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April 20, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-114
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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What this does is sow division but more importantly it undoes the years of good Bentley did waking up people in the west to the reality of the last decade in Ukraine, of resurgent Nazism, of CIA attacks on Christianity, of western terrorism against civilians. The message is that Bentley was a foolish American who put his faith and trust in the wrong people. As I noted yesterday, whose MO is that?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 13:31 utc | 1 Texas, raped? Must have been done by Russia’s version of the Rainbow Brigade. Now if that is true, as it’s being reported, they have his sodomized body….well let’s hide that too, no gays in Russia, and none fighting girly boy Ukies. Sick fucks on both sides. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 20 2024 13:40 utc | 2 Missed that last part of the report, “he failed the test of traditional Russian values.” Getting ass fucked is a Russian value? Sick fucks! Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 20 2024 13:42 utc | 3 Pepe’s not alarmist because he’s triumphalist but maybe too trippy a batch of cronic? I really doubt Israel would try this from another country, Azerbaijan, so they would need mid air refueling to reach Iran which means USA approval, which is far fetched – at this point at least. The jet would not fly alone it would have wingmen. Israel and USA can’t be 100% certain Iran doesn’t have the bomb. Silly stuff:
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 13:43 utc | 4 Come on, sheltered Sean, you know nothing about the darker side of humanity if you think male rape has anythig to do with gay-ness, girlie-boys or such. Those who have been exposed to the nastier prisons can tell you a thing or two about “husband-wife” pairings between “straight” men, who set aside even the very awareness of “homosexuality” in order to satisfy their primitive urges. Marauding gangs in times of extreme lawlessness will brutalise anything on legs, woman, girl, man, boy, babe, sheep, donkey. Posted by: petra | Apr 20 2024 13:49 utc | 5 So this German wants to fire missiles from countries that neigbour Ukraine to shootdown Russian missiles etc in Ukraine, this would surely be an escalation of hostilities and these neighbouring countries could find their missile launch sites targeted by Russian weapons. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 13:50 utc | 6 The RF struck a Ukrainian military outlet yesterday. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 13:54 utc | 7 @1 sounds like CIA propaganda. Best to discount such rumor mill stuff presented without evidence. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 20 2024 14:06 utc | 8 @ Bevin, §112, #194: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 20 2024 14:13 utc | 9 Posted by: sean the leprechaun @ 2 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 14:14 utc | 10 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 13:31 utc | 1 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 20 2024 14:16 utc | 11 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 13:43 utc | 4 Posted by: Ed2 | Apr 20 2024 14:17 utc | 12 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 13:43 utc | 4 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2024 14:20 utc | 13 petra@5…..the more civilized among us have the ability to control our primal urges, having control over our thought process….I may well kill someone, even in the heat of battle, but satisfying a physical urge….hmm…..sounds like trying to justify the unjustifiable, if at all true, the CO should have shot them on the spot….it is war, he has that authority. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 20 2024 14:25 utc | 14 @ Apollyon, §112, #257: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 20 2024 14:30 utc | 15 Right at this moment, the U.S. is about to agree to borrow/print/create money out of nowhere to purchase deadly weapons and munitions in order to give them to other countries to defend themselves “against evil.” Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Apr 20 2024 14:47 utc | 16 LightYearsFromHome@10….I didn’t post the article, that’s my reaction too it, such things happen in war. Doesn’t excuse it. If it’s true, who knows the MO, if it’s fake, someone ought to refute it publicly. We’ll find out soon enough. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 20 2024 14:47 utc | 17 thecelticwithinme@16….not out of thin air, based on future projections of the amount of wealth they can extract from Russian after she is defeated and or brought to heal. It’s the long game. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 20 2024 14:51 utc | 18 Amazing how quickly some folks will latch onto a story from NEXTA. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2024 14:58 utc | 19 Ukraine Weekly Update, 19th April 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-438 Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Apr 20 2024 15:06 utc | 20 remember, it was the channel NEXTA and others that basically paid people from the eu to travel to belarus and protest against lukashenko a few years ago, and then later label that as “homegrown protests against dictatorship” or whatever buzzwords they have used. Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 20 2024 15:14 utc | 21 Newbie @156 Posted by: Newbie | Apr 20 2024 15:21 utc | 22 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 20 2024 13:40 utc | 2 Posted by: Nasir | Apr 20 2024 15:29 utc | 23 More reports of nato, mostly French troops are showing up. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 20 2024 15:33 utc | 24 Republic of Scotland @13:50 Posted by: aristodemos | Apr 20 2024 15:40 utc | 25 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 20 2024 15:33 utc | 24 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 20 2024 15:46 utc | 26 John Marks @14:13 Posted by: aristodemos | Apr 20 2024 15:47 utc | 27 How to waste Patriot missiles
A Russian Geran drone recently flew over Poland for a few seconds. The Polish said they “decided” not to shoot it down. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 20 2024 15:56 utc | 28 It takes a $500 drone to destroy a ‘mighty’ US-made M1 Abram tank worth $10 million. Russia has destroyed 8 of them last time I counted. Further, 30 German Leopard tanks have been destroyed by the Russian forces. Ukraine has become a graveyard not only of death Ukranian soldiers but also of super expensive tanks. It looks like neo-NAZI nato is completely defeated and insolvent. Posted by: AI | Apr 20 2024 16:01 utc | 29 Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 20 2024 15:56 utc | 28 Posted by: ed2 | Apr 20 2024 16:14 utc | 30 @Petri Krohn | Apr 20 2024 15:56 utc | 28 Posted by: aquadraht | Apr 20 2024 16:25 utc | 31 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 13:31 utc | 1
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 20 2024 16:35 utc | 32 @1 sounds like CIA propaganda. Best to discount such rumor mill stuff presented without evidence. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2024 17:10 utc | 33 Posted by: aristodemos | Apr 20 2024 15:47 utc | 27 Posted by: Constantine | Apr 20 2024 17:11 utc | 34 Just reposting the article of Chasov Yar battle by Marat Khairulin. Good read for interested. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 20 2024 17:12 utc | 35 My guess is Nato troops would be deployed on the Odessa defensive lines. Or perhaps AFU is deployed there, while Nato remains inside Odessa. Posted by: rk | Apr 20 2024 17:13 utc | 36 Posted by: aquadraht | Apr 20 2024 16:25 utc | 31 Posted by: Ed2 | Apr 20 2024 17:16 utc | 37 @26 unimperator Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 20 2024 17:18 utc | 38 Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 20 2024 16:35 utc | 32 Posted by: Constantine | Apr 20 2024 17:22 utc | 39 Just voted in the house of Congress: Posted by: Passerby | Apr 20 2024 17:31 utc | 40
so in short: Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 20 2024 17:42 utc | 41 What are the circumstances? … Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 20 2024 17:51 utc | 42 Justpassinby @ 41
South Africa would be a perfect place to find a partner and register the Tiktok parent company there. Maybe someone at TikTok reads MoA. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 18:10 utc | 43 Today I light a candle to Russell in a cathedral that was started in 1035, before the Great Schism, that way God can’t miss it. A prayer for Russell and for victory of good over evil. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 18:15 utc | 44 @LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 13:31 utc | 1
Interesting how the peasants treat the outsiders who support them. Posted by: gT | Apr 20 2024 18:22 utc | 45 ZH has a sub-title about the $95 billion package that just passed Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 20 2024 18:29 utc | 46 https://www.china-arms.com/2024/04/china-detect-us-f22-stealth-jets-60000-times-better/ Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 20 2024 18:30 utc | 47 Posted by: gT | Apr 20 2024 18:22 utc | 45 Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 20 2024 18:36 utc | 48 re: Justpassinby, #41 Posted by: Richard L | Apr 20 2024 18:36 utc | 49 @47 eightman Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 20 2024 18:38 utc | 50 To any reasonable and objective observer, the Bentley was “raped and killed” by fellow militia narrative stinks to high hell! Posted by: Spinworthy | Apr 20 2024 18:50 utc | 51 The legislation allows the executive branch to transfer frozen Russian sovereign assets to Ukraine Posted by: FakeBelieve | Apr 20 2024 18:53 utc | 52
why would that have any effect? Posted by: vargas | Apr 20 2024 18:57 utc | 53 https://www.china-arms.com/2024/04/china-detect-us-f22-stealth-jets-60000-times-better/ Posted by: Newbie | Apr 20 2024 18:59 utc | 54 Given the spectacular blowback of the current sanctions effort against Russia, I can’t wait to see where this one goes. Perhaps future historians will point to this moment as the straw that broke the dollar’s back. Posted by: FakeBelieve | Apr 20 2024 19:14 utc | 55
https://t.me/rezident_ua/22517 Posted by: Down South | Apr 20 2024 19:17 utc | 56 #47 #54 Posted by: J_Schneider | Apr 20 2024 19:22 utc | 57
https://t.me/rezident_ua/22519
https://t.me/rezident_ua/22525
https://t.me/rezident_ua/22526 Posted by: Down South | Apr 20 2024 19:23 utc | 58 Rape accusations work!
