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April 11, 2024
Ukraine – To Hurt Russia Means Pain For Ukraine

Ukraine is trying to hurt Russia by hitting its refineries. But the attacks fail to have the desired effects on Russia.  The Russian response though, in form of de-energization attacks on Ukraine, seriously endanger the state.

Today the Russian Federation continued with the de-energization of Ukraine (machine translation):

As a result of a massive Russian missile attack on the night of April 11 , the Trypillya thermal power plant in the Kiev region was completely destroyed.

Located in the city of Ukrainka, Trypillia thermal power station was commissioned in 1973 and became the most powerful power plant in the Kiev region. It was also the largest supplier of electricity to the Kiev, Cherkasy and Zhytomyr regions.

Since the Zmiyevskaya TPP in the Kharkiv region was completely destroyed on March 22, and Russian troops occupied the Uglegorsk TPP in the Donetsk region on July 25, 2022, Centrenergo has now lost 100% of its generation.

After the complete destruction of the Trypillya TPP, the network recalls the statement of Centrenergo from August 2023 that the facility is equipped with physical protection "at 100%".

At the same time, it was reported that 70% of the work at the Zmievskaya TPP was completed. This facility was also destroyed by shelling in March of this year.

DTEK, another power supply company in Ukraine, also reported significant losses:

During the missile attack on early 11 April, Russia attacked two thermal power plants owned by DTEK company (Ukraine's largest private investor in energy), severely damaging the equipment there.

Source: DTEK press service

Details: "After the attack, the power engineers promptly began to eliminate the consequences and restore the equipment. According to early reports, there were no casualties," the statement said.

Since the start of the full-scale invasion, DTEK's thermal power plants have been attacked almost 170 times.

In addition to the power supplies Russian attacks also targeted parts of the national electricity distribution network:

Russia has damaged Ukrenergo’s substations and generation facilities in Odesa, Zaporizhzhia, Lviv, Kharkiv and Kyiv Oblasts as a result of a massive missile attack on the night of 10-11 April (Ukrenergo is the electricity transmission system operator in Ukraine).

Europe's biggest underground storage facility for natural gas in western Ukraine was also attacked (machine translation):

On the night of April 11, Russian cruise missiles of various classes and drones attacked two critical energy infrastructure facilities in the Lviv region.

This was announced by the head of the Lviv OVA Maxim Kozitsky.

"This is a gas distribution infrastructure facility in the Stryi district and an electric substation in the Chervonograd district. Fires started. They were quickly extinguished by firefighters. There were no casualties. All life support systems in the Lviv region are operating normally," Kozytsky said.

The underground storage facility is partly used by west European companies. But without the pumping and distribution system at the surface the underground facility, and anything stored in it, becomes useless.

Russia has not attacked any of the nuclear power plants in Ukraine. They, and limited electricity imports from western Europe, can still provide a minimum of basic load electricity to the country. But any peaks in consumption, which are usually buffered by the now destroyed thermal and hydroelectric power plants, will put the system under stress. Significant blackouts will thus become unavoidable.

Aleksey Arestovich, a former advisor to the president of Ukraine, is not happy about this (machine translation):

The Russians consistently knock out our generation – hydroelectric and thermal power plants.

More than UAH 50 billion was allocated to protect the stations.

This is the same amount as according to the NBU, Ukrainians collected defense donations in two years.

I throw up questions that should be asked to our leaders.:

  • how and what was the money spent?
  • why haven't alternative generation circuits been created in the last two years – gas-fired power plants haven't been purchased?
  • why didn't you listen to the experts for two years, who predicted what was happening back in May 2022 and offered to do business for two years, and not to fuck around and publish?

Energy is the foundation of the country's life. If there is no energy, there is nothing.

We are still holding on, thanks to the energy bridge with the EU and nuclear power plants, but the prospect that some regions will sit without electricity for weeks (and therefore without production and storage of food-in the summer!) getting closer.

Neither Arestovich nor other commentators in Ukraine acknowledge that the Russian campaign to de-energize the country is a direct consequence of Ukrainian attacks on infrastructure in Russia.

The daily reports by the Russian Ministry of Defense have emphasized this several times:

In response to the Kiev regime's attempts to damage Russian oil and gas and energy facilities, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation launched a massive strike on Ukrainian fuel and energy facilities with long-range precision weapons, air-and sea-based weapons, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles. The strike goals have been achieved. All objects are hit.

As a result, the work of Ukrainian military industry enterprises was disrupted, the transfer of reserves to combat areas was disrupted, and fuel supply to units and military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was hampered.

Ukraine has, over several weeks, used drones to attack oil refineries deep within Russia. It did not stop even after it received the first Russian responses in form of renewed strikes on its energy facilities.

The U.S. has said that it does not like the Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil facilities because they could lead to an increase in global gasoline prices which could lower president Biden's chance for a re-election.

Only yesterday U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin again criticized such attacks:

US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Ukraine’s recent drone strikes on Russian oil refineries have a “knock-on effect” that could affect the global energy situation and suggested Kyiv focus on “tactical and operational targets” instead.

“Those attacks could have a knock-on effect in terms of the global energy situation. Ukraine is better served in going after tactical and operational targets that can directly influence the current fight,” Austin told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday, April 9, Bloomberg reported.

Austin’s comments are the latest confirmation of Washington’s position on Ukrainian drone strikes on Russian refineries, which first started circulating following a Financial Times (FT) article – citing unnamed officials – that said Washington had relayed wishes to Ukraine’s intelligence units to stop hitting Russian oil refineries for fear of rising crude prices and retaliation.

However, unable to provide further money and weapons to Ukraine, the Biden administration has lost much of its leverage over Ukraine.

It has also failed to put its ducks in a row. Remarkably the General Secretary of NATO, usually a spokesperson for U.S. policy, takes a position that is in opposite to what the U.S. Secretary of Defense says:

Oil refineries in Russian territory are “legitimate” targets for Ukrainian drone strikes, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg during a joint press briefing with Finnish President Alexander Stubb on April 10.

Stoltenberg reiterated that Ukraine has the right to defend itself by military means.

“Ukraine has the right to strike legitimate military targets outside the territory of their country to defend itself,” the secretary said.

While the Economist lauds the Ukrainian attacks it notes that the intended consequences like a gasoline shortage in Russia, are unlikely to happen:

The government has kept a lid on prices by banning petrol exports for six months from March 1st, and striking a deal with Belarus, its client state. Russia imported 3,000 tonnes of fuel from Belarus in the first half of March, up from zero in January. Fearing that may not be enough, officials have also asked neighbouring Kazakhstan to set aside a third of its reserves, equivalent to 100,000 tonnes, should Russia need them, according to Reuters.

Nor will Russia lose any income:

The government will even save some cash by paying out fewer per-barrel subsidies to refineries. Russia’s biggest money-earners are resource taxes. And because these are levied as royalties at the well-head, the government is indifferent between oil exported as crude or as refined fuel, says Mr Vakulenko. As long as Russia is able to export crude, it can collect royalties.

To sum up:

  • The Ukrainian attacks on Russian refineries do not have the desired secondary effects on Russia. Fuel is available at cheap prices and resource based state income continues to be high.
  • Ukraine's attacks on Russia are the purported reason given by Russia for the de-energization of Ukraine.
  • NATO and the U.S. defense establishment do not have a consistent position.
  • Global fuel prices are rising and are hurting Biden's campaign efforts.
  • Ukraine continues to be de-energized.

One might think that the negative effects from the above are significant enough to lead to a change in policies.

How come I do not expect to see any?

Comments

(Patton) “No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”
Imo, the poor dumb bastards fighting and dying for Zelenskyy shouldn’t pin any hopes on the United States Cavalry riding in to save that sad sack of a loser, not if the mood of the American electorate just prior to a momentous general election counts for anything.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 11 2024 17:01 utc | 60

Ironically, Patton died in occupied Germany, in a road traffic accident (allegedly), just after the war finished.
Lol.
Karma can be such a bitch.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 11 2024 19:11 utc | 101

Let’s not forget the the Lord ASS of the Admiralty Winnie seized two Turkish ordered battleships being built in England in 1914 just after the Austrian Archduke was assassinated and before the war started.
The Germans had provided two older battleship in 1910/11.
Winston brought Turkey into the war on the side of Germany…
I believe Winston did that on purpose to secure the Bosporus/Galipoli and possibly Crimea after 1917

Posted by: Angelo | Apr 11 2024 19:11 utc | 102

It starting to look a fairly sure thing US has dumped Europe and is circling the wagons consisting of the allies it needs to attack china. The Island chain thing, India and whatever else it can rope in in the region.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 17:52 utc | 79
What do you mean by ‘attack China’? The US can no more win a war against China than it can against Russia. Nor can the US economy function without China- the standard of living in US would plunge if stores were cut off from ‘made in China.’ That’s even the official word out of Yellen et all- no ‘decoupling.’
The US needs time to rebuild its industrial base, even with the boost it gets from plundering Germany. That is one of many necessary preconditions for a war with China, and it is one that makes such a war unnecessary and preposterous.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 11 2024 19:13 utc | 103

imperator @ 98
That is how I see it too. Question: When the electric was shut off in Kharkov a few days back we heard of a mass exodus of civilians. They could not go east through front lines. Has anyone heard where they went?

