastructure.
This makes no sense. Russia did this targeting in the winter of 2022 and before January 2024 when Ukraine did not attack oil refineries. And now, Russians have more missiles, and with Ukraine’s lack of supply of anti-missile defences from the West, they are using them. It is silly to think that Russia’s actions are conditioned at all by what Ukraine is doing in retaliation, except in so far as Ukraine is able to block or deter Russian aggression. And it is the case that Russian oil infrastructure is under-defended.So, it is a legitimate target of war.

Posted by: Hustled Enough | Apr 13 2024 4:03 utc | 274

Excellent reporting b! And drawing out so many brilliant comments.
The latest de-energisation attack seems out of tune – a drastic departure from Russia’s successful strategy of measured gradual escalation. Why irrevocably destroy highly valuable generation infrastructure just to turn the lights off once again? Now that Russia has wide air superiority (not expected to last?), why not knock out transmission selectively and repeatedly for similar effect – let them scramble to repair it – just to be knocked out again, and so on?
Maybe the need for a strong response to the refinery attacks.
Maybe Honzo @25 got it right: pulling the power plug more definitely to disable an imminent NATO invasion.
The next surprise was that the lights did come back one.
That seems to prove correct the more pessimistic estimates around the bar on remaining Ukro population and economic activity. Russia took out a huge amount of generation yet what remains still balances what must be anaemic demand.
And as a another factor, I suspect Russia left 404’s import capacity intact, allowing and forcing its South/Western neighbours to fill the gaps. The West has no choice if it wants to keep Kharkov populated and from falling to Russia quite soon. Bringing large Western power flows all the way there from and via Poland, and maybe Romania and Slovakia will cause severe strains and tensions not just on the technical level. Tightening the screws on the poodles. This will reverberate through to Western Europe on electricity markets, together with Europe’s largest natgas storage now out of action as well. Western Europe’s industry is getting drained by actions from both US and Russia.
In line with unimperator @77 – this removes a meaningful chunk of cheap power for Western Europe, plus forces more expensive reserve power up the merit order to come online.
No idea what this means for the Ukro nuke plants. These are very valuable (above and beyond Zapo NPP) and I imagine Russia will take great care to preserve them. Just one thought to oldhippie @111: while the General Electric design clearly didn’t save the Fukushima plants, their failure was much more likely caused by that strangely oversized “camera” object that an Israeli company installed inside the pressure reactor (!), with an internet connection to the outside world (!!!).

Posted by: Leser | Apr 13 2024 8:02 utc | 275

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 23:50 utc | 272
Thank you for replying to my @243. Only just read it -and your supplementary @273-.
Firstly, I agree that SB was never likely to cajole the RF to nuke European capitals or take more affirmative conventional military action despite his (apparently) deeply felt rage at indignities thrown at Russia. Firstly, because the Russians are sane and not prone to “knee-jerk” reactions which would certainly result in WW3 from use of nukes (unless they were nuked first). Also, earlier in this war I don’t think RF had the means to deliver a large decisive conventional strike that would be strategically advantageous. The situation has changed radically since the defeat of the NATO inspired Ukrainian offensive last year, and despite a few (again NATO inspired and enabled) drone/missile strikes within RF proper, all signs indicate the RF is in a pretty good position with respect to the UAF. On that point I do not take the recent hopium fuelled comments of vargas and anonymous seriously, and don’t bother responding. I agree that these two are very probably another breed of troll, but-without further evidence- will not associate them with the “Shadow Collective” and MI6.
As for why MI6 or any other intelligence agency would go to the trouble and expense of recruiting suitable academics (retired or still active) and possibly their students, probably all based in different locations (because of the diversity of expertise expressed by SB), setting up necessary communication with a control/oversight structure etc. etc, I really have no well defined idea. This question has been asked by myself and others, but I suspect it is a “tool” to draw out and presumably identify articulate and knowledgeable responders. Such individuals could be viewed as potential threats or adversaries by overly paranoid spook officers.
I realise this is not a great answer, but it is the best I can come up with at present.
Apologies for the delay in my reply. BB

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 13 2024 9:29 utc | 276

Posted by: Otto Kern | Apr 12 2024 16:18 utc | 264
Thank you for your comprehensive post on the etymology of, “lions led by donkeys”; one learns new things every day!

