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April 21, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-117
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Good analysis by Lt Col Danny Davis – Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Apr 21 2024 15:19 utc | 1 On the $60 billion aid package to Ukraine Posted by: Old Sovietologist | Apr 21 2024 15:21 utc | 2 who is surprised most of the aid goes to the military industrial complex, primarily in the usa? this is not a bug but a feature! Posted by: james | Apr 21 2024 15:23 utc | 3 Ukraine $60.0 billion [wsj] Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 21 2024 15:59 utc | 4 We all know how bombastic Medvedev can be and is, however, this last round I sense he is reaching a point of impatience with Putin cabinet handling of the war. Guessing other more hardliners are as well. Not seeing Putin being able to hold them on leash indefinitely. Think that’s why none of May 21st ( end if Zelensky “term” ) was thrown out there. Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 21 2024 16:10 utc | 5 James – “this is not a bug but a feature!” Posted by: Caliman | Apr 21 2024 16:21 utc | 6 The weapons will be shipped from the Americas to kill Europeans aboard the RMS Lusitania. Posted by: Hot Carl | Apr 21 2024 16:23 utc | 7 Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 21 2024 16:10 utc | 5 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Apr 21 2024 16:30 utc | 8 Russia’s Badminton. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Apr 21 2024 16:30 utc | 9 Scott Ritter with Nima (Dialogue Works). Posted by: unimperator | Apr 21 2024 16:34 utc | 10 Orbon Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 16:55 utc | 11 Trubind1 | Apr 21 2024 16:10 utc | 5 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 17:00 utc | 12 james | Apr 21 2024 15:23 utc | 3 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 17:09 utc | 13 Trubind1 | Apr 21 2024 16:10 utc | 5–
Here’s what he wrote on his Telegram yesterday:
Putin has said similar things, just not as graphicly. Putin vowed to end the Empire’s hegemony on several occasions. Putin is more circumspect as befits his position. Well, these fucking idiots are sending our money to Ukraine again, the war continues until the last ukrainian. Don’t you think that ukrainians are following the paraguayan scenario? These stupid ukrainians still don’t realize this. Posted by: Psycho | Apr 21 2024 17:12 utc | 15 Viktor Orban: “Today in Brussels, the majority are the parties of war” Posted by: PutinsMOAfluffers | Apr 21 2024 17:16 utc | 16 Hey, Hey, We’re The Nazis! Posted by: FakeBelieve | Apr 21 2024 17:19 utc | 17 Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 21 2024 17:10 utc | 14
Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 21 2024 17:21 utc | 18 Scott Ritter on X: Posted by: spudski | Apr 21 2024 17:23 utc | 19 Posted by: PutinsMOAfluffers | Apr 21 2024 17:16 utc | 16 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2024 17:24 utc | 20 In response about the US funding to Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 21 2024 17:25 utc | 21 Ok Orban, now do Moscow. Posted by: Passerby | Apr 21 2024 17:36 utc | 22 @ Caliman | Apr 21 2024 16:21 utc | 6 Posted by: james | Apr 21 2024 17:36 utc | 23
https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1781937938323910801 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 17:40 utc | 24 Viktor Orban: “Today in Brussels, the majority are the parties of war. There is a warlike mood in Europe, and politics is governed by the logic of war. Everyone, from all sides, is preparing for war. Posted by: Pierrot | Apr 21 2024 17:45 utc | 25 lol… to go with my last post.. Posted by: james | Apr 21 2024 17:46 utc | 26 3 hrs ago Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 21 2024 17:47 utc | 27 Pierrot | Apr 21 2024 17:45 utc | 25 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 17:56 utc | 28 Senator Rand Paul asked for there to be auditing of the aid sent to Ukraine but he got brushed off. I suspect that the Kiev regime has endless contracts with vendors who are connected, and a lot of the aid will end up going to them. And of course government salaries must be paid, as well as pensions, or there would be an uprising. Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 21 2024 17:56 utc | 29 The futility of throwing another $60+ on the fire will, in retrospect, be shown to be a beautiful thing. Posted by: too scents | Apr 21 2024 17:56 utc | 30 AFU will get billion$ and billion$ more to continue bleeding russia…money well spent!!! Posted by: Jailin Assange | Apr 21 2024 18:00 utc | 31 Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 21 2024 17:10 utc | 14