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 11 2024 19:15 utc | 104

Posted by: ossi | Apr 11 2024 18:38 utc | 92
Why ???
Imho Nato is in no position to go to war with Russia (I‘m not talking about sending some NATO troops disguised as mercenaries).
There are several reasons for that opinion:
– no unity among them
– lack of support from the western population for high intensity/ground war with Russia. Politician and journalists can talk a lot know about that, that a high intensity war in western and eastern (not Ukraine) Europe could be possible in the near future some are even drooling about it… well talk is cheap and imho the masses will not fall for it. This is not „1918 … hooray we go to war“!
– lack of sufficient weapons and munitions production for a war with Russia
.. to mention just a few reason.

Posted by: NoName | Apr 11 2024 19:15 utc | 105

*a lot now
I really wish there would be an edit function

Posted by: NoName | Apr 11 2024 19:17 utc | 106

.
.Well Alaska now has another problem…
Their fishing rights were revoked in Russian territories.
You have to know that around 45% of the catch quotas of all crab species came from exactly these areas.
In Alaska, one in three people works in or for this area.
Posted by: ossi | Apr 11 2024 17:32 utc | 70
That explains at least 33% of that 36%.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 11 2024 19:19 utc | 107

Black Mountain analysis, new episode with Mike Mihajlovic on Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIjJMhogLoM

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 11 2024 19:19 utc | 108

Not usually attributed to Churchill, and more commonly attached to the British Army in World War 1, and can be traced back to the Crimean War, and even much further. Variants of the expression go back to Plutarch.

Posted by: Toby James | Apr 11 2024 19:25 utc | 109

Why would Russian feel comfortable with the US on its eastern border ?
Posted by: Cheryl | Apr 11 2024 16:39 utc | 49
Perhaps not comfortable, but the MAD math makes it tolerable because Alaska is not a proxy, it’s part of the US, so none of the fucking around with mercs in Ukraine etc. Also, both Alaska and the Russian Far East are lightly populated and present difficulties for any kind of conventional invasion, as seizing the coastal parts doesn’t strategically threaten the core industries, agriculture, population or political structure of either nation.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 11 2024 19:30 utc | 110

For those not aware of basics – Ukraine has a lot of nuclear reactors, not just Chernobyl and Zaporhyzia. A reactor that has been shut down needs grid power to keep it cool for years. On site generators are a stopgap measure. Only reliable grid power works in the long run. Should power be lost and cooling stop major accidents occur quickly. Soviet engineering is generally not so comical as General Electric engineering so there is slightly more slack. Not enough slack to be comfortable with any reactor in any war zone.
See Fukushima if you do not think General Electric engineering is comical. That was a GE Mark One. All nukes, all of them anywhere, have a lot in common with a Boeing 737. Engineering by hoping for the best.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 11 2024 19:32 utc | 111

Good ol’FAFO … not the most efficient way to win anything, most notably : a war.
Most of the wars are economic things : when the costs take over the benefits , the race is done. This one is long done and is becoming a “money sink” as a gamer would say. Something useless you buy for bragging about it.

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Apr 11 2024 19:34 utc | 112

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Apr 11 2024 19:34 utc | 112
Definitely, the primary goal is to sucker the west in and make it spend fortunes to maintain Ukraine and the war. Everything you can make this or that thing more expensive.
The US has realized the trap and tries to back away. EU may or may not realize the trap, but is too far gone as a vassal to back out. So they drown.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 11 2024 19:38 utc | 113

So, again the same, but very late.
Russia really seems not to pursue a victory, but enjoys a long suffocation.
Or it appears so to us non-experts who imagined similar full scale actions 2 years ago. Or 10 years ago.
This war yields significant attrition of Slaves, done by Chabadists Zelensky and Putin.

Posted by: Saraj | Apr 11 2024 19:38 utc | 114

“I suspect Israel has reached its use by date…”
Honzo @25
Great analysis. Bringing up one counter-point. US public opinion for support of Israel remains strong. Not so with Ukraine. IMO, this US Administration, or for that matter any subsequent administration, will never be able to extricate itself from Israel.

Posted by: Tango Victor | Apr 11 2024 19:41 utc | 115

One important thing people should keep in mind : it is unlikely that Ukraine will suffer a total blackout. As Arestovich mentions, interconnectors with the European grid have been and are being built, and on the gas front since several years already, reverse flow agreements have been put in place, like at Uzhgorod / Velke Kapucsany which will enable Ukraine to always have a modicum of energy available. Ukraine is not an energy island, you know.
However this does not mean Russian attacks are ineffective. If they transform Ukraine into a net energy importer, this will be a drain on the EU, although the effects will be felt over the long-term and rather insidiously.
All in all, I do not believe yet that this could have a very significant short-term impact on the war. Several waves of attacks have happened for over a year now, and Ukraine has somehow always managed to restore power and supply its war machine. I prefer to stay skeptical for now and wait to see if there is indeed some compounding effect.

Posted by: Micron | Apr 11 2024 19:44 utc | 116

After 2 years of piecemeal destruction not to overwhelm Ukrainian brothers and sisters with impossible infrastructure failure and destruction the Russians are finally destroying the whole Ukie power grid… in April and not December… just so their Ukrainian brothers and sisters at least do not freeze to death.
Posted by: Mann friedmann | Apr 11 2024 16:39 utc | 47
From a strategic perspective, destroying infrastructure while Ukrainian AD is plentiful, while Ukraine still has ample ammunition, while Ukrainian brigades are still intact is not very effective. Now that Ukrainian military power has been degraded and there’s nothing in the west to replace the losses with, the effect of destroying the grid and bridges is multiplied an order of magnitude.
Russia was in no position to follow up on de-energizing Ukraine last year or in 22. It would have been expensive in missiles that were needed elsewhere, because Ukraine still had air defenses. Much damage could be repaired, bridges replaced with work-arounds, and so on, because the Russians could not move forward against the massive fortifications in Donbass rapidly enough to exploit the damage. So, they methodically eliminated AD, they destroyed Ukraine’s artillery and its western replacements, forced the west to deplete its reserves of equipment and ammunition, and killed half a million Ukrainian soldiers. Only now is it possible to exploit the effects of de-energizing the country and destroying its transport choke-points.
It is one thing to achieve each of these things individually, doing them so their impacts converge at the same time is masterful planning and execution.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 11 2024 19:45 utc | 117

Ukrainian citizens would be assaulted with white phosphorous bombs if their opponent was the US or Israel. Their suffering would be much worse against a Global North opponent.

Posted by: Wilikins | Apr 11 2024 19:46 utc | 118

@B
“One might think that the negative effects from the above are significant enough to lead to a change in policies.
How come I do not expect to see any?”
I believe Nato has got a tiger by the tail. They can’t let Russia win, they can’t make Russia surrender.
So far the cost of militarily defeating Russia and the cost of cutting Ukraine loose is higher than the cost of these energy disruptions. Biden is also expendable.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 11 2024 19:48 utc | 119

Karlof1 has spotted a key aspect of the de-electrification of 404. Gensets, to keep the lights on, with their thermal signatures, will be prioritized to the military, the spooks, the gubmint etc. All prime targets, and able to be passively detected…..

Posted by: Waymad | Apr 11 2024 19:49 utc | 120

Posted by: canuck | Apr 11 2024 15:55 utc | 31
You do have good takes on some things but I must be honest, just the first few sentences of this one and I scrolled down immediately to see who was saying it.

Posted by: ryanggg | Apr 11 2024 19:54 utc | 121

Remember that the “lions and donkeys” stuff is always whenever used an example of grossly self-gratifying propaganda making the claim that while there was a disastrous loss under the orders of imbeciles there is a supposedly silver lining in the imagined bravery of the fools that died.
That is what it actually tries to sell you; a plain insult to your intelligence and anyone’s loss.
Maybe the “Ukrainians” deserve that though (but probably no more than everyone else).
(And Churchill couldn’t fit in a foxhole, or dig one).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 11 2024 20:04 utc | 122

@27
Quote “Using Ukraine as a firing range, and its servicepeople as an expendable product for testing and upgrading newly developed arms and tactics of their use, the British security services do not bother planning thoroughly thought-out terrorist acts and precisely worked-out operations,” the FSB officer said.
Furthermore, the United Kingdom is actively providing Ukrainian special forces with intelligence equipment and new types of explosives, including experimental samples.”
Is that not the reason enough for Russia to attack and annihilate British spy headquarters in London and kill war mongers there who planned Ukraine war And are running this war because they feel safe from a distance?