Posted by: canuck | Apr 13 2024 12:43 utc | 277

The statement that “the Russian campaign to de-energize the country is a direct consequence of Ukrainian attacks on infrastructure in Russia” is not believable. It is of course very convenient for the Russian Federation to say that now, considering what’s been happening in the last days. However, these days also correspond to an extreme weak position of the Ukr army, what with the lack of men, furnitures, AD… If Russia ever intended to do further damage to Ukraine and extend the area it controls, which it highly probably does intend, now is the right time to knock out all power (including the distribution of nuclearly-generated power.) Damaging the distribution system was enough as long as the front was stationary/attritionary, letting a lot of the Western-supplied materiel be delivered to the Russian army for destruction. If, however, the troops will now move on to take care of the Odessa-Transnistria, Kharkov or Dniepropetrovsk problems then they logically will start by blocking all undesirable movement.

Posted by: piero colombo | Apr 13 2024 15:15 utc | 278

Oranienburg (pop. 46,0000) is a small city in the east of Germany, north of Berlin. The city of Oranienburg has no spare electricity capacity left. Existing contracts are honored, but no new connections are given for heat pumps for houses, charging stations for electric cars, new businesses or industry. If you want to increase your connection to the electric grid: bad luck, no go.
(news article in German)
The question is whether this is an isolated case, or a harbinger of tge Germany to come.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 13 2024 21:53 utc | 279

Passerby | Apr 13 2024 21:53 utc | 279
Nonsense propaganda from a far-right paper.
Limiting factor isn’t electricity generation, but transmission. Easy solution: More/ ‘bigger’ power lines.

Posted by: smuks | Apr 14 2024 20:56 utc | 280

A rather childish lens to interpret our world.
Posted by: canuck | Apr 11 2024 17:29 utc | 67
Plenty of stolen valor politician stories about their combat exploits and close calls. Reality would be closer to a chicken hawk. PR existed before it was called PR. Maybe time to grow up? A fistful of salt?
I remember reading Churchill intro to Bram Dracula and thinking he was a good writer.

Posted by: jopalolive | Apr 15 2024 7:48 utc | 281

Anyone care to speculate on what the Z-schwein coke head fables will be after the war, assuming the Russ let him survive? His bravery, cunning, sheer will power. The munificence gaze of a made up bronze age shit tribal god to rationalize the utter idiocy, debauchery, psychopathy, unlimited greed for what belongs to others, the depths of the self-idolatry Chosen narcissism? A footnote in the longest running PR campaign in the history of mankind!
I imagine it will be of the same mud as Churchill’s exPLOiTs and msm REP.

Posted by: jopalolive | Apr 15 2024 8:09 utc | 282

It appears to be a common claim here that blowing up Russian infrastructure is bringing retaliation against Ukrainian infrastructure.
Posted by: Hustled Enough | Apr 13 2024 4:03 utc | 274
My opinion is that Russia had everything in place and just waited for UKrain to target civilian infrastructure, in order to be perceived as showing restraint. Which imo Russia has been showing restraint for over a decade. The Fall 2022 energy attack was needed to limit UKrain troop advances (electric rail) in the Kherson and Kharkiv counter offensives. The UKrain dummies provided the pretext by bombing the Crimean bridge. So the RofW does not perceive Russia as being a big bully. Some East Europeans (UKrain included) for example keenly remember the Soviet era. Russia is trying to modify this population memory while conducting a war. A limited, restrained war. They are being cautious so as not to overly excite the Poles, Baltics, etc. which could make their objectives more expensive, difficult or unachievable.
My country could well learn from this example. Alas. Phony phalse phlags do not equate to restraint.
Though we did have a meteoric rise of a Prez during a time of war against Muslim countries and the establishment of African Central Command. Two for one deal! “the US can not be that bad, muslim named afro”. The right nor left really appreciates the incredible PR Obama did for lessening animosity, costs, lives lost and the advancement of US geopolitical aims. It is not enough on it’s own, but it surely helped.

Posted by: jopalolive | Apr 15 2024 8:44 utc | 283