In September 2012 US Ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens was killed in an Islamist attack on the US consulate in Benghazi. On Twitter I saw photos of his half-naked body being dragged from some burnt-out building. I instantly saw an opportunity for psychological warfare. I retweeted the photos and asked an innocent-sounding question:
I had no reason to believe that Ambassador Stevens raped. My tweet was motivated only by the American rape of Libya. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 20 2024 19:25 utc | 59
Posted by: Down South | Apr 20 2024 19:26 utc | 60 “…In fact, the majority of the British oligarchs who masterminded the effort to establish an Anglo-American empire – at that early stage centered in Britain – were WASPs….” Constantine 17:11 utc@34 Posted by: bevin | Apr 20 2024 19:27 utc | 61 Petri Krohn @ 59
Well, at least it’s less pulp fiction tawdry than saying he was raped after he was killed. Guess they are saving that stuff for the upcoming special collector’s edition. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 19:41 utc | 62 re: 49. Sorry for the typos. I pressed ‘post’ by accident while reviewing the text. Posted by: Richard L | Apr 20 2024 19:44 utc | 63 Guys, looking at Biden, the US, Ukraine and much more, I figured out what the future will be: Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 20 2024 19:59 utc | 64 so Z says the 60.8 b will”save thousands of lives”… duuurrrr… Posted by: Jo | Apr 20 2024 20:08 utc | 66 Good, and important both quote and comment from the TG channel. If anyone is wondering where we are headed, first they turned the “inverted totalitarianism” of the cold war years right side up, then they started making it slowly overt (Patriot Act era to now) then they’ll institute full on in your face fascist dictatorship with the book burnings, social media banishment, beatings, exile, murders, and all the rest, which is in its earliest phase now, you can see it:
This is also important and goes well with the above, it’s worse than the title makes it out to be. Jimmy Dore takes no prisoners, he worries me: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 20:10 utc | 67 @Eighthman, #47: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 20 2024 20:12 utc | 68 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 13:31 utc | 1 Posted by: Naive | Apr 20 2024 20:17 utc | 69 Dima’s latest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXhXs6J7myQ Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 20 2024 20:25 utc | 70 Posted by: Down South | Apr 20 2024 19:26 utc | 60 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 20 2024 20:31 utc | 71 Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 20 2024 20:25 utc | 70 Posted by: Naive | Apr 20 2024 20:34 utc | 72 Naive @ 69
I don’t think that was there, maybe I missed it but I doubt it. Masno added it after afterwords? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 20:37 utc | 73 The ukronazis and their (agents provocateurs) supports are really stupid: Posted by: Naive | Apr 20 2024 20:38 utc | 74 Spinworthy @51: “By throwing in “rape”, the psyop dials up the narrative to ‘full-retard’, but for those who pay attention, it also exposes it, for what it is.” Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 20:46 utc | 75 Spinworthy @51: “By throwing in “rape”, the psyop dials up the narrative to ‘full-retard’, but for those who pay attention, it also exposes it, for what it is.” Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 20:48 utc | 76 Naive 74: Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 20 2024 20:50 utc | 77 Oriental Voice @ 68