Posted by: Sam | Apr 11 2024 20:14 utc | 123

Honzo | Apr 11 2024 19:13 utc | 103
US is waging war against Russia quite easily and as the likes of Graham are proud to say “without a single American dying”.
The only thing that will prevent it from doing similar in the Asia pacific is financial collapse.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 20:16 utc | 124

Anyone know what effects this latest attack on the generators has had on the railways ?
It must of cliped Ukraines wings as of now, will Russia capilise short term ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2024 20:24 utc | 125

@Cannuck
Heard another reason why the Anglos (English speaking so called “West”) wanted to destabilize Ukraine: it’s because of the natural symbiosis that’s getting stronger and stronger between Germany (engineering, industry) and Russia (resources). A match made in heaven (well … sort of …) that is a direct threat to the Anglo thieving and piracy directed economic supremacy.
England always hated, hates and will hate Russia!!!
So true, they invaded in 1918 to, as that racist thug and mass murderer churchill said “Strangle bolshevism in it’s cradle”.
English caused mass starvation during the civil war when they withheld food supplies that were paid for , and without our weapons, army and help the racist monsters of the White guard could not have fought against the people.
Stalins forced collectivization only happened because the british threatened to invade again in 1929.
The Brits re-colonized the USA during/after the Civil war and finished the coup in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Banking Act. Along with the income tax, IRS, and property taxes. All in the same year.
The only elections the anglosaxon controlled so called West respects are the elections they control.
“afganistan”
By what right are the british english coward troops are in afgansitan? 
Even after the ouster of Taliban the then govt. of afgansitan(installed by west) refused to allow the british troops to enter and stay in Afghanistan. But british pressure on America made sure that british troops were allowed there in Kabul. 
Since then coward british English troops many times bribed Taliban with money pleading with Taliban not to attack british troops_the implication being that other nato troops can be attacked.!
Mind you it was the british who created Taliban in the first place where ever is rotten smell you find the English rotten scumbags!

Posted by: Sam | Apr 11 2024 20:25 utc | 126

@Canuck
The English strategy is to involve others like usa and even Europeans to destabilise other nations through any means so that leader of such nations will flee with stolen money to london on which depends the money laundering economy of enlgand –real pirate which must be killed now.
The strategy has always been to make countries unstable and ungovernable. Subjected to internal/external conflict/aggression till they are weakened to accept handing over effective power, control to the new world criminals. You only have to look at the template being used in various countries in the world,
“Nato”
There is a confusion among many that USA uses Nato exert her influence in Europe. In fact USA does not need nato . But that entity is needed by a third rate country which after second world war found herself without real power so nato was created by that country to keep Germans down and Russians out using American arms and money.. Since early 90s that same country manoeuvred to keep Nato alive and install her stooges in European commission like british spy barrasso and English pirate witch cathertine ashton and many more inside European beaurocracy to make Europe follow one and only one policy to be dictated by that same country.
Name of the evil country? Of course it is england the centre of money laundering and all spying in the world and most evil entity in the history of world.
For Russia the easiest way to tackle the problem is to support Scottish independence because that would good for scots and it would ruin england and her position in the world. Scots don’t like parasitical existence as English lead so once Russia discloses how england is sitting on black box and not saying anything(after all hue and cry within 24 hours of Malaysian plane crash) that will show to world and scots how low lifes these English are. Russia should disclose barrasso talk with Putin aswell because that pest Barroso is an English spy who should be hanged for his war crimes just like war criminal blair must be publicly hanged AFTER BRUTAL BEATING after a fail trial for his war crimes.
Russia should hurry to annihilate the English empire of evil pirate pests.
fraud”
Don’t forget that Putin jailed Khodorkovsky, one of the many Oligarchs who had raped Russia’s resources after Glasnost, nationalised his oil and gas fields and paid off the debts of the Russian Federation in 5 years. Just before his arrest Khodorkovsky wired all his money to Jacob Rothschild who runs the corrupt City of London, without proper financial regulation, so that 60% of the UK GDP is fraud.
According to the IMF, the global elite are holding a total of 18 trillion dollars in offshore banking havens such as the british controlled the Cayman Islands.
England as pirate rogue state today and yesterday.
Just as Britain is the save heaven for all kinds of wanted top political and financial criminals.

Posted by: Sam | Apr 11 2024 20:27 utc | 127

@ canuck | Apr 11 2024 17:29 utc | 67
it sounds as though you are having a conversation with yourself ( and in a derogatory manner too), as opposed to speaking directly to posters here… not sure how well that goes over here, but it doesn’t work for me.. cheers..
@ oldhippie | Apr 11 2024 19:32 utc | 111
thanks… do you have any conclusions to make on what this portends for ukraine at this point?

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2024 20:27 utc | 128

Russia is not liberating Ukraine. Russia is imposing its will on Ukraine, on a part of Ukro population.
Some would like it, some not, but the victory in a war means just that.
And that is normal, that was always like that, there shall always be so.
The Russian army is learning that it must have no compassion for the enemy.
USA, Israel, EU countries are good teachers.

Posted by: vargas | Apr 11 2024 20:27 utc | 129

The global money laundering system Britain put in place as its colonies dwindled is the core element of its new Empire. It consists of a string of tax havens around the world operating with London [ Images ] as a global hub. The system now caters to all sorts of criminals, ranging from super-rich tax evaders and corporate bigwigs hiding the proceeds of mispricing of trade to mafiosi engaged in garden variety organised crime.
The tax haven system washes an estimated $2 trillion annually into the “legitimate” world economy. According to a recent report from Washington-based Global Financial Integrity, an NGO headed by a former World Bank economist, it also drained about $6 trillion out of poor countries over the last decade. Adding up the estimates made by a number of experts indicates that the total of illicit assets in tax havens is some $30 trillion, double the GDP of the United States.
China’s main credit rating agency – Dagong – argues that the U.S. economy is actually much closer to $5 than $15 trillion:In the components of the U.S. GDP in 2009, the financial services sector accounted for 21.4% while the real economy sector accounted for 65%. The total output value of the U.S. financial services industry is composed of two major parts: one is the transferred production value, most of which comes from value distribution of participating in international production. Another part is the inflated value originated from credit innovation, which belongs to bubble value. In addition, due to the high economic financialization, more than half of the profits in the real economy come from the returns of financial activities. If we exclude the factor of virtual economy, the U.S. actual GDP is about 5 trillion U.S. dollars in 2009, per capita GDP about $ 15,000. Meanwhile, the total domestic consumption was 10.0 trillion U.S. dollars and government expenditure was 4.5 trillion U.S. dollars. The production capacity of real value in the national economy is the material base to arrange social distribution and consumption. As the U.S. government arranges its budget according to the GDP including the virtual value, its revenue must fall short of its expenditure, so the socialization and normalization of debts will exacerbate the environment of economic development. It is predicted that the average real GDP per year of the United States will not reach 6 trillion U.S. dollar and per capita GDP will be less than 20,000 in the coming 3-5 years.(Dagong said in 2010: “The US is insolvent and faces bankruptcy as a pure debtor nation”. So the ratings war is ongoing. )
you are dumb enough to trust the england and usa then you deserve what you get —– the only way to deal with the u s is to be more treacherous and much stronger — the anglo loves to beat up suckers and weaklings.

Posted by: Sam | Apr 11 2024 20:28 utc | 130

Honzo | Apr 11 2024 19:13 utc | 103
US is waging war against Russia quite easily and as the likes of Graham are proud to say “without a single American dying”.
The only thing that will prevent it from doing similar in the Asia pacific is financial collapse.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 20:16 utc | 124
The financial collapse can be indefinably postponed by printing money.

Posted by: vargas | Apr 11 2024 20:28 utc | 131

october 14, 2013
When the Brits Came Close to Using Chemical Weapons in World War II
Churchill’s Poison Gas Stockpile
by PATRICK COCKBUR
Anglosaxon propaganda by war criminal chuchill types like Ergo: Stalin = Hitler. Funny how Stalin, who allegedly devoured infants for breakfast during 30 long years, could see his country’s population, wealth, and technical achievements grow so incredibly fast.
To summarise: If Russia is to survive, her leaders and her people will have to do what USSR under Stalin did 70 years ago. To wit, smash the West’s mad dogs for all the world to see.
The Modus operandi of usa and england—
It’s true that the USAand england are rouge, outlaw natios.. The whole world knows its tricks: USA with English mafia pressures a nation into giving up its weapons – – USA and british media smears nation on a lie – – – USA gathers other bully nations and the pimp, Nato, to beat up the weaponless nation- – – -USAwith advise from england installs a puppet president – – -USAand english gangster military steals resources.
Democracy is an imposture and a delusion”…GB Shaw in 1916!

