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April 21, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-117
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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@ sean the leprechaun | Apr 22 2024 0:51 utc | 95 Posted by: james | Apr 22 2024 1:13 utc | 101 ditto honzos comment – this is essentially a usa war against europe.. europe oligarchs have their head so far up their own ass, they don’t seem to care either.. i would include usa war on russia as well though… usa is a state in decline and the fallout is happening as we speak… Posted by: james | Apr 22 2024 1:16 utc | 102 “The real question is: Why now? [more aid]” Posted by: Jmaas | Apr 22 2024 1:20 utc | 103 On Ugledar: it always seemed to be a very tough nut for the RF to crack. I recall a failed attempt over a year ago, though my date could be off. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 22 2024 1:26 utc | 104 Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2024 0:50 utc | 94 Posted by: Jmaas | Apr 22 2024 1:28 utc | 105 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 21 2024 21:30 utc | 70 Posted by: ed2 | Apr 22 2024 1:28 utc | 106 @ HERMIUS | Apr 22 2024 0:59 utc | 99 with the response, thanks. Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2024 1:29 utc | 107 Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 21 2024 17:25 utc | 21 Posted by: ed2 | Apr 22 2024 1:35 utc | 108 … but this supposes that Ukraine will still have an army by then, which their current strategy is making less and less likely. looks like another Black Sea ship got hit. Putin may have no one else to take over as Commander. Posted by: Surferket | Apr 22 2024 2:09 utc | 110 Posted by: Surferket | Apr 22 2024 2:09 utc | 110 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2024 2:19 utc | 111 Just to remind fellow barflies…… Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2024 2:28 utc | 112 Its ok. Russia don’t need a Black Sea fleet since Odessa will not return. Posted by: Surferket | Apr 22 2024 2:44 utc | 113 “Assuming that the pensions are actually getting paid now…” Posted by: Fred777 | Apr 22 2024 2:52 utc | 114 Posted by: vargas | Apr 21 2024 20:30 utc | 58 Posted by: Boo | Apr 22 2024 2:52 utc | 115 psychohistorian | Apr 22 2024 2:28 utc | 112 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 22 2024 2:53 utc | 116 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 22 2024 1:26 utc | 104 Posted by: Boo | Apr 22 2024 2:59 utc | 117 Posted by: ed2 | Apr 22 2024 1:35 utc | 108
https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/Wienis Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 22 2024 3:01 utc | 118 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 20:48 utc | 67 Posted by: Paranaense | Apr 22 2024 3:15 utc | 119 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 22 2024 1:26 utc | 104 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 22 2024 3:24 utc | 120 @ Babel-17 | Apr 22 2024 3:01 utc | 118 with the psychohistorian and Asimov connection/background…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2024 4:48 utc | 121 Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2024 4:48 utc | 121 Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 22 2024 5:37 utc | 122 The old boat… at the moment Surferket is just posting a bit of normal British tabloid propaganda. I will wait to see if anymore comes of but doubtful. I see the Ukies that cant shoot down SU-25’s freely flying over Chasov Yar shot down a Russian strategic bomber 700k inside Russia. Reported as fact by all western propaganda media. Ukraine says… Ukraine says… even the ghost of Kiev was reported as fact in western media. Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 22 2024 5:44 utc | 123 I don’t see it on RT now, Sputnik has a brief article, some Ukrainian reports, and one from EU; not much info, not much excitement. Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 22 2024 6:05 utc | 124 The Problem of Fat Fingers and Poor Eyesight on a Phone. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 22 2024 6:09 utc | 125 Ah, here it is on Al Jazeera:
Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 22 2024 6:10 utc | 126