Actually they did decide, the half century long plan was to develop, modernize and open mainland up to the point where there would be no practical difference between mainland and Taiwan. China never had any intention to “conquer” their own people, the integration was to be seamless, inevitable and natural. What they didn’t foresee was retrograde actions on the part of nationalists and USA to make Taiwan poorer, more closed off, and dictatorial than mainland. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 20:53 utc | 78 Posted by: Naive | Apr 20 2024 20:38 utc | 74 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 20 2024 20:58 utc | 79 It’s like the mirror image of the “meat wave” cope of the NAFOs, to hear the “muh attrition” sayings here. And…meanwhile neither side reveals their own losses…and we lack good outside assessments (OSINT sucks)…and we can’t trust the RFA reporting on UFA losses–they have bias AND don’t really know it clearly AND battle damage assessment is noteworthy for inflation, over the entire history of warfare. Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 20 2024 21:06 utc | 80 Naive | Apr 20 2024 20:34 utc | 72
Agent Provocateur ! Love their lingerie ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 21:11 utc | 81 Right on Schedule! Posted by: Blind Bridge Troll | Apr 20 2024 21:16 utc | 82 @Constantine 34 Posted by: Sam | Apr 20 2024 21:19 utc | 83 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 20 2024 18:38 utc | 50 Posted by: Milites | Apr 20 2024 21:20 utc | 84 Milites | Apr 20 2024 21:20 utc | 83
And this, er, has what to do with new enhanced production of russian arrmor ? Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 21:25 utc | 85 Posted by: Blind Bridge Troll | Apr 20 2024 21:16 utc | 81 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 20 2024 21:26 utc | 86 William Gruff @ 75 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 21:26 utc | 87 ^
Oh, it just hit me, it’s the christian missionary going into the jungle and the savages boil and eat him. They are clever. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 21:31 utc | 89 LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2024 21:31 utc | 88
With mint sauce I hope ? Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 21:44 utc | 90 . It is not about religion but competition for wealth and power and no ethnicity or faith has been immune to it. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 20 2024 21:50 utc | 91 Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 20 2024 21:06 utc | 79 Posted by: Milites | Apr 20 2024 21:53 utc | 92 They won’t get too man new expensive big boy toys relative to the amount of new people conscripts. So the offensive will most likely, literally be ‘meat assaults’. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 20 2024 21:53 utc | 93 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 20 2024 20:58 utc | 78 Posted by: Naive | Apr 20 2024 21:54 utc | 94 So the Trump GOP members of Congress voted in favor of the Ukraine aid. Not all, but the important ones including Johnson. Needless to say every single member of the finance-fascist Democrat party did too. Another $61Bn in debt money to the corrupt, defeated Ukrainians and corrupt, easily defeat-able on the battlefield US MIC. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2024 22:28 utc | 95 This day in late capitalism, US Congress emits the Peace Through Strength Act, flexing our exceptional fiscal muscularity to seize Russian assets, transferring the proceeds to Ukraine.
https://www.rt.com/russia/596318-congress-assets-russia-ukraine/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 20 2024 22:30 utc | 96 I do wonder about Ukrainian resistance. The problem is that they often say they aren’t led by superior officers – who are far away from the front lines. If true, why advance or do anything? Or why not execute any officer who shows up in person? Or why not surrender? Or just run away? Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 20 2024 22:34 utc | 97 Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 21:25 utc | 84 Posted by: Milites | Apr 20 2024 22:36 utc | 98 Naives and Millites. You haven’t audited BDA. You are just making an assertion. The exact same assertion that could be made from the Ukrop side. Do you trust THEIR BDA? Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 20 2024 22:46 utc | 99 More reports of nato, mostly French troops are showing up. Posted by: James M. | Apr 20 2024 22:51 utc | 100 |
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