Posted by: Sam | Apr 11 2024 20:29 utc | 132

Mark2 | Apr 11 2024 20:24 utc | 125 “Anyone know what effects this latest attack on the generators has had on the railways ?”
A diesel train was hit on a bridge yesterday or the day before. I guess some parts are de-energized, other parts of the rail system may still be electric though other than the diesel train getting hit I haven’t seen much about the rail system.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 20:30 utc | 133

US is waging war against Russia quite easily

Is that what you call having your proxy forces ..who happen to be equipped with your ‘donated’ hardware…annihilated?
Maerica is trying but failing to wage effective war against Russia. She has absolutely no fucking capacity to do so against China.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 11 2024 20:32 utc | 134

The financial collapse can be indefinably postponed by printing money.
Posted by: vargas | Apr 11 2024 20:28 utc | 131

You’re a genius. Any other’simple’ solutions for intractable strategic problems?
Oh I forgot, you’re the ‘Russia is weak, noone afraid’ sort of discount brand Shadowbanned dude.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 11 2024 20:34 utc | 135

Thanks Peter
Should hopefully mess up troop movments and amo replenishment.
Its looking like a rout.
Cheers

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2024 20:35 utc | 136

Honzo | Apr 11 2024 19:13 utc | 103
US is waging war against Russia quite easily and as the likes of Graham are proud to say “without a single American dying”.
The only thing that will prevent it from doing similar in the Asia pacific is financial collapse.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 20:16 utc | 124
Are you suggesting that the US has a secret stockpile of its latest weapons systems and ammunition that it neither needs for its own military or is willing to send to Ukraine? The arsenal of democracy can’t keep up with demand in Ukraine, so where are the arms going to come from for whatever proxy you have in mind? NONE of them can sustain a war of aggression against China for more than a few weeks. China has the equipment, manpower a currently available force structure to effectively smash ROK, Japan, Philippines, and India as viable aggressors all at the same time. India can’t get over the mountains, Japan and ROK will fall apart when the first missile lands on their territory, and the Philippines will have another revolution. Taiwan? That’s a joke, right?
US cannot fight China directly, it cannot arm effective proxies, and it is unlikely that it can find any proxies to arm for aggression vs China. Are Ozzies signing up for that? Five Eyes is one thing, but actual military confrontation with China is well beyond Australia’s capabilities.
So, what does that leave? Piracy on the high seas- disruption of shipping to and from China, at a relatively safe distance. Sadly the US is just as vulnerable to such things- more so, really, because its industrial base is largely in China, and the US has no Russia to rely on for resources. Also, BRI has created thousands of miles of new land transport corridors that the US cannot easily interdict.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 11 2024 20:41 utc | 137

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 11 2024 20:34 utc | 135
The same vargas posted this (89):

The attacks on Ukro electric infrastructure are tge first sign that the people in Kremlin are begining to understand the nature of this war. This is a very good move. By full destruction of electrical network in Ukraine, Russia can fotce millions to move to EU. Russia must make Ukrainian population and EU population to suffer. It is not nice but that can end tgecwar faster.

Last I checked, and as pointed out by many others here, Russia isn’t a terrorist nation like the USA, UK and Israel are. Anyone got a better rebuttal than mine?

Posted by: joey_n | Apr 11 2024 20:44 utc | 138

canuck @ 1

Like Churchill said of his Middle East Generals in 1941 can also be said of current Ukrainian Generals: “Lions being led by donkeys”

Zelensky qualifies as a donkey, in the case of Macron and Sunak more like miniature horses.
unimperator @ 3

Russia acknowledges Nato is coming to fight in Ukraine and is preparing a welcome for Nato. That means Nato can’t use any Ukrainian infrastructure or utilities. Russia is removing any potential advantage from Nato, and stacking all possible advantages for itself.

Yup.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 11 2024 20:51 utc | 139

I believe Nato has got a tiger by the tail. They can’t let Russia win, they can’t make Russia surrender.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 11 2024 19:48 utc | 119
What NATO? NATO is a tool of US control over Europe. The Europeons are going to suffer, but the US can walk away from this war and is, in practice, doing so. The current theatrics are more about partisan politics and upcoming elections in the US than about Ukraine. That’s why the US loves proxy wars- it can abandon them whenever it wants to. Look at the whole post-Maidan course of Ukraine- the US epitomizing ‘drive it like you stole it.’ They stole it, and now that they’ve run it off the highway and wrapped it around a tree, they’re skedaddling.
The situation of the Europeon is not that of the US. They have lost the war in Ukraine, because they did not recognize that they were the targets of the US, not Russia. Now their militaries are shown to be toothless, their economies are collapsing, their high tech manufacturing base is shut down and being shipped to the US, they have no reliable energy sources- not even nuke-oriented France, whom the US conveniently allowed rebels to run out of their uranium mines. The US has certainly orchestrated the Maidan, the scrapping of the Iran nuke deal, the triggering of the SMO, the sanctions war ‘against Russia’ which has only hurt Europe, and the 7 October events in Gaza whose predictable effect has been the effective closure of the Red Sea route from the East and M East to Europe, but which has little or no impact on the US except to increase the costs of its erstwhile ‘competitors.’ Did the US instigate the coup in Niger? I don’t know, but it certainly broke the last cheap energy conduit to Europe, and US behavior in the aftermath of the coup suggests that they thought they had a deal with the new Junta going in. If so, it seems the US has been played, if not, then the State Department put the wrong bozos in charge of that bus.
The leaders of France and Germany thought that they controlled NATO and the EU, and at one point they had enough control of the EU mechanism to exploit the peripheral members, such as Greece, Spain, Ireland, the Balkan members and Poland to the advantage of French financiers and German industrialists, but the SMO was launched by the US to show them who is really the boss. None of the Europeon nations can do anything independently against Russia, the US is not going to go toe-to-toe with Russia, so NATO can’t do anything substantive against Russia, and the EU leadership are fundamentally American puppets.
The US is fine with Russia winning, although they won’t say so publicly. That’s not what this war was about to the PTB. The Europeons are too weak to do anything without massive US backing, which is not forthcoming, and which I doubt they believe in anymore anyway.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 11 2024 21:02 utc | 140

but actual military confrontation with China is well beyond Australia’s capabilities.
Posted by: Honzo | Apr 11 2024 20:41 utc | 137
Fronting up to Russia is beyond Europe’s capabilities. Any shooting will be a naval and air war over the sea. US hasn’t had to supply ammo for that sort of war either to Ukraine or Israel. Israel only requires dumb bombs which aren’t much US in the sort of war that will occur here.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 21:05 utc | 141

… naval and air war over the sea…
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 21:05 utc | 141
From: https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/20510923

BRUSSELS, April 11. /TASS/. The French Navy is preparing for possible hostilities against the background of an increased threat of armed conflict. This statement was made by the commander of the aircraft carrier combat group of the French Navy, Rear Admiral Jacques Mallar.
According to the French military commander, the goals of training the country’s Navy have changed significantly. If earlier the Navy trained to conduct operations to protect order in maritime space, now France is preparing to fight the enemy who wants to “crush” it. “We are now preparing for other missions, in particular for what we call a high-intensity war,” Mallar said in an interview with the European newspaper Politico. “A naval battle is becoming more and more likely,” he added.
The Rear Admiral noted that now the Western Navy needs to adapt to new circumstances and to “more unrestrained rivals.” According to Politico, the French aircraft carrier combat group plans to start a mission in the Mediterranean Sea in the coming days. According to the publication, France is the only EU country that has a nuclear aircraft carrier on board which nuclear weapons can be located. We are talking about the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.
The nuclear-peated aircraft carrier “Charles de Gaulle” was launched in 1994. It can carry up to 40 Rafal fighters, as well as several helicopters. The length of the aircraft carrier is 261 meters, its displacement is 42.5 thousand tons. The crew is about 2 thousand people.

Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Apr 11 2024 21:11 utc | 142

US public opinion for support of Israel remains strong. Not so with Ukraine. IMO, this US Administration, or for that matter any subsequent administration, will never be able to extricate itself from Israel.
Posted by: Tango Victor | Apr 11 2024 19:41 utc | 115
If by the public, you mean the corrupt politicians that Ziolobby has bought, that’s quite true. The broader American public is losing its enthusiasm for Israel very rapidly. There is also a large scale narrative change underway, lead by Alt Right commentators that is quite anti-Israeli and even anti-Jewish, and it has a lot of traction. On the left, younger people are pro-Palestine and very anti-Israel.
The Biden crime family cannot change course, and the visible powers and ‘thought leaders’ tend to be bought by, or blackmailed by, the Israel Lobby. However the mechanisms of the blackmail- like Epstein and Diddy- are being broke, and the people changing the narrative are fine with the old swamp creatures going down with them.
A re-emergence of ‘traditional American values’ is in the offing and all the media and institutional support recently devoted wokist disruption, globalism and corporatism will soon be promoting this ‘American Rennaissance.’ It’s part of the shell game of PTB masking.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 11 2024 21:13 utc | 143

It starting to look a fairly sure thing US has dumped Europe and is circling the wagons consisting of the allies it needs to attack china. The Island chain thing, India and whatever else it can rope in in the region.
[and]
The only thing that will prevent it from doing similar in the Asia pacific is financial collapse.

Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 20:16 utc | 79, 124
Honzo | Apr 11 2024 19:13 utc | 103
Mostly agree with Honzo: The bigger problem is the lack of Asian proxies willing to start (& be destroyed in) a war against China. If anyone is stupid enough, it’s the Philippines – but I doubt it. Washington and Tokio are wooing Marco Jr., letting him sit at the table with the big boys until he thinks they’d actually have his back in a potential conflict with China…
The US is reducing Chinese imports – a slow process, but “wartime” conditions/ policies could greatly accelerate it. EUrope’s transatlantic exports are growing fast, with German machinery now rebuilding US industry (after doing the same in China). Reminds a lot of WW2: German occupation of western Europe served the purpose of broadening its economic base for the “real war” against the USSR.
Ukraine was always going to be “the Europeans’ problem”. From a US/UK standpoint, all that matters is destroying EU-Russia cooperation for decades to come. Strategic mission accomplished – since when do Washington or London bother what happens to some “shithole country” half a world away?
Matches the timeframe of my own prediction, everything is pointing to end of May…
ossi | Apr 11 2024 18:38 utc | 92
Zet | Apr 11 2024 18:55 utc | 97
Indeed. Zelensky’s legal powers end on May 21st, Assange has his next hearing on May 20th, and something tells me the next US budget deadline won’t be long after (just guessing here, I admit). Where will these NATO troops be moved to once ‘Steadfast Defender’ exercises end, I wonder…?
The financial collapse can be indefinably postponed by printing money.
vargas | Apr 11 2024 20:28 utc | 131
Only true for net export countries. (Also c.c.: All money is ‘printed’.)

Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 21:23 utc | 144

smuks | Apr 11 2024 21:23 utc | 144
I was wrong about the ‘US budget deadline’ guess. There’s none coming up in summer.
(Got so used to seeing one short-term stopgap budget after the other…)

Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 21:30 utc | 145

snake | Apr 11 2024 15:03 utc | 14
Ukraine, from the outset, was designated a PPP (power projection point) for getting at Russia. U.S. thinktankery has been consistent on this point. Russia, with its fabulous natural resources is the objective.

Posted by: RJPJR | Apr 11 2024 21:35 utc | 146

@Angelo | Apr 11 2024 19:11 utc | 102
You think Winston Churchill wanted to secure the Bosporos and Gallipoli for Britain.
Jim Macgregor and Gerry Docherty think Churchill and Kitchener deliberately lost Gallipoli but in a way that made it possible for them to make Russias Samsonov believe that they tried but failed and had many casualties. This outrageous plot was aimed to make the Russians continue fighting on the eastern front instead of making a separate peace with Germany and then grab the straits for Russia.
Prolonging The Agony
How The Anglo-American Establishment Deliberately Extended WWI by Three-and-a-Half Years
https://www.amazon.com/Prolonging-Agony-Anglo-American-Three-Half/dp/1634241568
But then Britain managed to make the Tsar abdicate in the belief that the republican government taking over would receive the weapons that were denied to the Tsar. Alfred Milner twice refused.
https://americans4innovation.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-200-year-information-war-uk-us.html
“Czar Nicholas abdicated just five weeks later on Mar. 15, 1917 due to Milner’s evident meddling in Russia’s internal politics and refusal to provide the aid already approved by the British Parliament.
Conclusion: The British Pilgrims Society destroyed the Czar. Lenin was merely their cardboard cutout.”
This is qualitatively a confirmation about Milner’s refusal however I didnt find the part where they said Milner twice refused.
The text may have been updated since I first read it
or it is on some other page.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 11 2024 21:35 utc | 147

/cheep
Keee-rahyst, embittered pedantry took an apropos amusing quote from Churchill and spun it out this far? Will you guys ever let anything go? It’s a funny comment connecting in simile how pathetic those in charge in Ukraine are, not the declaration of British Empire resurrection.
Unclench your sphincters already and be less blackened and embittered than your morning coffee. Damn! >:( It’s Spring, enjoy something.
/cheep
/poop
There, I made a Churchill. Keep fighting over him. :)~
/cheep cheep
/flies away

Posted by: titmouse | Apr 11 2024 21:36 utc | 148

smuks | Apr 11 2024 21:23 utc | 144
Prior to 2022, I did not think Europe would go to where it is now. Here in oz, too many military and politicians go starry eyed when they look at the US. To them, US is still the cold war military power. These people don’t live in any semblance of reality.
I have watched all the people around me change with the last eight to ten years of propaganda in all the media. They are fools.
If this kicks off like the war against Russia, the first thing that will happen will be sanctions from hell against China. That will put Australia economically in somewhat the same position as Germany.
Its one thing to look at this from a rational perspective, but the people that get into positions of power within the vassal states are not rational people.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 21:40 utc | 149

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 21:40 utc | 148
The US ‘war machine’ will grind to a halt pretty quickly after trade with China is seized up.
Because most of the sub assembled parts for US ‘smart hi-tech weapons’ come from China, and are assembled in the US. So they advertise them as made in the US when actually the components are all made in China.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 11 2024 21:49 utc | 150

unimperator | Apr 11 2024 21:49 utc | 149
US sanctioned a number of goods it purchases from Russia. Once the Europeans were committed, US then gave ‘waivers’ to US companies on a number of these items to help reduce the hit on its economy. US was still buying Russian fertilizer and Russian oil. It sanctioned a lot of individuals but although US Russia trade is not particularly large, the US did a few things to mitigate any economic hit.
The one thing I don’t think they can do again is draw on the strategic oil reserve. Last I read, they still had not started to refill it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 22:05 utc | 151

The Ukrainian and European Union electricity grids are linked and synchronized.
Russia destroyed Tripilska Thermal Power Plant – 1.8 TW capacity gone.
An event like that has to stand out in network frequency logs, and cross-border power transmission.
Where could one find that information?

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 11 2024 22:09 utc | 152

Honzo 25
Many thanks to Honzo for his interesting development.
I am just wandering what « French financiers » have so much to win with a prolonged war in Ukraine.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 11 2024 22:13 utc | 153

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pNrIAry0F4
Dima’s latest. Minimal map changes. Berdichi still has not been 100% cleared (see minute 14-15).

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 11 2024 22:26 utc | 154

Honzo @143
Yes, agree with your characterization. But does this mean you agree with me that the US active, overt support for Ukraine war will end before it’s support for Israel war will end?

Posted by: Tango Victor | Apr 11 2024 22:44 utc | 155

Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 21:40 utc | 148
Honzo | Apr 11 2024 21:02 utc | 140
Europe’s – and especially Germany’s – economic situation isn’t half as bad as media paint it.
Everyone’s been predicting a “deep economic crisis” for the last 2 years, but it’s not materializing. Yes, energy (mostly gas) imports got more expensive. Big deal for a country with 300$bn export surplus – it’s poor countries relying on LNG for cooking, heating etc. who’re really in trouble.
I was surprised how swiftly and smoothly Russian imports were (partly) substituted. Some very energy intensive industries are shrinking – they were overblown anyway, and make more sense in places with endless supply of energy & raw materials. EUrope’s economy is being restructured to supply US/UK, replacing Chinese products (and getting paid in USTs). Which also means the US won’t want EU economy to collapse. I just hope we’ll rebuild them to one day stand on their own feet…
The most pressing issue here is a shortage of skilled (but also less-skilled) workers.
And if interest rates stay that high, they’ll become a problem, too.
Honzo – France gets uranium from various countries, Kazakhstan tops the list iirc.
Niger will still supply them, just at higher prices. The real worry is that summers are becoming so dry, they have to switch off half their NPPs. And they won’t build many new reactors to replace decommissioned ones – simply too expensive.
Why EU leaders act the way they do vis-a-vis Russia & Ukraine is a rather complicated discussion.
They’re not stupid (except Baltics maybe), I can assure you. They know this hurts Europe more than anyone else, but realpolitik has many constraints. E.g. keeping a disunited EU from falling apart, and a declining hegemon from ‘leashing out’ furiously.
‘Take on Russia’…of course Europe can’t, neither is it interested in doing so.
Europe’s power isn’t military, but economic.

Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 22:44 utc | 156

ossi | Apr 11 2024 18:38 utc | 92. + numerous posts this thread.
There are around 140,000 NATO soldiers …… along the Belarusian…Baltic…Polish Ukraine borders… | … around May 20th, 24, – EVERYONE will be ready at the same time.…
Yep.
When’s that “peace summit” in Switzerland? How many countries attending ?
Could this be a “Coalition of the Willing 2.0” to declare war or a SMO on Russia-Belarus?
What are all those Ukraine-Other “security guarantees” that’s are being signed every week about? Possibly a workaround way to engage EU-NATO countries without it being a full NATO engagement.
~~
De-energising Ukraine makes a U$NATO move against Russia in May>summer a logistical FUBAR. No one can cope without their mobile phones uncharged.
~~
Also, de-energising Ukraine puts a strain on the entire EU energy system. EU was sucking cheap electricity FROM Ukraine, they won’t be keen on providing expensive EU electrons TO Ukraine.
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At back of my mind…. Russia’s gas supply to Europe contracts expire end 2024. What negotiations are happening for new contracts?
No contracts, no gas. Oh. And there’s (thank the U$), conveniently, no NS2.
——
Moldova, pre sloSMO, failed to pay for gas they’d consumed. They got cut off, until EU stepped in. Moldova might want a make things difficult for Transnistria and Gagauzia, but they may need to factor in that most of Moldovan gas was stored (cheaply) in Ukraine, but it git kaboomed yesterday.
(Can’t quickly re-find the telegram link, and have things to do now, so might find tonight.)

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2024 22:49 utc | 157

… It is one thing to achieve each of these things individually, doing them so their impacts converge at the same time is masterful planning and execution.
Posted by: Honzo | Apr 11 2024 19:45 utc | 117

Excellent.
Should keep this post on hand for rebuttal to the incessant “…but meh no land advance”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2024 23:03 utc | 158

Disappointed with Putin’s decision to put off neutralizing Nazi energy facilities and thermal power plants until the winter was over.
I have been saying since 2022 to neutralize Nazi powerplants and petroleum facilities. It should have been done 2 years ago.
The military should be free to de-Nazify Ukraine as they see fit without political interference.
Nazis and energy shouldn’t go together. One or the other must go, unless both.

Posted by: Jason | Apr 11 2024 23:07 utc | 159

Ukrained verb
Used to describe nation states that have been made barely functioning/erased by Empire.
Holy cow (insertcountry) just got Ukrained.
Ukrained will be used as a verb in the near future.

Posted by: Tannenhoiser | Apr 11 2024 23:08 utc | 160

Salaam,Canuk@31,you and Millard forgot to add,Churchill was very insincere and a liar- was instrumental in bringing about WW 2,via lies – where millions of innocents perished.Intentionally caused the deaths of millions of Indians via faming -by directly ordering that wheat not be delivered to India.Stole the works of others and passed it off as his plagiarism! Was a flasher,when inebriated would expose himself.Wrote a history of Europe and an autobiography,yet never once mentioned the holocaust.Was adamantly against any European Jewsish refugees entering “Great Britain”.Now that guy’s you lauding,go read Irving,on Winston.

Posted by: 4q8 | Apr 11 2024 23:08 utc | 161

Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 22:05 utc | 150
US sanctioned tarriffed a number of goods it purchases from Russia. China. Once the EuropeansAustralians were committed, US then gave ‘waivers’ to US companies ………
Aussie beef, aussie wine, just two examples

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2024 23:09 utc | 162

Spare no non-nuclear powerplant in Nazi Ukraine.
Thereafter go after their dams and bridges.
That will lead to a swift surrender of New Berlin (Kiev) saving a countless number of lives.

Posted by: Jason | Apr 11 2024 23:10 utc | 163

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 11 2024 22:09 utc | 151
that should be gigawatts and not terawatts.

Posted by: dan of steele | Apr 11 2024 23:12 utc | 164

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 11 2024 19:32 utc | 111
Only reliable grid power works in the long run. Should power be lost and cooling stop major accidents occur quickly.

So one reason RF is not totally destroying Ukie power might be to prevent irremediable environmental catastrophe.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 11 2024 23:14 utc | 165

Genes play a predominant role in determining the nature of the offspring. Australia presents us with a controlled gene pool.
Posted by: Nasir | Apr 11 2024 15:08 utc | 168
*** My shitposter management choices (as an Australian):
Ignore stupidity;
Disabuse the falsity nicely;
Harshly abuse the idiocy behind it.
Oh jeezuz, save me!
That would have to be one of THE MOST ignorant and cockamaimey statements I have ever read. You preceeded that with the logic that “generally speaking, all Europeans are stupid and evil”. So you’d already declared your abject bigotry. But no, you went on to even greater stupidity.
So your logic is that genetics make nations/regions stupid and evil. And then you infer that an island nation of 27 million people, where 27.6 per cent of the population in 2023 were born overseas, is a great “controlled gene pool”. Oh Ffs.
Ethnic Heritage, 2022:
English (33%)
Australian (29.9%)
Irish (9.5%)
Scottish (8.6%)
Chinese (5.5%)
Italian (4.4%)
German (4%)
Indian (3.1%)
Aboriginal (2.9%)[N 3]
Greek (1.7%)
Filipino (1.6%)
Dutch (1.5%)
Vietnamese (1.3%)
Lebanese (1%)
Polish (0.8%)
Fyi, Australia is one of THE MOST ethnically diverse nations on the planet. Through 260 years of cross-racial marriage, it would have to be one of the LEAST “controlled gene pools”.
Oh fuck me. You’re just too stupid to waste time with.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 11 2024 23:19 utc | 166

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2024 14:59 utc | 13
When do the transmission lines from the EU to Ukraine get hit?
Hopefully it doesnt come to that. I dont think that would be propper just now. It will just give Russaphobia an edge in numbers.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 11 2024 23:20 utc | 167

Melaleuca | Apr 11 2024 23:09 utc | 161
Yep. Destroyed the wine industry for a bit. Not sure how they are doing now. I saw something about them starting to sell wine into China again though how much and how long it will last for I don’t know. Crayfish, not as big an industry but their export market was suddenly gone.
The Abbot Morrison crew where a bit of a wrecking ball. The Labor government seems to be trying to mend that but regardless, they will do what the US tells them to do when US makes its move against China in the region.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 23:20 utc | 168

Melaleuca | Apr 11 2024 23:09 utc | 161
Yep. Destroyed the wine industry for a bit. Not sure how they are doing now. I saw something about them starting to sell wine into China again though how much and how long it will last for I don’t know. Crayfish, not as big an industry but their export market was suddenly gone.
The Abbot Morrison crew where a bit of a wrecking ball. The Labor government seems to be trying to mend that but regardless, they will do what the US tells them to do when US makes its move against China in the region.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 23:21 utc | 169

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2024 14:59 utc | 13
When do the transmission lines from the EU to Ukraine get hit?
Hopefully it doesnt come to that. I dont think that would be propper just now. It will just give Russaphobia an edge in numbers.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 11 2024 23:21 utc | 170

Melaleuca
Something I should have added. Trump pulled out of the intermediate missile treaty and restarted production of them. The was a few articles in the media on how that was progressing over the next few years. Australia signed some joint development agreement for missiles at the same time. I assumed Australia intends having intermediate range missiles in the top end pointed at China.
I believe someone in the Russian leadership said something about that just the other day. Russian does seem to have solid intel that this is the case. Can’t remember where I saw it now.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 23:30 utc | 171

“Neither Arestovich nor other commentators in Ukraine acknowledge that the Russian campaign to de-energize the country is a direct consequence of Ukrainian attacks on infrastructure in Russia.” @b

I don’t swallow this at all.
1. It may APPEAR so.
2. We might like to believe it.
3. But imo, Russia/Putin does not unreasonably do revenge. It acts in a timely and controlled fashion to employ battlefield tactical advantage towards its SMO goals.
Raising Ukie infrastructure would have been on the cards, well planned, according to intended troop movements at this time of year. Yes, it sends a retaliatory message to Ukraine and the west, but was more likely TRIGGERED by advantageous ground progress — ie, recent severe AFU AD attrition. Russia also occassionaly telegraphs that it is far from running out of ammo and missiles, and to showcase their tech and bombing superiority. This is meant to serve as an intimidatory vector to, perhaps, quicken AFU surrender.
People tend to forget that RF is thinking 2, 5, 10, 20 years down the track about what they want to do with “their new” Ukraine. I often ponder the reconstruction phase of the 4-8 oblasts that RF will one day own. What they are destroying now, in both Ukraine’s east and west must be part of some future vision, and far less to do with retaliation revenge. Iow, it’s big picture bombing, not just petty payback.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 11 2024 23:50 utc | 172

Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 23:30 utc | 170
Aussie military strategy is rather puzzling.
Nuclear subs, strategic missiles – for a country of barely 27 million? With huge territory & coastline to protect? Doesn’t make a lot of sense…

Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 23:51 utc | 173

Posted by: Linda Wood | Apr 11 2024 18:26 utc | 90
Nice analysis. Fully agreed, Ukraine is deeply symbolic of the RF/EU socioeconomic policy divide.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 11 2024 23:56 utc | 174

Peter AU 1 @ 167:

“… The [Abbott] Morrison crew [were] a bit of a wrecking ball …”

Under Tony Abbott as PM, Australia lost its car manufacturing industry due in no small part to the Abbott govt’s refusal to subsidise the automotive industry more than past Australian govts had been doing, even as other countries (Germany for example) were increasing subsidies for theirs after the 2008 global financial crisis.
Walking away from Holden: Abbott finishes what Hewson started
ABBOTT BRINGS ON END OF THE AUTO INDUSTRY IN AUSTALIA
Tony Abbott’s bizarre views on the car industry