Posted by: Down South | Apr 22 2024 6:11 utc | 127 @ Jake Blanchard | Apr 22 2024 1:26 utc | 104 Posted by: james | Apr 22 2024 6:19 utc | 128 Posted by: Jmaas | Apr 22 2024 1:28 utc | 105 Posted by: General Factotum | Apr 22 2024 6:24 utc | 129 Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 21 2024 17:25 utc | 21 Posted by: jopalolive | Apr 22 2024 6:47 utc | 130 Good ***speculation*** on your part jake.. thanks.. that could very well be true.. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 22 2024 7:00 utc | 131 Also, the link to simplicius you provide does not mention anything of this kind either. Stop playing your silly games Posted by: vargas | Apr 22 2024 7:16 utc | 132 Larry Johnson via Dima (Military Summary) posts France has openly moved 2000 troops into Odessa. Posted by: Dingleberry | Apr 22 2024 7:16 utc | 133 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 22 2024 7:00 utc | 131 Posted by: jopalolive | Apr 22 2024 7:17 utc | 134 On the subject of the US continually funding Ukraine for its proxy part in bringing down Russia, I take great pleasure in reminding people every few months of the Lindsay Graham “cat out of the bag” statement he made 2 years ago … (slightly paraphrased … IIRC) Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 22 2024 7:33 utc | 135
Posted by: Down South | Apr 22 2024 7:48 utc | 136
https://twitter.com/distant_earth83/status/1782315440485593253 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2024 7:50 utc | 137 So onwards it goes, till it doesn’t. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Apr 22 2024 7:51 utc | 138 Posted by: TJandTheBear | Apr 22 2024 7:51 utc | 138 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2024 7:55 utc | 139 Watch and listen Posted by: AI | Apr 22 2024 7:55 utc | 140 This is a common tactic which makes it *APPEAR* RF is not “taking villages” or is weak against the AFU. Posted by: rk | Apr 22 2024 8:10 utc | 141 Tarkovsky would know better how to treat the impressions this conflict produces.
https://t.me/vysokygovorit/15514
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 22 2024 8:22 utc | 142
https://t.me/rezident_ua/22540 Posted by: Down South | Apr 22 2024 8:40 utc | 143 slightly off-topic, but tied to the ukraine situation, from our favourite mario draghi:
see them take no accountability. Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 22 2024 8:44 utc | 144 Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 22 2024 8:44 utc | 144 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2024 9:01 utc | 145 The long delayed attacks on power generation only limit energy exports Posted by: TJandTheBear | Apr 22 2024 9:09 utc | 146 The background to the US decision to supply weapons to Kiev Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 9:16 utc | 147 Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 9:16 utc | 147 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 22 2024 9:27 utc | 148 Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 9:16 utc | 147 Posted by: vargas | Apr 22 2024 9:29 utc | 149 >But there is another solution: US laws supporting Ukraine now also allow >the confiscation of Russian assets in the US and their transfer to Kiev. Posted by: vargas | Apr 22 2024 9:34 utc | 150 THE feature… yes, as opposed to ‘a feature’… true.. Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 9:37 utc | 151 Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 9:16 utc | 147 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2024 9:40 utc | 152 Excuse my ignorance but why, if so little of $61B is actually going to Ukraine, is the little Green Manboy so chuffed at getting his latest handout? He seemed to indicate “it will help Ukraine win the war”. Lol. Or was that just a hollow statement for his dumb people. Nothing makes sense about the funding of this fkn war. Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 9:43 utc | 153 Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 21 2024 22:19 utc | 77 Very good post. How surprising that US is forcing Eurovassals to guaranteeing Ukraine’s loans, confiscating Russian assets and eat the hit of lost influence and confidence in the as an investable market. Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 9:50 utc | 155 Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 9:50 utc | 155 Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 22 2024 10:02 utc | 156 Dima: Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2024 10:06 utc | 157 Longer text via link but fails to post here.