And that is precisely what the Hollywood like politics and politicians in the USA do not understand, how can anybody pretend to be the indispensable city on a hill when your doddering leader goes around the world calling son of a bitch whomever he objects to at a given time, be it an industrial worker in the USA, the prosecutor that investigates the dirty business of his offspring, or the president of a country that can wipe the whole world away. Strange times indeed, with all the ingredients for a tragic ending. Posted by: Paco | Apr 21 2024 18:03 utc | 32 Country 404 will become the new Greater Israel the way this is going. It’s clear by now that comedian and charlatan Zelensky does not give a toss whether Ukranians live or die. Posted by: AI | Apr 21 2024 18:07 utc | 33 The Future of Ukraine: American, Ukrainian and Russian Perspectives. Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 21 2024 18:18 utc | 34 AFU will get billion$ and billion$ more to continue bleeding russia…money well spent!!! Posted by: TJandTheBear | Apr 21 2024 18:19 utc | 35 Here’s today’s Russian Defence Ministry report: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12509909@egNews
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 21 2024 18:22 utc | 36 Ukraine Weekly Update, 19th April 2024: May be Useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-438 Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Apr 21 2024 18:27 utc | 37
Posted by: Jailin Assange | Apr 21 2024 18:00 utc | 31 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 21 2024 18:30 utc | 38
https://twitter.com/SlavFreeSpirit/status/1782099245794738607 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 21 2024 18:34 utc | 39 I expect a further attack on the crimea bridge will render kiev a terrorist state by moscow. Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 21 2024 18:48 utc | 40 In thinking about this, how bigger part US will play in the coming European war, I am not sure. Seems like part of a US strategy to tie Russia down in a European war while the US launches its war with China. Passing this package may be aimed at ensuring that European Russian war kicks off more than anything else. It appears the majority of the Ukraine portion is going straight to the US MIC. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 18:56 utc | 41 HERMIUS | Apr 21 2024 18:48 utc | 40 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 18:59 utc | 42 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 21 2024 15:59 utc | 4 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 21 2024 19:19 utc | 43 I’m wondering if Shadowbanned was actually Russell Bonner Bentley. Posted by: wagelaborer | Apr 21 2024 19:26 utc | 44 „In thinking about this, how bigger part US will play in the coming European war, …“ Posted by: NoName | Apr 21 2024 19:29 utc | 45 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 17:40 utc | 24 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 21 2024 19:29 utc | 46 The NATO Secretary General wants to create a NATO-Ukraine mission. Europe’s leaders are already involved in the war. Posted by: Marvin | Apr 21 2024 19:32 utc | 47 America has decided to continue fighting until all Ukrainians are dead. Posted by: Marvin | Apr 21 2024 19:37 utc | 48 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 16:55 utc | 11 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Apr 21 2024 19:39 utc | 49 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 21 2024 19:29 utc | 46 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 21 2024 19:43 utc | 50
wont happen. unless russia walzes into brussels, london and washington, those genocidal maniacs will run around free. maybe some patiotic civilian in their respective countries will take care of them in a personal matter, but i dont see any official hanging, wheter figurately or literal, happen. Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 21 2024 19:56 utc | 51 Slava Russell Bentley Posted by: Lauren Michele | Apr 21 2024 19:58 utc | 52 Slava Russell Bentley Posted by: Lauren Michele | Apr 21 2024 19:58 utc | 53 There was a rumor that Israel supplied a low yield nuclear weapon to blow up a certain building (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) leaving behind cancer rates and bits of fallout – that were gathered up and sent to landfills. Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 21 2024 20:01 utc | 54 Earlier tonight, Ukrainian drones successfully hit the Russian Novo Bryanskaya 750kv substation in Vygonichi, Bryansk Oblast. The substation is currently ablaze. Posted by: vargas | Apr 21 2024 20:16 utc | 55 RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 21 2024 17:10 utc | 14 Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 21 2024 20:17 utc | 56 Posted by: vargas | Apr 21 2024 20:16 utc | 55 Posted by: Boo | Apr 21 2024 20:26 utc | 57 Simplicitus, the thinker Posted by: vargas | Apr 21 2024 20:30 utc | 58 “President Joe Biden says at the White House that insurrectionists would need a lot more than guns to take on the US government because it is equipped with a nuclear arsenal and war planes.” Posted by: TJandTheBear | Apr 21 2024 20:32 utc | 59
Seems extremely unlikely. ‘Texas’ had a lovely wife and a busy life as a volunteer. I can’t imagine Lyudmila allowing him to waste time as a full time internet troll. That is more the occupation of incels. Posted by: Drifter | Apr 21 2024 20:32 utc | 60 The consequences of Putin’s inferiority complex are terrible. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2024 20:33 utc | 61 Posted by: vargas | Apr 21 2024 20:16 utc | 55 Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 21 2024 20:36 utc | 62 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 16:55 utc | 11 Posted by: jopalolive | Apr 21 2024 20:38 utc | 63 Joe sleep walking into war Posted by: jopalolive | Apr 21 2024 20:40 utc | 64 @ james, §3: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 21 2024 20:43 utc | 65 Don’t you think that ukrainians are following the paraguayan scenario? These stupid ukrainians still don’t realize this. Posted by: jopalolive | Apr 21 2024 20:46 utc | 66 jopalolive | Apr 21 2024 20:38 utc | 63 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 20:48 utc | 67 lex talionis | Apr 21 2024 17:21 utc | 18–
And from his X:
Trubind1 | Apr 21 2024 20:17 utc | 56– @ John Marks | Apr 21 2024 20:43 utc | 65 Posted by: james | Apr 21 2024 21:17 utc | 69 Ukie still hemorrhaging over 1k per day losses…..but attacked eight times in just one place…there were others….bit of a head scratcher… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 21 2024 21:30 utc | 70 Oliver Krug | Apr 21 2024 19:39 utc | 49 Posted by: smuks | Apr 21 2024 21:39 utc | 71 Some interesting things going on the battlefield, while we all debate missing F35’s with nukes and where the $61B will really end up (hint – 10% for the big guy; the rest to the MIC.) Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 21 2024 21:54 utc | 72 @ sean the leprechaun | Apr 21 2024 21:30 utc | 70 Posted by: james | Apr 21 2024 21:59 utc | 73 Dima says Berdychi and Semenivka have fallen. Now Russia has a 6km long foothold on the AFU side of the river, direct access to merely fields beyond and the vast, undefensible operational space. Also Novobakhmutovka is about to be liberated, extending this line. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 21 2024 22:06 utc | 74 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 21 2024 21:30 utc | 70 Posted by: watcher | Apr 21 2024 22:08 utc | 75 The Ukraine “aid” bill is actually quite underwhelming. Posted by: smuks | Apr 21 2024 22:10 utc | 76 Much depends though if US is delayed by its other wars or is destroyed/collapses in the process before it kicks off the war with China. unimperator | Apr 21 2024 22:06 utc | 74 Posted by: smuks | Apr 21 2024 22:20 utc | 78 Posted by: smuks | Apr 21 2024 22:20 utc | 78 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 21 2024 22:31 utc | 79 Scorpion | Apr 21 2024 22:19 utc | 77 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 22:32 utc | 80 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 21 2024 21:54 utc | 72 Posted by: watcher | Apr 21 2024 22:32 utc | 81 But Peter! I sincerely thought that you did it intentionally, the three repeated blocs of Mr. Orban warning! Posted by: LogosApplied | Apr 21 2024 22:39 utc | 82 Orban: “Europe’s leaders are already involved in the war. I talk to them, I hear them. They perceive the war as their own and call it their own war. This is a military whirlwind that can drag Europe into the abyss. Brussels is playing with fire, it is tempting God himself.” So true. Europe’s ‘leaders’ should be careful what they wish for. This reminds me of a scene described in Woodward’s ‘State of Denial’ of a meeting in Bush’s Whitehouse when the ambitious neocons were declaring their enthusiasm for war in the mideast, and Colin Powell remarked that you can tell that these people had never been in a real fight before. Europe without big brother US backing it will get its arse handed to it by Russia in short order. If it goes to all out war, Europe won’t even function as a placeholder for the US, while the US is still unlikely to go to war with China if that means it has to take its eye off of Iran. A China/Russia/Iran alliance is the US’ worst nightmare. Posted by: Mike R | Apr 21 2024 22:39 utc | 83 The frontlines creeping along a bit are only interesting in that it gives a good idea of the attrition of the defending forces. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2024 22:45 utc | 84 I’ve seen separate reports that Russia is wiping out both French & Polish mercs very intensely today. All that new money is of course (besides laundry mat) will be doled out for more payoffs to all the Baltic heads for fresh body supplies. None of these “heads of states” care how many sheep dipped bodies they send in the arena to die. Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 21 2024 22:59 utc | 85 On Ugledar: it always seemed to be a very tough nut for the RF to crack. I recall a failed attempt over a year ago, though my date could be off. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 21 2024 23:03 utc | 86
That’s possibly one reason to have a war. On the other hand, some folks from St. Petersburg 1917 may want to have a word with you. And you are right, it’s a long way until something might break in the still saturated West. Posted by: Konami | Apr 21 2024 23:04 utc | 87 Just a hunch, but it seems after Keramik, Novokalynove and Ocheretyne are gone, the road is wide open to the north, leading to envelopement of New York – Toretsk agglemeration from the east (from the rear). Posted by: smuks | Apr 21 2024 23:33 utc | 88 What happens when US taxpayers stop paying pensions of Ukies to the tune of $1 billion a month? Posted by: Jason | Apr 21 2024 23:34 utc | 89 The great thing about wars is how effectively they prevent revolutions. Posted by: smuks | Apr 21 2024 23:37 utc | 90 Russian advances pose a threat to the sustainability of gains so far. When advancing, more miles should NOT be added to the frontline. More miles mean more troops to guard them and more locations the enemy can penetrate from. Posted by: Jason | Apr 21 2024 23:47 utc | 91 Re Chasov Yar etc – it’s going to be another attritional battleground, like Bakhmut was. It will eventually have operational importance, since it anchors the elevation inside the arc of cities from Slavyansk down. But not anytime soon. Posted by: pxx | Apr 22 2024 0:10 utc | 92 Drinks are free tonight at the bar in memory of the brave donbas leaders who fought the ugly, nazi thugs of the Ukraine army between 2014 and today and paid with their lives from cowardly terrorist attacks… Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 22 2024 0:40 utc | 93 Below is a Reuters posting title that makes me see Z as being quite desperate Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2024 0:50 utc | 94 james@73…NATO in spirit may have been in the Ukraine since 2014 but not as declared NATO combat staff. Grey area but non declared NATO intervention. Mercs, no shortage of them from all over the world….the difference now is, individual EU countries have signed, that’s the legal part, can’t wiggle out of it, see Syria, Security Agreements with the Ukraine. Russia in Syria is no different than an invite by any sovereign nation (stop laughing, Ukraine is still technically sovereign, okay I’m laughing too) but ZMan is still President. That’s my story, based on what the PTB do behind closed doors and based on what appears to be agreed upon non contact protocols. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 22 2024 0:51 utc | 95 watcher@75…..I be waiting for Russia to tidy up 404 first, yapping dogs aside, it’s a long way out at the current bleed attrition rate and that’s happening on both sides, regardless of number disparity. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 22 2024 0:57 utc | 96 Russian advances pose a threat to the sustainability of gains so far. When advancing, more miles should NOT be added to the frontline. More miles mean more troops to guard them and more locations the enemy can penetrate from. Posted by: Honzo | Apr 22 2024 0:57 utc | 97 What happens when US taxpayers stop paying pensions of Ukies to the tune of $1 billion a month? Posted by: Honzo | Apr 22 2024 0:59 utc | 98 Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2024 0:50 utc | 94 Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 22 2024 0:59 utc | 99 Posted by: smuks | Apr 21 2024 22:10 utc | 76 Posted by: Honzo | Apr 22 2024 1:13 utc | 100 |
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