“… A little history might help explain why Abbott’s comments so rankle.
It was his treasurer, Joe Hockey who in 2013 challenged Holden to leave Australia, saying: “Either you are here, or you are not.”
Holden was asking the government what assistance would be available after 2016 when the then car industry plan expired, and Hockey was refusing to give any information that might help with the company’s forward planning.
It is true that the previous Labour government had already hammered a nail in the industry’s coffin when it failed to react to a 25 per cent cut in the value of the Japanese Yen.
Australia was entitled to take retaliatory action against Japan under world trade rules, and Brazil did so.
Labor took no action, rendering manufacturing the small Cruise in Adelaide uneconomic as it was swamped by lower-priced and higher specification Japanese cars, especially the Mazda3.
It was this that caused Holden to seek information on the future of the car plan, and which sparked Hockey’s ultimatum which saw GM withdraw from Australia followed by Toyota.
While neither government comes out of this well, it was Abbott and Hockey’s pig headedness, and obvious disdain for the car industry that precipitated what was a great loss to Australian manufacturing …

A bit of a wrecking ball? Abbott utterly smashed car manufacturing in Australia with his refusal to listen to General Motors (who owned Holden) and Toyota.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 11 2024 23:59 utc | 175

Canuck @ 31:
What you demonstrate as examples of Winston Churchills’ heroism or bravery, others would see as foolhardiness, stupidity and deliberately aggressive behaviour, all of which might point to an egotistical and vainglorious character.
From that link you provided about Churchil the polo player:

…Polo, to Churchill, was approached as if a battleground more than a recreation. He played with aggression, combativeness and audacity. Bloodshed through to death, of both rider and horse, were aspects of the game, creating a warzone-like atmosphere in which, as proved later in his life, the politician would also thrive…

I’m not sure that that’s an appropriate attitude for a wartime political leader, to act as though everything s/he encounters is a warzone, and to prefer aggression and unnecessary risk-taking leading to more violence and death than is necessary, at the expense of other strategies and decisions that minimise violence and slaughter.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 12 2024 0:17 utc | 176

Refinnejenna | Apr 11 2024 23:59 utc | 174
I have often thought of that in regards offshoring our manufacturing. Trade surplus with China around 50 billion. Some revenue from that should have gone to supporting a manufacturing / tech base, and the big one there was the car industry.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 0:19 utc | 177

Aussie military strategy is rather puzzling. Nuclear subs, strategic missiles – for a country of barely 27 million? With huge territory & coastline to protect? Doesn’t make a lot of sense…
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 23:51 utc | 172
Please enjoy this excellent explanation:
https://youtu.be/sgspkxfkS4k?si=SyvuOQDy8dSv_9B7

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 0:26 utc | 178

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2024 15:58 utc | 33
@ Honzo | Apr 11 2024 15:39 utc | 25
nice analysis honzo… i can’t discount your analysis either..
I thoroughly agree James.
IMO Honzo is among the few consistently objective and generally “sane” contributers to this site. His analysis is invariably worth scrutinising carefully and taking seriously.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 12 2024 0:30 utc | 179

Oldhippie @ 111
That 737 analogy was a nice touch.
Honzo, many thanks for your views. Although I doubt the US has anything to be happy about.
James, he lost me at “80 000 sacrifices ove 4 days”
No one mentioned Nebenzya’s latest statement in the UN, “Very soon the only topic for any international meetings on Ukraine will be the unconditional surrender…..”

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 12 2024 0:46 utc | 180

The same vargas posted this (89):
>>>The attacks on Ukro electric infrastructure are tge first sign that the people in Kremlin are begining to understand the nature of this war. This is a very good move. By full destruction of electrical network in Ukraine, Russia can fotce millions to move to EU. Russia must make Ukrainian population and EU population to suffer. It is not nice but that can end the war faster<<< Last I checked, and as pointed out by many others here, Russia isn't a terrorist nation like the USA, UK and Israel are. Anyone got a better rebuttal than mine? Posted by: joey_n | Apr 11 2024 20:44 utc | 138 I concluded long ago that Vargas is a bit simple. Not even smart enough to accept and ponder the greater wisdom compassionately showered by many upon his ignorance here, he still hasn't got the many unspoken suggestions to just fuck off and do some very simple back-research on the SMO, Russia, World History, Human Psychology, Geopolitics, and much more, before posting here. He's a truly confused and confusing Little Vegemite. Ref: In Australian idiomatic vernacular, there's a song with lyrics "We're happy Little Vegemites as bright as bright can be". But Vargas is clearly not one of them.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 0:51 utc | 181

Karlof1 @72
To Karlof’s observations regarding electricity sales to Europe, I would add that AFAIK, Russia has not attacked the lines themselves connecting UKR to Europe–and it is my belief that Europe, which was until recently a purchaser of UKR electricity, now sells it *to* UKR, increasing the energy load / costs / burden on Europe.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Apr 12 2024 0:56 utc | 182

thanks to everyone who responded.. to my question <="explain why NATO wants to support Ukraine, with or without the Russian SMO? " Posted by Snake | Apr 11 2024 15:03 utc | 14 <=IMO, none of the responses suggests a benefit to a NATO member government or to any domestic individual governed by a NATO member government? The benefit of war and chaos seems to inure to CORPORATIONS doing business in the foreign lands that experience war and chaos? Is it possible that this hot and cold war conflict in Ukraine could be resolved by negotiating a settlement directly with the heads of the corporations who hope to do business in Ukraine? Leave taming the nation states and their armies to the corporations that already control the behavior of their respective governments <= the private multi national corporations and their elite owners? How impossible would that be?

Posted by: snake | Apr 12 2024 0:59 utc | 183

Refinnejenna@175…you would have to provide a historical reference to where, in any Brit war or skirmish, a Brit officer applied any strategy or made any decision to minimize the violence and slaughter.
They would lead from the front, go out with the lads, would scare the crap out of the enlisted men as the Brit officers, good old Red Coats, would be dressed in full Battle Dress wearing their medals and insignia waving their riding crops and firing their side arm. Stood out like sore thumbs. Huge bonus target for the Germans. They lost upwards of six hundred Generals in WW1.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 12 2024 1:00 utc | 184

Aussie military strategy is rather puzzling. Nuclear subs, strategic missiles – for a country of barely 27 million? With huge territory & coastline to protect? Doesn’t make a lot of sense…
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 23:51 utc | 172
And for a real explanation:
Oz habitually brown-noses the US. There’s “our” Pine Gap — a US military base in the dead centre of our desert lands with the biggest Southern Hemisphere ICBM early warning comms and AD. Not to mention a nascent US naval base in Darwin; a raft of out of date US planes; and 1,043 McDonalds. Case solved.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 1:00 utc | 185

Suresh | Apr 12 2024 0:46 utc | 179
Zelensky’s term end around 20th may. Possibly Russia has some plans for around that time. With the losses at the front and so forth, public opinion in Ukraine appears to be changing regardless of propaganda. Added to that now is the loss of power generation. I’m not sure if the hits on the gas infrastructure affects Ukrainians directly – as in some areas getting gas turned off.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 1:01 utc | 186

According to the IMF, the global elite are holding a total of 18 trillion dollars in offshore banking havens such as the british controlled the Cayman Islands.
England as pirate rogue state today and yesterday.
Just as Britain is the save heaven for all kinds of wanted top political and financial criminals.
Posted by: Sam | Apr 11 2024 20:27 utc | 127
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Thanks.
Especially the mention of offshore havens.
In case any readers want to know more, please see the excellent documentary The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire.
Also explains how third world elites cream off their countries’ wealth and lock it away in offshore bank accounts.

Posted by: Jane | Apr 12 2024 1:22 utc | 187

Here is an indication of how much the UK cares about the people of Ukraine:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqlnxe5gweko
“Councillor asks to use Ukraine cash for dog mess”
Dog shit or Ukrainians, tough choice there for a Brit.

Posted by: billb | Apr 12 2024 1:29 utc | 188

#14 try us “exorbitant privilege”
its mainly about protecting the US dollar, to which the other fiat currencies of Europe, EU & UK and inc Japan are all connected.
General de Gaulle of France often referred to the US dollars’ (aka the us dollar system) in the 1960s
“exorbitant privilege”. (likewise european financial circles have echoed General de Gaulles synopsis down the years.
this implies a return to some form of honest money, such as a new so-called Bretton-Woods.
try Googling Bretton-Woods 3. (it sounds like the remake of some horror or other film, LOL)

Posted by: chris m | Apr 12 2024 1:30 utc | 189

The U.S. has said that it does not like the Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil facilities because they could lead to an increase in global gasoline prices which could lower president Biden’s chance for a re-election.
Only yesterday U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin again criticized such attacks:
US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Ukraine’s recent drone strikes on Russian oil refineries have a “knock-on effect” that could affect the global energy situation and suggested Kyiv focus on “tactical and operational targets” instead.
“Those attacks could have a knock-on effect in terms of the global energy situation. Ukraine is better served in going after tactical and operational targets that can directly influence the current fight,” Austin told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday, April 9, Bloomberg reported.