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 22 2024 10:11 utc | 158 Willy’s latest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBOXezVd-ak (map discussed last few minutes) Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 22 2024 10:17 utc | 159 It will take a generation for Europe to rejuvenate itself, replace the most idiotic leaders in history with sound ones, and gain independence. The problem is Europe doesn’t even have a generation due to multitude of depopulation policies. Thus is the fait of suckers. Posted by: vargas | Apr 22 2024 10:18 utc | 160 I think we are the witness how fragile the whole structure of the (western) civilization is. As Freud stated: “The civilization and culture are enforced concepts”. As Fromm said “There are two kinds of freedom ‘freedom from’ and ‘freedom for’.” The West is so limited to the first one. Posted by: vargas | Apr 22 2024 10:22 utc | 161 indocrinate the children in public schools from a young age and up, disgusting. but its another eu value. Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 10:24 utc | 162 “Well, watch the price of gold and you’ll see that some people think this way. Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 9:16 utc | 147 Posted by: canuck | Apr 22 2024 10:32 utc | 162 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2024 10:43 utc | 165 Dima’s latest: Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 22 2024 11:03 utc | 166 Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 10:24 utc | 161 Posted by: vargas | Apr 22 2024 11:07 utc | 167 Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 9:16 utc | 147 Posted by: AI | Apr 22 2024 11:11 utc | 168 We shall see what we shall see, but currently the pace of Russian advances is accelerating, which is strong supporting evidence for the thesis that the Ukrainian military is approaching a tipping point that can easily lead to massive retreats, surrenders or even the complete collapse of the front line. Posted by: smuks | Apr 22 2024 11:13 utc | 169 On the anti-Nazi front, (re)watched two great WW2 movies yesterday. Similar topics, daylight precision bombing by 8th AF (probably overplayed by the Air Force as having an impact on the war, but still an incredible story of courage and planning and leadership, both at operational and even STAFF levels). Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 22 2024 11:17 utc | 170 “Fiat money is based on debt, a lot of debt is bound to be wiped out in the west. This means, a lot of Fiat money will simply disappear, wiped out. Bad news for the general western population. Gold, instead, will not get wiped out, it will remain as true global sound money, shifting shape and form riding the wave on top of global power structure shifts.” Posted by: ossi | Apr 22 2024 10:24 utc | 161 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 22 2024 11:23 utc | 172 Posted by: wagelaborer | Apr 21 2024 19:26 utc | 44 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 22 2024 11:32 utc | 173 In the realm of the first ‘real ‘ detente , long ago … twas called ‘THE KK THAW … KHRUSHCHEV , KENNEDY talk / listen / answer / try not to lie / think / reason / negotiate …. A ? Thaw , not war . Now within this wonderful relief and it’s creative , yeast . In the Soviet New Spring , in this Agar culture … a most wonderful work of art / film was produced ! Ivan’s Childhood . Masterpiece … watch it and think NOW ! However in metaphor ! The USA , at this culture war thaw , produced the old happy Frank Sinatra going all serious in The Manchurian Candidate, and then A DEAD KENNEDY . Posted by: Paleologos | Apr 22 2024 11:39 utc | 174 This mornings comical ZH headline “Ukraine Gets Their Billions Despite CIA Director Reportedly Warning Zelenksy To Stop Stealing So Much Money” Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Apr 22 2024 11:45 utc | 175
there was also a mention in germany this morning that its appereantly going to be about 1000 or said missiles, but this could also just be the usual welt propaganda. Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 22 2024 11:52 utc | 176 Major General Bakshi’s interview on Ukraine war a few days ago. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2024 12:54 utc | 178 Posted by: vargas | Apr 22 2024 7:16 utc | 132 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 22 2024 12:55 utc | 179 Greg Galloway @ 172
I understand where you’re coming from, but there is a need for those that for the last ~7000/ys have stolen the surplus value. Government is how they steal it with no risk to themselves. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 22 2024 12:57 utc | 180 jpc @ 177
Unless a bulwark is being built, at the moment and for a fair bit they’d be pointless in Odessa. I think it’s some bullcrap from the Macron govt. to pretend to the French people that thier troops won’t be in harm’s way. I also think the current blather about sending troops is a way to cover up the slew of bodies coming back, the French troops have always been there, illegally and unannounced to the French people. The Russians started killing them by the score hence the “retroactive” sending of French troops. All they have to do is move forward the date of death and no more illegality. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 22 2024 13:07 utc | 181 On the long terms this legal “aid package” is USA death certificate. Seizing PRIVATE assets is the economic nuke. Posted by: Savonarole | Apr 22 2024 13:10 utc | 182 @ jpc | Apr 22 2024 12:53 utc | 177 Posted by: boneless | Apr 22 2024 13:15 utc | 183 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 22 2024 6:09 utc | 125 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2024 13:34 utc | 184 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2024 13:34 utc | 184 Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 22 2024 14:10 utc | 185 Savonarole @ 182
Don’t you think they know that? It’s the whole point and part of the hybrid war, the USA’s hybrid war which may be different than their allies’ idea of a hybrid war. The USA is working towards an economic scorched earth against not just Russia and China but against Europe, Asia-Pacific, Middle East, friends and foes alike. When the smoke clears in 20ys they plan to be where they were in 1945, the only unscathed surplus capital country left (or at least in better condition than everyone else) and everyone will be forced to come running to them on their terms, and the terms will be that you isolate Russia and China and anyone else we tell you to. New cold war, new iron curtain. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 22 2024 14:21 utc | 186 ANY MORE NEWS ON THIS LINK? Update: Reports of US troops from the 101st Airborne Division and French troops are now openly operating in Odessa. They crossed over from Romania. Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Apr 22 2024 14:23 utc | 187
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 22 2024 14:27 utc | 188 Europe could be preparing for a world war. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 22 2024 14:34 utc | 189 Don’t you think they know that? It’s the whole point and part of the hybrid war, the USA’s hybrid war which may be different than their allies’ idea of a hybrid war. The USA is working towards an economic scorched earth against not just Russia and China but against Europe, Asia-Pacific, Middle East, friends and foes alike. When the smoke clears in 20ys they plan to be where they were in 1945, the only unscathed surplus capital country left (or at least in better condition than everyone else) and everyone will be forced to come running to them on their terms, and the terms will be that you isolate Russia and China and anyone else we tell you to. New cold war, new iron curtain. Posted by: vargas | Apr 22 2024 14:38 utc | 190 james @ 101 Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 22 2024 14:39 utc | 191 The (US) authorities have given the nod to the theft of Russian assets. There has also been talk of stealing the Afghans gold held in New York and supposedly distributing the wealth from it to 9/11 survivors and their families. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 22 2024 14:39 utc | 192 unimperator | Apr 21 2024 22:31 utc | 79
New York ! That always make me laugh ! I cuddle the hope that there is a place called Shithole too ! In Galicia, obviously. Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 22 2024 14:48 utc | 193 Posted by: vargas | Apr 22 2024 7:16 utc | 132 Posted by: Boo | Apr 22 2024 15:00 utc | 194 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 22 2024 14:34 utc | 189 Posted by: vargas | Apr 22 2024 15:03 utc | 195 Honzo | Apr 22 2024 14:56 utc | 154
Rem acu tetigisti ! ( Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 22 2024 15:15 utc | 196 vargas @ 195
Yes, my little lad. Everyone fighting for multilateralism understands that, that’s why they are going slow. The hybrid war space is as filled with mines and drones as the actual battle ground in Ukraine. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 22 2024 15:16 utc | 197 Aaaarrgh, arr me hearties ! Cocked up me brackets ! Tis the rum, ‘onest ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 22 2024 15:17 utc | 198 Geraint ap Iorwerth @ 187
You referenced it and w/o a link, you tell us? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 22 2024 15:33 utc | 199 Sarlat La Canède @ 198
Drunk in a bar? Unthinkable. Have another! Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 22 2024 15:36 utc | 200 |
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