Austin’s comments are the latest confirmation of Washington’s position on Ukrainian drone strikes on Russian refineries, which first started circulating following a Financial Times (FT) article – citing unnamed officials – that said Washington had relayed wishes to Ukraine’s intelligence units to stop hitting Russian oil refineries for fear of rising crude prices and retaliation.

Lies, lies and more lies.
If you trust anything the Defence Secretary or the Financial Times say you are a fool and falling into a trap.
The Defence Secretary is lying – of course he is!
The Financial Times is lying – of course they are!
The US & Biden Administration are very happy for Ukraine to keep attacking Russian oil & gas refineries – that is the whole point of the War!
The Biden Administration would be delighted if Ukraine destroyed more of this infrastructure.
Don’t believe anything they say in public as they laugh behind closed doors about the lies they tell in public.

Posted by: Julian | Apr 12 2024 1:33 utc | 190

Resident
⚡️⚡️ ⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that now the air defense has the number of Patriot missiles left for several volleys, which is why they cover only the government quarter. The problem is so serious that in May we will not be able to shoot down even 20% of air targets.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 1:36 utc | 191

FWIW, the date 16 april may assume a significance of far greater than anybody can assume.
it’s the date of Julian Assanges final appeal (although it may be extended until 20 May)
its a political “event” (as is the US Presidential election) and these things often do move things beyond the purview
of their …..( here my control of the English language fails me)
political events do move markets and a lot of other things besides.

Posted by: chris m | Apr 12 2024 1:41 utc | 192

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 23:30 utc | 170
…Australia intends having intermediate range missiles in the top end pointed at China.……Can’t remember where I saw it now.
Probably abc.net.au … on a previous device I’d stored a U$ head military mouthpiece designating north-west Australia as a “lillypad” for U$ (aust) missiles into China.
IMVHO. The long-term plan, or de facto reality, will be the prising of Western Australia away from the Commonwealth to be “independent” in some form.
It’s got enough of everything (oil, gold, water, agriculture) to be it’s own “country”.
It lacks population, but that’s a bonus at the moment, as fewer people to coerce into agitating for independence. The number of U$ installations and the influence of the | Australian Strategic Policy Institute | ASPI at Edith Cowan Uni …. I’ve seen what precedes a color rev, and the foundations are well and truly being put in place in WA.
Also, knowing what I now know, I’m intrigued that the north-west WA (Kimberley) was mooted to be a “Jewish homeland” before it was decided to occupy“British” Palestine….
Edith Cowan Uni courses….
>…Security & Intelligence
We live in a world where threats to our way of life and to businesses or governments are becoming more frequent and sophisticated. We need to teach people like you the skills to protect critical and national infrastructure. So you can employ the latest security management techniques, whatever the threat level.
>…A unique study experience
A new agreement between ECU and the University of Portsmouth means you can study Cybercrime, Security and Intelligence in Perth and the UK and graduate with a unique dual degree. if that doesn’t screech 5eyes, you don’t drink at this bar enough
>…Courses
In the first year, you’ll study the core elements of terrorism, security and intelligence. This will prepare you for specialised studies in how to counter the terrorist threat, apply intelligence gathering techniques, think critically, analyse and understand criminal motivation.
You might be curious to click around on the Edith Cowan Uni website. Fascinating to see what’s up over there, where no one is paying much attention……

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 12 2024 2:30 utc | 193

Aussie military strategy is rather puzzling. Nuclear subs, strategic missiles – for a country of barely 27 million? With huge territory & coastline to protect? Doesn’t make a lot of sense…
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 23:51 utc | 172″
Aus is just a big chunk of land for US military use. Subs, strategic missiles, ISR facilities etc are for US purposes. Australia has never been sovereign in its military resources.
We buy/manufacture what the US/UK/IS dictates.
Occasionally, an AlP govt will try to negotiate tighter contract conditions, to include things of specific Australian benefit, including Aus$ payments tied to final acceptance on delivery. But also, ALP govts have wanted access to the technology so our Universities, engineers, professional class (instead of brain-draining overseas) companies, defence contractors, workforce etc can be prioritised not just in AUKUS projects, but also increase capacity in spin-off tech, industries and into other infrastructure projects.
A Conservative Oz govt would just go “where do I sign?”. And obsequiously offer above-and-beyond US desires 🙂
I dont think China sees Oz as a threat, just another US outpost being beefed up, by the US for the US, like Japan etc.

Posted by: Rain | Apr 12 2024 2:31 utc | 194

1. Australia has never been sovereign in its military resources.
2. I don’t think China sees Oz as a threat, just another US outpost being beefed up, by the US for the US, like Japan etc.
Posted by: Rain | Apr 12 2024 2:31 utc | 193
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1. Well, it nearly did … sob sob .. 1972-1975, when Whitlam intended to oust the Yanks and make homegrown weapons with borrowed Arab petro-dollars of that era. He also befriended China, c.1969, long before even Nixon did.
2. China sees Australia now as a seriously antagonistic partner *and a potential threat* within all anti-China Pacific partnerships. The whole not-French-but-US-sub debacle was the US way to have more of THEIR subs sneaking around unseen by China. To that effect, we ARE quite a threat to China in intel and missile capability. Remember the Bush-Howard doctrine of the time — “Australia is the US’s deputy sherrif in the Pacific”. Faaark. Vomit vomit. Canberra, both parties, nowadays proudly wear their little star.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 12 2024 3:08 utc | 195

“Councillor asks to use Ukraine cash for dog mess”
Dog shit or Ukrainians, tough choice there for a Brit.
Posted by: billb | Apr 12 2024 1:29 utc | 187
Presumably the money would be used to get rid of the dog shit, or to keep the Ukrainian Nazis around (alive). I vote for keeping the streets clean.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 12 2024 3:09 utc | 196

People tend to forget that RF is thinking 2, 5, 10, 20 years down the track about what they want to do with “their new” Ukraine. I often ponder the reconstruction phase of the 4-8 oblasts that RF will one day own. What they are destroying now, in both Ukraine’s east and west must be part of some future vision, and far less to do with retaliation revenge. Iow, it’s big picture bombing, not just petty payback.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 11 2024 23:50 utc | 171
Exactly. This is my own view, except that Russia is going to end up with 24 new oblasts, one way or another. If it doesn’t simply annex them into the RF, they will be in a new state wholly owned and operated by Russia, and the Russians will have the responsibility of recovery from being a corrupt Nazi shithole. I don’t doubt they can do it, either, and it seems to me the obvious path to defeating the west’s long-term plans to use some kind of resistance or terrorism to ‘bleed Russia’ far into the future. I think that, whether as part of the RF or as a satellite country, the new ukraine will enjoy a golden age by comparison with it’s post-maidan condition, or even it’s entire post-independence condition. Assuming, of course, that the weather forecast is not for mushroom clouds with a 99% chance of fallout.
Now if only Putin and his crew would rescue my shithole country from the fascists and rebuild it…

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 12 2024 3:24 utc | 197

@james 59
well that´s perfect…
thx!

Posted by: AG | Apr 12 2024 3:25 utc | 198

Fronting up to Russia is beyond Europe’s capabilities. Any shooting will be a naval and air war over the sea. US hasn’t had to supply ammo for that sort of war either to Ukraine or Israel. Israel only requires dumb bombs which aren’t much US in the sort of war that will occur here.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2024 21:05 utc | 141
Are you suggesting that Australia will resort to attacking Chinese shipping? I think I mentioned that high-seas piracy was the only western option, but again, the real victims of such a move would not be China, but Europe and American consumers. The US is years, probably decades, away from being able fill the gap in consumer goods that a war with China would entail, regardless of where it takes place.
People forget that China is a fundamentally socialist economy, with the banking sector and core industries controlled by the state/Party. If China is cut off from European and American markets, they’ll redirect production for the benefit of the Chinese people, or they’ll simply have more paid time off. The Chinese do not need to realize profit through the medium of exchange- domestically, they can build for use. With energy and raw materials available from Russia, there’s simply no way to blockade China effectively.
I don’t think the US wants a war with China, because it can win, but it can lose a lot. What it wants is to isolate the New World from the Old World, and to control the New World more directly than it does now. And, it wants to control the pace and particulars of that isolation to optimize its own re-industrialization. A shooting war will not allow any fine tuning. A cold war, yes. A hot war, no.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 12 2024 3:38 utc | 199

Melaleuca | Apr 12 2024 2:30 utc | 192
At the time of MH17, I started looking a bit further than the bullshit in the media and run onto ‘The Conversation’. Supposedly a university media website. I quickly graduated from the with a masters degree in understanding it and universities were pure five-eyes bullshit.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 3:42 utc | 200